#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 571

eternal quartz Jul 13, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Yes

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:03 AM

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but cant change obol chamber right

eternal quartz Jul 13, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Just don't reroll Obol if you don't want it

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:03 AM

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ok ty

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did you have to put lasting consequences

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Hahaha

eternal quartz Jul 13, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Alright, I'm gonna be at work all day, but if there are any more questions, feel free to ask, but it might take me some of time to respond

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:04 AM

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my b i meant that

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Ooh, yeah

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That's an oucher

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:05 AM

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big yikes

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Does LC affect GY healing?

eternal quartz Jul 13, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Yes, LC are necessary ;)

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:06 AM

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i think so because it affects chtonic vitality

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 6:07 AM

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I don't think LC affects GY

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unless something changed in the bloodprice update

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:07 AM

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GY bypasses LC

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Beautiful

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:08 AM

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or just pick SD like a normal person xD

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:08 AM

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That's also my plan lol

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:11 AM

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SD?

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Stubborn Defiance

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:12 AM

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https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/57qGuohF0bx4UzjEDq97UT4fdkFhA8BWs8taiZHWMow/https/i.imgur.com/Ecq3CDm.jpg?width=1248&height=702

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my old run

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:13 AM

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ohhh ty

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:13 AM

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but the setting should work still

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:13 AM

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thanks

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:13 AM

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you can probably decrease some Hard Labor for some Jury Summons

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:14 AM

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prefer hard labour over jury summons any day of the week

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Heightened Security is also a good one

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you have some wiggle room for sure. just tweak it how you like 😄

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:14 AM

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might increase forced overtime for underworld customs

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ty

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i think the main problem with this challenge is going to buying the titan blood/diamond at the end that are due CF2 almost double their price

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:20 AM

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everything you can

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:21 AM

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you know

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I just realized I posted the pic in the wrong channel

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xD

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I was like did someone remove the posts in high heat

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:21 AM

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That challenge doesn't look very interesting. thanthink

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:22 AM

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that helps alot @main osprey for the clarification

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@dry ember yea lol

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:22 AM

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ah well

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it's thematically interesting

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:23 AM

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I don't think the composition of the challenge fits the theme very well.

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:24 AM

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a cool challenge would be the social distancing challenge

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like only 5 boons total you should end with

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cant go to charon shop (unless forced to)

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use only bow/rail

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Or social distancing, avoid the gods and must sell their boons to "clean yourself"

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:25 AM

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yea

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:26 AM

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That's just a no-boons challenge lol.

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Shh

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Don't tell them that

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:26 AM

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no one will be the wiser

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:26 AM

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the true social distancing is doing it hitless

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Nah

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Just only getting hit by ranged attacks

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No melee hits though

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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yea

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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I wonder

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cast only build

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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and no DD

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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you need to unbind your attack and special

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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I mean, that's reasonable

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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hera aspect ftw

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:27 AM

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Trying to get in touch with your bloody side

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:28 AM

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also it will be regen cast so that you have new ones each time

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and not reusing them

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:28 AM

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That challenge doesn't look very interesting.
How much of this statement is swayed by Lasting Consequences?

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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HL and LC seems very out of place in the challenge. And the Pools of Purging have nothing to do with Charon.

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I was wondering about HL

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I think the Pools are more because Customs? Which is kinda a Charon-adjacent thing?

errant narwhal Jul 13, 2020, 6:30 AM

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I just assumed UC is there because purging boons gives you more money

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:31 AM

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yea makes sense

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hard labour is there cause of the name i feel

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ur 'doing' hard labour

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same for LC

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:32 AM

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it's in the name

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Secret boss fight should be obligatory in a challenge with that name. thanthink

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:32 AM

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there's gonna be lasting consequences

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Lasting Consequences because you own Charon money

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Underworld Customs

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I'm doing Charon fight for the spice

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:33 AM

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fighting charon and winning should make you insta win the challenge (including beating hades)

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:33 AM

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Charon himself has nothing to do with the pact.

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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imagine you own charon money

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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i mean CF is kinda on him

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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The pact is with Hades.

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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so you borrow money from him

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to pay back your debt, with him

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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How to solve debt 101

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 6:34 AM

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I think this is a commentary on the real world financial system

modest zodiac Jul 13, 2020, 6:46 AM

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I FEEL SO DUMB

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I forgot chaos attack hits affect bull rush

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https://imgur.com/a/47yPY2F

Imgur

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oh wow

unkempt pagoda Jul 13, 2020, 7:01 AM

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nice 👀

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 7:01 AM

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either deadly reversal or divine strike

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cause u have 3 DD's

pseudo lark Jul 13, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Imagine getting Duos and Legendaries.

This comment is made by unlucky Routine Inspection Underworld Customs gang.

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 7:02 AM

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and you need to lose them for stubborn roots

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lol i got poseidon legendary in tarturus while having routine inspection

pallid veldt Jul 13, 2020, 7:21 AM

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do hunting blades and freezing vortex stack?

neon bramble Jul 13, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Yes

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You can get both for frozen hunting blades

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Slow frozen hunting blades, mind you

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Wear Talos Malphon. Problem solved.

fervent wave Jul 13, 2020, 10:19 AM

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made a graph to help keep track of whos boons are needed for what duos

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666469960779956228/732177744766566440/Grapduo.png

void fjord Jul 13, 2020, 11:16 AM

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can someone pin this?

atomic jacinth Jul 13, 2020, 11:26 AM

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Hey guys

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Which is better? World Splitter or Double Edge?

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My main attack has +300% to shields

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So World splitter would be better yes?

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Tbh I never really liked world splitter since it messes up the attack animation

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 11:28 AM

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I'd take Double Edge, but maybe you can make World Splitter work better for you.

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 11:28 AM

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So it has to be a decision up to you
Both could work

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Pretty sure dash strikes count as attacks for the boons so they will have bonus armor dmg

atomic jacinth Jul 13, 2020, 11:28 AM

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I'll see a video of world splitter

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If it's weird I'll take double edge

buoyant egret Jul 13, 2020, 11:54 AM

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does targeting system increase all damage taken or is it only for the special

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Has the beta hammer that empowered the last shot of the Rail (reverse Hestia, so to speak) been taken out of the game? It's not on the wiki.

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Final Round? Yeah I haven't seen it lately either.

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 3:08 PM

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iirc it was "replaced" with the said aspect

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 3:53 PM

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What happens if you replace flood shot with another cast after acquiring curse of drowning? Before I potentially waste this choice lol. Thanks!

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 3:56 PM

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No idea. Try it out, and report back to us. dusa

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 3:56 PM

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For science!

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 3:56 PM

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For science! dusa

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 3:57 PM

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It broke my curse of drowning to not work 🤔 Note to self, science sucks sometimes

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Sometimes. zaglol

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 3:57 PM

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dusa

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Thanks for trying that for us!

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 3:58 PM

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My run is fairly b0rked now lol

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Now we know to tell the next person who asks: "You should totally try that out for us and report back!"

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Haha

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I replaced it with Ares, you'd think it would still work at least

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I expected that to happen, but I didn't know.

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Make it throw blade rift's out in pulses

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 4:00 PM

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You could try sacrificing Slicing Shot at a Pool of Purging to get your Flood Shot back the next time you see Poseidon after that.

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Core boons (except call) take priority, so you'll have a high chance of getting a Flood Shot offered from Poseidon if you have a free cast slot.

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 4:01 PM

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At least from a perspective of if it would re-fix the duo to work again... For science!

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Well, it will certainly fix it to work again, but moreso it will be a lot more useful than your Slicing Shot lol.

