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half crater Oct 4, 2020, 5:53 PM

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had that earlier today

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 5:53 PM

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thats 14 blizzard shots with mirage

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 5:53 PM

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good fun

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lmao

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man wish i'd had mirage

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 5:54 PM

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yea i wish that would happen again

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never seen hades melt so fast in my life

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 5:55 PM

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haha nice

snow furnace Oct 4, 2020, 5:55 PM

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poor dad

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 5:56 PM

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tbh i think blizzard shot is only ok for normal fights

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but somethings weird with hades

random light Oct 4, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Mirage Shot with Blizzard Duo is zagluv zagluv zagluv zagluv

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 5:56 PM

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probably has to do with his large hitbox and inability to be knockbacked

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so he just stands there and eats all the slow moving projectiles hitting him from inside out

rare stone Oct 4, 2020, 6:05 PM

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choiron bow and deadly flourish is so good

upper salmon Oct 4, 2020, 6:06 PM

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can you reroll into duos...?

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 6:06 PM

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yea

bronze sorrel Oct 4, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Yes

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 6:06 PM

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yes

upper salmon Oct 4, 2020, 6:06 PM

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just unlucky then

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remembered dialogue and wasnt sure

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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or reroll into legendary as well

bronze sorrel Oct 4, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Did you make sure you had the prereqs right? Some of them changed in 1.0

snow furnace Oct 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Yep and it helps to have your mirror oriented towards legendaries and duos

jaunty solar Oct 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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im curious about room rerolling, like if i reroll a god boon room can i take that god out of my pool for that run?

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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no

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you can reroll back to the same god too

snow furnace Oct 4, 2020, 6:08 PM

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You can’t force out of your pool with it if it’s already established either

jaunty solar Oct 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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lets say i never took that gods boon

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and i reroll that room to another god and enter it

snow furnace Oct 4, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Then the gods boons you’re are taking is part of your pool not the original one

bronze sorrel Oct 4, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Well you can avoid adding it to the pool in the first place by rerolling.

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Assuming you haven't taken it yet

snow furnace Oct 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Yes that’s what I’m saying

bronze sorrel Oct 4, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Ah gotcha

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 6:25 PM

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First run of beowulf and I'm trying to learn how to build/play it

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Went for aphro start and got passion flare and I'm pomming that

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Also got snow burst

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Apart from those two and cast boons from chaos

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What do I even get/go for

charred pilot Oct 4, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I completely don't understand how to use Rama in any way. Can anyone help?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I completely don't understand how to use Rama in any way. Can anyone help?
@charred pilot easy way its take demeter on special.

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 6:28 PM

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or dio or zeus

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:28 PM

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use special.slow oponents. and try perfect shot one of them with your mark

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 6:28 PM

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don't worry about power shots most of the time

charred pilot Oct 4, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Yeah the powershots threw me off a lot

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 6:28 PM

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play it like zag bow, except you fire a special for a damage boost

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:29 PM

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And use Dash-strike all time. its most easy. demeter on special+dash strike .

charred pilot Oct 4, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Cheers I'll give that a go again

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Alright got an epic frost floruish

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Do you recommend the upgrade to the bow that does the pulse?

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 6:32 PM

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as in the hammer?

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i don't think its that great

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 6:33 PM

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so I tried achilles with demeter cast and it melted bosses but it absolutely sucked vs normal enemies

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 6:33 PM

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if you can position yourself well in the first place, it’s not that useful

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:33 PM

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so I tried achilles with demeter cast and it melted bosses but it absolutely sucked vs normal enemies
@solid cairn Did you add boons for AoE for Demeter cast?

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 6:33 PM

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which ones are that

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:34 PM

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which ones are that
@solid cairn Give me sec. i find it in english

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 6:34 PM

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you get the chill on cast one and the explode on max chill stacks one

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can't remember what they're called lol

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Arctic Blast+Glacial Glare

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 6:35 PM

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yeah those

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 6:35 PM

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that seems like a lot of investment

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:35 PM

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@solid cairn I'll show you what it looks like so you don't doubt it.

half crater Oct 4, 2020, 6:36 PM

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i've never got it to work personally

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but i've tried literally once so it might not be ridiculously hard to get them all

indigo pulsar Oct 4, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Any suggestions for Achilles spear?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Any suggestions for Achilles spear?
@indigo pulsar poseidon cast or dio cast. and some thing with Hude base damage on attack(aphro,demeter,Athena). Or Athena cast + zeus for bouncing cast duo.

indigo pulsar Oct 4, 2020, 6:40 PM

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OK, thank you

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:40 PM

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its can be simle zeus cast.

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but put poms in cast

charred pilot Oct 4, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I see what you mean now by the special on demeter

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I see what you mean now by the special on demeter
@charred pilot How it feels?

charred pilot Oct 4, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Yeah the slow is more impactful and I can line up shots better

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before It felt like I was doing so much movement I couldn't stop to fire, now that they're slowed it's easier.

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 6:45 PM

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@charred pilot you can kill weak enemy with only special demeter.if you add Arctic Blast. its become very strong instrument on rama.

charred pilot Oct 4, 2020, 6:50 PM

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🤞 I get that

steady lintel Oct 4, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Is there a way to see how many monsters I've killed to see how far off from 10k I am?

stoic thicket Oct 4, 2020, 7:12 PM

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There's an upgrade for Zag's room that you can buy that will show you your total kills.

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The Scrying Pool, costs only 10 gems.

charred pilot Oct 4, 2020, 7:27 PM

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I won with that thank you @unkempt zephyr 😄

main zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 7:29 PM

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guys can you suggest rail build, cant enjoy this weapon at all, so may be i am doing something wrong ?

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 7:32 PM

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have you tried zeus attack on it?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I won with that thank you @unkempt zephyr 😄
@charred pilot Np

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guys can you suggest rail build, cant enjoy this weapon at all, so may be i am doing something wrong ?
@main zodiac Поставь себе на атаку диониса.Возьми аспект эрис.А на спэшл поставь ареса.попытайся найти дуо. и ты выиграл.

main zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 7:35 PM

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понял принял. Спасибо, дружище!

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 7:36 PM

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понял принял. Спасибо, дружище!
@main zodiac np

main zodiac Oct 4, 2020, 7:37 PM

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раз уж нашел помощь, то не очень могу определиться через что играть на копье Аида. Деметра/Афина/Афродита для большого процентного дамага?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Epic Aphro 100%,demeter 80,athena 80.

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I am actually so bad with achilles spear

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I have poseidon cast, 5 max casts, and mirage shot and I lost 2 death defiances to hydra

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it's lasting consequences man

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also it is so hard to dodge hydra EM2

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how do you dodge the slams on a small piece of land

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 7:46 PM

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special. i trow special. wait she deal slam,press special again.and after attack some. again trow special for dodje in needed moment.

stiff flume Oct 4, 2020, 8:05 PM

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i just had the ares legendary for the first time, plus his call

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did over 8000 damage to hades with greater call lmao

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pretty crazy

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:13 PM

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How do I fight em3 Theseus

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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try to burn asterius first, then chase him around and go ham when he stands still and gets confetti'd

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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So kill bull first?

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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yeah, i personally do that pretty much every time. you can still go for theseus first i guess, but asterius is much more actively oppressive with his targeted attacks and swings

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so i find it's best to get rid of him first

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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kill bull first makes the fight a lot easier. if you only engage it outside of Theseus' dash attack range you just have to manage the spears

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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we're talking about EM3 champions

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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oh sorry

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:17 PM

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where theseus does not use a spear for the first half

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no problem

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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goes back to his em2 runs

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@mighty ermine does Theseus just randomly drop bombs on the outer area of the arena

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Is that his only move above half health?

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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he also does a bullet blitz across the center of the arena

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Also how do I tell apart the big spin attack from the bull, and the normal swing swing jump attack?

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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and can sometimes slowly run through the middle while dropping bombs instead

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Seems like they have the same wind up animation

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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So, what aspects do you guys like for the shield and the fists?

