will try high confidence next
#h1-builds-and-combat
brittle wind
random light
I mean if you're getting hit with Athena Dash you gotta use your dash better
brittle wind
how bout keepsake??
upbeat ridge
true
random light
Trinket is the keepsake
marsh dawn
Sounds like you should use tooth
random light
I take Thanatos, but if you wanna force a build take the Olympian trinket of your choice
marsh dawn
Or acorn
brittle wind
30 hp against megaera and her sister is stupid
upbeat ridge
oof i run acorn on elysium
brittle wind
acorn.. good idea okay
marsh dawn
If I had 30 hp I’d run acorn from asphodel on.
median oar
aww... I thought the special range increase hammer on sword 4 would have increased the size of the aura
but it doesn't seem to have
random light
I mean between the Contractor upgrade where you get HP per Darkness, Thick Skin, and a couple Centaur Hearts, you should be able to avoid a one shot even from Redacted
GY kinda wants you to not get hit
which is why I take Thanatos
I shouldn't be getting hit on that weapon anyways
upbeat ridge
makes sense
random light
might as well get free damage
because that trinket STACKS
I've gotten it to like +30%
marsh dawn
Question on redacted. What triggers the critical attacks? Sometimes I get hit for 88 or so.
random light
it's nice
random light
Yeah every encounter you don't take a hit it's like +1%
Tartarus is basically free
however
magic dagger
@marsh dawn getting hit by skulls applies boiling blood, which doubles the damage you take from all sources
random light
taking Thanatos trinket, if you want good value, means you're screwed out of switching trinkets
marsh dawn
Ah, that’s makes sense. I typically avoid them.
proven sierra
@marsh dawn redacted spoilers ||he has the SAME ABILITY YOU DO with the bloodstones :)||
upbeat ridge
true so RIP to boss fights
proven sierra
wiped out
marsh dawn
Bummer
random light
we hate to see it
;-;
petition to supergiant to let me trade one ambrosia for two diamonds instead of the other way around
supergiant bls
marsh dawn
I just always buy diamonds for gems. 100 gems is an easy buy.
random light
isn't that a special deal though, you don't always get that
marsh dawn
Yeah
random light
i never get those deals :^)
for me it's always "hey you wanna spend a titan blood to get some keys"
and i'm like
no
no i don't.
upbeat ridge
TRUE
marsh dawn
Or how about some nectar for darkness?
upbeat ridge
sounds like a deal 😄
marsh dawn
Meaning spend nectar to buy darkness
upbeat ridge
lol
random light
Yeah let me give you one of these diamonds for uuuuuuuuuhhhhhh 40 gemstones
sure Salesman
say has anyone ever tried Demeter/Poseidon cast Duo with something like Aspect of Hera?
that cast Duo is ridiculous
if it combos with Hera Aspect the way I hope it does, I might actually use Aspect of Hera XD
royal meadow
sorry may i ask is god's pride better or god's legacy better at the start?
i am guessing pride cos easier to add?
onyx parcel
@mighty ermine omg it’s u
I’ve been talking to u all this time and I didn’t realize it’s u
mighty ermine
it's me!
magic dagger
lol
onyx parcel
Yea foxhope sent ur videos to me
52 heat that’s crazy
I could prob learn a thing or two about how to use spear from ur gameplay
Anyways I just wanted to say that lol
mighty ermine
oh yeah it's super cool that fox referred you to my vids, i definitely hope they help
onyx parcel
Yea cause I was talking smack about spear earlier lol
mighty ermine
lol
onyx parcel
U should upload more
keen ice
Love the game so far! almost beat the hydra in one encounter!! but I was wondering if anyone encountered a slight tracterbeam effect from bomb skeleton explosions?
mighty ermine
maybe i will upload more soon 
i do have a 45 zeus shield run from semi-recently that i could put up
haven't gone back to high heat hades spear just yet since i'd like to do more than 52
onyx parcel
@mighty ermine
Should I not be attacking on spear
I see that u only use dash strikes
mighty ermine
if you have serrated point you definitely want to be using dash-strikes almost all of the time
but if you don't have that hammer, regular attacks are good
onyx parcel
For the spear, is it good to do two dash strikes together, like how u would on the sword? I feel like spear dash strike is kinda weird
but if you don't have that hammer, regular attacks are good
@mighty ermine ok
mighty ermine
yeah spear dash-strikes are more disconnected than sword's. chaining them in the same way isn't a priority exactly
onyx parcel
Im worried my dps won’t be good if I don’t do two dash strikes together
It feels so weird to do that tho
mighty ermine
yeah focusing on dash-strikes with spear isn't a great source of damage without serrated point
onyx parcel
Ok
mighty ermine
standard combo is your best bet for attack-based damage otherwise
mighty ermine
yeah, after applying the mark
onyx parcel
I just don’t find special to be that useful
mighty ermine
spear special is for sure more awkward, and its best options involve simplifying it and removing the whole recall step
with GY special or exploding launcher
the latter is really good on hades aspect if you lean special for whatever reason
mighty ermine
for hades aspect definitely, yeah
onyx parcel
Aight thanks
unique vigil
I'm at the last tunnel before ||hades|| and I can get unhealthy fixation which gives weak effects a 15% chance to charm
that wouldn't help me much though right?
mighty ermine
oh but it would
unique vigil
I've never tried but I'm sure charm doesn't do anything against bosses
mighty ermine
charming hades makes him run around aimlessly for a second
unique vigil
oh really wtf
mighty ermine
yeah, it's great on rapid hitting weapons
unique vigil
using the guan yu spear rn
it's either that or cold embrace which makes my cast crystal fire at me for +4 seconds and gives +30% cast dmg
which one do you think would be better?
unique vigil
alright
it's my first time seeing both of those boons so I didn't know which one was better
empty veldt
@unique vigil I've seen asterius hit theseus when charmed and yes ||hades|| wonders around aimlessly, however charm duration i feel is heavily reduced on bosses
mighty ermine
oh no it's okay in this channel
random light
Normally we refer to ||Hades|| as the final boss or as Redacted (since that's what Hypnos refers to that boss as)
mighty ermine
just don't spoil it in the discussion channel
random light
but this channel it's usually okay
unique vigil
ah okay fair fair
random light
i think people spoiler flair it as a courtesy
unique vigil
gotcha
untold vortex
@pallid dagger regarding your feedback on hidden fists aspect and @pure abyss regarding your feedback on infernal troves and sound design in #hades-feedback. Please seperate out your feedback into seperate posts per point in them. The pinned messages in that channel clearly ask this of you and it makes it significantly more difficult for people to vote on your pieces of feedback as they are currently
jagged sable
Why would you ever choose casts like trippy fog or blade whirl which don't stay inside enemies and give you +50% damage??