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Well, managed to sell it and doing a Poseidon room on a4... so fingers crossed

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Sounds good!

full steppe Jul 13, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Can confirm, fixed again 😄

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 4:05 PM

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dusa

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🎉

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🎆

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I suppose it only works with that cast because of balance concerns

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Giving it any resemblance of range is, well... bruh

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 4:43 PM

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@turbid needle what clause are you using for your one heat?

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Some of them can really unexpectedly screw a run. ||looking at you heightened security||

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Extreme Measures

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Ah fair. Then yes, it just takes a while to get used to. The bright side is that Extreme Measures is story relevant and will open some options that make you more powerful. At the beginning Extreme Measures can start your run off on the wrong foot

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I feel like I'm getting better at the 3 furies

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I’ve always liked convenience fee and/or the blue shield for one heat as well, depending on the build.

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Right now it's basically just beat the game again, which I am not good at(keep dying at hades)

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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The Furies are a lot harder with EM1. The great thing is, once you're comfortable in the fight, the pact won't impact your run at all after Tartarus. squirtnya

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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EM1 doesn't affect lategame all that much for obvious reasons so it's just a matter of getting used to last 2 locations and bosses

errant narwhal Jul 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Yeah, it’s probably good to learn EM first thanthink

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I also experienced that period where I got to final boss regularly then got decked

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Yeah it sucks

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Mainly because theseus eats all my dd's

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Big brain strats: take EM3 instead of 1 so theseus doesn't have a shield most of the time

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squirtheh

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Galaxy brain move

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yeah, instead he has a big hitbox in the front that deals big damage multiple times if you even just barely touch it. And bombs that deal massive damage that will change their trajectory just before they hit the floor, so that you can't rely on the floor indicators alone.

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He will also shoot you from off-screen.

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I'm waiting for a mod where the game is the same

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Except there is always bombs flying around

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 5:02 PM

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What fun.

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Where's the mod where the game is the same except you get to ride the chariot.

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Like Hollow Knight with the AK47 xD

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Just get a bomber chaos curse with FO2

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The game already has built-in functionality for bombs to be literally everywhere

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Keepsake that makes Chaos curses last longer.

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We get one for items. Where's one for curses?

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

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thinkies

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I also am kind of taken with the idea of forcing more punishment for better Chaos rewards

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

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+100% enemies, and all enemies drop bombs.

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

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dash distance and - movement speed

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Double punishment for one blessing and a random blessing too

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:07 PM

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+100% enemies, all of them drops bombs. All of them are savior cloner numbskull. You need to use bow.

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Good luck

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:07 PM

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If chaos boons weren't so rare I'd have almost wanted the pact of punishment setting that, say, increases duration before chaos boon transforms

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I'll take that heat and never visit chaos xD

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Free real estate

tepid ridge Jul 13, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Stonks

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Also you take 1 damage every time you Attack, Special, or Cast.

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:08 PM

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It's just like convenience fee but free-er

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as for dmg per action, yikes

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Dash -50% reduced range and -60% move speed speedrun when?

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Rail only too

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Dash -50% reduce range, bring that to Styx

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Get stuck in chamber gap

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GG

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Interesting softlock way

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:11 PM

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whenever I try to experiment with multihit doom and dire misfortune stuff I never get dire misfortune ares why

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:11 PM

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"Buy every item from Styx's Shop" challenge, but you have take Pauper's curse in every biome and use CF2.

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Dire Misfortune is honestly not something you go for.

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Dire misfortune is just a discount zeus ngl

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Wait em3 makes theseus not have a shield

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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But but multi hit is dire misfortune

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I'll take 3

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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It's just something you add when it happens to work in your build.

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Impending Doom is the longer more damage one dusa

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Wait em3 makes theseus not have a shield
Yeah try EM3

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No shield no problem

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:13 PM

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For bonus points, use the shield yourself?

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:14 PM

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EM3 sounds ez

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I have the shield now! I am The One!

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EM3 is not easy. Don't let them mislead you. dusa

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I mean EM3 doesn't solve your shield problem entirely

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:14 PM

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This might be a bad idea, but I'm going to try EM3 just for fun

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Dew it squirtdevious free heat

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Theseus still will have it at 2nd half

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but well

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Shhhh

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Luckily tartarus and asphodel are pretty fast

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I'm just going to say that you might overlook that you have to get past EM Hydra before you can even get to see EM Theseus and Asterius.

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Wait this is going to change hydra isn't it

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Here is a real piece of advice

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Level up and equip Acorn if you haven't already

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Yeah Hydra will change

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Well

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For the better or for the worse

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Do it for funsies

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I will

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Well, you'll learnie new things!

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I mean it's 5 heat

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So I won't be using EM3 all the time

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I'm furious at the pun

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Huh

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The game won't launch

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 5:22 PM

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It's not updating?

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I think there was some minor update today.

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Otherwise, verify the game files.

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:25 PM

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No not that

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Like steam won't launch without my computer crashing

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So I can't play anything

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Ugh why did I install those drivers in tech fixes

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My computer has turned from a potato to a potato that is very slow and slightly toasted

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Welp

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Sadly I will not see what EM theseus looks like

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Because I cannot run hades

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Hopefully fixed in v1.0

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:48 PM

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So did Steam not start or the game?

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Also maybe ask in #h1-tech-support

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Read pins first, of course

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I already tried

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I can't even play any game now

brisk cairn Jul 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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so uh, how does Delta chamber affect Hestia lol

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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It doesn't

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You can reload as normal

brisk cairn Jul 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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thank god

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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So yeab

brisk cairn Jul 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I anviled just now

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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It does nothing

brisk cairn Jul 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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assumed I lost my dmg bonus

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:54 PM

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If not mild inconvenience since you have a shorted window of 3 bullets reload

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I haven't tried verifying files stupidly enough

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Maybe reinstall drivers or other requirements, too.

brisk cairn Jul 13, 2020, 5:58 PM

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alright we did it, thanks for nothing anvil

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Already tried reinstalling drivers

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Sure is taking a long time to verify these files

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:08 PM

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squirtooh

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I'm sure the QA peoples will know how to figure out what's wrong and how to fix it whenever they're around.

turbid needle Jul 13, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Hopefully

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But for right now it is unplayable

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Really hoping v1.0 will make it more optimized

cunning urchin Jul 13, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Good luck! friendly

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Ack, if only I was conscious at 2:00am to answer challenge questions

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Does anyone have any questions left? Or has everything been all solved already?

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 7:18 PM

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If anyone has questions on the challenge or our decision making process, feel free to ping Tiank or I

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I think we got everything for now, thanks for helping out!

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Alright, glad to be of service

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 8:05 PM

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bleh, OBS is failing to do anything, so I guess no recording -_-

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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You could try alternatives maybe
Shadowplay or DVR, for example

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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hmm

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windows has built in game recording

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might try that

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Yeah that's DVR, not the greatest but honestly gets work done

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 8:09 PM

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ye

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aight, wish me luck

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going in with talos fists

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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No luck, just skill baddywink

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hf

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 8:17 PM

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oh ffs

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I forgot that customs is a thing

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just lost a lvl3 heroic drunken strike

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Augh, that's harsh.

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 8:35 PM

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This challenge was designed to feel unfair lol

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 8:36 PM

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It sure was. Chucking out all this obol for healing items that barely did anything.

gleaming current Jul 13, 2020, 8:37 PM

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What else to expect from being forced to buy random stuff

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Arguably the harshest condition was being forced to prioritize obol and shop rooms, in my opinion.