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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the big, long swing has a longer startup

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and asterius audibly grunts/readies himself for it

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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So, what aspects do you guys like for the shield and the fists?
@turbid needle Demeter on fist is my choice

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Chaos shield is good but I find it boring

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Beo is fun

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I’m not good with it but beo is fun

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and asterius audibly grunts/readies himself for it
@mighty ermine alright ty

thorny basin Oct 4, 2020, 8:20 PM

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dammit. got hit litereally last second and died on the elysium boss <.< I had such a good build too. concentrated relentless charon with artemis special and doom attacks with like 4 special damage boosting passives

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chiron*

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:21 PM

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I'm only in the 7-12 heat with my weapons but I prefer Beo shield and Zag fists @turbid needle . I have tried everything but the special fists

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not the secret fist, the one that buffs special

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Demeter is pretty insane

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Especially when u get raw damage up like aphro on special

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But again why not go for merciful end

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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yeah, while zag fists definitely still work, i'd recommend trying demeter aspect. you won't really miss the dodge from zag and charged specials are incredibly worth it

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especially with a good flourish like deadly or heartbreak

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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stacking dodge with plume though

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Who’s special is deadly flourish

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Artemis?

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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artemis

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Never tried that I should try it sometimes

random light Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Artemis Special + Demeter Fists

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I’ve always went for Zeus keepsake for the lightning attack

random light Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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try it

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I haven’t tried anything else

random light Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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it's a wonderful experience

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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it's great; each separate hit of the charged special has its own chance to crit

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Talons is the one i haven't tried

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I feel like fist struggles a bit without Zeus attack

random light Oct 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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it does

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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if you want more variety, try taking heavy knuckle, since it enables more +% centric attack boons

random light Oct 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Is Heavy Knuckle the three hit slow knuckle?

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I did that on Demeter once

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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yeah, with higher base damage

random light Oct 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I don't recommend it for Demeter

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Since you wanna charge your special quick

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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it's not terrible on demeter

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Yea it’s kind of contradicting with Demeter

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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i've run with it on high heat just fine

random light Oct 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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it's not terrible, but definitely not ideal

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takes 5ever to stack that special up

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:26 PM

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you can build demeter as attack-focused fists with the charged special as occasional supplement, but yeah, it doesn't gel with the gimmick nearly as much as without

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:26 PM

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If I want attack build I’ll just play talos

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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i'm still not a big fan of the pull special, myself

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Me either

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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and you miss out on charged specials entirely

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Demeter fan I see

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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yes lol

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Good taste

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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what's your preferred boon for Cluster Bomb pairing

proven osprey Oct 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Is it me or spamming special with bow 4th aspect is more efficient than using its unique ability ?

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:30 PM

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special feels like the best part of all the bows but Hera

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:31 PM

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ah yes, the Zagreus bow special thats like shooting your enemies with foam darts unless used at point blank

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best part of Zag bow

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Is it me or spamming special with bow 4th aspect is more efficient than using its unique ability ?
@proven osprey Try use demeter special. its help alote. and with Arctic Blast you can spam to kill weak enemy. or just when alote enemy.

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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the dash backstab special @crude salmon, yes i recommend shotgun style play

proven osprey Oct 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I'll try it

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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shotgun style literally ruins the entire purpose of using a ranged weapon

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especially one that has as high of a damage output as the bow does

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:33 PM

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does it matter if they are all dead and the damage is high

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But yes, I don't prefer Zag bow but that is how i tend to play it when I run that bow over the others

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 8:33 PM

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@proven osprey best way its use special 1-2 times. and do 1-2 Dash strikes perfect shots in marked enemy.

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:34 PM

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not as high as you'd get just dash power-shotting

gusty birch Oct 4, 2020, 8:34 PM

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it just feels like im better on the other aspects damage wise over zag bow if i'm doing dash shots

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Good eris builds?

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I’ve always just went for Zeus attack

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Artemis and Dio attack are good as well

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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zeus attack is still potentially the best for eris, but dio works well too

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Ares attack if you can get the stacking doom is always good for Exagryph

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I’m getting bored of always taking Zeus attack

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Imma try dio

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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eris insane with Dio attack and ares special. and duo insane. add artemis for crits Duo with DIonis.

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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basically anything that stacks a status effect

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or lets you crit

wooden belfry Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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I'm probably 2-4 heats in for most weapons and I'm still unsure where aphrodite boons fit in

copper harbor Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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am I wrong for just always going with zeus attack on rail? feels very op

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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they give the biggest damage @wooden belfry

wooden belfry Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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I keep ending up with like... chill/poseidon/dio builds

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hmm

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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i avoid zeus attack on rail ngl

copper harbor Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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and going for the stacking ares feels like relying a bunch on rng

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Actually imma try Lucifer

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For the prophecy

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What’s a good build of fluffier?

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Lucifer

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Dio

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Same old stuff?

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Dio or Demeter

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:39 PM

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aphrodite works on anything with high base damage, since her +% is the highest of those gods for both attack and special @wooden belfry

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:39 PM

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~~aspect of fluffier~~

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Haha

wooden belfry Oct 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Thats good to know. I normally haven't checked the actual base damage increases other than artemis crit things, which i know aren't amazing on low damage attacks like fists but it still adds up.

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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if you can get the thing that makes people explode when you stack 10 chill on them you just start deleting things with Lucifer + Demeter attack

wooden belfry Oct 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Thanks though! Need to experiment with aphro more, the short cast really turned me off but I know that it can get bumped up as well

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 8:40 PM

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its called Arctic Blast boon

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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yeah, crush shot is rather situational. strong, but wants you to somewhat change your playstyle to accommodate, especially if you're using ranged

worldly trellis Oct 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Zeus attack on lucifer is great too

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:42 PM

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zeus rail is so boring

copper harbor Oct 4, 2020, 8:42 PM

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zeus rail feels like cheating

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:43 PM

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oh, lucifer + support fire is super fun

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you get an extra beam but its made of arrows

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 8:53 PM

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zeus attack on eris is amazing

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the damage bonus from the special really ramps it up

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plus it allows you to get smoldering air very easily

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btw, poseidon cast is way better than i thought it would be

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:55 PM

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none of the casts are bad, just some take a support boon to make good

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ok Zeus cast is pretty bad

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 8:55 PM

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not necessarily

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:55 PM

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*compared to the other casts

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 8:55 PM

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it is used in speedruns

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ares cast is pretty lacking without hunting blades and/or vicious cycle

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:56 PM

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its not "bad" but compared to the other casts nothing can really buff it up well besides cast damage ups

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yeah Ares is the hardest to make work besides Zeus imo, but once you get either of those it does huge damage

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 8:57 PM

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ares cast is one of the few casts you dont need a a duo imo

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demeter + arty is needed for normal encounters

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dio is just pog all around

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Demeter cast isn't meant for normal encounters, its meant to melt bosses

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 8:58 PM

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ye

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 8:58 PM

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crush shot is great

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 8:58 PM

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crush is one of the weaker casts

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Poseidon cast and Artemis cast are my favorites

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 8:58 PM

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especially after nighty night update

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Dio is fun too but its kinda annoying to play around the travel time

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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travel time?

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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the arc

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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its got the mortar thing like the Exagryph special

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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ahhh

mighty ermine Oct 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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which ice wine solves squirtdevious

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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ye

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 8:59 PM

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tbh i only run dio cast with hera

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:00 PM

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i just had an Exagryph run with Lightning Strike + Epic Dionysus cast + Zeus Legendary + Dio/Zeus Duo

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lots of lightning

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:00 PM

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tbh i only run dio cast with hera
@void fjord Dio cast save the day to any melee weapon.

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:01 PM

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lol i usually ignore casts on melee weapons

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maybe take true shot

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or deadly shot whatever its called

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the ideal exagryph run

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:02 PM

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athena cast is just okay

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:02 PM

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i believe the exagryph was made for zeus runs

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its good cast to take to fill it up

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or sell

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:02 PM

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just take green cast bonus from mirror and + Dio cast extremly good. 100% uptime for fog. and dont need go to take cast crystals.

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and i dont say about decreasing damage in Fog. and about Duos.

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:03 PM

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fod?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Fog)

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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ah lol

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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SHEESH

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Festive Fog seems super good

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Lucifer with dio attack and support fire

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Insane damage

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Like, it's one of my faves

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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And ares impending doom on special

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Lucifer with dio attack and support fire
brrrrrr

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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zeus attack is better. dio on attack is lot of wasted potential

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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it really isn't

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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only 5 staack

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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especially on Lucifer

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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zeus in a way doubles ur dmg

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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yeah and Exagryph makes sure those stacks are always maxed

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Does anything trump Demeter on the Fists?