It helps kill bosses so much even with basic cast
zenith depot
To complete the prophecy's
random light
I actually really love Trippy Fog, even though it does deny you the cast debuff
I only use Trippy Fog on Rail, but it's an excellent zoning tool especially if you have the Zeus boons to back it up
forest marsh
There are a lot of synergies with Trippy Shot, plus it can make for a nice AoE burst damage
mighty ermine
trippy shot is just really strong overall on its own, and blade rifts snowball easily due to hunting blades and vicious cycle
jagged sable
I love the ice ray, but it's so much worse than even basic cast
random light
and the boon that gives damage reduction if you stand in it
oh man I LOVE the ice ray
mighty ermine
crystal beam is definitely awkward until you get the crystal clarity duo
and glacial stare
random light
stares at you in cryomancy
mighty ermine
i'm so glad they added that beam T2 lol
random light
I just wish that crystal beam applied chill
i don't know why it doesn't
would it be too strong?
marsh dawn
It would be an instant 10 stack
jagged sable
I still wouldn't use it even with instant 10 stack
random light
just make it so that it only applies one stack every X ticks
and buff/nerf as necessary
jagged sable
It's weird because the other mirror option to the +50% damage is a debuff which works in the exact same way, so you're always hurt by taking those non-stick casts
marsh dawn
I remember like my second time beating redacted I used two crystals for all of my damage. Such an easy fight.
Demeter/Artemis is broken
turbid halo
Ares has been so uncooperative for hunting blades
I'll get the requirements early in the run
Then demeter will show up and offer her duo with ares multiple times
And then neither ares or artemis will offer hunting blades
unique vigil
there's a boon that makes crystal beam apply chill
i got it on my last run
also extends the duration
marble sparrow
Crystal beam is really strong with the upgrades
Especially with hermes cast reduction time
I finished the game just placing the crystals
With aphrodite it is even better
hollow hazel
so im floating down the river in the boat after completing my 10th run, how do i get back and start another?
seems my only option is giving up
mighty ermine
just keep playing; you'll get back in there
hollow hazel
so i can quit out of the credits?
acoustic venture
just enjoy the jams
hollow hazel
yeah its sick
mighty ermine
@potent ember would you be interested at all in a 45 heat run with zeus aspect?
if that would help at all
potent ember
um sure why not
mighty ermine
just cause you, you know, asked how to use it
but i mean in terms of quick tips: get used to the distance it travels and where it stops, since you can make it land on stationary targets and kill them easily
you can recall it and run around enemies while it tries to return to you
you can also quickly just send it out and call it back directly in front of you for faster enemies that don't stay still
daedalus hammers that it likes in particular include empowered flight and explosive return
chrome rampart
I like using it with on-hit boons like Dionysus. It can stack up to max very quickly on multiple enemies
mighty ermine
dio is pretty good on it. i'd recommend zeus as the flat bolt damage compliments the special ticks, while zeus T2s like double strike snowball on it quickly to be even better
potent ember
thx for tips
forest prawn
Just failed a 32 heat run when the last boss only had like 5% left, feels bad
thorn jolt
Does Mirage Shot work for Hera bow?
drifting vale
Additionally how would/ does that work with double shot hammer
Is this where i don't sleep and test this
sacred glade
Thats an big f mate @forest prawn
tidal edge
with fists, are you supposed to dash strike after the third basic attack? it feels like you get a higher attack rate than if you do the full basic combo
jagged perch
what is the best rail gun aspect build?
tidal edge
skelly also dies faster this way than if I do the full combo but I know that's not the best measure lol
jagged perch
i am thinking about unlocking one of it
gritty bronze
So uh
I did a posidon build thingy
I was almost one shotting everything except bosses
low island
||mom's new keepsake is amazing|| just got a 11 min 59 sec clear with a memey build because of it. Charged Volley and only kept Artemis special the entire game.
crude vessel
is it just me or 99% of the alternative mirror upgrades are awful?
bronze sorrel
Anyone know how to save a seed? I just got a really really good one and if someone can tell me how I can share it. I'm probably not good enough to make a serious speed run but I have a feeling someone better than me could get a pretty good run if not a record from this.
low island
@crude vessel stubborn defiance is almost a must have for high heat, stygian is really good for some cast builds, fam favorites is good, fated authority is amazing
etc.
so no, imo most alt mirror upgrades are really good
IMO the only one that is absolute trash is the opposite of boiling blood (forget what its called)
bronze sorrel
I got curse of drowning by the end of tartarus, and finished fully loaded by early elysium
low island
fredgerd you just have to copy your save
go find your hades file and find your save in it. copy it and and rename it to save 2
bronze sorrel
oh I thought there was a way to get a seed number?
low island
99% that isnt the case unless that changed in the past month
bronze sorrel
ok, good to know
is it to late if I killed off redacted but haven't left Greece yet?
low island
if you can still give up then you should be fine
otherwise not entirely sure
if you google "hades speedrun" you should find the speedrun.com page where there is a discord invite to the speedrun discord
if you want a hopefully fast and probably reliable answer you can try them
bronze sorrel
ok, thx, I'll check it out
brittle wind
How to get so many health... I see people at hades with 400 even 500 health... I rarely managed to get to 300
Is it different in hells mode ?
oblique tusk
i'm pretty regularly unsatisfied with exagryph on runs
what all does everyone go for it?
i've been trying just...zeus attack
but it still seems awkward
rocky trail
i do the tripple special
@brittle wind talents let u start iwth 100, i always go for centaur hearts when i can, ive gotten to 450
brittle wind
I just tried the lucifer aspect... and yeah it's pretty weak... changing to cast build in the middle and managed to finish it
atomic jacinth
void fjord
i suggest going for a aphro attack and dio special, anything else is upto u
brittle wind
aphro and doom
void fjord
@brittle wind just run for hearts and go for aphro boon for more health from health awards
@rocky trail go to lowest heat
get chaos boons that increase the amount you get
and get poseidon boon that increases chamber rewards
just run with chaos egg
@oblique tusk exagryph is one of the weapons that completly change ur gameplay style. I have always enjoyed going all the way with zeus and ares dash and/or special to get their duo
their duo saves you in close range which you shouldnt be in
with the rail
robust anchor
how do you guys build rama
the attack is quite chunky
@atomic jacinth i am a big fan of ares special
on shield
void fjord
np😊
@robust anchor i suggest an ares or aphro attack with zeus special to get used to the weapon
after that its ur choice on how you experiment with it
robust anchor
does zeus proc on every single special arrow
untold vortex
nemisis does quick incredibly fast damage, whereas arthur hits like a truck but it's attack speed is significantly slower
so they're both amazing in their own right
crimson patrol
any recommend keepsake for excalibur?