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 8:39 PM

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UHG

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I made it all the way to the Heroes fight nearly perfectly

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was nearly full health, had solid damage and whatnot

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then I choked

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 8:41 PM

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heheh

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 8:41 PM

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honestly

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I could do this with DD instead of SD

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I would've won otherwise, and I hadn't used an SD yet

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 8:42 PM

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See initially we considered making it LC4 instead of 3, but thought that might be too hard

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 8:42 PM

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yeah

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especially for people who haven't tried LC at all before

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Yeah

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Still though, it’s there for those who want extra challenge

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It’s actually why we included hard labor instead

hardy condor Jul 13, 2020, 8:46 PM

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i'm new here, what's LC SD DD?

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 8:47 PM

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LC = Lasting Consequences, a Pact condition

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SD and DD are shorthand for mirror talents that give you extra lives

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Stubborn Defiance and Death Defiance respectively

hardy condor Jul 13, 2020, 8:48 PM

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thank you

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Those acronyms are explained in a pinned message over in the #h1-high-heat-strategies for quick reference.

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 9:35 PM

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bleh

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made it to hades this time with a sea storm super soaker

dry jay Jul 13, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Ahh the good ol SSSS build LOL

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 9:35 PM

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yup

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https://imgur.com/bexchnx

Imgur

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Took way more damage from poison than I was expecting

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a combination of hard labor, super satyr, and not having my usual broken spearpoint hit me heard

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seriously, that dude was doing 3-4 damage per tick

dry jay Jul 13, 2020, 9:37 PM

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That is a sick build. I LOVE sea storm.

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 9:44 PM

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alright, I'm going for it

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GY for the challenge run

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Was that screenshot just practice for the challenge?

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 9:45 PM

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nope, that was a legit attempt

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I failed tho xD

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 9:46 PM

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This challenge is clearly too easy

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I mean, I couldn't buy any of the kisses of styx that I found

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which woulda been nice

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though it's been a good reminder of how good the hourglass is, which was nice

dry jay Jul 13, 2020, 9:47 PM

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What is this challenge?

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 9:47 PM

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It's pinned

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weekly challenge #6

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 9:48 PM

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The hourglass is supposed to make the challenge a little easier (although i suppose it does make the final boss a bit harder without acorn or spearpoint)

dry jay Jul 13, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Hmmm

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I'm not sure how effectively I'd be able to build in that situation

random hull Jul 13, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I thought it was chosen because it fit thematically. Because not having a defensive tool in the last area hurts a lot, with LC and HL around.

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Not that I'm complaining, though. High stakes are what make a challenge good.

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Oh it was definitely chosen for theme

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But it also changes the playstyle, makes wells feel less punishing, and makes healing items into more of a slow burn

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Don’t worry, we tested the challenge to make sure the difficulty was balanced

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:18 PM

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probably a dumb question but why do people always go for 40 heat? it's not the maximum or anything…

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 10:29 PM

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So 45-ish heat is typically the max heat you can get before you start to include things like Lasting Consequences 4 (No healing at all), Approval Process (Lose options when picking boons/hammers), and Routine Inspection (Lose vital mirror talents). Because going beyond that point requires increasing the already very hard difficulty of 40's heat to near impossible levels, or makes the game require far more luck than is even fun (arguably even trivializing the skill required), people typically max out heat in the 40's. It's an impressive feat that's not practically impossible or heavily luck based to achieve

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:30 PM

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ah, interesting

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the immediate cause for this question was that victory in #h1-victory-boasting from 20 minutes ago

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and, in the video, lasting consequences is actually maxed out (apparently it doesn't affect guan yu healing?), and routine inspection is at -6, which is wild

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approval process maxed out, too

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instead, they left out calisthenics program, forced overtime, tight deadline, and some more points on RI

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Guan Yu is a bit of a special case, as it's incredibly difficult as is, but also has inbuilt healing. For guan yu there's no difference between LC2 and LC4, but there's also an inbuilt healing that bypasses that. Forced Overtime makes benefits package and Hard Labor far more punishing (with Hard labor being another heat condition that is effectively the same at 3-5 for GY), and hurts guan yu runs attempting to rely more heavily on their spin. RI3-4 were probably left out as RI3 removes your second dodge while RI4 removes additional lives. As for why calisthenics program and tight deadline were left out, I'm assuming that was more player preference than anything.

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:39 PM

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ah yeah, interesting

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my first guan yu run ended on the shifting witch in tartarus lmao

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because i kept trying to heal with spin attacks but couldn't hit her

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but in the second one i defeated hades, lol

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 10:40 PM

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nice

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Aside from the listed reasons, 40 is just an arbitrary number, really

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 10:41 PM

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just finished the challenge run with guan yu, the cheese with skelly and aphro's call is real

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 10:42 PM

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You can do whatever you want, just that recently for some reason people like hovering around 40 so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:42 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/732366312801566730
posted the end-game screenshot over in #h1-victory-boasting

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 10:43 PM

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nice!

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:43 PM

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i feel like with guan yu i'd definitely take calisthenics program, since i'd expect to take my time clearing & healing, so if the enemies have more health that doesn't really hurt (or even helps if i can hit them with more spins)

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well, i say that, but in that run i only took middle management lol

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the spin attack hammers are absolute game changers on guan yu though

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and athena on attack (like in the video) looks pretty cheesy haha

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

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You should try Charged Skewer and Deadly Flourish sometimes

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Spam your special and kinda ignore your spin

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

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I just had a weird hybrid run where I was using both

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Spam your special and kinda ignore your spin
how did you figure out my non-guan-yu spear playstyle? lol

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

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lol

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

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i usually almost never spin attack

dry ember Jul 13, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Lol it's even better on GY

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Try it :3

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 10:47 PM

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i took aspect of hades the other day and after the first couple rooms i completely forgot i even had it

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 10:58 PM

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question about Charms versus Hades. is there a duration limit, or is it a percentage of the original duration?

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(or against bosses in general)

sterile portal Jul 13, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Question for Hestia Rail: Explosive Fire or Piercing Fire?

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 11:18 PM

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hoooolllyyyy hells

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Sweet Nectar affects Eurydice's Poms

umbral bolt Jul 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

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i am in love with the punching gloves

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they hit soo fast

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 11:26 PM

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wait, poison counts as a trap, and thus is increased to 10 damage per hit with the trap punishment pact?

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god damn

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 11:26 PM

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depends on where the poison is from

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 11:26 PM

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in this case, from a satyr cultist

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 11:26 PM

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if it's from a Satyr, it's not a trap (but does increase with Hard Labor)

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oh, huh

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I might be remembering wrong

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 11:27 PM

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https://youtu.be/1ZThZ41HvTc?t=1854

YouTube

FlyinPoulpus

Hades - Guan Yu Aspect 40 Heat run

After a ton of runs dying at Elysium on a 9 minutes deadline and a disgusting golden run that was stopped by a 5 doors RNG at Styx, I decided to experiment with no tight DL and +60% jury summon to see if I could make it with Guan Yu.

That run is pretty lucky because I find a...

▶ Play video

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still watching that recording from #h1-victory-boasting lol

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 11:29 PM

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aww hell yeah

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okay, my build is done
https://imgur.com/YSPaiw8

Imgur

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 11:30 PM

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lol, very nice

main osprey Jul 13, 2020, 11:42 PM

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so fun fact

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Theseus' spear does a lot of damage to Asterius

gusty elm Jul 13, 2020, 11:43 PM

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ooh, that sounds handy

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@dull cave i've been watching and gushing about your recording in here for a while now lol, really great execution. especially the hades fight was incredibly clean—only 1 hit!

