Hmm that's pretty underwhelming
#h1-builds-and-combat
split wharf
ebon tinsel
it has an internal cooldown of .2 seconds
split wharf
I think Chiron is better off stacking damage with Demeter or Aphrodite or something anyway
ebon tinsel
its not bad on chiron if you get a full zeus run going
limber pine
it's still a lot of damage seeing how fast you can spam special
split wharf
Demeter in particular can work super well
fading fog
aspect of ||lucifer|| procs on every hit with attack, aspect of chiron does not proc zeus on every hit with its special
ebon tinsel
attack doesnt have the cooldown special for zeus does tho
split wharf
But yea I don't love going Zeus with Chiron
I don't think you can really push the damage beyond what you get elsewhere
If I'm already super deep into the Zeus upgrade tree and get the chance to swap out my special, it's a different story
But as the first god of my run, nah
random light
what are the best cast combos for Poseidon blade?
I've been using Artemis and Poseidon for Mirage Shot
what else should i get
gusty parcel
Yeah Zues is real weird. I prefer Zeus.
devout ether
Zeus is okay if you get jolt plus the jolt extension
gusty parcel
Sorry, had to do it.
fluid scaffold
poseidon blade knocks Casts out of enemies right?
split wharf
I think the things that are traditionally good with segmented attacks aren't neccesarily good with Chiron
fluid scaffold
sounds good with artemis
chrome geyser
zeus with chiron is bad; because zeus bolts have an application cooldown of .2 seconds
which on the volley hits 2 times or so
split wharf
I don't really like Dionysis with Chiron either
limber pine
yeah but Poseidon Special + Zeus dual boon on Chiron works cause it's just extra damage
distant wind
i had an incredibly easy run with mirage shot and blizzard shot. it wasn't even leveled well or anything, just felt op
chrome geyser
with artemis; it also creates +7.5% crit chance which is neat
split wharf
Yeah, sea storm with Chiron seems great
chrome geyser
aphrodite, artemis and dio trio on the bow is insane
split wharf
That's just the best of both worlds
But then again, Sea Storm is good with just about anything
chrome geyser
+9% crit chance (you can get that easily to 15% with pressure points), +250% crits.
split wharf
I don't think there's a weapon that can't benefit off the "Sea storm build"
chrome geyser
it also does not knockback 7 times on chiron; knockback also has a cooldown
so it's not +280 damage from bolts
split wharf
That doesn't super matter imo
chrome geyser
but pretty good damage still with sea storm on chiron
i love it
also amazin +% damage boost
split wharf
Obviously, it would be absurd if it did trigger for every arrow
But it doesn't really need to in order to be good, yeah
ebon tinsel
Zeus is underrated with chiron imo
chrome geyser
its ok if not on special
special has a much greater potential using other boons
literally anything else is better
ebon tinsel
i mean its similar dps if u add everything up its jsut less consistent cuz you need legendary etc
chrome geyser
well if you are saying that; going poseidon and then going sea storm gets you there
ebon tinsel
thats even less consistent
chrome geyser
getting sea storm is less consistent than getting every zeus upgrade boon?
limber pine
Poseidon special alone is good enough with rupture and knockback, Zeus just makes it better
ebon tinsel
no getting sea storm and upgrades to make sea storm worth it is less consistent
chrome geyser
yep. anyone else with the % upgrades; doom or hangover outdamages the two bolts from zeus
poseidon at base outdamages zeus fully upgraded
pseudo stream
for Beowulf, the playstyle... do you just spam the explosion and hopefully charged flight?
ebon tinsel
thats a hot take
chrome geyser
and rupture makes it much better
And you can get some zeus damage added with their duo; but even without their duo its better than zeus
zeus bolt procs twice; +60 damage
volley base damage; 15 * 7 = 105
poseidon brings it up to 178.5
pseudo stream
also is Minotaur bad with Beowulf? feels very slow
chrome geyser
from base; better
royal peak
i have a question about pierced butterfly. If i were to trade it in between levels, will i keep the bonus damage or does it go away?
gusty parcel
Goes away.
chrome geyser
and zeus does not synergize with relentless or concentrated volley
royal peak
dang aight thx
gusty parcel
You have to hold the keepsake to get the benefit.
errant anchor
For the fists, does kinetic launcher synergize well with aspect of demeter?
drifting vale
Yes
Its very strong
Also for whatever reason dash and then special results in one more hit
pine folio
for the spear aspect of zag or achilles
turbid needle
I do love the kinetic launcher+aspect of demeter combo. Throwing 5 hadoukens in a row is fun ,especially if you trigger privileged position with the first one or if the target already had it
and @pine folio Achilles is a bit stronger, you need to get used to teh dash though. It also powers up your cast
pine folio
k
fading fog
what cast boon is best for aspect of hera
turbid needle
probably aphordites/poseidon
or dyonisus
they're the ones that hit the hardest from teh get go
empty gazelle
I like Poseidon for the damage/spacing
inland meadow
wait... I just saw something on the wiki... rama can get flurry shot?
turbid needle
I should still unlock aspect of Rama
solid cairn
rama is so good
stoic thicket
Yup. Rama is what made me convert to the bow.
solid cairn
same
well I still stand by the sword
yup
try it on the fists
any of them, demeter is recommended tho
ares attack athena special
it's used in speedruns
tall nest
Does +% Special Damage increase the lightning damage from Thunder Flourish? Or it only applies to the base damage?
drifting vale
@tall nest cant confirm but like 90% certainly its only additional base
fair plinth
question
demeter's frozen touch, "completely chill your foe"
is it 10 stacks or an actual freeze
livid comet
Aw, lysol has left the server, I wanted to thank them for the tips from yesterday
jaunty locust
so nemesis sword synergizes just automatically with Artemis right?
unkempt zephyr
i wanted to try out what retrograde suggested a few hours ago so athena on dash/special and ares on attack was really crazy, plus i got doom stacking damage and straight up boosts to doom damage
@lime lodge Try its. specialy on 4th fists. becaus they can get +50% more damage. and have bonus dashes+ AoE attacks.and you can take Ruthless Reflex(another 50% damage with 50% Dodje). but need some practice.