I am trying to finish the game with sword more
untold vortex
aphrodite or artemis to start
crimson patrol
I just finished with claw 8 times and bow 2 times so far
untold vortex
aphrodite because big +% numbers for attack
artemis because big numbers from crits
untold vortex
yes
untold vortex
I don't know how to build arthur other than big numbers on attack
so I don't really know what to put on as a keepsake for biome 2
biome 3 depends on your situation at the time and biome 4 I usually use acorn
void fjord
stygius i have always felt like leaving it to the gods decisions
crimson patrol
does acorn reset when bosses change phase?
I usually use the broken spear as it is super safe
void fjord
no
crimson patrol
if I get hit once I can automatically avoid the rest of the combo and not get stunlocked
void fjord
it resets for each boss but thats it
well its not super safe since you have to get hit
on hell mode on the final boss getting hit is scary
like top 10 scariest fnaf moments
crimson patrol
I dont think it is that hard unless you go like 30 heat or so
like 16 heat are totally ok for me
and the corn basically gone after a few times while the pointed spear remain the whole fight
may be depends on how you play then
crimson patrol
everyone use iframe
tidal edge
what is the green orb looking thing in the description of mirror upgrade ||dark foresight||?
crimson patrol
increase chance to get those reward that is powerup
plush locust
would prioritizing death defiance upgrades be better than anything else in the mirror of night?
tidal edge
unless the green orb is a boon?
crimson patrol
you get less other reward like darkness and gem
less chance to get those at the end of the room not less reward
rustic coral
what casts stick in enemys?
crimson patrol
you will have more chance for boons hammer coin and lvl up
tidal edge
oh, is that what the green orb means? boons?
void fjord
dark foresight increases gold laurel chambers
yea prolly
this will help you understand
void fjord
@rustic coral except for dio, ares and demeter everything else i believe
@plush locust if ur new to the game and are prone to dying a lot i suggest doing so
brittle wind
what is theme in the work order at contractor??
It's so pricey... I bought one but nothing happened
small stirrup
It changes the ingame UI
void fjord
ye
small stirrup
You can see different victory screens in #h1-victory-boasting
Those are the new styles
void fjord
also volty i dont remeber but does my boi work with LC4?
small stirrup
GY?
small stirrup
Yes it does
brittle wind
Only victory screen??
brittle wind
I see okay then
limber pine
you can't reroll hammer upgrades
brittle wind
The purging one also
I got a fated list gift of song... to learn to play lire
how to do that??
native glacier
Hi, quick question (hopefully): Does the Kinetic Launcher upgrade never appear for Fists if you're using Aspect of Demeter?
Or am I just having a rough go of it (over many runs)
rocky trail
if i get a boon like crystal beam, upgrade it with poms, will it lose those upgrade if i get a duo beam?
analog sail
It can appear @native glacier
turbid needle
@brittle wind keep trying to use the lyre in the bedchambers between runs
analog sail
I had a rough time getting it too the first time
turbid needle
@rocky trail no, the duo beams are upgrades to the base one, they just add additional effects so you should pom it.
native glacier
@analog sail Cool. Thanks dude
robust anchor
im a bit conflicted between chiron and rama bow what is yalls opinion on the two
analog sail
Chiron is good for single targets, Rama has better crowd control
I personally prefer Rama but just because I really like the special
rustic coral
does the talent family favorite do 5% damage per unique boon or per boon fo same family?
rocky trail
what would uchoose here
i got the duo beam and im gonna get 1 more blood shard
but i feel like that hp regen thing will make me immortal since i can just run away and heal
i ahve like 200 hp
waxen imp
I'd pick attack
rocky trail
lol no
i got the hold to shoot attack so im basically another beam 😄
this is a god run, except i didnt max out my blood shards before 😦
untold vortex
yes
rocky trail
aight if i die ill coem for you
waxen imp
@brittle wind yes
brittle wind
I meant what god cast is best??
waxen imp
Lol ok but seriously I think either ares or diameter
Ares cast takes up 1/4 of the screen
Diameter has the chill on cast ability
Anything really except dio's cast because you can't pick it up immediately
limber pine
Aphro/Poseidon has really high damage for Beowulf cast
finite igloo
Hey, question
has anyone noticed anything weird about Thanatos?
I feel like maybe it is new since the 1.0 patch, but it seems like... is he getting effected by Forced Overtime?
he seems WAY faster than he used to be
I've noticed it across a couple of runs but hadn't made the connection to the pact maybe until now?
barren otter
lol, never noticed that myself, but if that's the case, I wonder if Dusa summon is also affected by it.
limber flax
reef galleon
athena
reef galleon
I don't think there are dashes that need to be avoided since it's always semi-passive damage
limber pine
Zeus Dash is fine
reef galleon
i just took zeus dash
@limber flax zeus dash can be very fun if you get the boon that increases the lightning strike radius
reef galleon
I usually ignore those
finite igloo
I sometimes take them if I they show up late and I'm on a low health run and I've taken the +trap damage pact condition
just in case I get tagged by a green pot vs. the last boss 😦
also has anyone here made good use of the drops left by the Shady summon during a fight?
the Darkness and the gold items that are dropped, they block projectiles and attacks
I've had fights where I can shoot my bow or spear between them, or if Asterius is charging, he will run into them, and that feels like it shouldn't happen, but it's actually pretty useful
reef galleon
I've had fights where I can shoot my bow or spear between them, or if Asterius is charging, he will run into them, and that feels like it shouldn't happen, but it's actually pretty useful
too fun to be a feature
finite igloo
eh, its not GREAT but... can be fine, if you get someone to a corner or something you can obliterate them
maybe tempest strike + sea storm
dark quail
What are some good aspects worth investing into?
limber pine
uh, Crit Sword, Chaos Shield, Zag Fist, Chiron Bow
desert nacelle
||Rama|| is good too
dark quail
Is talos malphon good?
dark quail
What are some of the better summons?
desert nacelle
||Megaera||
rustic coral
how do i spolior tag?
dark quail
Oh so ||megaera|| is the best one?
desert nacelle
@dark quail correct
waxen imp
||Bouldy|| best wiefu
tepid ocean
Yo guys how the hell do people use the hidden sword aspect
desert nacelle
Spoilers 
tepid ocean
Just feels so slow and clunky
reef galleon
You tank it
tepid ocean
Oh I see
rigid hazel
what's a good build for the gun with zeus attack?
desert nacelle
Double strike and legendary thingy
cunning urchin
Just more boons from him that buff Chain Lightning.
waxen imp
That is the build
rigid hazel
and if I had to choose a complementary god?
cunning urchin
And Divine Dash because why not.
rigid hazel
@cunning urchin I guess
cunning urchin
Throw in Lady Demeter to get their Duo Boon: Cold Fusion.
desert nacelle
Can i get triple dash attack on default zag spear?
waxen imp
Ye
desert nacelle
Does double touch of styx on stubborn defiance stack?
elder lava
Lol, I started a run with chiron.
