Some runs I see tons of Chaos gates, others none
#h1-builds-and-combat
forest marsh
Just RNG
I think 5 Chaos boons is the most I've ever gotten in a run
But usually it's 2-3
cosmic jacinth
been getting 1 or 0 by the elysuim stage non there some times
forest marsh
Yeah, just RNG. Always be on the lookout for Light of Ixion, but other than that, no way to force it
cosmic jacinth
wait why did meg sound like she was going to cry when she said i cant
forest marsh
Not sure of the context there
unkempt pagoda
well, she is dying
forest marsh
After defeating her?
forest marsh
Probably because she's despondent that she can't do her job
And also that she can't keep Zag from leaving
cosmic jacinth
well it was the first i heard it sound like that
forest marsh
There's a complex relationship there
cosmic jacinth
i dont even have u with a heart or i may have her with 1
forest marsh
They still have history
cosmic jacinth
true
gilded knoll
A very complex history...
cosmic jacinth
well i just killed hydra taking around 12 dmg with healing bc of dash heal
cosmic jacinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719976947190464594/731358282089889883/unknown.png wtf is with cast dmg
robust shale
what would be a stupidly high damage build for malphon?
I tried demeter + artemis last time but it was as efficient as i thought it would be
dry ember
Curse of Agony Divine Dash Merciful End
That is about the end all be all for Malphon builds damage wise
empty robin
Demeter + Explosive Upper is huge
turbid needle
Yeah, it's pretty busted.
unkempt pagoda
almost as busted as theseus's face when you hit him with it
cosmic jacinth
huh can i be told what u guys are talking about XD
unkempt pagoda
busting theseus's face!
cunning urchin
The Demeter Aspect of Malphon.
cosmic jacinth
i mean the build XD
cunning urchin
With the Explosive Upper upgrade.
unkempt pagoda
demeter aspect of malphon gives you extra hits on special, giving you a single target delete button
except explosive upper turns it into an aoe delete zone
and a sizeable damage boost, for seasoning
cosmic jacinth
sooooo how does it work like the extra hits?
unkempt pagoda
you have to hit 12 times with your attack first, to charge it up
then your next special gets an extra amount of hits, upgradeable
cosmic jacinth
so u need to have alot of titans blood for it to work
unkempt pagoda
it doesn't really come online until a few levels, sure
cunning urchin
That goes for most aspects. I personally don't really play any aspect until it's at Lv.4 or Lv.5.
unkempt pagoda
and then there's hera, having practically useless upgrade levels lol
cosmic jacinth
tissy is the easiest fury for me
empty robin
I think Hera should have an alternate buff if you take Stygian Soul
lament coral
Or have an entirely new effect that is compatible with both talents
empty robin
Yeah that would be even better
cosmic jacinth
max level for the chance of rares
pale musk
Man, Chiron can get crazy
I just finished a run with Poseidon Special Level 8, epic Special Speed, 8% pressure points, both good special hammers
I was doing like 1200 damage per special to hades
pale musk
and I could get off four specials per lock on thanks to the special speed
hades took like 45 seconds or something
next light
basic question; does holding on to the same god keepsake renew it's boon for each region? Ex. Equipping Athena's Owl Pendant to start off with and keeping it equipped entering Asphodel.
unkempt pagoda
nope, the forced boon is one time only
next light
thats what I thought
unkempt pagoda
you’d keep the increased rarity chance though
next light
ah, good to know.
cosmic jacinth
is there a legendary boon for chaos
unkempt pagoda
gives you an extra DD slot
cosmic jacinth
any duos XD
unkempt pagoda
nope
cosmic jacinth
whats best duo in the game
stoic thicket
As always with these types of questions the answer is "depends".
cosmic jacinth
XD
stoic thicket
Merciful End can be insanely strong. Hunting Blades. Blizzard Shot.
cosmic jacinth
i dont know any of those
stoic thicket
It's in order Ares x Athena, Ares x Artemis, Poseidon x Demeter.
cosmic jacinth
what do each of em do
stoic thicket
Trigger Doom effects immediately after hitting with an ability that can deflect, make Slicing Shot last longer and seek targets, turns Flood Shot into a slow moving, piercing projectile that fires spreading shards.
cosmic jacinth
slicing shot?
stoic thicket
Slicing Shot is the Ares cast.
cosmic jacinth
ah
stoic thicket
The Wiki has an overview of the various duos.
cosmic jacinth
whats the most useful out of all the legendarys
dry ember
Well it depends
But a good Splitting Bolt build can be extremely powerful
Same for Fully Loaded
Or Vicious Cycle
Or Winter Harvest
cosmic jacinth
splitting bolt?
dry ember
Zeus'
cunning urchin
In general, Divine Protection and Defiance are the best Legendaries. They are great in every build. The rest are situational.
cosmic jacinth
divine protection?
cunning urchin
Er.
dry ember
Athena
cunning urchin
Yeah.
cosmic jacinth
i mean like what they do\
dry ember
Shield that blocks damage every 20s
dry ember
Splitting Bolt: all lightning effects deal 40 extra damage
You should Google those xD
The wiki is updated for them
cunning urchin
You could just look at the wiki for all that, yeah.
dry ember
Where is that I googled this for you link
cosmic jacinth
huh
cunning urchin
Lmgtfy.
void fjord
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons @cosmic jacinth here are all the duo boons
cosmic jacinth
huh
void fjord
lol nice
main osprey
Honestly, you should've been a bit more precise with that search :3 The actual wiki was a bit far down
lost cairn
luck
main osprey
What weapon/aspect, I can't tell?
lost cairn
Excalibur with Artemis/Athena/Aphro
main osprey
A lucky crit backstab?
