Or a different cast
#h1-builds-and-combat
lapis matrix
unkempt zephyr
i dont know what its flare)
void zenith
Hera is cool. I used to main Hera, but kinda switched more to special bow builds over cast builds
marsh pumice
Wut Rama struggling with enemies 
oblique forge
used to use bow now I just use spear
void zenith
Though chiron does struggle against certain enemy combinations
craggy rose
i use spear and just started using bow !
bow is super fun but i got my first escape w spear
unkempt zephyr
Wut Rama struggling with enemies :rooKek:
@marsh pumice Yup. alote chariots or skulls with shadow clones makes them cry. specialy with DC.
jaunty locust
ok, Achilles aspect - if I use the serrated point dash strike, is that one use of the next 4 attacks, or 3 of them
void zenith
Oof, shadow clones
craggy rose
its the next three from memory
void zenith
Don't remind me of that
unkempt zephyr
and hell begins when shadow clones have teleport.
craggy rose
dear god
marsh pumice
Just don't enable it :)
hushed sun
Skulls and saviors.
unkempt zephyr
That i pref Hera with poseidon and slam boon. load 3 cast. one shoot room cleaned. even with DC 2.
hushed sun
all hell breaks loose
unkempt zephyr
becaus slam kill
void zenith
Thing is, that kind of combo is ezpz with Rail and zeus attack
but hell with anything else
worn prism
favorite shield aspect? i don't have beowulf yet
craggy rose
ooft ive done one run w rail and i. could not
hushed sun
Zeus
unkempt zephyr
DC 2 easy if you have dash zeus or have some were dio with Peer Pressure. becaus Peer Pressure spead to all and negate DC 2 to zero.
worn prism
i usually run zeus but i like chaos shield too
hushed sun
I sorta want to try build a one shot hestia sniper rifle
not sure how effective that would be tho, especially on high heat
void zenith
Hestia kinda falls off. DC is the bane of it
hushed sun
DC 2 easy if you have dash zeus or have some were dio with Peer Pressure. becaus Peer Pressure spead to all and negate DC 2 to zero.
Oh that's actually new to me, never thought of that yeah that works perfectly
void zenith
And having to constantly reload to get your full damage output slows down your dps
But eris and delta chamber... yum
hushed sun
yeah, anything you can't one shot would make the build meaningless
stoic thicket
Hestia doesn't really fall off, DC is just very bad with it. If you're at the point where you have to take DC to increase heat at all a billion different things have already stopped working.
jaunty locust
dc 2...? I'm confused by these.
unkempt zephyr
You can take hestia demeter attack.dio special and beat Heat with DC 2 on easy.
void zenith
To be clear, I've done my only 32 run with hestia
So it is very much viable
But now that I've started playing around with eris, I'm starting to see just how great it is
void fjord
@jaunty locust check the pin chat in #h1-high-heat-strategies
hushed sun
I mean it is fun, and it definitely has the ability to nuke things with a single shot
jaunty locust
kk
void fjord
its abbreviations of pact
hushed sun
but it requires you to constantly reload which is sorta annoying
unkempt zephyr
Damage Control=DC
hushed sun
But now that I've started playing around with eris, I'm starting to see just how great it is
might try eris soon, never tried 30+ heat with eris
or any runs, come to think of that, for that matter
void zenith
Tbh, even the hazard bomb Eris meme still kinda works
hushed sun
who needs traps when you can blast yourself into the sky
unkempt zephyr
Eris most easy for HighHeat. specialy with Dio attack. some thing like ares special. and Aid of artemis. And dio take crits from artemis. increasing damage on near 40% from ares duo. marks every were. doom start do crits on marks.
hushed sun
oh shoot
unkempt zephyr
And poison damage......oooou lord.
hushed sun
Plague build
void zenith
I actually just managed to make a build I was just theoretically talking about the other day
Shield + doom special + athena attack + merciful end
hushed sun
interest
void zenith
Chaos shield, too.
unkempt zephyr
core its Peer Pressure, Duos,mark,Pressure Points.and if be lucky Hunter Instinct.
hushed sun
oh lol
hushed sun
so you just rush special and just bash everybody
void zenith
At one point, I actually realized that the most damage I can get on bosses was to just toss->attack, without the rush
jaunty locust
I feel like my halting ambush bonus isn't stacking with my regular backstab damage? Maybe I'm just bad at math
hushed sun
i guess yeah, since you don't really need the multiple throws part
my english is deteriorating
I feel like my halting ambush bonus isn't stacking with my regular backstab damage? Maybe I'm just bad at math
it should i think
void zenith
I was hoping I could get the multi-throw to get extra procs on dire misfortune
But I got just the impending doom instead
jaunty locust
.... if I'm running artemis attack on my spear and I have the serrated edge, do I want hunter's mark or support fire
(or deadly flourish but I think that's a no)
jaunty locust
yeah it's not an exciting choice
hushed sun
wait sorry
void zenith
hunter's mark is a better one there
unkempt zephyr
Oh, does doom on mark crit? That's interesting
@void zenith Any sort of damage crit on mark. even casts. like when you play ahillies. artemis attack with mark. and poseidon cast crit on marks.
hushed sun
benefits of support fire on spear would be marginal i think
yeah, apparently than can crit too according to agg
unkempt zephyr
im now in run with ahiliies with mark and pos cast + athena deflect for more crit chance from Duo.
jaunty locust
ok, I don't think the chaos boon is working the way I think it should - is it an extra 95% on top of the existing backstab damage?
so I do 50% more, and then 95% more than that?
hold on let me get
void zenith
It's additive, based on base damage
unkempt zephyr
hold on let me get
@jaunty locust all math from base damage.
void zenith
so if your attack is 50, your 50% backstab gives you 75, and extra 95% gets you to 123
unkempt zephyr
if your attack 20. and you have one bonus 50%(+10) and second +100% (+20)=total damage be = 20+10+20=50
worthy jacinth
Is high confidence good with Guan Yu?
hushed sun
oh
jaunty locust
oh, so it's not like, 145% backstab
jaunty locust
oh ok
hushed sun
Hm, what if, demeter cast + support fire?
@void zenith the text is
After you Cast, or hit with an Attack or Special
so i guess not
void zenith
You get +145% of your base damage on top of your regular damage
worthy jacinth
someone plz answer me
jaunty locust
I think my problem was that It was like, a 37 vs 74 or something, and it didn't feel like a doubling
I have no clue Blonded
void zenith
@worthy jacinth I mean, yeah, but you do need to have some high confidence to play with even less health
hushed sun
high confidence is always good if you are confident you can keep your hp high, hence why it's called high confidence
hushed sun
shouldve jinxed
unkempt zephyr
best users of support fire its tripple attack spears.Zeus special.chaos shield. Guns.Fists.
hushed sun
hehe swift strike zag rail support fire go brrrt
feels like a minor version of artemis call
jaunty locust
so I have regular backstab for 50, blinding flash which gives me 70 backstab, and halting ambush that gives me 97. If I have an attack that does 100 damage (for the sake of math) it should do 100 + 50 + 70 + 97 = 317
I'm bad at maths
void zenith
That makes sense, yeah
jaunty locust
do we round up or down
lapis matrix
That sounds right
void zenith
now just get big chop
turbid needle
i just cleared in 16:30 mins, the duo boon of zeus and aphrodite is crazy lmao
void zenith
Since we're discussing damage calculation, am I right in thinking that crits are an exception to the additive rule?