Looking for some debuffs to abuse with special.
But I've ended up with scintillating feast, double strike, static discharge, thunder Dash and zues's aid
So I guess I'm just dashing and casting now
finite igloo
@rigid hazel secondary goal try artemis for pressure points and support fire
also i use eris aspect so im throwing out the special a lot to stand in it for damage boost, so Doom special has been decent for a low investment too
fair plinth
I find dio/aphro/artemis to be quite underwhelming, or am I doing something wrong?
rigid hazel
Is the 3-round burst on the gun good with the zeus attack? feel like it would be either the same or worse in terms of dps
tall gulch
If you can stand and fire it's weaker
fair plinth
weak seems kinda meh if you're trying not to get hit, dio's debuff is alright good if you can stack it fast, but that usually means cast/special talents are lackluster with it
tall gulch
If you always have to be moving and only getting bursts off it's stronger
Aphro generally has high damage scaling
rigid hazel
@finite igloo true, artemis support fire should be amazing
sullen plaza
you're not going to go a whole run without getting hit and weak is really good
fair plinth
and artemis boons seems to have straight up lower damage (it gives crit but I guess I prefer reliable damage over low % crits)
tall gulch
Plus the boon to increase damage against weak foes
If you have other things that give you crit then artemis becomes really good
Otherwise yeah, she'll give you lower average dps
fair plinth
you're not going to go a whole run without getting hit and weak is really good
@sullen plaza
that's what healing's for 😛
tall gulch
But she also has some really great synergy boons like support fire, exit wounds, pressure points, the legendary and her call
empty veldt
Umm is it just me or does zeus on chiron bow, the lightning only procs once from the special
tall gulch
Yeah, it only shows the one proc
untold vortex
zeus lightning has an internal cooldown of 0.2 seconds is probably why
fair plinth
her call is also kinda meh? iirc it doesn't give invulnerability
fiery token
which call?
empty veldt
is zeus the best boon for chiron? or is there something else
fair plinth
artemis
tall gulch
Artemis call is one of the highest damage ones
fiery token
for chrion go artemis
empty veldt
Artemis on special eh
fiery token
artemis call can nuke anything with maxed bar
tall gulch
Not counting like ares call with legendary
fair plinth
huh, it's around 3500 damage isn't it? 10 arrows, 350 damage each?
empty veldt
And here i thought i was stepping away from Aphro and artemis
tall gulch
They can and do crit
fiery token
plus crits sometimes
fair plinth
only if you picked the crit boons no?
fiery token
no
tall gulch
Plus they seek and unlike Zeus you don't have to be hugging them
fiery token
her call gets crit
finite igloo
alternative on Chriron Bow: go Demeter and get the Ice exploder on 10 chill stacks boon
tall gulch
No, the call has inate crit chance
finite igloo
its real good
fair plinth
do you have a natural base crit %?
fiery token
thats really good too
empty veldt
alternative on Chriron Bow: go Demeter and get the Ice exploder on 10 chill stacks boon
@finite igloo Done this before
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid does the least damage of all the calls.
fiery token
theres no way thats true
sullen plaza
what about chiron with poseidon special and zeus duo boon
untold vortex
aphrodite's call at max does 3500 for example
fair plinth
also I find that not getting a single athena deflect boons in a run really hurts when you reach elysium =[
cunning urchin
fiery token
aphrodites does like 2500
sullen plaza
i got athena dodge and hermes +3 dodges in my last run 
fiery token
can be 3500 if heroic?
dark quail
So what would be a good shield build?
rocky trail
any tips for making a god call run? posideons call would be fun to just spam several times in a fight 😄
fiery token
uh thers a lot of boons which increase call charge
theres also a duo boon that makes your charge 1/4th but refills it really fast
empty veldt
@rocky trail i once had poseidon call and duo boon of zeus and aphrodite. I beat EM theseus with only using the call
fair plinth
on that note, is it just me or does poseidon's call seem really hard to navigate with WASD
is it better when using joypad？
fiery token
it is for me
empty veldt
Smoldering air's the name of the duo boon of Zeus+artemis
cunning urchin
Aphrodite's Aid is always 2500 for Greater Call.
fiery token
I use wasd and its just really not good
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air is Lady Aphrodite + Lord Zeus. Also, it's one of the best boons in the game.
fiery token
im currently doing a lucifer+artemis run
fair plinth
I'd imagine joypad makes that a lot easier
fiery token
it just annihilates everything
fair plinth
ah yes, speaking of which, is there a easy to read resource for multi-god boons?
tall gulch
Yeah, pos boon is just bad on kb+m because of the turning radius
But also, zeus damage requires you to always be hugging the enemy
Which you just can't do
hushed ledge
Honestly I find pos call to be not that bad on kbm, but it's super finnicky at first
I mainly use it as a "get out of dodge" button over a damage one however
tall gulch
And Ares damage requires you to not get pushed away or the boss dashing somewhere, so it's effective damage is worst
I mean for damage
You're just not going to get all the potential hits
finite igloo
@tall gulch https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons
stiff jewel
can someone help me not hate bow
sullen plaza
use one of the aspects
fair plinth
@stiff jewel get hammer and pick the 200% damage no power shot boon
I got it on my first ever attempt and fell in love with the bow
also it got me straight to thesus, and that was my 3rd run
empty veldt
can someone help me not hate bow
@stiff jewel Bow is my favorite. Twin Shot + Flurry hammer upgrade combo is busted.
I like playing bow while constantly dashing after every shot. Dash Attacks with bow charges faster but deals less damage
Which I feel is a good tradeoff
stiff jewel
I've been using aspect of chiron and half the time it's fun and half the time I just give up because I'm not enjoying it at all
dark quail
What are some good dps builds?
empty veldt
I feel the worst upgrade is the explosive shot
its too sluggish
@dark quail there's builds in 📌
craggy burrow
So I just realized there are the Green mirror abilities. Anything that should be used over the purple ones? I have all the purples maxed except for the Rng ones
craggy burrow
I'm working on that one
fiery token
and +10% on duo/legendaries is my goto. I tried 20% epic its just not great
and for green mirror I use dark regen and the first green one
stiff jewel
i use dark regen and sometimes stygian soul
fiery token
dark regen is essentially a full heal after every boss battle
craggy burrow
Thanks I will check them out
fiery token
unless playing on heat
craggy burrow
With some weapons I can't beat Hades, everything up until then is fine
waxen imp
Am I the only one that likes dio builds
cunning urchin
This is what I use:
Shadow Presence
N/A because I full-time LC4
Stubborn Defiance
Greater Reflex
Boiling Blood
Infernal Soul/Stygian Soul depending on aspect
Deep Pockets
Thick Skin
Privileged Status/Family Favorite depending on build
Olympian Favor (but bablo says Dark Foresight is broken so I've started to give it a try)
God's Pride
Fated Persuasion
Fiery Presence maybe for some aspects like Hestia, though I think I take Shadow Presence more often with that. Also, I say "Privileged Status/Family Favorite depending on build," but honestly I run Family Favorite like 90% of the time. Infernal Soul I only use on Beowulf and Hera. I'd use it for Poseidon Aspect, but I don't really play that.