lost cairn
We have here the dodge damage bonus plus lots of backstab bonus with Aphro/Artemis duo
thats more crit damage on weak foes
also Priviliged
languid flume
do you have shadow strike too?
lost cairn
and casted
languid flume
the +200% backstab hammer
lost cairn
Yeah that too
lost cairn
Really, I think it's too good
languid flume
eh, perhaps; the health does feel a bit excessive on top of everything else
lost cairn
I mean nothing really comes close to Artemis attack with it I think
The health, the damage reduction, the trap disabling
languid flume
i like hallowed ground as a mechanic though, creates unique gameplay
if excalibur is to be nerfed, hallowed ground shoudnt be the nerf target imo
but yeah nerfing the health or the sheer damage output would be reasonable
lost cairn
The damage isn't even that crazy except for the crits
I can't put pictures in this chat?
https://imgur.com/a/Tz50UUW anyway this is the log from the run
cunning urchin
I don't see why Excalibur should be nerfed at all.
lost cairn
Me neither, I just really want Deadly Strike all the time 😛
cunning urchin
I think all the strong aspects are in a good place.
languid flume
oh yeah i mean reasonable by comparison
i dont really think its overtuned
at least not to a problematic extent
i dont think any 40+ heat runs use it for instance
and its certainly not the speedrunner's choice
cunning urchin
You need a lot of willpower and good luck to get crits like that.
Nah, Wriste13 did 46 heat with Excalibur.
languid flume
ah, i missed that
lost cairn
willpower? it's only luck
sometimes we get white boons and not the ones we need, and sometimes everything comes together
cunning urchin
You could try a cast build and use the aura for protection.
You could do the classic stack all the HP and damage reduction and dodge chance you can get build.
lost cairn
That sounds fun but it's Aphro and Athena again. Well, they are this good
lost cairn
And his cast would be good with the aura
cosmic jacinth
i have 2 titans blood what should i use on?
cunning urchin
Zagreus Aspect of whatever weapon you like most.
cosmic jacinth
is it always one cost?
cunning urchin
For Zagreus Aspects, yeah.
cosmic jacinth
kk
lost cairn
That would be so nice to see this info ingame
cosmic jacinth
oof
cunning urchin
I don't tend to invest Titan Blood into the other aspects until I have enough to get them to Lv.4 or Lv.5.
lost cairn
Yeah I really messed up, my first Aspect was Chaos and it's really not too good until lvl 4-5
cunning urchin
You can also trade in Ambrosia for Titan Blood. That's worth doing sometimes.
neon bramble
The best Zag aspects (to me) are fists, rail, and spear
Shield is pretty good now too
lost cairn
I tried the shield yesterday and it's really good. I'd say the best tied with the fists
It almost doubles your attack damage
And with the % boons it can go really high
neon bramble
The thing about Zag shield is you're probably never gonna use it once you get other aspects
But the fists, rail and spear all have merit even against other aspects
lost cairn
The Zag shield is the least clunky
It's very fluid compared to the others imo and just feels nice to run with it sometimes
neon bramble
Chaos shield is least clunky, imo
lost cairn
You have to manage the rush and all
neon bramble
Yeah, but it's fluid
lost cairn
If someone prefers the dash strike playstyle of the sword or fist for example, would feel good with the shield too I think
I like'em all 🙂
neon bramble
Zag spear + exploding launcher is good times
lost cairn
Is that the poor man's Guan Yu?
neon bramble
It's actually stronger than GY by a lot
Faster attack speed and higher damage
Just don't have the flying spin
lost cairn
I agree it's really good
I got confused: wasn't Mirage Shot renamed Skipping Stone at some point?
neon bramble
Dual shot was removed from Artemis tree, renamed to the duo skipping stone, which was then renamed to mirage shot
neon bramble
Someone actually said crystal beam felt too strong... Wut.
lost cairn
I like it. Really bad on it's own, though
neon bramble
It's good, but it's not "too strong" especially without support boons/duo
stoic thicket
Crystal Beam can get fairly ridiculous with the right support boons, without those boons it just really stinks.
neon bramble
I agree. So can virtually any other cast though
Blizzard shot
True shot + fully loaded and exit wounds
Hunting blades
Scintillating Feast
Crystal beam isn't as awesome against bosses on FO2 Though, it tracks slow without the duo
dire wedge
Speaking of Crystal Beam, what if Cold Embrace tracked the target you're attacking instead of tracking you? Might be a nightmare to code and balance but I'm still meh with Cold Embrace now.
Makes sense thematically too, since you're embracing the enemy
With cold lasers
dire wedge
What would you run in a Cold Embrace build?
neon bramble
Glacial glare + privileged status and killing freeze
dire wedge
Ah, I Privileged Status is what I'm missing. Arctic Blast would be cool here too, no?
naive tusk
Boon Progression Trees:
Duo Boon Charts:
Duo Boon Charts in black and white:
Thank you @forest marsh @stiff stone @unkempt geyser @granite lava @spring mauve for your help and support 
@fossil wing 
dire wedge
Niiiiiiiice
Yeah, but I prefer killing freeze for boss battles
I never thought of that. About time I try Crystal Beam build again
neon bramble
You don't need crystal beam for killing freeze
void fjord
hey do you guys think that smouldering air should be exchanged with the one that hermes has ?
cause smouldering air is capped at 25%
but hermes's goes till the god gauge is full
spring mauve
I was wondering for what reason I would possibly have been tagged here, pleasant surprise :)
turbid needle
smoldering air just fills up way faster
granite lava
@naive tusk not sure why you thanked me but you're welcome
small stirrup
Thank you so much guys for the new trees!
void fjord
@turbid needle yea but its capped at 25%, i dont mind if it was twice as slow and capped at 75% or reached full
small stirrup
The charge up speed is super worth it on almost any aid
small stirrup
Mostly on the ones where the max is just an extended version of the aid
void fjord
hmm tru i guess for athena call
small stirrup
I wouldn't use it for aphro or arty since the max gauge on those are pretty good
void fjord
that instancee of inulnerability is sweet
small stirrup
Yeah
random hull
Has anyone of you found out how Vengeful Mood interacts with Frozen Touch?
