theseus/asterius are both halves
#h1-builds-and-combat
unkempt pagoda
spark lotus
@marsh dawn Not high priority IMO, but it's nice to have
marsh dawn
I’m trying to pinpoint what boons are universally good other than Athena dash.
jaunty solar
when the shield is returning on zeus aspect everytime the area collides with zagreus' hitbox, it triggers support fire
spark lotus
Support fire on fists is crazy, also on bow's Special
tidal hawk
Why is artemis so good
livid comet
Greatest Reflex
spark lotus
The best girl
tidal hawk
At everything
livid comet
Artemis is okay at best
marsh dawn
My first hell mode clear was Chiron with +4 and support fire. My only bow clear ever lol
livid comet
Really? Rama tho
marsh dawn
Went into it thinking it was just a resource run
livid comet
oh wait that's a hidden aspect
marsh dawn
Before I knew it I was in Styx
hearty elbow
Artemis is the only god with multiplicative scaling
marsh dawn
Deflect dash carries everyone
marsh dawn
I also like deflect special on sword
tidal hawk
I know spear and acorn are god
hearty elbow
1.0 is new, and a bunch of stuff changed
hearty elbow
Though the meta for high heat keepsakes is typically God > God/Coinpurse > Acorn > Acorn
tidal hawk
So what
you do athena first or something
whatever you want
then force second god for duo attempt?
hearty elbow
Second God is typically Athena for Asphodel synergy with SD
this is really broad generalization obv
tidal hawk
SD?
hearty elbow
Stubborn Defiance
tidal hawk
Ah
Gotcha
Oh yeah
does athena give the extra HP on defiance?
boon thing
or am I crazy
hearty elbow
No, she gives additional DD's if you have an empty slot
marsh dawn
Stubborn is only better on like 20 heat+ right?
hearty elbow
So you kill yourself on lava and you get a real DD to pair with your SD
tidal hawk
I beat 20 with regular defiances
untold quiver
So support fire on Zues Shield is hilarious
silent flare
What's the general game plan for shield? I don't really get when to use dash-strike vs rush, what move sequence to spam for optimal damage, etc
hearty elbow
I think the division is whether or not you need the huge health buffer for a particular boss, In those situations, DD is better. If not, SD is kinda just better always
Which aspect?
silent flare
I guess both chaos and zeus
hearty elbow
Those are wildly different
tidal hawk
Chaos shield is literally spam
hearty elbow
I can't speak to how to play Zeus
tidal hawk
Not gonna lie to you
silent flare
how about chaos then?
hearty elbow
Ideally you're looking to spam bull rush either into a pack if it's safe or anywhere, then toss your shields into enemies
hearty elbow
If you have a debuff like Doom, Weak, etc. on your Attack, the bull rush also applies those
tidal hawk
It can block 90% of things in the entire game
hearty elbow
Look for like Thunder Flourish, or Curse of Pain on the special
marsh dawn
Which one is curse of pain?
silent flare
does bull rush block during the movement too? and when to use dash strikes and basic attacks, if ever?
hearty elbow
Doom special
marsh dawn
Ah yes
hearty elbow
The typical play loop is to hide in your shield until they use an attack animation, then release the charge, throw your shields into them, dash away, then repeat
silent flare
I see
tidal hawk
to stun lock
unkempt pagoda
pain = p = sPecial
marsh dawn
What hammer upgrades do you look for?
silent flare
thanks ledger, hiss
hearty elbow
Sudden Rush is nice for QoL, but Chaos doesn't really benefit that hard from hammers. Exploding Return is okay
silent flare
oh, is zag shield any good? the blood upgrade looks kinda meh at first glance
marsh dawn
Zag shield is my favorite
hearty elbow
Yeah, it plays like what Zag sword wishes it could play like lol
I like it a lot too
silent flare
what's zag shield game plan? :p
silent flare
is the spammable move sequence just basic attack and dash strikes? do you still use bull rush a lot?
hearty elbow
Yeah I don't bother with any of the bull rush shenaigans, I just use it as a sword lol
marsh dawn
Yeah. Bulrush is just what happens after you block
hearty elbow
I use bull rush if I anticipate a highly telegraphed attack I don't feel like dodging
E.g. Dad lasers
Dad everything
untold quiver
Soooo I'm still on the run, but I think support fire Zues Shield might be my new favorite shinanigans boon
silent flare
gotcha
marsh dawn
Except the stupid vases. The bane of my existence.
red junco
does explosive return on chaos shield trigger for each shield or just once?
limber pine
urgh, Lucifer Aspect just made me gave up halfway through the 3rd boss fight, was doing terrible damage with Zeus attack
worldly trellis
okay Im running triple beam lucy with zeus attack and it is blinding, half my screen is just white
its actually a detriment lmao
worldly trellis
maybe its my gamma or something
livid comet
I had Lucy with triple beam and Zeus attack
untold quiver
Just once @red junco you only "catch" your actual shield
worldly trellis
it depends how many enemies are on screen, bc thats 3 attacks all creating chain lightning balls
red junco
okay ty
livid comet
I ended up just using it in melee
inland meadow
So this happened https://gyazo.com/bf50d1bb32936d6c12649758b4637a94
thats hades spear
after he died
untold quiver
Wow......that was ....boss shredding
Incidentally I like that I can switch between tougher bosses and tougher rooms depending on what I'm more comfortable with per weapon
robust anchor
is fated authority or persuasion better monkahmm
worldly trellis
I prefer persuasion
jaunty solar
which one is the one that allows you to change which boons a god is offering
robust anchor
if i get a room for meta currency like gems or keys can it reroll into a boon or gold or heart or something
jaunty solar
that one is my preference
brittle wind
persuasion is better by a lot
if i get a room for meta currency like gems or keys can it reroll into a boon or gold or heart or something
@robust anchor no
jaunty solar
persuasion
robust anchor
yes thats what i assumed
jaunty solar
persuasion feels so nice actually
brittle wind
currency can only get rolled into another currency
how to get well versed achievement?? it says fully unlock olympians codex entries
brittle wind
I don't understand what is means though
worldly trellis
the codex, the book of character info achilles gives you
brittle wind
is it duo included?? is it legendary?? or normal boons??
