just checked and it works
#h1-builds-and-combat
void zenith
Mhm, totally
cloud barn
honestly it feels weird being the experienced person on a subject
void zenith
Now, thing is, dash is an attack too
cloud barn
I got the game about a month after early access started
void zenith
I think we've just found a way to get more shield dps
void zenith
Merciful end builds, anyone?
cloud barn
also, just something i find comedic, i have every codex tab fully completed, IE full entries and max bond, but i still have 7 undiscovered fish xD
hearty elbow
7? Geez
hushed sun
imgur accepts videos too?
hushed sun
insert the more you learn meme here
cloud barn
just upload, click hidden, click 'copy link'
cloud barn
ye
hushed sun
and the other one is still uploading
cloud barn
it's a different tech i think, i didnt give it a name
i just brought it up then because the conversation reminded me of it
hushed sun
the final sequence seems identical with the traditional dash spin
it being hold-dash-release
and this I assume is the traditional dash spin
unless I'm off by a mile this feels like the hades and theseus' spin attack which I sorta have been doing, nice to know
cloud barn
nice
hushed sun
ohh
cloud barn
new speedrun tech, should prob show that around
void zenith
Tbh, I haven't seen any shield speedruns, maybe they're already doing it
hushed sun
I like to think the design concept of shield being charge and defend doesn't really... roll with speedrun being speed
cloud barn
maybe
hm
can u use zeus aspect special during that
i know it can be used in a ton of places
void zenith
I mean, people do all weapon runs
hushed sun
but that tru tho
hushed sun
i don't think i've seen a lot of shield runs
void zenith
Tbh, I think merciful end build would be insane with that
hushed sun
yeah
void zenith
Doom on attack, proc it on dash
hearty elbow
i don't think i've seen a lot of shield runs
@hushed sun Lol, didn't play much in Blood Price I take it?
hushed sun
gilgamesh, but better™️
Lol, didn't play much in Blood Price I take it?
blame college application
wait am i spelling that right
hearty elbow
Shields. Shields errwhere.
hushed sun
I do hear the shield's been nerfed and it was an absolute bust before
median oar
f10
hushed sun
I like it when they have an additional channel for bug reports so people can actually explain stuff
hearty elbow
People tended to use feedback for that, for better or worse
hearty elbow
I don't go to tech fixes/support much for that, but if those channels aren't for that specifically you can try messaging Caitlin to suggest the channel be added, she's the community manager for SGG.
hushed sun
maybe a weird conjunction of rush-dash strike-special inputs
cloud barn
i got it without special as well
hushed sun
Huh
void zenith
You broke it
cloud barn
it had a bow one time
void zenith
half crater
you can progress your relationship with your shield confirmed
half crater
now, apparently
median oar
I'd romance my shield, I love that thing
half crater
same tbh
spark portal
empty veldt
That literally looks like the standard chiron build lol
void zenith
The perfect chiron build
hushed sun
also why does nobody do deflect build
I had so much fun yesterday
not sure if you can call that a build but anyways
marsh pumice
no charged volley, so no build 
cloud barn
just got it without dash
hushed sun
serrated point and divine attack felt virtually invisible tho
mighty ermine
@cloud barn i'd recommend verifying integrity of files if you're playing through steam
that can potentially fix weird visual bugs
hushed sun
so the more you play around with the weapon the bug happebs more often?
hushed sun
does it happen with no giftable entities around you too
cloud barn
game is lagging a ton
hushed sun
damn typo
cloud barn
probably some stuff getting built up in memory
hushed sun
ding
your pc ran into a problem and needs a restart.
turbid needle
Yo who said something about tempest strike on Lucifer cause rn it's hilarious
hushed sun
Yo who said something about tempest strike on Lucifer cause rn it's hilarious
Super Soaker™️
turbid needle
OH IT'S SOAKIN
hushed sun
hm codex
cloud barn
thinking about it
i think i accidentally hit the codex button for like a frame
hang on
im gonna try to open codex at the same time as the aspect menu
forest locust
Nemesis build?
random light
Aphrodite on Attack, Artemis on Special, get Heart Rend
Clean Kill pretty useful
Most hammers are fine, just don't get World Splitter
it 2slow
forest locust
Thanks I forgot it XD
cloud barn
i don't remember when but i recall having the codex menu pop up for a split second a bit before the bug started happening
forest locust
Idk if i want bow spear or rail next
unkempt zephyr
my build for nemesis its demeter on attack.special artemis and aphro dash. becaus with demeter run alote more safe. and if you can deal build with 3 gods. if not choose aphro on attack and artemis special.
cloud barn
it's stopped completely now
didn't even verify integrity
oop
found it
rapidly clicking through people on the 'others of note' page causes it
imma test other tabs
hushed sun
will test
unkempt zephyr
some thisng like this @forest locust https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/758493969683316796/unknown.png
forest locust
ty
cloud barn
pog
we found a bug gamers
and can recreate iit
didn't stop this time
imma try switching tabs in codex
wait
go to asterius
stops it
he has no bond hearts
oop
nevermind
wait a second
whenever you open codex in courtyard when the 'others of note' tab is open, skelly is always highlighted
even if you had someone else highlighted before
hushed sun
yeah
cloud barn
if you open codex and then close it without doing anything else you stop it
nevermind
i stop spamming too early
hushed sun
if you're close to something codex codex will automatically navigate to that page
hushed sun
aaaaand my laptop is busted, damn
cloud barn
might be coincidence
rip
ok i think i found a consistent way to cancel it
open codex, close codex, open shield aspect menu, swap aspects then swap back, close menu
i start on zeus aspect, swap to default, then back to zeus
if that plays into it
well then, i think we figured out most of it
should we ping one of the supergiant peoples or is there a better way to compile this
cloud barn
imma write up everything over there then
unkempt zephyr
this is normal? is it legal? https://www.dropbox.com/s/1fvm7qrlsciq4ys/Luc artemis.mp4?dl=0
hazy slate
looks plenty legal
cloud barn
that's quite the dps
distant oar
How the heck
cloud barn
triple special daedalus upgrade, artemis special, hermes movespeed and sturdy on dash
unkempt zephyr
i dont even do some think. just use special
in end i show what i have
just insane weapon
cloud barn
yep
unkempt zephyr
i probably record my hades figth with all what have. not only special. jesus what a gun
unkempt pagoda
willow fossil
I thought I was in the story channel
forest locust
what do you combo poseidon for chaoes shield
forest locust
i dont like it much
unkempt zephyr
its was weak combo on video.
