I tried beo but couldnt' really get into it
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid halo
Uhh
I've heard good things about artemis?
Dio on beowulf probably isn't the best since you can't reload
empty veldt
Dio on beowulf probably isn’t the best since you can’t reload
@turbid halo i mean, chunking 3000 damage if i get 4 casts loaded is fun
hearty elbow
I just don't have a very clear idea of how to play the aspect post nerf. I just used it as a bow before. I'll wait for Nyaanyaa to post a video.
empty veldt
Currently trying to get dio favor, last one left. Thats why i’ve been using Dio
Aphro i use everywhere already (like any boon)
half crater
chaos? doesn't seem that different to me
hearty elbow
Beo
cunning urchin
@empty veldt I talked a bit about casts for Beowulf here. Might help. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/761503656829779988
turbid halo
The shotgun also means Zeus is weaker on chaos now
cunning urchin
Charged Flight was nerfed. Targeted nerf for Beowulf.
hearty elbow
40% (total, 200% numerical) nerf to Charged Flight
half crater
oh yeah ofc
empty veldt
@cunning urchin Merci
half crater
zeus is still pretty good on chaos tbh
hearty elbow
Yeah I still prefer Thunder Flourish over anything else
Losing the ricochets makes Dio... not ideal. Doom probably still fine too, but Lightning has a way higher ceiling
cunning urchin
Keep in mind my experience is almost entirely at like 50+ Heat without Infernal/Stygian and only 1 dash. Lower heats, other things can be viable.
empty veldt
I mean skill level wise i’m far below as well, relatively speaking
When my highest is only 32 sadge
cunning urchin
Speedrun server told me that @weak moat apparently does use Stygian Soul + Trippy Shot for speedruns—aiming for Ice Wine. I've no experience with that. Relying on Duo Boons at 50+ isn't really a thing, and Stygian didn't exist for me.
So I can't comment on that. But if Wriste13 uses it, it's good. I trust his judgment.
heady relic
Any tips on getting better with the spear spin? Trying to use it for the hidden aspect or normal spears and I'm just bad at it.
cunning urchin
My best tip for spear is don't do what I do.
heady relic
Thanks @hearty elbow . I tried it with Hades spear and just got destroyed.
hearty elbow
Oh, I was referring to GY only
heady relic
I have bad luck finding hammers
cunning urchin
I mean, it worked for up to 19 Heat so far. So I'm not terrible at it. But I don't consider myself good either lol.
hearty elbow
Hades is completely different
heady relic
oh, what about normal spin /hades?
empty veldt
Hades aspect spin is fine
hearty elbow
For Hades, you want to initiate a spin after a dash-strike
cunning urchin
I just pick Heartbreak Flourish + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air every time. 
empty veldt
Just dont be overzealous to get max spin
hearty elbow
Learn the timing for the smallest possible spin, and rely on that nearly exclusively
empty veldt
Spin only for applying mark for extra damage
cunning urchin
@hearty elbow omg I just realized "small number of targeted balance change" could mean a nerf to Smoldering Air. Oh no.
hearty elbow
In general, learn how to dash backwards and dash-strike forward. That helps you reposition defensively while you spin.
cunning urchin
That would mean I gotta learn the game again. 
cunning urchin
Shut up. I'll 1v1 you irl. 🔫 
silk anvil
Why are satyrs able to attack through a full-on water gun? 🐐 🔫 
empty veldt
I did EM4 with ONLY poseidon call and Smoldering air and not attacking so....
hearty elbow
It's easy I think to dash back and strike forward on KBM? For pad you need to dash back and very quickly flick forward, it's kinda weird at first but you get used to it
empty veldt
I thought water gun is just a meme and not actually any good?
silk anvil
People say it's easy enough to dodge their projectiles, but I reckon it'd be a whole heck of a lot easier if they got stunlocked like they should be when being knoc-backed and wall smashed
silk anvil
@empty veldt , it's not good at all
this run is terrible lmao
it's good for the meme tho
fierce thicket
Ah water gun, my first ever lucifer run
silk anvil
They swim upstream.
@cunning urchin by jove, you're right
fierce thicket
Actualy wouldn't it be good with sea storm?
tidal edge
@heady relic the hades high heat run spreadsheet has a lot of hades spear runs from Tailesque, there's even one where he doesn't get any decent hammers. good reference to learn from, lemme know if you need a link
silk anvil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617187825602789389/761660828998172692/unknown.png picture taken moments before disaster
deft raptor
@tidal edge I could actually use that link..
silk anvil
I do have to revise the fact that it's not terrible
it's only terrible when Poseidon refuses to give you his rupture ability; and yeah, sea storm would be nice, but no Zeus this run ;~;
tidal edge
I'll DM you
soft pine
does blizzard shot knockback?
turbid needle
just strictly about the mechanics of the spear spin attack, you can dash into charging up a spin (dunno if this is faster than charging after a dash attack) and you can add a dash to the spin attack itself which gives you crazy range on hades
silk anvil
does blizzard shot knockback?
@soft pine I'm going to wager a guess with my memory and say no... but it's hard to tell because it tends to kill things too easily
orchid wasp
It does but only if you direct hit them
silk anvil
It does but only if you direct hit them
@orchid wasp making a fool of me; yeah, go with what the Waffle king says, I trust em more than I do
can someone tell me when guns (at least the ||lucifer|| aspect) stopped destroying airborne projectiles? has that always been a feature of it?
visual holly
Are you sure you have the right aspect name? Because that's a spear aspect.
solid raptor
Right so I've cleared with every weapon except the spear now. I can't stand cast builds, so can someone help me with a build? Otherwise I'm just going zeus posseiden duo with poseiden dash and cheesing it.
silk anvil
Are you sure you have the right aspect name? Because that's a spear aspect.
@visual holly whoops, got my mythos mixed up, sorry
the other one
visual holly
||Lucifer||?
silk anvil
Right so I've cleared with every weapon except the spear now. I can't stand cast builds, so can someone help me with a build? Otherwise I'm just going zeus posseiden duo with poseiden dash and cheesing it.
@solid raptor
you might have fun building Artemis crit on your special
but also, the dash strike + hammer for triple strike is also fun
visual holly
Ok, well I can't remember a time when any Adamant Rail shots could destroy projectiles, but maybe that's just my memory going bad.
I did start playing before it got added also.
silk anvil
I have a level 2 achilles aspect or 0 blood zagreus
@solid raptor you don't need to play achilles as a caster, you can just treat it as a brawler, you throw it at someone, special to retrieve, and then wail on em
I did start playing before it got added also.
@visual holly
yeah me to, it's my least played weapon next to shield, I just swore I had a bullet take out a projectile, but coudln't remember if lazer ever did
solid raptor
Alright cool. So artemis dash strike or on the special?
silk anvil
Alright cool. So artemis dash strike or on the special?