worldly trellis
gotta get all of the entries in that book
boons dont really have anything to do with it
worldly trellis
its just talking to the olympians, giving them nectar, etc
brittle wind
full nectar??
worldly trellis
max your relationships with them basically
brittle wind
okay well try that
worldly trellis
idk man, enough that the text is fully filled out
brittle wind
okay the text
worldly trellis
idk if you noticed but each entry gets bigger the more you speak to that character
ya
spark lotus
@hearty elbow Man that Poseidon+Zeus dash build is crazy
hearty elbow
Lol, it's something. Work out for you I assume?
hearty elbow
Pretty sure
worldly trellis
thats nuts if it does, Im heading into hades with 4 DDs
spark lotus
@hearty elbow It destroys Styx with slams and does decent damage everywhere. Second Wave makes eyes in Elysium disappear after one hit
And you're mobile, so pretty much nothing hits you
I like it, certainly going for a heat on it
main osprey
@smoky elm (from #hades-feedback ) the devs have said that they don't intend to make very difficult challenges (though if you'd like to see gameplay of that, I've recorded it once or twice)
winged hearth
Feeling really good about my runs ❤️ just went from 32 min to this 24 which feels amazing!
rare kayak
move that needle
hard kelp
got my first win just now. and now i need to plan for the second
stable ore
hey what boons go great with ares' boons? I've been trying to make it work on em4 though but for some reason i always lack damage
hard kelp
what are some good builds with talos gloves?
winged hearth
Artemis!
Talos gloves I go with zeus for the main attach then anything else for the rest. Also 100% on the upgrade that gives you armour breaking on your dash
robust anchor
i am a big fan of getting support fire
hard kelp
im trying to get at least one aspect per weapon so i can have some variety, i heard talos was a good one point wonder
robust anchor
yea i agree with that
hard kelp
tbh, i heard the one point wonders were talos gloves, hera bow (with dionysus cast), nemesis sword, and poseidon sword. u guys think there is any that i'm missing?
worldly trellis
lucifer is 3 to unlock but doesnt rlly require further investment
hera is also good with other casts if you invest 3, since the trade-off after 3 is miniscule
twilit pond
Best spear aspect? Only have limited bloods, so I want to make the correct choice.
Also when does the last aspect unlock?
untold quiver
@stable ore you either look for Merciful end duo with Athena, or Hunting Blades duo with Artimis
livid comet
@twilit pond Guan Yu is by far my favourite spear. It redeems the weapon as a whole imo
hushed ledge
Big mood
twilit pond
Is that the last? I don't have that.
hushed ledge
GY? My favourite aspect in the game
Rest of spear? All bottom 50%
main osprey
GY is the 4th, yes
hard kelp
how do u unlock the different hidden weapons?
twilit pond
How to unlock?
main osprey
check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
stable ore
@stable ore you either look for Merciful end duo with Athena, or Hunting Blades duo with Artimis
@untold quiver ooh thanks i will try it now, I thought that ares and aphro duo boons was good and got my behind handed to me in em4
livid comet
Iirc GY is actually the first that you unlock
main osprey
yup
stable ore
GY with explosive special?
main osprey
def
twilit pond
Do upgrades count for the unlock or only new unlocks?
dry ember
You can't get explosive skewer on GY right?
livid comet
Iirc yeah
main osprey
no, just charged, I misread
livid comet
it's charged skewer you want
twilit pond
So 2 spear unlocks + 3 of any other weapon should do it?
hushed ledge
GY is so good
stable ore
charged skewer is the one that turns spear special into bow mechanic right?
or was that the one that explodes upon impact
dry ember
I mean GY has a explosive skewer built in
hushed ledge
Doesn't give it a power shot, so not bow mechanic
livid comet
Pretty much. It turns GY into the best bow
hushed ledge
Tbh even base GY is the best bow
livid comet
eeeh I find the damage kinda lacking in later stages
stable ore
any good boons to partner with GY spin attack?
dry ember
I'm happy to say that with the recent buffs
livid comet
needs Aphrodite and poms
dry ember
Bow is now best bow
livid comet
@stable ore athena
hushed ledge
Bow feels even better now ye
azure seal
ares could work
dry ember
It no longer lives in the shadows of Hestia or GY
hushed ledge
GY spin attack isn't great imo
main osprey
it's just a very different build
hushed ledge
But a lot of my friends who are just starting feel like bow is clunky and I just don't get it
main osprey
you basically need quick spin
livid comet
GY spin attack is like maim: a trap
stable ore
yeah most of my runs got ruined becuase the charge was sooo long
twilit pond
Spin attack is the most niche skill in the game. Why even bother using it unless monster spawn in?
main osprey
niche, yes
livid comet
Quick spin with Athena attack is amazing.
main osprey
but I've melted the second half of a run with quick spin QY, with Zeus attack
main osprey
@hidden pike (from #hades-feedback ) that's just how some boons work, not every boon is intended to be perfect with every situation
livid comet
he got hit by his projectile stream
mighty ermine
spear spin is vital to hades aspect and not hard to fit into normal combat with the dash tech and not fully charging them
quick spin isn't even necessarily needed
stable ore
charged spin with what boons?
hushed ledge
back in my day we one shot lernie with bow
stable ore
is there some sort of official weapons tier list?
main osprey
don't think so
livid comet
only personal ones
stable ore
I want to make them bottom weapons work for some reason
main osprey
you'll get different answers from everyone
twilit pond
Vanilla fist and sword feel like bottom tier to me.
hushed ledge
Weapons are super playstyle and heat based imo
livid comet
like rail is clearly the worst weapon in the game but some disagree with facts 🧐
hushed ledge
Zag fist/sword are great imo
twilit pond
I just got my first clear with rail. Seemed like one of the strongest weapons... *with special boon.
hushed ledge
Hestia is cool because you have the dumb carry of bomb in tart and then you can buy some time to get the late game online
bright flint
Rail is definitely strong, just boring for me to play
stable ore
first sword is actually good with hermes boon that gives extra dmg based on +movement speed right?