Do they just take the total non-crit damage and multiply that?
hushed sun
I believe so yeah
unkempt zephyr
100 +1000.7(70%) +1000.97(97%)+1000,5(50%)=100(1+0.7+0.97+0.5)=100*(3.17)=317
jesus i cant use *
jaunty locust
ok so my regular jab would do 25, but with the 43% artemis boon it should do 25*(1+.43+.7+.5+.97) = 90, and if I get a crit, that's multiplied by 3 for 270?
...90 damage for a back attack isn't a lot
lucid shore
Anybody know if the chaos Shield special ability counts as special or attack dmg
hushed sun
special
lucid shore
Ok thanks
unkempt zephyr
jesus crist. you think fast jab crits with backstab 270 its Little?
jaunty locust
backstab did 73, which is right for ignoring the blinding flash
oh no I mean without the crit it's 90 which isn't a lot
hushed sun
still a lot*
jaunty locust
true
unkempt zephyr
isnt alote? your base jab damage how much 10 or 15?
jaunty locust
I meant, for having a ton of backstab focused stuff it does feel like it's fairly underwhelming as opposed to like, spicier boons that I've gotten
base jab is 25
it's not even three digits 😛
unkempt zephyr
fists jab 25 base?
hushed sun
it's not even three digits 😛
kids these days
void zenith
Are those boons you have leveled up at all?
jaunty locust
err, sorry, I'm using the spear
mostly it just felt like I put a ton of investment into it, and because of my bad mental math it felt like it wasn't doing a lot
unkempt zephyr
so good. becaus mark my blue pos cast 4 lvl crit on 1.2k)))
void zenith
Actually, I wonder how the charge damage works
unkempt zephyr
👍
void zenith
Like, the charge throw on spear or charge volley on bow
Is that also multiplicative?
jaunty locust
(the big juice is my dash attack charon bonus and the serraded edge, which puts the exposed backstab damage after an achilles toss at 97x3 for the triple slash, now THAT'S walkin' around damage)
... do you know if uhh ||theseus has a special line if you use his spear throw to kill Asterius?||
unkempt zephyr
Jesus what a question)
half crater
dunno
got ||asterius to kill theseus by charming him once, tho, and there was no special line for that||
half crater
yup it’s amazing
smoky atlas
btw i learned just now that hangover carries over death defiance
theseus summoned dio. i got poisoned, poison killed me, i revived, and poison still continued to hit
half crater
ouch
smoky atlas
i mean, i always thought that dio's tantrum was the nastiest for trial of gods, but this takes dio to the next level
jaunty locust
WAIT quick question, does a charmed asterius do THAT much damage?
also, is the spin a uhh ||special attack thing||
jaunty locust
so do you wait for the attack to start, hit the aphrodite thing on him, and then it takes out half the health
fair plinth
EM asterius?
jaunty locust
I'm scared to experience this attack
half crater
it’s mostly just annoying tbh
since it’s difficult to attack him while he’s spinning with some weapons
unkempt zephyr
i have litte story about support fire and artemis game play. when ppl use support fire wrong .only for additional damage. wana hear this?
half crater
it’s just kinda funny on bow/rail tho
so do you wait for the attack to start, hit the aphrodite thing on him, and then it takes out half the health
@jaunty locust you can’t actually charm asterius, but putting the effect on him will make it possible for him to hurt Theseus with his attacks, so all you have to do is lead him into his buddy while he spins
hilarity ensues
hushed sun
What I call Vitamix'ing
turbid needle
You can Charm Asterius, it just lasts much shorter than the normal Charm duration.
jaunty locust
ohhhhhhhh ok ok
half crater
he doesn’t actually head to attack theseus by himself is what i’m saying
jaunty locust
so you have to hit him with it while he's spinning and then make sure he blends theseus
unkempt zephyr
just image. you figth vs 3 enemy with sword.artemis on attack. and you have support fire and Mark.You start attacking one enemy. anothers now have marks. supprort fire arrows fly and crits on them. and now YOUR target have mark. becaus crit was in another target.not yours. and now you have almost 100% crit chance for every hit. bacaus when you hit. mark be on another target. support fire take in and mark your primary target. its mean Support fire + Mark probably get to player 100% crit chance when you have more than 1 enemy./ and of course mark with +1+2 lvl. for this player need mark and supprotr fire. not for 12 damage from supprot fire.
unkempt zephyr
crit mark not you target.its mark another. and suppor arrow take this mark from another enemy and give it to your target. that why it called "support fire". its very good you can see in figth with asterios and theseus. if you wana try. that combo melt them down very quick.
cunning urchin
It does.
hushed sun
phew
jaunty locust
I like my build. but I have 1 hp and no death defiances left in asphodel so maybe it's not that good
wait, someone said the opposite
You can’t mark an enemy by hitting them with a crit from a mark
@random light Oh I see, it's you can't mark an enemy by hitting the same enemy with a mark crit
but the crit does proliferate?
void fjord
sry what boon is it?
unkempt zephyr
Mark
unkempt zephyr
+81% crit chance on marked target
btw. artemis with mark create huge damage bonus to poseidon sword. Benefit not only mirage shot.
jaunty locust
okay I absolutely have to have missed something for the GY aspect
Achilles is just blabbing about his codex
void fjord
the thing i love abt the game is that hunter mark is still applicable in all bosses, except maybe redacted
its rng
make sure you have invested enough blood in the spear
unkempt zephyr
and Dio mark boss. if poison crits on boss.
unkempt zephyr
Becaus almost no one do build Dio+artemis duo + mark.
void fjord
also does peer pressure work both ways? as in one enemy gets it, then the enemy that gave it gets it back from the enemy it gave?
i barely do dio runs anymore
unkempt zephyr
almost no one do dio runs.
void fjord
my chaos shield is still only 2 blood
unkempt zephyr
whana see some fun with chaos shield?
void fjord
i know quite a few fun builds
unkempt zephyr
its poseidon main core.
placid topaz
i wanna see some fun with chaos shield 🙂
jaunty locust
WAIT is it the spear too? I thought -
ok I have two questions lmao
- I thought I had to unlock a total of five aspects, not put 5 into spear
- I just unlocked hera bow. What's a good first-time cast to use with it
void zenith
the thing i love abt the game is that hunter mark is still applicable in all bosses, except maybe redacted
@void fjord You can still proc mark off the skulls
Only one it doesn't really work on is Charon
jaunty locust
oh maybe dio - it's a great cast with a lot of good double boons, but its slow arc makes it a pain to get going in most pitched fights
unkempt zephyr
yep.and support fire help to give mark from skull to Hades back. and donk kill skull and create a way to mark hades long time.
placid topaz
omg @unkempt zephyr that was insane!
kind cloud
You can Charm Asterius, it just lasts much shorter than the normal Charm duration.
