h1-builds-and-combat

[void fjord]

lol

[calm glen]

I wish that the hammer boon for the rail that turns it into a shotgun made it feel like the musket from bastion; but it’s range and spread are too small

I love using the musket, it’s so satisfying to just delete a swarm of mobs

[bronze sorrel]

Anyhow, anybody have some interesting hera builds? I'm kinda bored of using Festive Fog, Passion Flare, etc

[serene isle]

But hey let's see. I feel that something that will always be relevant is talking weapon movesets. People tend to fixate on boons and stuff without even knowing all the cool stuff the weapons do on their own

Stuff like nova carries, or even the double dash strike.

Etc.

[bronze sorrel]

Crush Shot I mean* not passion flare.

[tacit dirge]

i derped and thought HAs meant Hidden Abilities for some reason

sighs in Pokemon

[thorn jolt]

guys I can't deal with ||Guan Yu|| (weapon spoiler)

[hard kelp]

so, im probably not too far in the game, ive only made it past 3rd boss once. i spent all my blood so far on zeus shield. ive been doing doom or drunk builds. am i wasting my time on this build, or does it sound ok?

[thorn jolt]

can I get some tips

[small stirrup]

You're in #h1-builds-and-combat its chill @thorn jolt

[void fjord]

@bronze sorrel poseidon is good i think

its pog with demeter duo

[small stirrup]

But as for tips in GY, Try getting Athena or Artemis on attack if you get a spin build and Aphro on special

[void fjord]

or ares special

[small stirrup]

Hammers would be quick spin and Massive Spin/Charged skewer

[dry ember]

Or don't use GY

[void fjord]

just proc with special and atttack

[thorn jolt]

Yeah I know, I already am not liking it's playstyle, but all the other "heavies" were really fun in their own way

[void fjord]

or just get triple dash strike

and get arty dash

and then kill everything with a spam of dash and attack

[thorn jolt]

yeah I'm struggling to stay alive with it

the spin is really clunky to me

[void fjord]

it takess some time getting used

to

[thorn jolt]

it didn't help getting that I got bad hammers, none of the ones you mentioned were offered

I probably should've anviled at the end

[void fjord]

ye

bad hammers will always ruin u

[thorn jolt]

yeah... the hammers for Rama usually gimp it, even though it was buffed

[void fjord]

imortant thing, dont waste a hammer on the longer spin charge thing thats only for GY

ye

i get explosive shot and thats it

[rare kayak]

or just run hades aspect

big spin

it got a visual upgrade too

[spice plover]

distant memory says deal 30% more damage to distant foes. what classifies distant? Does my damage with the rail gun classify distant??

[void fjord]

i think its like on the ver edge of ur attack

but u i have no clue

[dry ember]

If consistency is anything to go by, I think the range should be about the tip of bow range (see sniper shot).

So rail might reach that if just barely.

[spice plover]

ahh makes sense, thank you

[shut moth]

odd question

[small stirrup]

Shoot

[shut moth]

i know that taking mirage shot and giving up flood shot lets you duplicate any cast

but what if i take blizzard shot and give up flood shot

can i have blade rifts that shoot ice

[dry ember]

[shut moth]

and then get the demeter/ares duo?

[dry ember]

My guess is no.

[shut moth]

but you don't KNOW

im gonna try it

[dry ember]

True

I won't bet my cigar on it though

[shut moth]

well, im gonna try to try it

[untold vortex]

No, because demeter/ares pre-req has slicing shot

[shut moth]

i'd give up flood shot and get slicing shot

[dry ember]

He means he sells flood shot

[shut moth]

exactly

[dry ember]

Actually galaxy brain situation

[untold vortex]

What is the specific wording on blizzard shot

[shut moth]

just like you do with Mirage shot

it says cast

[void fjord]

holy damn

[dry ember]

You don't need flood shot to get mirage shot though

[void fjord]

this is actually 300iq moments

[shut moth]

it says your cast moves slower, pierces enemies, and shoots ice shards

[untold vortex]

In theory in would work but in practice I doubt it

[small stirrup]

Oh shades

[dry ember]

If SGG actually codes this correctly, I'll buy a poster from their store.

[small stirrup]

Can you do that?

[shut moth]

well let's see

[daring bloom]

Hey everyone. Found an interesting exploit today (needs verification). During final fight with Hades, on the second part those lasers of his won`t hit you if you are close enough. I happen to be inside his visible fire circle and no strike ended up in my Aegis risen at the moment

[shut moth]

ill get back after i try it

[untold vortex]

Only one way to find out

[dry ember]

I doubt they coded it that way though

[shut moth]

if i pull it off

[dry ember]

Dew it

For science

[small stirrup]

@daring bloom You got a screenshot?

[daring bloom]

Nope

[untold vortex]

That's known and pretty awesome @daring bloom

[dry ember]

Yee

Speedrunners have been abusing it for a while

SGG is aware

They left it in

[daring bloom]

@untold vortex it is. But what is REALLY awesome is Aegis)

[fallen geyser]

What's a good shield build to maximize it's special?

[drifting vale]

I know im late but i can confirm that Blizzard Shot does not work if you trade off Flood Shot i would imagine selling it would also result in the same issue

[void fjord]

chaos @fallen geyser

[dry ember]

Zeus works, so does Charged Flights 4th aspect (even post nerf)

[fallen geyser]

I don't have any aspects on it yet, going for first clear on the shield

[dry ember]

Then erm just Charged Flight (Hammer) and Deadly Strike then.

[fallen geyser]

How do chaos builds work? Just hope for them popping up in stores so you can access chaos?

[dry ember]

Chaos here refers to Chaos Shield (Aspect), just so we are clear :D

[fallen geyser]

Dash strike on shield is dash + attack right? Are fists the only ones where dash strike is dash + special?

[dry ember]

Yeah

[fallen geyser]

Ohh okay, I thought it was a build centered around chaos in game lol. That seemed tough

[dry ember]

Dash strike for fist means both dash attack and dash upper.

[fallen geyser]

Oh TIL, I thought it was just the special. I was basing it off the tool tips with skelly

So for the base shield it's mainly hammer is important

[dry ember]

You can say that yeah.

[fallen geyser]

Could Doom on special and Athena dash to activate doom supplement it?

[dry ember]

It's a bit clunky on base shield.

Back then you could do Doom on attack (for Bull Rush) and Athena on Dash

But that build got nerfed and no longer works so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallen geyser]

is chaos shield the 4th aspect that is ???? for me?

[dry ember]

Nah

[fallen geyser]

oh wow im blind

clearly Aspect of Chaos

[dry ember]

The ??? are all non Greek Pantheon

[ebon tinsel]

howd it get nerfed?

[dry ember]

They are drawn from various other myths/religions

[fallen geyser]

i love the shield toss so screw it spent my 3 titan blood on lvl 2 chaos shield

so when you said zeus works and charge flights, was that for chaos?

or what other chaos shield boons should i try to target

[dry ember]

The easiest way to activate Merciful End is via Divine Dash. Back then Doom + Divine Dash satisfied Merciful End requirements. Now Divine Dash no longer satisfies Merc End, even though it still triggers Doom.

The nerf was very targeted lol

[ebon tinsel]

ohhh i see so they just disabled athena dash from procing ME?

[dry ember]

No,

[untold vortex]

Fists pre 1.0 merciful end would melt everything

[dry ember]

Divine Dash still proc Doom

But you can't get Merciful End with Divine Dash to begin with.