solid portal
is it possible to get multiple duo boons in one run?
unkempt zephyr
yup
hazy slate
definitely
hazy slate
nice
unkempt zephyr
even 5 posible
but you need for this chaos boon for Rare
main idea for this was laser on lucifer. but its ...just madness.
thorny basin
the chop on the stygian is kinda fun
median oar
really? I hate that chop something fierce
smoky atlas
wonky hitbox but pretty strong
empty veldt
Chop doesnt affect dash attacks which are main damage source for stygius so kind of a waste of a hammer upgrade, as well as its longer animation and tighter hitbox makes it riskier to use as well imo
jade rover
Does|| Mom's Keepsake ||work with Sweet Nectar?
unkempt zephyr
Does|| Mom's Keepsake ||work with Sweet Nectar?
@jade rover yup
jade rover
😮
unkempt zephyr
i checked it yesterday. on stream with vorime and wriste
prime crown
I'm doing a run to try to finish off my duo boon list, and I need to know if this Zeus/Ares revenge boon has a useful or less crazy purpose
unkempt zephyr
I'm doing a run to try to finish off my duo boon list, and I need to know if this Zeus/Ares revenge boon has a useful or less crazy purpose
@prime crown its have insane scaling
toxic wolf
how does DPS from Hangover on attack stack up against more straightforward damage ups
smoky atlas
redacted fight should be spoiler tagged no?
unkempt zephyr
its was 4.4k from 4 cast
tepid ridge
Not officially a spoiler in this channel
thorny basin
god i hate the elysium room that just spams the exloding chariots at you. i just lost both my defiances and my life and there wasnt anything i could do
tepid ridge
Those rooms take a while. It’s the giant chariots with the screwy hitboxes that I have always hated
jade rover
@unkempt zephyr it doesn't work!
tepid ridge
The big ones just materialize their damage field even when they are sitting still
unkempt zephyr
@unkempt zephyr it doesn't work!
@jade rover its work.
thorny basin
i dont mind the large chariots they tanky sure but you can dodge them easilly. the tiny ones and when there is a billion of them its a monkaS
toxic wolf
I can get smol chariots to blow themselves up pretty often by dashing through them
tepid ridge
Yes, small ones will blow themselves up if you run them into walls or throw a base cast at them
jade rover
Sweet nectar doesn't double the bonus @unkempt zephyr
tepid ridge
IE dash through pillars
unkempt zephyr
Sweet nectar doesn't double the bonus @unkempt zephyr
@jade rover im already delete this video. yesterday its work.
tepid ridge
Big ones can be getting hit and then just decide it’s time for you to take damage if you’re in melee with no telegraph
smoky atlas
it feels like their hitbox is just their body
if you touch them at the right time even while theyre standing still, you get hit
tepid ridge
Same with wringers
Especially with forced overtime
wiggle 50 damage
And big rats
toxic wolf
my only problem with hitboxes in the game personally is aphrodite's trial of the gods homing heart attacks
tepid ridge
And Asterius’ bugged axe slash. And brightswords. Many enemies punish melee for no real reason
Yea that trial keeps you on your toes
Especially in elysium
You get hit and it can suck a defiance without a problem
That’s why you never mess with Aphrodite or Athena in the halls of the blessed
void fjord
athena by far is the easiest
tepid ridge
Did they change it???
void fjord
she only makes enemies invulnerable for a short amount of time
smoky atlas
i want to make a case for ares being the easiest
void fjord
she dosent even hurt u
forest locust
Whats the easiest condition for heat 7
tepid ridge
Ah, I remember flashbacks of immortal regenerating shades
smoky atlas
athena can be annoying in elysium with the respawning enemeies
toxic wolf
I don't mess with demeter, personally
smoky atlas
if she shields them at the right time
tepid ridge
Demeter used to be the worst
void fjord
well kill them fast, ez
toxic wolf
normally she's fine but I've had her take out 3 death defiance once
void fjord
demeter is still bad cause of her AOE
forest locust
Extreme mesure x2 tough??
tepid ridge
The slow was removed iirc though
jade rover
I find demeter super easy. Unless thesius does it.
