I'm afraid I don't understand the base concept of builds. Are these boons you go after on runs to compliment your weapon?
#h1-builds-and-combat
solid portal
half crater
done it before on accident, regret nothing, but not doing it again lmao
unkempt pagoda
in this case i might go spread or piercing, actually
smoky atlas
thorny basin
ill go shotgun ig
unkempt pagoda
+75% on spread is no slouch, get a nice artemis attack and you’re golden
half crater
rocket cluster works great on Eris
and all the rails, but i mostly just play Eris lol
unkempt pagoda
my go-to for eris is ricochet + delta chamber
half crater
you use delta chamber?
unkempt pagoda
delta chamber is good, it was changed
unkempt pagoda
its first iteration was extremely slow, so slow it actually lost dps
unkempt pagoda
they’ve upped the burst fire speed and burst rate significantly
unkempt pagoda
i actually have a vid of it if you want to see
thorny basin
aphrodity or zeus?
half crater
oh sure
thorny basin
have the zues ring on
unkempt pagoda
half crater
zeus is my personal go to
that’s what i did 32 with so i guess it works okay
delicious
okay i think i will like the new delta chamber a lot 😛
raw chasm
is trippy flare and trippy shot the same thing? i have trippy flare in my current run but in the wiki it's called trippy shot.
fierce thicket
Cast boons are usually shots but they are named flare for weapons that use cast on their attack like hera bow or beowulf shield
raw chasm
ah ok -- i was trying to get trippy shot, ice wine and scintillating feast -- just wanted to make sure it was the same thing
calm oyster
wow rolling knuckle with an ME build on ||gilgamesh|| fists is ridiculous
stiff flume
best boon in the game is the one that removes knockback on the shield
hammer*
really wish shield didnt have the knockbnack, makes it feel so clunky to me
void zenith
Knockback lets you score a lot of body hits and wall hits, though
Lot of shield's damage for mobs comes from that
Though double attack is definitely better for bosses
unkempt zephyr
ridiculous its when you have sea storm. and take poseidon legendary. what makes Sea storm proc x2
and if you have zeus Double strike its insane.
unkempt zephyr
achilles,hera bow or poseidon sword. they all about cast.
elder lava
Wait, are we currently talking about exactly what I was going to ask about
void zenith
Shield4 is pretty pog with ares cast
hearty swift
How does achilles weapon benefit cast?
elder lava
Been trying out achilles cast builds, been trying to get hunting blades but just can't get it
Any other good cast builds?
hearty swift
I just got my first ||theseus|| win with a cast poseidon
elder lava
Hunting blades eludes me
hearty swift
But instead of Artemis I used Zeus' cast
unkempt zephyr
most powerfull and handly casts in Speedrunners opinion its Athena cast. its have greate scaling from poms. and have benefit from backstab bonuses.And another its poseidon cast. becaus easy clean rooms.
But for fun you can take poseidon cast + ares duo. then cast deal damage 3 times.with out decreas damage. but its dont synergy with almost anything.Only weapons and poms.
elder lava
Is Athena not the best at anything 🙃
hearty swift
also, does anyone know which summon i should use on a cast build? I just got my first ambrosia
Athena dash is a must have for my runs
makes it so much safer
elder lava
Athena so good at everything
unkempt zephyr
Athena so good at everything
@elder lava i use it only on attack probably or some where only for duo with artemis. on arturs sword and claws most of time. becaus projectiles stuck in artur zone and you can come back all of them to the attackers and deal great damage)
void zenith
What I really like about Athena is that she can give you DDs back for free
hearty swift
DDs?
void zenith
Death Defiances
unkempt zephyr
But not so good in another side. when you wana some think from her.(Not DD) and she waste slots for this. specialy when you already have 3 dd and she offer them to you.
void zenith
And that's when fated persuasion comes in to save the day
heady relic
I'm running into some real issues polishing off my Fate's list for the hammer upgrades. Can anyone tell me if these are restricted by aspect type or if getting another hammer upgrade blocks it/is needed? I have tried for like 40 runs to get them.
Weapon: Aspect
Aegis: ||Charged Flight||
Malphon: ||Flying Cutter, Kinetic Launcher||
Exagryph: ||Ricochet Fire||
wide plover
Charged Flight
Incompatible with Aspect of Chaos and Aspect of Zeus.
just check wiki, this stuff is all there
unkempt zephyr
probably yes. ||probably Ricochet Fire do not exist to Lucifer|| .and wiki outdated.
heady relic
I did find Charged, but Ricochet Fire isn't found anywhere
worn citrus
They are. At least the first is incompatible with zeus. I don't know the others tho.
static jacinth
Ricochet fire works with Lucifer, IIRC.
void zenith
don't take troves, do take erebus
pallid sand
9min there's time
void zenith
Erebus counts as a room
pallid sand
gotcha
stoic thicket
Depends on your personal speed as well. I've never had a problem with Troves on the 7 minute timer.
void zenith
Although, exception for troves if it's coin trove before a shop, or life trove if you're low
Depending on your build, you can afford to spare 30 seconds to get it
Unless your goal is low time, rather than just meeting the TD deadline
stoic thicket
Thus far I've been mostly running the 7 minutes myself and if time gets tight it's in Tartarus. Asphodel is fairly short anyway so you can bank some time for the next two.
heady relic
Does Bull Rush gain damage/properties of your normal attack on all aspects? Wiki just mentions defend.
unkempt zephyr
yep
heady relic
That's cool, for some reason I'm garbage at using it to deflect with Athena then haha
hearty swift
Is there a way to make a twin fist aspect of zagreus dodge build?
wide plover
lambent plume?
void zenith
Plume + Hermes boon for dodge - you'll be dodging half the damage
heady relic
As much deflect as you can handle would help too, for those moments you get caught off guard.