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 12:03 AM

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No TD max JS

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What a madlad

unique vault Jul 14, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Anyone know of a way to make the Rail not suck besides spamming special ?

sterile portal Jul 14, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Play Hestia Rail

dire wedge Jul 14, 2020, 1:13 AM

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I'd rather have max JS tbh, I hate time limits in my games

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Put Lightning Strike on it

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Alternatively pick Deadly Strike and Spreadfire

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Or just play Hestia and use it like a bow

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Or use Lucifer with Lightning Strike, or Tempest Strike with Sea Storm if you are feeling frisky

cunning tiger Jul 14, 2020, 1:27 AM

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RIP just hit Hades with no Death defiance left and just gained 2 duo's. I super suck with this shiel;d

velvet thicket Jul 14, 2020, 1:32 AM

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game just offered me 3 swap boons instead of the duo i needed. what did i do to deserve this

dire wedge Jul 14, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Can vouch for Lucifer with Sea Storm, I like to call that the fireman's build.

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Laughs in Fated Persuasion

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Someone called it the Seastorm Super Soaker earlier.

dire wedge Jul 14, 2020, 1:35 AM

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I like that one better haha

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 1:40 AM

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that was me :P

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 1:44 AM

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lol

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Good job! Love that name.

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Obligatory bow dash strike topic starter

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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xD

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Bow is hammer reliant

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but that is different from being slow

glossy rose Jul 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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It is hammer reliant because it is not good by default

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Unlike other weapons

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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well spear is somewhat hammer reliant, too

glossy rose Jul 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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To a lower extent

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:35 AM

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not really

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Also which hammer do you use for bow?

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with chain shot, twinshot/triple shot you can clear rooms very fast

glossy rose Jul 14, 2020, 2:36 AM

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I tried all that's given. They all were underwhelming, but the one that did a bit better was the one that made special chargable

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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May I suggest giving Hunter Dash Twinshot a try?

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Relentless Volley on rama is hilarious

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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forZag Bow

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special builds are quite weak on Zag Bow

glossy rose Jul 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I will give it a try

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:37 AM

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yeah

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i guess it could be good at forcing marked

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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yeah, my asumption is that we are talking about Zag Bow here

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Rama, Chiron, Hestia all play very differently

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:38 AM

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true

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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in fact, I dare say bow has the most diverse set of build, which is both good and bad

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good because diversity

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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yeah

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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bad because you need to tailor your build to the one you pick

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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I did manage to get default bow special build, but it took too much in order to be viable

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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you can't pick Hera and play it like Zag

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:39 AM

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yeah you need a lot of boons for it to work

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what would happen if you get sniper+explosive

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+600% aoe?

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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they stack additively

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so that's 500 I think

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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they are both +300%

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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ok nvm then

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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would make this 700%

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:40 AM

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I mean you won't get the full number

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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but then you play sniper shot so

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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most likely not

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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is it that great

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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yup

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No.

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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No imo

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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I don't think Coronacht is diverse as much as it is reliant on a lot of support to make it work. dusa

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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yeah no its not good

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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(or Twin Shot)

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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prefer point blank myself, but i end up getting too close to the fray anyways so

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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same for point blank

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Speaking of stacking additively,
If crit damage is 100+200%, clean kill (30% on crits) will add 30, 60, or 90? thanthink

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Twinshot/Triple Shot Point Blank Shot at, well, point balnk range is so good

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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additive, again

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+230%

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Wack
Kind of underwhelming boon then

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I heard someone said it adds 30% to your crit so x3.3

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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only heart rend is multiplicative, for some reason

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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i vague recall crits are calculated seperately from typical damage bonus though

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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instead of x3

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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yeah

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that

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 2:42 AM

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heart rend is 3x to 4.5x

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Probably did so in order to make it worth duo status while not spooking players by +150%

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Kappachino

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I remember it being additive like Clean Kill at one time and we were not happy.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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seems vaguely misleading, is all

sterile portal Jul 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Spear is another weapon that has 3 diverse playstyles and therefore is reliant on getting the relevant hammers. However, the 4th aspect spear is actually quite good so you can just use that and pretend that the rest of spear is okay

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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i feel like they should just put the damage formula out there

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lol

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Tbh i should test all those numbers some day for research

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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exactly

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Also well, formula is there apparently

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It just is unclear which boons follow which rules

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:45 AM

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ah

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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You can also look at all of the game's code if you want to in order to see the damage calculation etc.

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Supposedly it's base dmg x ((100+damage boosts)/100) x 3 if it's a crit

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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that seems right

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 2:47 AM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

Hades Wiki

Damage Calculation

A high-level overview of the damage calculation process could be:

Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (1 × Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 2:48 AM

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i guess heart rend is different because it's not critical damage +50%, but bonus critical damage +50%

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~~really, just changing it to a 1.5x multiplier would solve it~~

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We got decimal places with Splitting Headache, time to rip off that bandage.

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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it can get kind of ambiguous whether bonuses stack additively or multiplicatively. generally, percent bonuses stack additively, but only within the same category, right? if your attack is +50% stronger and you crit for +200%, you deal not 3.5x (+250%) but 4.5x (+50%, then +200% on the result) damage, right?

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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right

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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so i'm wondering if e.g. heart rend just adds another 50% to the 200%, or if it actually acts as a multiplier

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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that's why it's bonus crit damage, making it its own category

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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surely heart rend plus clean kill would be additive though

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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hrm

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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i guess you just need to read the precise labeling of the tooltips?

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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i just feel like they didn't want to say "crit does 3x damage" bc everything else talks in percents

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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if they're named the same, percentages stack additively

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:08 AM

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yeah but one is critical damage, one is bonus critical damage

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 3:08 AM

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so instead they say "up to +200% in damage" for crits lol

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:08 AM

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i guess i can try to test this

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:08 AM

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yeah, hence those would stack multiplicatively

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(i assume)

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the other interesting case is damage reduction

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e.g. arthur has the damage-reducing aura

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but weak effects also reduce damage

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do those stack additively?

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because that would be wild

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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no

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those stack mutiplicately

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Damage reductions multiplicate

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ye

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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specifically so you will never get -100% damage

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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aw, damn

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can't have nice things, huh?

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at least dodge chance is additive though, right?

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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well...

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each dodge chance is done individually

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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wew

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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so if you have one thing that's +15% dodge and another that's +25% dodge, you'd have two separate checks for dodging

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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oof

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so effectively multiplicative too

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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yup

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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i wish they would clarify this stuff

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they already tease us with exact numbers

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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true

gusty elm Jul 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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well, for everything except base stats, haha

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ah, that reminds me of the feedback i wanted to give

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 4:12 AM

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So is it just me but some of the hammer upgrades seem really cursed (not like the mechanic curse but like just weird/odd). Like Snap Nova for sword, or the weird charged uppercut for Fists?

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Snap Nova is pretty good. Takes a little bit of practice, but not that much.

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Right I'm not saying it can't be effective

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:13 AM

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I haven't tried Flying Cutter since the beta.

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 4:13 AM

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I guess what I'm saying is the feel is "off"

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It sometimes sends you all over the place, especially when you start trying to interact with it while dashing.

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(same applies to cutter)

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So I guess the question is does anyone else feel this way or is it just me being a nooblet

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LOL

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:16 AM

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If you're talking about the very weird teleport/camera reset that can sometimes happen with Snap Nova, that's a bug. You can get that when you dash immediately upon resurrecting from the river Styx, too.

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Not too much, but Flying Cutter's issue is that it doesn't work off a Dash-Upper, so that leaves you with little opportunity to safely get the charged attack off.

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:17 AM

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It's supposedly faster now, but was nerfed to +100% damage from +200%.

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 4:17 AM

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The Cutter also does WEIRD things when you hold various directions as you let go of the Special button after charger.