fiery token
Fiery presence, dark regen, death defiance, greater reflex, boil blood, infernal soul, deep pock, thick skin, fam fav, favor, legacy,
you can use priv status or fam fav its personal pref and build yeah
my goto keepsake is also butterfly
sometimes I will go coin and swap into butterfly though
craggy burrow
I'm trying to figure out which keepsake to use for Hades
cunning urchin
For Hades Aspect?
austere axle
How do I get aspects btw, im new
turbid needle
Unlock all weapons.
craggy burrow
I mean best keepsake for survival against Hades boss
cunning urchin
Acorn.
empty veldt
Why not skelly? Extra DD?
turbid needle
Acorn, maybe Skelly.
fiery token
why would you go acorn though when you can use butterfly
+30% damage is better than blocking a couple hits
waxen imp
Meg earring, you can't die if you kill hades first
turbid needle
Outright damage negation is pretty good when he kills you in like 3 hits.
craggy burrow
I used the skelly and can beat him with some weapons but not others (bow)
fiery token
I just beat him with bow
cunning urchin
Because tanking e.g. 5 spin attacks from him negates 200+ damage. Lucky Tooth only gives you 100 HP.
glass ether
Drunken strike or frost strike for a bow with Flurry shot?
I do has the 10 frost stack explosion
empty veldt
Why is so many people having trouble with the bow when i find the bow the easiest out of the weapons. Is it just me?
cunning urchin
@glass ether Frost Strike.
glass ether
👍
craggy burrow
Thanks I'll try it
waxen imp
@glass ether frost, save dio for special
turbid needle
@empty veldt SGG did a really good job of making very different weapons that are all fairly equal to each other.
craggy burrow
Also how do you unlock the "lock" icon after giving 5 nectar to some chars?
empty veldt
@turbid needle yeah i feel that. I used to use the bow a lot in Monster Hunter, so dash dance attacking with the bow just seems very natural to me
fair plinth
does duo boons always spawn when you meet the prerequisites?
empty veldt
not always
fiery token
they have a chance to just like any other rarity boon
fair plinth
exclusive access seems like a dream
waxen imp
@empty veldt when i use bow, I always get dio on special and pom stack it
fair plinth
Merciful End: Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects.
Does that mean deflect attacks apply doom, or your attacks trigger the doom effect without delay
cunning urchin
Deflect triggers Doom.
fair plinth
does it require a successful deflection
cunning urchin
No.
fair plinth
i.e. if im just spamming attack
smoky atlas
so i just had a crazy gun run
got the rocket enchantment + the one that makes it splits into 5 + all poseidon boons
fair plinth
even if theres no projectiles to deflect
desert nacelle
I got no luck in getting that dual boon 
cunning urchin
Your "Deflect box" just needs to touch the opponent.
fair plinth
ah.
smoky atlas
literally covered the entire room with watery rockets
the rocket enchantment seems rare though, only seen it once out of like 80 runs so far
median oar
how much health/darkness does companion shady give?
desert nacelle
20 or smth like that
rare kayak
man i have an idea for an absolute meme build
pos dash + lightning reflexes + sea storm + smouldering air + ||hades keepsake|| + various aid boosters
from what i can tell it doesnt disappear on attacking with a dash
iunno, maybe stick on a ruthless reflex and use the newest weapon aspect
also i just lost a run
with the newest aspect
desert nacelle
i think one day i will start to use Gods Legacy instead of Gods Pride
worn sand
why do treasure troves sometimes give a nectar?
untold vortex
Because they can :3
For an actual reason, I'm not sure
cunning urchin
That's just something they do sometimes.
waxen imp
5% chance
desert nacelle
Got 3 boons with After u take dmg do smth 
going to find Ares and Athena as well
Meme build dream is real
tall yarrow
Will dash attack bonuses apply to the spear's spin attack if I dash while charging ?
fickle anvil
inb4 pacifist build. finish the game with only athena dash and damage procs
spiral matrix
Isn't that more of a #h1-story-discussion question?
fresh coral
Is there any reason to pick Stubborn Defiance at all? I guess ares' boon that increases damage when you revive but I dunno... it feels like having so little death defies would make redacted too hard, no?
desert nacelle
@fresh coral i heard that most of high heat strat rely on it
🤔
it restores each room
so
fresh coral
Really? I guess you need to get real good at dodging redacted.. I get it, since you get a lot more DDs per run total but like, it only heals to 30% instead of 50% and you can't have multiple
brittle wind
Is there any reason to pick Stubborn Defiance at all? I guess ares' boon that increases damage when you revive but I dunno... it feels like having so little death defies would make redacted too hard, no?
@fresh coral no... it's like the name... only the stubborn one will pick that
fresh coral
Maybe I'm just bad at that last fight but I usually keep all 3 DD until redacted and finish that fight with 0...
random light
^^ on top of dodging well, people tend to take the Acorn trinket, which outright blocks the first 5 instances of damage
tall yarrow
At high heats the non-boss chambers can be much more deadly than the boss chambers, and with tight deadline at high levels you don't always have time to play it safe on those chambers
random light
on the really high Heats, getting to the boss can be way more of a problem
torpid wren
I feel like Stubborn may be helpful in heat runs that got no healing and... dying once per room is probally more reliable in an evironment where most rooms could prob kill you
fickle anvil
Maybe I'm just bad at that last fight but I usually keep all 3 DD until redacted and finish that fight with 0...
@fresh coral you will eventually finish the runs with all 3 intact
fresh coral
Hmm, I guess with that perspective it makes sense
random light
Heightened Security, Benefits Package, Middle Management, Damage Control, and so on
fresh coral
I've only gotten to heat 16 for now so
random light
the regular encounters can become pure Hades
whereas the bosses only really have Extreme Measures up their sleeves
trim grotto
Are any of the hammer upgrades good for Hera?
random light
Perhaps the one that makes your special deal +400% damage to Armor?