To level plume
wide plover
you just need to clear quickly to level plume
heady relic
Ignore me, was thinking of butterfly because I'm using itatmlol
hearty swift
... what if, I cant clear quickly because Im bad
void zenith
Oh, and pick up the damage buff from movement speed from Hermes too
hearty swift
I'm trying to pick up a more melee-esque build since I've mostly been using cast builds and railgun
gilded nymph
does cyclops jerky select stack with cyclops jerky?
heady relic
I had a fantastic run just now with dash/crit build on gloves @void zenith and I learned a lot from it. Maybe try that with high health to get better with gloves since plume is high risk high reward
void zenith
Tbh, Talos fists are just better than extra dodge chance
wide plover
I'm trying to pick up a more melee-esque build since I've mostly been using cast builds and railgun
I'd pick something easier before dodge builds then
hearty swift
yeah im considering picking up talos fists
I'd like to use a pair of twin fists, they look fun
Even with the shield
I ended up turtling with ares cast spam
lmao
hearty swift
yeah but I've been watching a ton of streams, and they all look really cool just dashing around and bashing stuff
thorny basin
can anyone give me a synopsis of the bow aspects?
void zenith
Spamming bull rush gives you more damage, more mobility, and more defence
hearty swift
Chiron does a ton of burst damage afaik, but you really need to spend more blood on it for it to be really strong
Hera's for cast builds
void zenith
Chiron needs to be leveled up to really shine, but in can potentially have the best DPS
thorny basin
kinda wish you could respec blood use
void zenith
But keep in mind that Chiron is incompatible with Charged Volley
Which is the best hammer in the game
thorny basin
reletless volley seems good tho
void zenith
Zag aspect for the bow is actually pretty good. If you get the right boons, your special will do insane damage
Relentless volley is good too, but not as good as charged volley
void zenith
I had a couple runs where I had charged volley + Aphrodite/Artemis on special + chaos special damage buff - you can literally clear out a boss phase in 1-2 volleys point-blank
thorny basin
so i clicked it Xp
void zenith
Hydra dies in 40 seconds
blazing yacht
I had a chiron run today with heroic artemis special, chaos special buff, heart rend, relentless volley and concentrated volley. It was ridiculous
rigid hazel
Is Chain Shot better than Relentless Voley with the ||Rama|| bow aspect?
thorny basin
oh god concectraed volley would be disgusting
blazing yacht
It was. Most OP run I've had in 150+ hours by far. It's hard to tell with so many shots hitting at once, but I'm pretty sure I was regularly getting 1-4k dmg on single arrows. I posted a vid of the EM final boss kill if you want to see how nuts it was https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/j4k1bm/insanely_powerful_chiron_bow_artemis_build_just/
turbid needle
malphon + chill dash + doom attack is dirty with privileged status
unkempt zephyr
that hiron. Almost any thing work on it well. and its most save weapon in game.ranged + auto aim your special. probably some time i take luck on tail to again have 6k+ damage on artur swing)
heady relic
Any tips for using Aeri's 'Dire Misfortune'? It seems like it's not really worth it at all
copper harbor
but zeus on special with support fire just gave me a super easy win
rich kelp
Whats the point of hades call, really?
naive topaz
Whats the point of hades call, really?
@rich kelp not sure myself, except maybe the thrill of bonding with your dad. It has gotten me out of sticky situations, however briefly
unkempt zephyr
heard a bunch of bad things about the zeus shield
@copper harbor You hear many bad words about this shield becaus ppl can not manage special good. And in Max lvl special do 30 damage like Zag. and can do insane damage not only from proc(Zeus,dio,ares)
copper harbor
think I'm gonna try dio on it next, liked the feel of it
and support fire was insane with it
unkempt zephyr
try zeus special on zeus shield.and try to take Double strike and High Voltage.
copper harbor
just won with zeus special
and double strike, lightning everywhere
doesn't matter if it only does 8 dmg at lvl one when you've got lightning
turbid needle
Absolutely pathetic
A charged shot from the bow should be hitting somewhere around 700 around Elysium
and mine's only hitting what
260?
Nonsense
limber pine
uh ok?
turbid needle
Just finding charged shots to be not worth it
limber pine
it was never worth it?
turbid needle
I just think the multiplier on charged shots should be way higher than it is in its natural state
because DPS > charge every day
limber pine
Chiron > just need to attack then special, charge isn't needed
Hera > just a delivery tool, no need to charge
4th bow > shotgun
cosmic jacinth
considering i just killed lernie with dashes
3 dashes in total with zeuses legendary
and his dash
limber pine
so you're probably playing it wrong if you are trying to make charged shots worth it
cosmic jacinth
with 50 percent to have lighting effects activate twice
=killing lernie with dashes
turbid needle
@limber pine I'm stuck with Zagreus's aspect. Might be my problem
limber pine
base bow just sucks, no way around it
cosmic jacinth
have any of you guys killed lernie by just dashing?
limber pine
dashing works fine, there's dash only videos killing last boss with a level 30 poseidon dash
next moss
poor final boss
unkempt zephyr
Zag bow good.base 10 crit chance realy good. its not best. but better then another zag aspects.
cosmic jacinth
partly bc i had his legend and epic double hit at 52 percent chance murders
next moss
15+20+27% dodge
limber pine
I heard they don't stack, so it's like 15% X 0.2 X 0.27 or something
need someone to verify
next moss
😦
(i'm invincible since start of elysium tbh, so even if it doesnt stack im still at a ridiculous level)
kind cloud
yes, dodge is multiplicative.
turbid needle
could someone tell me what are the best boons for sword?
pallid sand
Is there some secret to dodging the pulses? Redacted, and the dusa + smash miniboss with MM1 do them and I can never seem to find the right time to dash through it
next moss
uuuh
i never misdodged one so i dunno
you might start the dash too late
start outside of the range
if you're up close it might be too hard
kind cloud
:3
@next moss
IIRC:
say you have 20% from lambent plume keepsake. and 25% dodge from hermes
you would use (1 - n) where n is % dodge.
on a normal hit, it would be (100%-20%) mulitplied by (100%-25%)
so 0.8 * 0.75 = 0.6 so 60%
if you added them (which is incorrect), it would've been 100% - (20+25) = 55% chance of being hit on a normal hit.
/this is how it was explained to me.
kind cloud
Yep. You're welcome.
next moss
so calculating this
15 from zag fist, 20 from epic hermes, 27 from keepsake
51% dodge overall
adding athena build, i was invincible but dealt no damage
final boss was so long
hearty swift
I unlocked aspect of hera and its so good
kind cloud
@next moss
There is an limit to dodge%. It's theorized that it's around 80%.
next moss
interesting
well at least i can run something with zag fist
magnetic aspect isnt lv5 yet
and the others are still locked
untold quiver
So, it seems I me that the key Boon location for Zues Shield is Special, I was wondering what people are running? Artimis is pretty good, putting you into a path for support fire.....what else are people having fun with?
dark quail
Should i invest into aspect of achilles or aspect of guan yu?
unkempt zephyr
@untold quiver all good at zeus special with one exeption.Dont take poseidon on zeus shield special.
Should i invest into aspect of achilles or aspect of guan yu?