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Like the distance/angle that Zag flies is somehow affected by the directions you're holding.

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:18 AM

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That sounds like a bug. Should F10 that. squirtnya

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 4:18 AM

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This is more apparent when doing Mouse and Keyboard, where you can aim the cutter one way and then hold WASD another way to have it fly at weird/unexpected angles.

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I'll F10 it when I see cutter again

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Who knows, maybe they fixed it post Price update

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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You can just F10 and explain the bug at any time. That's fine.

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Oh you want to try it again first. Gotcha.

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Right.

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For snap, quick question, is Zag meant to just kinda "blink" to the spot where he originally nova-ed? Like no animation or anything"

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Or is THAT the bug?

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Because I pretty much got that every single time I snap nova

modest zodiac Jul 14, 2020, 4:46 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/RMoUlBD.png

Imgur

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hey so do you really need flood shot for mirage shot

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because I got it with ares cast recently

magic dagger Jul 14, 2020, 4:48 AM

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no

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Hang on.

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That is an "any core boon" duo.

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You need one of any of Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, or Call from both of them to get it.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 4:50 AM

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oh yeah, the duo boon page has different requirements than any of the god pages on the wiki (for duo boons)

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Really gonna have to get the energy to update that one of these days with the hard info.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 4:54 AM

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it seems odd to me that the individual olympian pages would have the right requirements but the duo boon page wouldn't, but whatevs, i should probably do some editing too

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Duo Boon requirements can be different depending on who of the two you get the boon from. Have fun adding that to the Duo Boon article. dusa

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Yeeaaahhhh, if that could get cleaned up, that'd be grreeeaaaattttt.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 4:58 AM

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what if i change things and then the data miners get mad at me dusa

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Like your profile picture.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 5:01 AM

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my profile picture is as un-immutable as the fates

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Really coulda just said "mutable".

sterile portal Jul 14, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Lol

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 5:05 AM

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dusa

dull cave Jul 14, 2020, 6:30 AM

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@dull cave i've been watching and gushing about your recording in here for a while now lol, really great execution. especially the hades fight was incredibly clean—only 1 hit!
@gusty elm thanks :p

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technically I took 6 hit tho, acorn ate 5 of them

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when you don't have tight deadline there's less pressure so you can play less aggressively and in a safer way

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 6:42 AM

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TD has ruined me

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Even without TD I still manically run through the game while pausing at every choice door

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 6:42 AM

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SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED ISSSSSSSSSSSSSS KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Sometimes I play XCOM and I pause because of muscle memory T.T

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 6:43 AM

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(and then you miss a 95% shot

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(obviously

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 6:43 AM

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yeah that's a feature

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or worse 100% hit chance 80% crit, minimum damage

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:44 AM

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that's how playing world splitter feels

mighty ermine Jul 14, 2020, 6:48 AM

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@dry ember it gets so bad for me sometimes that i'll pause in the boon/well item selection menu

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when the timer isn't even running at all

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 6:48 AM

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better safe than sorry

mighty ermine Jul 14, 2020, 6:48 AM

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can't let the all-knowing timer get a single free moment from me

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 6:49 AM

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YEAH!

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we're not paranoid, YOU ARE PARANOID

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 6:54 AM

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extra big mood, Tail

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also low effort badly cropped meme

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https://imgur.com/JR05kkL

Imgur

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thanks Radish for the pic!

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:56 AM

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where's tatz and their artemis emote

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Anyone know how to work with Poseidon well? I I feel like I spend more time chasing targets I push away than a really using his boons properly.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:59 AM

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use bow :v

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Hestia with Tempest Strike is fun

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Lucifer with Tempest Strike and Seastorm for the Seastorm Super Soaker build

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:00 AM

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but in reality, his special modifier is really good, so he works well with things like chiron and demeter which can guarantee hits

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Thanks swan

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:01 AM

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poseidon with a shield attack/dash attack build can work, playing into wall slams and barriers

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there's also just using him as access to duo boons

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like getting exclusive access and sweet nectar

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he has great boons for grinding and resources as well

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Yeah the majority of the time I’ve used his boons are fore getting resources lol

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Try Tempest Strike with ranged weapons for spacing

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Bonus points if you have rupture

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Since the enemies have to run back to you while you can pew pew them at range.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:04 AM

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he's great on bow attack, but not much on regular rail

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Yeah

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:05 AM

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utilizing his high special modifier on rail is great though

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Hestia Luci Rail Zag Bow

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Poseidon's Aid is one of the best calls in the game.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:05 AM

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i had an amazing rama poseidon run earlier, actually, tempest strike + hunter dash + twin

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:05 AM

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I just take passive t1 boons from him until he offers his call lol.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:05 AM

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shooting literal tidal waves at foes was fun lol

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Might be the best call, actually.

unique vault Jul 14, 2020, 7:07 AM

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what is Hera bow actually good at?

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:07 AM

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burst damage

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you stack all your casts all at once, and any that stick come out in a few seconds

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Pick Trippy Shot and see for yourself?

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 7:08 AM

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i also liked true shot + exit wound

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:08 AM

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ice wine hera is one of the best cast builds in the game imo

unique vault Jul 14, 2020, 7:08 AM

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but you can unload all trippy shots in time it takes to use powershot

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:08 AM

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outside of like, hunting blades lol

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Ice Wine Scintillating Feast Cold Fusion Hera Bow

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 7:08 AM

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ew

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:09 AM

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What would be some good varatha builds?

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Not if you use dash strike

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:09 AM

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all 3 ice wines exploding at once decimated foes

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also, dash strikes

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Easier to aim

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:09 AM

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What would be some good varatha builds?
aspect?

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Zag.

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:10 AM

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You don't need to do a Power Shot to get the full damage from your loaded casts.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:10 AM

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just build into the special

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:10 AM

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👀 do you like have other aspects?

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Not really tbh

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:10 AM

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charged skewer, maybe?

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Then Explosive Skewer and Heartbreak Strike

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Bonus if you can get charged skewer too

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:11 AM

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charged + explosive

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plus heartbreak

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:11 AM

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But Explosive is still prio 1 imo

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:11 AM

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but really use other aspects :v

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Well they probably don't have blood

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:11 AM

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i can tell you all about hades spear + serrated point

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:11 AM

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And Explosive Heartbreak Zag is just fine.

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:13 AM

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The one true build on every weapon aspect is Heartbreak Strike or Flourish (depending on aspect), Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:13 AM

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The spin strike too tiresome to deal with and achelles is not for me so I just use explosive strike with either heartbreak or Ares

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Lightning Phalanx optional.

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Yeah you can mostly ignore the spin on Zag

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Just spin when there is window, don't force it

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Spam special when you have it going

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I'm actually serious. dusa

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:14 AM

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truly the greatest build is poseidon zag rail

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I believe you lol

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:14 AM

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ron

dry ember Jul 14, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Although that build is not good on Zag Rail

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But for the most part it's ok.

mighty ermine Jul 14, 2020, 7:14 AM

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honestly serrated point is such a good hammer that you can run it on zag spear anyway and mostly ignore its affinity for special builds

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Oh. For that you can just get Lightning Strike and Aphrodite's Aid instead.

mighty ermine Jul 14, 2020, 7:15 AM

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but explosive launcher is probably what you'll want to get if you do lean into special

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Or Lightning Strike + Passion Dash + Athena's Aid.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:16 AM

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there's always flurry jab!

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Just, any combo of those three + Smoldering Air.