pine folio
wat upgrade should i do for aspect of achilles
nvm wat cast boon should i do for aspect of acellies
jaunty locust
does the achilles spear boost your cast damage? If so, something that hits hard closeup like aphrodite would be good
tbh aphordite would be good anyway because you want big burst damage when needed
unkempt zephyr
nvm wat cast boon should i do for aspect of acellies
@pine folio Try poseidon cast and duo with ares. Its melt.
proven osprey
hey guys, is spread fire good ?
jaunty locust
the call might be ok? Idk if I would want zeus on achilles
but experiment, and see how it goes
lost elbow
Is there a list of all builds?
deep dome
yeah, especially high heat, I feel like the "I want to care about optimal builds" and "I turned up the pact and now I don't get build choices" crowds have a lot of overlap.
fair plinth
epic hyper sprint vs epic quick favor, suggestions?
pine folio
@jaunty locust it worked it destroyed alecto
fair plinth
I usually take hyper sprint but 1% favor per second sounds very attractive
solid raptor
Anyone got a good build for the achilles spear?
turbid needle
Cast build, any of them.
turbid needle
I really like Hunting Blades.
jaunty locust
I don’t even know what the cast builds are
pine folio
for aspect of achilles wat spical should i grab
proven osprey
got my answer, spread fire is awesome
rose iron
Question: Who provides the highest raw damage to normal attacks? Aprhodite?
unkempt zephyr
Question: Who provides the highest raw damage to normal attacks? Aprhodite?
@rose iron Aphro and demeter. aphro best
rose iron
Gotcha. Next time I go in I'm thinking of doing a Hestia run, wanted to see how much damage I could get on empowered shots with it.
unkempt zephyr
Gotcha. Next time I go in I'm thinking of doing a Hestia run, wanted to see how much damage I could get on empowered shots with it.
@rose iron epic boons 1lvlv aphro near 100%. demeter near 80%
rose iron
So here's a weird question, if I fire an empowered shot while dashing, is that counted as a dash attack?
IE, could I get Artemis in my dash slot for more damage?
chrome geyser
@proven osprey spread fire is amazing; cause your dash attack still does two attacks
turbid needle
it counts as dash attack ye
proven osprey
should I go Ares, maybe dio ?
chrome geyser
for what?
proven osprey
the attack move
proven osprey
chrome geyser
get someone with %boost
i mean they will be fine; but usually high base damage is better with %damage
doom is better on base rail rather than spread fire; cause you would dire misfortune increase it faster
due to faster attack speed
chrome geyser
haha yeah
i like artemis with spread fire.
Also go for chaos attack upgrades if you can
spread fire is insane
fair plinth
so um
what happens when the game crashes halfway through hades fight?
do you autolose or just restart the fight
chrome geyser
load and find out
sometimes you start from the house
sometimes you start from the last room you finished
random light
there's been a couple mini updates the past couple days
probs just small things
little tweaks
fair plinth
NOOOOO BACK AT THE HOUSE
random light
F
fair plinth
I didn't even get my drops T_T
aight so if I restart this run
will i get the same seeds?
rocky trail
damn, max hp coronacht special spamming lets me face tank final boss
just trade hits no dodging
chrome geyser
yup same seed
sorry; it happens 😦
i think it's an anti-quit feature; the game saves every room but if it's interrupted (you take damage in a room) it makes it unreachable
notice how you can quit in a room with enemies if you have not taken damage
drifting vale
Sortve
chrome geyser
its a bifurcation
and it becomes fully random after the first biome
it's only tartarus that's the same with couple different possible paths
drifting vale
That can change based on certain things you do like the number of casts you use how many times you talk to people
Small things like that change what rooms you get
chrome geyser
i also think the time you took to reach a biome also influences a seed; so that's why the 2nd and 3rd biomes are random
limber pine
egg isn't worth it
chrome geyser
egg is so worth it
fair plinth
still got 20-ish encounters to go
chrome geyser
wait i thought you got one
limber pine
god keepsake is still better at initial stages since you can shape your run
proven osprey
well i'm dumb
sold zeus one
did not get anything from aphro
still tearing ennemies apart tho, I got Dio buff with foutains
chrome geyser
eh. I think it's better 2nd onwards
small arch
If I'm looking for Chaos to unlock Aegis hidden aspect, do I need to be using Aegis for dialogue to appear?
sudden glen
You need 5 blood in shield and speak with chaos
proven osprey
and done
run complete without attack modifier on spread fire
I got the auto gauge charge + zeus, kinda helped
fair plinth
btw what is hell mode? Is it just all weapons + heat unlocked from first run onwards?
limber pine
Heat 5 at the start or something
hallow totem
I need a good fist build
covert grove
@cunning urchin Never finished the no hit, tragically. Closest I got was middle of Styx
robust anchor
@hallow totem try demeter fist with athena atk and art special and athena dash
@fair plinth you can google for more specifics but its just some pact stuff cannot be disabled. you heal less, enemies deal more etc.
jade rover
I honestly am starting to feel like thesius and co is a harder fight than redacted, at least unti||l em4||
chrome geyser
hell mode is you need to up the heat every time you finish a run
stiff jacinth
Random strategy question:
Who do y'all think synergizes better with Poseidon, Artemis or Dionysus?
chrome geyser
and there is a special heat that disables invulnerability when you receive a lot of damage in a short time
depends on weapon?
stiff jacinth
Let's say with Coronacht.
jade rover
I tend to favor arty
jade rover
splitting headache is pretty nasty
chrome geyser
and get athena on cast too for splitting headache
stiff jacinth
as it happens I already have Athena in my back pocket
chrome geyser
ideal would be poseidon attack + rupture, dio special, artemis cast, athena dash
stiff jacinth
but I've already got three gods on my side so it'll be either Arty or Dio.
