#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 582

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 PM

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but hangover on Special seems maybe workable?

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 PM

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I'd say not on Achilles. You use the special to move, not to spread statuses. Overcommiting to the special can land you in hot water.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 PM

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oh, no, on Guan Yu sorry

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obviously not on Achilles, my bad for ambiguity

small stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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residentzag https://i.imgur.com/iZiMZtj.png

Imgur

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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It's bad on any spear

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Not with Flurry Jab.

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Guan Yu special is more for direct damage, really.

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Or Serrated Point.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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okay, cool, good to know

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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I thought he was talking about the special

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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it hits a few times but I've never used it against real enemies

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(only Skelly)

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Persuasion is excellent already just the way it is.

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Rerolling hammers is way too strong.

small stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Would it?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Yes.

small stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 9:07 PM

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thanthink

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I agree that it would be very strong--but there are also situations where you are forced into a completely useless hammer, even without AP

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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There'll be no good reason to ever pick Authority if Persuasion gives you that much control.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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As it stands people already commit sudoku 50 times to get their desired hammer for high heat runs with AP2, so the effect of Fated Persuasion on hammers would be less dramatic than you're implying

small stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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There'll be no good reason to ever pick Authority if Persuasion gives you that much control.
Fair point

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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...is there a good reason to take Authority anyway?

small stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yeah?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Authority will always be good for builds that want a whole lot of one God

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Like Zeus

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I guess I haven't tried it in a while

small stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Same

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Persuasion just does wonders man

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Persuasion is probably still better because it's more flexible, but that's the niche for AUthority

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:10 PM

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You mean seppuku lol.

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 9:10 PM

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~~no they mean sudoku~~

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Lol, definitely meant sudoku 😛

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Ah, some meme I'd never heard of.

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Anyway, AP2 high heat is like less than 1% of players.

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Daedalus hammers have some of the most impact on a run.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Yeah, but what I'm saying is there is already an in-game mechanism for Persuading hammersw

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It's just jank and circuitous

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:13 PM

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woah. do people prefer persuasion? I thought everyone preferred authority!

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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It's by a pretty large margin. Re-rolling Chaos, wells and poms is kind of insane.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Persuasion is my jam.

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I can't remember the last time I ran Authority

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I hate being forced to take a common.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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huh. it's also cheaper

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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And I like fishing.

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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used to run authority all the time but using persuasion for just a couple runs pretty much converted me

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 PM

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I've told people Persuasion was way better from the start, but it took quite a long time to catch on lol.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Yeah that's so weird. Idk why Authority's grind is SO bad

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:15 PM

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though atm I think I prefer 2 Authority over 1 Persuasion

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:15 PM

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It's more than the rest of the mirror combined, including Persuasion

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:15 PM

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It's a matter of taste. Whatever works for you.

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Authority does let you get up to 10 of them.

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 PM

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yeah, authority's grind made a bit more sense before nighty night and the mirror b-sides

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Which is worth something.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 PM

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6 options (or even 4 or 2 with AP) for chaos is sooo much better than 3/2/1. And Chaos is one of the only multiplicative damage systems

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Authority's grind is probably so that you have a reason to care about darkness for a good long while.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Most of the shift to Persuasion in the meta is also due to way more people doing high heat now.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Without it being -too- important.

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:17 PM

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that was the idea initially, yeah

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it was the prime darkness sink goal

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:17 PM

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so for lower heat, not much of a difference?

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that said, I very rarely lose runs now unless it's to Charon

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:17 PM

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It depends on what you prefer.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:17 PM

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You need a buffer to not die to bad chaos boons to skip a room in Elysium lol

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Where Routine Inspection removes the rerolls you start with anyway.

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So, the only rerolls you get are from key chambers, and 1 Persuasion reroll has more value than 1 Authority reroll.

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Also stuff like Underworld Customs. Persuasion lets you reroll if all 3 options are boons that are key to your build.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:19 PM

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ohh do keys always give the same one as your mirror talent?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yes.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:19 PM

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didn't realize

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yeah. It's not terribly intuitive but that is the way it works lol

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:20 PM

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they used to not give reroll charges with RI active 😔

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I was way more scared of RI1 for a long time than I should have been because I thought I would get no rerolls at alll

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:20 PM

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the change to have them work was pretty swanky

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:20 PM

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They didn't use to give rerolls at all when Routine Inspection was on. But they changed that in the Blood Price Update.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Oh it was that recent? I guess my fear was founded

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:21 PM

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You typed faster lol.

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I blame my phone. squirtooh

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:21 PM

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also is it just me or are Nectars WAY better than the other three blue laurels?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Nectars fall off dramatically late run

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:21 PM

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blue laurels?

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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rooms are either blue laurels (meta progression) or gold laurels (in run progression), basically

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Ah

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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i'd say keys are the most powerful blue laurel reward for extremely high heat, simply for rerolls

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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oh, since someone said Guan Yu is arguably the best spear... what are the arguments? I probably won't get to cap more than 1 aspect per weapon

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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I like gem rooms. The 20 gold usually does a lot to get me to a threshold to buy something

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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because AP kind of demands them at times

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Yeah I tend to take early nectars and later on keys

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if no other choice is present

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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For me priorities for blue laurels are the following:
Nectar/key
Darkness
Gemstones (CF is pain)

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Charged Skewer is the primary argument

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Gem rooms are my preference above darkness

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more obols

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Charged Skewer is the primary argument
@hearty elbow in favour of Guan Yu or opposed?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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In favor of

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Nectar chambers have good value if (1) you already have the core boon that you want to level, and (2) you don't have a lot of other boons that can level up but that you don't actually care for.

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Without CF gemstones give you freedom to buy needed upgrades, but with one they fail to provide enough value

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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45 base damage with intrinsic AoE and pierce goes a LONG way with that hammer

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Hmm true

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I don't use CF tbf

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:24 PM

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yeah, i always welcome nectar early on if i start with a non-hammer boon that i want to keep for the rest of the run

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Without CF gemstones give you freedom to buy needed upgrades, but with one they fail to provide enough value
@gleaming current CF?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I always leave CF on now to get a better feeling for coin economy during a run

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Convenience Fee

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:24 PM

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ahh, CF makes anything that give gold a waste of time

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:24 PM

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not exactly

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:24 PM

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or feel like one**

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Also, if the boon(s) you care for are around Lv.5 already, putting more poms on them only increases their effect by the minimum amount, so that's not a lot of value.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:25 PM

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And the 20 coins have mattered for me quite a lot. It's not like I'm usually rife with options with blue laurel room lol but still

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I am still gathering ressources in my runs en masse and like to buy out the last shop so I can get all the aspects I enjoy maxed n stuff. Maybe later on I'll give CF a shot.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Dio core boons are a kind of exception to that. Poms scale pretty well forever

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:25 PM

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yeah, no point to CF if you're actively going after meta resources

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I don't usually get many level 5 boons, personally?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:26 PM

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For Dio non-call, I think I stop caring about Poms around maybe 7 or 8?

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:26 PM

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In my cast oriented runs I usually end up with level 9-10 boons any other runs? Just a bunch of non leveled or 2-3 max

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:26 PM

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For everything else it's usually level 2 or 3 then it doesn't matter anymore

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Trippyshot all the waay

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Well, at lower heats you tend to benefit more from just getting a lot of boons. So getting higher levels happens less often, as you favor boon chambers.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Underworld Customs teaches you good habits though, and it is immensely satisfying to end Tartarus with lvl 5 drunken flourish 😛

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:28 PM

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At very high heats, trials are often something you want to avoid, and boons in general are often something you want to avoid because you don't want to be forced into a bad exchange because of AP2 or waste a reroll to dodge a bad exchange.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:29 PM

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yeah trials on higher heat maybe viable in Tartarus

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:29 PM

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and then when high heat starts running AP2, don't count on consistently leveling anything you specifically want unless you're very thin on boons (whether on purpose which is fairly often the case or otherwise)

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:29 PM

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I will take Athena literally anywhere.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:29 PM

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higher heat the risk outweighs the rewwards

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:29 PM

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I just tend to go for a small selection of boons and stick with em

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then just ressources

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:30 PM

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boon management is really necessary for speedrunning, too

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you don't want to bloat your boons and open up bad duos

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:30 PM

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it's good to top off with a couple boons you don't super care for with UC, so you're never forced to sell something that's important to your run

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@mighty ermine disagree, it's easy to level the boon you want when that's all you have until Elysium. failbag

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:30 PM

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lol

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:30 PM

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I mean

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I am holding out for TD tweak

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and bow buff

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Having runs with like just 2 boons for the entire time

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Can be fun

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in their own right

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:31 PM

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then you're going to tackle 57 immediately right

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:31 PM

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1.0 please don't disappoint

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then you're going to tackle 57 immediately right
yeah for sure

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I'm looking forward to Approval Process being blasted from the face of the world.