hushed ledge
I use bomb mainly in tarr
stable ore
and the partner it with arti attack and you're all set
hushed ledge
Because it falls off hard
stable ore
lucy aspect with zues attack is good too
twilit pond
with controller you dont really need to aim
livid comet
it was a slog to get Lucifer to the top with Zeus attack
maybe I'm just not used to it
hushed ledge
I actually find that rail special is harder to aim will with autoaim
stable ore
it works great with hordes of enemy though
livid comet
yup
hushed ledge
Like on kbm I can flick shoot it
stable ore
boss fights though? not much
hushed ledge
And it's fairly low commitment and high base damage
hushed ledge
Half of rail feels like controller and half kbm
twilit pond
All I can say is that the "3 shot special" with Athena'S deflect + dmg boon soloed the run basically. Homing cast for +50% damage and gg.
livid comet
Hm.
wheat wadi
Q: is aphrodite's call the worst call or do I just think its bad?
livid comet
its in his name: POS call is a POS
main osprey
Aphro is good to spam against waves, and charge up against bosses
or with Smoldering Air becomes OP
Poseidon is good because invulnerability + high damage
livid comet
on the other hand, aph and POS casts are my favourite in the game
also, Athena call does the same but better @main osprey
twilit pond
@wheat wadi It works on bosses I think, which means free 5+ sec damage and no damage on you.
livid comet
And Ares call does the same thing better
main osprey
also, Athena call does the same but better @main osprey
@livid comet depends on your existing DPS
wheat wadi
Damn does it? I used it on hydra and hades and saw like nothing happen
I thought maybe I saw minotaur attack theseus but I can't be sure
wheat wadi
Does athena's call boost damage at all or is it just straight invulnerability?
wheat wadi
Does that reflect melee attacks back onto mobs?
wheat wadi
Dang me neither. Too much is happening if I'm using a call lol
main osprey
I also haven't had much time to play recently xD
twilit pond
Aspect of Guan Yu seems awful unless you max that. Wtf -70% hp?!!?!?!?
I have like 8 blood an no clue where I get more tbh, so having to use 15 blood makes this pointless for my credits-goal. Bummer.
untold quiver
I'm not in front of my game but talking to a friend.....the the change to the chaos shields take away the abilites if the copies to cause debuffs like doom?
main osprey
Nope
hushed ledge
You gotta max GY for it to be at it's best, but it turns out that having fast ranged damage and heals makes up for less hp
lusty sequoia
melee attacks get reflected with athena dash at least
so its probably the same with the call
main osprey
Yup
unborn inlet
60 hours in, and I only now just found out the shield blocks.
main osprey
Oof
unborn inlet
Today is a good day
hushed ledge
Blocking is the most powerful part of shield, have fun lol
unborn inlet
To be fair I'm finished with shield, my builds with it are, uhhhh kinda boring atm, cause I usually go for a special build with the zeus aspect.
twilit pond
According to https://www.gamesradar.com/hades-weapon-upgrades/ you only need to unlock 3 different weapon aspects
magic dagger
Half of rail feels like controller and half kbm
@hushed ledge just use a control setup like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751112073924313208/755565546220683284/Gued_Controls.png
twilit pond
The pinned message says 5
main osprey
Check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
hushed ledge
I can't use analog movement is my problem lollll
magic dagger
@main osprey 👋
hearty elbow
That's still one of the grossest things I've ever seen lol
magic dagger
I think you mean
hushed ledge
You clearly haven't seen what was almost the required setup for the zoo race speedruns
twilit pond
@main osprey It says 5, but the website says 3. The pinned message is 3 months old. Which is it?
hushed ledge
There was a period of time where we thought it might be optimal to use arrow keys, a mouse, and a controller all at once
worldly trellis
Im trying to figure out why people like aphro attack so much and I just dont get it
livid comet
big numbers
untold vortex
it has the highest +% damage
livid comet
the damage bonus is the highest from aph
hushed ledge
Yeah it's just large numbers
magic dagger
weak is pretty good, too
worldly trellis
yea but, overall is it more damage than stacking hangover or doom?
livid comet
taste my spear of love
hushed ledge
You hit like a truck and weak is pretty useful as a side bonus
livid comet
yes
magic dagger
damage reduction feelsgoodman
livid comet
plus sweet surrender for optimal damage
untold vortex
the weak is a bonus if you're doing something with it, like heart rend
livid comet
it's like getting a free priv. status all the time
hushed ledge
Guide to if a god is generically good:
Look at the first letter of their name. If it's A, they're good.
(Ares is a bit less generically nuts but it's still pretty valid)
livid comet
that too
main osprey
Lmao
hushed ledge
Sweet surrender was soooo busted on initial release it was hilarious
Hit like 104% multiplicative or something at rare?
livid comet
yeah, all my builds are triple-A builds
twilit pond
Which of the heat modifiers is considered the easierst?
main osprey
DC unless you're using the bow
livid comet
lasting consequences
main osprey
Or something slow
hushed ledge
EM1 isn't the easiest but it might be the most fun tbh
main osprey
Hard Labor is reasonable
livid comet
the healing nerf is easiest imo
main osprey
Tight Deadline if you already play fast
livid comet
tight deadline plus healing nerf= easy 7 heat
twilit pond
What happens if you are not fast enough?
bright flint
also tight deadline now add up when you reach the next stage so even easier now
you start losing health
hushed ledge
I might be able to use TD1 now which is great
hushed ledge
Wait so is TD3 like 5m or something?
untold vortex
yes, 5 minutes per region
it gets exponentially harder the higher heat you go (TD3 that is)
hushed ledge
Gross
stray holly
How do Erebus and Chaos affect chamber count?