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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and u get jolted and his legendaries pretty easily

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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fist aspect is preference

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:05 PM

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yes

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some like talos

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Oh, sorry. I meant Demeter's boon to attack

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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i like zag aspect

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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i can't stand demeter, its my only aspect still at level 1 besides the "load a cast" aspects

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Because you can apply some fat stacks of chill

worldly trellis Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Zag fist + plume is dusaHeart

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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all fists are basically the same to me with merciful end

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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demeter is a good one especially with arctic blast

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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@worldly trellis I like that a lot

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:06 PM

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ah, Demeter, Dio, Zeus can all work well for fist attack

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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lol @crude salmon thats ur problem

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Arctic Blast is 10 stacks -> explosion?

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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u need to lvl it up for it to be beatiful

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yes

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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i have seen it fully leveled

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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I got the Legendary where foes pop at 10% health and that was hilarious

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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i reset it back cause i thought it was stupid

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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i luv it

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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what

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:07 PM

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i use Zag or ||Gilgamesh|| when using fists

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:08 PM

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lol even though i played for so long , still dont hafve 4th aspect fists

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I dont understand what's unlikeable about demeter fists

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:08 PM

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they aren't fun to me

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:08 PM

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asterius rng is horrible for me

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which is both good and ba

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:08 PM

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i don't like having a restriction set on the main ability of the aspect

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Where does Zag's fists cap at?

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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restriction?

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15% if im not mistaken

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Dodge is pretty awesome. Plume, +Dodge Dash, and Fists

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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havent played hades in a hot minute

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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it is 15%

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Run into Hermes minimum twice per run and you're looking at some sweet Dodge %

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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when it was level 5 did you use artemis special

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I really like Zag's aspects. I was super bummed when I learned that I had to spend on other aspects to unlock the legendaries

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Zag Aspects cap at 15%/25%/15 damage/10%/15%/+12 bullets going from left to right

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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lol arty special on demeter is aspect is not worth it

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I really like Zag's aspects. I was super bummed when I learned that I had to spend on other aspects to unlock the legendaries
you don't

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oh wait

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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aphro special is all you need

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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ignore me

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brain smooth

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:11 PM

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or just merciful end

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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merciful end can't be reliably obtained

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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its ez to get

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get ares attack and athena special

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thats it

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Is Darkness useless once you get to end game?

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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if you save your rerolls it's not uncommon

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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It doesn't seem like the Broker has anything to trade for Darkness

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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well you can rank up your status with that one guy

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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in a way yea

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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rerolls are expensive

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i've got 100 hours and only have one reroll charge lol

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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but its a long ways away

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I have 148 and almost maxed mirror

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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both sides?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Darkness need for Rang. and alote. and 3k for nix

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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yes

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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tbf the game deleted like half my mirror levels going into 1.0

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I feel like I get about 400-550 Darkness per run

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:14 PM

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@unkempt zephyr the nyx bit is spoiler

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run at higher heats lol

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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heat doesn't increase darkness anymore afaik

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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i only farmed darkness to get the mirror ralents i want

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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that was old heat

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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yea but you get more bounties

wicked tree Oct 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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hey are there generally "best" aspects for each weapon or is it pretty contested?

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:15 PM

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im saying to stop farming lol

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its preference based

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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its preference yeah

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aka ||Excalibur|| best

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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some ppl love chiron aspect, i find it horrendous

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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dusa

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I just use whatever is glowing dark and get after it. But I just beat Hades on 19 and am now experimenting with heat

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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lol

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ah nice

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all weapons?

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Fists w/ Demeter

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:16 PM

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try with all

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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So I still have another.... 7 blood I could farm

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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my personal favs are ||Arthur||, Zagreus, Zagreus, Chiron, ||Gilgamesh||, Hestia

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from left to right

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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But I don't see why not push it up and get some more diamonds and ambrosia

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Plus it's more fun

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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How do I use Rama

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Need to do it for prophecy

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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uh, zero heat and hope you get the +attackspeed hermes boon

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i hate Rama

wicked tree Oct 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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you mean how to unlock it? or use it well?

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Use it

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I really like it

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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an ez to use build is zeus special and ares or aphro attack

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Seems weird, idk if I should be attacking or special

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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attack

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Am I suppose to go for power shot?

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Seems way too slow

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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both.

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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lol rama is my fav aspect

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Preach

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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dont power shot

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Trying to close out the prophecies on the boons

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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its to slow

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try to hit it

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:18 PM

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No, definitely power shot sometimes, but yeah, far from necessary

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Aight

stray coyote Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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But it's so hard to pass up Aphrodites. She hits hard and her debuff is awesome

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Imma take Zeus for special first, and then force aphro attack

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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read about aspect. in window with aspect. you mark enemy with special. Do 1 shot and probably all with marks die.

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Don't do it unless you're comfortable though. You can only play from much closer up than Bows

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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i suggest getting explosive shot and twin shot

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the bow suddenly becomes a melee weapon

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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read about aspect. in window with aspect. you mark enemy with special. Do 1 shot and probably all with marks die.
this only works for like the first floor unless its maxed out

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:22 PM

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It works if you have good attack. and deal perfetc shot.

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:22 PM

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yeah but the power shot window for rama is stupid

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its a bit better on dash shot

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it you get blue rarity attack speed boon it makes it almost regular bow speed on dash strike

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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1 normal pefect shot or 2-3 dash strikes

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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the thing is you dont rly power shot with rama

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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i pref 1 shot

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Lol, Rama is not really a weapon about doing 1 thing though, you just kinda play it by ear

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:23 PM

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i just completed my rama prophecy and its now in the same pit Beowulf is in, aka "this was some of the least fun i've had with this game so i'm never touching this weapon again"

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:24 PM

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You can do builds that have supporting special damage with Hangover of Lightning too

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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dio special with ares attack with their attack is pretty good with rama

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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ares attack on rama zaglol

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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beowulf is something you have to get used to

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what?

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I've done Ares attack on Rama, it's not that bad.

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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ares attack on rama is one of the few decent attacks on it

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I'd prefer Heartbreak with relentless volley if you want to focus on Hangover damage, but yeah

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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rama have best base damage in game. impruved with special. Dont waste this with ares,dio,zeus on rama attack.

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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i feel relentless volley makes rama worse

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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@crude salmon Lol, you might want to actually like... play with the weapon for more than a run before passing judgments like that

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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pass

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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K

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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thing is that good base dmg is good for ares for ares to kill it on doom

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 9:27 PM

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i mean, its more likely that i'll run it again than running Beo

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that Beo run straight up almost made me stop playing the game altogether it was so un-fun

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:28 PM

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beo is something you def need to get used to with how casts work

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:28 PM

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on my hands rama do 2-3k pet shot on attack to ONE target.and sharing this with special. i dont know Why you take ares for attack.

hearty elbow Oct 4, 2020, 9:29 PM

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i feel relentless volley makes rama worse
@void fjord Pretty sure some majority of my runs end up being Relentless Volley + Hangover lol, but that was mostly in Blood Price. It isn't as necessary in 1.0, since attack hammers are so much better. But if you're going for Low Tolerance, you really want Relentless Volley to not make it a huge pain to reach cap

void fjord Oct 4, 2020, 9:29 PM

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eh

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im used to it

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being bad

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:45 PM

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ok i give up trying to play well with cast builds it just isn't happening

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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i felt the same way when I tried cast, I've never managed to get a really good cast build

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best ive gotten is getting posiden demeter duo which did a ton

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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zeus+ purple guy

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if u get duo

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it deals

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gross dmg

solid cairn Oct 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I've had good cast builds I just can't use them well

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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wtf why is hak here

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:47 PM

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hey!