tepid ridge
That was the problem
void fjord
EM2 isnt tough really
toxic wolf
yeah it's also the only time theseus is ever a threat
void fjord
dio and ares is also pretty bad for theseus imo
tepid ridge
Trap damage is a good way to end a run in Styx
Free heat till it isn’t
One axe and then things are suddenly bleak
void fjord
@forest locust put hard labour 1, FO1, EM2
forest locust
tight deadline 2 a joke tho
tepid ridge
I remember when boiling blood and trap damage made hades pots do 120 dmg each
That was fun
void fjord
its possible, just complete the game under 28 min
smoky atlas
trap dmg still makes hades urn do 150 a pop
tepid ridge
No way
smoky atlas
guess how i found out
tepid ridge
I refuse to believe they left that in lmao
void fjord
they did
tepid ridge
Oh god
void fjord
thats why pots + HS = bad time
prime crown
I wish the trap damage thing was at least worth 2 heat if it was gonna be that way
tepid ridge
Just like they left in the casts/flying witches/rewards getting stuck outside the map
Yea it should be worth more heat
Just for the way it can instantly destroy a run that otherwise was fine
smoky atlas
death defiance triggered "its fine I got this he only has like 1hp left"
dashes into urn and dies
tepid ridge
Yea I had a run like that for a prophesy and popped like 2-3 defiances in as many seconds and was like 
Ancient Greece Explain
prime crown
Same, I went through everything once and the trap one was the one where I was like.. HM. Not fair.
tepid ridge
Just a casual 500 damage
prime crown
I also don't want to know what super mini bosses does to the styx minibosses
void fjord
thats why you always break them
tepid ridge
void fjord
they get affected also
smoky atlas
remember how satisfying it is to watch an axe do 600 dmg to your enemies?
now your enemies, too, can experience that
void fjord
MM affects EM4
cunning urchin
Why break the urns when he breaks them for you?
prime crown
I got lucky when I turned it on, I always do styx normal boss boss normal normal
prime crown
So sometimes I get no boss rooms
void fjord
well lot of the times when he breaks urns, ur next to them
tepid ridge
Privileged status and/or merciful end
void fjord
sooooooooo hence why u break them
cunning urchin
No, you are. I'm not.
prime crown
Sometimes if I have a close range weapon and didn't pick up a dash I want I avoid breaking them
One run I had Arthur and had to really think about how to handle the pots
I'll be better at it eventually, I suppose
tepid ridge
I usually don’t break them either and don’t have a problem with it. But like everything with that cursed pact option, it only takes one
empty veldt
||With EM4, when he's regenning health with urns, is it better to break the urn or just keep wailing on him||
empty veldt
Chaos
void fjord
athena
solid portal
thansk
empty veldt
Athena exposed status
empty veldt
Considering explosive special gets rid of the recall mechanic haha
void fjord
well, just dont use with GY
empty veldt
I dont bother usually
empty veldt
you can always try to get explosive special on spear
tepid ridge
I would also think stacking chill with that recall spam would be useful
Spams that slow=more spams
Assuming you’ve met ||Demeter||
solid portal
is the Artimis call any good?
this is shaping up to be an artimes athena run it looks like
solid portal
yea thgought so
jade rover
It's really not that bad, you just have to use max call
solid portal
right the 10 arrows
jade rover
the single bar is trash.
empty veldt
@cunning urchin about to explain why if the call only viable at max, its bad kekw
cunning urchin
There are no garbage calls lol. But yeah, there are much better ones.
marsh pumice
Artemis call is great what are you talking about 
cunning urchin
Any call is better than no call.
solid portal
well is just absolutely nuked meg
smoky atlas
say, if you have aphro/zeus duo, which call would you pick
solid portal
with the full gbar
empty veldt
zeus and get smoldering air with that combo
cunning urchin
Ideally Dionysus' Aid for Smoldering Air.
empty veldt
@cunning urchin https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gm04kroX-p7lMNSmNcFdKCw4mmff-5i83QsKVwOBNDA/edit#gid=0 does this take into account of the crit from Artemis call in effective damage?
cunning urchin
Yes.
sweet heath
aphrodite has good everything
cunning urchin
Her arrows can backstab for extra damage.
empty veldt
is it the only call that can backstab?
jade rover
The thing is, you don't have to do anything to maximize her damage. Zues and Dio require straddling your opponent.
placid topaz
thats fair
cunning urchin
I think Poseidon's Aid can also backstab.
cunning urchin
Best for what?
marsh pumice
all of them 
cunning urchin
Dionysus' Aid is the best DPS call.
onyx parcel
Damage
Dang I always underrated dio call then it seems
And I should go for lesser call?
hazy slate
aphrodite if you want charm or big damage chunk for boss fights
marsh pumice
Instant call best call
cunning urchin
Yeah, always Lesser Call for Dionysus' Aid.
onyx parcel
But aphro call deals less damage overall than dio. No?
empty veldt
I like poseidon, even tho it deals less damage than dio, invul duration always nice
hazy slate
i don't know actually
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Aid can potentially deal more damage, but you're not doing damage with your Attacks or whatever at the same time.
sweet heath
wow so dio call with hangover rate and/or extra stacks is really good
cunning urchin
It's already really good without any of that.
sweet heath
reeeaallly
hazy slate
yeah
cunning urchin
I think the Charm does 1 damage, not sure actually.
void fjord
athena call is good also, since well ur invulner able for around 2 sec
void fjord
well its highly neglible
onyx parcel
That sucks
void fjord
only on max does it do dmg
prime crown
Yeah, no damage on Aphro unless maxed
void fjord
its still a good call
solid portal
wow not sure if bugged but Artemis call just took out 2 bosses (medusa and thing that falls) in one shot with one bar. Neither had armor left but a decent amount of heath
sweet heath
the charm lasts quite awhile too
smoky atlas
Smoldering air aphro is still pretty nice
void fjord
and it was broken with smouldering air on|| hades ||pre 1.0
smoky atlas
Basically a paralyze
cunning urchin
With Smoldering Air and enough poms on it, you can just Charm Hades infinitely.