@dark quail achilles give you more damage. and easy to play with him.guan yu alote harder to handle.deal your choose.
dark quail
I'll probably go for achilles then, thanks for the tip 👍
summer kettle
Am I the only who thinks Guan-Zu feels bad to play ?
less hp, slow pace combat, ...
what you guys try to build with this weapon ?
hollow rose
is it fully upgraded @summer kettle
hollow rose
guan yu focuses on hp regen with the special so i always like to go for boons that increase health/healing (think aphrodite and dionysus) and a lot a lot of centaur hearts. for damage id say something that gets off a lot of procs (like ares boon etc.) but thats just me
i mean whenever i try guan yu i focus on the spin attack
so things that shorten the charge up time on that are useful too imo
summer kettle
will try thanks 
hollow rose
np 
unkempt zephyr
take demeter. She increase healing.aphro do not increase healing. Aphro increas all bonus max HP what you take after you take boon on this.
hollow rose
i still think life affirmation can be useful for building a large health pool
steep thunder
What cast is good for bow aspect of Hera
unkempt zephyr
What cast is good for bow aspect of Hera
@steep thunder easyest one poseidon.
steep thunder
Gotcha
hollow rose
demeter or zeus would be good too @steep thunder
untold vortex
Life Affirmation is incredible and has no prereqs 
hollow rose
it just depends what boons you want to mix together @steep thunder
unkempt zephyr
Gotcha
@steep thunder dont forgot take Breaking Wave or Typhoon's Fury for easy killing not so fat enemy
winter crag
Which is life affirmation? Bonus from health rewards?
hollow rose
yeah
"any ❤️ chamber rewards are worth more"
is the exact definition
@winter crag
solid raptor
What boon do you guys like to put on ||chaos shield|| special
hollow rose
got a somewhat spoilery question:
|| when's the best time to 'Borrow' from Charon ||
errant narwhal
||it depends on how strong your build is, youll get more out of it the earlier you do it but youll probably lose less health the later you do it||
unkempt zephyr
got a somewhat spoilery question:
|| when's the best time to 'Borrow' from Charon ||
@hollow rose when you can hadle him) best in start with 2-3 core boons.
hollow rose
goood to know, made the mistake of doing it once and have been terrified since, || who knew charon could be more terrifying than hades ||
hollow rose
I was so overhwelmed @unkempt zephyr I thought it was gonna be like a loan but nooooo
unkempt zephyr
why is the chaos aspect of the shield good
@cosmic jacinth little up. look my video. if only in 2 words.... fast and easy room clearing
untold vortex
Well it is a loan, ||Charon takes the repayment with your life 
||
cosmic jacinth
true true
hollow rose
;-;
hollow rose
|| can't wait for the dlc where you play as charon trying to get all your money back from Zagreus ||
unkempt zephyr
How i hear. in near future developers dont do DLC.
untold vortex
We don't know for certain
The devs are gonna take a well deserved break and go from there
unkempt zephyr
Btw i star new game.176 hourse after relize. dialogs still dont end.and not all story complete.Game already HUGE
hollow rose
I do hope when they return they expand upon this universe, its so rich and well done
I could just see another roguelike where zagreus is trying to break out of Olympus next lol
unkempt zephyr
I fall in love to this game. like developers fall to create all of this. i wait relize so long. when i first time play game last boss was Hydra.
cosmic jacinth
||i thought charon had to be at a quarter hp to defeat||
terse hamlet
What's the best way to get to Asterius before the arena fight?
I'm trying to get the fists hidden aspect
summer kettle
yea take all the skull rooms
unkempt zephyr
look at room wreath and skull on room.
you need miniboss wreath with skull and red line.
turbid needle
hi i didn't know where to ask this but i got the aspect of guan yu, but achilles said something about an aspect of varatha?
i was wondering what that was
turbid needle
so should i just beat the final boss with any spear aspect to unlock the prophecy?
unkempt zephyr
read again carefully the prophecy
shell finch
Hey, sorry to butt in, but is there any benefit for Demeter's cast from Hermes' Flurry Cast? It doesn't look like it would help in any way aside from only having to press cast once instead of having to do each cast as a separate button press.
unkempt zephyr
Its speed up animation of cast animation. to use all 3 cast you spend 3 seconds or 1. big difference when alote mobs try kill you.
shell finch
alright, thanks
turbid needle
thank you by the way, that was helpful
cursive yacht
is there any way to speed up doom procs? I don't think there's any, but just wondering if I've overlooked something
shell finch
athena duo
untold vortex
Merciful End
unkempt zephyr
@turbid needle ||how i can remember . only 1 spec prophecy for spear exist. its about just MEET dad with guan yu in hands.But i dont remeber when or how this prophecy be available||
untold vortex
The 4th aspect prophecies appear/become availible when ||you unlock (in this case meaning use the awakening phrase on the weapon) the aspect from memory||
unkempt zephyr
Jesus crist i saw rigth now doom crits on 3k+
turbid needle
yeah i unlocked it and just realized that was what the prophecy was about
unkempt zephyr
when i answer to you befor)
uneven gale
Does dark foresight increase or decrease the likelihood of encountering an NPC chamber?
rare kayak
theyre gold laurel, so probably increase?
jolly osprey
There’s also one for getting all the different hammer abilities for the spear
uneven gale
Okay thank you
untold vortex
No, npc rooms can be either blue or gold laurel
unkempt zephyr
uneven gale
Demeter's boons are missing from that graphic.
raw helm
Anyone know for sure if blood frenzy (15% damage after death defiance) stacks?
unkempt zephyr
Demeter's boons are missing from that graphic.
@uneven gale Its just for understanding how system works
Anyone know for sure if blood frenzy (15% damage after death defiance) stacks?
@raw helm heavy question.dont sure some one try find this. but if little thinking its be cheat. becaus epic 30%. 3 deads with skelly keppsake. and you have too much damage.
raw helm
Yeah I see in history some people saying it does and some it doesn't, I'm close to theseus and this might be the run I manage to finally kill him and I get to choose between this and 10% damage to attack special and cast
I have 2 DD atm really hoping anyone knows for sure
static jacinth
Doesn't stack.
raw helm
Better to get 10% damage
clever matrix
is there a way to look at a list of daedalus upgrades in the codex
smoky dust
why do some people think cursed blade is not good? is it in the context of high heat runs or something?
unkempt zephyr
why do some people think cursed blade is not good? is it in the context of high heat runs or something?
@smoky dust
Cursed blade?
unkempt zephyr
to low HP. and Packt decrease healing. on High skulls its can be 50% or more decreasing
untold vortex
It's fine, the biggest grievance people have with it is low hp and the healing don't work from dash-strikes
lament tiger
Anyone have tips on Aspect of ||Beowolf and Lucifer?|| Having a lot of trouble trying to figure out a build that makes them good, or maybe it's just me
smoky dust
it seems like an ez mode noob crutch to me at first glance, I would expect people would say it's boring/OP if anything. Or that on high heat you get smacked in a couple of hits?
static jacinth
Cursed Slash works even with the pact healing reduction.
thorny basin
chiron bow managed to get me all the way to the elysium boss and I died there. I'm very happy tho, by far the furthest and best I've done so far
lament tiger
Poseidon has a really good Rupture boon you can get with your knock back boons, deals a LOT of damage
untold vortex
Cursed slash would be much better if it worked with dash-strikes
static jacinth
It's just that the heal on attack doesn't apply to dash strikes and being that low health means that some things can one shot you if you don't play carefully.