How will it choose its target?
turbid needle
hermes builds slowly which is ok I guess but smoldering air is just a different function
random hull
The thing is, Frozen Touch normally targets the damaging foe regardless of distance, instead of creating a circle around you.
void fjord
@random hull true but in my experience with vengeful mood thats the thing
@turbid needle yea hermes is good like @small stirrup said for aphr or arty calls
turbid needle
aphro is amazing with smodlering air I think actually
small stirrup
I agree
The stun lock you can pull off with just charming him is super underrated
I remember getting unhealthy fixation and it absolutely broke the hades fight cause he kept getting charmed and went out of his attacks
void fjord
hmm
it wld be good with dio too
especially if you have Low Tolerance
and aphro as special or attack
cause dio call does high amount of poison dmg
turbid needle
its good with most calls I think
void fjord
only one arrow
compared to 10 at once
deme also not great
you need time for that one
small stirrup
But when you just spam Demeter's is also pretty good
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air is easily one of the best boons in the game.
turbid needle
Artemis's Aid can also backstab.
I thought it wouldn't be great with Smoldering Air until I actually tried it and very strong.
I was going "Hm, this actually isn't bad against Dad." And then I fired one behind him and it started doing really consistent 1.3k crits.
cunning urchin
You would need a lot of extra backstab damage or t2 crit boons to get 1.3k crits with that.
turbid needle
That's possible, but that's also how Artemis works, you need something to make the crits themselves spicier.
Well, not possible, that's what happened.
I had backstab bonuses that run.
cunning urchin
Yeah, but Deadly Strike and Deadly Flourish are good even without a lot of support. Her Call can be solid with the right boons, but for something you can just slap on a build and it works, it's not that.
I didn't actually know it can backstab, or maybe I forgot. I rarely use it lol.
turbid needle
I didn't know it could until that boss fight.
cunning urchin
I guess Poseidon's Aid can, too. So it makes sense. Just hadn't thought about it.
turbid needle
Definitely one of the less impressive Calls, to be sure.
I just had a build that happened to set it off.
stuck elbow
tbh Poseidon is something I personally feel like I have been sleeping on, but I still prefer calls like Zeus
the "transform" ones like Ares or Poseidon aren't quite my style
turbid needle
I don't like either of the "transform" Calls.
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Aid and Dionysus' Aid I think are easily the best calls in the game.
gilded knoll
Pos call with that one boon for +time and drawin is fun
cunning urchin
Both for single-target and AOE damage.
cunning urchin
No need for breathing room when everything is dead.
void fjord
ares's legendary makes his call boom
turbid needle
Vicious Cycle makes everything better.
gilded knoll
When becoming a beyblade is fun
turbid needle
the dream zeus shield+ares call
gilded knoll
Now there's a true believe of the Path of Beyblade
turbid needle
I think that would work is Aspect of Zeus normally chased enemies, but part of what makes Ares's Call less powerful is that you lose access to the rest of your kit while it's working.
gilded knoll
Oh why stop there, use Ares cast with Artemis duo too
void fjord
the true beyblade would be with the spear
cunning urchin
Hunting Blades doesn't do anything for Ares' Aid. It only affects your cast.
gilded knoll
I know, chuck casts out, throw zeus shield and then Ares call. All the spin
void fjord
and also makes your blade bigger
the spin is with the spear
just hold attack and spin for days
dry ember
I need to fill put prophecies
What's a good weapon for Hunting Blade build?
No Achilles please
turbid needle
Poseidon or Eris.
cunning urchin
Talos.
turbid needle
Ooh, yeah, Talos.
stiff stone
@fallow sonnet did you try getting both prerequisites in that many runs and didn’t see Huge Catch once?
cunning urchin
@small stirrup Tempest Strike for Attack boons.
Although, for flat damage boons it would depend on the aspect.
cunning urchin
Drunken Strike can perform worse because you can cap your stacks quickly, and then any extra hits won't get any extra damage from your boon.
clear dome
is Guan Yu zeus attack viable?
small stirrup
Uhhhhhhhhh
No?
I mean there are better options and the strike rate on GY doesn't seem like it'd work
stoic thicket
Huh, good question. GY is probably right on the edge of viable for Zeus attack.
clear dome
never tried it bc im a conservative
stoic thicket
It's not a clear "hell no" like bow or a clear "hell yes" like Lucy.
small stirrup
In the end, Zeus Attack GY is essentially "Lighting El Drago"
small stirrup
You watched Metal Fusion?
cunning urchin
Guan Yu's Serpent Slash does 20 damage per tic at charge 1, 30 damage at charge 2, 50 damage at max charge.
clear dome
no i dont watch metal fusion, its just a translation @small stirrup
cunning urchin
Common Lightning Strike is effectively +50% at Lv.1 spin, +33% at Lv.2 spin, and +20% at max spin.
clear dome
so its, not that good
lost cairn
Does Rush Kick work with Demeter Aspect? Can't tell
lost cairn
It should but I don't know if it does
cunning urchin
Yeah, you'll get multiple hits.
gilded knoll
It does, it's just really hard to tell
lost cairn
Thanks. I think regular special deals damage in 2 instances and kick in 1
I might be wrong
Also it seems you only see damage you actually deal for a target to die, so no overkill numbers are shown?
cunning urchin
That's the case for armor damage. Not sure about HP damage.