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I think for 41 with bow, I might use Hera with Heartbreak Strike + Phalanx Shot + Zeus' Aid.

mighty ermine Jul 14, 2020, 7:18 AM

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flashbacks to running zag spear on JS3, CP2, BP2, TD2, and others at once and just doing flurry jab and lightning strike lol

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Possibility for 2 strong Duo Boons and strong passive boons from all three gods.

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:19 AM

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splitting bolt tdogSnacky

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brb making a tier list for all the legendaries

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:20 AM

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earlier today I did an arthur run and mostly just doubled down on artemis attack boon and slammed through just about everything lol

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:24 AM

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the true legendary tier list

Unhealthy Fixation
Vicious Cycle
Divine Protection
Splitting Bolt
Black Out
Bad News
Fully Loaded
Winter Harvest
Greater Recall
Defiance
Second Wave

weak rivet Jul 14, 2020, 7:28 AM

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Hhh havent gotten so many of those

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Havebt gotten 5, 6, 8 and 11

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:31 AM

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is chain skewer + explosive not viable?

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 7:32 AM

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mutually exclusive

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can't be taken together

prime helm Jul 14, 2020, 7:32 AM

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gotcha

rare kayak Jul 14, 2020, 11:30 AM

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man serrated point

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i dont like it

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i know its good but essentially having a permanent chaos curse messes with me

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:29 PM

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hey

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when did they change Blinding Flash?

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

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its the same?

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

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It doesn't work with Divine Strike now

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

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bug

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

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no

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wiki says "Your attacks that Deflect also make foes Exposed for 5 Sec."

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ingame description is "Your abilities that Deflect also make foes Exposed for 5 Sec."

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:31 PM

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it still work on attacks, abilities means attk, special, cast and dash i think

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:31 PM

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It doesn't work on attack

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At this moment, I'm sure

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:32 PM

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you tried?

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Yes, I'm in game

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:32 PM

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oh, then its bugged i think

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Pretty sure it's not a bug

errant narwhal Jul 14, 2020, 1:32 PM

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something like that probably wouldve been in patch notes thanthink

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:33 PM

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It's changed to abilites not attack

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https://imgur.com/a/oz88x7E

Imgur

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 1:33 PM

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I'm pretty sure the text has been "abilities" for awhile, the wiki just hasn't been updated.

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:33 PM

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use it then, if it doesnt work then you are right, jesus

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:34 PM

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You're right

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I thought it got nerfed

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 1:35 PM

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It's just to avoid confusion and because the previous description was technically wrong. Athena's Aid can also apply Exposed, but it's not an attack in any sense of the word.

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:35 PM

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it can? how>

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Because it deflects

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:35 PM

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deflects I guess

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Well, actually. I haven't 100% confirmed it, but I'm very sure it does.

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 1:36 PM

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no, like how do you apply it?

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Deflect your enemy attack?

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Pretty sure your Deflect "box" just needs to touch the opponent.

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I should do some testing with Blinding Flash, actually.

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:38 PM

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I was just stupid, I didn't have Privilaged like I have 99%, and when I didn't see the debuff, I immediately came to cry zaglol

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 1:38 PM

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lol

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Actually I checked the wiki first

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And saw the different text

errant narwhal Jul 14, 2020, 1:40 PM

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im changing the wiki now but actually, the boon itself doesnt say for how long exposed lasts, while the wiki does

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oh well, ill leave it

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:52 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/lTGBMYSfPOw3xZgpuX

Giphy

Fid

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here's a fun gif

weary gust Jul 14, 2020, 1:52 PM

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does poseidon work well with fists

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:52 PM

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probably I'm not the first with the idea 😄

dire wedge Jul 14, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Pretty sure your Deflect "box" just needs to touch the opponent.
Can corroborate for the 'just touch your opponents with deflect' for Blinding Flash. Just ran a build with Jolted and Exposed and was able to apply Privileged Status just by dashing through enemies after Jolted was applied.

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:54 PM

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I've never tried I think but the knockback doesn't sound too good for me with fists

dire wedge Jul 14, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Killing bosses with Bouldy feels so satisfying ngl

lost cairn Jul 14, 2020, 1:55 PM

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I just love how Zag turns his back lol

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 1:56 PM

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There's actually very little knockback when using Tempest Strike on Malphon.

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Which makes getting any wall slam damage very difficult to get even when you're close to a wall.

weary gust Jul 14, 2020, 1:57 PM

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ah, good to know

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 1:57 PM

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I tried ocean man with fists once and really hated it

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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ocean man is better with gun imo

gleaming current Jul 14, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Get wator dash
Try to approach opponents
Realize you can never reach them

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And ye ocean man is good with ranged stuff

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On bow it works wonders like never letting flame wheels reach you

clear dome Jul 14, 2020, 2:07 PM

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b..but water gun

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Hey folks, I got a question. I just unlocked the Eris and Hestia aspects, I was wondering what's the best way to make use of each? Eris seems like the most fun, but also since it's the most generic I having trouble being creative about a particular god that could make good use of it

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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With Hestia you just put Heartbreak Flourish or alternatively Deadly Flourish on it, and call it a day. That's all you need.

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Then you get either Divine Dash for protection or Hunter Dash for more damage.

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Best hammers are Piercing Shot and Explosive Shot.

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I haven't used Eris, so I can't help with that.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Man I had forgotten that yeah with Hestia you're probably supposed to use the special, not the sniper shot with the bonus lol Thanks

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Oh woops.

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Sorry, I meant Strike lol.

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You just use the Empowered Shot, actually.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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I just really like the Eris flavor. Stay in your own explosion and power up from the chaotic energy, that sounds really cool. But hard to figure out a proper way

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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In some rare situations, there's some use for regular shots and the AOE from the Special.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Ah really?

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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But mostly you just snipe everything with Empowered Shots.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Doesn't that make it really slow?

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:15 PM

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It's still pretty fast and extremely safe.

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At Lv.5, the base damage from an Empowered Shot is 150.

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So you can quickly get that up to around 300 damage per Empowered Shot.

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Basically one-shots most things in Tartarus and Asphodel? Wow

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Ahh, I gotcha. I'm still grinding for Titan blood so I actually don't have the maximum damage just yet but I'll work towards that

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

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A lot of the aspects don't seem to get "good" until you invest a few blood into them.

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

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It's not as fast as some other aspects. You'll want to avoid Jury Summons, Calisthenics Program, and Damage Control when you use it.

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

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oof damage control

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Because it has issues with crowd clearing.

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But it's extremely strong vs bosses and overall very safe.

serene isle Jul 14, 2020, 3:17 PM

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I can assume yeah. If you get aphro/crits on it, it probably shreds through bosses

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:18 PM

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That, and you can easily circumvent their attacks by just sniping from afar.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Is Aphro the highest damage god, by the way? I see her being a really common pick

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:19 PM

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It has amazing mobility because its damage comes from a single, quickly deliver shot.

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:19 PM

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its not that slow about the same speed as bow probs

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Yeah, on most aspects she is. Crits can outscale her eventually, but you don't get the benefits of Weak with that.

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Well, bow is slow.

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:20 PM

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I guess

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:20 PM

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And a lot more reliant on hammers.

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:21 PM

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bow or hestia

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Gotcha, cool, good to know. It's probably to make up for the fact that Weak isn't as, I guess active effect as the others

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:22 PM

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weak is pretty good esp with her tier2 boons I think

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Yeah but what I mean it's not much something that deals damage like every other status curse so the counterpoint was to make her overall damage stronger, I think

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I mean athena exists but ye I suppose

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Exposed

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Weak, Marked, Exposed, and Chill all don't do any damage.

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That's 4 out of 8.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:26 PM

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No but Exposed and marked are still used in a way that let you get more damage

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:26 PM

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weak also increases dmg with a tier2 boon 😛

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Ah does it? I must've forgotten that one

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:26 PM

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sweet surrender

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:29 PM

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It also lets you deal more damage by not dying.