Armor shred always useful
desert nacelle
+4 on special?
zenith jay
How do I unlock the 4th extreme measure rank
desert nacelle
is that a bow?
dry ember
I like Twinshot and Point Blank Shot
desert nacelle
@dry ember 
dry ember
@zenith jay you can ask in #h1-story-discussion
random light
How do I unlock the 4th extreme measure rank
@zenith jay Once you finish the main storyline and then do a few more runs in the epilogue it becomes a thing you can purchase from the Contractor
dry ember
@desert nacelle 
zenith jay
New fist is really fun
marsh dawn
Tiny Vermin is harder than redacted.
random light
Inb4 Extreme Measures 5 actually does apply to Tiny Vermin
I want to use Lucifer Rail, I really do. But standing still with an attack that doesn't hit stun enemies is 
marsh dawn
EM5 brings poison to Elysium
random light
EM5 brings poison to Elysium
@marsh dawn d e l e t t h i s
fickle anvil
Tiny Vermin is harder than redacted.
@marsh dawn except when the ai goes bonkers and he gets stuck on a ledge
marsh dawn
If only that would happen to me.
fiery token
what build do you use for Poseidon aspect stygian blade
marsh dawn
Dash. Don’t even use the sword.
desert nacelle
@random light delet 
waxen imp
Artemis cast build
fickle anvil
yeah basically exit wounds is kinda needed
quartz chasm
whats the best aspect for the shield
hearty elbow
They're all pretty good.
quartz chasm
whats a blitz disc
fickle anvil
however, the hidden one is pretty baller with a poseidon cast
marsh dawn
Shield spins like a blade rift.
robust anchor
i am a big fan of zag shield
marsh dawn
Zeus and Zag are my favorites. Zag is so consistent.
hearty elbow
It's not bad, just very different than literally anything in the game
waxen imp
whats the best aspect for the shield
@quartz chasm yes
hearty elbow
Zag requires by far the least investment to max
marsh dawn
It also hits like a truck
robust anchor
besides the hidden one which aspect is best for the fists
waxen imp
Hits like a truck and can block almost all damage, balanced
empty veldt
Aspect of Zaegrus vs Aspect of Lucius?
marsh dawn
The endless debate for fists. Talos and Demeter are both good. I prefer Talos.
robust anchor
i see
fickle anvil
i mean one is a machinegun, the other is a laserbeam
empty veldt
in terms of damage
fickle anvil
i think lucius beats. not sure tho
empty veldt
what heat? and may i know ur build?
brittle wind
only 12... lol
quartz chasm
ferocious charge, bull rush or charged flight
fiery token
hm so poseidon aspect with artemis casr build
desert nacelle
fiery token
id go 3rd one
fickle anvil
yeah same
marsh dawn
Which aspect? Explosive is best if you’re using special.
fiery token
poseidon aspect
empty veldt
only 12... lol
@brittle wind hey all g man, my highest is still 15, but i just wanna know cause fists not my specialty, would lov esome insight
marsh dawn
Concentrated of using attack. Explosive for special.
brittle wind
athena and doom
empty veldt
athena on attack and doom on special yeah?
brittle wind
yeah
empty veldt
noted, thanks man
marsh dawn
Athena call?
fickle anvil
altho the other way around works too since doom stacks exist
fiery token
ok so I got deadly flourish with poseidon aspect sword
now I just need that other boon
exit wounds
fickle anvil
don't forget to get a cast that actually sticks in the target
random light
man how many of ||his capes is Hades going to burn, it's really just a waste of good cloth like seriously just don't bring it to the fight||
fiery token
and I just got enshrouded shot from chaos. this is gonna be a good run
random light
For one's that stick in the target, perhaps Artemis cast for crits or Athena cast for deflects?
Aphrodite's probably does the most, but idk if that sticks
Could also go Zeus for area damage, especially with Poseidon Sword since you can spam your cast
fickle anvil
well the ones that stick are Crush Shot, Electric Shot, Flood Shot, Phalanx Shot, or True Shot.
Aphrodite's probably does the most, but idk if that sticks
@random light also the range tho
marsh dawn
Dio, Aphro, and Ares are the only ones that don’t stick I think
random light
Spamming Crush Shot seems like a great way to do a lot of close range damage, and if you can buff your damage vs weak with the Aphro boon for that and snag the charm would be good
Demeter doesn't stick
marsh dawn
Wait does aphro stick?
random light
It does
marsh dawn
Okay so Demeter, Ares, and Dio
fickle anvil
well it is a laser beam
fiery token
her cast is like those crystal things right
waxen imp
@random light ||Hades will burn many capes and zagreus is going to pay for it||
marsh dawn
Yeah. Demeter, Ares, and Dio don’t stick.
fickle anvil
also since ur getting exit wounds you might also get fully loaded her legendary which should get ur dps right up there
random light
@random light ||Hades will burn many capes and zagreus is going to pay for it||
@waxen imp So this is where all my Diamonds are going smh my head
fickle anvil
altho you need an extra one to get the legendary. hunter's mark or support fire
random light
P r e s s u r e P o i n t s
fiery token
ill try to aim for supp fire
tardy plinth
Ay fam, what's the dealieo with Shields these days?
I know Chaos used to be insane but it seems like it was patched so your special doesn't home quite as much?
fickle anvil
lmao just throw them around the room
hearty elbow
It got nerfed in Ricochet, Spread, and Range
fickle anvil
I know Chaos used to be insane but it seems like it was patched so your special doesn't home quite as much?
@tardy plinth i still think the hidden aspect is the way to go
hearty elbow
I am in the camp that it is decidedly average now.
tardy plinth
Ayyyy it felt that way, which is probably fair because it used to be pretty obscene
marsh dawn
Chaos just doesn’t feel great.
cunning urchin
@robust anchor Demeter Aspect. Talos is fun and all, but Demeter Aspect is easily #1 for both speedruns and high heat.
tardy plinth
Yeah it used to be my go-to but I've never really messed with the others - Hidden seems to have solid potential. How about Zeus?
hearty elbow
I think it got pretty overnerfed. But I do believe it needed to get nerfed, so yeah.
random light
wait there's a Shield weapon??
marsh dawn
I like Zeus a lot.
heady relic
Anyone have tips or boons you like to use with the Bull Rush ability for shields? I feel like I never use it and would like to give it a better go.
marsh dawn
Zeus with a stacking dot effect and support fire is insane.
random light
Zeus is definitely a fun Shield aspect, especially since Chaos isn't what it was
Zeus shield with maxed out Zeus boons (extra bounces, double lightning, etc) is excellent area clear
cunning urchin
"Average" doesn't sound bad at all. That should mean it's in a good spot.
hearty elbow
It's not. Someone will probably crack the weapon at some point.
But I'm not jumping up to recommend average stuff to people
dark quail
Demeter aspect for fists is good for dps?
cunning urchin
The worst aspects in Hades are still really good.
random light
Anyone have tips or boons you like to use with the Bull Rush ability for shields? I feel like I never use it and would like to give it a better go.