@fallen geyser Zeus refers to Zeus shield. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[fallen geyser]

ahh okay

[jade rover]

Thanks @bronze sorrel for the advice regarding the Rail.

[fallen geyser]

ty

so any recommendations on a chaos shield build?

[ebon tinsel]

ohhhhhhhhhh, so divine dash doesn't allow you to get ME at all?

[dry ember]

Yeah. Actually you can build Merciful End on Zeus Shield, which is the speedrun strat. A bit "skill intensive" though

[ebon tinsel]

how would you do that?

[dry ember]

Doom on Special, Athena Attack, Merciful End

[fallen geyser]

I thought it was just Divine Strike/Divine Flourish could proc ME? https://i.imgur.com/m4Zkr6k.png

[untold vortex]

Nope those are just the pre-reqs

[dry ember]

Divine Dash also proc ME

[fallen geyser]

ahh i see

[dry ember]

But with Divine Dash and a Doom, you can't get ME

[fallen geyser]

i see

[dry ember]

Hence the nerf was very targeted

[fallen geyser]

so you can still use it but need to have another athena boon to get it

[dry ember]

Exactly

[shut moth]

sadness

[fallen geyser]

so its not as worth having on the chaos shield then?

[shut moth]

it doesn't work

[fallen geyser]

what are some good alternatives?

[shut moth]

[dry ember]

Lightning Flourish or Drunken Flourish

[shut moth]

no blizzard blade rifts for me

[dry ember]

A bit after you left

Some perspn came in confirming it won't work

So ¯_(ツ)_/¯ sorry for your loss.

Would have been so hype though

[fallen geyser]

so maybe drunken flourish with aphrodite cast? for the Low Tolerance duo?

[dry ember]

You can do Doom on Attack and Drunken Flourish for curse of nausea

Which is easier to execute imo

Low tolerance works too

[shut moth]

hopefully i still beat this run

[fallen geyser]

why not get lucky and get both

doom attack, drunken flourish, aphro cast and both duos 😄

[dry ember]

With Passion Dash

I think is better and easier to apply than cast

[fallen geyser]

yeah that makes sense

[dry ember]

Not to mention you can get curse of longing

[fallen geyser]

what hammer upgrades are best to look for the chaos shield?

[dry ember]

Good luck!

Sudden Rush, Ferocious Guard

[shut moth]

if i could get arctic chill and blizzard shot together it would be awesome

but the speed reduction would mean the blade rift sits still

[dry ember]

Chaos Shield isn't very hammer reliant. You can't go wrong

As long as you don't take the no bull rush one

[bronze sorrel]

Thanks @bronze sorrel for the advice regarding the Rail.
@jade rover

Sure thing! How'd it work out?

[jade rover]

I swapped out my boon three rooms after you said that and my dps doubled

Maybe the easiest run I've done yet

[ebon tinsel]

what are good aspects for rail and gauntlets i barely use those weapons and would like to invest in them as ive invested into the others (well bow is weird so i appreciate recommendations there too)

[dry ember]

All rail are good. Hestia is a bit like bow.

Same for fists although Demeter is quite popular

My personal fav

[ebon tinsel]

whats the argument for hestia over eris?

[fallen geyser]

once i give a character enough nectar do i just need to wait to see when they will ask for a favor? i've had the lock on chaos for a bit now

[dry ember]

Playstyle

[covert hatch]

Big number

[ebon tinsel]

alright thanks fox, i appreciate all the help and recommendations you've given

[dry ember]

If you face a lock, you either have to do more runs or talk to other people

I think I know why Chaos lock, but that's spoiler. Although if you read the dialogue you should know who to talk to.

[shut moth]

well i won

but im still disappointed

[fallen geyser]

its a gold heart border with a lock in it

[shut moth]

i could have at least gotten a consolation ||trout||

but i am close to completing the duo prophecy

[fallen geyser]

msg'd you to avoid spoilers in here @dry ember

[shut moth]

does anyone know the spawn rate of fish in ||Greece||

i've gotten ONE ||trout|| and nothing else

[lost stirrup]

i thought this was builds and combat....

[dry ember]

This is build and combat. That's why we moved to pm.

[void fjord]

i have never even seen a spot to fish over there

also do demeter area duo and art and ares duo stack?

[jade rover]

Why would you go with ||God's Pride ||over|| God's Legacy||? (Not sure if I need to spoiler that)

[dry ember]

Which one is which?

[void fjord]

god pride is epic

and legacy is legendary

i think

[jade rover]

Ye

Legendary or Duo

[dry ember]

Because some weapons don't need duos/legendary but benefits a lot from some good boon

[void fjord]

i prefer epic, since i focus more on boons rather than duos or legendaries

[dry ember]

Such as 4th sword, Hestia, Zag Bow

[jade rover]

How about Chaos?

[void fjord]

however prophecy hunting is much easier with legacy

[dry ember]

Chaos can go either

[ebon tinsel]

pride is more valuable imo cuz some Legendaries aren't needed, id rather have more epics than a legendary

[void fjord]

yes

however it sucks when u get the poseidon and dio duo

thats essentially a waster mirror talent then

[spice plover]

im still having a hard time unlocking the 4th aspect for the gun

not sure what exactly needs to be done

[void fjord]

legacy is stupid though since i have gotten pos legendary in tartarus

[dry ember]

You can ask in #h1-story-discussion

In fact, check the pin there for more info

If you haven't already

[spice plover]

the pin doesnt have it there 😦 has it for everything else but i will check in that area to see if anyone knows

[void fjord]

for rail or fists?

[spice plover]

railgun

[dry ember]

Wdym, it's listed under Exagryph. Maybe you do mean fists?

[void fjord]

yea check under exagryph @spice plover

[spice plover]

ohhh is that wat it is

thank you

[void fjord]

np

[shut moth]

3 duos left

does curse of drowning and blizzard shot work together?

[dry ember]

No

[shut moth]

it seems like you can get them at the same time though

[dry ember]

P sure you can't

[shut moth]

they're both modifiers to flood shot

[dry ember]

That I am more sure because the wiki said so.

[shut moth]

anyway gonna go try to check off curse of drowning from the list

can you get curse of drowning while using ||Beowulf||?

i feel like that disables a lot

[clear dome]

how does the shooting bullrush work with beowulf?

[shut moth]

i don't know

i want the dark thirst, so im just gonna take zeus aspect

wait if im using ares and Poseidon, I want Chaos Aspect

just give the whole room doom

this is actually my first heat 10 run

hope this goes well

[bronze sorrel]

Such as 4th sword, Hestia, Zag Bow
@dry ember

Really? My favorite arthur build is Divine Strike into Deadly Reversal.

I like legacy on there for that reason

@shut moth I'd try Curse of Drowning with Achilles or Poseidon

[brittle wind]

what god normal and special attack usually good for shield??

[bronze sorrel]

how does the shooting bullrush work with beowulf?
@clear dome

Basically turns it back into a cast but slower on startup

[clear dome]

huh? weird

[bronze sorrel]

what god normal and special attack usually good for shield??
@brittle wind

Depends what aspect. Are you running Zagreus aspect?

huh? weird
@clear dome

More accurately, it fires from the end point of charged shot.

You do still have to load it up and its still the Flare version where relevant

[brittle wind]

zagreus aspect yes

[slim scarab]

any good build for achilles but for the early game?

[quasi sage]

is there anywhere I could find ressources on actual uses for each god boons? just knowing the ideas behind all of them

right now (~80 escapes), it feels like aphrodite is always lackluster for instance, i don't know why i would ever want it (except maybe as a Cast build with the sword whose special give shards back?)