If that's what you see, then that's what it is. 
lost cairn
it'll be easier to tell on a boss
neon bramble
Rush kick works with demeter aspect, yes.... But...
The hitstop on it is ridiculously long, and leaves you wiiiiide open
You have to be careful with it on Demeter aspect
lost cairn
Any idea for a Chiron build? I got bored with Aphro/Dio
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish.
lost cairn
Too late I'm going Demeter.. Flourish
lost cairn
That's what I'm hoping for
lost cairn
Charon was so easy with Chiron 😄
stiff stone
Try Artemis or Ares, they can get pretty nutty with the right boons/hammers oh Chiron
lost cairn
I got the Arctic Blast but not just that, also the hammer boon for extra arrows. This is really good
stiff stone
Nice, that should give you a blast per volley no?
lost cairn
Yeah it's 11 arrows now. Also the boon for consecutive hits as a bonus
lost cairn
Haha I have both t2 boons, but can't be that lucky
neon bramble
Are you running privileged status?
lost cairn
Yeah
neon bramble
If so, get a status effect on attack
lost cairn
I've finished this was so good. I had Ares
cosmic jacinth
killing freeze?
lost cairn
Made it so easy, yes. Only ran on 7 heat though
cosmic jacinth
whats that?
lost cairn
10 stacks of Chill instantly blows up for 100 damage
and clears the stacks
neon bramble
At epic level, it slows down enemies an additional 20%, and does 30 damage every 0.5s
No, that's arctic blast @lost cairn
lost cairn
So we are not even talking about the same thing. Nice! 😄
cosmic jacinth
per stack?
neon bramble
No
cosmic jacinth
oof
cosmic jacinth
wait u can get rid of all of there speed almost
neon bramble
More than
neon bramble
Full chill stack is 40% speed reduction + 20% more with killing freeze
cosmic jacinth
nu it is my best weapon though i do have zeuses shield
stuck elbow
yeah like it used to be insane, now its just very good
cosmic jacinth
what boon has highest dmg buff for special
stuck elbow
like Varatha probably is the most hammer reliant weapon imo
cosmic jacinth
also my zag is level 4 i think
stuck elbow
but its not bad by any means
cosmic jacinth
very true
neon bramble
Artemis for Crits, Aphrodite otherwise
small stirrup
Yeah... Don't use the spear
@neon bramble I'm sorry but WHAT
cosmic jacinth
so im not only big spear fan XD
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish has the best damage on Varatha. Deadly Flourish once you add t2 crit boons etc.
stuck elbow
tbh I normally do Achilles cast builds because of how beefy the post rush boost gets at later aspect levels
it was for a long while the only way I did play spear
fallow sonnet
@stiff stone A few things about Huge Catch. Out of approximately fifteen runs of attempting it about half were started with the conch shell. Either I'm extremely unlucky or it seems Ocean's Bounty and Sunken Treasure are barred as options. Using two re-rolls I never saw either as my first Poseidon boon. The other runs I took Chaos Egg first (I'm farming darkness and gems) and would take conch shell second. I even had a run with four Poseidon in a row. I took both Ocean's Bounty and Sunken Treasure every single opportunity. I would say out of those fifteen runs I may have gotten both in a run with at least one or two Poseidon boons after both the mirror upgrade that increases legendary chance and more re-rolls.
I know it's a rogue like with random elements, but there is a LOT of mitigation built into it and I never got the legendary once. I figured I had to be doing something wrong, but I'm fairly certain I was not. Looking at Heartful Peach's recent post to verify I was taking the correct boons, cross checking the wiki, etc. Huge Catch is just ridiculously hard to get.
cunning urchin
You do have the fishing rod? Just checking.
small stirrup
Holy shades where did that come from
neon bramble
I have literally never got huge catch except for the default time it was offered via story progression
fallow sonnet
Yeah. I've effectively beaten the game.
Every weapon is upgraded, 32 heat run done, 99 percent dialogue exhausted.
fallow sonnet
All I have are a few mirror upgrades, contractor upgrades, and some fish in chaos realm to catch.
All I have left, that is.
neon bramble
I have also never been offered fully loaded or winter harvest
And I have 200hrs in play time
fallow sonnet
Have you gone out of your way and exclusively focused on getting those builds?
fallow sonnet
I'll trade you. You can have my Winter Harvest. I want Huge Catch XD
fallow sonnet
Not really. I can easily get one or two every run.
small stirrup
laughs in Olympian Favor
cosmic jacinth
XD
lost cairn
Don't you get Huge Catch one time as an introduction for fishing?
neon bramble
Yes
fallow sonnet
Yep, that's the only time I've ever gotten it.
lost cairn
Ah ok, I've never seen it otherwise. I thought it wasn't even available.
Fully Loaded, I had many times. No Winter Harvest. Both needs two Tier 2 boons
neon bramble
I would personally like to see an item/charm that helps to influence mono builds
I like loading up on one God sometimes
fallow sonnet
@lost cairn Also, was reading back and was reading about your Excalibur run. Artemis is sexy, but I would like to vote Athena attack as surprisingly awesome. It seems due to Excalibur's hit box and wide swing any attacks are have an insane time trying to actually hit you especially through the aura.
lost cairn
Yeah I like that too. But them numbers.. 
small stirrup
***TRUCK *** noises intesify
fallow sonnet
Haha, agreed. The damage is beautiful. I think Excalibur might be my favorite aspect. If you ever wanna just left click, let go of the keyboard, and laugh at Hades Athena Attack, healing hammer, and Hermes dodge chance is hilarious. Turns you into a tank.