@turbid needle
i don't understand the charm duration.
i've upgraded it to as high as 11 seconds (just to test it) but it lasts no more than 3 seconds against bosses per instance. So then WTF am I upgrading?
And even for some enemies, it will only last half as the that. For instance, armored chariots will last for 5 seconds (if i had it upgraded to 10 seconds).
red mist
What if there was an empty satyr sack keepsake to make TD3 more viable?
unkempt zephyr
omg @unkempt zephyr that was insane!
@placid topaz it was bad build. imo. it must have +6 boons more. to be insane. and i dont get them in this run.
placid topaz
looked pretty good me to, lol
jaunty locust
ok trippy flare I shot and one time it made an extra flare right where I was standing, toehrwise they all detonate on impact. It's useful because it makes your attack just an ENORMOUS damage burst right?
that you can subsequently load flashy duos onto
void zenith
Загрей? lol
unkempt zephyr
looked pretty good me to, lol
@placid topaz if use poseidon cast with this build. its do same thing like special.
void zenith
I guess that makes sense, but still sounds funny
It's really weird how inconsistent the russian translations for greek names are
unkempt zephyr
yup
rare stone
||hades|| keepsake is so interesting. has anyone was able to utilize it yet? (read the spoiler only if you are very late in the story)
jaunty locust
how does triple shot match with hera bow
is it the center one that does the juice?
void zenith
Spoilers allowed in this channel, btw
jaunty locust
I got volley, triple, and sniper.
cosmic vale
what's a good strategy for the 3rd boss
rare stone
@cosmic vale with which weapon
cosmic vale
aegis
like i can get past them
but they eat at least 1 use of death defiance each time
jaunty locust
I had the incredible good luck if getting a cast damage up chaos boon, but the incredible BAD luck of it having the "cast self-damages" and the next pipe outta chaos was that awful gem, it almost drained a defiance from me
void zenith
Try to keep them both together, and bull rush at max charge through both
jaunty locust
Blix. The 3rd boss very regularly takes a defiance outta me. It's not easy! They're real tough!
rare stone
with aegis i think its better to focus asterius
void zenith
That will put you at enough distance to avoid asterius swings, and by keeping shield up while charging, you protect from the spear throws
jaunty locust
alternatively - seperate them. Deal with the bull (so that the gods aren't summoned) and keep an eye on when he throws at you (which is basically all he'll do) and hide behind a pillar
rare stone
yeah seperating is what i thought of
if you built bull rush than you dont even have to attack or special
untill you kill asterius that is
jaunty locust
WOW
rare stone
you kinda have to atack theseus
jaunty locust
festive hera minces furies
cosmic vale
that's been my strat so far
unkempt zephyr
That keepsake work well with build what have many attacks. to charg up fast. zeus. or sea storm. dio.Its good when you dont wana Athena call in your pool of gods but you need same survival . but this keepsake have a bug probably. if you take it. Dad start use Double spin attack like in EM 4
cosmic vale
i generally try to get rid of asterius first
and then theseus
but theseus is
very annoying
rare stone
the thing about aegis is that it does the least damege(in base form) but you can play it very safe
jaunty locust
if you get theseus mad first, that's just a nightmare to deal with. Usually when that happens its' jsut a race
void zenith
Even if you're not trying to take on them both at once, it pays to keep them on the same line from you with the shield
Cause by charging up rush you're still safe from spears
jaunty locust
hey, if I"m doing a dionysus hera build, do I want to go into asphodel with ZEUS to get scintillating feast eventually, or do I want to go in with DEMETER for the improved burst damage
cosmic vale
what does getting them mad mean here
rare stone
also if yuore on the other side of the room it will be really easy to hide behind a pillar
void zenith
Like, keep asterius right in front, and theseus on the same line behind him
unkempt zephyr
i have a question. How many of you know about artur special? Its switch off all traps. including lava. yup. that rigth. LAVA.Hydra EM easy boss for artur.
void zenith
I mean green hades vases
hushed sun
oe
rare stone
switch off for its duration?
hushed sun
not sure, but it probably does
unkempt zephyr
Would it protect from vases too, then?
@void zenith how i see in my 32 run. yes.i dont take damage from it.
hushed sun
excalibur is the super tank sword
jaunty locust
Omg does the Excalibur look like the castlevania one
void zenith
Ngl, excalibur was my way to finish sword runs before I got good enough with Nemmie
jaunty locust
Demeter or Zeus to focus on with Dio shot, any pref? Maybe Demeter cuz I can get the flourish?
unkempt zephyr
i pref athena attack on artur.becaus special slow projectiles. and i play in baseball 🤣
and becaus its slow you deflect all in cone of attack on animation.
void zenith
I'd usually put athena on dash or special, and just try for Aphrodite for pure smorc damage on attack
Very nice to get percentage-based increases when your base damage is 200
unkempt zephyr
i take zeus dash or dio dash to negate DC 1 or DC 2.
that AoE damage.that crush blue hearths.
void zenith
Plus, Aphro syncs nicely with the tank playstyle. They do less damage, you soak half of it, and in the end, you're immortal
unkempt zephyr
and i like combo on artur: athena attack(all time deflect with Huge damage scailing) +artemis special (for marks and DUO 20% crit after deflect. and becaus special slow all projectiles and i all time attacking athena attack. up time 100% probably) + dio on dash(to negate DC 1-2 and take another +7.5% crit chance from Duo.) in total i have huge base
attack with Huge attack scailing and deflecting all in cone + backstab damage +27.5% crit chance.
jaunty locust
I'm not getting ANY boons, this is a travesty
hushed sun
oh, btw, something I couldn't be bothered to check
so, with rama, you afflict shared suffering yeah?
unkempt zephyr
special?
hushed sun
yeah
if I attack multiple targets that are influenced by shared suffering in one go, does shared suffering proc multiple times?
because I assume the small bluish numbers is the damage from shared suffering - which only ever comes up once, and never twice or more
unkempt zephyr
im Hera lover.Dont test it. but probably its be OP. becaus rama already can give 2k+ pet shot. and with 2 enemy share both..... killing hades EM4 be in seconds in any heat lvl. becaus skulls.
than i say no. shared only from one target.becaus its be than so unbalanced. and rama be Superior OP.
jaunty locust
This is great. I picked demeter to get the cast duo with the hera bow and dio cast
but her epic divine flourish does like 500 just by being there thanks to relentless volley.
and it fullstacks chill in no time
unkempt zephyr
arthur lets you stand on lava?