void fjord
well on bosses it lasts like half a second
sweet heath
yea I locked hades the other day with unhealthy fixation + smoldering air
smoky atlas
Speaking of charm, aphro legendary is probably best with fast attacks right
I want to make a charm build
void fjord
yes
sweet heath
yea I think I was playing demeter fists
void fjord
cause its 15% chance, its better on weapons that either have fast fire rate (fists or rail) or have multiple dmg inducing things i.e bow special
smoky atlas
probably gonna put it on chiron or fist
sweet heath
spear with serrated points + unhealthy fixation
cunning urchin
I like Heartbreak Flourish on Demeter Aspect.
solid portal
black shaw with spear
void fjord
well, dmg go brrrr on demeter aspect
cunning urchin
Well damage? 
void fjord
aphro is a safe option, i used to enjoy running it till i got bored(hub)
fixed it lol
chimera jerky very pog on demeter aspeect
dio build on demeter aspect is a good build im working on rn
sweet heath
i havent played enough with demeter, the 10 stacks explosion seems pretty good since you get some of the damage back while still getting a low in the meantime
void fjord
im sry, but i did not understand a thing you just said
while still getting a low?
some damage back??
10 stacks???
cunning urchin
Obviously talking about the goddess—not Demeter Aspect.
jade rover
just beat ||Em4|| without losing a DD, what a fun fight. still not quit sure what the telegraph for some of his moves is, if any.
void fjord
yes
jade rover
that's not bad at all then
jade rover
I was thinking priorotize that duo, then just max out lightning effects for the dash
ez pz
void fjord
vengeful mood is always a mood
well i still have to beat ||EM4||
only tried it twice lol
toxic wolf
beating EM4 would require me being able to consistently beat EM2
void fjord
i have a question is it considered bad or good rng, that i have been unable meet asterius as a mid boss room and being unable to get fourth aspect fists
@toxic wolf just take care of the lava
and also EM3 is going to be a treat
hazy slate
The doors with a skull and a red thing are miniboss encounters
random light
Idk the butterfly bonanza is easier to clear out compared to Asterius, especially with EM3 up
hazy slate
He wants 4th fist aspect
smoky atlas
id rather take asterius than butterfly ball
void zenith
Guuuh, an Aphrodite vs. Demeter trial room
magic jacinth
fists are insane
magic jacinth
i think theyre best weapon in the game
spiral tree
Hmm
magic jacinth
and if you're newer you can get a hammer that lets you gain hp back when u kill with ur uppercut
spiral tree
Newer ?
magic jacinth
so it gives a lot of hp to keep your runs going through elysium
newer to the game and less experienced
jade rover
holy, Hera with Greater recall is kinda nuts
languid storm
Has anyone managed to get hunting blades to drop with Shield4? I've had zero success trying to get it with blade flare rather than blade cast though the codex says it should
void fjord
well rng is a fickle mistress
spiral tree
I guess I need to try fists
I just have a hard time imagining there’s a better weapon than Arthur
languid storm
I mean sure, though with 5 rerolls I can pretty consistently get any other duo that I'm looking for but that combination has completely evaded me
This is also over at least 4 runs where I've used the god trinkets too
torpid barn
Does anybody have any advice for Exagryph builds?
hazy slate
Zeus attack
shut heron
What fists doit you use most @magic jacinth ?
hazy slate
Maybe try to go for priveleged status with aphro on special
But that isn’t really consistent at all
languid storm
Poseidon Attack+Zeus Duo
if you can get the poseidon legendary +double bolt you can get consistently 3 bolts a shot
bronze sorrel
If I have light of ixalon and then I get another light of ixalon, will they both be used up in the next room or one after the other?
cunning urchin
One after the other.
bronze sorrel
nice, thx!
jade rover
https://imgur.com/a/F3xUeH4 Hera and greater recall.. Absolutly incredible
languid storm
I feel like this is just the lottery version of Hera+stygian Soul
jade rover
It's harder to get but much better. Being able to load three into one shot does Massive damage. I was one shotting Hydra heads by the time I got there, and immediatly getting my cast back.
languid storm
Sure, but you can get that off of ice wine too
dry quiver
Hmm. Do the casts stick for a split second before falling off ? On things that weren’t one shot that is. Exit wounds would make that even nicer
placid topaz
i like magnetic fists - ||i do not like pools of rat poison when going with such a melee focussed weapon, so magnetic helps||
languid storm
void fjord
i suggest putting your victories in #h1-victory-boasting
lusty pilot
So I’m confused, I’ve seen conversations here mention that chaos is the best shield aspect and I just... don’t see why
Is there a specific boon combo or daedalus upgrade that makes it really good?
void fjord
do you have it fully leveled up?
lusty pilot
4/5
void fjord
well the thing with chaos shield is that your able to hit multiple things with it at the same time with your special, not just two enemies, a whole bunch of them
so something like dio or zeus with jolted really benefit from it
placid topaz
i really should try chaos with zeus - does look like fun
pinging the whole room with jolted sounds like a good time
lusty pilot
Oh I hadn’t thought of dio, but I already got the Zeus boon, it seems ok but I guess I need jolted for it to get really good
Makes sense
void fjord
this is what i usually tend to run with it, if i ever do run shield
magic jacinth
does that build have enough damage for bosses
void fjord
yes
jolted does enough dmg to bosses
and dio on specials do more dmg as compared to the attack
magic jacinth
i see
void fjord
and if you get frost strike (ideally for zeus) or aphro (ideally for dio) on your shield, PS and their duos help a lot
lusty pilot
Ok, thanks for the tip!