Sorry for all the typos. On my phone and still waking up.
small stirrup
Good Morning/Evening
stiff stone
Hmm and we’re you using the mirror talent?
fallow sonnet
For extra legendary chance? Yeah. Also for extra re-rolls if the boons I needed didn't show up in the list.
stiff stone
You need both sunken treasure and ocean’s bounty
fallow sonnet
Yeah :/ I had both on many on the runs.
stiff stone
Hmm unlucky then
Sry
It needs some changes, maybe if it allowed for more Styx pools
Cause I seem to get it in elysium
tired elk
With Stygian soul (Your Cast regenerates but no longer drops) how long does your little blood thingy stay inside them then?
or until you regenerate it?
fallow sonnet
That's one way to look at it. However, I think Huge Catch has less of a chance showing up than other legendaries which is understandable to an extent. However, over about fifteen runs running the shell with that as my single focus? That's roughly nine hours. I could get any other god's legendary in one tops two runs with that focus.
tired elk
until you regenerate one?
cosmic jacinth
when will i get my first fishing spot i just bought the rod
cunning urchin
It shouldn't need any t1 boons at all. Just give it a low chance of appearing at any time.
small stirrup
@tired elk It lasts for as long as it usually does
stiff stone
until you regenerate one?
@tired elk no
neon bramble
@tired elk casts stay lodged as usual
stiff stone
It’s the same embed duration
cosmic jacinth
when will i get my first fishing spot i just bought the rod
stiff stone
Yes
neon bramble
And exit wounds does work with it as well I believe
fallow sonnet
@cosmic jacinth Listen for a ding when a room clears and look for a light in the water. They appear every 10 to 15 chambers so about three times in a run.
tired elk
Does anyone know how long that is? lol
stiff stone
when will i get my first fishing spot i just bought the rod
@cosmic jacinth you get multiple per run
tired elk
exit wounds?
cosmic jacinth
k
tired elk
ah I see
stiff stone
Keep a keen eye and listen for a ding after clearing a room
Zag will also acknowledge them if near
tired elk
Does Abyssal Blood reduce their attack speed as well?
cosmic jacinth
wait i didnt get the big catch
tired elk
(Please say yes lol)
tired elk
rip
stiff stone
Does Abyssal Blood reduce their attack speed as well?
@tired elk no, seems to be only move speed
dry ember
wait i didnt get the big catch
@cosmic jacinth yeah becuase the catch should be huge
not big
dry ember
no
cosmic jacinth
wasnt it suppose to be a introductaryt
dry ember
most people I have seen take boiling blood
wasnt it suppose to be a introductaryt
@cosmic jacinth not neccessarily
dry ember
you will see eventually
stiff stone
Doom?
stiff stone
No
tired elk
yea no I should've known that mb
I just keep hoping lol
Chaos aspect Shield I'm guessing it isn't that good though
cosmic jacinth
Don't you get Huge Catch one time as an introduction for fishing?
@lost cairn
lost cairn
I did
stiff stone
It’s the best shield aspect imo
dire wedge
Chaos Aspect shield is one of the best in the game
cosmic jacinth
what about zeus
dry ember
It's cheap because it's that good
neon bramble
Zeus aspect is solid... In theory...
But it's difficult to utilize effectively and consistently for high heat
neon bramble
Now that you can't throw the special while charging bullrush, it's a little more difficult
cosmic jacinth
with dash doing 100+ dmg 70+ dmg per hit with special
and bigger dash strike area
stuck elbow
tbh Chaos Shield is easily the safest weapon choice in the game barring super specific hammer setups like Stygius with both flurry and cursed hammers
neon bramble
You used to be able to cheese bosses by infinite blocking and tossing the pulsing special out
small stirrup
Chaos Aspect is still OP?
neon bramble
Yes
cosmic jacinth
can u inf block hades?
small stirrup
Yes
stuck elbow
tbh try it with the new Ares/Dio Duo Boon
like that duo + Dio Special is disgusting
pop the multi throw anywhere but the corner and everything dies from alcohol poisoning
fallow sonnet
Weak attack and Aphrodite duo for even more disgusting fun.
neon bramble
Or seastorm for electric murder pinball
fallow sonnet
I love that!
lost cairn
On shield my fav is Ares/Aphro, Ares on special, Aphro on attack
Duo is a nice bonus. Synergy is really good with that build
stiff stone
Athena dash too for the doom duo ❤️
neon bramble
A low key fun build is ares attack + Athena special on chaos aspect, and go for merciful end
lost cairn
Nowadays I tried to avoid Athena dash lol. I feel like it allows too many mistakes 😄
craggy scarab
I'm having trouble finding Artemis legendary, what boons are required to get it?
neon bramble
All of them
cosmic jacinth
what is a goood combo to kill hades with the zeus shield aspect
rare topaz
Not all of them
dry ember
I'm having trouble finding Artemis legendary, what boons are required to get it?
@craggy scarab check the pin in this channel
lost cairn
Exit Wounds, Hunter's Mark, or Support Fire
from the wiki
rare topaz
Exit Wounds, any crit bonus like Pressure Points, and/or something else.