(last one's Ares.)
chrome geyser
who do you have on your mains?
stiff jacinth
what channels can I post screens in?
chrome geyser
i wouldgo dio
stiff jacinth
So that's Poseidon attack, Athena dash, and nothing in my cast or special yet
chrome geyser
esp if you have privilege turned on
stiff jacinth
Unfortunately I do not
chrome geyser
and try to get his flourish
stiff jacinth
Dio Flourish on Chiron is pretty spicey
chrome geyser
or go for ares on flourish
with dire misfortune
and carry some other trinket
and leave the last god as randow
stiff jacinth
doesn't help me much when the SOB doesn't even show up 🤣
chrome geyser
you still get screwed by rng still; but i like it better
eh then let the sob go; and get whatever works
stiff jacinth
Yeah, I always take Persuasion
jaunty solar
is there actually a way to make 4th aspect shield good? it feels so clunky without much payoff
chrome geyser
honestly; pretty much everyone but zeus is good
chrome geyser
is there actually a way to make 4th aspect shield good? it feels so clunky without much payoff
@jaunty solar this was discussed earlier; but you can load more casts while you are bull rushing
jade rover
man, I just. Don't get fists.
stiff jacinth
Very nice with rapid fire attacks
jaunty solar
isnt zeus go to with the rail?
chrome geyser
i meant zeus for chiron special is underwhelming
zeus is amazing with a lot of others
jaunty solar
tbh for the bow i dont play anything except 4th
played hera once
it was underwhelming
chrome geyser
honestly; there is no bad god in general. It depends on aspect and weapon a lot
bow chiron is flat out the best weapon
hera is fun but not as powerful
if hera had +cast damage it would be great though
stiff jacinth
it's kind of funny that Coronach has gone from my most hated weapon when I first started to my favorite now
chrome geyser
i usually run with either chiron or rama
jaunty solar
how many shots does it shoot on max level?
chrome geyser
7 volley shots
jaunty solar
it's kind of funny that Coronach has gone from my most hated weapon when I first started to my favorite now
@stiff jacinth EXACTLY SAME LMAO
chrome geyser
as opposed to 9
it's because the base bow is not good
all the aspects are weird and unique; and great
jaunty solar
i mean yea base bow is kind of the worst base weapon
if we are talking about a fresh save with no titan blood usage
jaunty solar
best base is the fists imo
chrome geyser
well win rate wise im sure it's the shield
jaunty solar
i mean you have to actually try to make the fists bad to actually have bad fists
chrome geyser
but damage wise yes
jaunty solar
the shield playstyle is just unique ngl
chrome geyser
i mean you have to actually try to make the fists made to actually have a bad fist
@jaunty solar this is an interesting sentence
jade rover
^
jaunty solar
i didnt type out the full sentence lmao
skipped words
let me edit
take any aspect you want even tho first aspect is arguably the worst, you still need to mess it up intentionally to make the fists bad
jade rover
Whenever I play with fists, I feel like my dash just doesn't work right. I don't know how else to explain it.
jaunty solar
just stop holding the attack button
i know what you mean
you are either supposed to use the dash strike to keep the combo(therefore the stun lock) going or just stop attacking to dash
also gilgamesh fists do INSANE dps
imagine having boonless 400 base damage on a dash special lmao
livid comet
except it takes 4 seconds to proc
by which time I can do WAY more damage with any of the other fists
limber pine
Poseidon special and get sea storm
onyx parcel
Take Poseidon keepsake then?
turbid needle
Then Zeus.
onyx parcel
And hope for a Zeus?
Both Poseidon and Zeus keepsake?
Is it really that worth to take two keepsakes to force a build
limber pine
you don't need acorn for hydra
onyx parcel
I’ll try it out
thick comet
I always disregarded Zeus' boons until my last run, where I combined the Zeus shield aspect with the Zeus special boon and holy hell
craaazy damage
Just melts em
Although I got lucky and got an epic version of the boon
But still
hazy slate
what boons go well with shield 4th aspect
unkempt zephyr
what boons go well with shield 4th aspect
@hazy slate ahro cast and duo with Athena.
solid cairn
damn aphro cast is like way better than artemis cast for poseidon
I lost like 2 death defiances to tiny vermin because I was overwhelmed by rats
solid cairn
How much do I invest into the actual sword tho
untold quiver
Double dash strike hammer, hunter dash maybe, the summoned rats ...if they are the big ones you should just be wrecking them one and a time yeah?
solid cairn
Ah I was just using it as a cast tool maybe that was my issue
untold quiver
Did you not have like 5+ casts or machine gun Hermes boon or leap special for better retreveal?
solid cairn
And it’s weird that I would do that since I really like the sword
Umm I did not have 5+
I did have machine gun
untold quiver
Oh then that's a rough run anyway
solid cairn
How do you get that many apart from chaos
onyx parcel
Or dash strike, special, dash, special?
untold quiver
Heartbreak strike, curse of pain, curse of longing
jade rover
I just use strike, special, special, repeat
untold quiver
Dash strike special special special
jade rover
You can usually get 2 or three specials off
primal hazel
Any tips for darkness farming?
limber pine
Heat 0, weapon with darkness bonus, Chaos Gate, Poseidon Boon
solid cairn
So do I just have to hope chaos gives me an extra cast
untold quiver
That's why you have rerolls
solid cairn
So if you see cast damage and an extra cast you would take the extra cast if you only had 3 right
livid comet
uhhh
untold quiver
Always take extra cast, scales better especially if you get exit wounds
livid comet
^
primal hazel
Thanks
livid comet
extra cast is +100% cast damage effectively
limber pine
you can always pom your cast but you can't pom extra casts
untold quiver
And if you are Artimis from the get go you have a good chance of getting fully loaded
Plus with exit wounds one extra cast is a crazy amount of burst damage
solid cairn
Ah
untold quiver
Damn all I need for my Chiron Bow free Tartarus is curse of longing .....that's amazing
Sometimes you roll boxcars
gloomy sparrow
thoughts on the twin fists y'all? just a meme or actually good?
livid comet
twin fists are my 2nd favourite weapon in the game
gloomy sparrow
TBH
my top is still sword with that +2 health per hit daedalus upgrade
insanely broken even if the chances of getting it aren't that great
for general use i'd say shield
gloomy sparrow
ye
jade rover
chaos still pretty much reigns supreme.