void fjord
and if you go one step further for dio and get the ares duo, well its just a good time
jaunty blaze
wow, got like occasional 2000 damage hits with artemis and arthur
lusty pilot
Ill go for the zeus frost cuz I already have zeus and jolted, and yeah I gotta say, started feeling a lot better with jolted 👍
jaunty locust
Just to be clear -- if you deflect any part of a melee attack like the boss's big swing, you can't take damage from the rest of it
void zenith
Can we talk a moment about how Excalibur just lets you stand there and trade hits with Hades?
jaunty locust
and if you dash-strike with divine dash, as long as the shields are around you you're still deflecting?
placid topaz
whats the giant blue/grey snowflake underneath their feet in the above vid?
jade rover
Maybe this is a hot take, but I feel like the only reason Em1 Alecto isn't harder than ||em4|| is entirely just damage numbers
void zenith
It's the aura that sword's hidden aspect has
placid topaz
yeah ok wow that was nuts
languid storm
Doesn't each rank of EM only affect the next boss? I'm not sure why EM4 would make 1 harder
placid topaz
pretty sure when i try to duke hades like that with fists i use more than 1 DD lol
void zenith
I didn't even bother dodging. Just to get behind his back cause I had the hammer for 200% back damage
jade rover
No, I'm saying Em4, just in terms of moveset, is easier than em1
placid topaz
lol arthur OP?
void zenith
it's very good
Though I got a lucky build, too
All the damage reduction you could imagine
Even 20% dodge
languid storm
Oh yeah I haven't tried EM4 yet but EM1 alecto is easily the hardest boss in the gamer
Though EM1 Alecto + Meg isn't as bad as EM1 Alecto+Tis or both
half crater
... EM1 alecto is the hardest boss in the game? 👀
respectfully disagree
tbh i’d take her over any version of champions, especially at FO2
languid storm
The champs aren't nearly as bad as her plus both sisters, especially if tis starts blinding the screen and you can't see the alecto blades
void fjord
hahahahahhhahaha, proceeds to cry in HL4 and PL
half crater
honestly i actually think meg is harder
hahahahahhhahaha, proceeds to cry in HL4 and PL
i mean, yeah, and that’s before we even bring this up lol
half crater
absolutely
void fjord
alecto is hard if ur sleepy/tired
half crater
sometimes i mess up with Tis when using slower weapons at FO2
but she’s the easiest for sure
anything is hard if you’re sleepy/tired enough
-hypnos, probably
stiff flume
vicious cycle is my new favorite boon combined with ares aid call 😌
the damage on bosses is outrageous with greater call
jaunty locust
oh gosh I swore this conversation happpened but I couldn't find it while searching
jaunty locust
no, sorry, a different one, Idk enough about emergency measures
half crater
oh yeah it’s been brought up before iirc
void zenith
Both Meg and Tis get absolutely murdered by deflect
jaunty locust
but I can't find where I learneda bout the deflect from the dash lingering through dash strike
void zenith
Alecto is stronger in that regard
half crater
people argue over whether alecto or meg is harder, but i think most people agree with me
void zenith
Alecto definitely harder of the three
void zenith
The dark fog is probably the worst part about Alecto
half crater
yeah but otherwise her attack are just easier to avoid versions of meg’s, plus a vaguely annoying beyblade
void fjord
the dark fog is tis' doing in EM1
half crater
oh really?
half crater
i actually thought it was alecto as well lol
void zenith
And that Alecto is the one that it really matters for
half crater
i haven’t turned off EM1 in about 6 months, so idk
void fjord
tis does the more aoe effects stuff, like the three line attack and the fog
meg does attacks in an area that are ez to dodge
alecto drops her blade
half crater
honestly this is probably subjective idk
half crater
and weapon based ig
void fjord
nah its something i have noticed
half crater
oh no i mean overall
void fjord
well on defeating them yes
half crater
whichever you find easier is subjective
void fjord
yea i got it later lol
void zenith
Furies are pretty squishy, though. So even with EM1, the fight is just a road bump
Can't remember the last time I even lost a DD on them
Including the higher heat runs I did
half crater
i lose one occasionally, usually when running more hard labour than is probably wise
it matters surprisingly little; a DD loss that early is easy to replace
void fjord
i forget on hell mode, PL is a thing
narrow spruce
Question. Does anybody else LOVE face-tanking with excalibur?
void zenith
<this guy
half crater
it’s fun for sure
void zenith
Check the video I posted further up
half crater
i tried to face tank excalibur through 32 heat the other day
void fjord
its fun, but its more fun to perfect the final boss
jade rover
tfw you're really confident until you lose two DD to jars in the span of three seconds.
half crater
got up to the final boss, so i guess it works lol
lmao
that’s the reason i no longer run heightened security
void fjord
well you do get extra health from the aspect
void fjord
you think HL and HS is ez heat, but then enemy go brrrr and you die
void zenith
It gets kinda silly once you start stacking weak, high tolerance and 20% dodge chance
narrow spruce
The video is neat but its also fun to do that on EM4 Hades
Revenge damage is so...strong!
void fjord
well it is ez heat tbh, just dont get hit lol
half crater
you think HL and HS is ez heat, but then enemy go brrrr and you die
@void fjord i am in this photo and i don’t like it
void zenith
I mean, for now I'm just taking it easy with low heat streaks
half crater
“just don’t step on trap, you will be fine”
void zenith
But that same build would survive em4 with 2-3 HL
Maybe with even FO on top
Without even trying all that hard
half crater
FO is easy until it isn’t
same with TD
for example: BP2 extra fast teleporting elite flamewheels at FO2
alternatively: asterius go charge
void fjord
flamewheels are nice
the only thing that pisses me off abt BP2 is when you get clones and the black hole one
and they all surround you
and u suddenly wonder why ur in the house already
void zenith
extra fast cloning wringers
half crater
my fav in tartarus is actually cloning witches with seeking shots at FO2
half crater
it’s hilarious
void fjord
those will always kill me, especiaally on stubborn defiance
void zenith
Especially paired with DC2
jaunty locust
I am not familiar enough with these bad boys
void fjord
you dont want to
half crater
yes you do!
void fjord
believe me
half crater
BP is fun fight me
void fjord
thing is i cant even feel like im beeing punished
cause the game i use to punish myself is the end is nigh
and thats a doozy
narrow spruce
tfw Divine Strike, Divine Dash, and Bronze Skin are all in the same page and they're all epic...