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But it won't happen.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I am holding out for TD tweak
#h1-builds-and-combat message

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:32 PM

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no u

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:32 PM

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I'm top 2, what do you mean. squirtooh

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Top0 when

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:33 PM

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failbag

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Beyond top 1

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:33 PM

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who is the second man who steps on the moon?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I'm looking forward to Approval Process being blasted from the face of the world.
Why would you want that? You don't have to take it if you don't like it. Leave the option for those who do like it.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:34 PM

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can't do max heat if they keep adding more heat

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:34 PM

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honestly i think AP is a worthwhile wrench to throw at lower heats; the idea is interesting, but just mostly feels tedious at extra high heat with everything else happening. like, i'll deal with it for now at high heat, as i have many times, but i don't find it particularly fun

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:35 PM

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You could do very high heat without AP2.

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:35 PM

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i like to keep my distance from max RI, CP, and JS thank you very much

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:36 PM

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I just don't feel like it makes the game harder in a fun way. The only mistake I feel like I made when AP takes away an important boon I've been carefully aiming for is the mistake of picking approval process.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:36 PM

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I've noticed a bad trend, though, of these conversations in this channel always turning towards high heat talk lol.

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 9:36 PM

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you're right actually

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oops

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:36 PM

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JS can be much better at high heat if we have more enemies at once, rather than more waves

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:36 PM

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We should probably be more conscious of avoiding that.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:36 PM

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but that would threatens lower heat runs

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Channel topics are sort of fluid. I don't think it's a big deal or anything.

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I would prefer JS to just swarm more than just take more time personally at any heat.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Well, one big reason I wanted a high heat channel was so we could talk about that without chat becoming so intimidating for players who aren't looking for that kind of extreme challenge.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Well I don't think it bothers anyone. We're just talking about which pacts are the most annoying. Which matters for most people.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Lol, but then half the time new players will come in to ask basic questions expecting a more competent answer on average

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And the cycle continues

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:39 PM

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So, this chat turning into high heat talk a lot is basically what used to happen before lol.

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I think a lot of the time here we end up giving advice that has little relevance to the heats people run at.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:40 PM

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AP is annoying is good advice.

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:41 PM

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It's an experience you have to go through to respect choice of 3

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:41 PM

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I think a lot of the time here we end up giving advice that has little relevance to the heats people run at.
speak for yourself. my advice is solid.

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:41 PM

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shadesmile

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:41 PM

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People may not be running all of the heat simultaneously but it's worth knowing what works and what doesn't with particular pacts since people will inevitably run some combo of them.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 9:42 PM

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You know. I think I'd like AP a lot more if it didn't show you what boon was locked out.

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There's no reason to tell you what it was other than to hurt you.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:42 PM

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There is actually if you run Persuasion.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Though it's lazy and dismissive to say "everything works up to 32," it's worth discussing how to make that actionable advice.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:44 PM

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honestly I haven't seen a Hades guide video that really hits the spot

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:44 PM

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"Git gud" games rarely do. Dark souls has very clunky guide videos too, because there's too much specific information.

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And what is intuitive to one player may be nonsense to another.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I haven't watched any Hades guide video yet.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I think Jawless Paul tried a couple, but they come off as pretty opinion based and detromentally generalized.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:47 PM

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The players who I think are most capable of making good guides are more interested in putting their knowledge to use themselves and figuring out more things.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:48 PM

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not necessarily true for single player games

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:48 PM

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For these style of games it's almost always better to just watch people play and talk through their decision making. Haelian is perfect at that.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:48 PM

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competitive games are different sure

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but this is first and foremost a pve game

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:49 PM

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What's not necessarily true?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 PM

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The players who I think are most capable of making good guides are more interested in putting their knowledge to use themselves and figuring out more things.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Okay then.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:52 PM

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ok

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Though it's lazy and dismissive to say "everything works up to 32," it's worth discussing how to make that actionable advice.
everything works up to 40 now

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dusa

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Strategy inflation

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 9:54 PM

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soon enough people will be doing streaks at 58 right folks

nova goblet Jul 31, 2020, 10:02 PM

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imo if u ignore heart of stone ur playing the game wrong shadeeyeroll

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 10:03 PM

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bouldy boons are the core foundation of high heat runs

nova goblet Jul 31, 2020, 10:03 PM

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exactly

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Ambiguity bonus measures how ambiguous it is that Bouldy is carrying the run

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 10:04 PM

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In what way is punishing sweep (Hades) different from the normal spear sweep?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Much wider range.

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I need to compare it to Massive Spin.

nova goblet Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 PM

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yeah, sure, u can talk to sisyphus for """coins""" like a nerd or buck up and get that +4% ambiguity bonus

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 PM

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No, see, you gift Bouldy first and then talk to Sisyphus 'cause sometimes Bouldy will drop you a sweet +9 or 10% Obol Uup.

nova goblet Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 PM

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wait like fr??

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I got 9% coin bonus the other day, I didn't even know Bouldy could do that. Who needs Charon

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Yeah, Bouldy gives many different bonuses.

nova goblet Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

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bro... my highest bonus was i think +9% dmg but i didnt know he also affects coin drops

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 10:07 PM

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the obol boost is weirdly potent sometimes over the course of the whole run

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:07 PM

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^

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Obol boosts are always potent in Tartarus.

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Like getting a Chaos Affluence and the Loyal Customer card?

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You're walking out with everything.

nova goblet Jul 31, 2020, 10:08 PM

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i can see that, like getting side hustle in tartarus, even at its common rarity, gets huge payout

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 10:08 PM

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big spender zag comin through

nova goblet Jul 31, 2020, 10:12 PM

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i remember back when i first started it took my like 20 attempts to even escape tartarus but now its like. if i lose more than 1 death defiance over the course of hades wha am i doing wrong

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Yuuup.

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I never kept footage of me when I was first learning Devil May Cry and it's for similar reasons.

inner ivy Jul 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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any thoughts on abyssal vs burning blood?

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im partial to more deeps, but some dmg reduction does seem nice too....

unkempt pagoda Jul 31, 2020, 11:43 PM

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i've always used boiling blood, speed reduction doesn't really do it for me

inner ivy Jul 31, 2020, 11:43 PM

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i was thinking that too

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and im guessing most of you guys take take gods legacy over gods pride?

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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i actually take pride more, recently

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either is fine honestly

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there are cases where you might be running with Approval Process active and can't count on netting any particular duos or legendaries even if they do appear, because they could get crossed out

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or if having a powerful core boon is more important to a run than getting any duo or legendary, etc.

inner ivy Jul 31, 2020, 11:56 PM

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thats true

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i guess it all depends on what youre trying to run

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hmm. aspect of zag malphon with epic hermes attack speed boon is basically dragon ball z mode

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this is pretty nice

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Ayyyyyyyy.

inner ivy Aug 1, 2020, 12:03 AM

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you guys ever have a really fantastic run going, then just lose it to something stupid?

turbid needle Aug 1, 2020, 12:05 AM

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I've thrown 3 lives with Hunting Blades before against Hades, yes.

static jacinth Aug 1, 2020, 12:06 AM

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Many times.

inner ivy Aug 1, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Oof

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How did you managed that one?

turbid needle Aug 1, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Kept walking into Dad's attacks.

unkempt pagoda Aug 1, 2020, 12:57 AM

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my stupid habit is using companion rib on dad and still standing in the range of his spin

last panther Aug 1, 2020, 1:19 AM

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while it's not easy, you can dash -> dash-strike -> dash-upper with malphon

mighty ermine Aug 1, 2020, 1:23 AM

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yep

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the time frame isn't so bad honestly

turbid needle Aug 1, 2020, 1:42 AM

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I really dislike that.