If you've got a nice chunk of health and are very low, it might be worth picking situationally.
unkempt zephyr
What is Poseidon actually good for?
@topaz prawn yup. its good. specialy with zeus combo. any weapon probably. for this Zues poseidon combo.
smoky dust
very low?
static jacinth
Low health.
lament tiger
@lament tiger what weapons is he good on?
@topaz prawn Usually I run it on the gun, with knockback on attack and whatever aspect adds damage after reloading. You'll like 1 shot people or they'll get to a point where running back to you just kills them. Otherwise, if the weapon doesn't require you to be right up on them, you can just get knockback on special with rupture, like with the sword
static jacinth
If you have a high max health but low current health.
smoky dust
I mean while paying attention to this discord conversation instead of focusing on the game I ate like 8 poison darts in this room, and ended up at full health never being in danger
thorny basin
are hammers supposed to be common as your starting gift? keep finding them
smoky dust
I just watched my brother basically face tank hades with this on previous run
static jacinth
They're in the pool, with the same chance as anything else.
smoky dust
out draining his damage
static jacinth
If you don't have Forced Overtime on, it's a pretty safe pick.
Otherwise, you'll often get smacked trying to heal.
solid cairn
what casts do you guys recommend with achilles
unkempt zephyr
for easy play poseidon with Breaking Wave or Typhoon's Fury. or Athena cast with Duo zeus.
Its most easy and simple room clear.
solid cairn
what about bosses with poseidon cast
unkempt zephyr
its good. if you dont forgot put alote of poms in. like in any other cast build.
static jacinth
Achilles does really really well with casts like Crystal Beam.
solid cairn
man I have no idea how to approach 32 heat I can't even beat like 22
dry ember
Just do it
unkempt zephyr
agree. but need handle using Crystal beam. and need some boons for AoE. becaus crystals have good single target but weak AoE or vs alote enemy with out others boons.but if you add Arctic Blast and Glacial Glare and duo with artemis its amazing.
red mist
gotta add that blue rooms have easier encounters, particularly minibosses
dry ember
There is no secret
unkempt pagoda
i feel like people forget that achilles can also do attack builds lol
solid cairn
well, picking good pact modifiers
static jacinth
I suggest starting with Extreme Measures 4 if you've unlocked it.
And then after trying that for a while, take it off.
Suddenly everything is so much easier.
dry ember
500 IQ move
static jacinth
Hades just seems like a big cuddly teddy bear.
dry ember
It's weighted practice
static jacinth
Exactly.
Forced Overtime can work the same way, but that's a lot of heat to give up, so you'll probably keep it on anyway.
solid cairn
I forgot how fun poseidon cast is loooooool
unkempt zephyr
@unkempt pagoda becaus its more intens) and spear have fast attack speed. need use alote special. and yes. Aphro +Artemis work well)
unkempt pagoda
my current heat 20 set up is em4, bp1, fo1, td2, and either mm or dc2 depending on weapon
if i were going 32, i'd go my base but more of everything
static jacinth
If I had to pick an 'easy' 32 heat.
dry ember
Just throw darts on a board
As long as it doesn't land on EM4 or RI4
You are golden
Ok, maybe AP2 also
unkempt pagoda
i'm sure em4 isn't terrible on 32 😛
static jacinth
It'd probably be Hard Labor 5, Lasting Consequences 3, Convenience Fee 2, Extreme Measures 3, Calisthenics Program 2, Benefits Package 2, Middle Management, Forced Overtime 2, and Tight Deadline.
red mist
how do you feel about underworld customs?
static jacinth
I personally hate it?
unkempt zephyr
i beating now 32 only when use claws or Artur with EM4. i realy like this 2 weapons. even almost in random with mom keepsake from begining to end.But i just dont wana play much on another weapons. they not so intens or difficult.
unkempt pagoda
or just give in and do UC+AP, and not deal with either HL, LC, or CP
solid cairn
blizzard shot seems like fun
static jacinth
Perfectly viable, I just really don't like those.
red mist
it more or less asks you to give up one room per region
static jacinth
I'd rather have more boons.
unkempt pagoda
you could probably get away with RI1 too
red mist
which seems doable
red mist
jury summons 1 is whooping my ass in styx
and I'm in low heat grinding mode
well in general it's a nonbo with timer
static jacinth
You've got a lot of little alterations you can make here.
Tight Deadline 2 isn't that bad at all.
foggy wagon
Jury Summons is just fun with AoE builds :P
static jacinth
And you can use that to make things easier.
Heightened Security is perfectly free if you're good at avoiding traps and dad pots.
red mist
TD2 seems to be the standard
unkempt zephyr
main skulls its EM4 and +20% speed with Tight Deadline.AP1
static jacinth
28 minutes to beat the game is pretty generous.
red mist
TD3 is just straight up RNG with styx
unkempt zephyr
and HS standart
unkempt pagoda
taking 100 dmg from an elysium arrow bc of HS is quite a drug
td3 is tighter than old td2 used to be 🤧
static jacinth
Either way, the things I personally avoid very heavily while raising heat are Approval Process, Underworld Customs, Damage Control, EM4, Jury Summons and Routine Inspection.
smoky dust
does Urge To Kill (ares general damage buff) just stack additively?
unkempt zephyr
i dont know) maibe i hadle traps. i just dont take damage from they. BTW HS in hades figth urn deal 150 damage.
static jacinth
At least, if you want to win.
unkempt pagoda
getting 3-sacked with EM4 on means you're timing out 2nd phase
static jacinth
The things I hate most are things that limit my options in the run.
Less build freedom is the worst.
unkempt zephyr
Than just damage control 2. but be prepare to sneaky little enemy bite you alote. becaus 2 hearth.armor.its 4 hits for kill even firsts skulls. no matter how much damage. need 4 hits.
untold vortex
DC2 with rats 
unkempt zephyr
its easy to handle with dio DC2
untold vortex
DC2 on its own is okay, once you start combining things like BP2 CP FO and HL into the mix oh boi does DC2 become scary
unkempt zephyr
Peer Pressure negate DC2 to zero.
livid comet
Dammit, I died to Lernie on my NG run again
untold vortex
untold vortex
Lernie needs to learn to stahp being booli
livid comet
I was kinda close too
and if I'd beaten him I'd get my HP back
since I had an epic after party
and ~120 hp
unkempt pagoda
every time i find the blue smasher hydra, i take it as an omen of failure
that thing has killed my runs more times than i'd like to admit
livid comet
tips for hydra on Xtra hard?
unkempt zephyr
@livid comet dont stay near heads. wait to they attack.becaus some of variants have purple waves. and hit you like i truck if all together.and dont stay on lava.
livid comet
I usually just stick on those heads and deflect all the waves back at them
unkempt zephyr
im not Athena dash lover) im athena attack lover. even on slow artur. but most damage comes from lava and purple waves.
livid comet
yeah, I'm doin a NG run on a fresh file so athena dash is kinda essential
but yeah ath atck and special are all good too
unkempt zephyr
@livid comet if NG. take Green DD on mirror.help alote.befor you can take purple 3 DD.
foggy wagon
Which casts go well with Beo?