limber pine
a lot of people don't like cursed, me included
gloomy sparrow
you're pretty much immortal lmfao
solid cairn
Umm, no
limber pine
until bosses hits you for chunks and you can't hit fast enough to get your health up
solid cairn
Yeah sword doesn’t exactly hit super fast
untold quiver
@gloomy sparrow as heat climbs the healing gets outpaced
solid cairn
It’s probably best with Arthur but even then arthur is very slow
jade rover
I am just now finishing my first run with arthur and I gotta say I love it
gloomy sparrow
I got it, like, on my 10th run
cursed
spammed dash attacks and managed to get to 2nd phase final boss
solid cairn
But before you get an attack speed up it feels a bit bad
solid cairn
I chase hammers for double edge
limber pine
-60% is way too much if you don't plan for it with prioritizing hearts.
jade rover
I chase hammers always.
solid cairn
And it’s kinda hard to plan for it when it may just not show up or show up when you haven’t prepared
gloomy sparrow
is there any way to make them more common?
distant oar
Is there a hammer keepsake
solid cairn
You can only get a max of 2 hammers per run
Apart from the anvil in styx
Which allows you to have 3 hammers at the same time
But it takes away one
untold quiver
That's why I like Artemis PBlade and Chiron Doombow, they both only rely on one gods boons, very stable
solid cairn
And I never take that as sword because guess what
I may get cursed slash
Pblade what
clear haven
Did I miss patch notes? Divine strike on the fourth rail incarnation is definitely NOT deflecting projectiles...
clear haven
So... where DOES it deflect, if anywhere? And does it still confer Exposed condition?
untold quiver
I forget I always run Zues....but it's been discussed here before either the tip of the beam or basically at the muzzle
Nice! middle manegment butterfly miniboss only got one guy summoned be forenhe died
solid cairn
Don’t they still spawn after it dies
jade rover
Not that I've seen
untold quiver
Nope
They don't die when it does but they stop spawning
My Doom Bow is running hot
untold quiver
Dire Misfortune curse if longing also strong
bronze geyser
I'm salty
I've been doing EM4 runs with forced overtime and for the last 10 runs I've gotten to Redacted, and then died to him
untold quiver
Died from overtime?
bronze geyser
I can't handle the +40% speed on his spin or his spear throw
I kill him no problem without it
wet tartan
Help I got Curse of Longing and Unhealthy Fixation on the same boon dangit
Doom is bound to attack and Weak is bound to special
Wait nvm it’s a legendary boon I’m silly
exotic silo
What are some good things to go when using Aspect of Zeus for the shield?
sleek marlin
does shattered shackle only not work if you have the the specific attack/special/cast slots filled? eg if i have the artemis boon where all damage can crit, or the boon where attack, special, and cast fire a seeking arrow, will shackle still increase dmg?
onyx parcel
is this the right channel to ask questions about keepsakes and boons lol?
@sleek marlin yes
primal hazel
I'm so annoyed
Every time I wanna do a hunting blade build stuff doesn't show up
I rerolled hermes two times on two separate encounters
Not even a single cast boon
First time a got a cast extension by chaos while playing a cast build
Fml
jaunty solar
What are some good things to go when using Aspect of Zeus for the shield?
@exotic silo go for a merciful end build for ultimate shreding power
onyx parcel
I'm so annoyed
Every time I wanna do a hunting blade build stuff doesn't show up
@primal hazel u mentioned u play on switch?
How many hours do u have
jaunty solar
one thing ive noticed about the backstab mechanic is that it is totally unrelated to where you are attacking from
primal hazel
Where do I see that
jaunty solar
take doom on special
primal hazel
I backstab when I attack from the back
I don't know what you mean
exotic silo
why not deflect
primal hazel
Or rather when my attacks bit the back
sleek marlin
does shattered shackle only not work if you have the the specific attack/special/cast slots filled? eg if i have the artemis boon where all damage can crit, or the boon where attack, special, and cast fire a seeking arrow, will shackle still increase dmg?
onyx parcel
Shows u how many hours u got in each game
jaunty solar
special hits more often, you could make use of dire misfortune if you take doom on special
jaunty solar
I backstab when I attack from the back
I don't know what you mean
@primal hazel if your weapon has a hitbox around the back of zagreus(like 4th aspect fists)you can backstab from the front
primal hazel
Fair enough
exotic silo
what should i prioritize for deflect then if I take doom on special @jaunty solar
attack ig?
primal hazel
But still holds true to what I say
jaunty solar
i take it both on attack and dash
primal hazel
Backstabs when attack hits the back
exotic silo
Let's just hope i get that lucky
sleek marlin
also, do boons that affect dash strike on sword also affect thrust, and vice versa?
jaunty solar
yes, but according to the games code it is totally unrelated
primal hazel
@onyx parcel well I got no uni rn and as I said it's the first game that's hooking me in a long time
jaunty solar
if you are looking the same way your target is looking you backstab
primal hazel
I get up, open discord, play hades, cook, play hades, go to bed
jaunty solar
pve games can induce burnout fast
primal hazel
Life sucks either way
jaunty solar
take breaks and play other games too to avoid burnout
primal hazel
I can't rn
exotic silo
@jaunty solar do you think it's worth restarting attempts for relevant boons or should I roll with Poseidon for now
primal hazel
No other game interest me bc hades
jaunty solar
@exotic silo i mean you can usually force the merciful end build if you have both ares and athena keepsakes
and the keepsake change between regions thingy from the contractor
primal hazel
I'm hooked by goals
So I'll stop when I've accomplished everything I want in hades
Was the same on warframe
Although I had incredible burnout after farming the same mission for 50 hours
jaunty solar
@primal hazel warframe was the exact game i was thinking of when talking about burnout lmao
@exotic silo np my dude
random light
does shattered shackle only not work if you have the the specific attack/special/cast slots filled? eg if i have the artemis boon where all damage can crit, or the boon where attack, special, and cast fire a seeking arrow, will shackle still increase dmg?