[jade rover]

Why do I feel like sometimes the fist special has a cool multihitting animation and sometimes it doesn't?

[valid locust]

Two animations to it: one for a regular press and one for the dash attack.

[jade rover]

Any reason to use one over the other?

[valid locust]

I read in one of the channels that dash attack damage buffs appply to dash special

So say you have fists and you pick up Artemis dash boon

You'd get a buffed dash special too

Fist has a hammer upgrade that makes the dash special explosive and grt +100% damage

So artemis dash plus hammer boon plus w/e boon you already had on special would give you fat damage

[jade rover]

Does that synergize further with demeter?

[valid locust]

Hell to the YES

My favorite fist weapon

You're gonna hit fools with Grand Uppers Streets of Rage style.

If you get artemis/aphrodite on special with charged special, things get lit real fast.

You can mollywhoop things for 700 damage as early as Tartarus with demeter fist.

[jade rover]

lmao I just got the chaos buff for specials

[valid locust]

Go all the way

Turn Zag into One Punch Man

[clear dome]

Went for an aphrodite explosive special zag spear run

chaos showed up once without the special damage boon

[jade rover]

Why do people really like getting aphrodite special?

[clear dome]

the damage

it can increase up to 200% damage

i myself prefer artemis, but she never showed up

[acoustic venture]

Maybe dumb question, can you only pop cthonic companion once per encounter?

[clear dome]

Da

[dire wedge]

yes only once per encounter, as long as you have charges

[acoustic venture]

I was saving them all for redacted

Guess that’s not feasible

[woeful stirrup]

On top of that, some of the companions can't be used against Redacted.

[robust anchor]

not speedrunning but i wanna finish runs quickly. whatre the best weapons/aspects to use?

[valid locust]

Nemesis sword + Aphrodite attack boon

[woeful stirrup]

Depends which weapon you're most comfortable with. My fastest escapes have been with fists.

[valid locust]

Zag fist + Zeus attack + Hermes keepsake

What else is inordinate fat damage?

Hestia aspect I've seen people denolish things with

[sharp shadow]

Sort of a similar question, but what's the best keepsake to use against redacted? I've been using lucky tooth but it isn't letting me stay alive long enough

[valid locust]

This may sound a bit rude bot not meant in thay way. Best keepsake is learning the fight.

Early on just take your Ls so you get used to the timing of dashing away from his spin attack.

Once you unluck double dash in the mirror, it gets way easier.

I ike Achilles keepsake a lot in it.

[sharp shadow]

You recommend double dash? I've been using the empowered dash

[valid locust]

At higgh heat, some of the people use the acorn that grants invincibility

Empowered Dash gets better once you know how to dash about.

If you are having troublw beatinf Redacted, its better tk go double.

[jade rover]

Used the hammer reroll, ended up with flying cutter and explosive upper. On top of deadly flourish, addled flourish, and Demeter...

[valid locust]

Nice

Explosive upper is fun to do when you get the demeter charge

[jade rover]

Very quick last fight, there.

[woeful stirrup]

Acorn is great. Your final goal should be to not even fully deplete it during the fight.

[empty robin]

How does Zeus Aspect work with Hermes +30% special speed

Also does Empowering Flight work with it?

[rare kayak]

honestly i dont see myself using any companions beyond sisy or meg

i trust sgg’s balancing enough that the other companions are probably pretty good in their own right

but brain too small

empowering flight is the one that boosts attack when special hits right

i know it works but it doesnt work all the time

not sure whats the actual conditions but its triggered for me on zeus aspect runs

[untold dust]

How to unlock Gilgamesh?

[rare kayak]

get guan yu aspect

and max a fist aspect

then find the asterius miniboss fight in elysium, the one where you fight him solo

sorry unlock the other teo fist aspects, not max a fist aspect

then basically hope he gives you the voice line, if not do another run

and repeat

[untold dust]

this game really hard to track where to unlock these things, but thanks

[rare kayak]

this one’s probably the worst to unlock

asterius fight is really rng

[hollow sage]

i don't even get that encounter hardly ever

it's usually the pink thing

[rare kayak]

if youre running to unlock gil domt forget to prioritise miniboss doors

skull with two red arrows

[ornate remnant]

there are hardly any alternative mirror traits i like

[rare kayak]

im a fan of abyssal blood and soul

i alternate between both bloods

dark foresight is pretty good now with the buff

[ornate remnant]

maybe i need to play at higher heat to appreciate abyssal blood

[rare kayak]

the privi status alt is actually pretty decent depending on your level

its mostly a playstyle choice

abyssal can help in certain areas but boiling helps burst down bosses and mobs

but burst isnt as needed anymore with the td changes

[ornate remnant]

td?

[rare kayak]

tight deadline

the family favourite damage boost is a bit more consistent than privileged status if a little less

usually my runs have four or five gods so thats about half the damage bonus

but it does free up your boon choices more

[ornate remnant]

i prefer priv status just cause i know it's a consistent number

midas touch is a real weird one for me

cause sometimes you need to spend just before a boss

[rare kayak]

its a bit wacky for me too but the amount of gold it provides does add up to 100 or more over the course of a run depending on how it goes

[ornate remnant]

so unless you accumulate high you could end up with less than deep ockets

[rare kayak]

the two fateds are playstyle changes again

i think persuasion is what most people run on higher heats

stubborn defiance is also run on high heats often

[ornate remnant]

yeah true

the one i will never touch is probably the alt reflex skill

[rare kayak]

the only one i can think of which i dont really see a use for is more damage on undamaged enemies

ruthless can be really good if you abuse it right

plus its probably a better choice on the gilgamesh aspect

[ornate remnant]

i need the double dash

[rare kayak]

yeah but if you get the timing down its 50% attack and dodge

very hefty bonus

plus a lucky hermes boon almost eliminates the downside

i do prefer thick skin to high confidence though

the damage boost isnt really worth two centaur hearts

[turbid needle]

stubborn is good when you run LC because it gives free heals otherwise I like death defiance more bc deaths usually stack at hades

[rare kayak]

i run regen cast mostly out of pure laziness, pretty sure most people run ammo cast

stubborn is basically a 30% heal every room but you really need to get good at bosses

[turbid needle]

but yeah i also dislike most of the green talents

didnt even know they existed until a while in

[rare kayak]

i like them

pretty sure dark foresight is better on high heats

and persuasion has done good stuff for me on occasion

basic boons in this game are really good so all you really need is one godpportunity

which you can get with keepsakes

[turbid needle]

depends

but yeah persuasion is better

the last few are the only ones I like green

the rest is pretty eh imo

dark regen is good

[rare kayak]

im so so on the leg duo one

dark regen is just too useful to pass up

wait

im thinking of cthonic

dark regen is varying

[cunning urchin]

SD with LC4 and SD without LC is barely any different for me.

[turbid needle]

ok

depends on your playstyle I guess

I guess dark regen is slightly worse now that theres less troves

[hollow sage]

i run regen cast mostly out of pure laziness, pretty sure most people run ammo cast
@rare kayak i hate grabbing the things so i always run regen lol, unless i'm using the hidden shield aspect

[rare kayak]

darkness is the last on my picks for blue laurel rooms at the moment so dark regen is really bad for me

[hollow sage]

and unless you're running a specific cast build there's really no need for 3 casts imo

[rare kayak]

it can pop off at troves and if beating a boss you already beat though

[turbid needle]

I always just lodge 3 casts right away to get the dmg boost

[rare kayak]

you only need to lodge one

i think

[turbid needle]

oh

[rare kayak]

3 casts can be good for lodging multiple enemies or just bigger burst

[turbid needle]

it doesnt stack awh

[rare kayak]

would be crazy if it did

but 3 casts can be good for stuff like covering areas with festive fog or ice wine

things like that

[acoustic venture]

yeah Ice Wine with 3 casts is busted

[kind glen]

What is regen cast?