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I dislike how long the Dash-modifier lasts after the Dash animation is over, and I dislike that the modifier can affect multiple actions and isn't "expended" on the first action after Dashing.

hearty elbow Aug 1, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Does Thanatos no longer pause the timer?

unkempt pagoda Aug 1, 2020, 2:25 AM

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still does

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timer starts running after it's over though

hearty elbow Aug 1, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Oh... huh, guess I should have F10'd lol. I thought he got stealth nerfed in Elysium

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Timer ticked down the entire fight

restive solar Aug 1, 2020, 3:38 AM

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so...

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is trapping asterius with the igneus bombs considered a bug?

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he can't pop them or pass through them (even when jumping)

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so you can stand on the other side while he takes damage

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and win without doing anything

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I ask if it's a bug because normally enemies can pop the special

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to be clear, this bug occurred during his mini boss fight only

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It seems to not occur during the elysium fight

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no wait, it does

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theseus can pop them, but not asterius

turbid needle Aug 1, 2020, 5:19 AM

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This is the third time Ares has failed to offer Curse of Drowning, but has instead offered Slicing Shot. I think I'm taking it now.

static jacinth Aug 1, 2020, 5:21 AM

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I've never been super impressed by curse of drowning.

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Am I missing something?

turbid needle Aug 1, 2020, 5:22 AM

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I know it hits extremely hard.

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If you put it on your basic Poseidon cast built, complete with Greater Recall, I can imagine it would do some work.

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But it just will not come together.

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Yeah, it just turned into a Hunting Blades run.

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You ever start a Zeus run and then get Rare Crop less than three Chambers later?

static jacinth Aug 1, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Always nice.

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 5:54 AM

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hmmm... any Guan Yu advice? finding it a bit weird

static jacinth Aug 1, 2020, 5:59 AM

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The special is really good. Try to focus on it.

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 5:59 AM

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hmm okay

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and the spinny heal thing seems not worth trying so far

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Divine Strike and Frost Strike are really good on it if you want a spin-focused build that capitalizes on the healing while providing some safety. Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish are good for Special-focused builds.

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Tempest Flourish can be decent, too. The damage isn't bad at all, and the knockback helps a lot with keeping enemies away from you.

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 6:04 AM

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oof down a DD already on hydra

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that makes sense

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I have deflect special atm

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and knockback attack haha

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Also, if you press Dash while charging your spin, Zagreus will dash forward and then release the spin. That gives you a good amount of extra range on it and more mobility.

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 6:05 AM

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ooh thanks

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that's helpful

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any particular hammers to look for or avoid?

dry ember Aug 1, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Probably avoid the bouncing special

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Unless you are made genius

turbid needle Aug 1, 2020, 6:10 AM

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I think Chain Skewer is disabled by default on Guan Yu.

dry ember Aug 1, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Ah makes sense

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 6:13 AM

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I... AM SO bad with this weapon. oncluding well and boon, used 5 DD already, just hit Asterius WITHOUT Thesius

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2020, 6:14 AM

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There's nothing you need to avoid. I would say the best thing you can do is just try to pick the ones that seem to make the most sense for your build, and just get a feel for how to make the best use of all of them.

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 6:15 AM

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okay, I think that might have actually been the Demeter's cast fault?

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new slow weapon + that cast = confused PaulG

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2020, 6:18 AM

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lol

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Yeah, that's what I mean by getting a feel for how to make the best use of things.

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 6:20 AM

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is that cast... bad?

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Crystal Beam can be pretty good. But it's one of those things where you need to decide on the fly if you want to lean into that build and aim for the Duo Boons that buff it or just drop and forget the crystals while you're spamming specials or . . .

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And, if you're new to the weapon and don't really know how far you can push Crystal Beam with how much commitment, you can't really make informed decisions about that kind of stuff.

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You could try a few runs where you just heavily focus on Crystal Beam to get a feel for that.

last panther Aug 1, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Dear god

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||https://i.imgur.com/QXAeKHN.jpeg||

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rather,

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OH BABY A TRIPLE

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Parting Shot is probably your best choice here, especially since you have potential to get Blizzard Shot (if you don't already have it anyway).

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Unshakable Mettle is great, though.

dire wedge Aug 1, 2020, 6:54 AM

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I like to run around with Stubborn Roots while kiting the last enemy in a room just to gain back all my health.

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 7:01 AM

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being out of DD is to oscary haha

last panther Aug 1, 2020, 7:05 AM

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I can't remember the last time I was down to 1 or 0 death defies GWmythiMonkaT

pseudo stream Aug 1, 2020, 7:07 AM

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happens when I bumrush the last boss with a pure melee build that does so much damage that I get greedy

clever matrix Aug 1, 2020, 9:00 AM

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the archives should have descriptions for the boons (including percentages) cause I remember getting really high damage for an aspect of nemesis run but am too lazy to look up the boons myself

livid dew Aug 1, 2020, 9:57 AM

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what are some decent builds with aspect of nemesis. i started trying it and just beat a 20 heat run with it just going straight aphro+ the hammer boon that heals you when you attack. i assume an artemtis/athena combo would also be decent. are there any other fun god boons or hammer boons i should try for aspect of nemesis?

gleaming current Aug 1, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Aphro/arty attack and athena dash is pretty much the most straightforward and rather effective build for nemesis

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As for other fancies, hmm

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Cruel Thrust makes you a Bass Cannon
(not really effective but close to 100% crit with huge dmg is fun)

spring turret Aug 1, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Double-edge is the obvious nemesis sword hammer but yeah im trying out cruel thrust a bit more on higher heats and i think atleast dmg-wise if you can get the crit (and thats most likely going to happen with nemesis +30% and thrust 40% crit chance) it is comparable (sometimes even better if you dont have both dashes) to double edge in dmg.

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Shadow slash is a good secondary hammer with any of these

livid dew Aug 1, 2020, 10:11 AM

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btw how good is hoarding slash i used it once with aspect of arthur and i couldnt tell if i was getting that strong and i was hoarding around 2k coins

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cruel thrust seems good but dont you want to be dashing around a lot with nemesis

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cause you squishy and close combat

spring turret Aug 1, 2020, 10:12 AM

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double edge is definitely better but im thinking of niche scenarios

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when u dont have 2 dashes

livid dew Aug 1, 2020, 10:13 AM

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ah okay thats fair

spring turret Aug 1, 2020, 10:13 AM

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hoarding in my experience is pretty mediocre it scales poorly with gold

main osprey Aug 1, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Hoarding Slash is great with 5k obol 👀

spring turret Aug 1, 2020, 10:13 AM

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it requires alot of gold to do much

livid dew Aug 1, 2020, 10:14 AM

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during my nemesis run i didnt see double edge but i had cursed slash and piercing wave which felt nice. does the piercing shot also get crit chance cause its part of your attack?

main osprey Aug 1, 2020, 10:15 AM

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I think it gets global crit % but not attack crit %? Not certain

gleaming current Aug 1, 2020, 10:32 AM

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It isn't base attack dmg but just 25 dmg so it's safe to assume it's an added effect and doesn't actually scale with attack modifiers including crit

gray moon Aug 1, 2020, 10:55 AM

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what's the opinion on Fists? It seems to be like they should hit a little harder, given that you basically have to be in the enemy face (unlike, say a Spear which hits halfway across the screen)

static jacinth Aug 1, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Generally that they're fairly good.

idle ingot Aug 1, 2020, 1:05 PM

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my favourite weapon so far 😄

narrow rampart Aug 1, 2020, 1:27 PM

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fists are great; I find myself liking and regularly using every fist aspect

hearty elbow Aug 1, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Yeah, they're all great. The base damage is good, the mobility and speed are good. They all have Merciful End in their pocket so they have to be good by default, but lots of builds work.