@solid raptor people always seem to like dash strike. I was saying if you like the special, her special crit can also be hilariously good (though it's noticeably much better on the spear's hidden aspect)
realistically, any build you go for should be good with the spear, just make note of what playstyle you're going for; I reckon with lvl 2 achiles, you could strive to get ares special, and athena left click
soft pine
I recently did a run with arty dash strike, demeter attack and the triple-dash hammer. it was sick
solid raptor
I do like to have 2 consistent statuses though
soft pine
was doing more overall dps than ice wine
cunning urchin
@solid raptor Heartbreak Flourish, Zeus' Aid, Divine Dash, Smoldering Air.
silk anvil
@solid raptor Heartbreak Flourish, Zeus' Aid, Divine Dash, Smoldering Air.
@cunning urchin I really gotta just go with this build huh?
we should rename it the Nyaanyaa build
cunning urchin
It mean it just works at any heat. Why wouldn't you go for it lol.
Plus, spamming Calls is a lot of fun.
tidal edge
I still forget my call exists half the time
silk anvil
it took a good long while of my friend yelling at me to use my casts/calls when they were available for me to start using em 
solid raptor
Why zeus?
cunning urchin
Just imagine Lord Zeus' hanging around in the clouds looking for where Zagreus is and throwing Lightning Bolts every 5 seconds.
tidal edge
kirby I am both you and your friend. don't use my own call, get frustrated watching streamers who don't use theirs
cunning urchin
Because Smoldering is a Duo Boon from Lady Aphrodite and Lord Zeus.
fierce thicket
relatable
cunning urchin
Requires a core boon from both + any Call.
solid raptor
Isn't aphro more damage though?
stiff flume
hold up, if i pick pierced butterfly / lambent plume keepsakes and level them up but then later in the run switch away from them i lose all the bonus??
cunning urchin
So if you get his Call, you already have what you need.
silk anvil
has it always been the case that one could not re-roll Hammer boons?
cunning urchin
No, Zeus' Aid does more damage.
silk anvil
hold up, if i pick pierced butterfly / lambent plume keepsakes and level them up but then later in the run switch away from them i lose all the bonus??
@stiff flume yes, you have to hold onto the trinket to get the bonus
stiff flume
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air locks your God Gauge at 25% anyway (which is a Lesser Call), but it goes up to 25% in just 5 seconds.
So you get to spam a Lesser Call every 5 seconds.
Which is huge.
Aside from the DPS, activating any Call also gives you i-frames for a moment. So you can even use it to avoid some attacks that would otherwise hit you.
tidal edge
does that stack with quick favor?
cunning urchin
Yes. But Quick Favor becomes practically irrelevant tbh.
silk anvil
how does that Art. "crit builds god meter faster" thing work. does it just permanently keep stacking per encounter? so say you do 100 crits, it should charge 100*0.35 faster?
cunning urchin
Its effect is barely noticeable since you can't charge more than 25% anyway.
What's huge with Smoldering Air, though, is Second Wave from Lord Hermes.
Extra movement speed and Dodge chance for 6 seconds.
tidal edge
oh yeah a streamer I was watching got carried to his first win by second wind, even without smoldering air
looks rly strong
cunning urchin
With Smoldering Air, you can have that up practically 95% of the time.
And Lord Zeus' also has Billowing Strength, which gives you extra damage after activating Call.
tidal edge
I should do a call-only run to get used to spamming it on cooldown 
smoky dust
how do you make the gun effective? starting zeus and getting lightning on normal attack doubles its base attack which makes it useful but I am not finding it scales well, how are people using it?
cunning urchin
Well, exactly that way lol.
silk anvil
What's huge with Smoldering Air, though, is Second Wave from Lord Hermes.
@cunning urchin ... second wave from Hermes?
tidal edge
she means second wind
cunning urchin
Second Wind lol.
silk anvil
dont mind me, I can't do with context clues
cunning urchin
@smoky dust Lightning Strike + Support Fire from Lady Artemis for damage (requires a t1 boon from her).
Divine Dash for protection.
smoky dust
hah I had exactly that actually one run, guess I'll get suck less
cunning urchin
Go all in on Lord Zeus for more Chain Lightning damage.
Getting some core boon from Lady Demeter is also great for bosses if you have Static Discharge because that unlocks their Duo Boon, Cold Fusion.
tidal edge
I am finding that aspects that use casting mechanics like hera and beowulf are really fun but actually casting is yuck
It's so much more satisfying to drop three huge explosions on an enemy at once than to fire off slow dinky casts
cunning urchin
Hmm.
uneven scarab
hera is fun with festive fog
cunning urchin
Have you ever tried a True Shot build on Poseidon Aspect? With Infernal Soul.
uneven scarab
or the aphrodite cast
cunning urchin
That's anything but slow.
tidal edge
nah I bounced off poseidon and achilles pretty quick
I'll give em another shot I'm just in the honeymoon period for other aspects right now lol
cunning urchin
Cast builds want a lot of Chaos Gates to get more ammo and cast damage.
Also make sure to check Wells for extra ammo.
tidal edge
chaos is such a homie
uneven scarab
And hermes boons as well lots of cast goodness
cunning urchin
Well, every build wants boons from Lord Hermes lol.
hasty garnet
Aw yes Eternal Chambe-I'm never taking that boon removal option again aaah
cunning urchin
You should always have 2 boons from him before the Temple of Styx.
tidal edge
I had 6 bloodstones with heroic aphro cast, mirage shot, and snow burst on my 2nd ever beowulf run
ty chaos and arty
cunning urchin
lol nice.
Meanwhile, cast builds don't always care too much about hammers. But they can still help a lot to the point that you shouldn't avoid them.
E.g., any Special hammers for Poseidon Aspect can really help speed up or add damage to the rotation.
uneven scarab
Oh that's such a good point, didn't take into account cast doesn't benefit much from hammer
hoary quest
Does there happen to be a guide on what to aim for as far as boons go for each aspect?
cunning urchin
There's a guide pinned for base weapons that translates just fine for most aspects.
hoary quest
Thanks! 
tidal edge
who could have written such a guide
turbid halo
I just came in here to ask about exagryph but you were already talking about guns lol
uneven scarab
shameless plug
turbid halo
I'm not used to firing attack a lot since I used Eris aspect the most
and went for special builds
hoary quest
I’ve been farming for resources using the bow and would want to try the other weapons out with higher heat
cunning urchin
Attack builds on Eris are super effective.
turbid halo
I keep doing special builds and grabbing some combination of triple/cluster/targeting/rocket from hammers if possible
Do you want a +% damage boon on Eris attack?
solid raptor
Anyone else think the aphro legendary is incredibly broken against [redacted]
cunning urchin
You'd want flat damage on Eris Attack.
tidal edge
it was kind annoying when I had it planky
cunning urchin
Because that flat damage will also get the +75% damage bonus from Eris.