2 out of 3
Ayup
tired elk
If I have increased special damage and my special applies Doom does that doom do more damage? or probably not right?
dry ember
No
neon bramble
The wiki is wrong at this time I believe
neon bramble
They have increased requirements
neon bramble
Zeus + jolted and then get Demeter for cold fusion duo
dry ember
Zeus Splitting Bolt
neon bramble
That too
cosmic jacinth
yeah but hades is hard to hit with shield
craggy scarab
thank you all very much, i was checking gamepidea but it was obviously outdated
dry ember
Although doom on attack os slightly more damage
rare topaz
Spoiler the final boss...
cosmic jacinth
special
rare topaz
@cosmic jacinth
neon bramble
No need to spoiler
dry ember
yeah but hades is hard to hit with shield
@cosmic jacinth that's why you slow him down with Demeter
neon bramble
This is the builds channel
cosmic jacinth
aaah
hollow cliff
Is curse of drowning supposed to be able to almost instakill bosses?
neon bramble
If you have enough casts, yes
neon bramble
Ares + flood shot
hollow cliff
I only had 3 casts but final boss phase 2 went down in about 10 seconds
it was nuts
cosmic jacinth
huh
neon bramble
If you ask for a nerf I will have to slap you @hollow cliff
hollow cliff
I wont lmao
cosmic jacinth
what do i need for splitting thunder?
dry ember
Check the pin
stuck elbow
High Voltage, Storm Lightning or Double Strike @cosmic jacinth
neon bramble
You need two t1 Zeus boons, then high voltage + storm lightning or the other t2 (I think)
small stirrup
We should have a note for people to always check the pins =/
neon bramble
Yeah
cosmic jacinth
storm lightning?
stuck elbow
bolts leap between targets more
cosmic jacinth
also with double hit it is op?
cosmic jacinth
electric shot is t1 right
neon bramble
Yes
small stirrup
Going for another challenge run, hopefully this time I don't mess up
cosmic jacinth
does it add onto dash strikes
neon bramble
Oh, no it does not
neon bramble
Yep
cosmic jacinth
if u are spamming
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719976947190464594/731579941984141442/unknown.png t1 of shield aspect btw
cunning urchin
Chaos Aspect and I don't vibe at all. Maybe Zagreus Aspect or Beowulf will.
cunning urchin
Enshrouded Favor is a solid choice.
neon bramble
But blind rooms
cunning urchin
Doesn't matter much in Tartarus.
cosmic jacinth
wont affect my dmg mu8ch either since it will be from shield and also my zeus boons
picked
favor
lost cairn
A tip I recently learned about blind rooms, is that you can still see if it's unalterable
Pretty cool imo
cosmic jacinth
aah
lost cairn
I like room reroll more because it always costs 1 die, the other has it's price increasing
neon bramble
Boon rerolls make it easier to get duos and legendaries
lost cairn
Both are good of course
neon bramble
But RNG may still prevent the game offering you the god of your choice to begin with
lost cairn
I just don't like the cost increase
cosmic jacinth
WOW lol
neon bramble
You'll also find that certain gods only reroll a short list of 2-3 alternative gods
tired elk
Crystal beam doesn't seem like it does much damage
even if I have the 3 second regeneration time
neon bramble
It does but it's the tracking that is slow
tired elk
ah ok
lost cairn
You can control the rooms more. If you have two doors you already locked out one option for rerolls
neon bramble
It has to stay on target to see the damage
If you get the duo with Artemis or glacial glare support boon for crystal beam, you'll see how strong it can be @tired elk
Even with cold embrace it's good
lost cairn
I had it last run and triple beam with Lucifer. Couldn't see anything 😄
Crystal Clarity I mean
cosmic jacinth
XD
neon bramble
Yeah, it basically turns into snakestone lasers with crystal clarity
neon bramble
Dionysus is easy
neon bramble
Aphrodite is hard
tired elk
DA COLD WOMAN
neon bramble
Demeter can mess you up
lost cairn
My great discovery for today is that Ares special with Lucifer is actually pulsating Doom
neon bramble
And Poseidon can be a pain of you don't pay attention
lost cairn
Rail
cunning urchin
Have you tried, like, not just standing in the big icy things?
tired elk
I didn't know it cc'ed you when you try to dash out
and I tried to dash through it with my shield
nope
neon bramble
@cunning urchin change your name to Hypnos please 🤣
cunning urchin
CCd? Crush Countered? 
cunning urchin
How does it crowd control you, you're one person. That's not a crowd.
tired elk
THANK GOD
cunning urchin
Famous last words.
cunning urchin
lol I didn't even see Patroclus. I'm like you're so eager to fight him? lol
tired elk
the very first time I Fought him
I took 0 damage
I didn't realize how hard he was I should've saved my recording lol
I was like umm that was suppose to be hard? lol
cunning urchin
Well, get the free obols then.
tired elk
obols?
neon bramble
He's got 457 obols
tired elk
oh the gold
neon bramble
No need
cunning urchin
No, get all the obols.
tired elk
and yea the second time I fought him he stomped me
cunning urchin
All of them.
neon bramble
Don't let @cunning urchin use her feminine wiles on you bro
tired elk
If I wanna calculate 141 Doom damage and then 85% bonus doom damage
I would do 141(1.85) right?
neon bramble
Yep
tired elk
For some stupid reason I was doing 141(1.85)+141 for the longest time....
then I just realized wait I'm stupid.....
cunning urchin
I mean, you could just do 141 × 1.85, but sure, parantheses work.
tired elk
I'm a math major I don't see x very often :c
and I think it's easier without x anyway
would rather see ()
cunning urchin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dry ember
As a math major I don't see numbers often
neon bramble
A true mathmaster knows parentheses = x or *
tired elk
True lol
I'm only getting into Calculus so wish me luck
I'm still on the numbers portion of math lol
I tested into Calc without ever taking Trig...
neon bramble
And also knows what 30% of 100 is....
neon bramble
🤣
dry ember
Lol I graduated with Distinction with Math and Stats
No kap
And also knows what 30% of 100 is....