Would going through either instead of a regular chamber bring me closer to the end of the region?
unkempt pagoda
it's odd how now td1&2 are extremely easy and then td3 is suddenly extremely tight
unkempt pagoda
erebus and chaos take up a chamber in all cases except when you take one in front of a pre-boss room, then it will always spit you out in the pre-boss room
hushed ledge
At least I can do TD1 reasonably now lol
stray holly
oh so they're only viable when you get bad next room choices?
hushed ledge
Chaos is also just good generally
unkempt pagoda
they can be viable depending on the situation
there's no blanket "yes always viable no never viable" statement
stray holly
Chaos yeah, but Erebus seems like just another room option, albeit harder
unkempt pagoda
have to weigh your choices in the moment
livid comet
yup
unkempt pagoda
erebus is double or nothing
untold vortex
it's a good habit to get into for TD in general
hushed ledge
I probably still can't push up to TD2 even with the nerfs, but I can grab TD1 now which is cool
livid comet
wait really 6kj?
hushed ledge
I could never do TD1 pre-1.0, and my average run is like 32 minutes
I'm very campy and safe
stray holly
When do I get to "burrow" obols again after the first time?
Is it random?
spark lotus
Seems to be random
wheat wadi
Do you always fight him after stealing it? If you beat him does he disappear from the rest of the run or change in any way?
untold vortex
||you get a loyalty card which gives 20% discount at all remaining charon shops and wells? (not quite sure) if you beat him||
yes
stray holly
ye
wheat wadi
Rad, thanks. I max out his friendship hoping for a discount and all I got was a grunted thanks lol
untold vortex
there's no gameplay benefit for maxing out bonds
wheat wadi
Dang
stray holly
Some bonds net you rewards though
livid comet
@untold vortex yup. I've beaten him twice.
He most often lets you do it in Elysium it looks like
although if you just take every ||Shop|| that you find, you can fight him plenty of times I'm sure
wheat wadi
Any idea if he scales at all for the different levels
hidden pike
@untold vortex || yeah it does affect wells too ||
untold vortex
ty ^_^
||nope, so if you take him on in Tartarus, it's gonna be a real tough fight|| @wheat wadi
latent moss
someone has any tips on boon combos for ||Excalibur||?
tidal hawk
@latent moss I love that Aspect, I gotchu
||Artemis works well with excalibur, crits make it do immense damage|| @latent moss
Weakness when you special is also pretty good with it
tidal hawk
The aura doesnt inflict weak
but the initial hit does
so you take like
no damge
when standing in it
latent moss
nah it buffs your defense, but the aura + weakness effect must be good
latent moss
oh true, its worth the increased damage in the back?
tidal hawk
acorn is probably better though
Yeah
I sometimes run it on fists
works good
works with any melee
tbh
latent moss
thanks for the tips ^^
tidal hawk
np
main osprey
@hollow herald any luck recovering your run?
hollow herald
No dice
onyx parcel
Can I deflect a melee damage
Like, deal the damage back to them
Or is it projectile only
hollow herald
Not that beaten up over it, already cleared a few times
livid comet
you can deflect but no damage will be dealt
dry ember
from my experience there is a range limit to the deflect damage
livid comet
they're probably misreading the dash damage as deflect damage?
main osprey
@hollow herald what didn't work?
dry ember
not really. you can try this pretty safely on the louts or the thugs
just deflect their melee attacks and they will take some damage, definitely > 20
main osprey
@dusk moss (from #hades-feedback ) Not a bug, and feedback isn't the place for bugs anyway xD
You can report bugs in-game with 
In this case, that's the spear functioning as intended, though people have posted some feedback disagreeing with it
dusk moss
untold vortex
yes
cosmic stag
People are fine with me posting screenshots of the end-of-run screen?
main osprey
in #h1-victory-boasting ?
cosmic stag
Yeah, that's probably the better place lol
untold vortex
yeah victory screenshots go into #h1-victory-boasting
more than welcome to talk about the build here though if you want ^_^
dry ember
can we talk about full poseidon fists and how that build is annoying to play?
untold vortex
sure
thick raptor
I made the pro move of taking Poseidon special on my Achilles spear run
I did wind up selling it off at one point, still didn't finish because I'm bad at the spear
cosmic stag
My build was 90% Blade Rifts. My Blade Rifts are bigger, pull foes in, grow in power as they deal damage, and home in on the nearest enemy.
thick raptor
I hope to try one of those. I hated the blades for a long time and only recently started warming up to them
empty veldt
Anyone know how to make guan yu usable at level 1? (Other than the obvious get good)
hearty elbow
nope
white swan
I run the health keepsake and pray for spin speed hammer
I think demeter bonuses increase how much healing you get
empty veldt
Welp time to get more blood
Also, is it just me or is Arthur’s combo weird sometimes? Especially with dash attacks. Sometimes dash attacks continue the combo and sometimes it doesnt. Or is there a mechanic i’m not getting
hidden pike
Boy, Redacted is going to take so much damage
https://imgur.com/a/iDVRIYs
empty lintel
Hey does anyone here have a save file where they just completed the "Family Secret" achievement on steam?
My file corrupted and im trying to look for a replacement, if so @ me
covert hatch
Okay how would Charged Shot interact with Beowulf aspect
turbid needle
You fire something crossed between Legend of Dragoon and Dragon Ball Z.
charred ruin
does revenous will (more dmg and defense while you have no casts) work for when you bullrush with beowulf?
stark ore
What’s the best way to deal with Redacted’s green urn attack? That one seems to confuse me a ton so I lose some health to it. Running Spear with Achilles btw
charred ruin
what's a green urn attack?
turbid needle
If you throw the spear and then recall it with Attack, you can safely detonate urns at range.
stark ore
Alright, thanks. I’ll try that out next run.
charred ruin
you can attack them then cancel into a dash to escape the explosion
half crater
i generally don’t find it’s worth attacking them; with careful positioning they aren’t too much of a problem, and hades will inevitably clear them up with his giant spin attack fairly quickly
hushed ledge
I generally attack some of them behind cover
hidden pike
this is good advice, it sucks massively to hide behind cover only for one or more explode into your cover
abstract island
is there a consensus on which companion is best for damage?
crisp iris
Any tips on dealing with heat upgraded Hydra without taking dmg?