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my gf bought the game for me

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and i just beat it

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:D

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:48 PM

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:D

errant narwhal Oct 4, 2020, 9:48 PM

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i just got sunken treasure three times in one run today... thanks poseidon

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:48 PM

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im grinding this game for 100% achievements rn

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:48 PM

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iim trying to get

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4th aspect

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no idea how, and i just beat everything

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:49 PM

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yo same im missing railgun and fists

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uh invest some blood and talk to achilles... a lot

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took me forever

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:49 PM

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yeah i invested

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hopefully I'll get them soon, i'm off to play some more

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:50 PM

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to get every 4th aspect you need

errant narwhal Oct 4, 2020, 9:50 PM

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you can check the pins in #h1-story-discussion for instructions on how to get the 4th aspects!

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 9:50 PM

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are there any solid bow builds?

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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quite a lot

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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@delicate depot ||spend total 5 blood in weapon class.dothen matter about were. just spend 5 blood inside weapon class. its open way to take 4th aspect of this weapon.||

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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like what

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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yeah bow works well with a decent amount of things

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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like which aspect with what boons/hammers

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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yeah i've done that already, I just guess i was impatient. need to wait more.

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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basically anything meaty on the attack and anything that applies procs on the special

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:51 PM

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@unkempt zephyr

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||zeus did comment my rail, so it's coming soon hopefully ❤️||

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 9:52 PM

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with what aspect treecko?

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 9:52 PM

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any tbh

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doest make much of difference

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chiron makes stuff like hangover a lot better on the special tho

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:52 PM

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you can go with ares + the cast loading aspect

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if you get the seeking cast

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it can deal 2k dmg

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 9:54 PM

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which ares boons?

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Zag bow:

Wants Heartbreak Strike and Hunter Dash, but any damage modifier god on attack will do
Twin Shot is the basic go-to for any attack build
Flurry Shot is also very good
Chain Shot + Triple Shot is great crowd control
Explosive Shot is great but you need to watch out for the slower charge time (Twin Shot counteracts this with its reduced range)
Point-Blank Shot, Sniper Shot, and Perfect Shot are secondary hammers if you can't find the above (But Sniper Shot kinda sucks so try not to take it)

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 9:54 PM

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oh

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thanks

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 9:55 PM

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don't go special builds on zag bow, save them for chiron

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Dear lord

delicate depot Oct 4, 2020, 9:55 PM

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@gilded nymph the cast + cast seeking boon

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I have higher dps if I just hold down special

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Than attacking

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Ok rama

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 9:55 PM

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chiron wants relentless volley + concentrated volley. dio and demeter (for arctic blast) would be my top two picks for it

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hera is dependent on your cast build, but can pull off a mean hybrid attack/cast build if you build it right

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Does dio and Demeter special on Chiron instantly apply multiple stacks?

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I’ve always went for sea storm or heart rend on Chiron

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 9:56 PM

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yes

deep vault Oct 4, 2020, 9:56 PM

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yea

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you can breeze through bosses if you go frost stacks on special and cold nova

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+Hammer with the "special fires more arrows" upgrade

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 9:57 PM

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bow4 is both a super zag bow and a great chiron-like. this is one where you build attack, special, or even both and have it be viable

deep vault Oct 4, 2020, 9:58 PM

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I just had a run with Zeus special on Bow 4

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wish I had gotten the legendary zeus boon tho

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 9:59 PM

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I had that exact run

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Zeus special on bow 4

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With legendary

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And the chance for lightning to strike twice

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And jolted

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 9:59 PM

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For attack builds, build Bow4 like Zag Bow but be sure to set up with your special first. For special builds, you want Relentless volley with Dionysus or Zeus, and just spam it constantly. Hybrid builds do Relentless + any attack hammer (unlike pure attack builds that can do two attack hammers)

deep vault Oct 4, 2020, 9:59 PM

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yea I got all of that except for Zeus legendary

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got any fun ideas for the bow that lets you load in casts?

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

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a great chiron-like
also i say this because while chiron is amazing single target damage, bow4 special can do both crowd control and single target

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

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also what aspects would hera bow use?

deep vault Oct 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

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I usually go for Fog but thats getting boring

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

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do cast boons work on the normal shot

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

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For Hera, I normally go Trippy Flare with both duos (Scintillating Feast and Ice Wine)

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But literally any cast can work on it. True Shot has easy access to Exit Wounds and Fully Loaded

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Hera's power is in supreme burst damage that's safe and getting your casts back to you quickly

deep vault Oct 4, 2020, 10:02 PM

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and what is good on Shield 4? I used poseidon cast last time with the double push back which was fun but felt not intended lol

unkempt pagoda Oct 4, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Well, I say any cast, but that's not true. Don't use Crystal Beam on it unless you're specifically going for Cold Embrace.

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Shield4 I take Passion Flare if I want to go cast build.

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:04 PM

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For me for hera best be poseidon cast + one boon for slam damage + legendary.Becaus 1 shot with 1 cast almost clear room. And i can add zeus to this. or can add artemis. or both.

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i deffenetry can do every thing with this. becaus poseidon legendary do second proc of sea storm. and mirage shot dont do huge damage.But its another know back effect and with poseidon legendary it 2 know back effects. in total ONE cast do x2 slams.and mirage do another x2 slams. base damage on slams boon 100. epic 200. that mean my cast minimum do 400 damage from slams. 800 at epic. if i take 2 boons its 1600. and i dont add base cast damage and Sea storm procs for this. and lvl for slam boons damage.

fading fog Oct 4, 2020, 10:08 PM

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hey does ||Persephone's|| keepsake activate for every room in styx?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:09 PM

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yep

smoky atlas Oct 4, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Preach brotha

next moss Oct 4, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Sadly hermes doesn't

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:23 PM

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it is very sad that many ppl underestimate Poseidon and Dionysus.

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Dio bad

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Poseidon worse

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Artemis and aphro best girl

narrow rampart Oct 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Dio
Bad

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pick one

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Dio is bad

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👍

narrow rampart Oct 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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fight me in the elysium arena

lapis parrot Oct 4, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Anyone have tips for asterius phase 2? With phase 1 it's pretty consistent, charged swing -> leap -> charged swing -> leap combo -> quick swing -> repeat but phase 2 idk i can't consistently read when he throws out his backwards overhead swing when I'm trying to backstab him, his attack pattern also seems random

onyx parcel Oct 4, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Why damage over time when u can do beeg nombers with crit

narrow rampart Oct 4, 2020, 10:26 PM

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why not both

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:26 PM

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jump to him.when he try jump to you.

narrow rampart Oct 4, 2020, 10:26 PM

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dio/arti duo boon

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:27 PM

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and jump through colloms to he slam in them

lapis parrot Oct 4, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Yeah the telegraphed attacks arent really the problem, the random overhead swings with no tell gets me

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:28 PM

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just dont try attack him 100% time. wait window for this after swing+jump if you with melee weapon.

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Why damage over time when u can do beeg nombers with crit
@onyx parcel Mb you dont know about crits on Dio. when every 0.5 second its crits on all targets 300-400+ damage)

lapis parrot Oct 4, 2020, 10:34 PM

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also Dio is great, trippy shot is such a good cast

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:39 PM

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If combo dio artemis with mark,and duo with ares or duo artemis+athena. and some dio boons. enemies simply dissolve.and Call income insane.

crude salmon Oct 4, 2020, 10:40 PM

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mark bad

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 10:41 PM

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holy moly hera bow is nuts

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 10:42 PM

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any thing bad if dont know how use it efficient.

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I have lvl 4 trippy flare, +1 cast

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then some other stuff like support fire and pressure points

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using 4 casts on a target does over 1k

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I have GOTTA unlock the hera bow to know what trippy flare does. People talk about it AL L THE TIME

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Dio's trippy shot is SO good for patching holes in other weapons that don't have any good area control or good range

gilded nymph Oct 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

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you shoot the bow

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if it hits something, it uses all tripy shots instantly

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you know the boon from hermes I think that allows instant casting?

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its like that but built into 1 bow shot

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I just beat hades for the first time without getting hit using this bow

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just use 3 casts and shoot once, kite and dodge, pick up casts and repeat

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oh you can't share images here :/

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 10:59 PM

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quick one ,what to buid on Guan Yu?
i sometimes like taking demeter on heavy weapon to level the battle field just to realize it doesnt stack as much as fast weapon

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Guan Yu very flexible. you can build almost every thing. good base damage. special already have AoE. individual spin.

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healing!