Arty Special + Aphro attack + Divine Dash on Demeter aspect with Kinetic Launcher is easily one of my favorite builds. DBZ mode engaged.

ionic kettle Aug 1, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Took to long before i realized i could just hold down X to constantly attack which made me focus better on mobs. Also on some occasions rooms with enemies getting surrounded by poison can be harder as it lacks good range

hearty elbow Aug 1, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Poison is very dangerous yeah, but Long Knuckle goes a long (heh) way to easing you into the playatyle. I think once you acclimate to playing in point blank melee range other hammers (Breaching Cross, Concentrated Knuckle, the special hammers) become more appealing for their high multipliers

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Quick question. How do you refresh your rewards for each boss?

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Or they don't get refreshed?

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:10 PM

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You’ll stop getting darkness once you ||beat the game once||, which will give you some options for ways to refresh the rewards

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Stop getting darkness?

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No I mean like the titan blood and diamond

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Those

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:12 PM

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After you beat the game then you’ll have options to turn on which will start making diamonds and blood drop again. Darkness is that purple stuff that bosses drop after you beat them the first time.

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Really?! I have already beaten the game and got the heat gauage going

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But when I use the same weapon sometimes the reward is just darkness

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Except for hades

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Yeah, then as long as the gauge says “heat gauge full” then you should be getting drops

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Wihcih give titan blood

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Maybe I just died somewhere and forgot

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Probably. The pact where you turn on the heat shows you which rewards you have left to get on that heat level

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They’ll be greyed out with a little green check mark if you have them already

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I see. So as long as I clear the stage, the rewards should be refreshed with the heat gauage on

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Yea. As long as you see “heat gauge filled!” And look below it for which rewards you will get, then the game should tell you what you need to know

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Got it

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Also, any tips for using shield?

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I have no luck in surviving

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Are you using an aspect for it? Otherwise no, except for learning how different attack hitboxes work so you can block them.

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I was trying the Zeus aspect

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Do you usually go with regular attack or the bulk rush?

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:19 PM

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The attack is pretty good, and the throw is great for spreading status effects. Aspect of Zeus is... okay but chaos is significantly better. I use the attack a lot. The bull rush is nice for mobility and initiation but it’s really mostly there for the blocking while charging it

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Ahh, let me try thr chaos one

tepid ridge Aug 1, 2020, 4:20 PM

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It requires a few levels to get really good tbf, but I enjoy the play style

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If you keep with Zeus, I’ve heard Dio or Demeter on it is pretty good

keen zealot Aug 1, 2020, 4:25 PM

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It's very hard to control the special on Zeus

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It doesn't stay long enough to do e ough dmg

random hull Aug 1, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Run away from it after recalling and it will follow you like a sheep.

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Or throw - block - recall in quick succession.

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That thing takes different approaches depending on the movement of the enemy.

inner ivy Aug 1, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i lost a run cause my controller died in the middle of the witches circle...

cunning urchin Aug 1, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Esc to pause.

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There've been a lot of complaints about that. I'm sure they'll add an automatic pause if your controller dies by 1.0.

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Meanwhile, you can upvote this feedback for it. squirtnya #hades-feedback message

turbid needle Aug 1, 2020, 9:07 PM

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@hoary slate There is a small flash on the Call Gauge as well as a sound effect whenever it charges. It's not super loud, but it's happening roughly every five seconds so better that it's not too noticeable.

willow fossil Aug 2, 2020, 12:32 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/LkiLrFG.png

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mmmhmmm thanthink

rare kayak Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 AM

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getthe blood

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also acorn is better than tooth

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in terms of damage

willow fossil Aug 2, 2020, 4:41 AM

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meh, acorn rewards pro play, tooth is more of my "get out of jail free" card

frank tide Aug 2, 2020, 4:43 AM

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the hardest attacks to deal with from [redacted] as a noob are the spins and acorn shaves off waaay more spin damage than tooth lets you tank

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:46 AM

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on average acorn prevents 120 - 150 damage
it can however prevent more depending on what you get hit by most

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so often it's a more efficient "get out of jail free card"

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 4:48 AM

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It could also block 20 damage if you run into the butterfly summon

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:3

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I agree that it's better than Tooth for Styx though

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Sometimes I will take Spearpoint over Acorn

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:49 AM

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yeah spearpoint is also a good option, especially with spearpoint being active before the boss fight :3

willow fossil Aug 2, 2020, 4:51 AM

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wait wdym before boss fight?

turbid needle Aug 2, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Spearpoint is always active.

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The Acorn only works in boss fights, so you're effectively not wearing a Keepsake for all but one Chamber in each biome.

willow fossil Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 AM

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oh i see now

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guess ill level up my spear see how it works for me

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 4:54 AM

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And Spearpoint is really good against poison

modest steppe Aug 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Aspect of Chaos: what are the best boons and hammer upgrades for it?

clever matrix Aug 2, 2020, 6:15 AM

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residentzag just wanna kill my dad already so i can do another run

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 6:17 AM

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@modest steppe Athena special is good, so is Demeter, Dionysus, Ares

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Zeus, Dio and Ares are probably the most used.

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In that order

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 6:30 AM

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For hammers, I recommend Ferocious Guard and Empowering Flight.

unkempt pagoda Aug 2, 2020, 6:30 AM

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honestly any god can work on chaos

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Yeah lol

unkempt pagoda Aug 2, 2020, 6:31 AM

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personally i recommend sudden rush to get your specials out faster and make you more mobile

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:31 AM

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I remember someone saying that Artemis didn't really work on Chaos because of the low base damage, but I remember being excited to pick Deadly Flourish on my first 32 ever and crushing it.

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 6:31 AM

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You can put anything on attack - aim for something that enables a duo you want later.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:31 AM

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DIdn't know better, apparently doesn't matter much until extremely high heat

unkempt pagoda Aug 2, 2020, 6:31 AM

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most special hammers only proc on the main special shield, so you want something else for hammers

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:32 AM

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I personally like Sudden Rush the most

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Do not take Dread Flight.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:32 AM

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RIght, that's also a huge trap

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I really like Charged Shot with Dio special (assuming you're doing Ares or Aphro attack for the duos)

dire wedge Aug 2, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Why not Dread Flight? More time bouncing between enemies means less time charging and rushing?

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:34 AM

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The shield takes longer to return, and it only applies to the main shield.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:34 AM

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It doesn't really... work. The bounces are superfluous and it could randomly leave you unable to block for longer

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:35 AM

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So you're block-less till it comes back.

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Chaos shield special is already going to let you hit most enemies anyway.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:36 AM

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It was my most used Hammer for a long time when I started playing, but it definitely speaks to the aspect's power that I didn't really notice it handicapping my runs

dire wedge Aug 2, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Ah, figured.

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Now that I think about it yeah it did handicap some of my runs zaglol

clever matrix Aug 2, 2020, 6:37 AM

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I remember someone saying that Artemis didn't really work on Chaos because of the low base damage, but I remember being excited to pick Deadly Flourish on my first 32 ever and crushing it.
I thought this was saying you get to fight Chaos at some point but remembered the aspects

dire wedge Aug 2, 2020, 6:37 AM

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'Wait why am I not blocking ye- nooooooo'

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Lol yeah I thought it was just a feature of the shield or something. Surely they wouldn't just put a hammer that was almost a strict downside in the pool

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Deadly Flourish isn't the -worst- thing.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Nothing is the worst thing on Chaos, that's why it's great

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:38 AM

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It's just not the best option.

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But I bet you could do some really cheeky build there with Artemis's god gauge gain per crit with it.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:38 AM

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It still works phenomenally with Support Fire, which the boon pre-reqs for

unkempt pagoda Aug 2, 2020, 6:39 AM

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imagine trying to fight chaos with their own shield lol

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:39 AM

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I don't want to fight Chaos though. Master Chaos is my friend.