I always seem to lose a good chunk of hp whenever it goes into 2nd phase
charred ruin
what's a good setup for speedrunning? I just wanna get to thanatos to advance the hypnos plot
lunar salmon
God damn it EM4
empty veldt
whats DS @crisp iris
main osprey
Deadly Strike?
empty veldt
ah ok
thick raptor
For hydra, some kind of deflection is always good. I've found dropping Demeter or Poseidon calls, Dyonisis or Zeus cast works well. A spear that bounces between enemies helps.
Basically anything that can bounce or hit an area while you dodge if you dont have a quick dashing weapon.
empty veldt
How does crit chance stack with existing crt
cunning urchin
Crit chance is additive.
median oar
what about dodge?
dry ember
allegedly multiplicative
untold vortex
effectively multiplicative
dry ember
multiplicatively multiplicative
main osprey
exponentially divisive
empty veldt
Which one is Artemis' Hunter's flare? i can't find it in gamepedia yet its a requirement in certain things
Is it under a different name?
toxic yacht
What's the best dash and why is it athena
main osprey
@empty veldt it's only available with the 4th shield aspect
empty veldt
ah ok
median oar
if I don't like sword, will I like 4th aspect sword
main osprey
it's || slower, but hits harder || @median oar
empty veldt
If i'm going Aspect of Zagreus bow, and I wanna use Heartbreak strike, whats the best boon to get with Artemis in order to potentially get Heartrend duoboon
main osprey
and the special || gives a damage reduction field you can stand in ||
pseudo stream
how does one avoid ||cerberus in phase 2 of EM Hades? that fight actually killed me, I had his third phase at 30% but had taken too much attrition damage||
drifting vale
bottom right corner or top left corner
could also dodge the direction it comes from and should be fine
@pseudo stream
pseudo stream
ah okay, it was slightly panic inducing haha
noble sand
hi can someone tell me what the point is of tagging items/boons at the end of the game when you see all your stats? thanks in advance
also sorry if wrong channel
tough goblet
Question, is an Epic Rare Crop boon good to take
I've never taken it before
I'm in Tartarus
tough goblet
does it increase the stats when it upgrades?
untold vortex
yes
tough goblet
oh ok
damn
i am using ||excalibur|| with the artemis attack boon 
so this will be interesting
oop edited
hushed ledge
I just realised I have no idea how to evaluate a bunch of GY hammers.
It's room 1, I have Aphro keepsake, and I'm on GY.
The hammer options are:
Winged Serpent
Triple Jab
Massive Spin
And I have straight up no clue which one I want lol
rare kayak
serpent sucks tbh
hushed ledge
Ye I'm learning towards spin
final scaffold
are hades spear and eris rail good at base level blood investment?
untold vortex
do you enjoy spear and rail as a weapon, if so yes
abstract island
spin is really good but triple jab (that's the dash one, right?) can give you crazy damage output
final scaffold
so any bonus damage to attack also applies to dash attacks?
main osprey
yup, other than hammers
final scaffold
so dash attack can crit with nemesis
toxic yacht
Nemesis is pretty cool
I got double hit on dash and double hit special on the hammers
Needless to say that was my fastest run to date
dry ember
Nice! It's the go to weapon for speedrunners also
wanton cargo
what constitutes a pom run
toxic yacht
I tried a poseidon run but didn't get anything good to synergize with it so that was a wash
wanton cargo
i see 
vague ledge
I did a zeus run and I got really good boons, so it was shocking
final scaffold
trying to do a nemesis run
even at base level, it is way faster than anything I could do with base shield or hera bow
it's actually a very good defensive weapon
enemies can't deal damage if they die fast
vague ledge
I used nemesis until i discovered the Achilles spear and then I fell in love
final scaffold
now if only I can find the dio boon on attack
I got an attack speed boon from hermes, so hangover will be very good right now
that or chill
final scaffold
how does that one work with hera bow btw?
hard kelp
can someone explain to me whats good about gian yu aspect?
lunar salmon
Okay EM4 is just dirty
void fjord
check pinned msgs in #h1-story-discussion
boreal summit
the heal is only on the special right?
stark ore
What are the best boons for Redacted? Currently taking Slicing Shot for casts, Divine Dash for dashes, and usually something from Aphro or Artemis, but still can’t seem to find success.
stark ore
Oh yeah, forgot to mention I’m running spear with Achilles
boreal summit
its just a fight you have to be patient with
the attack patterns are easy to learn
hushed ledge
Heal on GY is only on the attack
But you use the special as much as you use the attack on most weapons and vice versa
boreal summit
oh its on the charge attack
thats right
which is why I dont like it personally
flurry slash + cursed slash on sword is a much better alternative imo
stable grotto
I REALLY need help dodging Act 4 boss' slash attack it seems to always hit me. I don't know when he does the dash or not and when he gets in my face thats it, i cant move out of the wy in time
people say use the dash i frames and ill do it but the attack is so meaty it just follows me and i still get hit
I can ONLY beat him with the shield
boreal summit
the spin?
stable grotto
Spin attack
boreal summit
he will always spin after dashing
tawdry holly
about 2 secs after the spin up time
stable grotto
and there there are moments where he uses his lazer that mess with me. I hide behind on small area and its next to hands and a skull. If i move i eat damage, if i stay i eat damage
tawdry holly
his dash spin has a smaller aoe
and there there are moments where he uses his lazer that mess with me. I hide behind on small area and its next to hands and a skull. If i move i eat damage, if i stay i eat damage
@stable grotto all the rocks in the center can protect you from that
stable grotto
Its the dash while spinning....ill see the circle walk out then he dash spins and i get hit
tawdry holly
double dodge away or time for a last min dodge
stable grotto
@tawdry holly THe rocks protect me from the lazer but the hands/shockwaves still hit me
tawdry holly
@tawdry holly THe rocks protect me from the lazer but the hands/shockwaves still hit me
@stable grotto oh. you need to clear the skulls asap
stable grotto
double dodge = get hit cause of the radius, last min dodge get hit cause im in the dash after iframes
tawdry holly
the skulls is causing the shockwaves
stable grotto
and the vase?
tawdry holly
the vase has a high dmg aoe
stable grotto
cause its Laser rock me, vase nearby?