@sleek marlin correct, if the slot for the Attack/Special/Cast is not filled by a boon, Shackle applies
and boons that affect your Attack do affect Dash Attack. Boons for Dash Attacks do not affect Dash Special.
jaunty solar
@primal hazel i lost all passion for warframe when my clan died
primal hazel
Oof that hurts
Grinding spy missions for formas just killed me
After that grinding riven rerolls killed me
sleek marlin
@random light so attack can be modified by a boon, just not those specific main slots. thanks so much, google was not being very helpful
primal hazel
Also I despise how grindy the open world's are
random light
I think i hit a 100 hours of Hades recently, but I was playing since the Early Access where they first released the hidden spear aspect, so I've had a long time to accumulate those
jaunty solar
try and get the double strike daedalus if he shows up again if you are going for the merciful end build
@exotic silo
random light
@random light so attack can be modified by a boon, just not those specific main slots. thanks so much, google was not being very helpful
@sleek marlin Yeah, things like Urge to Kill, Pressure Points, or Chaos boons will not stop Shackle. It's only things like X Strike, X Flourish, X Shot
jaunty solar
@random light i got early access right after blood price, still not burnt out but hooked to the point im fearing burnout
random light
I will admit the main story takes way quicker to beat than I thought. Honestly, I feel like if I hadn't started playing during the Early Access I would think the main game is extremely short.
primal hazel
@jaunty solar imo burnout is inevitable
You can only do stuff for so long
random light
It's really only gated by your own skill and how quickly you can complete runs for the main plot line
primal hazel
Might as well enjoy the ride
jaunty solar
its inevitable but delayable
primal hazel
And get back once the burnout subsides
random light
There's still a lot of content outside of story
sleek marlin
the 3rd part of the combo is called 'thrust' and is modified by 'cruel thrust' to deal +200% damage and +40% crit; dashattack and thrust are visually the same/similar, and the skelly tutorial describes them similarly, so i was wondering if cruel thrust would affect dash attack, and if 'dash strike hits twice and deals +20% damage would affect thrust
jaunty solar
It's really only gated by your own skill and how quickly you can complete runs for the main plot line
@random light i mean if you want to rush the story you can, 0 heat is literally so easy
random light
and weapon diversity and the Pact help a lot with replayability
sleek marlin
thank you for the very clear explanation of shackle @random light
random light
the 3rd part of the combo is called 'thrust' and is modified by 'cruel thrust' to deal +200% damage and +40% crit; dashattack and thrust are visually the same/similar, and the skelly tutorial describes them similarly, so i was wondering if cruel thrust would affect dash attack, and if 'dash strike hits twice and deals +20% damage would affect thrust
@sleek marlin Dash Attack and the Thrust of Stygius third attack are not the same, I believe
jaunty solar
that was something i was wondering for a while
lone lava
I like the +20% darkness mechanic to keep me switching it up
jaunty solar
thanks crit caveman
sleek marlin
right on, that's basically what i needed to know
lone lava
Also ||arthur's sword|| is so fun I just unlocked it
random light
memes aside, I've been digging the Poseidon sword cast builds
primal hazel
@jaunty solar but I 200% get your fear
Warframe changes people xD
jaunty solar
@random light the first time i ever beat EM4 was crit attack nemesis, i literally just abused death defiance to kill hades before i died
primal hazel
I surprisingly like poseidon chaos builds
jaunty solar
me crit, me kill before i get killed
random light
for me it was League, instead of Warframe, that got me real burned out from videogames in general
I don't play League anymore.
jaunty solar
@lone lava artemis attack on arthur is really fun
lone lava
F league tbh
jaunty solar
try it
exotic silo
new run looking good
jaunty solar
league is only ever fun with friends imo
exotic silo
doom on special first boon
random light
all my friends still play League 
lone lava
I play only if my brother or friends wanna play
exotic silo
League is pretty fun with friends ^
lone lava
Else I cba
jaunty solar
and this is coming from a diamond jungler lmao
exotic silo
soloq got old real fast
lone lava
Losing feels worse than winning feels good to me now haha
random light
I still watch it, it's fun to watch or to do customs with friends but yeah Solo Q even in normals has become very not fun
jaunty solar
soloq is trash in season 10 just play hades lmao
lone lava
@jaunty solar ooh yeah that'd be some massive hits
random light
back to Hades, can someone please tell me how make Doom work. I just..... dislike that status.
lone lava
I went with aphro attack and pommed it up
random light
How make this work
jaunty solar
@lone lava i once hit for like 2k on the last swing
@random light merciful end zeus aspect build
primal hazel
Arthur?
lone lava
Doom is good
random light
I know its good, I just
teal wren
so... what's your guys go-to for quick consistent runs? I'm going for the 'max all keepsakes' achievement and still got some 10 runs to go I think
random light
ick
so... what's your guys go-to for quick consistent runs? I'm going for the 'max all keepsakes' achievement and still got some 10 runs to go I think
@teal wren Demeter Fists, Artemis Special, Explosive Upper, either Zeus or Aphrodite on Attack, Athena Dash best dash
lone lava
I actually found it even worked with rail attack when I didn't get zeus autos
teal wren
did some 6 chiron runs back to back and would like tospice it up a bit
jaunty solar
also doom special on gilgamesh is good too @random light
lone lava
But doom is really insane on merciful end builds
it's decent with bow special too (non chiron)
jaunty solar
i was told chiron with doom on special and dire misfortune was really good
idk tho i only play 4th bow
lone lava
Yeah it's good if you get that, otherwise not ideal
I think artemis would still be better even with dire misfortune though
Is 4th bow nice?
jaunty solar
4th bow is great
random light
Hidden Bow is my favorite bow
jaunty solar
you can deal 363 damage boonless on a single shot
lone lava
I don't have it yet so I've been using lvl 1 hera and an upgraded chiron
Wow nice
I don't actually even know what it does tbh haha
jaunty solar
you should see for yourself when you unlock it
lone lava
Maybe I shouldn't have dumped blood into chiron
random light
Hidden bow aspect is||Special marks enemies, if you attack, all marked enemies take a percentage of the damage||
No Chiron is great tbh
jaunty solar
chiron is great actually
lapis matrix
Lvl one Hera is great from the get go
unkempt pagoda
chiron needs upgrades
lone lava
Yeah lvl 1 Hera is literally the same as maxed hera haha it's nice to get early
You run trippy shot anyway
unkempt pagoda
hera is fine from the beginning, but for sticking casts the reduced dislodge time is vital
lone lava
Yeah if you go for aphro cast or something you'd want it leveled
Yeah sorry for contributing to the death of the English language haha mb
teal wren
hera is a one-point wonder I'd say
jaunty solar
hera is fine from the beginning, but for sticking casts the reduced dislodge time is vital
@unkempt pagoda i wish i could take back my level on hera cuz i like stacking casts on bosses
random light
I really really wish Lambent Plume would let me force Hermes
dry ember
anyone interested in a fun Hades fight?