I've tried Artemis and it felt good, and Zeus, which felt aight but kinda sucked
unkempt pagoda
i consider passion flare the best
livid comet
@unkempt zephyr it's the first run in the game, so no mirror
hushed sun
Aphro cast is spicy
Also I actually tried climbing to 33 and 34 heat after my first 32 heat run. feels like every heat over 30 is equivalent to 10 heat jesus
empty veldt
I would say aphro cast or dio cast for beowulf
unkempt zephyr
Also I actually tried climbing to 33 and 34 heat after my first 32 heat run. feels like every heat over 30 is equivalent to 10 heat jesus
@hushed sun are you with EM4?
hushed sun
imo EM3 feels easier than normal king bull fight
*once you get over asterius being super aggressive
solid cairn
Nah that spin is mad annoying
hushed sun
true
come to think of it I have been vitamix'd to styx so many times i'm not sure if i can call it easier anymore
untold vortex
yes, puts deadly reversal into the pool
hushed sun
hell mode intensifies
unkempt zephyr
I still can not find good build with out zeus on ||Lucifer||. can some one help me with this?
thorny basin
hangover
untold vortex
Zeus attack, jolted, + number of enemies Zeus bolts bounce off, spitting bolt
thorny basin
idk if you can get semester's chill on basic attack
untold vortex
demeter would be a good choice for the special or something to get Cold Fusion into the pool
thorny basin
@Aggy#3929 I think he meant without
worldly trellis
I'm such an idiot. I got greedy trying to hit 50% on my butterfly and lost a DD and half my health right before EM4 redacted 
hushed sun
super soaker build
lol
smoky dust
crit fists with the stomp upgrade 😬
twilit roost
Thats realll close
untold vortex
hot damn that hp 👀
livid comet
it's ok I have 16 now
just need to get through asphodel and the rest of the biomes
👍
untold vortex
oh that bug
livid comet
❤️
unkempt pagoda
it's a very rare thing, but it's been in the game for a while
untold vortex
is it a bug?
unkempt pagoda
it literally just gives you food, that's it
quaint gale
wait...what
unkempt pagoda
i think it's just supposed to be some placeholder in case the game can't give you anything else
only ever seen it in blue laurels
untold vortex
it's before you get the fountain chambers
hearty elbow
Oh lol, I was like, what is rare? I've been playing for like 400 hours
unkempt pagoda
...guess what i got when i completed the chamber
untold vortex
absolutely nothing?
unkempt pagoda
yep!
hearty elbow
No false advertising here.
quaint gale
~video games~
hearty elbow
Do they?
untold vortex
not mid-biome fountain chambers
unkempt pagoda
the fates may be cruel, but they'll tell you when they will be
hearty elbow
You need to pay the contractor
untold vortex
the Tarturas one you get for free when the contractor first shows up
the rest you have to pay for
bronze sorrel
Its gyros not tacos dangit...
smoky dust
loving the "free heal farm" last section of the game before hades on my "stomp everything around me after uppercut to gain health" gloves guy
unkempt pagoda
yeah they are gyros lol
bronze sorrel
Cause gyros are greek fast food. Thats like the whole joke.
smoky dust
is hyper sprint (sturdy) good?
untold vortex
how Gyros made its way into the underworld, science will never know. ||It was probably Charon||
bronze sorrel
Its ok. Its alot of fun though
unkempt pagoda
imo it kinda messes my rhythm a little bit, but sturdy can be good
bronze sorrel
I like playing "the flash" sometimes
unkempt pagoda
cements your dash as a purely evasive maneuver
bronze sorrel
Its almost definitely terrible but I really want to make an all in Zagreus sword rush delivery build work some day
quaint gale
the barry allen build, aka hyper sprint + rush delivery (+ lucky greater haste + well speeds)
vital roost
Which should I level first, fated authority or persuasion
random light
Persuasion tends to be more useful
but Authority has its uses
I would say Persuasion is stronger but, like with most things in Hades, your playstyle preference comes first
hearty elbow
Persuasion also lets you meme harder. It's way easier to get one specific thing.
Authority is great for getting a bunch of general stuff, which is fine for like, Zeus builds, or Poseidon knockback or Demeter Arctic Blast builds
red mist
it has been about 3/4 days of me playing this game for many hours
neon cave
what's the best investment for rail? upgrade zag (only 5 tbs), eris or hestia?
unkempt pagoda
eris
red mist
hestia seems kinda janky
might as well be playing a different weapon if you're not leaning into the gun's tricks
unkempt pagoda
hestia isn't great at low levels, you really need to invest in it for it to get good (but once you do, it's amazing)
neon cave
does eris work without many upgrades?
unkempt pagoda
zag is eh at best, only useful with spread fire imo
neon cave
I only have 5 titan bloods
unkempt pagoda
eris is fine with low levels, yes
spiral tree
eris?
unkempt pagoda
rail aspect
hearty elbow
Kind of. It's still mostly better than the base aspect
unkempt pagoda
you can pick up delta chamber with zagspect and now its main upgrade is useless 😛
anything it can do, eris can do better
(except maybe spread fire)
hushed sun
one of the charon shops that do not precede boss fights have the chance to spawn in a cash bag right behind charon
solid cairn
oh by beating that
hushed sun
you interact with it, and charon will beat the living hell out of you with his oar
solid cairn
so yeah umm what's the best boons for chiron
turbid needle
w-what are you doing with that oar, step-charon?