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:01 PM

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i mean you can build almost anything on low heat
i mean some more flexible, consistence build that work on high heat like 16+ or someting

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:01 PM

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some people here said artemis special on demeter fists but don't you need athena special to get ME? I feel like nothing surpasses ME in terms of dps/speed for fists

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For GY aphro/artemis special with charged skewer hammer

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:02 PM

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i mean you can build almost anything on low heat
i mean some more flexible, consistence build that work on high heat like 16+ or someting
@turbid needle Any.if you know how use any thing

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:02 PM

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is best imo

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I'm getting massive mileage out of Sisyphus's keepsake btw guys

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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very very safe, big damage and one of the best aoe clears

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Shackle is actually very strong lol

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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shouldnt normal attack have aphro or artemis
while special have something else like Zues?

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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No

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You just kill everything with 400 dmg specials

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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like

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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even this can work well of combo this.

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I'm avoiding the blessings which focus on attack, special, and cast

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and my damage output is going up thanks to focusing on other boons

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Take fiery presence (green mirror talent) and if you go for high confidence too

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you oneshot almost everything

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with special

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Artemis special on Guan Yu? so what for attack?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Zeus special can have Radius boon.double strike an joltet. legendary and becomes room clear instrument

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:04 PM

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attack is irrelevant

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if you do special build

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artemis is good but I prefer aphro

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Since aphro still one shots most and is more consistent

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Matters hammer ups for Guan Yu. you must create build around hammer ups. they very change game style

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:05 PM

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yeah if you're doing charged skewer special build you almost never attack

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Only if you need to heal on the last monster in a room with a low charged spin

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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btw

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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but that's slow

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if you want to go fast just don't use attack

turbid needle Oct 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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does it matter if I get constantly bereft with common boons as opposed to rare or epic ones?

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eh ill take aphro special and poseidon attack on GuanYu for a try

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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if you want an attack get like

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athena for deflect i guess

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you want athena dash anyway

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then just keep dashing back and throwing specials

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Oh you could try for smouldering air maybe

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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i dont take athena dash. almost never. only for ME build. any think can be good at Guan Yu. that why penalty its HP.

unkempt scroll Oct 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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What boons do I need to make attack speed setup work better?

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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But if not exp. take aphro for increse HP pool more.

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What boons do I need to make attack speed setup work better?
@unkempt scroll weapon?

unkempt scroll Oct 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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The sword, with the aspect of Zag

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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and what you wana? just do more damage from attacks?

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Or make them faster?

unkempt scroll Oct 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Idk? It worked like crap against the final boss, for me at least...

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I got the Crystal Clarity duo! ... with 70 health left and no remaining death defiances in the last area

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I think.... I'll go for the lighting rod one because there's no way I'm gettin' outta here

eternal slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Given the choice between Hermes and Chaos, which do you take?

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:13 PM

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WoW the artemis/demeter duo is amazing

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uhhhhh depends

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I like hermes if I am running a call because the auto-call is amazing, and if i have a great dash for multiple dashes

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also, if it's really early on I take chaos becuase I can deal with a downside in tartarus way better than later

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Idk? It worked like crap against the final boss, for me at least...
@unkempt scroll You need learn how create build. Lear gods. every god good. but need to know how use hes boons and how play with them. base combo its attack of artemis. and aphro special on Zag sword. and need duo and more crit damage.crits do more damage aganis armor.

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:14 PM

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also, Chaos never really changes your gameplay that much, only really gives you more

eternal slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Entrance to Asphodel, Artemis deflect dash, with a Thread of Ariadne

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Athena deflect dash?

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artemis gives you bonus dash strike damage

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100% go hermes

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multiple athena deflect dashes basically renders you immune, to damage

frigid canyon Oct 4, 2020, 11:15 PM

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wow i am pissed

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:15 PM

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I don't actuallyr emember what upgrading the zag aspect of zag sword does

eternal slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:15 PM

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woops, yeah Athena lol

frigid canyon Oct 4, 2020, 11:15 PM

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i was getting consistent 3k crits with excalibur

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then hades just let me go

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was really looking forward to spanking him with it

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Zag sword is like, faster attack speed or something

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:16 PM

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wait you didn't even hafta fight? wicked

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ohhh ok

soft oasis Oct 4, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Hey, I was wondering what's some good advice for spendind titan blood on? Just unlocked PoP and wondering if there's a smart way to spend? Like how high is the scaling on each aspect vs how many other things do you need to do to unlock all the different and hidden ones? Im kind of just hoarding things rn.

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I like aspect of nemesis

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I remember seeing someone say that the fast-swing hammer special, the zeus attack, and the other zeus stuff (if your boons zap someone you get an additional shock on them) turns you into a blender

solid vapor Oct 4, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Cursed Slash is stupid good. I'm only a few runs in and I already took out two bosses so far 👀

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I haven't put enough juice into aspect of nemesis to make it really pan out that well

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I actually like cursed slash a lot even though other people don't so much

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I haven’t really picked up cursed slash cause I don’t really like feeling squishy

solid vapor Oct 4, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I've always loved lifesteal mechanics, especially in roguelikes/lites

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I had the lifesteal gauntlet stuff and that was real good

eternal slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:17 PM

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holy cow he gave me 3 extra dashes lmao

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Nice

solid vapor Oct 4, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Admittedly I didn't have to feel too squishy so far cuz I picked it up early in the run and have found a buncha Centaur Hearts to compensate 😅

brisk plaza Oct 4, 2020, 11:20 PM

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@soft oasis some weapon aspects dont need much titan blood to be effective eg. Hera, Poseidon, Talos so those would be good to try out. Otherwise I would look up how some of the others work and upgrade the ones you find fun. I really enjoy Nemesis, Achilles, Chiron, Eris and Hestia

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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What does Poseidon aspect even do if you invest blood

brisk plaza Oct 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Passive increase in cast damage

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Oh ok

brisk plaza Oct 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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its good but not essential

soft oasis Oct 4, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Thanks Jun! That sounda like a good idea. During first clear I spent all the blood on some randoms by accident so I will check those out-!

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Some randoms: rail of zagreus for no reason

brisk plaza Oct 4, 2020, 11:25 PM

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I dont really mind zag rail - its simple to use and helps with not having to reload as often. Try out Eris if you like all round dmg increase or Hestia if you like one shot sniper gameplay (as you can probably tell I love the rail lol)

fallow niche Oct 4, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Zag Rail is specifically nuts with Spread Fire. Otherwise other aspects do better.

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Poseidon sword dont need Blood invested in to be good.

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:26 PM

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I think, in my experiences, the weapons I have the most trouble using well are gy spear, bow, and rail

fallow niche Oct 4, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Athena attack on GY spear spin build is easy to get the handle of, otherwise charge special is good but requires you to play tight.

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Rail is mostly about identifying synergies and building well

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Bow is about learning the controls

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Base time for stuck crystal its near 10-12 seconds. with posidon sword. you already can use only cast and special to win. investing blood just do this aspect super strong. and dont forgot its poseidon SWORD. all builds for sword can be god on it.

hazy slate Oct 4, 2020, 11:29 PM

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I don’t think I’ve unlocked Poseidon sword yet, but that one Artemis boon looks broken on it

tame burrow Oct 4, 2020, 11:30 PM

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all this time i thought the spear was absolute trash

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:30 PM

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just try poseidon sword with poseidon cast and add any where artemis to take Duo (mirage shot)

tame burrow Oct 4, 2020, 11:30 PM

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and then i learned how to read

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and noticed that achilles aspect affects your cast

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and it snowballed from there

brisk plaza Oct 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Love achilles aspect. Cast builds are so much fun - if you ever get hunting blades and vicious cycle its nutty

tame burrow Oct 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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I've been taking true shot alot

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its just been melting bosses

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it did 4.3k damage at one point

untold vortex Oct 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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yo congrats, however this goes into #h1-victory-boasting @tame burrow

tame burrow Oct 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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I'm aware, I just figured it was relevant to the build

steady igloo Oct 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Hello there

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is there a topic for romance already ?

untold vortex Oct 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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#h1-story-discussion

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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story and spoilers topic

steady igloo Oct 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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thanks a lot !

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:38 PM

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I don't know how to build a good chaos shield build. Curse of pain seems ok? But I coudl just get urge to kill for general juice

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:38 PM

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i show you.wait a sec.