turbid halo
Flat meaning like zeus or like aphro?
tidal edge
couldn't abuse the beams for damage b/c he'd instantly cancel them
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike.
solid raptor
He stops attacking you like every 20 seconds though
turbid halo
gothca
tidal edge
yeah but he already has a lot of openings tbh, especially with no heat
solid raptor
I didn't even use a death defiance and it was my first run with the rail
turbid halo
I take aphro legendary against him a lot with chaos shield
And he just sort of short circuits, and it's hilarious
tidal edge
it do be funny
solid raptor
Oh yeah I can imagine chaos shield being nuts with that lmao
cunning urchin
I'll add that the newbie build guide is essentially high heat meta, too. Just that you'd add knowledge about potential Duo Boon combos from those boons listed and what hammers work best. And it doesn't go into the aspects that have different builds from the base weapon.
turbid needle
How do I make Guan Yu viable for a single run for the prophecy? >_>
cunning urchin
Concensus at high heat atm is that Rail 4 is just worse Rail 1. Hoping for some buffs there.
turbid halo
Two things that made GY click for me
1: Athena on attack, because deflecting spin will save you so much damage
turbid needle
I understand that you have to have more spin than Johnny Joestar and Gyro Zeppeli, but even then
cunning urchin
But some people enjoy it a lot more than rail 1. And it's not like it's useless or anything.
turbid halo
2: You can dash out of spins, and chain a dash attack into a spin by holding the attack button
random light
Guan Yu with Rapid Spin and Athena Attack is definitely my go to spear build
turbid halo
It's interesting and the beam is cool
In some fights I can just stand near a wall and constantly bounce spins off that wall
cunning urchin
How do I make Guan Yu viable for a single run for the prophecy? >_>
#1 thing to make it viable is to get it to Lv.5.
turbid halo
melee attacks will just get deflected
tidal edge
is GY not just special spam?
tidal edge
I've barely seen any gameplay of it, dunno if it's cuz it's not that popular or what
on YT and twitch I mean
silk anvil
GY spin heal doesn't work if you're using that one Pact of Punishment modifier where healing is reduced, right?
fickle summit
1st boon Huge Catch 🐟
uneven scarab
pog
silk anvil
1st boon Huge Catch 🐟
@fickle summit lucky
hasty garnet
Oof, that Duo that makes Jolted not expire on attack is pretty good
cunning urchin
Yeah!
soft pine
ughhh, freakin underworld customs. I've had smoldering air crossed out 4 times in a row.. 8 |
cunning urchin
That's Approval Process.
hasty garnet
Yeah that restriction sucks
soft pine
it sucks, whatever it is
hasty garnet
I rememebr one run it crossed out Eternal Chamber both times I found the hammer.
soft pine
it's like it knows
kind cloud
has SGG mentioned anything about adding rewards for completing heat runs over 20?
it still says no rewards "(for now)" in the pact punishment/start screen.
soft pine
I'm trying to cross underworld customs and approval process off my prophecy in the same run, may have been a mistake...
solid cairn
oh my god the gorgon head + stompy guy miniboss is the worst how do I do it without taking a lot of damage
if I actually dodge it right I have no time to hit stompy guy
cunning urchin
UC + AP can be a bit nasty. But if those are the only pacts, it's not too bad.
limber pine
use a companion if you are able to
cunning urchin
@solid cairn are you using Middle Management?
solid cairn
yes
soft pine
stand right under the stompy, dodge, then hit him with everything you have until he goes away again. dio poison keeps hitting him while he's in the air, so that's a good boon to use
hasty garnet
Support Fire on Eternal Chamber lighting on-hit run oh baby
cunning urchin
tbh I just use a summon for that fight like 95% of the time.
solid cairn
I do use a companian
cunning urchin
Just gotta time your summon to just about when the Skullcrusher is coming down. Well, depending on what summon you're using. Gotta practice the timing a bit, maybe.
solid cairn
btw this is FO2
cunning urchin
Once you break its armor, you can just stunlock the Skullcrusher.
Yeah, same thing either way.
soft pine
I always forget I have my summon. : (
cunning urchin
Divine Dash and having a high DPS build both help a lot.
sharp anvil
Speaking of Approval Process. I was doing a Chiron run and it crossed out special damage 6 times in a row, and crossed out 30% special speed
I got speial damage on the last room before Theseus
cunning urchin
lol but you did get it.
stoic thicket
Approval Process is pain.
cunning urchin
Are you running Fated Persuasion? That can help a lot.
sharp anvil
After that I was like "HERE IT COMES JUST HURT ME"
I had my darkness upgrades crossed out
I was doing a run with all the heat modifiers I had not done yet
For the achievement
cunning urchin
With AP2 CF2 UC, I've had high heat runs where I was going into Elysium with 2 boons and neither of them were Attack, Special, or Cast lol.
sharp anvil
I just won't ever run it
That was my one and only experience with it LOL
Enough for me
I know it won't be like that every time
cunning urchin
I like it a lot. It adds some spice and variety to runs.
sharp anvil
But it's just very unfun
soft pine
I was running persuasion, rerolled aphro twice on two different boons, denied the duo 4 times in a row. : P
cunning urchin
Without pacts like that, I can just run the same busted build every time, pretty much.
lime flicker
hello , first timer here and love the game .im trying to clear poseidons boons,what weapon would you suggest for his call build ?
cunning urchin
But AP1 or even AP2, I get to figure out how to make combos work I'd never considered.
You can't really do a "call build".
soft pine
@lime flicker get sea storm and the posi boons that make wall bounces explode and +to wall bounce damage, and the mobs just ping-pong themselves to death
cunning urchin
But his call is best on Eris Aspect.
Because that gives +75% damage to everything at Lv.5, including your Call.
soft pine
doesn't help much for bosses though
lime flicker
i need to do poseidons aid to get the other boon for it
so just wondering what works with it
soft pine
@lime flicker what other boon?
gilded nymph
anybody know the distance for distance memory to work?
soft pine
but I recommend the ping-pong build for the sheer hilarity
FINALLY
got smoldering air. yus!
stoic thicket
You mean Talos aspect Poseidon special yank-n-yeet?
smoky dust
agh I find the gun so obnoxious with how it doesn't interrupt things, combined with multi hit enemies and whatnot just tilts me
limber pine
gun isn't a good experience until you "click" with it
soft pine
@stoic thicket any posi build where you get the wall slam sploosh and they bounce all over the place
stoic thicket
Breaking Wave is the most fun single boon in the game and that's a hill I'm totally willing to die on.
rotund hedge
soft pine
still grinding bloods to max it
tight cypress
it's pretty interesting, not terrible but I feel like I have to play differently compared to the other 3 aspects
limber pine
it's fun, get Athena attack to swat projectiles away
tight cypress
I do like that you can hold down attack while doing the triple dash, looks cool as heck
lime flicker
what is the build then , do you just pick everything from poseidon or do you have a certain other god to duo with
soft pine
focus on posi and zeus, get sea storm if you can, that's just icing on the breaking wave cake
if you can get rupture and jolted on everyone hit by a knockback, all the better
vernal bolt
does nourished soul apply to guan yu's big healy stealy wheely
cunning urchin
No.