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Oh right, the god gauge gain would be immense. Chaos already charges super fast, but that I have to try out.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Some cheeky Athena's Aid Deadly Reversal build

unkempt pagoda Aug 2, 2020, 6:39 AM

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"you are extremely dumb, son of hades"

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Honestly, Artemis has probably my favorite set of boons.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Lol, that's because she's the best girl

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Everything is lovely. Except for Hunter's Mark.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Hunter's Mark is soooo good as a support boon though

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Can't rely on it but it makes runs a lot smoother

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For no cost really

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:41 AM

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It's not bad for helping clear rooms at all. It's a lot like the Ares boon that triggers per kill.

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But it just... Bothers me at how hard it is to make use of it in boss fights. I know it shouldn't, but it does.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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It used to actually apply Hunter's Mark to the target

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That was... not balanced

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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I remember this beta Artemis boon that gave you obol for killing a specific enemy. Whatever happened to that? Too complicated to use? Never got to test it out.

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Yeah no, I can understand that.

dire wedge Aug 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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I guess it's just a feature of the boon, better for rooms, bad with bosses

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Still better than Hydraulic Might.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Hydraulic Might's interaction with Styx is pretty amusing

dire wedge Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 AM

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I remember this beta Artemis boon that gave you obol for killing a specific enemy. Whatever happened to that? Too complicated to use? Never got to test it out.
I remember that. I took it once and barely felt it

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Doesn't it only work on the very first room of a path?

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Yeeeep

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Poseidon's boons feel like they need a touch up.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 AM

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They do, yeah. He's the worst god by a decent margin

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 AM

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He probably doesn't need two boons that both reward you for slamming enemies into barriers.

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Especially since you can't do that to bosses.

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They're really good for room clearing, sure. But you really don't need two.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Poseidon's Aid is fine for most builds. Flood Shot is probably up there as far as general purpose utility casts. Tidal Dash is nice free AoE damage if that's something you want.

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The rest of it... not so good

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 6:45 AM

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He has many boons that would work nice in a mono god build, but few do that nowadays.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:45 AM

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I mean his best boon is Sea Storm lol

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:45 AM

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His base boons are pretty handy. Even Tempest Strike and Flourish can fit well.

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His Duos are generally pretty solid.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:45 AM

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So it requires you to take 2 awkward gods to roll the dice at a combo that makes a bad build usable

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:46 AM

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If I could hold onto a god's keepsake and force them to appear again, mono god builds would be a lot more tolerable.

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Though I guess there is a good reason you can't do that.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:46 AM

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They'd have to put a rider or something to prevent Athena from being picked lol

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Because Gods know I would literally never that thing off if that were the case

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:47 AM

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I mean, once you have the dash and the Aid, you don't really -need- much more Athena.

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Though her legendary is real nice.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:47 AM

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I play a lot with Stubborn Defiance

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Athena is always desired

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:48 AM

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For Last Stand and Deathless Stand?

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Until the point where I get Dash, Aid, DD x2, Phalanx Shot, and Brilliant Riposte, I'm always picking Athena

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People who sleep on Phalanx Shot are just dead wrong. It is gross how much sheer utility that thing has.

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:49 AM

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I like Phalanx shot a lot.

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It does pretty solid damage as well, even if it's on the slower side.

dire wedge Aug 2, 2020, 6:50 AM

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He probably doesn't need two boons that both reward you for slamming enemies into barriers.
They could combine the additional wall slam damage and knock back boss damage into one boon and call it a day

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:50 AM

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There is something beautiful about having a button that lets you approach Greatbows or Greatshields without reprise

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:51 AM

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Also, am I bad, or are Elysium Erebus rooms usually five flavors of crazy?

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:52 AM

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BP2 FO2 HL5, with TD2 forcing you to play aggressively? Yeeep

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Even at 15 heat I don't want to touch Elysium Erebus rooms

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That problem just gets worse

dire wedge Aug 2, 2020, 6:55 AM

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I don't touch Elysium Erebus with a ten-foot pole

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 6:55 AM

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Not just me then.

barren otter Aug 2, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Yeah, Elysium Erebus rooms aren't a good time, especially if there are butterfly balls that spam the entire arena with tiny butterflies.

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I also never go into Erebus rooms if I don't have a ranged attack (so no sword or fists without special hammers)

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One time I entered an Erebus gate in Elysium with Demeter fists and kinetic launcher hammer, it had a Megagorgon in it and I was kiting it and chipping away its health for like 2 minutes, not risking going melee at all.

modest steppe Aug 2, 2020, 7:03 AM

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@main osprey thanks mate!

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oh, another quick question: if I start a run with Artemis' keepsake, and, after killing the Furies, I don't change it, will my first boon in asphodel be artemis as well?

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Nope.

barren otter Aug 2, 2020, 7:05 AM

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nope, god keepsakes only force that god to show up once, though you keep the +rarity% bonus

modest steppe Aug 2, 2020, 7:05 AM

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oh, i see

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thanks!

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 7:05 AM

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We were talking about that just a bit ago!

solemn pumice Aug 2, 2020, 7:52 AM

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I’m really bad at tight deadline but I’m using it against with exagryph just for the challenge. I ran out of time before I reached Theseus (because I just had to fight Charon for the prophecy) but I somehow survived by spamming Artemis triple bomb. So I’m going into the temple of styx with badly hurt and with no DDs... any tips? Or is it over for me?

inner ivy Aug 2, 2020, 8:42 AM

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how does lightning rod duo boon work?

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Lightning Rod will cause lightning bolts around cast stones that lie in the field every so often. It only works with Infernal Soul (non-regenerating casts)

inner ivy Aug 2, 2020, 11:02 AM

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ah

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it was kinda neat, didnt really seem too great though. was slightly useful against hades tho

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 11:05 AM

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It's one of the less useful duos, but it's possible to get good mileage out of it with Exit Wounds and Poseidon or Hera.

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As usual with lightning bolt effects, High Voltage and Double Strike are very helpful.

barren otter Aug 2, 2020, 12:38 PM

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Had a run where I picked up Aphrodite's call right before Theseus and Asterius (EM3) and damn, after using the call when Asterius was doing his huge spin spin attack, he hit Theseus for half of his health in one swoop, that's insane.

iron shale Aug 2, 2020, 2:49 PM

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does cruel thrust work on dash strike

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Well, no, only the 3rd attack in combo

iron shale Aug 2, 2020, 2:50 PM

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thx

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 3:55 PM

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This makes me eternally salty

https://imgur.com/8UUX29g

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That's a couple of frames after the landing too, so the pink ring is just smidge bigger than it started

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 3:59 PM

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The smash hitbox-visuals duo is definitely wonky, and sadly not in player's favor rn

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Im still mad the fact that they murdered dual shot

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Its now so bad

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Poseidon had to have some use

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Its even worse on them

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Infact possy got better not because of the mirage shot it was because hydraulic might

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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That's a hot take

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Super beneficial with plume run

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Also curse of drowning (i think that's what it's called)

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Yep

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Hydraulic might + any chamber with delay is 4Weird

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Dual shot and Artemis in general got murdered in this update

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Hydraulic Might has uses, but it also diluted the pool so now Poseidon's Aid is just a smidge harder to get

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Which I consider an overall nerf

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It also currently doesn't have uses in Styx lol, but that's likely to change

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Yeah

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But again plume runs

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Speeeeed

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:07 PM

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More like "Dodged"

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I mean the rate to clear rooms

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:08 PM

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dodged the death barge plume deadline by 0.5 secs that is

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Deadline stubborn root plume Lul

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Cant die

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Sadly Hyrdaulic Might doesn't help too much with Damage Control and it's pretty severely handicapped by small enemies with Armor

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:09 PM

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It helps with possy low dmg

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If you juan trick him

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But tbh i would love to see the level upgrade increase is the duration

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Rather than the damage

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:10 PM

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That would fix most of the issues I have with it, yeah

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Also affecting casts

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Or all damage

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Yeah

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Watch me hydraulic might love shotgun with poss sword

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:10 PM

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The feedback suggestion to make it start ticking upon first hittting an enemy is also solid

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:11 PM

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It might be very cheesy with pos sword though

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:11 PM

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It is just entirely too inflexible and does nothing a vast majority of the time in its current state

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:11 PM

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If the hydraulic might affects cast

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Yeah same goes for mirage shot

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Its a garbo duo

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Mirage Shot is always a strict improvement though...