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@jaunty locust private message.check it

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:40 PM

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kk!

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hey, just for later - in every single area of the game, there's these little like, benches with laurels on them in hades

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.... do they ever do anything

torpid ginkgo Oct 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Does anyone have a tier list for duo rooms?

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

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like, which god to diss?

valid forge Oct 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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athena is a pushover

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Duo alone....weak. duo must work with weapon.and with choosen slot of weapon. and with another duo. like Athena +artemis and ares +artemis. when you deflect you blade rifts can crit. and Doom start do crits.

torpid ginkgo Oct 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Yeah

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I meant which one to diss so yeah

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Ares always gets me

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Don’t know why I diss him

robust anchor Oct 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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i find aph the hardest but literally anyone else is easy except sometimes demete

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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imo athena and poseidon are easiest probably

robust anchor Oct 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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i wouldn’t overthink it

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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all the rest are alright

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except demeter and aphro

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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only i can say try have 1 defece god every run in your pool with 3 gods. do 4 gods build in 50% situations crushing.

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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I hate those two so I always pick them first

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sergei is hunter instinct good?

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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usually I pick the one whose boon migh thelp me most in the fight

lone lava Oct 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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(crit charges god gauge faster)

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I have epic dio call

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with crit special chiron build

quaint gale Oct 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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oh I hate poseidon's spurn

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everyone zooming around is super annoying

unkempt zephyr Oct 4, 2020, 11:56 PM

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usually I pick the one whose boon migh thelp me most in the fight
@jaunty locust yep. if you can do alote of crits. its work amazing with artemis+dio. take AID of artemis and Debuff all enemy. even on bosses its work well.

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and its good with gun + mark +support fire. your can alote use aid.

gleaming current Oct 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

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But like... Do you get what I mean? Why show me 15% if it's not 15%?
@violet palm I get what you mean
And it IS 15% initially. Thing is: the next similar number applies to what was already reduced, so it remains technically correct

violet palm Oct 4, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Hence why I wish there was a stat page I could peruse

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In Diablo you get your stats laid out pretty clearly

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(as an example)

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:59 PM

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wait what's the 15% thing?

gleaming current Oct 4, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Dodge

violet palm Oct 4, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Dodge chance

jaunty locust Oct 4, 2020, 11:59 PM

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aid of artemis, her call? Oh, so you want to debuff them so her aid does more damage? Wait, is there a combination there?

gleaming current Oct 5, 2020, 12:00 AM

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And well, maybe having numbers is better than not, but honestly I don't miss out on them

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maybe devs are interested in that feedback

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:00 AM

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And well, maybe having numbers is better than not, but honestly I don't miss out on them
@gleaming current the game is playable without them for sure, but that's deffo something I missed, especially when things start adding up

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Damage is also deceiving and I bet crit chance from multiple sources is the same

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:01 AM

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aid of artemis, her call? Oh, so you want to debuff them so her aid does more damage? Wait, is there a combination there?
@jaunty locust Dio debuff (poison)tick every 0.5 second.With duo its can crit. and its start crits.if you have mark its becoming amazing. becaus all enemy in marks. poison deal crits. and hunter instinct grow your aid very fast.

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Which makes their effectiveness lower than stated on screen

gleaming current Oct 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Crit and damage are additive, so there is that

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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So 40% + 40% is +80%?

gleaming current Oct 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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For damage it means lower effect, for crit it doesn't
And yeah

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Now that's just confusing tho

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One works that way, the other does not

gleaming current Oct 5, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Offensive stuff is additive, defensive is multiplicative
A lot simpler than it may look like

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Why use different? Because efficiency of additive defense is scaling exponentially, while multiplicative is evened out

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:04 AM

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It's "simple" now, but guess what - nothing in the game told me that until I joined the discord server, posted a screenshot thinking I've got a nifty little dodge build and a guy tells me it's not what I think. That, sir, is bad design. IMO.

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:04 AM

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One works that way, the other does not
@violet palm just take your hands and check it. its not diablo (i play in diablo 2 and 3 from beginign). Math here simple.And dont have alote diff with comparing.

gleaming current Oct 5, 2020, 12:05 AM

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You could have easily figured it out in game, by clashing two damage reductions together. Like Weak and Different League

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that's how i got that knowledge in first place

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:05 AM

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Who has the time to test...

gleaming current Oct 5, 2020, 12:05 AM

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It's the gameplay

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for me, at least

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Either way, I'm just saying that for beginners it's deceiving is all.

stray coyote Oct 5, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Wait, what?

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Who has the time to test...
@violet palm if you play in diablo befor you spend alote of time for testing. than you have this time.

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:06 AM

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The default assumption is additive. True for some stats, false for other = confusing.

gleaming current Oct 5, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Not denying that, but roguelikes surely have some habit of obscure mechanics

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Be it for intrigue or better balance or both

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Eh, Still wish there was some technical/stats page, it would make things more obvious

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Whatever, some ppl will disagree and say "git gut" and "spend time". Sergei.

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Topic over 👍

stray coyote Oct 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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That doesn't help you? lol

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Anyways, what's going on with stats?

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I dont know. game already simple.

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I'm just pointing out it's confusing that some are additive and some are multiplicative without showing it in-game.

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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like in diablo. some addictive some multiplicative.

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Yes, but the damn game has stats!

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It shows u the percentages so you can test

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:10 AM

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in diablo in stats panel you see almost nothnig

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:10 AM

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This doesn't

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in diablo in stats panel you see almost nothnig
@unkempt zephyr let's see... Having a stats panel with some useful stats vs having NO page at all.

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Hmmmm

lapis matrix Oct 5, 2020, 12:11 AM

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The stats for Tipsy Shot aren't displayed correctly I find

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Or at least tispy flare

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:11 AM

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The stats for Tipsy Shot aren't displayed correctly I find
@lapis matrix write it to dev.

lapis matrix Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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In tech support

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?

untold vortex Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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F10 (if on pc)

lapis matrix Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Ah

unkempt zephyr Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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f10 mean screenshot.

stray coyote Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Are you guys talking about how some boosts are percentage based and others are a flat value?

lapis matrix Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Give me a sec to boot up the game

untold vortex Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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bug reporter

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Are you guys talking about how some boosts are percentage based and others are a flat value?
@stray coyote no. It's the math of multiple boons adding together. Some simply add, some multiply without clear indication.

stray coyote Oct 5, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Can you give me an example?

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Apparently :

Damage: +40% +35% +20% = +95%
Dodge/defense - the same numbers would be considerably lower due to inverse-multiplicative math

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Dmg adds, def/dodge multiplies

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My argument is that it's a bit BS because it's not indicated as such

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:15 AM

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oh I didn't realize the ticks themselves could crit

median oar Oct 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Does damage not have layers in this game e.g. Chaos boons applying on a different layer (?)

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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And "get used to it", "test" or "this is roguelikes" is NOT a valid argument, IMO. I boot the game, I play, I see numbers - I want them to make sense. And they don't. No need for elitism here.

stray coyote Oct 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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So... What would Zag's Fists and Hermes's dodge boon do together?

median oar Oct 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Or is it just all damage layer + crit layer

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Grrr, can't post a screenie

untold vortex Oct 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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you can post to an external image hosting site and then post a link to that

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:18 AM

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@stray coyote

If simple hard way, you take the chances of not dodging an attack per dodge modifier and multiply them
0.85 x 0.85 x 0.628 = 0.460955, which is the chance to not dodge an attack at all. 1-0.460955 is the dodge chance

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That's for 15% + 15% +37.2% (hermes, gloves, feather)

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Inverse-multiplicative

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So I'm told, anyway

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What I thought was 67.2% became 54%

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Yet atk adds up linearly

stray coyote Oct 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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That's super funy

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*funky

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Hence why I'm annoyed xD

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I mean, it's because you could otherwise stack defensive boons up to make you mostly unkillable, so it makes sense, it just should be told to us

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I mean, it's because you could otherwise stack defensive boons up to make you mostly unkillable, so it makes sense, it just should be told to us
@jaunty locust there aren't enough rooms to clear with a feather and boons to add to make you invincible

jade rover Oct 5, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Can anyone tell me exactly what the frame data is for dash? When is it invincible, what's the endlag, that stuff

violet palm Oct 5, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Plus it could cap out at some %

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Like give a boon description "enables you to auto-dodge +10% (up to 65% max)" or something

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Anyway, I'm going to cook, bye 👍

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:32 AM

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I don't know the exact frame data

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I think that, if you have the athena dash on, if you dash twice and the shields continue to circle around you, you didn't drop it. If you dash twice and they flicker, then you DID drop it for a frame or two

proper aspen Oct 5, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Seeking Fire or Explosive Fire for Rail Gun?