I'm thinking 1 or 3 for excalibur
half crater
i mean, i’d go dash basically every time
narrow spruce
I would except this is the weapon of face tank
narrow spruce
currently -10% damage from all sources at all ranges at all health thresholds AND it can level up
jaunty locust
I feel like I take the most damage from lots lof littl ehits (witches, rats, poison, etc.) to wear me out, and a 7% isn't really gonna drop that
narrow spruce
I think I've convinced myself to go skin, and hope to find strike later
jaunty locust
I don't really mess around with strike much
but considering how much of a button masher I am I really should 😛
...I'm worried I have the wrong information about some mechanics, and I've been spreading it
narrow spruce
speaking of mechanics. Erebus gates. Does that waste a chamber? Or is it a freebee and not count to progression?
lapis matrix
I'm pretty sure they count as a chamber
mighty ermine
it takes the slot of the next chamber, yeah
narrow spruce
hrm...
lapis matrix
Charon's probably does too
mighty ermine
unless you use one before a pre-boss shop
in which case you're just adding an extra chamber that normally isn't there
lapis matrix
You can force one with a well item
narrow spruce
I assume Chaos is the same deal?
mighty ermine
yeah
thorny basin
so i managed to beat ||hades|| first try with tripple bomb, rocket bomb, and hazard bomb. had an artemis blessing giving me another 250% damage and just spammed q and dodge
narrow spruce
Rocket hazard oh lordy
mighty ermine
huh, rocket isn't compatible with hazard though
narrow spruce
Why not?
mighty ermine
the game doesn't allow you to have both at once
narrow spruce
Oh?
mighty ermine
that's just how certain hammer upgrades interact. another example is how you can't have exploding launcher and vicious skewer on spear at the same time
did you take the anvil in styx, farel?
narrow spruce
ah that could have removed hazard
narrow spruce
I just got back to back legendaries from a trial of the gods
mighty ermine
ayy nice
narrow spruce
Poseidon's and Demeter's
I should also say this is my first time getting Demeter's. That's so wonderfully overkill.
HERMES!
He just gave me a third in greater recall
brisk sapphire
my last two runs I got a Dem+Ath duo that lets you regen health when you don't have death defiances, so I just ran away from Hades each time he hit me
jaunty locust
@jaunty locust the same if you are just dashing. But the thing is you get the same amount of i frames when ur dash striking
Is this true? I've been talking about it all over teh place and I want to be positive. The "deflect" animation is still up so I assume it is, but
simple trail
just such a treat on bosses especially
@mighty ermine it does have a sick animation
jaunty locust
OH tail! I just found a message from you when I was tr ying to figure out where my in fo came from, because I wasn't sure where I heard what, and didn't want to have bad info
mighty ermine
she's the queen of the rule of cool 😎 🌨️
oh with dash-striking? yeah, that still cuts off your iframes early
it's particularly obvious if you spam fists dash-strikes recklessly against everything
jaunty locust
oh, but if you have the athena
the deflect window is open the whole time
because the thing around you is still there
it's why it can feel especially effective and safe versus things like asterius' wide swings, since if you even deflect a very early frame of it, the rest of the whole swing is incapable of hurting you```oh, yeah in terms of deflection, that's still true
jaunty locust
so, say I'm dashing and my dash ends right in the middle of the last boss' big swing. If I'm normal, I take that hit. If I have divine dash, the attack is deflected and I don't take any damage
narrow spruce
#h1-victory-boasting final build. Plume was just under 30%
mighty ermine
some of the final boss sweeps might have multiple "attack" points to where that might not be as reliable, might have to do testing with that specifically
but the idea is definitely correct, yeah
jaunty locust
oooooh ok ok that makes sense vis a vis sweeps
but, if I dash-strike in the middle of it, I'd be deflecting even while I strike, and it'd cover me
mighty ermine
right, as long as the single attack is deflected first, it can't hurt you for the rest of its duration
which includes while dash-striking
jaunty locust
gotcha gotcha. Even if you catch a bit of it, the rest of the swing can't hurt you, because the big spin IS deflectable, right?