hushed sun
anything triggered by on-hit without cooldowns, basically
tbh I think any flourish boon except zeus and ares really spices up chiron run
solid cairn
I've seen some people use dio special lol
turbid needle
I'm a big fan of Demeter boons. Status affliction with DoT? I always love those kind of builds. I enjoy Dio boons for the same reason
onyx parcel
Cursed slash almost single handedly ruined my run
Why this thing doesn’t work with dash strike is beyond me
crude salmon
I thought you meant the other dio and got confused
the real secret boss
onyx parcel
Never taking this garbage again
solid cairn
yes cursed slash is awful
hearty elbow
It'd be kinda busted with Nemesis if it worked with Dash Strike I guess
solid cairn
take this from a sword main
onyx parcel
Literally useless
solid cairn
honestly no
crude salmon
cursed slash is fine, just stop dash striking
onyx parcel
I expected it to work with dash strike
hearty elbow
cursed slash is fine, just stop dash striking
@crude salmon Just stop using the weapon. Ez
onyx parcel
No f the curse slash
solid cairn
cursed slash is fine, just stop dash striking
well, sword combo is bad
solid cairn
the only time it can be effective is flurry slash
but that requires 2 hammers to be what you want
solid cairn
it's really not
turbid needle
I like sword combo. The only awkward move is the spear charged attack, which I find is too high risk to use without the hammer buff
crude salmon
let me specify
hushed sun
I'm a big fan of Demeter boons. Status affliction with DoT? I always love those kind of builds. I enjoy Dio boons for the same reason
cultured
solid cairn
trust me, come forced overtime that combo sucks
hushed sun
speen is meme, no speen happy life
crude salmon
"its not good with this one heat setting so its not good ever" ?
solid cairn
it's not even good at FO0
crude salmon
this is an opinion
onyx parcel
I’ll pay super giant to never see this garbage in my run again
hushed sun
the only legitimate spin build i got to work was quick spin, massive spin, and athena attack boon
which I still struggled with
solid cairn
quick spin makes guan yu one of the best aspects in the game
turbid needle
Spin by itself is straight awful imo. An attack that locks you in place for 2 full seconds? In THIS kind of game? Bruh
onyx parcel
Yea spin is awful
solid cairn
on gy the spin is broken tho
onyx parcel
With hades it’s much better
But again u only have to spin ONCE every 10 sec to apply debuff
solid cairn
slap on athena attack, you have a slow flying projectile destroying circle
how is that not insanely good
and you can circumvent the charge time by hiding for a bit
crude salmon
all enemies take long enough to spawn in that you can charge a max spin, its real good for that
solid cairn
I mean that's not really the point of either of those aspects
hearty swift
wait quick question
how do i use guan yu
I just unlocked it, and it feels so clunky
solid cairn
zagreus is based entirely on special and achilles is basically a cast aspect
hushed sun
I would like to see a p o w e r s p i n though
solid cairn
first off, get it to max
hearty swift
ok thats too expensive
hushed sun
it is worth the blood tho
hearty swift
I was planning on maxing hera first
solid cairn
hera doesnt get much from more levels
hearty swift
She seems so easy to use and versatile too
solid cairn
you can keep it at level 1 tbh
hearty swift
oh right thats true, it doesnt affect dionysus' cast time right?
red mist
hai folks
hearty swift
right, yeah that's the cast I've been using
red mist
I just got epic aphrodite special on aspect of talos
hearty swift
becaue it doesnt stick itself into an enemy unit
hushed sun
lol
solid cairn
yes so it doesn't really matter
crude salmon
I just got epic aphrodite special on aspect of talos
thanks for reminding me to start working on maxing Talos
hushed sun
Are you trying to run away from me? No chance
hearty swift
should I save for excalibur if i want a facetanking option?
solid cairn
I would still recommend maxing something else before guan yu if you are struggling with blood
crude salmon
i forgot that was one i wanted to upgrade lool
hearty swift
yeah I am
solid cairn
poseidon is incredibly versatile
red mist
update: got two poms
solid cairn
probably the best cast aspect in the game
crude salmon
i like Artemis and Poseidon casts the best
hearty swift
yeah I use it alot but I prefer Hera's shoot and run for my life's playstyle
solid cairn
crush shot is really good
crude salmon
Ares cast is super fun with the right build too
hushed sun
anything is going to work to a reasonable degree in low heat runs unless you messed up grandly... i think
crude salmon
though the Artemis duo with it refuses to spawn for me
hearty swift
I got to the final boss for the first time with the basic shield with ares cast
solid cairn
I've had most of them maxed for a long time
hearty swift
just spammed cast ares and blocked everything
hushed sun
mm
hearty swift
I love the grinding in this game
hushed sun
that's some funky aged blue cheese
solid cairn
just get one of everything
hearty swift
feels skill based but its also pretty chill
solid cairn
arthur is fun
hearty swift
Yeah I'd love to get arthur
solid cairn
just a casual 3k damage
red mist
hold up...
crude salmon
Excalibur special is busted against the 3rd and last boss
solid cairn
ehh
crude salmon
Exagryph maybe, definitely not the bow
hearty swift
I havent tried excalibur, probably will unlock it the next, in the mean time, having the most fun with hera
solid cairn
not a fan of talos
hearty swift
Hera with poseidon/dionysus casts is insane
solid cairn
I dont like hera bow
hearty swift
I tried Talos too, was a little difficult tbh
hearty swift
went for a zeus/dionysus build but i kept dying
aight back to my current run, just got to elysium and havent been hit once :>>>
crude salmon
i can't stand Demeter fists ngl
solid cairn
it doesnt even matter once you get merciful end going you win
crude salmon
they aren't "bad" they just feel clunky
solid cairn
cunning urchin
Clunky?
solid cairn
what makes it different from the other fists
ok so the sword combo is good
but demeter is clunky
worn sand
how many poms is too many poms with poseidon aspect? https://i.imgur.com/xN79oxu.jpeg
untold vortex
#h1-victory-boasting with that please :3
crude salmon
i don't really care if one specific combo on something is busted if the weapon itself isn't fun
solid cairn
capitalism at its finest
solid cairn
the rich get richer
crude salmon
its why i don't use Beo shield, i don't find it fun
i'm sure its good, but god its boring
smoky dust
is there a way to get both lightning (for jolted) and doom on my shield special somehow?
just for comedy
crude salmon
I think hera bow is kinda boring
hey we agree on something
solid cairn
like there's a lot of options you can do with it, but it just seems repetitive
poseidon is way more fun for a cast aspect
a lot more fast paced
solid cairn
I am aware
crude salmon
yeah, i use Stygian Soul but i still take Poseidon aspect sometimes cause i like the sword and the Cast damage up is nice
cunning urchin
@smoky dust no.
hushed sun
Chiron feels powerful but it sorta also feels boring
solid cairn
the only bow I like a lot is Rama
red mist
hey folks, anyone want this seed?
solid cairn
I loooove rama
spiral tree
if i have doom attack then will dire misfortune make it stack?
red mist
I got epic artemis attack
hushed sun
dash-attack-special-dash-attack-special-special-cast-repeat
cunning urchin
Chiron now is what I've always wanted it to be.