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Just picked up +54% dash-attack from Chaos, too

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:36 AM

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ooh uhhh uhh hmmm idk! I like explosive so if you have good attack boons like zeus you can really hcain em around

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 12:37 AM

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I'd take explosive too

proper aspen Oct 5, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Actually picked up demeters +40% and chill right after, too @jaunty locust I took explosives

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Haven't actually found too much use for seeking fire, tbh

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The controller fire lock-on does the job well enough

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Oooooh, yeah that's not bad if you can stack some of that

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yeah, I use controller so that's handy

proper aspen Oct 5, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Have Doom on my special too so stacking Chill+Doom+Dash/Attack+Explosive

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:45 AM

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ooooh

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Do you ever... want to die faster so you can get back to the story, but also... can't allow yourself to lose

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Sometimes I get runs where the build is not quite good enough for a clear, but still good enough to carry me through to dad fight, so I have to go through the motions...

random light Oct 5, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Sometimes I’ll just stand in the Asphodel Lava after beating Lernie

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Good thing runs usually don't last more than half an hour

random light Oct 5, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Cuz I’m like “eh got my diamond, let’s go back and do something else”

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But if it’s a weapon I enjoy, specifically Demeter Fists, Rama Bow, or Nemesis/Poseidon sword, I always finish the run proper

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Usually when that happens I try to save up as much cash for a shot to get the blood or diamond from styx shop

random light Oct 5, 2020, 12:58 AM

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I’ve done that here and there but sometimes cough Shield cough I just don’t wanna go through Elysium, I’d rather get a new seed, check out new story convos, all that jazz

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:59 AM

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ooooh slippery strike AND epic heartbreak strike on my nemesis sword. I like where this is there

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I mean, right now what I want the most besides bounties is nectar. could ALWAYS use more nectar, never ever enough yet

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 12:59 AM

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All that remains for me to beat the game with are blade, shield, and fists and aaaaa I am not good with close range melee in this game.

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 12:59 AM

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OH good point - saving up for the styx shop is a neat idea

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Ouija - I reccomend building around some nice boons for staying in close (athena dash for dash strikes, etc)

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:00 AM

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All that remains for me to beat the game with are blade, shield, and fists and aaaaa I am not good with close range melee in this game.
@fickle summit have you tried Demeter Aspect Fists?

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Also Squeeq is right

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When in doubt, Athena Dash™️ out

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I'm 1 titan blood short of Demeter aspect fists atm

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Probably with go with either Zag or Nemesis blade

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I will admit, Demeter takes roughly level 3 to really shine so uuuuhhh maybe not the best depending on how far in you are

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I would recommend Nemesis over Zagreus for dropping blood into Stygius

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Of course personal preference first

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But I definitely recommend Nemesis

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But if you can get Dem Fists to level 3 and beyond ooooh wheee

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You’ll never want to use another melee weapon again XDD

torpid ginkgo Oct 5, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I just dumped it all into Zagreus on Stygian since I did my first clear with it

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Haha, also is cursed blade good? The one that takes health away but adds it back per attack

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Are you good at not getting hit

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And/or do you have Athena Dash?

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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I'm guessing I should start using the owl pendant aswell

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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I don't know if I want dionysus if I've got an aphro slash

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Let me amend that slightly, are you good at not getting hit by bosses?

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Ah definitely not when it comes to Theseus

median oar Oct 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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i was so happy when I lost my streak because it meant I could just kill myself to advance plot

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Because Cursed Slash is nice on normal rooms because you can heal up normal damage but some bosses coughs Elysium and Styx coughs will outright one shot you or two shot you

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And on high heat even normal enemies will give you a smacking with that HP reduction

median oar Oct 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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and then ||hypnos has a comment like "I placed a bet you were going to come right back"||

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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You can use the Acorn trinket to remedy taking boss hits

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And Athena Dash is a good safety net

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Imagine getting big chop and cursed slash at once... I don't have to imagine that, cause that's exactly what happened when I grabbed the anvil at styx shop on my last run bouldy

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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What I'm hearing basically is I want Athena dash

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Always want Athena Dash

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Athena Dash best dash

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Sometimes you want Artemis

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But Athena Dash is never the wrong choice.

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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I don't even tend to pick a dash for bow but I get why it's so good for melee

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Even on bow, extra I frames are always useful

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Any ability to deflect is good to have

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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tbh the dash is good because of the way the invincibility works - if you deflect an attack, you can't take damage from the entire attack

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so if you catch ONE frame of a minotaur slash, the rest of it can't hit you

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Ah yea

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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and yeah, if you just dash headlong into a bunch of fireballs with it that's the fight

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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No one ever complained that they had too many i frames

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Well I'll take owl pendant and nemesis blade out and let's see where this goes then.

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Also deflect can outright murder Tisiphone or Meg

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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I feel like if I was really earnestly aiming for clears, owl pendant is big

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oh yeah you cand eflect RIGHT into their nonsense

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Once your Nemesis Blade has about 15-20% critical you should take Aphrodite for Attack since you’ll have enough inherent crit on the attack so you won’t need Artemis boon

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But try to snag some Artemis too for Heart Rend

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That extra crit damage is SPICY

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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yeah - I have aphrodite for attack on the boon, but only level 1.

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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It still works you just might not crit as often at level 1

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Tbh, even though you get crits from Nemesis, it's still nice to grab the arrowhead

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Cause Arty really supports those crits

untold vortex Oct 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Aphro attack, arti special into heart rend to rend enemies to bits :3

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Artemis boons are extremely useful for most builds

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Honestly I've been going for bow speedruns and I haven't gotten an unwinnable run yet. So this is gonna ruin my streak of 5 but I want to get out with the blade.

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Artemis is just the best deity, tbh

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Once you have the mirror fully unlocked, any low heat run is winnable, even without being the skill god

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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I had another pretty good flurry shot run today that couldn't sub 15 to the fact that I was dealing base 72 damage pretty much the whole run.

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Also if you’re planning on taking Cursed Slash and you’re confident in your ability to not get demolished, take High Confidence, since it’s like a free what +50% damage at max rank

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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I feel like artemis is good for enhancing things but I don't always want her on MAIN stuff. I don't know if the 15% increase for crit balances out over the aphrodite bonus, esp. for stacking debuffs

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Hades took 3 minutes in that run ouch

gilded nymph Oct 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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what is the highest damage aspect?

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nemesis?

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highest burst*

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not dps

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Thing with Artemis is that if you grab both pressure points and hunter's mark, those alone can give you consistent crits even on a non-arty-focused build

solid portal Oct 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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What’s the best first clear build with shield? Doom?

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I keep losing to elisium champ with shield of his own

untold vortex Oct 5, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Nemisis has the highest dps and burst potential out of all sword aspects

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Try Dio on shield

solid portal Oct 5, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Dionysus?

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Yup

solid portal Oct 5, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Ok I’ll give it a shot

shy egret Oct 5, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I'm having good runs using bow and artemis boons

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Doom works too, though it's even better if you get the ares/athena duo, merciful end

gilded nymph Oct 5, 2020, 1:14 AM

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aggy is there a highest burst weapon out of all?

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Bow, probably @gilded nymph

gilded nymph Oct 5, 2020, 1:15 AM

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and I also feel like I'm using nemesis wrong

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which bow? they all do so much burst lol

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Basic zag, tbh

gilded nymph Oct 5, 2020, 1:15 AM

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really?

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Point blank volley, loaded with aphrodite damage boost and crits

gilded nymph Oct 5, 2020, 1:16 AM

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that's a shocker

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Charged volley too

cunning urchin Oct 5, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Burst potential would go to Demeter Aspect.

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Can easily get up to 1400-1500 per volley

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With no setup

jolly osprey Oct 5, 2020, 1:17 AM

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I wasn’t going for a cast build.... until the Styx area upgraded my Crystal Beam to freeze and gave me +2 Cast crystals.