lone lava
I should stop using literally instead of basically
random light
Dodge chance doesn't matter if you don't get hit :^)
jaunty solar
@dry ember what are you getting at
dry ember
I have beentrying to crack this save for half an hour
unkempt pagoda
what's the hades fight
dry ember
I have a save
lone lava
:0
dry ember
with a build of Lightning Strike and Divine Dash
unkempt pagoda
wow, i have a save too
dry ember
vs Hades on 41 heat
jaunty solar
41 HEAT LMAO
unkempt pagoda
bro zag's so busted he has two different strikes
random light
Athena Dash
it'll be fine, he's basically untouchable
dry ember
well I got there, saved it for practice purposes
jaunty solar
athena dash is actually crutch
random light
Athena Dash best dash
dry ember
if you want to try your hand I can DM you the save
unkempt pagoda
weapon?
jaunty solar
with zeus attack i guess its the rail
random light
I mean you don't take Athena Dash for the damage
jaunty solar
wow
unkempt pagoda
...no special?
dry ember
you have 4 mins until TD
unkempt pagoda
dry ember
The build Is Lightning Strike Frost Flourish Divine Dash and Zeus' Aid
random light
Frost Flourish, really?
dry ember
I take what I was given brother
random light
RNG do be like that
unkempt pagoda
41 heat, probably AP2 and UC
unkempt pagoda
anything else notable
dry ember
but AP0
well it's not that extreme. The pacts that change Hades is HL5 FO2, that's it.
not even EM4
anyhow, open offer, DM me if you want it
unkempt pagoda
HL5 FO2
random light
EM4 on its own isn't too bad if you're accustomed to the final boss fight well enough
with a decent bit of experience you can basically get 10 free heat just maxing Extreme Measures
Ok I have to wonder, was anyone surprised that ||Hades|| was the final boss?
I think the game basically sets you up to expect it, no?
hazy slate
I don’t think anyone was surprised
dry ember
I mean yeah, not for me. i know I have to face Hades eventually, I mean who else
the only thing I was wondering is whether or not we have to fight Cerb
and the answer is ||yes, eventually, kinda||
random light
||Cerberus|| Vanquished (Not Really)
I'd like to get some bonus boss fights out of Achilles/Patroclus
jaunty solar
||Cerberus|| Destroyed (His Appetite)
lone lava
I saw the redacted fight when I watched MoistCritical stream it so that boss was spoiled for me but idm since the game also looked so sick I decided to buy it
jaunty solar
i tried a 4th rail build today
random light
I'm also definitely hoping for more Olympian boons, specifically Hephaestus, Apollo, and Hera
dry ember
I'm also definitely hoping for more Olympian boons, specifically Hephaestus, Apollo, and Hera
I would not hold my breath tbh
random light
they are currently taking a break
unkempt pagoda
nope
unkempt pagoda
the plans for the future is performance patches and "take a break"
dry ember
no, no news
jaunty solar
i took frost strike and just prayed to get demeter again for the boon that makes the frost effect explode at 10
unkempt pagoda
they'll decide after if they want to return or move on to a new project
jaunty solar
it only worked because i got a faster ramp up daedalus lmao it was so bad
unkempt pagoda
oh, and cross saves in october
random light
I hope they add a teeny bit, honestly just a couple more Olympians, a few more Hammer upgrades would be enough to put this game at the top of every roguelike ever made in my opinion
it's already very close
I think only Binding beats it out imo and even then it's super close
jaunty solar
i really havent played enough roguelikes to agree or disagree with that statement
just playing the gungeon atm
unkempt pagoda
just a couple more Olympians
add a teeny bit
lone lava
Sorry bit random but should I be buying a diamond from the broker for 100 gems when that's offered?
jaunty solar
diamond for 100 gems is a great deal
random light
Honestly any trades to get a Diamond are worth unless you're giving up Titan Blood
jaunty solar
^this
random light
Diamonds and Titan Blood are easily the most valuable resources
Ambrosia is useful but only at very specific junctures
lone lava
Yeah it seems like I'd run out of gem renovations to get before getting all the music
jaunty solar
ambrosia turns into titan blood and is useful to get favors and companions
lone lava
I do always buy blood for 15 keys
random light
Man I wish I got those kinds of deals
jaunty solar
you will need diamonds for a lot more than music
random light
I always get the "give me a titan blood and i'll give you 300 darkness" kind of deals
lone lava
Sound's good I'll start snagging the diamonds too thanks lads
jaunty solar
all the good contractor upgrades are locked behind diamonds
random light
Like, 90% of the side quests are paywalled by obscene amounts of Diamonds
random light
the contract to ||break Achilles' contract|| is 5 Diamonds on its own
random light
still a lot of Diamond, whereas you get two Titan Bloods per run and another from trading in Ambrosia
jaunty solar
is the hydra ever difficult except like insanely high heats lmao
random light
Heightened Security makes it suck pretty fast with Extreme Measures
jaunty solar
you can turn gemstones into diamonds
turn gemstones into keys, keys into nectar and nectar into diamonds
random light
yeah but that takes a lot of gemstones, and I'll admit, I don't very often go to pick up keys or gemstones
jaunty solar
gemstones literally generate themselves if you got the "bosses also give gemstones" upgrade
lapis matrix
I think Keys and Darkness go relatively useless pretty fast
jaunty solar
darkness not really
to complete the mirror you actually need an obscene amount of darkness
fated persuasion alone take like 10k darkness
turbid needle
It's been cut waaay down.
lapis matrix
Yeah
turbid needle
6 months ago it took 100k+.
jaunty solar
im glad to have arrived later rather than sooner then lmao
unkempt pagoda
the darkness sink is now the resources director
turbid needle
I ground it out, saved me having to grind for the ranks now.