It's entirely unaffected by effects like that.
Which also means you can still heal even if you have LC4 enabled, though. So that's pretty cool.
lime flicker
on eris to buff your dmg ?
cunning urchin
Eris just happens to add a lot of extra damage to your Calls.
vernal bolt
aw that's lame
cunning urchin
But like I said, Poseidon's Aid works on everything. It's one of the best calls in the game.
vernal bolt
i wanted double heal wheel
cunning urchin
Does a ton of damage.
lime flicker
ight thanks a lot
fiery ginkgo
zag shield, would you swap epic demeter attack for heroic Dionysus attack?
cunning urchin
Probably not, no.
eager elk
heroics aren't always an upgrade, right?
or are they usually worth taking regardless and trying to adapt based on that
fiery ginkgo
well it's whether i want 10 hangover ticks
cunning urchin
Right. They're not always an upgrade.
fiery ginkgo
or +106%
prisma dove
depends on the build, but Heroics do have higher rarity than Epics
unkempt pagoda
nyaanyaa, have you tried poseidon call on eris yet
cunning urchin
Yes.
unkempt pagoda
doing 1k dmg per hit is quite the drug
fiery ginkgo
i am not there yet
cunning urchin
I was doing 1.5k lol.
tight cypress
how do you move when using poseidon's call? do you move back and forth or in a circle?
eager elk
one other question just off the top of my head. If I use my special on Nemesis, it still only results in the crit boost one time right?
and its just double damage on the special itself?
fiery ginkgo
let's see. i do i do 72.1 damage on a single hit of demeter
plus chill
and then hangover gets me 35, and then at 2 seconds it's up to 75
cunning urchin
Nemesis's crit chance lasts for 3 seconds.
unkempt pagoda
pretty sure the crit boost only gets refreshed on special
cunning urchin
The Special is unaffected.
eager elk
Sorry, I forgot to clarify. If I had the daed upgrade to allow it to hit twice
it still only gets the benefit once and isn't doubled or something wonky like that?
fiery ginkgo
from a dps perspective, especially on bosses, Dionysus is better
cunning urchin
Yeah, you don't get double crit chance.
eager elk
I figured, just wanted to make sure
fiery ginkgo
but the slow is good too
but i have 140 damage dash attacks on demeter due to a chaos boon
that would be like 70+ hangover on dionysus
man i hate how game makes me make decisions
cunning urchin
Hangover isn't affected by +% Attack boons.
fiery ginkgo
yes i know
i was not counting them
i have the +15 for titan blood, and a +100% damage on dash attack from chaos boon
solid raptor
Is ||guan yu|| worth it at 1 point or just too crippling?
cunning urchin
You're not getting extra damage from Hangover attacks once you've capped your stacks, which happens pretty fast.
limber pine
4th spear is hard to use until maxed out
fiery ginkgo
i'll stay demeter
unkempt pagoda
GY has the same power level from level 1 to 5, but it can be quite hard to handle at level 1
fiery ginkgo
ps this is op as hell, i'm still in tartarus
cunning urchin
Well, the +100% Dash-Strike damage does the same thing on Frost Strike and Drunken Strike because it's additive. It's a non-factor.
solid raptor
What is it at level 5? 0%?
limber pine
50
unkempt pagoda
50%
limber pine
50% is much more manageable than 70%
solid raptor
For sure
unkempt pagoda
1 per hit on the spin
sweet heath
Not enough healing to be useful
cunning urchin
The healing is quite useful, in fact.
unkempt pagoda
if you don't get hit often and you know when to spin, the healing can be very useful
cunning urchin
Most common spin build is Divine Strike. Frost Strike can also work very well.
fiery ginkgo
Wait @cunning urchin is it additive to your full damage or just your base damage
solid raptor
Not the weapon for me then!
limber pine
spamming spin is fine, healing is just the cherry on top
unkempt pagoda
doing small flicks into crowds heals great
cunning urchin
unkempt pagoda
imo the go-to for GY should be charged skewer with preferably artemis
solid raptor
I just need a clear with the spear, but I hate it lol
unkempt pagoda
this is the most damage you can do while still being incredibly safe
then you don't even need things like quick spin, since you only heal when you have to
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish with Charged Skewer will outdamage Deadly Flourish.
And applying Weak helps a lot.
unkempt pagoda
but big number feel good 
cunning urchin
No, but she has the best +% damage and best pom and rarity scaling for +% boons.
So she generally wins on anything with high enough base damage.
But on rail, for example, Lightning Strike wins.
Re Guan Yu, you can get some t2 crit boons for Deadly Flourish to beat Heartbreak Flourish, but Heartbreak Flourish scales better with poms, so it's not a clear win there for either.
So I like applying Weak a lot more, and less maintenance to get up your Special damage, imo.
Can focus more on farming Duo Boons or whatever you want instead of going after t2 crit boons.
sweet heath
wait why would heartbreak outdamage deadly because of charged skewer? wouldn't the skewer dmg get multiplied by crits as well?
soft pine
ugh chaos forced a 50% speed debuff right before elysium boss. WHY DO YOU HATE ME CHAOS?!
unkempt pagoda
you can't crit every time you skewer, aphro has more consistent damage
sweet heath
yea but I'm talking average
cunning urchin
Because Heartbreak Flourish outdamages Deadly Flourish on average.
Charged Skewer doesn't change that.
sweet heath
er
cunning urchin
?
sweet heath
that doesn't seem true according to the above formula
untold quiver
So what are people using on Zeus shield? I'm not getting support fire enough to make it fun
unkempt pagoda
have you tried thunder flourish on it?
either that or getting merciful end on it (though i don't remember if people preferred ares attack/athena special or athena attack/ares special)
valid forge
oh i love zeus shield
its really good with stuff that applies status a lot
hangover, chill, doom if you get doom stacking, zeus
cunning urchin
I don't know what you mean. Charged Skewer is just 3x damage. 3x something greater (Heartbreak Flourish) is more than 3x something less (Deadly Flourish).
valid forge
my fav is going heavy demeter, getting crystal laser, chill on special, then the boon that convert chill into damage
robust anchor
any merciful end gamers here
cunning urchin
I have a tab here that's averaged for crits. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit#gid=258883519
valid forge
ME just got nerfed lul
unkempt pagoda
indirectly nerfed, ME is still the same on the zeus shield build
robust anchor
barely
valid forge
so im a bit confused how exactly does ME work
robust anchor
apply doom stack. anything else that deflects will immediately proc it.
unkempt pagoda
divine dash is now not a valid pre-req for ME (but it still works with it)
valid forge
so if you have deflect on attack and doom on special you can special -> attack to proc doom
robust anchor
the strat is apply a doom and dash through em, then repeat
valid forge
oh dash works best that makes sense
robust anchor
for chaos shield it was ares attack charge, then shotgun all special shields in their face
unkempt pagoda
so now you're forced to take a non-dash athena boon first before you take dash, for ME
if anything, the chaos shield change made ME even better on it
sweet heath
Yea I'm saying according to the formula it looks like deadly has a higher average, not heartbreak
cunning urchin
Pretty sure the ME change today was just essentially a bug fix. Shouldn't change too much. Wasn't there some Doom bug that were people were abusing for a bit on Chaos Aspect in 1.0?