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Nah when you get epic ones it increases by 45%

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And it was more versatile

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You can use it on any cast

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Dual shot as it was pre blood price was both too easy to get and did too much for how easy you could get it

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Now its either flood shot, or true shot

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Yeah but now restricted by which cast you can get, and limited damage that requires prequisites to get it?

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It murdered it so hard

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I'm pretty sure I've been offered Mirage Shot with only base cast before in this patch

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Oh and afaik it has the most restricted prequsites

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Either arty or possy cast/special

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Huh, nope, looked at the pre-reqs, guess that wasn't possible. Probably sold it something

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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For merely 30% damage increase

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Like

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Why

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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According to the duo chart it's any core for posei with any core minus dash for arti

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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30% multiplicative

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that's not nothing

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I rather get fully loaded

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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The nerf was noticable, but 30% more base damage is still significant.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:18 PM

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200% damage

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Or hell. Blow Kiss love shotgun with fully loaded

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Now you call that damage

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 4:19 PM

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And it does work with every cast.

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Except Curse of Drowning.

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I like mirage shot where it is now, could it be tweaked, sure but it's not as restrictive as you're making it out to be

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:20 PM

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If it were 45-50% then it deserves to be a duo

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But nope

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30

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Mirage shot doesn't even, show up if you have curse of drowning

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I dont even like curse of drowning

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Its like the cheaper version of ice wine

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God i hope they dont nerf ice wine

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Its so good

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Or else i lose all reason to take dio ever again

untold vortex Aug 2, 2020, 4:25 PM

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You're comparing it to something that's arguably overpowered where dual shot existed previously, at most mirage shot being bumped up to 40% would be incredible.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Tbh ice wine is still really good even without dual shot

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Shh you see nuthin

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Oh and while we debating casts in general

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Gran gran please get a better cast

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Mirage Shot is pretty good.

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What's the problem?

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Most of the boons in the game state they have stack limits like 5 hangover and 10 chill but why does doom not have one?

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Doom has a stack limit. Of 1.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Because it's boolean

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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lol

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it has a stack limit of 1 but the boon that says it does more damage if applied more

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Or infinite if you have dire misfortune smug

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That's probably what you meant

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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yeah

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Because Dual shot was a thing

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Yeah it's already been feedback'd that Dire Misfortune should give you a stack count

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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lol

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that's freaking awesome

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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But do you need to know how many stacks of fire misfortune you've got up?

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You apply however many you do, then damage happens.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Nah haha red dagger goes splooge

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Yeah pretty much lol

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Tbh i would rather it increase by percentage so ares special can actually benefit it for once

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Because Dual shot was a thing
@hybrid galleon Something being better before does not make it bad now. There are so many duos that don't do anything, ever, like Lightning Rod, which is a trap I'm convinced is designed to punish players who try to stack Lightning with Pressure Points/Support Fire. Mirage Shot will always do something.

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I got dash strike x2 +30 damage and then can dash +3 times boon from hermes and it all deals doom damage :😍

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IT'S THE DOOM TRAIN

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I am rather indifferent on whether it gets number or not ngl
Neither situation helps me with calculating whether a foe will survive the doom damage afterwards

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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...

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Lightning rod is a good boon though.

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Zap zap.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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That's the hottest take I've read today haha

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Picking lightning rod proves you are 1 hr into the game

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:32 PM

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ah, lightning rod discussions residentzag

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Its like taking m249 thinking it is a good weapon for how expensive it is in csgo

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Lul

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:32 PM

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You're free to insult me if you want to, but that doesn't actually prove your point 😄

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Point is its garbage

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Man if only blade rifts could inflict more doom I would be so happy.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I rather it zaps whoever got embed by yoir kidney stone

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Also, I wouldn't say that, about it meaning you're 1 hour in the game. It sells for 400+, and removes itself from the pool for future Zeus and Artemis boons

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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That's not an argument.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Those are great plusses

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I did that with the posedian fishing rod

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410 gold when sold

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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It makes a great throwaway boon

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Lul

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Well I like it. It's nice to have a bunch of bloodstones doing damage when they fall out.

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Zap zap.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Nice troll

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Whatever makes you happy I guess.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Remember to be respectful. Somebody disagreeing with you doesn't make them a troll. squirtnya

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I would explain why its terrible but i currently lack the energy for it

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Well, if you took Lightning Rod, it would zap you right up, and you would have energy. dusa

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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But if you want to meme its a great boon to do that

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Zap zap.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Nah. I would take ice wine to refresh mysepf

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I would enjoy Lightning Rod more if it wasn't so easy to pick up your casts again

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For builds that don't ever want to cast, like most Zeus

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:37 PM

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At least zeus is now viable with the smoldering air and god forbid clouded judgement

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Zeus cleared 53 heat with neither of those :3

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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It would actually be helpful vs the Clone Army in Tartarus. But you'll never have it there lol.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Now i dont feel like punching myself everytime i see the lightning symbol

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Combo with aphro call pog

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Which weapon on which heat

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Oh and is it lucifer pre lightning strike nerf

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Hm? There are only two clears at 53 Heat lol.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yeah i really dont dabble into high heat yet

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Lol

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Care to explain

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:40 PM

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That's fine, I was merely correcting your usage of the word "viable"

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Because clearly Zeus is viable without those boons

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Haelian used Chaos Aspect with Thunder Flourish and Jolted.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Right

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Jolted is still good

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But lightning flourish?

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Yes.

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Yeah Jolted is great

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Did zeus special strike multiple times with chaos clone shields

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:42 PM

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On the way back I think, yes, but only once on the way out. Someone else should confirm though I've been having trouble gauging this myself

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I never use lightning flourish for how poor the damage is compared to its peer on weapons that i usually use so idk

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Fork gang unite

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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All the shields can proc lightning bolts from Thunder Flourish—but only once every 200 msec on each enemy.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Only forks

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Ok wow

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Shields can have that but chiron doesnt?

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Really

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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@cunning urchin Thanks, that makes sense for what I've observed, since the returns are usually staggered

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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It works the same on every aspect.

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Because shields strike with more paced out timing

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Chiron, too.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Chiron only strikes once

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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No, it can definitely strike twice on weirder trajectories

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Well, if chiron shots are spread out more they do hit more than once

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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only once every 200 msec on each enemy

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Yeah its kind of impossible on chiron unless you reaaally try to basically backshot ig

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Although, while it does work the same on every aspect, some get innate (dis)advantage due to multi-hit timings

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:45 PM

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But sure people will work on that

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At least shield have slower travel time

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So ig the 200ms is more forgiving on their side

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Lightning Strike and Thunder Flourish are also important boons for dealing with Damage Control.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I do wonder does that mean zeus shield can trigger it multiple times when it speens

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:48 PM

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It should

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Lightning Strike and Thunder Flourish are also important boons for dealing with Damage Control.
@cunning urchin ig but muh damage

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:48 PM

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You can't deal damage through Damage Control hearts anyway lol.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Zeus damage is pitiful without rail and rail is probably the only time zeus show up i dont feel like commit toaster fork

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Yeah. Tho kinda sacrifice a lot of damage tho if your weapon is capable to do damage

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Zeus attack is also good with Fist

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And Flourish is good with a couple of build as we've mentioned

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Ig i will try

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Without jolted i feel pain and only pain

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:51 PM

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You don't sacrifice damage if you focus your damage on e.g. Special and get Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike on Attack to deal with DC2.