so its gonna pop while i hide
and if i go out i eat lazer
boreal summit
the vase only explodes if it gets hit
turbid halo
The laser also has a safe spot right up against the boss but that's risky unless you're already there
tawdry holly
you can attack the vase from a far when it appears.
boreal summit
which it will if you dont clear skulls
final scaffold
what's the timing like for dashing if you want to use the iframe to avoid the spin slash while being inside it?
stable grotto
and the moments he does skulls and lazers right away?
stable grotto
0
tawdry holly
then it wont happen
stable grotto
i felt it did
tawdry holly
skulls first. give you time to react, then lasers
stable grotto
or at least i didnt have enough time to burst the skulls down
cause he'll skull and i stay away cause he's in the vicinity
like if i go for skulls i get sweep attack
final scaffold
skull is not a problem if it's just 1
tawdry holly
on your next run, prioritise the skulls if you have issues witht he shockwave
final scaffold
you can just dash through the wave
stable grotto
i did the run before and ate sweep attack
@final scaffold The issue is the skull wave hits me while im hiding from lazers
tawdry holly
you can just dash through the wave
@final scaffold i think he have issues with multiple shockwaves
stable grotto
and dashing out makes me hit a vase
last run i focused on skulls and i ate spin attacks he'd do right after a dash where they telegraphed after i hit the button so i eat them. This run i focused on baiting the spin and then i got hit by those checkmate situations
tawdry holly
hahaha
glass ether
I try to go behind him during the spin telegraph
tawdry holly
then i would advise you to prioritise on the move. if there is one skull, you can ignore it
glass ether
Behind him far away if possible
boreal summit
it may feel impossible but youll get the hang of it
tawdry holly
if you still having problems, watch youtube videos of the fight, and you can get through it
sooner or later, you will realise that he isnt hard at all, even at high heat
stable grotto
what does getting behind him do during the spin? Wouldn't you still get hit?
low grove
Is it just me or are shields not that good to use
final scaffold
I got my first clear today with shield, so I can't say the same
glass ether
I don't exactly know, but i and feel like it have a dead zone behind him. Also he moves forward during the spin, and you can go the opposite direction
tawdry holly
shield poseidon is not bnad
glass ether
I might be wrong, I'm not too good with him either
turbid halo
I've only run chaos shield so grain of salt, but I like taking a damage boon on special and looking for explosive return. It's good damage
tawdry holly
also the shield can block all damage
final scaffold
I've seen videos of people staying inside the spin slash without taking damage
I wonder what the timing for that dash is like
tawdry holly
just press and hold attack
low grove
I guess it's just the moveset doesn't feel smooth to me then
tawdry holly
I guess it's just the moveset doesn't feel smooth to me then
@low grove yeah it isnt. bit sluggish isnt it
rugged oyster
like how you get warned when a pact of punsihment is limiting healing, you should be warned when talking to sysiphus after taking a 'not able to earn obol' chaos boon. i'd make a post in feedback but it wont allow me to
turbid halo
I've gotten down the chaos shield loop of bull rush -> throw -> repeat
tawdry holly
I've gotten down the chaos shield loop of bull rush -> throw -> repeat
@turbid halo yeah fun build
final scaffold
I got charged shot and sudden rush for shield
so it became a faster bow while blocking almost everything
turbid halo
I haven't used charged shot much/at all, I should give it a try
My problem is that I'm planning my movement around using the rush to move through enemies
stable grotto
What can you use darkness for when you max out everything in the mirror?
turbid halo
I'll probably do something dumb like forget and then shoot asterius while he's spinning
stable ore
hey what boons go great with nemesis on a 32 heat run?
boreal summit
prob ask in #h1-high-heat-strategies
stable ore
oh thanks
hushed ledge
I really need to stop taking so much damage to FB tbh, he's killing way too many of my runs
turbid halo
I'm realizing that the only two weapon aspects I can actually claim to understand are chaos shield and poseidon sword. Everything else and I'm just ???
I can win runs on them but I don't feel like I'm using their strengths properly
Well maybe eris gun. I press special a lot, that's probably right
low grove
I'm the exact opposite lol, I can clear with shield but I mostly just cheese with the block since I somehow always have no damage using it
turbid halo
My strategy is to take chaos shield, and take a damage boon (almost always forcing aphrodite) on the special
final scaffold
ares can give shield some actual damage
turbid halo
Which seems weird since the special does low damage, but I'm also looking for explosive return
And also if you shotgun the shield throw it does plenty of damage
Explosive return's 50 base damage is modified by your special damage bonuses so you can easily get 90+ damage in a deceptively big area around you
You do big chunks of damage if you dash at an enemy, shotgun the shields into them, and hit with explosive return. Also destroys cramped encounters like barge of death
You don't need to force aphrodite, it's just what I do
While I'm here, how do people play guan yu? I've gotten the triple dash attack run but that's a hammer effect available for regular spear too - what actually makes people like guan yu so much?
ashen ginkgo
I've found decent success with the guan yu by focusing on attack damage % buffs like aphrodite, and getting spin attack upgrades from the hammer, just dash around and use spin attack constantly for huge damage and AOE, and you heal constantly while doing so, so you have leeway to take some stray hits
turbid halo
My problem with doing the spin is that if I start taking damage it's usually in spots where I don't have a chance to safely charge spin
Also I've heard that people use the special a lot?
ashen ginkgo
taking double dash on the mirror helps a lot too
turbid halo
I don't even know what the other option is lol
ashen ginkgo
it's ruthless reflex, it gives you a damage/dodge buff for a couple seconds after perfect dodging an attack with your dash
low grove
Guan Yu with Charged Skewer and Artemis does bonkers damage too
median oar
does rama change bow significantly? I find I don't like it too much at base but I see a lot of people use it
verbal silo
So I've recently started experimenting with the Shield-Posiedon combo with the area dash and really like it. Which other god's boons pair best with Poseidon?
ashen ginkgo
I haven't personally used rama much, but i've seen some people focus heavily on special as their main source of dps
median oar
nevermind I'm just going to dive in with 15 bloods and regret it later
half crater
rama is my favourite bow aspect
you can do a special build (usually based around drunken/thunder flourish) for sure, but attack builds absolutely also work
final scaffold
rama bow is concentrated special shot that bounces + wave attack?
half crater
basically yeah
the bouncing special applies a debuff where when you hit with your attack every creature with the debuff takes a portion of the attack’s hit
any tips on lucifer rail builds?