[rare kayak]

ice wine is busted

[acoustic venture]

Stygian Soul

regular is Infernal Soul

I picked up Ice Wine expecting like a 90 damage burst and then chill build up

nah 630 instantly

[turbid needle]

regen cast is prob better for hera but doing a big burst with 3 casts makes my brain produce endorphines

[rare kayak]

demeter’s cast duos are really good actually

[acoustic venture]

yeah

[rare kayak]

except the aphro one

[acoustic venture]

its essentially

big burst unga bunga

or consistent no think where cast land

spam cast button on CD

whatever fits your playstyle better

[rare kayak]

i basically never run hera so i cant input here

never liked cast loading

[acoustic venture]

I actually really like Hera

but Chiron and Rama exist

[rare kayak]

eh i personally like basic bow

[empty robin]

same

[rare kayak]

the crit is nice

[turbid needle]

hera was my first 32

[empty robin]

Bow was even buffed this patch

So now anything is good

[turbid needle]

oh rama got buffed cant wait to do rama runs again

[rare kayak]

chiron is wacky though

[acoustic venture]

wacky how?

[empty robin]

Yeah it used to be my favorite now i don't like it much

[acoustic venture]

did it get changed?

[empty robin]

Grew out of it i guess

[turbid needle]

I never used chiron seems like bad rama

[empty robin]

Nothing changed

[acoustic venture]

well, it was before Rama existed

[rare kayak]

nothing changed

but its still wacky looking

dont mind it though but it really requires heavy blood investment

[acoustic venture]

yeah

same as Guan Yu

[rare kayak]

ill probably max demeter next

idk im enjoying new zeus aspect but not sure if its worth investing

actually now that i think about it its a tossup between demeter and hestia

but lucy is pretty good so

[acoustic venture]

oh what

they removed attack speed buff on Malphon

I know Demeter has the strongest base attack on Malphon iirc?

[barren otter]

apparently the attack speed only affected the first punch, so they removed it

[acoustic venture]

Zagspect was my go to but now im not sure on Malphon

I do still need to unlock new spec as well

[rare kayak]

ill need to take a closer look at gil but the runs ive done i did enjoy

[acoustic venture]

I enjoyed Beo

but I needed to change my entire shield playstyle for it

[turbid needle]

beo is indeed very funny

[rare kayak]

i did not enjoy beo at all

[turbid needle]

but only with charged throw

otherwise I dont like it

[acoustic venture]

I think Arthur, Guan Yu, and Luci are probably the most "Legendary" of the aspects I have

completely different playstyle and gameplan

[rare kayak]

really? luci feels like the most vanilla hidden to me

[acoustic venture]

I think Luci's special is kinda awful

it just doesnt work with the entire charge up beam aspect of it

but the beam is fantastic

and the consistency of it feels different to actual projectiles

[rare kayak]

the special feels like better rail special to me

[acoustic venture]

Beo just doesnt make sense to me

[rare kayak]

its basically zeus aspect shields that you can blow up at any time

[unborn inlet]

What do people think of the hermes perk that gives you +10 gold every time you enter a room? Cause I'm warming to it very quickly, especially if you go for a few extra rounds on the final floor.

[acoustic venture]

and Rama seems like an altered Chiron

[rare kayak]

side hustle is probably my favourite hermes perk

[acoustic venture]

Side Hustle is fantastic if you get it early

regardless of rarity

[turbid needle]

its good

[rare kayak]

getting it early while not running tight deadline is basically a free titan blood/diamond

[acoustic venture]

For Luci, I dont think that the pulse of it does enough damage to warrant it

I think if its gonna be a pulse the area should be bigger and take away burst

[rare kayak]

it interrupts and applies status

which is useful

it interrupts through armor too

[turbid needle]

I like rockets more than hellfire 100% of the time

immediate dmg, need to go fast sry

also big rocket and triple rocket are very funny

[mild briar]

did we find good builds for hidden fist aspect yet? || I couldnt figure out if the dash special effect could crit or if it even scaled with special dmg or if not i should just take ares with it ||

[rare kayak]

the basic attack has a pretty wide arc so you already know what that means

deflect time

[hardy dragon]

hiya everyone

i want to try a poseidon sword build but I've never done a cast build before

[untold vortex]

@past cloak for malphon athena attack, artemis dash, with extra dashes from hermes into deadly reversal is a fun way to build the weapon from my experience

pick up support fire too as that's incredibly good of fists

Another good build is go all in zeus

Unfortunately I don't know how to build for poseidon sword well dedmosh 😅

[hardy dragon]

aw

but youre purple name youre supposed to know everything

how about arthur sword then?

[untold vortex]

Artemis attack or aphrodite attack

Artemis dash is a trap on arthur so I would not go for that personally

Get attack speed up from hermes as that will help quite a bit

[hardy dragon]

ok any duo boons that work well with arthur?

what dash DOES work well?

just default to athena?

[untold vortex]

Athena dash is always a safe choice

[hardy dragon]

artemis or aphrodite is one any better even if slightly?

wondering which to pick starting out

[untold vortex]

For dash, aphrodite possibly, definitely not artemis as her dash strike only effects dash strikes, and that doesn't effect the big beefy 200 base damage 3rd swimg arthur has

[hardy dragon]

what about special? whose boon synergizes with it

[turbid needle]

We should get rewarded more if we use the heat score

Aries is the best boon

Doom stacks are very powerful

[sacred folio]

With the high base damage, any +% damage boons will do. Although I believe Poseidon's dmg bonus is pretty low.

[untold vortex]

The special is morso there to supliment the attack from my experience or using the consecrated ground effect to your advantage

[sacred folio]

And it pushes enemies out of Arhur's aura

[hardy dragon]

ok

[turbid needle]

I got this cool posiden and airies duo where your cast turns into a 360 degree splash attack that surrounds you

[untold vortex]

Curse of drowning is fun

[turbid needle]

I thinking of switching the spear keepshake for the aries boon should I?

[untold vortex]

If you want to, go for it ^_^

[hardy dragon]

should I get aphrodites call or dying lament?

[turbid needle]

What does lament do

Aphrodite 4 bar does a lot of single dmg on bosses

[hardy dragon]

dead enemies dmg nearby ones and spread weak to them as well

[turbid needle]

No

Get the call

[hardy dragon]

k

[turbid needle]

Focus on boss fights

Cuz dying lament won't effect hades

[hardy dragon]

true

[untold vortex]

The call is great, both as a her out of jail free charm card and a yes amount of damage max call

[turbid needle]

What does charm work on bosses

[hardy dragon]

should I go into this inferno gate in tartarus for a pomegranate or a chaos gate or the exit which is another aphrodite boon? I am thinking about the regular exit

[turbid needle]

I've used it but never seen the charm effect on bosses

[untold vortex]

Yes, it's just a reduced effect

[turbid needle]

Boon

[untold vortex]

Chaos

But it depends on where you are

[hardy dragon]

only like two rooms in

[turbid needle]

Ded have you beaten hades

[untold vortex]

Take chaos imo

[hardy dragon]

ye im on heat 7 for sword

mb 6

[turbid needle]

You haven't gotten Excalibur yet

[hardy dragon]

plenty of times ive beaten it

im using excaliber right now

[turbid needle]

Nice man

[hardy dragon]

ye i havent upgraded it a lot

[turbid needle]

I just got gaun yu and waiting on the Excalibur cutscene

[hardy dragon]

excalibur is my favorite hidden aspect

[turbid needle]

I need like 6 upgrade on sword before I get it right

speaking of which i just got my first win on excalibur

was rough

but i did it lol

[untold vortex]

Pog

[turbid needle]

Does excal have slower dps

Do you guys have any tips on how to do well with guan yu's aspect?