red mist
and epic sweet surrender
spiral tree
does dire misfortune make doom attack stack?
hushed sun
but it is also stupidly easy to use and hence my go to weapon on 30+ heat runs
cunning urchin
Seeds only work for the first boon/hammer, anyway. After that, you'd need to route to get the same chamber rewards again.
solid cairn
my best heat is like 20 lol I've gotten sidetracked and kinda forgot how to play at high heat
hushed sun
welp my best heat was 15
solid cairn
"bro I cant just facetank everything this game is impossible"
hushed sun
until yesterday
hearty elbow
Yeah you tend to need to play consistently to keep your skills up haha
It goes fast
solid cairn
I forgot how much of a pain EM3 is
worn sand
the best way to play at high heat is to do a lot of damage while taking very little
hushed sun
the best way to play at high heat is to do a lot of damage while taking very little
The key to having a successful life is to be happy and successful
solid cairn
the key to water is being wet
smoky dust
I still dodge early on so many things. Even after a bunch of souls like games the idea of seeing a guy about to hit me, WAITING FOR A WHILE and only then dodging just before impact is totally alien to me
cunning urchin
FO2 helps with that lol.
smoky dust
I must practice fishing...
hearty elbow
Buy a lottery ticket
solid cairn
no
cunning urchin
I don't know what common fish look like anymore. 
solid cairn
what is a "perfect catch"
hearty elbow
.35 seconds
cunning urchin
That's the only catch that's possible.
hearty elbow
Prevailing word is that it makes legendaries 5% but I swear I am up to my neck in Scyllascions
and Seamares
cunning urchin
"Another Seamare."
smoky dust
lol jolted vs charriots, they just instantly eat it
cunning urchin
At this point, he sounds disappointed when he says that.
hushed sun
FO2 helps with that lol.
This reminds me, I tried a few runs with FO2 and failed epicly
the following three runs felt like some slo mo footage
solid cairn
fo2 is hard but once you go fo2 you never look back
hearty elbow
Until you unlock EM4, then looking back looking pretty solid ngl
solid cairn
ha
cunning urchin
Just have unparalleled cat-girl reactions like I do, and fishing and FO2 will be superduper easy. 
hearty swift
i just did a no-hit theseus run with the hera bow!
hearty swift
I couldnt even defeat him and that minotaur just yesterday
yeah I figured out the trick
solid cairn
I have too much ADHD for no hits
hearty swift
literally the easiest trick, just run around the edge
solid cairn
strategy? nah I just stand right next to hades and use all my DDs
hushed sun
Just have unparalleled cat-girl reactions like I do, and fishing and FO2 will superduper easy.
confirms my suspicion, you're not human after all
hearty elbow
So many cats
hearty swift
it feels so weird to enter the temple with 3 revives and max hp
i just know im gonna die twice to the satyrs
solid cairn
I have an announcement to make. Hades is a binch ass motherfifer
hearty elbow
it feels so weird to enter the temple with 3 revives and max hp
@hearty swift The classic, "okay Dad, don't do me dirty" build
hearty swift
aight onto styx
solid cairn
incoming 5 sack
cunning urchin
Watch out for their attack startup. It's pretty obvious.
hearty swift
wait the sacks are random?
cunning urchin
They are.
solid cairn
yes it can take 2-5 chambers
hearty swift
I just thought its always two, i've done it five times and its always been 2 T.T
solid cairn
that's why you do the mini bosses first they are faster
hearty swift
lets hope its 2 again so i finally get to beat this daddy up
solid cairn
it is the most questionable design choice in the game
hearty swift
I cant deal with Styx poison, but I'm at 274 hp atm
cunning urchin
I dunno, seems fun.
hearty swift
so who knows
cunning urchin
Thrilling.
drifting vale
What happens run you run out of time from TD
solid cairn
I think you start taking DoT
cunning urchin
You take 5 damage every second.
smoky dust
wait what do mini bosses have to do with anything there
solid cairn
they're faster
drifting vale
Oof good to know
hearty elbow
What happens run you run out of time from TD
@drifting vale You spend eternal damnation with Theseus and the mirror he practices one-liners with
hushed sun
You take 5 damage every second.
is this counted as a trap damage?
solid cairn
the horror
hushed sun
i guess not tho
hearty swift
would be fun to have a "practice" fight with achilles and his boyfie
drifting vale
@drifting vale You spend eternal damnation with Theseus and the mirror he practices one-liners with
@hearty elbow oh no not even asterius there to comfort me
hushed sun
boyfie
spiral tree
...is this the final ending?
hearty swift
no spoilers for ending pls
cunning urchin
TD damage is always 5. Unaffected by anything.
spiral tree
I am seeing credits for first time
hearty swift
i've been playing the game blind so far
spiral tree
same
hearty swift
||final ending||
hearty elbow
@hearty elbow oh no not even asterius there to comfort me
@drifting vale He's in a corner somewhere with football sized ear plugs
hushed sun
ah
solid cairn
asterius is chill but I hate him
spiral tree
man this game a lot more emotional than I was expecting
hearty swift
Did yall get the dialogue where Zag asks if Asterius has anything to say for once, and Theseus just cuts in
solid cairn
spiral tree
it actually has a story
hushed sun
yeah, that'd be only fair
thorny basin
I think I'm gonna spend my blood on the homing special bow. wish you could respec blood somegow
hearty swift
Yeah it is
drifting vale
Heres a spoiler then || i still need bouldy hugs SGG pls||
solid cairn
you just realized that it has a story now?
hearty swift
I thought it was gonna be another diablo just with hot characters
solid cairn
are you a dirty dialogue skipper
spiral tree
I didnt follow hades in early access
hearty elbow
I think I'm gonna spend my blood on the homing special bow. wish you could respec blood somegow
@thorny basin You can, just don't leave the courtyard, and Give Up before starting a run if you don't like how it feels or its base damage
untold vortex
||bouldy|| plushie would be dope tbh
spiral tree
I didnt know it would bethis good
hearty elbow
You get the blood back
thorny basin
@hearty elbow I mean after.
hearty swift
I listen to the OST when I'm not playing the game
thorny basin
I know the save scumming
drifting vale
@drifting vale He's in a corner somewhere with football sized ear plugs
@hearty elbow im bringing than with me to suffer
hearty elbow
||bouldy|| plushie would be dope tbh
@untold vortex Couch pillow, omg take my money
cunning urchin
There'd be 0 to get more Titan Blood if you could just respect it.
hearty swift
I'm not sure if this is a spoiler but regarding the music and the singers ||Zag's voice actor is Orpheus' singing voice||
smoky dust
is Crystal Beam ever good? It turns so slowly I can't imagine it being useful except vs the hydra (lol)
hearty elbow
Crystal Clarity makes it wreck
drifting vale
Yeah agg1.0 can you fast track that to the devs
cunning urchin
16 Titan Blood and you could max out any weapon, do runs as you like, respec and max a different weapon.
smoky dust
what does crystal clarity do?