random light
Darkness is also nice if you use the other option from Chthonic Vitality, the one that makes you heal off Darkness
and if you get the Contractor upgrade where Darkness gives you max HP
lone lava
I only do limited time trades with the broker
random light
I do the Ambrosia for Blood trade somewhat often, same with Nectar to Diamonds, since I've pretty much finished the need for Nectar
I think I need Nectar for like Ares and Dionysus and that's it
lone lava
Was thinking of starting doing the 25 darkness for 3 keys but I have more keys than I get offered the 15 keys for blood trade so I didn't bother
Ah cool
Still lots and lots of nectar to go for me
I always tend to grab keys during runs for rerolls though
Maybe nectar is decent too for the random pom I guess but rolls are the best blue laurel reward it seems
random light
Yeah i try to snag some keys here and there since I have the horrible habit of throwing all my Fated rerolls on the first three chambers of Tartarus XDDD
lapis matrix
I'm not used to it yet honestly
lone lava
Ah nice
jaunty solar
as long as you dont take the infinite ammo daedalus you will be fine with that aspect
the infinite ammo daedalus is literally a newbie bait
lone lava
Do you prefer it to the other 3?
jaunty solar
i do
lone lava
Seems like it'd be fine level 1 too right
jaunty solar
levels only give it's special a buff
i dont ever use lucifer special unless its on hades when hes switching phases
supple lintel
What's the best aspect of them all? I have 12 Titan Blood rn
I'm looking for one to max out
jaunty solar
all 4th aspects are good except shield
supple lintel
I've heard Chaos Shield is good?
lapis matrix
That depends really
jaunty solar
but aspects come down to preference
lapis matrix
It is
supple lintel
I see
lapis matrix
Or did you mean the Chaos Aspects?
lone lava
There's no best aspect tbh
jaunty solar
its all in #h1-story-discussion pinned message
lone lava
It's preference since they're all good and some are good at different things
jaunty solar
but weapons and aspects (usually) come down to preference
some are just bad like 4th shield
or hera for that matter
or zagreus sword
or zagreus fists lmao
lapis matrix
Hera is bad?
lone lava
If you're early game and low on blood I'd recommend getting stuff that's good without too much investment
Bro Hera is great haha
supple lintel
I heard hera and zag fists were good
jaunty solar
hera is bow
lone lava
Insane damage with trippy shot
jaunty solar
and i really dont like hera
lapis matrix
Zag gives a boost to dodge
jaunty solar
for fists you are better of using literally any other aspect
lone lava
Is the general consensus
jaunty solar
@lapis matrix idk i tried hera literally once and it was terrible, gave up on it after that
jaunty solar
4th shield is clunky af for literally no payoff
its not even fun
at least hera was fun
every 4th aspect is fun in its own way except shield
i hate it so much it's unreal
lapis matrix
4th shield is weird that's for sure
jaunty solar
its slow, clunky with nothing to show for it
4th bow literally does insane damage with how slow it is
what does 4th shield do
jade rover
God but ||EM4|| is so fun
jaunty solar
it is
jade rover
not a fan of sneak just showing up though
untold quiver
@eebo 4th shield is like explosions everywhere
jaunty solar
teleporting butterfly ball is also terribly annoyinh
lapis matrix
They take a while to chunk down before
untold quiver
Ugh I got to Em4 with all three dd and a really good Doombow and I lost 2 DD on phase 1 of Em4 with butterfly balls
slender solar
how do dash-strike vs attack bonuses work
do bonuses to attack apply to dash-strike?
I noticed that demeter's chill on hit applies to dash strikes
slender solar
ok that's good
I just cleared using triple-dash-strike spear and I was assuming that worked like that
jaunty solar
bruuh
stray frigate
lol
pearl plank
Question: in the ||extreme turbo-dad|| fight is it better to ||clear out the minibosses when they spawn|| or just ||focus down Hades himself||
pearl plank
Yeah, makes sense
untold quiver
Oh I didn't know that....I should do that for doom bow
pearl plank
In the ||non-EM4 fight|| I was in the habit of ||clearing out the goons he summons first; it’s a hard habit to break||
untold vortex
Probably ||the goons depending on what's summoned||
lapis matrix
||To be fair they are annoying and can kill you. Although if you have charm or the spear point they hit less than Hades||
||Yeah, it really depends on what goons he summons||
untold vortex
Spoiler tags please @bronze geyser
Everyone else here has been spoiler tagging EM4 please do the same ^_^
If you're not sure how, ask
Anyways @bronze geyser was asking ||how does one deal with double sneak in EM4||
lapis matrix
||Double sneak?||
untold vortex
||wretched sneak, that miniboss from tartarus||
jaunty solar
is the attack pattern same?
bronze geyser
Sorry @untold vortex, forgot the spoiler tag :P
jaunty solar
i only did ||EM4|| once so idk how the ||sneaks act in that fight||
orchid plinth
So im trying to beat ||hades|| for the first time but i can't, any tips? I made it to this part on my 8th try and im now on my 16th but no luck
jaunty solar
try abusing athena dash
stray frigate
i ask for help for anyone familiar with patchnotes
jaunty solar
it gives you iframes on dash
orchid plinth
ok ill get her my next run then
jaunty solar
also, what weapons are you using?
orchid plinth
ive tried a variety, the only ones i havent made it that far with is the sword and the bow
jaunty solar
having both athena attack and dash is a good crutch for a first time hades fight imo
stray frigate
i played almost year ago and there was explosive fire upgrade for rail which grant you stun effect. seems now it doesnt work that way. was it changed?
jaunty solar
dont ever take athena attack on the rail tho
@stray frigate daedalus lists are probably on the hades wiki go check it out
orchid plinth
the worst part was when ||i thought i finally won but then he stood back up ||
jaunty solar
are you using stubborn defiance or death defiance from the mirror?
orchid plinth
death defiance level 2
stray frigate
@jaunty solar wiki sometimes had a lot of old info
orchid plinth
im to poor to get that third life but i wish i did, my last attempt i had the boss at 1/4 of health bar
jaunty solar
@orchid plinth if you manage your coins properly you could have all your death defiances active for hades fight since even if you lose them you can buy them back from wells of charon for 200 gold
stray frigate
and it has no patchnotes or i cant find them
lone lava
For a zeus attack rail4 with faster ramp and faster fire rate hammer boons + pressure points - take hunters mark or use my 1 reroll to look for support fire?