Something like Doom triggering multiple times.
unkempt pagoda
oh yeah, there was a bit of an exploit
basically, all the chaos shields hit on the same frame, so they all proc'd ME
unkempt pagoda
so people were dooming for over 1k at a time
cunning urchin
Lol
tight cypress
yeah, that bug seems similar to getting off multiple empowered hestia shots if you clicked fast enough or something
cunning urchin
So it doesn't change anything else.
unkempt pagoda
it also worked with demfists, i believe
prisma dove
Dem fists feel really good after upgrading them
soft pine
I should like to see a 1k doom
prisma dove
Particularly smacking something 4 times in a single uppercut
cunning urchin
I was robbed of my easy 50+ heat Demeter Aspect because you didn't tell me sooner.
unkempt pagoda
lol it's not like fists has a real hard time with ME otherwise
prisma dove
Is that ME Athena build the meta right now?
cunning urchin
Exactly why that bug would have been great for 50. 
robust anchor
ME kinda neat for any melee weapon
cunning urchin
ME with Divine Dash to trigger it has been meta on melee for awhile. But it's not the only meta build.
unkempt pagoda
anyways, RIP any last vestiges of fun on chaos shield, we barely knew ya
that ME exploit was the only thing holding you up 😔
prisma dove
Any duos that are stupid fun to play with?
soft pine
I just cleared hades with underworld customs active and the prophecy isn't registering it. 8 |
robust anchor
yes merciful end
tight cypress
at the very least we still have chaos cheering you on with that aspect, so that's something
prisma dove
Been thinking about the Poseidon-Demeter boon
robust anchor
or art ares duo
unkempt pagoda
blizzard shot, lightning phalanx, curse of drowning, scintillating feast + ice wine, hunting blades
prisma dove
Oh curse of drowning is great
unkempt pagoda
crystal clarity
soft pine
blizzard shot absolutely melts Hades if you have like 4-5 stones
unkempt pagoda
blizzard shot melts at 1 stone lol
prisma dove
With the Hera bow?
soft pine
achilles spear
prisma dove
How would it work with the ||Beowulf|| shield
unkempt pagoda
achilles or poseidon
north panther
Something I've been wondering about hangover stacks; since they can have different values from different moves, what takes priority? Last/newest applied or largest DoT?
unkempt pagoda
it doesn't, shield4 changes the behavior of all casts
soft pine
I got curse of drowning once and hated it
prisma dove
😦
Oh that's a good question, I typically never have more than one hangover applicant move on my build
cunning urchin
@soft pine F10 if something like that happens.
soft pine
bahaha
north panther
I would imagine/hope its the biggest replaces the smallest and refreshes or something, otherwise I feel like it's very anti-synergy
soft pine
I didn't like the delay from when you cast to when it starts to pulse
cunning urchin
Hangover doesn't overwrite previous stacks.
soft pine
's why dio call is great, unless you're already hangovering mobs with attacks
cunning urchin
Not really a problem. Just something to be aware of.
sharp anvil
Before the patch, you only needed doom attack and athena dash to get ME?
cunning urchin
That was before 1.0.
sweet heath
sry stepped out, ah I see according to the spreadsheet heartbreak is more at epic/heroic
gusty parcel
Hestia probably. Lucifer is fun. Eris is good too. Zagreus is a bit w/e
lost cairn
Hestia was a revelation for me. Had to rebind reload on controller though
hearty elbow
Eris and Hestia
lost cairn
Also it needs lvl 5 imo
lapis matrix
150 damage boost
cunning urchin
Also more after just a couple poms. And in practice, Heartbreak Flourish will often kill in 1 throw while Deadly Flourish will need either 2 throws or overkill in 1 throw.
steep oasis
What aspects do you recommend?
I only have the first 3 of each weapon available to be unlocked
cunning urchin
Poseidon Aspect is quite strong at Lv.1 already. So is Nemesis.
tidal edge
hera bow is strong at lvl 1
tidal edge
lol fair
tidal edge
it plays a lot different than zag bow fwiw
sweet heath
I'm also sold on heartbreak cause weak both makes you more tanky and is a debuff, but yea, nice spreadsheet btw
steep oasis
Zag Bow?
tidal edge
default bow
cunning urchin
Poseidon is the purest cast build aspect. Lv.1 already lets you spam casts to your heart's content. Extra levels will only give you more cast damage.
tidal edge
bow go plink
hearty elbow
All the bows are great
lapis matrix
Fists go whoosh?
steep oasis
I can't get into the bow
or the fists
too close
even tho i like the melee
lmao
tidal edge
I haven't really enjoyed fists either
steep oasis
just feels weak imo
cunning urchin
Nemesis is the best sword for DPS because its Special ability gives you crits on your Attack. Lv.1 already gives 15% crit chance, so that's really good for 1 Titan Blood.
soft pine
as soon as I get posi on special I start to like fists
steep oasis
I love the rail
tidal edge
fists are really strong, I just don't vibe with the gameplay
steep oasis
i like to think that someone in supergiant, was smoking something and was like, what if we added a bloody assault rifle to our greek mythology game.
cunning urchin
Lol
For Rail, either Eris or Hestia would be best. But they both require a few levels of investment to really pay off.
steep oasis
"And let's not stop there, let's add a grenade launcher to it. and have a ability to shoot 3 at the same time"
soft pine
does Exit Wounds do anything with stygian soul?
cunning urchin
Lol you should watch the noclip documentaries sometime to see their early ideas for the rail.
tidal edge
oh yeah I've been meaning to watch that
solid cairn
lost a GY run with charged skewer and quick spin...
steep oasis
GY run?
cunning urchin
That happens. The aspect is very unforgiving.
solid cairn
elysium boss took like 2 death defiances
steep oasis
i still need to beat the elysium boss
I just need a way to find out how to do it well
lmao
cunning urchin
You're probably better off in #h1-for-new-players to avoid spoilers.