@valid forge on field from special.
jaunty locust
ok, my triple cast does 1700 damage, that's big numby
valid forge
i already really liked it but this makes me exceedingly happy
unkempt zephyr
i already really liked it but this makes me exceedingly happy
@valid forge than try my build.you can find it. just scroll little up from there. and be imposible happy when take all core what i write. and try it in action.
valid forge
the swings are so meaty, its such a satisfying weapon
jaunty locust
oh, that intriguesme, because the only thing wrong with hades is there's no hammer
dense ore
What is artur?
dense ore
;o
jaunty locust
so, say I have drunken strike on my arrow and they're already chilled. If I fire it, do they get hit by drunkenness, then the loaded casts fire off and does a 40% bonus?
void zenith
Arrow hits first, then casts
unkempt zephyr
What is artur?
@dense ore Artur king Excálibur
dense ore
Wait. Excalibur is in the game? O.o
jaunty locust
wait - then why isn't my cast doing.... hmmmw ait let me math this out lmao
unkempt zephyr
Wait. Excalibur is in the game? O.o
@dense ore yep
you do not expect that so much) @dense ore 🤣 i roger that)
dense ore
^^"
jaunty locust
ok the math is off for me again. Hitting for 480 with my ice wine flare -- Base of 325 + .47 chaos boon + .3 ice wine should be 575 instead of 480
I mean I'm doing tons of damage so I won't COMPLAIN but
untold vortex
where are you getting a base of 325 from?
dense ore
And here I am being happy with 350+ crits on special.
woeful saffron
good base god for hellfire? i used zeus and still seemed low DPS
unkempt zephyr
good base god for hellfire? i used zeus and still seemed low DPS
@woeful saffron Weapon?
woeful saffron
sorry not hellfire, lucifer
jaunty locust
from my trippy shot
unkempt zephyr
I dont know. im using groving damage mechanic. and using demeter,athena or dio. i dont use zeus almost at all.
only to combo with poseidon.
dense ore
My fav combo so far is either Ares and Dio, or Aphrodire and Demeter.
unkempt zephyr
sorry not hellfire, lucifer
@woeful saffron not sure you can handle a jet of fire hydrant on Lucifer . and after add to this zeus if you think about it in second
jaunty locust
ares and dio for what?
unkempt zephyr
My fav combo so far is either Ares and Dio, or Aphrodire and Demeter.
@dense oreadd to ares and dio artemis. Doom and Poison start do crit.
jaunty locust
got heart rend on the worst build for it l m f o
loud wyvern
I think only fire rate but I’ve never noticed to be honest.
What is Stygian Soul useful for? Seems mostly comparable to Infernal for general builds and having extra stones seems better for Hera/Poseidon/Beowulf.
unkempt zephyr
for build with out cast on main.
@loud wyvern you talking about green mirror cast bonus rigth?
loud wyvern
Was asking about the green one, yeah
unkempt zephyr
revers.Stygian Soul NOT for beo possword hera.
loud wyvern
Found that one out, tried Stygian with Hera earlier and felt super anemic unless I had +bloodstone from well
unkempt zephyr
becuas this 3 weapons wana good butst damage. poseidon astect and hera useless with Stygian Soul at all.
umbral pewter
I'm not sure the lingo but the Aegis with all the hermes move speed increases and Ares Doom on special was hitting for 900 doom procs... Felt real good
unkempt zephyr
Stygian Soul good for melee. when cast not your main damage. like demeter,claws,artur,nemesis and others.
and you donw wana go for lava. to take crystal back.
and dont wana take additional damage like punishing for this.
and blood crystal stuck on near 12 second in target. Stygian Soul give 3 sec cd. itsn mean you can deal 3 cast on 12 seconds time. and purple deal same. 3 cast every 12 seconds.
But if you find....+1 cast to Stygian Soul. its be feels like 6 cast from purple side of mirror.( forgot name sry)
loud wyvern
Noticed that, was a bit surprised when both bloodstones regenerated after 3 sec
unkempt zephyr
yup. and hermes boon can decrease time to regenerate. to almost 2 seconds.
loud wyvern
Sounds like Stygian might be the right call for Chiron then
unkempt zephyr
its mean 6 cast on 12 second timer.
loud wyvern
No need to dash in to get the stones back that way
unkempt zephyr
No need to dash in to get the stones back that way
@loud wyvern yup. for bows not HERA its probably best choose too.
and also Stygian Soul work very well with Ahilies spear. its not annoing run for crystals in every corner.
loud wyvern
Alright, thanks for the tips. Mostly stuck to infernal all the way through epilogue so I’m trying to play with the skills I shied away from
hushed sun
and also Stygian Soul work wery vell with Ahilies spear. its not annoing run for crystals in every corner.
Huh, three casts and a raging rush followed by a couple jabs usually kill most enemies for me
unkempt zephyr
Huh, three casts and a raging rush followed by a couple jabs usually kill most enemies for me
@hushed sun im usual kill all room with one cast.
with poseidon cast.
becaus i put poms not in cast. i put they in slam boons. with insane scailing.
hushed sun
no like I mean usually a combo and a raging rush will take you to where the bloodstones will drop anyways but
that's the more elegant solution, yeah
unkempt zephyr
my main combo for cast its Poseidon cast + artemis some were. becaus slam boons do damage. what can be better than know back to wall? second know back from mirage shot. and its can be x4 damage from slams. becaus 1 cast,second mirage shot and i have legendary from poseidon. its mean 4 know back effect from one cast. x4 damage on my slam boons.
and they already have insane base damage and insane scaling. with this x4 its....its killing miniboss in last zone.
marsh pumice
Poseidon can work on his own with his boons 
unkempt zephyr
yep. BUT if add to this, already madnes on screen ,Sea storm 🤣
unreal abyss
what builds allow for the fastest runs?
unkempt zephyr
its alote
what builds allow for the fastest runs?
@unreal abyss this is a whole niche of builds. you need find speed runers.becaus only if you see build you dont know how use it for speedruns.
Find on twitch Vorime or babloization
vernal bolt
my single favourite thing to do in this game
is excalibur
with nyx shawl
and chaos backstab boon
and shadow slash
and divine strike with exposure debuff
and do big chimpin 1200 damage backstab swings
if pressure points decides to be helpful then it's all the better
unkempt zephyr
its small unmount.This average.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/762593614974681098/unknown.png
max what i can do its 6.5k
vernal bolt
what build
because part of my satisfaction is using a holy righteous blade for a king
like some druggie behind tesco
just shanking dudes
opal rock
is the triple beam upgrade not supposed to do triple damage with the aspect of lucifer>
if you hit with all 3 on same target
crude salmon
opal rock
hmm. i am like 90% sure hte bow works like that
kind cloud
its small unmount.This average.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/762593614974681098/unknown.png
@unkempt zephyr
my main combo for cast its Poseidon cast + artemis some were. becaus slam boons do damage. what can be better than know back to wall? second know back from mirage shot. and its can be x4 damage from slams. becaus 1 cast,second mirage shot and i have legendary from poseidon. its mean 4 know back effect from one cast. x4 damage on my slam boons.