33 easy qick maf
neon bramble
Lol
gilded knoll
30(i^4)
neon bramble
That's the joke
cosmic jacinth
worst run ever was doing zeus run got only the cast untill hydra and died no attack buffs
or dash
do i take the trade?
dry ember
Show boon menu pkease
small stirrup
What weapon?
cosmic jacinth
shield
rare topaz
Boon menu.
tired elk
I don't think you want more attack damage for shield
cosmic jacinth
zeus
dry ember
I'll swap
tired elk
just normal shield?
dry ember
Deadly Strike does more than Lightning Strike
cosmic jacinth
but im trying for zeus legendary
tired elk
I don't know what aspect of Zues does
dry ember
Getting rid of Lightning Strike also gives you higher chance to retake Lightning Flourish later
I'll swap
For sure
dry ember
Zeus Special
cosmic jacinth
aaah
dry ember
Which is really good on Zeus Shield
cosmic jacinth
ik
dry ember
Then I hope mt reasoning makes sense :D
small stirrup
And I Died...
stray flax
Alright, beat Hades for the first time. Only took me Athena's dash reflect, Hermes' 6 dashes in a row and 3 death defiances lmao
small stirrup
Congrats!
small stirrup
Post a screenshot in #h1-victory-boasting to show off
stray flax
I didn't make a screenshot lmao
dry ember
Subsequent ones will be much easier
stray flax
nice
neon bramble
It gets easier as you level up
small stirrup
chuckles in 42 heat
dry ember
Until that yeah
stray flax
Yeah I maxed out pretty much everything on that mirror by now (for one side, I only used two or so of the 'green' talents', except for that rarity probability
tired elk
"Your Doom effects continuously strike Weak foes"
cosmic jacinth
im trying on getting more consistant epics/rares
neon bramble
It's good residual damage if you can apply doom to multiple enemies quickly
cosmic jacinth
that is smart right
cosmic jacinth
wait can i get pulverising blow on zeuses shield
neon bramble
Yes
cosmic jacinth
because i havnt been
tired elk
@neon bramble
random hull
Instead of disappearing after one hit, doom will continue to strike, but gets exponentially weaker. Hit with doom again to reset it to its old value.
neon bramble
It's not
tired elk
Obols*
neon bramble
You'll always get one tick off COL
tired elk
How is it not useless in ST if i keep applying Doom?
neon bramble
Before the next doom drops
neon bramble
There's a limit to how much doom you can stack, even with eternal chamber
So, once doom drops, you'll always get one tick off that doom damage before the next one drops from the reset
It's effectively a 50% damage boost on an optimal scenario
I had that on this build:
And I was able to stack 1k doom, and get a 500 DMG tick from CoL every cycle
random hull
An added advantage of Curse of Longing is more Privileged Status uptime.
neon bramble
That too
cosmic jacinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719976947190464594/731593597920739428/unknown.png best dmg iv had this early on
neon bramble
Explosive return sucks on Zeus aspect btw
cosmic jacinth
XD
neon bramble
My opinion
cosmic jacinth
if u spam it
u can catch it instantly
with the 38 dmg it does plus 8 i do around a hundo dmg in under a second
small stirrup
Who uses Zeus Aspect?
neon bramble
Sorry, I thought that was the 2 attack damage boost one
cosmic jacinth
XD lol
neon bramble
When it hits. Explosive return is ok
neon bramble
Yeah, I mistook it for a different hammer
There's one that is terrible for Zeus aspect because it doesn't work the way it is worded
random hull
Impressive. Too bad it's a health trove.
neon bramble
About the best you can do
cosmic jacinth
i just got support fire
random hull
Oh, that's a fun combination
cosmic jacinth
XD
ik
and STRONK
soo will i be able to catch it faster
if i get special is faster?
i want to know
heeelp
gilded knoll
?
cosmic jacinth
does the faster special allow u to catch a shield faster the shield im talking about is Zeus aspect
gilded knoll
I believe the shield does move faster so I think so?
cosmic jacinth
XD yay
think i could of killled the hydra in under half a minute if it didnt have invulnerability
void fjord
Bosses didn't have invulnerability
I could have one shot some of them
Hence the invulnerability to give them a fighting chance
agile granite
Does anyone have advice for using Guan Yu? I keep getting my ass handed to me, especially in Elysium
wanton trail
Do you have it fully upgraded yet? Its REALLY hard otherwise
But I find stacking Athena helps a lot to stay healthy
Athena Call with Quick Spin is quite nice to give you breathing room to heal
And I believe there is a hammer that makes you sturdy while charging the spin, which is really useful too
not 100% on that one tho
turbid needle
Yes, there is a Hammer that makes you Sturdy while you charge Spin.
wanton trail
ok yeah ty
agile granite
Yeah, I haven't leveled it yet. The heath reduction is the biggest hurdle for me so I'll try that first. And ill keep an eye out for those hammers, thanks
agile granite
Yeah, especially near the end where every single enemy does like 10 damage on their smallest hits. Man you really have to play -perfect- to beat even simple encounters
wanton trail
mhm!
Guan Yu is hard
one thing I ended up doing was charging up a spin between waves of enemies to throw it at them when they spawn for the free healing
I'm also fairly certain Demeter's Nourished Soul increases how much healing you get
serene phoenix
family favorite or privileged status?
unkempt pagoda
depends on what builds you like
turbid needle
Depends on the build you want/the seed will give you.
unkempt pagoda
privileged relies on you going after status curses, FF is more flexible but generally won't give you as high a bonus
serene phoenix
are things like doom status curses?
unkempt pagoda
yeah, in the tooltip they'll be identified as status curses
lemme list them out though
serene phoenix
I assume anything that sticks to an enemy is a status curse?
so Doom and Chill for base ones and Exposed and Jolted for extras on gods?