steep oasis
probs right
cunning urchin
tidal edge
yeah I think so
tidal edge
well spoilers are allowed so it's not like you can't say it lol
soft pine
so
tidal edge
but I do think explaining how to beat a fight to someone who hasn't yet is a spoiler
cunning urchin
No, but most spoilers are allowed in this channel. New player channel is better for new players if they haven't gotten past Elysium yet.
solid cairn
should I settle for a low rarity cast on poseidon
soft pine
sometimes you gotta take a normie boon and pom it up mate
cunning urchin
You can just help them out with the boss fight in the newbie channel.
tidal edge
@solid cairn I actually wonder that a lot, when to take the first acceptable boon vs. trying to high roll or wait for something better
soft pine
hmph, was going for a achilles true shot run, got trip dash, arty dash, and chaos +dash, now my dash does more damage than my cast. pffffffff
tidal edge
knowing which is better prob just comes with experience, I'm just winging it rn
quartz remnant
I haven't used Rail much so I want to try it with the Hestia aspect. Which god and hammers should I be using?
soft pine
I think the only difference between a normal boon and an epic boon is a few poms
cunning urchin
Rarity don't matter. Synergy does.
quartz remnant
I was thinking Aphrodite...
tidal edge
aphro attack is great for hestia
soft pine
why can't I quit you, Artemis?
tidal edge
@quartz remnant oh and the hammers that let you pierce or bounce off to a second foe are great for hestia too
quartz remnant
Thank you! Dang, it feels like a shotgun now.
I maxed out Hestia before this run.
tidal edge
shotgun that lets you kill from off screen 
quartz remnant
tidal edge
everyone recommends shield for newer players but I feel like hestia is the real EZ mode lol
warm compass
what are the best boons for Hidden Aspect Spear
quartz remnant
Oh, I just used that on my last run.
I used a combination of Artemis Special and Poseidon Attack.
lost cairn
Shield is safer of course
quartz remnant
I stacked up on boons that added rupture to the knock-back effect and then powered it up even more with other Poseidon boons.
Then I used the hammer that give me the dash-strike buff x 3
Mobs melted after that.
warm compass
imma give that a try righ tnow
quartz remnant
It was the only time I've won using the Spear, haha.
soft pine
trip dash strike is awesome.
tidal edge
@lost cairn I think it's easier to stay out of range than to block tbh
soft pine
aphro on attack, arty dash strike boon. it's damn good
lost cairn
Depends
To block you just have to hold the attack, I guess new players have easier times with that on some crazy projectile spams
soft pine
it's also good with athena attack, you can deflect 1/3 of the screen
tidal edge
yeah some of the witch and styx rooms are prob easier for beginners with shield
cunning urchin
shotgun that lets you kill from off screen
It's a sniper rifle lol.
solid raptor
I take back everything I said about the spear. Dash strike builds are disgusting. Goddamn.
tidal edge
well there's no scope, and shotguns can fire slugs too
mostly just riffing off Musely calling it a shotgun lol
lost cairn
Try it with Artemis dash. It's underrated
warm compass
wow you weren't kidding this is super strong
quartz remnant
🙂
tidal edge
are you guys just getting serrated point on demand? wtf
unkempt pagoda
no we just save-scum ❤️
tidal edge
warm compass
no I got really lucky. This is only the second time I've gotten it ever
and I just happened to get all the right boons
the fates willed it, honestly
this is my run
tidal edge
u got this
solid raptor
Ayy let's go just got my last clear so all weapons are done. Serrated point with the hermes boon that gives you more dashes and speed boost when you dash is buuusted.
quartz remnant
Why do I keep getting Ares as a choice -- I want Zeus for Smoldering Air.
I guess I could get the Doom special just for the debuff bonus
lost cairn
It works but it's really short duration
lost cairn
I guess
quartz remnant
rip
warm compass
yeh
aint that just the way
I swear the game throws something to perfectly counter what you're doing
I was doing tons of damage but they threw the gorgon miniboss at me
I hate that encounter
cunning urchin
If you've taken 1 boon from Lord Ares in your run, he's 1 of the 4 gods in your pool for the rest of the run.
He has really good passives, though, if you don't want his core boons.
soft pine
pfft, making me clear all the satyr tunnels. PTTTHHBBTTH!
lost cairn
is it really 4 + Hermes? can't you force more with keepsakes?
fierce thicket
you can force more to spawn with keepsakes but only for that 1 time, you won't see any more from them
silk anvil
my runs have been stopping at Thesius and Asterius
why have the gods forsaken me?
soft pine
||when the pink reticle is uponst you, DASH!||
stark ore
How does Sure Footing work with Heightened Security?
soft pine
no idea, although I imagine it reduces the penalty by however much
cunning urchin
you can force more to spawn with keepsakes but only for that 1 time, you won't see any more from them
You'll see them more often than that.
But it just tends to make your build unfocused anyway.
lost cairn
family favourite!
soft pine
don't serrated point for too long or you'll forget how to play with a normal dash. XD
vernal bolt
you ever just divine dash at the dire satyr
and just watch him melt
in amusement
nice poison idiot
magic wagon
How do Aspect of Chiron and Thunder Flourish on it's special work together? Does every shot on the same target trigger the lightning effect?
When I tried this out, it seemed that it only works with half of the shots and damage should be way higher than it is.
hearty elbow
Lightning can only proc once every .2 seconds
soft pine
I like hangover on chiron spec
hearty elbow
I used to, but now it does big boy damage, so Heartbreak or Deadly Flourish it is.
magic wagon
Lightning can only proc once every .2 seconds
@hearty elbow Thank you very much, that explains so much!
Yeah heartbreak seems way stronger
So it doesn't work with chaos shield either then?
lone lava
For farming bounties quickly should I just get zag shield lvl5?
hearty elbow
Depends. It works on the way back too so you do get a decent number of procs
lone lava
I've been doing ME zeus atm but it's pretty slow clears if you don't pull ME for ages
hearty elbow
Level 1 Rail, Level 5 Zag Bow, Level 5 Zag Shield, Level 1+ Malphon, Level 1+ Nemesis are all great options
spiral tree
so....
lone lava
I actually have everything unlocked, mostly just want speed and consistency
lone lava
I maxed GY and chiron first
magic wagon
cursed slash doesnt seem to work well with arthur
@spiral tree You mean that it's weak or that interaction is broken?
hazy slate
cursed slash does like, a flat amount of health per hit
arthur is slow so not a lot of hits
so not a lot of healign
which boons go well with gun 4th aspect?
magic wagon
Yeah, that's quite logical
so not a lot of healign
@hazy slate
lone lava
@hazy slate zeus attack
magic wagon
@hazy slate zeus attack
@lone lava And probably Artemis or Aphrodite on special
spiral tree
trying pos keepsake with arthur
robust anchor
try aph on the attack lol
hazy slate
I mean, arthur is useful for big damage numbers
smoky dust
does rupture work as it looks like it should? if I have a 20 damage one an enemy is taking 100 dps as they walk around the map? do enemies actually do that? is it effective?