same with the mino-swings or something
mighty ermine
yeah, though i know for certain EM3 asterius' moving, huge spin produces constant hitboxes
so deflecting that won't keep you safe
jaunty locust
one thing I saw while I was searching (That I have since lost) is that someone mentioned something about your arm sticking out through dash strike and tagging you
yeah you'd either have to get out of the way
or like, angle your dash to SKIM it and send deflects in at him
mighty ermine
right
jaunty locust
no I'm referring to the last boss' BIG circle
That's really why Divine Strike is so much more reliable for Deflects. You can just Dash-Strike into most things or sideswipe them with Dash-Strikes. Divine Dash's deflect radius doesn't cover your fist when Dash-Striking—or at least not entirely. OK this is the one
mighty ermine
i'm honestly not sure about the thing with zag's arm sticking out though. i don't think it's that nuanced
jaunty locust
yeah I assume it's just a toggle on your character
but y eah, this helps explain why the athena dash is so good - not only does it give you the deflect soft-invincibility while dash-striking, but deflecting a huge lingering attack protects you from the rest of it
mighty ermine
yeah i don't think that info is accurately describing what actually happens there
jaunty locust
ok I wanted to make sure I was right, because I mention this a lot, and if I got it wrong I'd feel like an enormous jerk
mighty ermine
haha no worries
jaunty locust
this is one of those "oh that explains it" feelings for why the divine dash feels so good
like when I found out (the hard way, via HS) that the green pots are, in fact, traps
mighty ermine
oof yeah
jaunty locust
"where did this 111 damage come from?????" when I use it as a standard easy heat increase
thorny basin
well im really happy with today, managed to beat the 3rd and 4th boss for the first time each in a single run, and ive got a second run that isnt going quite as well as the first but im feeling pretty good about at least reaching the 3rd boss. elysium is nasty
jaunty locust
Hey! Nice!
woah, you mean, you beat the third and the fourth? so like
an escape?
sullen mirage
hmm, feeling like if I don't get Artemis boon on my attack fighting fighting the last boss is pretty painful. Figure I must be missing something
mighty ermine
well i've got just the attack boon for you, in terms of both dealing lots of damage (on high base damage weapons) and making it less painful
aphrodite's heartbreak strike babey
simple trail
and it can provide dmg susceptibility and if u lucky, charm too
sullen mirage
Actually had that on my last run with the rail, roughly how long should fights last? Think it was over 10mins 😂
mighty ermine
since rail's base damage is so low, you're usually better off with zeus attack there
other than hestia's huge empowered shots
sullen mirage
Ah cool, I'll keep that in mind for next time
I actually switched off of Zeus's boon in Styx because I thought it would be better >>
mighty ermine
as a general rule of thumb, faster, lighter hitting attacks prefer flat extra damage per hit like zeus, while slower, big base damage attacks prefer high +% like aphrodite/artemis
sullen mirage
Sweet, I'll have to have a closer look at the numbers on them
dark quail
What are some good boons for aspect of eris?
mighty ermine
zeus and dio attack are fantastic on it; chain lightning and hangover damage both benefit from eris' special boost
same with poseidon call; you boost yourself, then let it rip and do ridiculous amounts of damage
neat hound
it's why it can feel especially effective and safe versus things like asterius' wide swings, since if you even deflect a very early frame of it, the rest of the whole swing is incapable of hurting you```
@jaunty locust Does this work with Hades' lasers ?
untold vortex
you can't deflect the lasers iirc
neat hound
I remember deflecting it for a brief moment but the rest of the animation still hits
untold vortex
you can however stand right up against hades (||in non EM4||) during the lazors and not get hit
neat hound
nice
mighty ermine
lasers can't be deflected, aggy's right. applies to hades, brimstones, snakestones
neat hound
not "deflecting" it exactly
but not being touched
for a moment
also for some reason in one of my runs, when hades was close to one of the pillars, his lasers went through
i don't know if it's a glitch
neat hound
it only happened once so it's fine honestly
rn i'm just trying to finish atleast one run with every weapon, i only have the gun to do now
all of that without death defiance
never used it
cunning urchin
@lusty pilot people said Chaos Aspect was the best during Early Access. It's been nerfed quite a lot in 1.0.
dry quiver
Just had a spot of fun with Aspect of Hera w/ fully loaded and slippery grasp for 6 Crystal Beams. Also had support fire and snow burst, so plenty of damage just loading the casts and then my very own death beams vs hades.
lone lava
Best build is Merciful End
half crater
zeus/athena on attack works fine tho
and because you're so close to the enemy, if you don't have athena on attack you wanna look at getting her dash if possible
lone lava
The artemis stuff is extra
Core parts to get first are Ares attack, Athena special (both prereqs for ME) and then Athena dash and ME
After that look for impending doom
Pom targets are curse of agony (ares attack) and impending doom
limber flax
how do i get merciful end?
half crater
merciful end is the athena ares duo
lone lava
Exection wise, just keep punching to apply doom and dash whenever you can to proc doom with merciful end
half crater
get its prerequisites (in this case curse of agony and divine flourish) then get more ares/athena books for a chance at it
half crater
use fated persuasion rerolls to maximise your chances
lone lava
ME is by far the fastest fists build
half crater
i thought doom is not that good on fists
@limber flax this is correct except if you have merciful end
limber flax
i see
half crater
then doom is amazing
lone lava
Nah it actually isn't bad even before ME
lone lava
Nyaanyaa I think calced
half crater
its worse than basically everything else before ME lol
half crater
lol really
lone lava
Fists base dmg so low
limber flax
its probably more easy to just go for zeus and athena right
limber flax
i am
limber flax
first win yesterday
lone lava
Or have god keepsakes and the reroll thingy from mirror
half crater
well, i can't argue with math
lone lava
Yeah just zeus attack
half crater
even so; get ME if at all possible
lone lava
And then nothing else matters
limber flax
i dont have reroll yet i think
lone lava
Just grab zeus attack like @half crater said so
And athena dash always great for newer players
half crater
and experienced players tbh
limber flax
i wish i could have athena attakc and zeus attack lol
half crater
same tbh
lone lava
That's true actually haha if I don't need a diff dash for a duo then I like to have athena
Just dont want it if I'm doing ME/sea storm/nemesis
The deflect dmg is actually really good haha
Especially with the boon that ups deflect dmg
half crater
brilliant reposte
yeah
plus brilliant reposte is the prereq for athena's legendary so win win
decent choice on nemisis still on higher heats
but that hunter dash is tempting yeah
limber flax
is there anything you can deflect in hades fight?
lone lava
Ya know actually, I'm almost done with my fated list of minor prophecies for boons, got any decent ideas for how to use demeter legendary and ares/demeter duo well?