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Zeus will always scale the most with Zeus though. I usually try to supplement damage with Pressure Points/Support Fire

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Is drunken strike viable that isnt blue

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Define viable.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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How

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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50 heat Serrated Point Hades was completed recently with Drunken Strike

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Combined with what duo

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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No duos at that heat

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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The aphro dio duo

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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(typically)

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Huh

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Approval Process and Routine Inspection 1 make getting duo boons very difficult, and certainly not reliably. So it was literally just Drunken Strike

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Did they take timed run because how can they defeat on time

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Because drunken strike takes a lot of time to deal damage

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:53 PM

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You can watch the run :3 It's linked in the google sheet pinns to #h1-high-heat-strategies

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I did 49 with Drunken Flourish on Rama

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Jesus christ

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How do you play rama

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Rama makes me sick

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Hangover is great for DPS. Hit things, move on to the next enemy, and let Hangover kill them all off.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I play hera mostly and chiron for fun but rama i cant rapid perfect and gets too staggered

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Most people's mistakes with Rama are that they don't focus on spreading the special, and they try to get power shots, which is just unnecessary

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I tried to focus special but i still kind of need that shared pain damage

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Hence whenever i draw i just get staggerdd

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It frustrates me a lot

charred pilot Aug 2, 2020, 4:56 PM

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So I think I'm making Lightning Rod work, 400 damage every second it's doing right now.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Blown Kiss love shotgun deals 600 dmg if you combine it right tho

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Shrug. I find Hades aspect grossly unplayable but Taileque did it at 50 so I'm obviously not going to make a blanket statement that it's trash

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Hades is okay

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Since spin is not a real move unless you wish to get barraged

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But hey small spin while moving thats fun

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 4:59 PM

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hey when does the new weekly challenge start?
Today or tmr?

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Tomorrow, judging by pin's date

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Today or tomorrow, yes. squirtnya

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Whats that

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:00 PM

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hmm thanks 😊

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Tbh i wish they buff spear spin just a bit faster

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So we can combo into it

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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its a weekly challenge that the mods(?) of the server come up with

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if check pinned msgs i think the website is alos there

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Not mods, no.

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Quick Spin by default on spears when smug

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Spear is all about the combos baby thats why i love spear even if its kinda bad compared to others

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Quick Spin by default on spears when :smug:
@gleaming current yes

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Git gud with spears when. dusa

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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then spear becomes too op in my regard

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Obviously

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I think Varatha is in a very good place now.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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But i want the spear to have slightly faster spin is all

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I always feel like a big 'ol dummy when I get hit with projectiles with Divine Dash and epic Greatest Reflexes lol

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Not instantaneously as quick spin would

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@hearty elbow so you're saying you're self-aware. dusa

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:03 PM

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well the happens to all of us @hearty elbow , i lost to hades of all ppl with athena legendary

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 5:03 PM

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:3 Yep

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:03 PM

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More like greatest reflex just say

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No

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Blocks then 10 damage but doesnt block 45

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Luck 0 moment

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Greatest Reflex: stonks

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Oh and i did something dumb today which the game rolled witches miniboss while i have divine dash

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And i basically just...

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Dash

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:08 PM

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well the witches are ez when you have an athena boon like divine strike or divine flourish

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Yeah and you can meme to win is just fun

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I didnt use any abilities other than dash

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If 1.0 rolled out can they make this as an achievement

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Kill a miniboss with just divine dash

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:09 PM

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kill an enemy using only dashes?

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could be eefective

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Heck yea

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Dash build wheb

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:10 PM

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well thats called an aspect of nemesis build

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:10 PM

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The "No U" achievement

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Memesis

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Or spear in general lmfap

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Spear is just dash strike 100%

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:11 PM

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how far r u in the game?

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:11 PM

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25 heat

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:11 PM

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ooh nice

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:11 PM

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As spear

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:12 PM

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4th aspect was my highest

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Lol

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Im zag spear

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:12 PM

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but then aspect of demeter just popped in and said hello

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:12 PM

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GY is too chees5

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Ah yes

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Press Q to execute

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Grandma mittens

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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lol for me my special is rebinded to my right mouse button

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makes more sense for cast to be Q

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Lol how

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I cant aim without mouse

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:14 PM

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just git gud

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I rely a lot on my mouse

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Hence m2 stays cast

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:14 PM

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you can still hold Q and aim to shoot

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:14 PM

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With off acc ig

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:15 PM

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i mostly cast with demeter or dio

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:15 PM

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To each other preference ig. Ive used to m2 for somethinf aim

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:15 PM

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cast isnt really a thing for me

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Since i play counter strike too much

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:15 PM

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same

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Did you scope with q then

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Lol

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:16 PM

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well u only click once

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and with high senstivity

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I smell spinbot

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:16 PM

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~~aimbot~~

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lol

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:16 PM

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And walls

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God this guy is jumping from ivy

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All the way

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:17 PM

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no cheatsy doodles from me though

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Admin: hes legit

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:17 PM

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still play cs?

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Time to time

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To go back to stomp children

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In riot's china carbon copy version too

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:18 PM

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hmm same situation, only when my friends r in the mood though

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what?

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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~~valorant~~

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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ohhhhh

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or do u mean league of warcraft overwatch global offensive

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Anyway before mods vibe check us

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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hades hades hades hades

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should be good now

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Quick, start discussin lightning rod potential
zap zap

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Hades FPS

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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oh god hades VR

tepid ridge Aug 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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What potential? squirtdevious

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Zag be using AK47

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And bhop his way out

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Electric one
idk im not a physics scientist

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:21 PM

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phoon time

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:21 PM

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And then hades juan deag him at mid

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Hades: gg ez

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Rather surprising that Ares, god of war, couldn't provide his kin with better tools of kill than some beyblades and weird hanging swords

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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BEYBLADE BEYBLADE

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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hey bro dont diss the beyblade

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LET THEM RIP

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Son dont diss the beyblade

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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DC2 doesn't exist with them so they neat

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Jesus used beyblade to part the red sea into two

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Before he split your ass in half as well

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:23 PM

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yikes

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jesus dosent play around

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Ares: I have gun

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Ares new legendary, now he gives you a Glock

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:24 PM

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or GS3Gi

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/ scar

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Nah glock has better meme value

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His call is him autosniper down dust 2 mid

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What a filthy silver

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:25 PM

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As long as it works

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Then he should p90 rush b

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Call is switching on aimbot with awp

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:26 PM

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It does work on eco so

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:26 PM

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If you eco you take ump

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I'd link the "Parry this" meme here, but it has swearing.

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Thats athena then

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Tbh his legendary is just giving you the kek 9

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@void fjord

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Deflect effects and lasers are just a new iteration of that meme yes

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:29 PM

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lol

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:29 PM

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I still remember when that thing had 48 ammo on it

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Like who in volvo did that

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:30 PM

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gaben

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no guessing abt it

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cause only god thinks of stuff like this

hybrid galleon Aug 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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No doubt. It fires the silver tears and more knife scams

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 5:32 PM

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aight gotta dip

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night

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or morning wherever u live

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Y'know, that canonically makes underworld the internet

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No one knows what time it is

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Gnight for you though dusaHeart

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Sure you do.

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It's 7:48.

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The sundial says so.

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:46 PM

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That's what sundial wants you to think

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It was created by a government with malicious intents

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 5:47 PM

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But I'm the one who made it.

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Still 7:48.

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 5:50 PM

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You didn't make it, you hired contractors to make it

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I take full credit. I earned those gems with blood and sweat.

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Just because you spent blood and sweat on those gems doesn't mean we do smug

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I didn't spend any Titan's Blood on gems

unkempt pagoda Aug 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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there's a lot of reasons to hate MM power couple, but number one has to be the incredibly finicky dash timing for the shockwave

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i can reliably dash over dad's shockwaves but somehow the dire skullcrusher's wave manages to hit every time

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might be enough for me to take off MM tbh

hearty elbow Aug 2, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Lol, I posted a screenshot of me losing a DD to the initial drop hitbox from like a light year away

eternal quartz Aug 2, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Hades Weekly Challenge #8 is over! Congrats to all the Brutes, hope you all had ~~tough ~~ good time!
Here's the link to Hall of Fame: https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/HWC08

Get a Hades Weekly Challenge role in bot-commands server if you want to get pinged about challenges!