untold vortex
@boreal zinc in regards to your most recent post in #hades-feedback please report bugs in game using F10 (if playing on PC), or #h1-tech-support (if playing on switch), the feedback channel is for feedback on the current patch/experience with the game
Thus the message will be deleted
hearty elbow
@smoky dust It does work as described. It's very good in combination with Poseidon's Aid or Tidal Dash
boreal zinc
@untold vortex Okay, I thought it was a feedback thing since that contract setting edits all colums
I thought it was intended
untold vortex
Please read the pinned messages in full :3
boreal zinc
Okay, my bad. Sorry
fluid trench
is... is chaos cast buff supposed to not be working on thunder flare, or
barren bridge
guys, is the spire's spin attack considered as "attack" for the stats?
jagged perch
wait ||gilgamesh|| looks really hard to unlock
barren bridge
I mean does the attack bonus stats benefit the spin attack?
soft pine
@barren bridge I think so, when I was running achilles the special damage + boosted my spin
smoky dust
how does second wave interact with razor shoals, if at all?
soft pine
tried to make a build around it coz I got the fast spin hammer boon, but spin attack is fail
drifting vale
Yes spin attack is considered an attack because its just an attack but held
barren bridge
ty guys
smoky dust
can theseus & minotaur do an attack that hits you from behind? trying to figure out how I took damage while doing the shield block thing and they were both in front of me. I don't mean the random AOEs that fall. does one of their spin attacks hit behind you somehow?
also regarding knockback vs bosses near walls, I just tested that with minotaur carefully, had him right up against a pillar in the arena and hit him a bunch of times with shield (with push boon, and second wave) and the "wall slam" or whatever words never came up
vital roost
Theseus throws his spear and calls it back the same way you use your spear special
smoky dust
ahhh yeah that would do it
vital roost
He just killed me doing exactly that on my last run
smoky dust
ugh... almost won but turns out hades can like, walk and push you out of the way, and he snapped me away from a wall where I was shield blocking, so I was suddenly blocking the wrong direction and got killed in the ass
untold vortex
@fluid trench @jagged perch ||Gilgamesh was added in 1.0, please use spoiler tags for 1.0 content||
mental imp
Hey what does the dedalous boom eternal chamber for lucifer's weapon do(?
untold quiver
Hmmmm looking for a different god to chase on special for Chiron......is there an internal cooldown on seastorm?
devout ether
Hey what does the dedalous boom eternal chamber for lucifer's weapon do(?
@mental imp Legendary aspects are usually locked out of receiving specific incompatible boons
This also happens with some of the others, too
quartz remnant
They get special hammer boons though.
smoky dust
what does demeter's aoe thing do exactly when you fight against her? i just died very far away from it after dashing close to it then dashing far away
does it put a dot on you?
hazy slate
Pretty sure it makes a damageing area blizzard thing
onyx parcel
I died man
Finally died
After a 27 streak
Died with serrated point spear
MAN
I hate it here
Nope
Just feels good
gilded nymph
quick spin or massive spin
stable grotto
so question
im making an "Over explained" run video where I go through a playthrough and talk about my decisions and give strong tips post game. As such no core story elements are going to be shown but it does spoil one of the unlockable aspects. If that video is made what channel would be best to show it in
untold vortex
#self-promotion with spoiler tags
smoky atlas
so i just tried meme beam with cold embrace for the first time
gotta say it was pretty funny
outer oar
that weapon is fun
i like hangover special with it
i realize now you meant demeter cast
smoky atlas
yea, with aphro/demeter duo
stable grotto
i have a really silly clip
outer oar
im a fan of demeter cast too
stable grotto
i wanna show yall how silly that weapon can be but i need to link the vid elsewwhere
outer oar
demeter cast is surprisingly pretty nice with hermes additional cast speed
feels pretty smooth
languid storm
It's too bad going for the aphro duo cancels the artemis duo on the meme beam to give it two beams per crystal or something
smoky atlas
demeter cast + stygian soul and increased beam uptime is really funny
spiral tree
welp
stable grotto
pretty much it was beam, demeter cast, tri beam and support fire
smoky atlas
you can have like 10 beams running at once
outer oar
arthur's gud
stable grotto
whats the secret to arthur
spiral tree
kiting enemies so you chunk them together with the wide swings @stable grotto
Also IMO the most important thing with arthur seems to be knowing when to commit to the combo and when to cancel it and dash away
languid storm
Excal is an absolute banger.
Guts cosplay all day
spiral tree
lol
smoky dust
I like this indie developer taking risks and going off the beaten path, like I did not expect so much post end game content after the lava fight with the witches
thorn latch
Hermes is a must have right?
outer oar
he usually gives you something useful
languid storm
I never complain about hermes but I wouldn't say must have
the best thing he has is probably the gold per room boon
outer oar
my favorite
thorn latch
I can’t get 100 damage without him
outer oar
is sturdy dash + movement speed bonus
that is a really nice combo
er, movement speed dmg bonus
ironically one of hermes worst boons itself is movement speed imo
thorn latch
Ares seems broken when combined with Hermes
outer oar
the additional casts?
turbid needle
Either of his Legendaries are monster powerful with Blade Rifts.
outer oar
actually i guess either additional casts or the other thing isg reat
outer oar
saw someone with stygian soul get both hermes legendaries
turbid needle
You got Bad News?
outer oar
the daedalus hammer triggers me so much because it never gives me what i want and also never appears when i want it to
thorn latch
The slash thing is the one I use the most
i can’t seem to get it consistently though
outer oar
using anything with unique hammers is probably bad for trying to get something in particular for what its worth
unless that something in particular is the unique hammer, since those seem to be weighted
thorn latch
have you ever used heroic boons?