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Not dying is very underrated. dusa

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:29 PM

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unhealthy fixation exists too

pseudo lark Jul 14, 2020, 3:30 PM

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It can also get some crowd-control potential with Unhealthy Fixation.

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Dang, you wrote it before me lol

turbid needle Jul 14, 2020, 3:30 PM

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weak is def one of my fav satuses although the legendary is kinda a double edged sword sometimes

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Dying Lament is one of the best boons in the game, and it's tier 1.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Guess I'm gonna try some more Aphro builds next runs

cunning urchin Jul 14, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Lately, I just go for Lady Aphrodite for damage + Divine Dash + Lord Zeus for Smoldering Air on everything lol.

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It just works.

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Although usually I end up not getting Smoldering Air because I play on 40+, but the potential is so strong.

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Eh I gotta get some build variance of gimmick else I get bored but I may need to find my go to soon

dull karma Jul 14, 2020, 3:55 PM

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so I just checked the patch notes and realized why I wasn't getting chain skewer on my spear runs: I always run Achilles.

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Yup

dull karma Jul 14, 2020, 3:57 PM

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I loved chain skewer on Achilles. Sad day.

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 3:57 PM

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I suppose. Wasn't it hard to use though, not knowing exactly where you'd end up?

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*I didn't pick up Achilles until after that update anyway

dull karma Jul 14, 2020, 4:02 PM

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not really. I use dash to move, so the Achilles aspect provided lots of mobility for me. Plus, it was just really fun zipping all the way across the map after the chain finished.

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Fair enough

rare kayak Jul 14, 2020, 4:11 PM

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i love aphrodite her status is so versatile

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less dying, potential for just straight up more damage and it also just lasts super long

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too bad her duo with demeter sucks so bad

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plus charm is just an absolutely bonkers ability

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Oh yeah, Charm is great :D

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I'm really really inconsistent with dodging 40% FO extreme measures Minotaur bull rush (actually... it might be the same attack as his normal counterpart. Is it actually faster?). I typically try to cut through pillars or veer left/right if i'm next to a wall but the timing window is so tight if i don't want him to track me. Also what should I do if he initiates the dash in open space? Unless I have +dashes i kind of just have to juke around him an pray? Does dashing through him work without Athena?

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I'm having issues going cleanly through elysium, feels like i'm hitting like a wet noodle, and I need to chance upon a really good combination of boons/hammers to go through it, any tips ?

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I've gone up to hades a couple times, so I dunno if this fits more in #h1-for-new-players

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 5:55 PM

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i find that the aphrodite/artemis combo works best for me. stacking weak and playing around crits

stoic thicket Jul 14, 2020, 5:56 PM

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The god keepsakes make it much more consistent, they guarantee you to find a god you'd want to find.

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Also super depends on weapon/aspect

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I play with mostly the fists so

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I put all my blood in the crit aspect for the sword, not expecting more blood would be much harde to come by .-.

stoic thicket Jul 14, 2020, 5:57 PM

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That's actually a good one.

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Yeah it's great. Works with most anything. As someone mentioned, going Heathbreak Flourish + Hunter Dash will leave you open to the duo boon, and even without should be hitting great

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 5:58 PM

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i put mine all in the fists, dodge chance is hella op

stoic thicket Jul 14, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Athena is also almost never a bad pick, her dodge is essentially universally useful.

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 5:59 PM

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yeah, i look for that around elysium, using her keepsake

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everything else im confident in dodging

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:00 PM

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alternatively you can do Divine Dash + Heartbreak Flourish + Hunter Strike to open you up for all the crit boons, with really good safety because of Dash

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I'd go Family Favorites just so you don't get tempted to get unnecessary boons just to get the PS debuff, it's not necessary with Nemesis

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I'm... missing a fair bit of vocabulary there, is there a full list of boons somewhere ?

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:02 PM

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That way, any combo of Aphro + Artemis + Athena boons will work

stiff stone Jul 14, 2020, 6:02 PM

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The wiki’s a good place to find names and what not

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:02 PM

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yeah there's a wiki. sorry i'll rephrase. first post: Athena Dash + Aphro Special + Artemis Dash

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:02 PM

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wait

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Nemesis is in it?

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i havent seen her yet

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Her?

stoic thicket Jul 14, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Nemesis is the Sword Aspect.

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Using the special gives you... 30% or so?... crit on the attack for two seconds.

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 6:04 PM

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wasn't it 3 seconds ?

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Nemesis also do be a greek goddess, im new so sorry about that xd

stoic thicket Jul 14, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Yeah, there's a couple of aspects named after gods that aren't in the game. Nemesis, Hestia, Hera, Eris, Talos...

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:05 PM

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ahh i see

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:06 PM

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oh i see sorry, i thought you meant you didn't see Nemesis aspect in the wiki haha. Yeah, no idea how to unlock it though

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:06 PM

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i only finished my first run today, took me 22mins ahah

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Grats!

stoic thicket Jul 14, 2020, 6:07 PM

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22 mins is pretty fantastic though.

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:08 PM

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i had 73% dodge chance

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Yeah, seriously

stoic thicket Jul 14, 2020, 6:08 PM

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It doesn't stack additively, unfortunately.

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:08 PM

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it doesnt o.o

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oh, i got hella lucky then

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:09 PM

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block and dodge are multiplicative with each other afaik

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not block, less damage*

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:09 PM

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so how does it work

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:11 PM

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If you get 20% dodge from Feather and 20% dodge from hermes, you are not 40% ddoge. the 20% chances are checked independently, so your chance to get hit is 0.8 * 0.8 = .64 or 36% dodge

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:11 PM

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hmmm okay

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Less damage (aphro, Sturdy, Arhur aspect etc) works the same way

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:12 PM

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oh okay, i was just assuming it stacked

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 6:13 PM

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is damage the same ?

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stacks multiplicatively ?

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:13 PM

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additive

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:13 PM

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That would be... somewhat imbalaned haha. Aphro can get you 30-40% less damage, myrmidon bracer is 30, and Arhtur is 40%, so with literally 1 boon, you wouod be damage immune

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:14 PM

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i hadnt thought of it like that

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:14 PM

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for damage, all +%'s are additive

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Unless it is Chaos, Crit, or a base damage mod

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 6:14 PM

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ah

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:15 PM

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a little quirk: clean kill (+30% crit damage) is additive, but heart rend is not (changes 3x crit damage to 4.5x crit damage)

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 6:15 PM

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oh, so crit damage is also additive with other damage sources ?

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:15 PM

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so clean kill would be 3.3x crit damage

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technically crit damage is calculated as +200% damage

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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i thought clean kill was multiplicative with your crit multiplier? So if you r crit damage with 100, 20% clean kill will result in 120?

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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so clean kill at +30% is +230%

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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,oh it's way worse, kk

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:16 PM

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heart rend is multiplicative though

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Feels like I'm playing Path of Exile at this point lol

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Man tried going for the demeter fists with an aphro/artemis duo build but it didn't work. Artemis showed up like twice in the whole run

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sucks, I really liked the powered up special

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Kinetic Launcher with Artemis special on Demeter aspect is literallly my favorite thing in the game

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DBZ power fantasy

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 6:22 PM

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omg that would be awesome. I found rush kick instead

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:22 PM

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thats my favorite build ngl

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:23 PM

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So flexible too. Arty/Aphro/Athena in bsaically any combination for attack/special/dash. Though i personally enjoy starting Athena attack

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I need to try some of that next, I really enjoy playing the fists. Though I've been playing Hades for like ten days straigth I think so I'm feeling kinda burned out, might need to take some days off before jumping back in

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:25 PM

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That's fair

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Oh yeah for sure

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It's easy to be binge but the game doens't fundamentally change that much so burning out is totally valid.