@heady relic bit of a no brainer, but don't use Athena on Attack, since Shield already blocks.
Demeter aspect for fists is good for dps?
@dark quail It's so good
it's got a built in burst
marsh dawn
Talos is also good
random light
Demeter fists at max rank with the double kick hammer upgrade is 
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect is the best for DPS, yes. Talos can't compare in DPS, honestly.
dark quail
What boons would you recommend with demeter?
random light
My personal Demeter Fists build goes Aphro Attack, Artemis Special, Athena Dash™️
hearty elbow
I typically always go Deadly Flourish
marsh dawn
Demeter requires blood to get to that point. Talos shreds at level one.
tardy plinth
Excellent thanks @hearty elbow @fickle anvil @marsh dawn @random light for the feedback! Hope everyone is having a blast out there with 1.0 😍
fickle anvil
anything with percentage damage on special really
hearty elbow
everything else varies
slim oak
I'm boring, I don't use other fists other than Zags, just go Plume and watch my dodge soar
solid cairn
what's a good demeter fist build
random light
like i said earlier, Aphro Attack with Artemis Special
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash for Demeter Aspect will affect Dash-Uppers, so that's a whole lot of damage.
random light
go for Pressure Points, Support Fire, and the Aphro/Art Duo that gives +50% critical damage against Weak afflicted
and of course, the ever useful Athena Dash™️
cunning urchin
Eh, Heartbreak Strike isn't great on Malphon. I wish it was.
random light
It's mostly to set up for the boosted crits
hearty elbow
@random light Might want to move that to #self-promotion /s
cunning urchin
You'll want Divine Strike, Lightning Strike, or Curse of Agony on Attack. Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish on Special.
marsh dawn
If you get seeking bladerifts, do the dash rifts move?
cunning urchin
- Divine Dash or Hunter Dash.
random light
and Aphro boons tend to have the highest base strike damage modifiers
velvet yoke
In order of worst to best what’s the best weapons ?
fickle anvil
that's not a very cash cash money question
hearty elbow
And it would spark a debate thousands of lines long
random light
For Hammer, the double kick special on Demeter is spectacular especially with crit special, I also prefer either the +900% armor break dash attack or the +5 base damage on consecutive hit
untold vortex
You'll get a different answer from everyone you ask @velvet yoke
velvet yoke
Seems that so far ^
random light
I just cannot win that final fight
@velvet yoke just use Athena Dash and never take damage again :^)
lavish breach
The best weapon is the one you have the most reps on
cunning urchin
Best hammers are Explosive Upper and Breaching Cross, after that is Long Knuckle.
velvet yoke
Reps ?
lavish breach
Repetitions
marsh dawn
If you get seeking bladerifts, will the dash rifts also seek?
fickle anvil
@velvet yoke just use Athena Dash and never take damage again :^)
@random light don't forget to pickup those +3 dashes from hermes
hearty elbow
Pretty sure yes, all rifts are coded the same way
marsh dawn
Thank you
random light
Epic Greatest Reflex + Athena Dash = 
velvet yoke
rail gun is my most used
marsh dawn
Rail hun is right
random light
Rail is an excellent weapon
dry ember
I, too, love my rail hun
fickle anvil
just not the normal aspect
empty veldt
i think they're all excellent weapons no? just depends on the user
marsh dawn
Yep
velvet yoke
Im gonna just keep trying
dry ember
If you good, weapon good.
cunning urchin
@random light Curse of Agony and Lightning Strike have the best DPS you can get on Malphon, and Divine Strike offers more utility than anything else. I wish Heartbreak Strike could compare, but it doesn't really. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/712542032706666496
But Heartbreak Strike is good on Fists 4.
marsh dawn
Can’t escape with normal sword to save my life. Can’t stand the dash-strike spam. Usually win with dash or cast builds.
cunning urchin
Can scroll down a bit from there for DPS comparisons.
fickle anvil
psh. chaos boons are the true build makers
dry ember
Almost like there is an aspect for that @marsh dawn
random light
hmmm I hadn't seen these numbers before
marsh dawn
But then I have to stop using Stygian soul 
cunning urchin
Basically, Heartbreak Strike only ties with Curse of Agony and Lightning Strike on single targets. As soon as you add more enemies, Curse of Agony and Lightning Strike will push way ahead in DPS.
random light
NGL i didn't realize Ares Doom stacked without extra boons
But then Heartbreak Strike is better for shredding bosses, no?
Not that Doom and Lightning can't hit hard as well
cunning urchin
Doom doesn't stack, no.
Doom beats Heartbreak Strike easily on bosses, too, because you can just hit and run and get full Doom damage.
fickle anvil
doom stacks if you have that dire misfortune
random light
On Demeter Fists, don't you want to stay in their face and smack them as many times as possible to continue unloading your crit specials?
I don't particularly play hit and run at all on Fists so maybe that's a personal gameplay difference
velvet yoke
Any good dash builds I should look into ?
proper lagoon
theres an upgrade that makes it so after you special your next couple attacks are +200%
for fists
marsh dawn
Poseidon/Dio dash build is insane @velvet yoke
proper lagoon
so you could go in and out in and out
cunning urchin
Only really if you play on heat so low that it doesn't matter how much you get hit. But then it doesn't really matter what boons you run, either, to be honest.
velvet yoke
What’s the best keepstakes ?
cunning urchin
Base damage on Malphon Attack is too low for +% boons to tie with Lightning Strike or Curse of Agony, anyway.
random light
I'll admit I just hit like 13 heat, so i'm not quite at that level of needing to optimize yet
fickle anvil
What’s the best keepstakes ?
@velvet yoke best for what
random light
i'll probably end up using your strat once I get up there
What’s the best keepstakes ?
@velvet yoke take whichever you need to force the builds you want
cunning urchin
Also, if you mix in Dash-Uppers, Doom will also still do full damage whereas Heartbreak Strike would of course do no damage meanwhile.
random light
If you already have the core boons you need, you can take Plume/Butterfly if you're confident in your ability to fulfill the conditions, Skelly for survival, or any other trinket you feel is useful for your playstyle
cunning urchin
Though Heart Rend could probably make up for that. But with Curse of Agony you could get Merciful End, so it's not like an easy call there either.
random light
Also, if you mix in Dash-Uppers, Doom will also still do full damage whereas Heartbreak Strike would of course do no damage meanwhile.