@keen carbon i dunno about lucifer specific stuff, but lightning strike still works
keen carbon
seems like zeus is good for every build haha
half crater
not really
but he is very good for some
he’s basically useless on arthur, for example
and has anti synergy with chiron
final scaffold
hades blood grind is kinda insane though
if you consider that every run is 40 minutes and ignore failed runs
6 weapon runs for each heat, and 20 heat levels
that's 80 hours
and that's still not enough blood for everything
I want to test out all the weapons, but with this kind of progression...
half crater
this may not be encouraging, but i’ve been playing for 260 hours and haven’t maxed out all the aspects
i’m going much slower than average tho
final scaffold
I mean yeah
untold vortex
that's also completely ignoring broker, styx shops and the minor prophecies
half crater
i play on higher heat than i should, so i lose a lot
final scaffold
I was considering the best scenario where every run is successful
half crater
wait how is doing every weapon at heat 1-20 not enough blood for everything
that’s like
240 blood
*246 because heat 0
final scaffold
total blood requirement for every weapon aspect at max level is 306
untold vortex
5 x 6 (zag aspects) + 15 x 12 (2nd and 4th aspects) + 16 x 6 (3rd aspects)
half crater
huh
i’m gonna end up with excess tho, and i didn’t think i’d bought that much elsewhere
untold vortex
252 blood including heat 0
half crater
246 is with heat 0
half crater
oh lol yeah ofc
isn’t it 15 to max a 4th aspect? 3 to unlock, then 3 per level?
edit: nvm i didn’t read your comment properly
final scaffold
I'll probably have to turn on god mode at some point for the blood grind
median oar
yeah this bow 4th aspect is basically a different weapon
final scaffold
just so I can just rush in and kill things instead of worrying about dodging
turbid halo
Rama is fun, though the draw on the attack is super slow
median oar
that is the only thing that bothers me about it
half crater
yeah you mostly gotta ignore the power shot
it’s like a unicorn
cool to think about, but prolly best not to pretend you can have one
turbid halo
It does a ton of damage even when you just draw it a little bit
turbid halo
Someone mentioned attack builds work, though I've just been putting zeus or dio on special and then flailing around
half crater
that’s a perfectly valid strategy tbh
turbid halo
Dio damage has felt underwhelming, probably will go with zeus or ares next time I try
Maybe I'll finally blunder into hunting blades
half crater
hunting blades is good fun
limpid wyvern
The last run I did had two stacks of ||damage control||, with the ||trap buff|| and ||middle management||...I died after getting ||Hades to 50% on phase two|| and learned that I don’t like Ares’s attack modifiers
half crater
use fated persuasion
limpid wyvern
@main osprey
limpid wyvern
I haven’t had a problem yet
turbid halo
I use it and still no dice lol
median oar
the fact that the rama wave locks on targeting instead of just going full through is a really weird behaviour
is that a setting I can change
turbid halo
Speaking of mirror- more rare chance, or more gold laurels?
limpid wyvern
I use shield and usually get Zeus’s special modifier or the hammer melee that makes me do two attacks instead of one
half crater
DC2 is a bit tricky, especially in Tartarus and Styx
this is pretty weapon dependant
bow? absolutely
rail it’s basically free
half crater
rats are the exception lol
limpid wyvern
Lol I haven’t used a weapon that’s not shield since I dumped everything into Zag aspect
half crater
but with zeus rail you still barely notice them
i actually haven’t touched zag shield in probably about 6 months
limpid wyvern
I probably should use a different weapon, but I don’t have the titan blood to upgrade/unlock any aspects
half crater
it any good?
limpid wyvern
I think so
I didn’t notice the difference, but I’m not good at that kind of thing lol
turbid halo
I play a lot of shield but its all chaos aspect
limpid wyvern
I’m currently trying to get the Chaos shield up to max
turbid halo
Shotgunning is strong
limpid wyvern
Because I heard that’s the best one
half crater
chaos is good
the best one is a bit more up for debate post nerf, but it’s still a strong contender imo
limpid wyvern
What’s one good aspect to buff on each weapon?
Just so I know what to get when I decide to use a different weapon
main osprey
Nemesis, Hades, Chaos, Chiron, Talos (imo), L----
Not universal opinion, just my thoughts
half crater
i’d say the same
limpid wyvern
L——?
half crater
maybe demeter for fists, maybe ||rama|| for bow
main osprey
4th aspect
limpid wyvern
Don’t have it or know how to get it yet
main osprey
Yup
stable grotto
side note i have my reaction when i first won where's a good channel to clip it
main osprey
half crater
although these days for spear i’ve mostly been playing zag
limpid wyvern
What does Hades do?
stable grotto
Thx
so one thing im getting hit a lot of are "mid tracking attacks" attacks where the act 3 and 4 bosses lunge/time juuust right and through bad timing they start mid dash so i have no means of escaping. Usually the initial dash is me doding another attack or repositioning
main osprey
What does Hades do?
@limpid wyvern || spin attack marks enemies for bonus damage from basic attack and special ||
stable grotto
you know those hits im talking about?
untold vortex
What does Hades do?
fills out a metric tonne of paper work and judges shades, unless you're referring to the aspect
limpid wyvern
All the weapons are fun to play...but the ||spinning Hades laser of death|| scares me lol, so I stick to shield
half crater
you can ||hide behind the pillars|| and it isn’t too bad
half crater
they do about ||150 damage with heightened security running, iirc||
which can potentially be ||an insta kill||
limpid wyvern
...