outer oar
i trade for them all the time and regret it
thorn latch
From what I’ve seen from a friend he could do 300 damage per hit with heroic boons
I don’t know if he was cheating or not though
smoky atlas
you can do dmg in the thousands
thorn latch
Yeah
smoky atlas
with the right boon combo ofc
thorn latch
He was able to do thousands with moves
outer oar
speaking of right combos
smoky atlas
also gotta be a bit lucky with boon spawns
outer oar
i love me some bow hidden aspect
particularly with the +4 special spot
the only interesting synergy ive found is
smoky atlas
nemesis, arthur at least in my experience consistently dish out dmg in that range or higher
outer oar
demeter's chill blast on 10 stacks
spiral tree
I was doing like 900 damage with 3rd hit of arthur
thorn latch
He used this Sabre
outer oar
any othejr suggestions
thorn latch
I don’t know what it’s called
smoky atlas
sabre looking thing is nemesis
languid storm
The bow aspect that lets you imbue your cast is absolutely insane
languid storm
with zero investment and the recharging cast it's always relevant
thorn latch
yeah
He finished a whole run from down to up in probably mere minutes
And he had a time limit punishment
I don’t even know how you get that strong in the game
outer oar
its not that hard with seeded runs
smoky atlas
i wonder if its against the rules to post a video link here of the final boss fight
if you spoiler tag it
outer oar
i thought i felt OP in hades until i turned up the heat
even my best builds wouldnt have saved me
smoky atlas
they have armor
robust anchor
blue health ignores one whole hit no matter the damage
quartz remnant
Using 4th spear with Artemis Special + 117% Special Chaos + Charged Skewer (charge up to 200%)
outer oar
crowd control is variable
easy for some weapons to deal with
more annoying for others
thorn latch
It’s insane how strong you can be in this game
quartz remnant
and not the spin attack
thorn latch
I feel so weak
outer oar
4th spear is really versatile
focusing on the spin attack intrinsically is a mistake imo
it has higher base dmg
robust anchor
pick the right stuff and youll be strong
outer oar
its an option to heal to make up for that
it can go either attack or special
ofc there are some spin attack builds that can wreck
but that depends on you getting hammers
random light
Spin Attack builds pretty much all heavily depend on the Rapid Spin hammer
robust anchor
i also think streamers make it seem easier than it actually is
smoky atlas
||https://youtu.be/ynRT2erHTzE?t=140|| i didnt even plan this out but it looked funny so i wanted to share
thorn latch
I’ve noticed that Hermes makes a huge difference
thorn latch
At least with heroic boons
outer oar
serrated points 4th spear is really gud too
quartz remnant
that's the 3x dash strike right?
outer oar
ya
robust anchor
starting with 25 hp sadge
quartz remnant
I had that with Poseidon knock-back and boons buffing the knockback effect
robust anchor
and one hit immediately lose confidence sadge
quartz remnant
satyr maze mobs melted
outer oar
i had that kind of build with the bow
thorn latch
what’s the last weapon you get to unlock called?
outer oar
4th aspect
thorn latch
The gun one
outer oar
and +4 special shot
smoky atlas
yea tidal dash is really good for satyr maze
outer oar
stuff got rammed into a wall and then died extremely fast
poseidon is OP in temple of the styx
smoky atlas
poseidon special with chiron, or 4th bow special are really funny in styx
outer oar
sadly poseidon is not so great vs. hades
smoky atlas
poseidon is good vs hades
thorn latch
The shield is really bad from my experience
outer oar
i have a harder time than with other builds
quartz remnant
if you get the boss+ damage boon from Poseidon
outer oar
yeah
quartz remnant
then it's decent
outer oar
it really depends on that
smoky atlas
but yea vs hades it depends on which boons u get
smoky atlas
poseidon + zeus is always great
robust anchor
try merciful end build
thorn latch
I feel like the shield works against itself
acoustic venture
even spear in comparison feels like it has so much more damage output
thorn latch
It strives to be bad
robust anchor
shield is very good
outer oar
not a fan of the shield but i really enjoyed blitz disc
i put hangover on it
then just chucked it and had it following me around putting hangover on everything
smoky atlas
blitz shield is great for kiting bosses
outer oar
what i liked about blitz disc was i could attack after setting up my shield turret
acoustic venture
I'm glad Chaos isnt brainless anymore
but like, the dps out of feels so nerfed as a result
Zagspect is just,,,,, bad
smoky atlas
you can throw it out, call it back, then run around and the furies will die chasing after you
acoustic venture
theres no reason to pick Zagspect once you have any other shield
thorn latch
I just realized how weak Zagreus is
outer oar
shield chucking feels so boring to me
thorn latch
He Depends on all these boons
outer oar
same as playing with spear special really
just dash around forever and chuck until they die
smoky atlas
little hades is just a sprout godling
thorn latch
I wonder how strong hercule is compared to Zagreus
smoky atlas
mortals seem op as hell in this universe
thorn latch
Yeah
smoky atlas
so i guess really fricking strong
outer oar
is theseus your metric for mortals being strong
lone lava
damn can't paste images here
smoky atlas
kind of yea
outer oar
why does extreme measures give him a tank then
smoky atlas
base theseus takes half of your hp bar with a single spear throw
(if you dont have any enchanment from nyx)
acoustic venture
I mean
|| Hades can one shot you without any buffs ||
so gods overall are just stronger
thorn latch
I feel like he’s the weakest of all gods
outer oar
hades? no way
acoustic venture
plus Zag hasnt found what he's || the god of || and been allowed to harness and use that, so like, he's in his god infancy
smoky atlas
yea but youre the son of a god, and a mortal can 2shot you, while you have to hit him a bunch of times to kill him
acoustic venture
I think its more so that Zag is babby god
hazy slate
I’m pretty sure Theseus is just really exceptional among mortals
thorn latch
Yeah
hazy slate
I mean going boon less is feasible
acoustic venture
I mean, he does have || red blood ||
smoky atlas
trash god
outer oar
going boon-less really shows how much of a god you are
hazy slate
Yeah
thorn latch
I wonder just how strong he’ll get in the future
outer oar
that said boon-less is probably dead without time limit?
acoustic venture
also I don't think its fair to call Theseus human once hes a Shade bc hes able to just rez constantly and do whatever, so being a Shade essentially removed his mortal limits in a way?
outer oar
er, with it, rather
thorn latch
Go boneless with full heat gauge
smoky atlas
||alecto|| calls you a trash god because ||you bleed red||, but ||hades bleeds red too|| so idk if she's aware that she's been trash talking her boss the entire time
thorn latch
Imagine Theseus with boons
hazy slate
I mean, that’s kinda like his second phase
languid storm
theseus has peak himbo energy
quartz remnant
no zag has more himbo energy
hazy slate
^
thorn latch
I’d say he’s peak human
thorn latch
Yeah
turbid needle
Zag is too on-the-ball, Theseus is too much of a dork to not be peak Himbo.
smoky atlas
just the fact that some peak humans are admired and respected by the gods show that the gap btw humans and gods in this universe isnt large
outer oar
idk about that
smoky atlas
achiles is hired to train the son of the god of the underworld
thorn latch
Chaos is the only dangerous one here
outer oar
gods have limitless lifespan
thorn latch
Myth wise
outer oar
so they have the persepctive to admire a small life reaching such levels of high prowess
doesnt mean its near them
smoky atlas
i mean, a peak human can give a trash god a real fight
hazy slate
Shouldn’t all of this discussion go in discussion or story?
smoky atlas
so theres some overlap there
lone lava
what would you guys pom here?
|| https://imgur.com/a/ClkXVm2 ||
lone lava
for nemesis
smoky atlas
poseidon + zeus+poseidon duo @outer oar
outer oar
that sounds good
hazy slate
Personally either strike or pressure point
outer oar
knockback special + double lightning is the idea there right