@limber flax you can deflect melee attacks in this game if you time it right
limber flax
ah
limber flax
oh didnt know that
half crater
You don't really need to do anything to use Demeter's legendary; it kinda just is amazing passively
lone lava
But for your situation focus on getting away when he spins
half crater
tho you want a good source of chill ofc
limber flax
i thoght dmg is only when you deflect projectiles
lone lava
Nah you deal dmg with melee deflects too
As you play more you'll get comfortable staying near hades and just using i frames to dodge hits
limber flax
tho you want a good source of chill ofc
@half crater my first win yesterday was chill with athena attack
that was such a chill fight
literally
lone lava
Any reccomend chill builds?
half crater
For the ares/athena duo (blizzard shot is the name i think?) honestly i'm not the best person to ask
lone lava
I dont run grandma too often
half crater
i kinda think its strictly worse than hunting blades for a bladed shot build
lone lava
Yeah freezing vortex or something
lone lava
i kinda think its strictly worse than hunting blades for a bladed shot build
Thats what it seemed like to me haha
half crater
Any reccomend chill builds?
@lone lava Been messing around with a chiron one lately; demeter on special, arctic blast
pretty good fun
lone lava
I'll just shoe horn it in on a weapon that's not too high heat I guess
Oooh yeah that could be decent
half crater
managed to get trippy shot and ice wine as well in my last run, which was great
TD2 killed me in the hades fight tho 😢
decay is just fantastic to pick up on any chill build, and it pairs really nicely with her call which can chill a large number of enemies
or basically a whole room with greater call lol
lone lava
Yeah decay is great damage
Demter has some nice boons tbh, her legendary shouldn't be much trouble
For the dem-ares duo I might just get the min reqs and try get the duo but have other viable options
Oh right achilies spear
half crater
yeah achilles would be the way if you want to make it work
lone lava
Empowers casts plus I can just win off serrated tip
Need to upgrade that anyway since its apparently speedrun meta on spear
half crater
to be fair to blizzard shot, i think half the reason i dislike it is that i'm always running FO2, which means enemies escape from it pretty easily
if you don't run that, it might be better
lone lava
Ah nice
I just put FO1 on yesterday, gonna keep that on always to get used to it
Will switch to FO2 asap
Faster spawns are good
half crater
its not the worst idea
sacred geyser
does boiling blood stack with more casts stuck in someone?
lone lava
No
sacred geyser
aw :(
molten violet
does fated authority or persuasion give you 1 dye just once when you level it up? or one extra every time you collect one (with keys for example)
lone lava
It gives you one per level
molten violet
hmm just once then :ı that seems unnecessary
glass rapids
charged skewer, serrated point or quick spin are what you're looking for
glass rapids
Athena, artemis, aphro usually
hearty elbow
Charged Skewer lets you play so fast though. I really enjoy its playstyle.
proven osprey
yeah I don't have it
the spin is interesting however, I guess you really need those hammers
glass rapids
spin is great damage regardless
proven osprey
yeah
glass rapids
If you don't have the aspect maxed its pretty difficult
proven osprey
yeah that's why I want ot play with it
it will force me not to take unecessary dmg
barren otter
Does Breaching Slash (attack deals more damage to armor) work with dash strikes on the sword or does it only affect normal attack?
glass rapids
usually whatever affects attack affects the dash strike but not vice versa
in the case of hammers I haven't really noticed
cunning urchin
I always build Spear 4 for Special and only switch to Dash-Strike if I see Serrated Point.
proven osprey
I'm currently getting destroyed, trying to life steal with that exceptionnaly slow attack
cunning urchin
Charged Skewer and Serrated Point are the most powerful builds.
Spin/lifesteal builds generally have Divine Strike or Frost Strike.
More commonly Divine Strike.
proven osprey
yeah I can see why lel
barren otter
I recommend not relying on the spin for healing, it will mostly lead to getting hit more. Charge the spin only when there's a good opportunity.
proven osprey
true
cunning urchin
With Divine Strike, you can just spam the spin safely tbh. You don't need max spin to get healing, either.
proven osprey
yup I quickly realised that max spin was not an option without the adequate perk
should I go for Zeus special ?
cunning urchin
No, you want a +X% Special to benefit from Charged Skewer if you get it.
cunning urchin
I'll have to report you. 
peak iron
Yes.
proven osprey
wow
peak iron
IDK how the game does the math, but I suspect that if you have, say, +34% and +32% it becomes +66%
Additively instead of Multiplicatively.
peak iron
I love it when Chaos comes together. It feels good when you have +Attack, +Backstab, and any Big, Hard Hitting weapon
Smack bosses for half their HP in one shot
cunning urchin
Chaos boons are additive, yeah. It will just be listed as a second boon in the list if you have 2 of the same Chaos boon.
peak iron
Thanks Nyaa 🙂
young ether
I mean which one should i prioritize
cunning urchin
Used to be that it showed as "Lv.2", but they fixed that.
peak iron
Depends on the % given I think. If you already have 5 casts, getting another cast is only, like, +20% more damage.
Ignoring any on-hit effects your cast might apply.
But if you only have 3 casts, get another cast.
cunning urchin
Also depends on Stygian Soul vs Infernal Soul.