Now it's (ex)terminating time; Hades Weekly Challenge #9 - Sanitary Inspection is here!
https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/HWC09

Word has come down from the Styx that the vermin infestation has grown uncomfortably large. While Zagreus would hate to help his father in any way, he may as well inspect and clear out all of the tunnels while he's up there. He'd put to rest some shade's fears, and maybe even get an extra-large treat for Cerberus!

Conditions:

Any Rail
Any Keepsake
Fidi as a companion
Need to clean all the tunnels in Styx

Mirror:
None (Routine Inspection)

Heat:

Jury Summons 3 (Max)
Routine Inspection 4 (Max)

Challenge brought to you by the HWC Committee (Tiank, Firespirit, Tatz)
https://i.imgur.com/5TYw9He.png

Hades-Fansite

HWC08

Hades-Fansite

HWC09

Imgur

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hm, how can we use the Hades Weekly Challenge role to ping others? Is it something only mods can do?

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 8:13 PM

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(Low key your keepsake should be the Harpy's Feather Duster, since you're cleaning up.)

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Routine Inspection 4
That's gotta be really evil, I can smell the screams

eternal quartz Aug 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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It's more serious than cleaning, as it needs to be properly cleaned

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I mean, the Feather Duster will help you clean it

eternal quartz Aug 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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also, any keepake because of RI4

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and JS3

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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ah, fair

stoic thicket Aug 2, 2020, 8:14 PM

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RI4 is nasty nasty nasty.

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Ah well, time to get my mop ready

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squirtyay

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 8:17 PM

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So, does any keepsake mean that switching is allowed?

eternal quartz Aug 2, 2020, 8:17 PM

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yup

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Wait, just noticed that it's Any Rail, there goes my plan of Guan Yu becoming a janitor shadeembarassed

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 8:19 PM

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xD

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 8:20 PM

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There's probably extra flair with choosing Tempest Strike Lucy, but I'm taking Hestia on this one

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Just compensate by taking Tidal Dash
It's closer to the floor, too!

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And washes away the excessive pots, rats, satyrs, everything

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 8:31 PM

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And Ares Aid. Roomba energy.

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 8:34 PM

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roomba energy
Well, now I want to try to build into ares beyblades

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thanks

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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I made it past the barge of death and got sniped by a Dracon. Welp, at least some new Hypnos dialogue.

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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hahaha, nice

errant narwhal Aug 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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eternal quartz Hades Weekly Challenge #8 is over! Congrats to all the Brutes, hope you all had ...

unkempt geyser Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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hey alma while youre here,

errant narwhal Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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hmm. i cant seem to ping the role

unkempt geyser Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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tiank isnt sure how to ping for the challenge role, is pinging that role restricted to mods and above out of curiosity

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oh

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nvm

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LOL

eternal quartz Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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😉

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maybe it's because it's without spaces between roles...?

unkempt geyser Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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shouldnt matter

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 8:45 PM

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maybe mods can't ping @ roles, or the role wasn't set up to be pingable?

errant narwhal Aug 2, 2020, 8:45 PM

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i think this one specifically was supposed to be, for mods

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 8:48 PM

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maybe edit the role to not have spaces?

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shouldn't matter, but it might

unkempt geyser Aug 2, 2020, 8:48 PM

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it shouldnt matter bc ive seen spaced roles pinged without issue, but either way someone has to check permissions

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could test it as HWC or smth

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hopefully that gets fixed later im dipping back out bc i have things to do

errant narwhal Aug 2, 2020, 8:51 PM

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okay there we go

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 8:51 PM

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oh?

errant narwhal Aug 2, 2020, 8:52 PM

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<@&737365219982049411> check the pins for the new weekly challenge!

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Nice it works

errant narwhal Aug 2, 2020, 8:54 PM

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also, you can get this role in #bot-commands if you want to be pinged about future weekly challenges

livid dew Aug 2, 2020, 8:55 PM

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what pacts would you guys recommend if im trying to attempt a 32 heat run with chaos shield?

errant narwhal Aug 2, 2020, 8:55 PM

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thats a good question for #h1-high-heat-strategies!

livid dew Aug 2, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Okay dokey!!

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MB

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 8:59 PM

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"You have a dirty job down there, but I can help you cleaning up a bit!" - Poseidon

eternal quartz Aug 2, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Nice coincidence ;) I mean, I'm not that surprised, The Fates have probably forseen the Weekly Challenges long before Zag was taking his first steps in the Underworld, so the fact that you got that line now was obviously meant to be ;)

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 9:15 PM

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The Fates clearly also foresaw the Exalted mopping the floor with me.

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 9:28 PM

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waht the heck

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I got the same line from Pos

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maybe it's keyed to RI4?

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oooh boy

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atrophic soul

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I'm at 1/11 health

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why did I do this

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I'm gonna get so many new Hypnos lines

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ooh, a new Hades line ~~for dying too quickly~~

cunning urchin Aug 2, 2020, 9:36 PM

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zaglol

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Going mirrorless is really something else. I fear my weekly challenge streak is in danger, because I don't see myself surviving five satyr tunnels + the climax with this. But hey, I earned Meg's begrudging respect!

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 9:45 PM

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@reef galleon I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for. Are you saying the Flame Wheel Release should be cheaper, Flame Wheels should be removed, the Release should be removed? (from #hades-feedback )

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I think remove them from the game

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Also I didn't even know you could get that item

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 9:48 PM

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it's kinda rare

random hull Aug 2, 2020, 9:54 PM

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It's a requirement for a prophecy. I see it as fluff otherwise.

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 9:54 PM

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ooh

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cluster bomb with tempest flourish?

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(zag aspect)

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or I could do explosive fire with deadly strike

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any suggestions?

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Tempest flourish is kind of bad rail.

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 9:56 PM

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~~I know~~

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I missclicked and didn't feel like restarting xD

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explosive fire it is

reef galleon Aug 2, 2020, 10:08 PM

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@main osprey Just tried to convey my experience towards a thing that in my view was kinda not exactly the right way to solve a problem, but in the rules it said to focus on experience and not to propose solutions so it really did end up coming out pretty vague, I guess.

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Alright, fair enough

reef galleon Aug 2, 2020, 10:09 PM

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If I was in charge, I would both make changes to the flame wheels and remove the shop option to get rid of them though.

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In my mind this thing is just making things unnecessarily complicated by implementing a resource exchange for something that is clearly a divisive gameplay element, maybe even a straight up faulty one.

inner ivy Aug 2, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Woah people play mirror less? Jeez

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 10:13 PM

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I mean, look at the current challenge

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but yeah

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 10:15 PM

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@main osprey a good build for hestia is probably zeus atk plus poseidon dash with ares special

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 10:15 PM

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I mean...I'm using Zag aspect >:3

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thanks tho xD

void fjord Aug 2, 2020, 10:16 PM

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It works for both really

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Just no extra dmg on first shot

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 10:16 PM

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OH THANK THE GODS

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a fountain in Elysium

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just reached the Champions in the Weekly Challenge

inner ivy Aug 2, 2020, 10:20 PM

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My god

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That is 100% a hard pass. Boss fights must take forever

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 10:22 PM

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YES

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just beat the champions

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and yeah, it was pretty slow

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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y'know what

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game decided to throw me a 5-sack anyway

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thanks

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alright, about to go fight the big man himself

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wish me luck

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got a jank Artemis build

craggy scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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doing the weekly challenge, should i take acorn or lucky tooth as last keepsake?

gleaming current Aug 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Most definitely acorn as it gives you more effective hp against hades attacks

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Depends on what you got though, obviously

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Also speartip can be handy for clearing out styx in more stable manner while also giving a hand in hades fight at times

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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uuuuh

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he keeps shooting through pillars >.<

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NO

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DANGIT

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so

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artemis attack is useless on rail

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I have learned

dry ember Aug 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Oh i forgot to do this week challenge

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Rip my streak

main osprey Aug 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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you mean last week's?

dry ember Aug 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Yeah

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The Excalibur one

static jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Artemis attack is pretty good on Hestia.