@cunning urchin Heart Rend has been my go to for the moment, I'll try an Ares Attack run right now, see how it goes. I definitely didn't consider it before, so thank you
fickle anvil
speaking of keepsakes, does the harpy feather duster spawn only a max of 1 burrito per chamber?
or can it spawn more
random light
it's a %chance
cunning urchin
Good luck!
random light
depends on your luck
fickle anvil
yeah i know but has anyone found more than one per room?
empty veldt
Explosive FIre/Delta CHamber/Piercing Fire, which one is best for Aspect of Eris?
random light
i think i got like three or four in a Satyr Sack chamber since there's usually a billion pots there
that only happened once though
fickle anvil
Explosive FIre/Delta CHamber/Piercing Fire, which one is best for Aspect of Eris?
@empty veldt you can still reload with delta chamber so you do you
random light
Piercing or Explosive Fire seems the way to go imo
fickle anvil
i think i got like three or four in a Satyr Sack chamber since there's usually a billion pots there
@random light oh so it can happen. good. that's what i wanted to know
empty veldt
@empty veldt you can still reload with delta chamber so you do you
@fickle anvil wait isnt the point of delta chamber to never reload?
cunning urchin
Eris doesn't care for reloads. That's Hestia.
fickle anvil
Eris doesn't care for reloads. That's Hestia.
@cunning urchin ah my bad
cunning urchin
Piercing Fire sounds good on Eris.
fickle anvil
you don't need to reload with delta chamber but you can still press r to manually reload. but i mixed up the aspects
random light
I've been liking the Pom Blossom trinket NGL
it's not consistent especially if you just go around snagging a million boons but it's nice especially when you don't need Skelly trinket and you don't need to force any boons
fickle anvil
it's pretty good on styx where you are garantueed 4 encounters per sack searching
random light
Ok so I have question, I've used Explosive Upper on the Fists a couple times now, and sometimes my special doesn't go boom, is there like a cooldown or is a %chance or am i just tripping out?
zenith jay
What weapon you guys suggest for the crystal beam build
marble sparrow
aspect of beowulf + posidon cast + posaidon attack =shotgun build 😄
fickle anvil
Ok so I have question, I've used Explosive Upper on the Fists a couple times now, and sometimes my special doesn't go boom, is there like a cooldown or is a %chance or am i just tripping out?
@random light doesn't that only trigger on dash upper?
but yes it should proc everytime
marble sparrow
also the deadalus ranged power attack 😄
desert nacelle
I think Zeus hates me
fair plinth
He probably does
random light
doesn't that only trigger on dash upper?
@fickle anvil I thought it was supposed to go kaboom on any special
did i read the description wrong
hold up let me check this
tall gulch
@finite igloo Why did you link me the duo boons?
fickle anvil
fek can't post screenshot to show. yes it's on dash upper only
random light
oh it is the dash upper
cunning urchin
Explosive Upper only affects Dash-Uppers.
random light
:^) i got brain rot
cunning urchin
Dash-Uppers do more damage on Demeter Aspect anyway when charged.
random light
@cunning urchin you said Zeus Attack also goes well on Demeter Fists?
cunning urchin
Yes.
random light
comparable to Doom?
cunning urchin
Yes.
random light
What's the Zeus/Artemis Duo?
cunning urchin
Lightning Rod.
fickle anvil
crystal becomes lightning rod when it drops
dark quail
What are some aspects which are great even with just 1 or 2 points invested in them?
random light
Nemesis
Rama
Demeter
although Demeter really comes online around lv 3 or 4
but it's still good earlier, just not quite as crazy as it gets later
it kinda depends how you like to play
cunning urchin
I've actually no idea, I've only played with maxed-out aspects for so long.
random light
Nemesis is definitely strong at early levels, free crit is never bad
cunning urchin
Hera and Poseidon don't really care at all if they're Lv.1 or Lv.5.
fickle anvil
honestly? the only one i recommend at the beginning to get outside of zag aspect until you get the necesarry blood is the hera aspect of the bow. it's pretty dope even with lvl 1
cunning urchin
I recommend whichever aspect you think sounds fun.
Ain't no point in spending on aspects you don't think sound fun.
Regardless of how effective it is in theory.
No aspects are truly great at Lv. 1 or 2.
random light
^^^ there is no bad weapon or bad aspect
only weapons and aspects you, as a player, prefer over other options
cunning urchin
Lv.5 aspects are noticeably way stronger than Lv.1.
robust anchor
all aspects are beautiful and loved
fickle anvil
bad weapon no. bad aspect? i think zag Adamant Rail is kinda bad
fickle anvil
i mean i'd rather spend the blood in any other rail aspect other than zag
random light
bad weapon no. bad aspect? i think zag Adamant Rail is kinda bad
@fickle anvil Zag Rail is my go to on Rail lol
Extra ammo means more Support Fire procs XDDD
cunning urchin
I only play Hestia and Eris, but Zag Rail is a perfectly viable aspect.
random light
I usually go for on hit type stuff with Rail, you know like Zeus multi zap builds
cunning urchin
I'd say it's better than rail 4.
random light
so extra ammo means more hits
Yeah I wanna like the Hidden Aspect of Rail
cuz its cool
but
fickle anvil
but no seriously, the blood spent in that aspect gets denied by one shmall hammer upgrade
trim grotto
What's a good god to go with Hestia?
random light
I don't like standing still with an attack that has no hitstun
cunning urchin
@trim grotto Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.
Personally, I pick Heartbreak Strike every time.
fickle anvil
What's a good god to go with Hestia?
@trim grotto if slow and big damage, try and get percentage attacks, if fast and lwo damage gow tih base stat attacks
cunning urchin
Then get Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air.
trim grotto
How do you play Hestia anyway? Just reload after each shot?
fickle anvil
i mean yeah, but if the enemy has 1 hp left nobody is gonna mind if you put an extra bullet in him before you reload
cunning urchin
If you stand still when you press reload, you're stuck in reload animation and can't move.
But if you're already moving, you can keep moving.
fickle anvil
also remember when you enter a chamber to reload because you don't start with the buff on
cunning urchin
On pad, remap reload to LB or something. RS is just a not a good button for it.
fair plinth
question about demeter boon Killing Freeze
trim grotto
Yeah, already have it to right back trigger on my switch
fair plinth
i presume it works 100% of the time on bosses since they're the only foe on the encounter?
trim grotto
Was tempted to do the same with cast.
fair plinth
unless they summon adds
trim grotto
Since Hera using A to load casts and Y to fire is awkward.
fair plinth
does it work on Hades himself?
fickle anvil
yes
cunning urchin
Works on every enemy.
fickle anvil
omg it''s +3 dashes. everyone run
desert nacelle
"some" waves
cunning urchin
I really tried to make Tempest Strike work on 32 Heat on Zag Aspect, but the DPS was so bad lol.
Always timed out in Elysium.
fickle anvil
well, i think the time gets eaten in a certain magma place that doesn't have walls.
cunning urchin
It's really bad in Elysium, too.