unkempt pagoda
yeah those
some status curses require an extra boon, but others come much easier
aphro/dio builds will get PS much faster than zeus/artemis, for example
Status Curses
Aphrodite: Weak
Ares: Doom
Artemis: Marked (from Hunter's Mark)
Athena: Exposed (from Blinding Flash)
Demeter: Chill
Dionysus: Hangover
Poseidon: Rupture (from Razor Shoals)
Zeus: Jolted (from Static Discharge)
anyways, i personally like FF since it doesn't rely on you going after specific boons (and having to apply the curses as well)
gleaming current
Same tbh
I do try privilege currently but it's pretty hard to apply without using several attacks at once or very specific builds
Pretty sure the only way to inflict two statuses with a single attack is poseidon zeus duo boon + 2 secondary skills for rupture/jolted
Which is, a lot of work
unkempt pagoda
don't forget revenge effects
gleaming current
Although, Aphro/dio dashes should help a bunch with status in melee combat
getting hit to get benefits is ultimate no from me dawg 
unkempt pagoda
vengeful mood said hi 
gleaming current
Huh, that apparently exists
you don't exactly get hit during that so my point still stands, but ye
unkempt pagoda
need to try a full vengeful mood build, but i think that would require some amazing luck
zeus + ares + aphro + athena + dem
main osprey
not true
turbid needle
You can get all 9 if you're very dedicated to it.
gleaming current
Hmm, i definitely felt there were more
Let's see
Huh, all screenshots I do have in fact stop on 4 gods + hermes
cunning urchin
There are essentially 4 slots for gods in a run that are random. Every time you pick up a new god, that god is set in one of the slots while the rest remain random. So, once you've picked up 3 gods, you'll see those 3 and 1 that remains random. Once you've picked up 4 gods, you'll only see those 4. I haven't verified if forcing a 5th god replaces 1 of the others or adds a 5th slot.
I also don't know if Fated Authority can bypass it and get a random god if you already have 4 because I never use it, but I don't think so.
unkempt pagoda
so a full vengeful mood build is possible
modest urchin
i've gotten 4 gods then equipped a keepsake but it didn't do anything for me so i haven't tried it again
cunning urchin
That puts the limit for Olympians at 7 + Lord Hermes, anyway.
cunning urchin
But he has some really good boons.
gleaming current
Well, most of them don't fit my playstyle sadly. Doom is way too slow and blades are a bit inconvenient to use
Correction: Doom hinders the damage potential of multihit attacks compared to other boon effects
(the most ironic part is that i scored highest heat with Dire Misfortune build anyway)
technically at least. Most damage should have been coming from Nemesis aspect and Double Edge
icy parrot
Hey, new here. Can you explain that a bit more please? Does Doom just have some sort of fall-off damage if you try to apply it a lot?
main osprey
It doesn't stack unless you have a certain boon, so applying it multiple times doesn't have much benefit, unlike other effects
icy parrot
Ah, I gotcha
Man no wonder I always thought doom was a bit off. Still kinda wanna give it a shot on a dedicated build tho
gleaming current
Yeah, pretty much
You could do about half a dozen attacks with regular weps and it will only proc once in that period
icy parrot
I'm thinking of trying a Zeus shield doom run, mostly because I have no clue how to properly use the blitz disc and I don't want to just fall back on Artemis again
turbid heart
does anyone else think the Rama aspect attack has a super weird hitbox? i have deflect on it and sometimes its goes through attacks without deflecting
neon bramble
For multi hit attack weapons, the damage is usually fairly low (ie: fists) on Individual strikes, so doom doesn't "fall off"
A full combo of fist strikes is 75dmg. Rare doom hits for 75, so it's essentially a 100% increase to attack on fists.
In fact, doom scales better than most attack boons and is very misunderstood by players, especially if you take impending doom, which makes it hit way harder than any attack boon out there.
It doesn't need to stack. Stacking is a nice bonus if you build around it though.
It also enables privileged status, and allows you to focus an entire group of enemies simultaneously instead of hitting it until fully dead.
cunning urchin
There's also the fact that you can hit a lot of enemies 1-2 times each, and they all take the full damage from Doom.
I guess that was your last point, actually. Hadn't read that far lol.
neon bramble
All good. I mean, there's even other more subtle benefits to doom I won't get into, but it is great for some weapons, and not so much for others unless you really go deep with Ares boons
neon bramble
Chaos aspect shield with doom on special is crazy strong if done correctly, for instance.
Use privileged status, apply weak with heartbreak strike using bullrush with Sweet surrender for support, fire chaos disc special with impending doom, and watch the damage... and then try it with curse of longing.
I still commend you for Hestia doom, but literally one of the weapon aspects I would never use it with 🤣
I get your logic, just don't like the complicated mechanics of that build you're trying
dry ember
What complicated mechanics?
neon bramble
Too much reliance on dash striking
Too rigid, anything that takes you out of that zone diminishes your capability to deliver enough damage
dry ember
Fair enough
dry ember
Dask Strike with Hestia I agree is a hassle
I mean I keep getting close, but not quite there, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
buoyant egret
how does support fire work with chiron bow special?
neon bramble
You get one arrow
neon bramble
Per special
buoyant egret
thx
neon bramble
It sucks, in other words
buoyant egret
would be pretty nuts otherwise haha
icy parrot
Chaos shield is quickly becoming my favorite to think up builds with just because of how ridiculous and fun filling the screen with shields feels. I did what I like to call a "pinball" build where I built for special Rupture and slamming into walls and it was amazing. Right now I'm thinking of using it to properly use Demeter's killing freeze. I'm not sure but is decay the most powerful-per-tick status curse? Not counting doom here, because doom is one big hit and then it goes away while decay seems like it eeps going for a duration. It seems fun to try out, and since chaos shield just throws shields everywhere, I figured that at any point it will hit everything on the screen at least once
Anyone got any tips for something that works well or facilitates that plan?
dry ember
funnily enough artic blast is better on Chaos Shield imo
Doom on Attack
Frost on Special
look for any kind of artic blast killing freeze and eventually winter harvest
neon bramble
Technically, hangover is the strongest status curse
dry ember
Hangover is strong against room, terrible against bosses