@unkempt zephyr
What weapon and aspect are you using to get the damage in the picture?
unkempt zephyr
Artur sword in pickture. not full build. full build can do 6.5k+
kind cloud
got it.
and what about the poseidon cast build you mention above? what weapon and aspect?
red mist
if only bosses could be slammed
kind cloud
if only bosses could be slammed
@red mist
they can
sort of
wriste has a good build that showcases how but it's on low heat
breaking wave is super useful
unkempt zephyr
and what about the poseidon cast build you mention above? what weapon and aspect?
@kind cloud you can use it on any.becaus main damage not from cast. it is from slam damage.
unkempt zephyr
but you can put poms in cast. and use it with any cast weapon. like talos(stygian soul),poseidon sword,ahilies(stygian soul), hera.
marsh pumice
that's why I love Styx floor with poseidon 
kind cloud
i tried poseidon cast on beowulf...didn't like it. but i figured not getting breaking wave and/or typhoon's fury didn't help. i took razor shoals instead of sea storm (just to try it out) and i was unimpressed.
i prefer dio cast on beowulf aspect (especially with ice wine duo). easy 2.5K damage with 4 casts (prometheus stone)
unkempt zephyr
i dont play Beo. its...not for me.
kind cloud
fair...we all have our preferences
unkempt zephyr
i try 1 time. and ...put it back on wall.
kind cloud
lol
beowulf's special with charged flight (before nerf from 400% to 200%) + aphro special was awesome.
unkempt zephyr
i be better do pos sword,or hera. i already have alote of fun with chaos and zeus shields. like doom crits on 2k
if lucky 3k
kind cloud
doom crits? how?
opal rock
pressue points
unkempt zephyr
base complex build must have 3 gods. to doom can crit you have 2 ways. its artemis+dio. its add crit chance. and another its Athena + artemis. its 20% chance to all attack after deflect.
and mark of artemis. doom take mark and do crit.
👍
kind cloud
got it. thanks!
unkempt zephyr
but befor try ...think how you maximaze uptime debuff on dio. or how you can deflect almost every time on athena. and btw Artemis+athena+ares have another combo. its ME. for dooms too
kind cloud
yeah, eris is great for merciful doom. as is zeus shield.
unkempt zephyr
eris btw. attack dio.special ares.artemis on call.
dio take benefit from ares too. its almost +40% damage from poison.
and you can take ares cast. any duo what you find in this combo be great.
hushed sun
Starting my second fresh file run now... wish me less pain
scenic sierra
what's the best build to go on Demeter's blessings with the spear?
hushed sun
Okay, what? I have deadly flourish heroic, heart rend, charged volley.
It one-shots soulcatchers for god's sake what is this busted nuke
empty veldt
what's the best build to go on Demeter's blessings with the spear?
@scenic sierra Try to go for serrated edge, making you stack freeze easily with it and substantially increase damage output. The slow helps mitigate the reduce dash range. Then proceed to getting arctic blast. Since most of Demeter's duo boons are cast based, you might wanna try to get her legendary
unless you're running Achilles, which demester's duocastboon would do well
especially ice wine
scenic sierra
ok ok thanks
half crater
achilles does pair pretty well with serrated edge
but i’m rubbish with spears so i shouldn’t give advice lol
empty veldt
achilles can work both with as cast build or attack build. But since its 4 fixed attack/cast, and it doesnt refresh the amount of cast/attack until you use them all up, cast build works better imo
empty veldt
sadly, Chiron can't get charged volley anymore
hushed sun
imagine that
empty veldt
It used to
red mist
hmm
hushed sun
Damn, now I see what the other guy meant by zag bow and charged volley is good
empty veldt
it is
But i prefer Twin shot
Twin + Flurry is the dream, but Twin + most hammers is good
empty veldt
Twin Flurry is actually insane and most importantly a lot more braindead
hushed sun
literally dash and click lol
empty veldt
It solves a lot of Zag bow weaknesses and also stun lock the enemies once you get through their armor
robust geyser
Question: which non-hidden, non-rail aspects benefit the most from being level 5 as opposed to 4?
I'm trying not to level things up to 5 that much because I don't think it's very cost-efficient, given that I don't yet have everything.
tidal edge
but it's fun-efficient to pump your favorite aspect to max level
fading fog
demeter fists are also pretty bad if you dont level them up a bunch, but are great when you do
robust geyser
Oh, alternatively I could level Zeus shield. I've only ever used it once, a long time ago.
half crater
hestia is another big one
fading fog
remember, you need to invest 5 TB into a weapon to gets its hidden aspect anyway
empty veldt
he did say non rail
half crater
oh rip i can’t read
tidal edge
I think zag shield needs all the damage it can get lol, so lvl 5 helps a lot
fading fog
imagine cowboy pistol lol
half crater
i feel like chaos and chiron are the only two that would really feel that difference
dense valley
Is that all you need for an aspect? Invest 5 TB?
fading fog
yeah, that and talk to the requisite NPC and also have guan yu revealed
dense valley
I've had them all except the shield for a while now and don't know what's going on there.
fading fog
you gotta talk to chaos for that one
half crater
the info for secret aspects is in a pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
dense valley
Oh sure fair enough, that makes sense. Everytime i talk to chaos now he's talking about ||Nyx|| so it's probably a priority of conversation thing.
half crater
for future reference
dense valley
Thanks!
fading fog
yeah gotta clear the backlog
tidal edge
I couldn't get shield 4 until ||chaos commented on me using his shield||, that's not mentioned as a requirement but 🤷♂️
empty veldt
Every hidden aspect has a respective NPC you gotta talk to for them to give you the passpharse to unlock it, for them to give you the passphrase, ||you must first get achilles to tell you about guan yu and unlock guan yu first||
half crater
i think you do need to be using the relevant weapon when talking to the relevant NPC
at least, for the ones you encounter mid run
but i’m not 100% sure
tidal edge
I don't think I was using bow when I unlocked bow 4 so IDK
but I think ||arty|| had commented on me using bow already at some point
half crater
from memory the convo for fists 4 would make sense if you weren’t using fists
proven osprey
Hey guys, I wanna give Ares a chance, what weapon would you suggest ?
fading fog
shield
half crater
doom or blade rift?
empty veldt
Shield, ares on attack, athena on special and dash, get merciful end.