[hardy dragon]

moveset is slower

but hits a LOT harder

special puts down an aura that if you stay inside reduces dmg

[turbid needle]

ye it does big bonk

[hardy dragon]

more fun moveset

normal sword aspects moveset is just boring imo

[turbid needle]

@turbid needle I use guan yu for the first time and only reached act 3 boss before dying I wouldn't use guan yu base on the cut health

yeah but i want to use it lol

to get the win

It's bad bro

The health loss is not worth it

yeah well i got contracts from the fates to fulfill lol

[untold vortex]

Guan yu is something you probably should upgrade before using

[turbid needle]

yeah?

Dude you use guan yu you're 50 health behind and all the health upgrades only up you by 10

it's too weak otherwise?

It's not weak it just that it handicapps your character more

feels like i'm relying on the spin move too much

to get health back

but the regen is so small

[hardy dragon]

alright so i cant decide what to get on this hammer

[turbid needle]

You won't hit much with the spin past act 1 mobs

[hardy dragon]

choices are: super nova, piercing wave, double edge

[turbid needle]

Wave

can you screenshot? @hardy dragon

i can't remember what each of them do

Wave the blast after each attack right

[hardy dragon]

super nova special hits wider area and deals 20 percent extra dmg

piercing wave fires a wave after attacks that does 30 dmg

[turbid needle]

hmm

[hardy dragon]

and the wave pierces foes

[turbid needle]

i'd go for super nova

Wave bro

personally

[serene isle]

I would go exp waves

[turbid needle]

can synergize better with boons

[hardy dragon]

double edge dash strike hits twice and deal 20% extra dmg

ok

lemme flip a coin

piercing wave

[turbid needle]

What act you on

Did you just start

[serene isle]

Dash double hit is great too

Especially if you have a dash run

[hardy dragon]

no im on heat 6

[turbid needle]

No as in stage

[hardy dragon]

tartarus

idk like 5 rooms

i now have a choice between zeus room or shop room

[turbid needle]

How many rooms are in a normal run of hades

[hardy dragon]

i cant remember

[turbid needle]

My avg time to beat hades is 20 min

[hardy dragon]

idk if zeus is good with sword

yea im not that fast lol

im closer to 30 usually

atm at midboss

[stiff sparrow]

Typically something with 50 rooms depending how fast you get the "gift bag" so you can bribe ||Cerberus|| then it's time to battle ||your old man himself|| 😂

[turbid needle]

I'm stupid

When I was with the shop keeper I was spamming the r button when I accidently click on the money bag to fight him

I was like oh hey another item I can buy

[stiff sparrow]

😂 have not got the option to steal from ||charon|| yet 😂

[turbid needle]

There's no difference between a secret boon bag and his money bag

They use the same icon

[stiff sparrow]

Wow

[turbid needle]

Have you beaten hades yet?

[stiff sparrow]

You mean the icon of Athena

| not beaten ||Hades|| yet, was so close last time 😩

[turbid needle]

Besten him like 4 times now

[stiff sparrow]

How many hours and runs are you on?

[turbid needle]

Uhh played it for 2 days have done 43 runs

[lunar robin]

I think i got to ||Hades|| twice, once to the second phase

last i checked was like at uhh

[stiff sparrow]

Me: 12 hours 2X runs

[lunar robin]

30 runs or so

[turbid needle]

My play style is constantly dashing and hitting my quick attack in my sword

[lunar robin]

that’s the whole combat loop right there

you get behind people and you hit em in their parts then run away

[turbid needle]

I don't run away

[lunar robin]

how about the aoe attack eh

you sit there and take it

[turbid needle]

I constantly dash to change my position where I'm hitting them

[stiff sparrow]

My last build was| life steal with massive health drawback, special boon of Poseidon| Lucky tooth| Dash of Ares, Deflect attack of Athena and Aid of Athena

[turbid needle]

And to use my sword dash attack

I'm usually behind or at their side

I almost never avoid attacks

I only miss them cuz I dash in the right time to get my invincibility frame

[stiff sparrow]

To be modest ||Hades|| does not have the most versatile and difficult pattern 😂

[turbid needle]

@stiff sparrow his range is insane with spin attack

And I don't know how to avoid him when he does the 360 fire blast

[stiff sparrow]

The spear strike? Or the spinning one?

[lunar robin]

the spinning one has a small hint of wind up so you can tell it’s coming

oh the skull blasts

[turbid needle]

Not the skull blast

[lunar robin]

sounded like it

[stiff sparrow]

The spin stack is quite easy to avoid. Last time I went straight at him with the Aid of Athena and boom. Stabbed in the stomach 😂

[lunar robin]

the spinning one has a small hint of wind up so you can tell it’s coming
@lunar robin then this applies

[turbid needle]

The one where he sits still and fires off a 360 blast

[lunar robin]

you can tell he’ll do it bc a circle will show up around him briefly

when that happens you just dash

[stiff sparrow]

Jupp

[woeful stirrup]

You mean fire beams? There are rocks you can hide behind.

[stiff sparrow]

Does the shockwave from the skuls do anything at all? I'm usaly dashing around 😂

[turbid needle]

Yes fire beams

[next moss]

regarding Trial of the Gods

are there easier god than others

I got aphrodite angry and her attack is so horrible to deal with

[untold vortex]

Typically i find artemis and athena the easiest

[woeful stirrup]

Poseidon is hell in Elysium. Shield guys while trying to dodge blue waves on a blue background...

[next moss]

oki

i did find artemis pretty chill

zeus too iirc

artemis is also very chill in the elysium boss fight

[untold quiver]

@next moss my general "uh oh" picks for Trial Rooms are Aphrodite Athena and Poseidon, I don't pick Poseidon unless it's up against the other two, and I only pick Aphrodite when paired with Athena, invincible enemies >>> any other problem, to me anyway

[stone river]

what is the best keepsake for biome 3 for fist?

[odd marten]

Depends on the situation and how far you are into the game

[untold quiver]

If you don't have a "Buff keepsake" (one that requires you to have it equipped to get it's bonuses) I would say in general Spearpoint

[cunning urchin]

Acorn.

[untold quiver]

Acorn is also really good

[cunning urchin]

Acorn, Coin Purse if you haven't picked it yet and feel confident, Hourglass if you have cash and feel confident.

But check the Well first before you pick Coin Purse or Hourglass.

[hardy dragon]

so im only on like heat 2 with talos fists does anyone have a basic build for it?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[untold quiver]

For the fists I like something that's gonna hit hard on attack, Athena, Demeter, Aphrodite - often I'll take Doom on special, and with the fists in general I really like Athena's dash

[hardy dragon]

interesting i like it

[pearl plank]

is athena dash ever not the best option?

[rare kayak]

oh wow

[cunning urchin]

Hmm. You'll want Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, or Lightning Strike on Attack.