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:26 PM

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i try and play for only like, 1-2 hours a day, but ive played 5 hours today

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Lol, basically

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:26 PM

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is there a way to complete it with all of the heat activated

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i wanna try

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I'm a binge gamer overall anyway, like almost ay game that captures me, I just dive straigth into it for days on end util I reach the ending of the story...Though of course in games like Hades and Monster Hunter that's not exactly what happens

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:26 PM

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It gets "worse" or "better" when you start consistently hitting Tight Deadline, because you can fit in sooo many more runs in a small space of time. Which you'd think means you could play for less time but the runs feel so much less commital

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"Oh, pff, whatever, another run is only 20m" 5 hours later

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:27 PM

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ME^

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 6:28 PM

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I haven't managed to knock my time down to 20 minutes yet, my fastest time is like 32

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Pause often

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:28 PM

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yeah its hard. but im hard practicing the fists, thats the only reason i got 22min

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Although now that I think about it I did have like two gods be like "Hey man you're pretty fast", I'm assuming that's triggered by my time going down?

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:28 PM

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and take stock of wells of charon/chaos gates/fish while you're in a room, not afterwards

icy parrot Jul 14, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Oh no I'm not actually looking for better clear times, just less time spent on the runs in like, irl time. If I pause I'll still be sitting on the chair the same number of seconds and such

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Unless that also works for that?

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:30 PM

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it's a mentality thing. i agree with you, but if you mentally box yourself into playing more efficently even considering pauses you'll play faster

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Mm, yeah. My in-game time is usually mid-20s, but irl time is closer to double that for most runs, unless I'm intentionally not tabbing out

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:31 PM

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is there a way to complete it with all of the heat activated
@hollow mural float before you can swim 🙂 It's not really a goal anyone wants to do. It's just not fun, and it's extremely RNG dependent

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:31 PM

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yeah but imagine the satisfaction when you do it

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Honestly it's a lot of soft-resetting to get a good seed to save time

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:33 PM

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thats my goal 👀

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Do eet

weary gust Jul 14, 2020, 6:33 PM

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sorry if this comes up a lot, but do hermes attack/special speed boons affect charge times for things like the bow and shield

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Honestly I kind of want to know that too. It "feels" like it, but it may just be me wishing it was so

weary gust Jul 14, 2020, 6:34 PM

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had a similar feeling

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:34 PM

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at the very least faster attack makes getting through shield attack animation faster

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:34 PM

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i dont really like the charged abilities

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i work better with fast attacks

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:34 PM

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an it almost certainly does for bow because like... what else would it do

weary gust Jul 14, 2020, 6:35 PM

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well you just wouldnt take that boon then

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although I guess they wouldve made it not appear when using the bow

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:35 PM

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They don't typically put boons in the weapon pool if there is literally 0 effect

weary gust Jul 14, 2020, 6:35 PM

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right

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there isnt a hammer effect for instant bow attacks is there

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Kinda

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Rapid fire

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Just "mostly" 0 effect (looking at you, Storm Lightning and High Voltage)

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:36 PM

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No charge, but shorter range

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Hold down to attack

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:36 PM

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ill only play bow if i get that in the first section

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I don't really notice a difference between attack speed with flurry shot and just not charging the normal bow

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Wait.. you think high voltage isn't useful?

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Lol, not literally 0 use. Just that every time I see one of those two boons over Double Strike I internally rage.

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Because I will see them again and again for the rest of my run

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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I'll take high voltage over double strike most times

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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That is... ill advisable

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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High voltage is the larger AoE right?

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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YES

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Double Strike is better than most duo boons lol

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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I prefer double strike, but high voltage isn't bad

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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double strike gives you +30% chance

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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yeah i pref x2 strike too

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:39 PM

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it scales HARD with poms

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Double strike applies to attack, so I'll give you that

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But on certain weapon aspects, high voltage is better because lightning is capped at max 5 strikes per 1s anyway

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So, you don't get anything out of it

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On say.. Giga cutter for Demeter aspect fists

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No extra strikes

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Bsaically only Lucifer aspect can reach that threshold naturally though

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Chiron special

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:42 PM

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I use Chiron a lot, almost certain only 1 zeus special gets applied per usage

main osprey Jul 14, 2020, 6:42 PM

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But I'm pretty sure double strike doesn't count against that cap

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Though Supergiant changes stuff like that so often I could be wrong on that

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:43 PM

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It's great for thunder dash + lightning reflexes

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You can get 4 lightning strikes for one dash

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Basically If i have a high ROF weapon, I skip double strike unless I'm using lightning on attack

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Or Zeus Aid

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I guess i'll run Lucy with Zeus attack to test it. I am not sold on that explanation, I was also under the impression that double strike was it's own thing, outside of the cap

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Chain lightning is a different animal. It's not capped

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I'm talking the AOE bolts are capped

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:48 PM

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oh. wait so what can actually generate enough special Zeus to hit that cap? Testing chrion now, sec

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:48 PM

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You can thank rama special + thunder flourish for that

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:48 PM

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they nerfed tha

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that*

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only 3 bolts

unkempt pagoda Jul 14, 2020, 6:49 PM

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it was capped all the way back when chiron was released

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:49 PM

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whats the best aspect for the fists?

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Trust me, it's in the patch notes somewhere

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:49 PM

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There isn't one

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:49 PM

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All the fist aspects are good @hollow mural

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:49 PM

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They're all fine

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I personally like Talos the least

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But it's still good

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I like Kinetic Launcher, so I always try to force it on Demeter

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:50 PM

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i think the magnet one seems pretty useless

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Demeter aspect is my favourite

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I cleared heat 40 with it

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The key to proper fists is using dash special instead of regular special

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Just FYI

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:52 PM

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@#$#()$& come on Zeus, no thunder flourish in 2 rerolls? so rude

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Hahaha

hollow mural Jul 14, 2020, 6:52 PM

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yeah dash special to reset your attack combo

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:52 PM

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@hearty elbow a charged Demeter aspect special hits the cap

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Just fyi

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Easily

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:53 PM

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yeah that's fair, though i swear i've tried thunder flourish with it and only noticed one yellow number pop up

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Because they just add on to each other

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And they hit so fast

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:54 PM

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died to reset seed. chrion almost certainly doesn't multi-hit with lightning. let me try upping enemy health

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:55 PM

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The number itself will tell you how many bolts hit

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Unless they super nerfed it and now it's only a single bolt per special, which would suck big time

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But it does give more value to double strike

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 6:57 PM

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about the 'next boon you find will be from x' trinkets, do they only work for the first area ?

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:57 PM

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They only work in the biome you first equip them on

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Chrion only applies Thudner Flourish once

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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They will not work for consecutive biomes

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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The secondary effects will persist though* (+ rarity)

neon bramble Jul 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Yes

random hull Jul 14, 2020, 6:58 PM

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When you equip such a keepsake, you will see a 1 and a circular arrow below it. Once that disappears, that means it enacted its boon-forcing effect.

broken wadi Jul 14, 2020, 6:59 PM

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ah, I see, good to know

hearty elbow Jul 14, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Why is calisthenics programs only worth 1 heat lol

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it's so broken

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@neon bramble So you're saying that it should show a single yellow number that is the total of all of the lightning hits, right? Unfortunately seems like charged demeter special only applies it once too

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which makes sense because Thunder Flourish's base damage is nuts, it'sl ike 38 at rare