exactly the same on fists as well
half crater
very different builds
fading fog
shield special is very good with ares, it turns a bad low damage move into a room clearer / weak enemy cleaner, esp in tartarus
empty veldt
Blade rift, any weapon with hunting blades
fading fog
and then i usually have a status curse on attack for priv stat bonus
proven osprey
doom first I think
half crater
Shield, ares on attack, athena on special and dash, get merciful end.
exactly the same on fists as well
@empty veldt ares on special is better, at least for chaos/zeus
half crater
special to apply, dash to proc is the fastest method on shield i’m pretty sure
empty veldt
since 1.0 but i might be mistaken
half crater
haven’t done it on new chaos actually
empty veldt
or u might still run doom on chaos special now not 100% sure
proven osprey
So Zeus ?
half crater
zeus works great for sure
empty veldt
or u can use malphon, same concept and principle
half crater
rail also works
fading fog
chaos is nerfed but i still love it
half crater
haven’t done it myself (that run went wild from rng) but i’ve seen it work
chaos is still fine
it was a good nerf; the kind that leaves things still working
fading fog
it does the cool voiceline commentating thing now
half crater
i think it’s done that for a while
proven osprey
I usually don't use shield so I'll try Zeus
half crater
zeus takes a bit to get the hang of, but once you do it’s really fun
proven osprey
so Doom on special, some other curse on attack, what else ?
dense valley
Zeus seems like it gets a lot better once you level it up
Base level was "idk about this one"
fading fog
dont do doom on zeus special
half crater
with doom level doesn’t really matter
proven osprey
oh really
half crater
levelling it just increases your base special damage, which is almost irrelevant
the level of zeus aspect, to be clear
the level of the doom still matters
level your doom as much as is practical
proven osprey
why no doom on special then, it spins like crazy
half crater
dont do doom on zeus special
@fading fog umm... doom on zeus special works great?
only with merciful end ofc
without that duo it would indeed be garbage
dense valley
Is merciful end the one that stacks doom?
half crater
nah that’s dire misfortune
Merciful End is the athena/ares duo boon
abilities that deflect insta proc doom
proven osprey
so divine strike then doom then get lucky with merciful end
half crater
and grab divine dash if you possibly can
dense valley
Ah ok thanks. Is there a reason why divine strike in particular is so good on shield/the duo works so well for it?
empty veldt
shield attack speed fast and has relatively wide arc
half crater
it’s alright, but in this case divine strike is mostly just a prerequisite for merciful end
your shooting for divine dash+ares special+ME, at which point the playstyle becomes dump beyblade on enemy and dash back and forth across them
the special constantly applies doom, and your dash constantly activates them
proven osprey
that seems great
empty veldt
assuming you get ME
half crater
the trouble is, ME was nerfed and now divine dash doesn’t work as a prerequisite
proven osprey
guess i'll die
half crater
so you need divine strike
proven osprey
yup, got it 
finite igloo
Hey, anyone here know much about how Hades (the boss)'s AI works
in terms of like, it seems like he switches to some very particular patterns, and I feel like maybe it can be manipulated?
because I've seen him get into loops where he does the heat rays repeatedly, or where he spams boiling blood nonstop
and it FEELS kinda like he is responding to/purposefully doing certain patterns
half crater
i think it’s just rng randomly cycling through possible moves
but idk, i was wrong about fishing being random so who knows
finite igloo
how's fishing done?
finite igloo
In what way?
half crater
basically, the flash will always comes directly before a bob
finite igloo
ah
half crater
and there will be a maximum of three bobs
finite igloo
I've played enough of this game that I'm starting to get more interested in the under the hood stuff
half crater
it was explained to me, but i haven’t encountered that many fish since so i might not be fully understanding it
finite igloo
220 hours on steam and probably a good 15+ hours on switch
empty veldt
running TD at high heat makes me miss so many fishing spots ahahah
hazy thicket
I think it can go up to 4 bobs
red mist
what start do I want for chaos shield?
dio seems good
but I might be missing out on something less obvious
hazy thicket
Also does anyone know if getting perfect catches for fish gets you better fish or is it just random
red mist
pretty sure it's the only way to get rare fish
empty veldt
wait, whats a perfect catch?
hazy thicket
I've always been a fan of zeus and spamming special but I'm sure theres better
If you catch the fish just as the bob goes down you get a perfect catch
finite igloo
Perfect Catch is just you hit a timing window on reeling it in just right and at the banner at the top says 'Perfect Catch' I have no idea if it improves the quality but its p. good
empty veldt
O.O
hazy thicket
It's an obnoxiously small window of time honestly
finite igloo
yeah I can't hit it reliably...
red mist
perfect catch requires some amount of anticipation
hazy thicket
I got it once cause it was the 4th bob and I knew that had to be the one but that was it
red mist
well thing is because the special doesn't necessarily all hit the same target it falls off
finite igloo
I think the best Chaos Shield flourishes are Dionysus, Zeus, and then maybe Poseidon aiming for Sea Storm (actually not sure if it triggers properly, Poseidon knockback didn't seemed like it triggered on chaos shields last time I got it??), and maybe you could do some sorta doom build??
red mist
it's a good way to bridge into boss fights but you still need a build that can dish it out later
finite igloo
basically, its a thing you want flat damage for probably...
red mist
well yes that much is clear
finite igloo
I think I've done Deadly Flourish on chaos shield too, as a desperation build but
i do not endorse that build
hazy thicket
I never actually got around to investing fully in the chaos aspect is it as good as I think it is?
fierce thicket
You have to invest to make it good
finite igloo
I haven't played much with hidden aspect, didn't care for it
yeah that's the thing too, chaos shield doesn't really work at level 1 or 2, you need to have lots of levels for its strength to show
empty veldt
fastest speedrun is with Sheild 4 iirc
hazy thicket
that surprises me
finite igloo
i know people perform well with it
empty veldt
shield 4 with trippy and ice wine iirc
proven osprey
Guys, the rng is influenced by the gods you chose right ?