[rare kayak]

i returned the zeus shield just as zag hit a shade and he said “go away” as the shield came near him

truly emergent gameplay

[cunning urchin]

Special doesn't matter. Just splash something to unlock a good Duo.

[rare kayak]

anyway i feel like the zeus shield got better or something

was it buffed

[cunning urchin]

Dash is either Divine Dash or if you have Divine Strike, you can go with Hunter Dash.

[turbid needle]

sometimes this game is a bullet hell

[cunning urchin]

Anything that isn't Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, or Lightning Strike has always been way inferior in my experience with Malphon.

[untold quiver]

@pearl plank I have weapons where I get pretty good milage out of Trippy Dash because I'm often dashing "Away" from enemies (particularly the final two bosses) ....and Hunter Dash if you're going a dash strike build, but in a vaccum yes Athena dash is the best

[cunning urchin]

Frost Strike doesn't hit hard on Malphon, anyway.

Best DPS is Curse of Agony followed by Lightning Strike.

And Divine Strike has unparalleled utility with Deflect.

[hard holly]

Surely Lightning Strike is better DPS than curse of agony?

[untold quiver]

Not if you're doing hit and run I imagine, or when you step it up a level and can stack dooms

[cunning urchin]

Practically the same DPS on single-targets. But as soon as you're applying Doom to multiple enemies, Chain Lightning won't keep up.

[valid locust]

Make sure you get Poseidon Dash with Fist weapon so you can spend a run feeling bad like I did.

[cunning urchin]

But they both have excellent DPS, anyway.

[valid locust]

Poseidon special on Zeus Aspect is also as bad as you can imagine.

[untold quiver]

I've been there Toki... Didn't really think it through when I first started playing Hera Bow and took the "don't need to charge" hammer and proceeded to have a hell of a time setting my flares in the right spot

[pearl plank]

by contrast, poseidon strike on gil malphon is fun as all hell

[valid locust]

Everytime you discover a bad combination

Orpheus's trolling song should play til the end of the run

😂 😂 😂

[pearl plank]

you hold dash+attack and take whoever for a ride

[cunning urchin]

@hard holly can scroll down from here a bit. That's when I looked at the DPS for different (rare) Attack boons on Malphon. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/712542032706666496

[hard holly]

Thats surprising

But I guess the Zeus nerfs did hit hard

[untold quiver]

I have had a lot of fun with doom on special with the Chiron Bow.... especially after picking up Doom stack

[next moss]

seems fun enough yeah

[pearl plank]

deadly strike seems startlingly weak, huh
is the whole gimmick that [the crits] stack multiplicatively with other attack buffs?

[cunning urchin]

Well, it's not impossible that Chain Lightning would keep up with Doom on multiple targets. I just don't think it would. But that's something you'd have to parse in real runs to get good data on.

With Curse of Agony, anyway, you can get Merciful End. Lightning Strike doesn't really offer anything similar, I don't think.

[untold quiver]

Jolted......but it's not as strong at all

[hard holly]

Zeus Legendary

But its not very consistent

[untold quiver]

Isn't zeus legendary double strikes?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, the legendary should be comparable in damage, but it's harder to get.

[hard holly]

No, its just an extra 40 damage bolt on anything that creates lightning effects

I imagine its more than comparable

I imagine it pulls pretty far ahead

But not very consistent to get

[cunning urchin]

Possibly.

[hard holly]

I mean its, lets see

About 200 extra DPS?

[untold quiver]

It seems like it would start lower, but at a break point if keeping attacks up pull ahead.......you aren't constantly attacking all the time so "DPS " isn't always the best indication imo

[hard holly]

I mean

You kinda are

[cunning urchin]

Well, I looked at the first 3 hits + 2 dash-strikes. So a 5-hit combo. That's 65 damage from rare Lighting Strike + 200 from Splitting Bolt for 265 damage total. You can trigger Merciful End 2 times in the combo for 2 * (75 + 50) damage or 250 damage total.

[hard holly]

Wait how do you trigger Merciful end there, I thought athena dash no longer triggers it?

[cunning urchin]

It triggers it. It just doesn't unlock it anymore in the boon tree.

[hard holly]

Ah

[cunning urchin]

Oh right. ME damage is 40 now.

So 230 damage with ME, and 265 damage with Splitting Bolt.

On a single target.

So for mob waves, it should be very close.

@pearl plank Deadly Strike is the second-highest +% Attack boon thanks to crits. It also benefits more from other +% damage sources (e.g., Hunter Dash) because crits are multiplicative.

Crits hit for triple damage.

[pearl plank]

Yeah, that makes sense

[cunning urchin]

With enough secondary +% damage sources, it can pull ahead of Heartbreak Strike eventually.

For Epic and Heroic rarity, it's actually behind Divine Strike and Frost Strike. But they're pretty close, and it pulls ahead fast if you add something like Hunter Dash.

[pearl plank]

Or chaos boons, I'm guessing

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

Aspect abilities, etc.

[robust anchor]

whats your favorite rail aspect

[rare kayak]

(credit sequence spoilers) ||i literally did a fullclear of styx to scrounge up a death defiance and this was the run which hades let me go...||

[cunning urchin]

Hestia.

[pearl plank]

its a tossup between hestia and ||SATAN LASER|| for me

[rare kayak]

also that run sucked because literally every fountain except one didnt have a kiss of styx

i still need to invest in hestia before i can pass judgement

mfw no blood

[hearty elbow]

Tossup between Eris and Hestia for me

[pearl plank]

fully invested hestia is just absurd

I feel like I ought to use Eris but it's just so..... ugly

i literally can't get past it

elegant weapons only for me 😤

[rare kayak]

eris sounds like a nemesis but a bit more awkward

like the damage bonus is real big but the delay between special and landing is

still, im sure its pretty good

[hearty elbow]

The delay is annoying, yeah, but you have to also consider that you don't NEED the buff to actually deal damage. So you can lob it out roughly where you want to be and play normally.

I have been typically going Zeus but I could see Doom or Hangover working

[rare kayak]

oh nekojishi huh

[hearty elbow]

lmao I've been called out

[rare kayak]

yeah but im impatient and a perfectionist so

[hearty elbow]

well met, fellow degen

[pearl plank]

hey now, doesn't get much more degen than greek myth

By the way, does the ||satan laser|| have a higher fire rate than the normal rail?

[hearty elbow]

Yeah

[pearl plank]

Right, checks out. By how much, do you know?

[hearty elbow]

Fast enough that it trivially caps out the Lightning internal cooldown of .2s

[untold quiver]

My Eris runs where I don't get mult special (either variety) or rocket launcher always feel like I'm not really using it full power

[gusty elm]

(from #hades-feedback)
fyi @burnt obsidian it shows you that in the tooltip explaining health/healing, but the fact that most people don't notice that really speaks to its discoverability (or lack thereof)

[burnt obsidian]

Ah, it shows you your current health?

[cunning urchin]

Eris buffs all damage, so you don't need a Special build to make the most of it.

[burnt obsidian]

I definitely missed that, so yup. I rarely pick healing anyway, just noticed it the other day

[cunning urchin]

I'd argue an Attack build with Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike would do more, in fact.

[hearty elbow]

Eris + Lightning Strike is like starting a run with a high level Heroic Double Strike. A+

[rare kayak]

||man, the than dialogues took so long i literally completed the storyline before i got his keepsake||

hows his keepsake btw

[hearty elbow]

do you mean companion?