hearty elbow
What you said
smoky dust
ok
thorny basin
@cunning urchin secret aspects.
cunning urchin
16 Titan Blood would be enough to unlock every secret aspect.
drifting vale
Interestingly enough secret sword is 15 and Poseidon sword is 16 iirc
Im not sure if thats all but still
drifting vale
Youre just mad lucky
hearty elbow
Lol 2 is the most likely outcome
hearty swift
oh my god this is probably going to be the closest, I've gotten to defeating that stink ass hades
alpine yarrow
am i allowed to post twitter links here
hearty elbow
I'm calling bs on that lol
smoky dust
lol, I have all this stuff and I honestly do not know what is happening, I just throw my shield and wince https://i.imgur.com/V3mZF8I.png
alpine yarrow
its a video of me fighting hades, i dont have nitro to post the video w/o it
bleak iron
lmao, nice man
drifting vale
Thats called damage
bleak iron
that seems like it would just slaughter everything
smoky dust
I killed Theseus before he was finished with his little thing where he waits for his god to be all impressive
drifting vale
And youll be probably be fine to send one link just dont go crazy
hearty elbow
Why isn't your Double Strike Heroic and levelled
bleak iron
I love throwing the shield around, but I just got the Aspect of Zeus on it and had a very fun run
I got the special does hangover boon, and doom on my attack
alpine yarrow
https://twitter.com/Ventralic/status/1312616091772952578?s=20 this was my first run with arthur, could have been optimized more but it was absurd regardless lol.
bleak iron
just kept it on the bosses and spammed the attack while dashing around,was great fun
cunning urchin
@drifting vale 1st aspects are always 5, 2nd and 4th aspects are 15, 3rd aspects are 16.
stiff flume
boons that enhance your attack also affect things like guan yu's life steal spin, right?
and do they affect dash attacks?
cunning urchin
No. Lifesteal is unaffected by anything.
hearty elbow
The damage yes
stiff flume
no i mean just the damage
hearty elbow
Lifesteal no
cunning urchin
Oh the damage. Yes.
unkempt pagoda
@dry ember where’s that 8k crit screenshot
drifting vale
@drifting vale 1st aspects are always 5, 2nd and 4th aspects are 15, 3rd aspects are 16.
@cunning urchin alright neat more information i will probably never use but neat regardless
alpine yarrow
oh god 8k
stiff flume
and what about things like the dash-special with the fists, do boons that enhance specials also enhance that? or just the standing version
smoky dust
I wish I knew if I was using Myrmidon correctly or not. I have a feeling all the times I get hit it's when I'm either dodging backwards (my back) or dodging through someone (possibly my back)
cunning urchin
Dash-Upper is affected by Dash-Strike boons and Special boons. It's not affected by Dash-Strike hammers, though.
unkempt pagoda
congrats!
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
smoky dust
nice yo
stiff flume
tyty
last mural
what attack boon do pple like to build on arthur? crit?
unreal abyss
is there a general consensus on which aspect is the best for each weapon?
half crater
eh, not really
drifting vale
Or athena
half crater
why would you athena on arthur? it slow
hearty swift
Aight this game is wonderful, thanks for all the help guys, gonna take a break
drifting vale
Big swing and since its slow it has more time to deflect more
drifting vale
I think youre missing out on the fun going against spreader room and one swing killing all 4
stoic thicket
Athena has a fairly decent +% damage increase, if you can't get Arty or Aphro to give you their attack she's kinda the next best thing.
odd quarry
Also arthur special makes it really easy (if less effective) to deflect things too
odd quarry
‘Cause Athena + Aphro is now Parting Shot
drifting vale
I mean im pretty sure its the same speed as any other deflect i dont think Arthur has an effect on that aspect
odd quarry
I meant I think Arthur’s circle still makes your deflected projectiles slow down
Unless I’m wrong on that
drifting vale
Oh yeah i cant say for certain i dont remember
smoky dust
does Broken Spearpoint work in hellmode with the default heat thing that removes that?
stoic thicket
Never ran Hell Mode myself but I don't see a reason why the Spearpoint wouldn't work as advertised. You only get the benefit at max once every 7 seconds anyway.
smoky dust
"personal liability" pact I mean
removes your "auto defense"
so the keepsake is a different effect and still works?
cunning urchin
Correct. Keepsake still works.
drifting vale
Speaking of which is PL getting added to normal mode ever?
hushed sun
I have six boons, hammer included, and I arrived at elysium in 10 minutes
how did this happen at all
red mist
skill
hushed sun
i shall remind you at this point that I frequently burn myself to crisp in the lava
untold vortex
same though, which is why I don't use Heigtened security ever
hushed sun
Maybe it's the screen resolution that helped me
^
I blink, and I notice half my hp is gone
bold ingot
my pierced butterfly bonus goes so well and then lava
jaunty locust
The uhh, nemesis aspect -- how does that stack with Artemis? So if I get a +15 crit chance with nemesis, and deadly gives me a +15 to critial attack, is that +30%?
untold vortex
additive, though it's ideally better to go aphrodite attack, artemis special and go for heart rend
jaunty locust
oh, artemis on the special
because the aphrodite attack gives me more to multiply? fair fair that makes sense
I want more to work with
bold ingot
especially if you get to her weakened enemies take more damage boon, forget what that ones called
untold vortex
Heart Rend
jaunty locust
yeah that tracks. The higher crit chance is overbalanced by the higher base damage
untold vortex
even more damage when paired with artemis dash :3
untold vortex
artemis dash increases dash strike damage
jaunty locust
OH because then your dash strike gets the aphrodite buff AND the artemis buff
untold vortex
bold ingot
has anyone ever managed to get ice wine + scintillating feast both on their festive fog because i got it once and it was...a party alright
wide plover
of course, it's one of the easiest cast builds
jaunty locust
I don't know much about cast builds
wide plover
hera bow with trippy flare is one of my go to builds
and I often get zeus or demeter duo at least
jaunty locust
haven't unlocked the hera bow
wide plover
it's pretty good, and you don't need to upgrade it because it only decreases time for stones to drop from enemies, which doesn't matter with fog or blades
jaunty locust
ohhhhh it's one that doesn't want a lot of upgrades like the chiron one?
do you mean trippy shot, or is trippy flare a combo I"m not familiar with
wide plover
it's called flare with hera at least, but the effect is the same
wide plover
beowulf and hera afaik
bold ingot
never got the hang of beowulf, i still use aspect of chaos on the shield tbh