I mean it's more likely to encounter Ades if you go for his boons
hazy thicket
yeah
half crater
yeah exactly; if you want a lot of zeus boons, avoiding picking up other gods can help, for example
proven osprey
that's really good
gilded nymph
anybody think there's a best aspect
tryna decide how to spend my blood on maxing 1 aspect
half crater
everybody thinks there’s a best aspect
gilded nymph
dam
half crater
no one agrees which one tho lmao
gilded nymph
lol
peak iron
The best aspect is the one you have the most fun playing with 
peak iron
Personally, I prefer || Aspect of Nemesis out of those, but you should choose the one that you have the most fun playing tbh. ||
peak iron
They are. Shooting Nuclear Missiles or screaming ONE PUUUUUUUUUUUNCH is a lot of fun.
half crater
i vote ||beowulf||
completely subjective tho
all those weapons are pretty high tier
||GY|| is harder to use tho imo
robust geyser
👁️👁️
half crater
@dense ore ||the 4th aspects of each weapon are all heroes from other mythologies||
robust geyser
||The best aspect is the excalibur, because it's a bazooka that looks like a sword.||
hazy thicket
I feel like upgrading ||guan yu|| might have relatively bigger impact? idk
dense ore
Oh. How to unlock them though?
robust geyser
Yeah, spear 4 only really works at level 5, to my knowledge.
empty veldt
@dense ore guide in pins
dense ore
THANK YOU, WILL CHECK!
gilded nymph
special gy build can work at higher heat
half crater
no EM no HL? hmm
empty veldt
Using Guan Yu special is quite safe
gilded nymph
yeah
half crater
maybe that’s why i don’t like GY lol
gilded nymph
I've used a special GY build with full poseidon is nuts
empty veldt
I prefer Aphro on GY special
empty veldt
Using special
gilded nymph
yeah
empty veldt
Literally the special
half crater
yeah but you still have no HP lol
gilded nymph
just use acorn
turbid needle
Damn, i wish i wouldn't have wasted my titan blood allready. -_-
half crater
just use acorn and git gud
hazy thicket
Damn I had a different experience with it then you did
turbid needle
I think a start a new savegame.
empty veldt
Also if u get charged special
hazy thicket
special felt real weak to me
empty veldt
Guan Yu Special hurts really really hard
hazy thicket
guess ill have to try it again then
half crater
GY special is definitely crazy good
empty veldt
500 damage easy with just special boons
half crater
it’s the rest of it that’s hard for me to manage
unkempt pagoda
no, they don't stick
half crater
no, because they don’t stick
unkempt pagoda
so hera's decreased dislodge time doesn't matter for them
half crater
but dio with hera is still pretty great, ‘cause the bow eliminates the lob
gilded nymph
is there a go to hera cast?
unkempt pagoda
trippy flare, imo
true shot if you want to lean into the dislodge time/exit wounds strats (though this is better with poseidon sword)
gilded nymph
what is trippy flare
unkempt pagoda
dio cast
unkempt pagoda
it's flare for hera, since it doesn't lob
unkempt pagoda
same for shield4
gilded nymph
oh ok cool
unkempt pagoda
i think there's a minor damage difference too
but practically they're the same, just one lobs and one doesn't
turbid needle
In your opinion what is the best aspect for the bow?
half crater
Hera is the easiest to play I’d say
proven osprey
update on my doom shield : not a single encounter of ares nor athena in the 2 last levels
half crater
but i don’t know whether it’s the best
use keepsakes to ensure you get the gods you want
proven osprey
I did
turbid needle
btw guys whats the channel for "help"
proven osprey
but only works once for both
turbid needle
cuz im having some issues
half crater
then use fated persuasion (if you have it) to ensure you get the boons you want
hazy thicket
what type of issues?
proven osprey
I use the other one
half crater
avoid picking up other gods where you can
proven osprey
I did that tho
half crater
oof
proven osprey
but that was quite unlucky
half crater
sometimes rng messes things up
proven osprey
never had this before
yeah, it's low heat anyway I should make it
I'll try again
Zeus is fun but weird ot use
half crater
yeah took me a bit to get into it
another build you can try on it is (as the name implies) zeus
zeus on special, try to get the legendary
also works really well
gilded nymph
I remember when 300 darkness upgrades were a lot
hazy thicket
Yeah I wasnt expecting those prices at the end
proven osprey
Yeah I tried Zeus with Zeus
unkempt pagoda
imo no, it's one of the worst
purely because it doesn't drop its bloodstones immediately
unkempt pagoda
other casts (such as passion flare) do similar damage but drop their stones immediately, letting you do another dragon rush right after
(passion flare is aphro)
gilded nymph
ok ty
slothful boons from chaos are so painful
like the others are manageable then there's this
empty veldt
no, the worst is the ones that are increase attack, but you get damaged everytime you attack
hazy thicket
I've become quite good at accidentally just exclusively using the attack that damages me
empty veldt
guess i'll die
gilded nymph
lol
those you can just tell yourself not to do
this one is like
oh have fun dodging with a broken leg and twisted ankle
jagged roost
anyone got a really good build for ||gilgamesh||?
proven osprey
@half crater I got merciful end !
forest locust
Hey guys, i spent my first 10 bloods into twin fist, I kinda regret it. Im thinking Aspect of Hades on the Spear. Is it good?
fierce thicket
@jagged roost ares attack, athena dash and merciful end. That's the only one lol
proven osprey
I was told today that you actually need athena attack to unlock merciful end, athena dash not being enough
forest locust
Also, Aspect of Demeter twin fist build?
valid forge
i believe that is not true, it should be any deflect
oh its strike or special
from athena
proven osprey
yeah
valid forge
and strike or special from ares
unkempt pagoda
divine dash was removed as a valid prereq in 1.0
unkempt pagoda
sudden rush imo
jagged roost
what merciful end activates doom on everyone when i deflect?
unkempt pagoda
it's all about how fast you can output damage
what merciful end activates doom on everyone when i deflect?
no, you have to apply doom first. then any ability that can deflect will immediately proc the doom
jagged roost
so i need to proc doom on someone already
valid forge
yes
jagged roost
but doom expires so fast
proven osprey
nah
forest locust
Is there a good website for builds 😦
jagged roost
true^
i wanna know too
i want to try all sort of them
experimenting hasnt been very favorable
valid forge
if you attack -> special or special attack or attack dash... etc ME is gonna be far faster than procing doom normally
proven osprey
- Impeding doom
random light
Also, Aspect of Demeter twin fist build?
@forest locust Artemis special, Zeus attack, double kick hammer or explosive upper
proven osprey
I just os third boss with two dashes
god that was quick
merciful end is incredible
random light
Try to get Clean Kill and Support Fire
valid forge
you can see my 16:52 merciful end run in #h1-victory-boasting if you scroll back to yesterday
half crater
@half crater I got merciful end !
@proven osprey yus!
valid forge
i wasnt even going that fast until I hit ME in elesium and proceded to one shot theseus, all of styx, then hades
random light
Demeter Fists are my fave lol use that core I just put in and you’ll love it too, Demeter fists from level 3 onwards are super awesome @forest locust
proven osprey
hm
come on even the sligthly "offensive" word is banned
well, ME is really something
valid forge
all swears seem to be banned :P
forest locust
Yeah I have level 3 @random light I'll try that build ty
half crater
well, ME is really something
@proven osprey first time i saw a streamer use it i thought they’d hacked the game lol
proven osprey
what other weapon could I use it with ?
unkempt scroll
Any recommendations on which boons to go for with the bow?
empty veldt
Things that can proc the doom fast @proven osprey
proven osprey
I'm thinking pew pew
empty veldt
For rail, might as well use zeus with eris or lucifer
Any recommendations on which boons to go for with the bow?