[rare kayak]

yeah

that

[hearty elbow]

It's amazing against The Husbandos

[rare kayak]

who

[untold quiver]

I will invest into a special build if I get rocket launcher in Tartarus otherwise yeah I usually go with "keep the buff with specials and unload bullets everywhere

[bitter brook]

the heroes im guessing

[hearty elbow]

Theseus + Minotaur non-EM3

EM3 Theseus is too hard to catch with it in my experience

[rare kayak]

ah

[hearty elbow]

At least with F02

[rare kayak]

well thats not gonna help me

when i have em3 perma

[bitter brook]

theseus is easier when he ||god modes||

[rare kayak]

way easier

[bitter brook]

||he just stands there and lets you hit him||

[rare kayak]

the buff didnt really change much considering you usually kill him before he does anything lol

[untold quiver]

I need more practice at EM3 still, I'm dropping like 2 DD on it

[hearty elbow]

Thanatos was pretty go-to until they buffed Meg

[rare kayak]

its mostly just paying attention to where you stand in em3

[hearty elbow]

And made Antos, both of which are a lot more reliable

[rare kayak]

the rockets really hurt but theyre super telegraphed

after you take down asterios theseus is mostly cake as long as you stay right behind him

just dont dash in front

[untold quiver]

Yeah I'm sure I'll get it I just started doing runs on it after 1.0

[rare kayak]

its a very different kind of fight from base altogether

to the point where i have more trouble at base than in em3

[cunning urchin]

Eris with Smoldering Air is pretty ridiculous. Highly recommended.

Since your Call gets +75% damage.

[rare kayak]

eris with smoldering air?

ah

[untold quiver]

Which one is that?

[rare kayak]

i usually use air with aphro call

25% call gauge but it recharges stupid fast

[hearty elbow]

New Razor Shoals + Poseidon's Aid with Eris is also very amusing

[cunning urchin]

It's charged in 5 seconds.

[rare kayak]

did shoals get buffed? i dont take pos often

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Poseidon's Aid with Eris and Smoldering Air is pretty broken.

[hearty elbow]

Epic is base 20 now

Common is 10

[cunning urchin]

You can easily get free 3k damage on bosses every 5 seconds with that combo.

[rare kayak]

thats like double damage?

ok but nyaa consider this what if i hit him for 60 damage and immediately ate a spin to lose a death defiance

[hearty elbow]

iirc Razor Shoals does damage every .2s for 3 sec, so 20 * (1 + .75 + .25 [from FF])) is actually double damage, yes.

[rare kayak]

im still not really sure how t works

does it just do that damage every 0.2d youre moving?

[hearty elbow]

And Poseidon's Aid guarantees that condition, yep

[rare kayak]

cool

[hearty elbow]

In practice it feels a whole lot like you slapped Poseidon and Dio calls together, which is just amazing

[untold quiver]

I was making a video of a run to show a friend how Posidon Blade worked, and I got like....everything for an amazing Artimis run

Extra cast from Chaos, extra casts from Artimis, Artimis call, exit wounds, double cast, the leap in special, machine gun cast, and God gauge builds over time

Melted the final two bosses

[pearl plank]

wait, how exactly does rupture work? does the damage depend on how fast the enemy moves or is it just a fixed dps?

[hearty elbow]

Boolean, if enemy is moving, then DoT kicks in

[pearl plank]

Right

[untold quiver]

And most of the enemies are almost always moving

[hearty elbow]

Getting knocked back with Poseidon's call pretty much guarantees they're going to move back towards you too

Or if you have Rip Current, then lol

[untold quiver]

I like the cast for that reason if I'm not looking for specific cast synergy....ranged aoe that can slap a dot on things? Very nice

Also doing the loop around on bosses with Posidon Call is good humor

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, Flood Shot is my favorite utility cast, tied kinda with Phalanx. Razor Shoals pushed it ahead though

[untold quiver]

Ironically (or maybe not) I never use it with a "Cast weapon"

[rare kayak]

man i love chain skewer

hehe bounce

[hearty elbow]

You're playing man mode if you're using it with Achilles

[rare kayak]

the ricochet hammers are my favourite

achilles cant get it now

got patched

[untold quiver]

Awwwew

[hearty elbow]

Wow.

[pearl plank]

[hearty elbow]

Game unplayalbe

[untold quiver]

That was like my favorite since I run heavy Ares with Achilles (appropriate) and that made for fun, bounce it around putting doom on people then zip off..... somewhere

[fading fog]

ive been neglecting the bow

what gods work best with it (default aspect)

[rare kayak]

well you can alwas try a different version

its called do a 360 and try to snap to the enemy and special

errr artemis is pretty good

[untold quiver]

But........ why lol....I just Love that Blade Rift/Hunting Blades Achilles tooooooo much.. the 1.0 buff made it even better

[brittle wind]

which one is better fated persuasion or fated authority??

[hearty elbow]

I pretty much always go Aphro attack

on Zag bow

[rare kayak]

honestly theres not really any specific build that super matters, the game is pretty balanced

about the most important thing is getting athena on a spammable attack for easy deflects

[hearty elbow]

Or dash, more preferably

[rare kayak]

dash is an attack

and even then you can just dash through and destroy most projectiles if youre careful about it

[fading fog]

athena on excalibur is so broken lmao

i cleared the asphodel witch room in like 10 seconds

[cunning urchin]

@brittle wind probably Persuasion, but there are players who swear by Authority and think Persuasion sucks. Best to just try and see which works best for you.

[rare kayak]

witch room is invalidated by almost any athena boon

to be fair

[cunning urchin]

You can reset your mirror with Chthonic Keys, so feel free to give both a try.

[bright flint]

That final animation swing from arthur that swipe the whole room full of bullets back into the witches' face ohhh

[rare kayak]

i like how they have a big fat question mark in place of bounties you havent gotten yet in the level transition screen

“ooh he’s never gonna guess this one”

[brittle wind]

You can reset your mirror with Chthonic Keys, so feel free to give both a try.
@cunning urchin I forgot about this lol thanks

[untold quiver]

@brittle wind @cunning urchin is spot on there, I for instance base most of what I'm doing around one or two specific boons, so I want to reroll my choices, bit other players are more adaptable, and like to be able to tilt the reward choices, it's very much a playstyle

[rare kayak]

basically, typically in normal runs youve got two or three guranteed gods with keepsakes

[cunning urchin]

@fading fog Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike for Attack and either Hunter Dash or Divine Dash. You'll want to spam Dash-Strikes (but Power Shots), mainly.

So usually hammer upgrades that buff your Attack.

Personally, I think Authority sucks.

[hearty elbow]

Since the new Bow special also comes out extremely fast after your attack, I have had decent results with using Privileged Status with either Demeter or Ares with Aphro attack

[fading fog]

ive been running up and nailing people with the special up close like a shotgun

and that's worked out pretty well

[turbid needle]

Hmm i'm going for a crit build this run and i just got a hammer that gives me these three options:

1. charged volley
2. point blank shot
3. twin shot

which one should i choose

[hearty elbow]

Twin Shot

[turbid needle]

ye i was gonna go for that myself tbh

lol

Do both shots crit?

[hearty elbow]

Twin > Perfect >= Explosive > Chain >= Point Blank > Triple, vaguely

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

Both can crit individually, yes.

[turbid needle]

oh snap

well then

artemis

we got work to do

[cunning urchin]

I've converted all the high-heat players who used to prefer Authority to Persuasion, thankfully. At high heat, Persuasion is definitely the meta. But that's due to a lot of factors that don't matter at 0–20 Heat.