Probably take mark right
jaunty solar
i mean reroll for support fire on rail is worth to me
lone lava
And hope to find support fire later
lone lava
at elysium rn
jaunty solar
styx rarely gives me the boons i want
so i usually reroll
and like i said, i like gambling and doubling down on it
orchid plinth
eebo what weapon would you recommend?
jaunty solar
weapons usually come down to preference but for starters i think the spear is the go to
good combination of range, damage and speed
orchid plinth
ok, its actually one of my favorites along with the shield
wary jackal
what are some good boons for the fists?
lone lava
Lightning attack
stray frigate
@wary jackal supp fire Zeus/Dio attack imo
wary jackal
is support fire that artemis boon?
stray frigate
yup
wary jackal
that does sound good
dusk moss
Intended that Kiss of Styx can be offered if you refilled from Athena in the same room?
(start room with 2, take a boon to go to 3, then check a pool and it's Kiss of Styx)
onyx parcel
Man how am I supposed to be playing Arthur
stray frigate
try dio attack and aphro special/cast with their duo
gusty parcel
delta chamber doesn't work with hestia, right?
gusty parcel
That's don't need to reload and reloaded shots are better
robust anchor
it does nothing basically
gusty parcel
Got it. Thanks.
dry ember
yes yes, let the Delta Chamber hate flows through you
turbid needle
Delta Chamber is amazing now (on Eris).
Sped up the burst rate and cut the refire delay.
turbid needle
Was talking to a friend just a little while ago about it and they mentioned I should suggest in feedback it be buffed, but it'd been so long since I'd tried it (been mostly using Lucy) that I wanted to get another test in first.
And then I went "Oh. This is awesome."
main osprey
@celest nymph (from #hades-feedback ) what happened, exactly?
@amber torrent (from #hades-feedback ) I'm pretty sure you can change button bindings in-game
celest nymph
@main osprey I started a new save and chose the hell mode. When I completed 5 heat, I got 2 blood, first boss and last boss. I’m sure I didn’t play 6 heat, so I should get one blood from the first Boss, but I got only darkness.
main osprey
huh. I'd 
that, probably (unless you're not on windows, in which case probably drop something in #h1-tech-support )
celest nymph
This bug was reported in Chinese reddit 7 months ago. It still exist.
main osprey
huh. well, reporting it on reddit doesn't ensure the devs see it-- , they most likely will (and will be able to actually look into it)
tidal edge
does zag shield clear faster than chaos shield now?
celest nymph
OK, thx.
main osprey
like most things, DJN0, it depends on your build xD
tidal edge
let's say equally skilled player playing both averaged over 100 runs lol
robust anchor
the difference is negligible
unkempt zephyr
Can some one tell me. why i hit boses in zone 3 with atrur sword with crits and backstab bonus from atena and +200% from Hammer less that 300. EM 4
robust anchor
now that zag shield got dmg it’s probably a bit faster going ares special and aph attack
but its not like chaos cant do that
unkempt zephyr
i just can understand. time to time i hit like a truck with 2.5k+ but most of time its less that 300. even from back. its just cant be. becaus on my attack bonus 120% + and 3th attack on artur base damage 200.
lone lava
Crits vs non crits?
orchid plinth
what is a good build for ||malphon with aspect of talos||
lone lava
Also delta chamber felt really good to me with zeus attacks
orchid plinth
maybe not a full build but a base for one
lone lava
I usually just start with zeus attack and then go with whatever
unkempt zephyr
Crits vs non crits?
@lone lava last run was 50% backstab from mirror,90% from athena,and 200% from hammer upgrade. and almost all time i cant do damage more that 300. (its was 32 heat run).and yes its artur with athena attack.Not artemis.
jade rover
What is doombow?
unkempt zephyr
What is doombow?
@jade rover Hiron with special Ares
hazy slate
Whose boons synergize with spear hidden aspect?
chrome geyser
artemis for chonky special
lone lava
What else is even good on the spear4 artemis special build?
Or does the other stuff not matter massively, just good special crits?
amber torrent
@main osprey If there is an option for that, I can't find it anywhere in-game
main osprey
what specifically can you not change?
turbid needle
Any advice for defeating Charon?
When he hits his second phase, I cannot seem to avoid his wave attack's new pattern
Also, should I try to fight him earlier game or later game?
And finally, are there ways to increase the chances of his money stash showing up?
mighty ermine
later game is typically just easier because he doesn't scale with biomes at all; he's the same no matter when you fight him
so by elysium or asphodel you will inevitably be more kitted out
turbid needle
I see
mighty ermine
but of course won't get as much mileage from the discount card
turbid needle
One more question I just thought of
one of the prophecies says to beat him twice in a row
does that have to be in the same run?"
unkempt pagoda
i could've won that run if hades hadn't kept lasering after his death shield was up 💔
onyx parcel
Arthur feels decent
So slow
I’m taking a lot of damage
But I’m also tanky as hell
@unkempt pagoda any tips for Arthur?
unkempt pagoda
immediately got swiped after he got up and died
onyx parcel
Guys do y’all have any tips for Arthur
unkempt pagoda
i use deadly strike, with either heartbreak flourish or divine flourish
for hammers i usually go shadow slash, but double edge is probably the best
onyx parcel
What counts as a dash strike
unkempt pagoda
greater consecration is amazing as well
onyx parcel
Cause u can do ur normal combo after ur dash
Right
Like the big swing
If you keep mashing attack button and fit ur dash in between
unkempt pagoda
the thrust when you dash strike, like other swords
lapis matrix
It's the thrust
onyx parcel
You don’t do dash strikes
unkempt pagoda
arthur can "carry" its combo via dashes, but those don't count as dash strikes
onyx parcel
My barely use the actual dash strike on Arthur
DAMN THEY DONT???
Wow
That’s sad
Disappointing
unkempt pagoda
pretty sure the base dash strike has higher damage than normal sword anyways
¯_(ツ)_/¯
onyx parcel
Any like general tips? For Arthur combos
I just mash attack button and dash in between
Idk if that’s the best way to use it but it works
unkempt pagoda
you either spam dash strike with double edge or you go for giga crits with shadow slash
onyx parcel
What is shadow slash