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Potentially more when you stack more boons like sweet surrender and clean kill, lucky chaos special boon, plus backstab damage and privileged status

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Dash nova or double nova?

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Double

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Dash nova is bad

cunning urchin Oct 5, 2020, 1:18 AM

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I doubt that. thanthink

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Doubt what?

cunning urchin Oct 5, 2020, 1:19 AM

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That Dash Nova is bad.

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:19 AM

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The worst part is that it doesn't let you nova in place

cunning urchin Oct 5, 2020, 1:20 AM

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People dismissed Snap Nova, and it was amazing.

void zenith Oct 5, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Dash nova cost me so much hp by launching me into lava shadedisgruntled

fluid trench Oct 5, 2020, 1:21 AM

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what was snap nova again

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was that instant

cunning urchin Oct 5, 2020, 1:21 AM

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That'd be your own fault lol.

fluid trench Oct 5, 2020, 1:21 AM

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i vaguely remember an instant existing

tidal hawk Oct 5, 2020, 1:23 AM

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https://imgur.com/NRUxFgA

Imgur

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Kinda nasty build

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Redacted more like dead

cunning urchin Oct 5, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Pretty much Dash Nova, but you could lunge back if you pressed Special again.

tidal hawk Oct 5, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Dask nova

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Dash*

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??

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Burst potential would go to Demeter Aspect.
Demeter Aspect best Aspect

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Small comment, the fact that Hermes has dialouge specific to when you have the in game timer enabled is awesome.

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:25 AM

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there's a lot of little things like that

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really nice thinking on supergiant's part

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Yea I got special dialouge for bringing yarn into the Theseus fight, like they did that

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:26 AM

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like I remember I kept hearing Chaos talking to me and I was like ???? is the game bugged, I had Chaos' room like a whole region ago, and then I realized it was the Chaos Egg and I was like poggers

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:27 AM

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whaaaaat I didn't know about that. THe item? I gotta use it.

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wait, you DO get that? oh man. they thought of EVERYTHING

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Yeah if you take Ariadne's string into the Elysium boss fight, said boss gets upsetti spaghetti

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for obvious reasons

bright flint Oct 5, 2020, 1:28 AM

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There's also Hermes saying a separate line if you just skip through his dialogue when you get his blessing

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Deities have little convos about different weapons, and specific gods talk about weapons that bear their Aspect or the Aspect of a specific other god

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and the final boss also talks about weapons and aspects when you bring them to the fight

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:28 AM

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hey, while we're on how good supergiantgames is at just making everything perfect, how great is it that the bosses teach you to be prepared for the rest of the game - the third boss works so well to teach you about how to deal with the FOURTH boss

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Thesus fight is just all the things you hate about Elysium, spear shades and shield shades and the chariots running you down etc, combined

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talk about gameplay integration XD

thorny basin Oct 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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I feel like 1 2 and 4 are all nicely sequenced, but 3 I feel is just a pile of everything annoy9ng about elysium

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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I have to say, the first time Theseus went Limit Break and used Call I was like YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I love the interaction between Theseus and Asterius in general it's so great

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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did you see Christine Love's amazing joke?

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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All the Theseus interactions for when you use Greater Call or a Companion are also really good

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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which was endgame spoilers: ||For a character that's introduced with a desk full of paperwork, I should have assumed he had more than one form||

neon cave Oct 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I'm considering unlocking fists 4 but I heard the dash upper is really bad. Should I keep upgrading ||Talos ||instead?

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I have no companions yet, but I might try greater calls on him

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:31 AM

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I'm considering unlocking fists 4 but I heard the dash upper is really bad. Should I keep upgrading ||Talos ||instead?
@neon cave If you're gonna dump blood into fists do it to Demeter

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Talos is pretty good at the get go

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doesn't require as much investment

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Fourth Fist is.... a special case, honestly idk what to make of it

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Maybe I'm just too attached to Demeter

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:31 AM

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This chat tends to remind me that discord still doesn't have a way to spoiler images on mobile without changing the image files name

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:32 AM

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My favorite Theseus interactions are when you use ||Meg or Thanatos Companions|| and they drop in and you can hear the PANIC in Theseus' voice

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I need to work on the companions

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OH I'm bringing the yarn in 😄

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Theseus is great because he's annoying but I also love him

static jacinth Oct 5, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Theseus is a treasure.

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He's someone you love to hate.

fickle summit Oct 5, 2020, 1:35 AM

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I lost a defiance to Hydra deflect dash is nowhere to be seeeeeen

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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hmm

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what's the spoiler policy for boss discussion

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I don't wanna accidentally overtalk

static jacinth Oct 5, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Spoilers are allowed here.

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This is spoielr town.

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:39 AM

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ungh

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do you actually have to attack sideways to deflect hades sweep pattern

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:41 AM

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attack?

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OH you mean attack into the sweep?

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:41 AM

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that is, with athena boon*

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I know the sweep attacks are deflectable because the athena dash deflects them, but I'm not much of a melee person so I never tried deflecting his attack with my attack

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like, Hades moves towards you right?

quasi folio Oct 5, 2020, 1:42 AM

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favorite gods for the gun?

prisma raven Oct 5, 2020, 1:42 AM

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zeus attack boon seems to be the landslide best pick for exagryph

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as far as attack boons go

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:43 AM

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but i assume either my timing is awfully wrong or the spin attack hitbox actually moves sideways

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:43 AM

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I think your deflection hitbox has to hit their weapon hurtbox, and if that happens, the attack is neutralized. So you might have to?

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what weapon are you using?

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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malphon dash attack

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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yeah, Zeus seems to be the favorite for "rapid attack" weapons. Idk about fists but

quasi folio Oct 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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any specific boons aside from the bouncing lightning one? forget what its called lol

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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zues' attacks synergize well

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you want the static discharge, and also his legendary if you can get it

hazy slate Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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yeah I like zeus with fists

prisma raven Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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i always spec into buffing gun special so idk

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I can comfortably deflect all his attacks except that sweep attack, and I have no idea why

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I feel like the more zeus you get the more it works multiplicatively

prisma raven Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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malphon dash-special reaps the benefits from dash-strike upgrades and special upgrades right?

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I feel like the more zeus you get the more it works multiplicatively
sorta the reason why I hated on zeus when i first got the game

unkempt pagoda Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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the ideal path for rail is getting lightning strike, storm lightning, then splitting bolt

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I felt like zeus aspect was weak af, oh hoh hoh no it isn't

unkempt pagoda Oct 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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from there you can choose any more as needed (like jolted)

turbid needle Oct 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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any way to build Gilgamesh?
tried to get merciful end but never even got merciful end nor impending doom

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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malphon dash-special reaps the benefits from dash-strike upgrades and special upgrades right?
I- don't think so, I'm not sure

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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I don't remember which malphon is haha

hazy slate Oct 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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does maim count as a status effect in terms of priveleged status?

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malphon is just the name of the twin fists weapon

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:48 AM

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judging by the fact that fist dash special has a specific name (dash-upper) I think they're two separate moves @prisma raven

turbid needle Oct 5, 2020, 1:48 AM

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still, anyway to build Gilgamesh?

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:48 AM

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malphon dash-special reaps the benefits from dash-strike upgrades and special upgrades right?
@prisma raven Dash Special gets no benefits from Dash Strike, Dash Strike is only Dash Attack

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I don't remember which malphon is haha
le fiste

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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i've been bamboozled by that before ;-; I was very disappointed

prisma raven Oct 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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dang alright

jaunty locust Oct 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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hmmm... maybe it's short range so the timing is brutal

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Yeah without Long Knuckle hammer the Fists attack range can be pretty icky

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I would definitely not recommend trying to deflect with Attack on Fists

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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does maim count as a status effect in terms of priveleged status?
I think anything that shows up on the boss health bar is counted towards status curse

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Yeah without Long Knuckle hammer the Fists attack range can be pretty icky
I did tho ;-;

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also had swift attack

random light Oct 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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just use Athena Dash

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XD

turbid needle Oct 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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no, curses are only from the gods
status from weapons doesnt count iirc

hushed sun Oct 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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tfw athena denies your dash request twice in a row