[untold quiver]

Yeah I would think at high heat you need every room to "count more"

[hearty elbow]

Approval Process and Underworld Customs make it a more objective choice.

And RI1

[turbid needle]

i'm only on heat 2 lol

i'm just going through each weapon to get all the upgrades

for each level of heat

[cunning urchin]

I still haven't finished bounties for Varatha, Aegis, and Exagryph.

[rare kayak]

man this run was supposed to be a zagspect arty special run but i got splitting bolt like three rooms in and now its just zeus attack

[brittle wind]

I already open the last mirror slot with chtonic keyss

what the keys purpose after that??

[untold quiver]

I think I'm up to 13-14 on Malphion and Stygius....but now that I have playstyles I like with the bow and spear everything is catching up

[serene isle]

More weapons?

[hearty elbow]

They can vendor for a Blood for 15 lol

[serene isle]

Outside of rerolling your mirror upgrades

and yeah vendor

[cunning urchin]

My highest heat with those are 52 with Aegis, 41 with Exagryph, and I believe 32 with Varatha. So I haven't had too much motivation to farm bounties with them lol. Also school now.

[brittle wind]

so 15 for blood then okay thanks

[untold quiver]

You can "trade up" all the currencies to Titan blood so they are all "useful" ....there are also upgrades at the contractor that give them all an in run benefit. .I grab keys for the rerolls frequently

[cunning urchin]

Ah no, 32 was Coronacht. 17 with Varatha.

I should do 32 with Varatha next, maybe.

[hearty elbow]

I hit 40 with every weapon (def not every aspect) and 49 with Rama, but I'm pretty sure I only have the bow and shield bounties maxed

[untold quiver]

I'm going to consider having met my expectations when I can reliably clear Em4 runs, just EM

[hard holly]

Im a bit late, but Id say Triple Shot > Twin Shot

Even if its not easy to use

[hearty elbow]

Triple is just bad Chain in practice. It shotguns on so few things

[hard holly]

Its insane against bosses

And still very good at clearing rooms

I see no reason to ever use chain shot over it tbh

[hearty elbow]

Against bosses unless you are literally hugging their nether regions you are only hitting 2 of the arrows, which is effectively a 0 range Twin Shot

[cunning urchin]

Why can't we have both. Let me power-shoot 6 arrows with my Attack.

[hearty elbow]

Triple + Explosive is a real combo though, I do love that.

[cunning urchin]

6 explosive arrows*

[hard holly]

Eh, you can get 3 shots to hit on bosses pretty reliably if you get used to dash distance

[untold quiver]

Hey so....now that they changed Zag shield I find myself looking at Dash strike based builds....thoughts?

[hard holly]

I also dislike Explosive Shot, way too slow

[hearty elbow]

Don't go for power shots

[hard holly]

Then youre just kinda doing less damage

Anyway, while Triple Shot is hard to use, I do think its the best Bow Hammer if youre good with it

Since its a guaranteed crit that can crit again effectively

I think I managed to oneshot an entire Hades cycle once

[hearty elbow]

The problem is that model is not scalable. You don't want to be charging a power shot inside of a boss with FO2

[hard holly]

Well if you got Athenas Aid thats easy, but even so, it seemed pretty doable on FO2 to me

It gets worse with very high heat, sure

[pearl plank]

yeah but if you don't charge power shots you dont get that sound effect

[hard holly]

But Im not a fan of the heat options past Forced Overtime, Extreme Measures and the damage up one

Sooo

[cunning urchin]

You can just record the SFX and loop it.

[hard holly]

Its why Ill probably never get the 32 heat statue

[hearty elbow]

Also, against EM4 FO2, I'm not sure when you expect to be able to shotgun him. Though I haven't practiced that fight yet. My Steam copy no longer works ;_;

[hard holly]

He has moments of downtime even in EM4

[hearty elbow]

Right, but law of averages, the times where he doesn't you just don't have a hammer

[hard holly]

Eh, its still good at shooting him and the minibosses at the same time

[untold quiver]

Are the exploding skulls still considered traps? I see you can't deflect them away anymore

[cunning urchin]

They were never considered traps.

[reef galleon]

you can deflect them, they just don't disappear

[cunning urchin]

They just don't disappear anymore if you deflect them.

[hearty elbow]

You can't deflect them into him anymore for a free nuke, no

[fading fog]

does excalibur's protection zone prevent hades' skulls from going ogg

[hearty elbow]

Or else if you can it certainly doesn't do the damage it used to

[cunning urchin]

does excalibur's protection zone prevent hades' skulls from going ogg
No.

[untold quiver]

Huh.....I thought I remembered people talking about getting wrecked with the +trap damage by the skull explosions

[hearty elbow]

Urns

[hard holly]

Oh, you have to stop autoupdate if you want to mod Hades

[untold quiver]

Ahhhhh

[hard holly]

Hmm

[cunning urchin]

Bosses take reduced damage from Deflects now. So it might just be that for the skull, too.

[untold quiver]

So I was remembering it wrong

[hearty elbow]

Do Heroes still take 0%?

[hardy dragon]

so im doing a chaos shield run with zeus special and ares boon in asphodel. Atm I have the choice between an ares and hermes and I cannot decide

[hearty elbow]

Do you already have dashes?

[untold quiver]

In asphodel? That's still early enough for a good side hustle too

[cunning urchin]

Side Hustle is never a good choice.

It's a "these other options are useless for me" choice.

[hearty elbow]

Epic in Tartarus/Asphodel is insane if you don't have CF2 active

[hard holly]

Idk, I like side hustle

[hardy dragon]

i dont have any dashes yet

[hearty elbow]

It's relatively worthless with CF2 though.

[hardy dragon]

i bought a boon in tartarus from hermes but it was just a dodge chance

[hearty elbow]

if you already have Ares attack, and presumably no Vengeance boons, then your best hope from Ares is Impending Doom, which is medium

[hardy dragon]

no i dont have ares boons yet

[cunning urchin]

Far from insane. A boon from Lord Hermes is worth 500 obols without CF. If you take an Epic Side Hustle, you need to pass 32 chambers just to break even.

[hardy dragon]

man i cant decide now

[cunning urchin]

Just take Lord Hermes.

[hardy dragon]

yea i do need an extra dash

[hearty elbow]

so im doing a chaos shield run with zeus special and ares boon in asphodel
@hardy dragon So what do you mean by Ares boon?

[hardy dragon]

ares keepsake

[cunning urchin]

Ah.

[hardy dragon]

trying to get his attack

[hearty elbow]

oh, assuming you're at or before room 19 and haven't done the miniboss yet then Hermes is free, you'll get Ares anyway

[cunning urchin]

You can open the boon menu to see the chamber count.

[hardy dragon]

yea im not at 19 yet i havent counted but no miniboss yet might be the next room

ill check then

at chamber 19 lol

[cunning urchin]

So.

Do you want us to say "Lord Hermes" again, or have you decided now?

[hardy dragon]

lol

[untold quiver]

Do the reworked chaos shields pierce?

[hearty elbow]

I really really wish Chamber # was a permanent main-UI addition. There is a lot of intuition that can be derived from it if you see it all the time that's lost on people who don't think to always press Select.

[cunning urchin]

That sounds very very unlikely.

@hearty elbow can you copy-paste that into #hades-feedback, so that I may upvote it (again)?

[hardy dragon]

phew thankfully got an extra dash

ruthless reflex is so good