Huh
...guess that explains how I died in that last run lol
Not doing that again
half crater
i’ve lost many a run that way lol
limpid wyvern
On the plus side it buffed god mode a bit (I don’t care what anyone else thinks, I’m gonna use it since there are no downsides to it being on) and gave me more dialogue in the house
half crater
if anyone looks down on you for using god mode, they are wrong
it’s a valid way to experience the game
if it wasn’t, the devs wouldn’t have put it in
broken karma
I swear I rolled Artemis and zeus's duo four or five times last run
limpid wyvern
I see it in the same way I see Peace and Tranquillity from a Hat in Time
Something that makes the game less stressful, which makes it more fun for me
main osprey
As someone who's learning how to make games, can confirm I am graded on how fun it is
:3
limpid wyvern
I really love the characters
It’s so much fun to see how Hypnos reacts to my deaths (the past 4 or so have been ||Natural Causes||, with Redacted to bookend them lol)
half crater
Hypnos always gives great advice, as well
once he told me not to step in traps
he was right
i still step on traps sometimes tho 😛
limpid wyvern
Hades has a mix of caring for not Zag and viewing ||their fights more like private meetings||
You always pet Cerberus because he is a good boy, and then see who else is in the house before starting the next run
limpid wyvern
^
It’s also cool how sometimes people aren’t there or they are talking to each other, it really helps get you invested and thinking that the house is full of actual people instead of just dialogue to Zag
half crater
yeah
it’s crazy to me that i literally love all the characters in this game
usually i have at least one or two that i don’t care about
but in Hades they’re just all amazing idk
limpid wyvern
Hermes is my least favorite but that’s more of he always seems to bypass my keepsake, however I love his personality
half crater
haha yeah he does seem to do that weirdly often
limpid wyvern
It feels like a 70% chance that Zeus is gonna be delayed in Asphodel or Athena in Tartarus by Hermes lol (that’s my usual keepsake gameplan)
main osprey
@vital shadow Ares is good on special, or Dio
vital shadow
Okay thanks
tardy dragon
Does swift flourish even affect rail special?
vital shadow
Ares inflicts Doom damage right?
tardy dragon
I dont notice a difference
limpid wyvern
Ares is doom
vital shadow
Okay thanks!
leaden prism
How good is Rama?
vital shadow
Oh, Is Rama a greek god? Haven't heard that in Greek mythology before btw
untold vortex
all 4th aspects are from outside greek mythos
tawdry holly
Oh, Is Rama a greek god? Haven't heard that in Greek mythology before btw
@vital shadow i think its an indian god
i mean hindu god
median oar
I got the +4 arrows on special on my rama and it seems to be glitched and reduced the base damage to nothing or something or was it always just stupidly low
vital shadow
@tawdry holly oh wow, okay! thanks!
ornate remnant
cant decide to do true shot or trippy for hera bow
main osprey
Probably trippy shot
hardy dragon
started a heat 8 run chaos shield and just got thunder flourish and the one that makes thunder effects jolted
which duo boon should I go for?
vengeful mood?
maybe cold fusion
tardy dragon
Should i sell my ambriosa for titan blood
hardy dragon
no
NO
itll be a long time till you need it but you will need a LOT
maybe once or twice
at most
hardy dragon
even then id strongly advise against it
livid comet
Uhh
I'd do it to start out
blood early really helps get your weapons decent enough for high heats
ambrosia is mostly for affinity and some keepsakes
next moss
blood, not ambrosia
you can gift ambrosia to theseus and he will talk less during the battles too
true story
hardy dragon
ye
livid comet
Most greek heroes are kinda
next moss
what i find with hangover is that
livid comet
also Dio is a chad
next moss
the scaling keeps being good at higher levels
ornate remnant
is doom usable on high heats
next moss
like
going from aphrodite lv4 to 5
is usually nothing
going from dio lv8 to 9 is still good
lunar stump
Theseus is a bit of an a-hole i myths, he literally kidnapped a god's daughter and locked her up until she was old enought to marry him
hardy dragon
btw i need advice on a duo boon to go for with chaos shield on heat 8
currently have zeus special and jolted
next moss
demeter?
hardy dragon
zeus special works well with chaos shield
cold fusion seems good
this is the highest heat ive done so far
lunar stump
demeter or aphro for primary attack are always good choices, but i dont know their duos with zeus
lunar stump
that's pretty nice :O
next moss
aphro zeus...uuh i dunno
lunar stump
yeah
hardy dragon
YAY!
lunar stump
the regen is like 1% every 0.2sec right?
@next moss exactly
brittle wind
60 run and no shady yet lol
hardy dragon
believe me i feel the pain
next moss
i dunno what shady is and i dont wanna know tbh
hardy dragon
Hunter this is my 102 run
next moss
leaving channel, u guys can spoil
brittle wind
After i finally got the stupid contract and bought it
Now i never find the encounter
hardy dragon
102 runs and finally I got shady
brittle wind
Lol
lunar stump
could you remind me what's shady?
brittle wind
How good is Athena
@topaz prawn best dash and call
hardy dragon
a companion
glass ether
Her attack is quite good imo
hardy dragon
you wont get it until much later
hopefully not as long as me
bc 102 runs is absolutely ridiculous
brittle wind
Imagine 1 run for half an hour
velvet yoke
what's the easiest weapon to win with ? im on run 28 and i keep getting to the end then dying
brittle wind
Lol
hardy dragon
btw I am going for cold fusion
brittle wind
Probably adamant rail for first timer
hardy dragon
yea @brittle wind thats about how long it takes for me usually between 25-30 minutes
glass ether
what's the easiest weapon to win with ? im on run 28 and i keep getting to the end then dying
@velvet yoke spear for me. You have the range and the damage of the melee weapon
I don't get adamant, but I haven't tried it too much yet
hardy dragon
i had an awful time with spear
glass ether
Oh well
velvet yoke
i also wanna try a round with shield
next moss
russ, it took me around 30 attempts to win
then i started a 5 game winstreak
it will click
lunar stump
@velvet yoke try Chiron bow with Dio's special for example
hardy dragon
use adamant rail with dionysius attack and aphrodite special
thats how i got my first win iirc\
brittle wind
Zeus attack doom special works too
velvet yoke
i get quite close with rail but the final boss moves around too much
brittle wind
You should move around much too lol