@unkempt scroll Depends on the bow, for Zag bow, since it has innate crit, go aphro on attack, artemis on cast/special and try to get heart rend duo boon
half crater
any fists, any rail and zeus are probs the best choices for ME
unkempt scroll
Innate crit?
empty veldt
@unkempt scroll for chiron, usually artemis on special, aphro on attack, heart rend duo boon. Demeter on special with Arctic blast works too
half crater
other stuff can work tho
empty veldt
Innate crit?
@unkempt scroll Oh, you havent reached there yet, once u can invest titans blood into weapons, the base bow can get up to 10% crit
unkempt scroll
Oh, okay. I do have some titan blood, but I'm in the middle of trying to beat the final boss with each weapon. So far 4/6
So I don't have so many to use :I
empty veldt
Most bow aspects are really strong with crit
Even Hera technically works with crit, but just go with casts ahah
unkempt scroll
Would the Aspect of Chiron be a good idea to get? I only have 8 titan blood
empty veldt
Chiron would shine at max upgrade
unkempt pagoda
chiron is great but you need a lot of investment first
empty veldt
which costs quite a bit comparatively
I would recommend maxing the base aspect of Zag bow first
unkempt scroll
So 8 isn't enough??
empty veldt
which only cost 5 blood to get that 10% crit chance
you need 15 total for max chiron
unkempt scroll
Oh, dang...
valid forge
hits really hard
empty veldt
really good
proven osprey
how 
valid forge
tests your ability to use bow cuz you gotta pick your shots carefully due to long charge time
proven osprey
yeah
empty veldt
With Bow4, you need to get out of the mindset of you have to do powershots
unlike Zag bow where you dash dance to get powershots everytime
Bow4, release when you need to
valid forge
spam dash strike, take the strikes you can take
hushed sun
if you have the time for a bow4 powershot you'd be better off cramming another attack in there
empty veldt
Get as many marks as you can with the special
hazy thicket
Of course with bow I can never not just spam special with zag aspect right up close
empty veldt
And try to line up as many enemies with mark with one attack
and the shared anguish damage would skyrocket
proven osprey
so I want to hit hard, aphro build ?
hushed sun
shared damage
empty veldt
Aphro or Artemis on attack is comparable
hushed sun
aphro for pure damage, crit build for big jackpot nuke
empty veldt
I personally like to go Artemis on attack, aphro on special and get Heartrend duo boon
Think of it this way, if your attack crits, your shared damage also crits ahahahah
hushed sun
also heart rend and crit'ing weakened enemies with ||shared suffering|| deals massive damage
empty veldt
also heart rend and crit'ing weakened enemies with ||shared suffering|| deals massive damage
@hushed sun which is why i love it
For Bow4? Yes
hushed sun
yeah, you get to see big numbers
proven osprey
I need so much blood
empty veldt
Everyone does
valid forge
bow is fun weapon but i keep on taking shield/sword/rail instead
proven osprey
I unlocked pretty much all 4th aspect but I'm so poor
empty veldt
Eris with zeus is nutty i’ll give u that
empty veldt
Bow’s the only weapon i got on 32 heat rn. Working on Rail and Spear next
hushed sun
Bow’s the only weapon i got on 32 heat rn. Working on Rail and Spear next
Man of culture
or woman*
warm shale
empty veldt
@warm shale On normal zag bow
Flurry + Twin is imo the best hammer combo
the other bows can't triple hit iirc
@hushed sun every bow can triplle
hushed sun
well one reason being never grabbing triple shot tho
I remember triple-shotting only working on bow4
empty veldt
For Bow4 its either
Twin + Chain imo
valid forge
i think you have to get extremely close for the normal bows
empty veldt
yes
valid forge
so while you technically can its somewhat infeasible
empty veldt
worst bow hammer upgrade is sniper shot tho
hushed sun
worst bow hammer upgrade is sniper shot tho
Beg to differ; crit build, perfect shot, sniper shot
but tbh there are other easier builds so fair enough
empty veldt
Sniper shot effective range is far too narrow for it to be good
Twin already blows away Sniper shot dps
2 hits is better than 200% damage
hushed sun
I can never get that blasted twin shot thing to work for me because goddang long charge time
empty veldt
?
Twin shot doesnt increase charge time
Thats explosvie mate
twin shot reduces range
hushed sun
it does, in terms of getting to the same shot distance
same charge-up time; decreased range
hence more charge-up per distance
empty veldt
Like you're not using power shot every single attack with zag bow lmao
Also if you haven't tried Twin + Flurry
hushed sun
and I usually take bow because I can't stand lags
twin flurry is a different story bruv
empty veldt
If you haven't tried Twin + Flurry
you havent lived
eitherway, twin + perfect or twin + chain also works great
hazy thicket
What a way to find out I dont exist
hushed sun
huh wait twin and explosive are compatible i never tried that
might be fun
Pyromaniac Zagreus
empty veldt
If you dont like melee range bow
then you'll hate that
Deals crap ton of damage, but its basically a shotgun
cause of long charge time
hushed sun
yeah basically sounds like melee bow to me
but might be fun dash-striking everything into oblivion
hazy thicket
Flurry is the attack jumps between enemies right?
hushed sun
also I tried zag shotgun build and that worked for me so
Flurry is the attack jump between enemies right?
what do you mean byattack jump
hazy thicket
important s I missed there huh
empty veldt
Flurry is the attack jump between enemies right?
@hazy thicket no thats chain shot that "chains" to other enemies. Flurry shot is the rapid fire bow but no powershots
hazy thicket
ahh right
hushed sun
but I still sorta prefer flurry on chiron because I can never land a hit on the daggum brightswords
jeez how many dashes they got
hazy thicket
I'm in love with relentless volley + concentrated volley what can I say
hushed sun
that's like the staple go to for chiron i guess
empty veldt
Thats the Chiron dream combo
stoic thicket
With Chiron I've always felt that Flurry messes up my aim more than not having it.
molten violet
can i damage hades when he is lasering? like if i do athena's call and go ham on him would that work lol
valid forge
yes
hushed sun
yup
molten violet
oh nice
hushed sun
definitely a very valid strat
valid forge
if its triple laser its actually rather easy to get behind him and whale on him
empty veldt
or if u have poseidon call and deal a crap load of damage
hushed sun
*that too
hazy thicket
Ironically wouldnt ||hades call|| be very powerful there?
gilded nymph
with nemesis, do I just stack artemis and kill everything
hushed sun
He really be annoyed when you odo that tho
empty veldt
I would run aphro on attack, artemis on special, since special gives innate crit, allowing you to take the higher damage modifier boon on your main attack
then try to get heart rend duo boon and clean kill from artemis
@gilded nymph ^
gilded nymph