Maybe it's not ideal if you calculate out the numbers, but I'm speaking solely on exp ofc.
#h1-builds-and-combat
grand cedar
rare kayak
then why bring up the no choice heat
grand cedar
Because Im trying to have a pleasant conversation and I added in a joke.
Which is why I prefaced it with "hell, I..."
lost cairn
Do cast damage boons buff Beowulf charge attack?
grand cedar
We talking about these choices and I end up not even being able to proc privileged anyways cause rng.
wind vale
the cast part on beowulf is the final explosion thingy
so probably only buffs that part
lost cairn
Poor wording again
cunning urchin
We talking about these choices and I end up not even being able to proc privileged anyways cause rng.
I actually use Family Favorite most of the time simply because it's way more consistent.
Though a lot of people definitely swear by Privileged Status.
But I also pick DDs on high heat when most people use SDs for that lol.
grand cedar
I actually use Family Favorite most of the time simply because it's way more consistent.
@cunning urchin I switched over to family favorite, and then back. But I think I agree with you, and as these runs get harder, I might go back to fam fave.
wind vale
privileged status feels better even if numbers from family favourite should get higher
cunning urchin
I think the most important takeaway is that a ton of builds and strategies can work, and just because somebody hasn't made something work yet doesn't mean that it's not doable. 
wind vale
but its definitely more consistent
grand cedar
I mainly like privleged cause that icon when you proc it gives me excitement lmao.
cunning urchin
There are quite a lot of builds that have a low chance of proccing Privileged Status because they rely on t2 boons for that.
grand cedar
Like. I'm getting feedback about my dmg boost haha
wind vale
the sound from privileged may be part of it 😄
cunning urchin
Like, every crit build, for example. The only status curse from Lady Artemis is Hunter's Mark.
So you'll probably have Weak in that, and you might get Exposed or Hunter's Mark. But you also might never see them the entire run.
grand cedar
I'm a sad panda when I have hunters mark and revenge doom with privileged equipped, but nothing else. Lol
cunning urchin
And Hunter's Mark only applies to other targets than the ones you hit. So during the final boss second life, you'll never apply it.
grand cedar
Can you proc hunters mark from hitting skulls?
wind vale
thought the same
grand cedar
Not saying it's a good idea. But now I'm curious haha
mighty flare
yeah you can proc hunters mark from the skulls
dry ember
Yes
grand cedar
dry ember
You can also get Battle Rage damage that way
Highly recommend if you are playing bow or Hestia
Where you can one shot the skull and double tap Hades
wind vale
i almost always try to get athena dash and that tends to leave no skulls tho
dry ember
Oh poor thing
mighty flare
honestly the dash is a good idea for small hit builds
wind vale
ill have to take the crit from the athena artemis duo then 😄
dry ember
I'm sorry for your loss, must be tough running the game with Divine Dash
mighty flare
I'm sorry for your loss, must be tough running the game with Divine Dash
I cant tell if this is sarcasm or not 😛
wind vale
way too strong
grand cedar
I usually don't have divine dash. And when I do. I'm like. Well. I just halved the difficulty from last run.
mighty flare
honestly i thought divine dash was useless until i learned how to properly iframe through things
wind vale
and the range around you where you can sweep projectiles
dry ember
Dashing the big purple ball back to the spreaders in Elysium is one of the best feelings in this game.
It's the No U meme incarnate
grand cedar
The first time I saw the slowing field. I was like oh. So SGG really taking it this far. Holy crap.
cunning urchin
I think you'll reach a point where you'll value Divine Dash less because you can just i-frame with any dash at all.
And then eventually a point where you value Divine Dash a lot more again because Deflect.
lost cairn
Can someone help me explain how Beowulf works? The casts empower the Bull Rush, but does the Bull Rush get the effects as well? It seems that Sea Storm doesn't proc on Poseidon cast empowered Bull Rush
rare kayak
yeah the witch circle encounter is very funny with divine dash
unkempt pagoda
the casts explode at the end of the bull rush; the bull rush is empowered by having a cast in it, but does not gain the effects of the cast
random hull
The bull rush blocks, so there is utility.
lost cairn
Ok I'm actually seeing Sea Storm procs. They just didn't work on Lernie
Not sure about the actual knockback effect though
dry ember
What's you go to playstyle when using Zeus shield?
Do you just special once and run around dragging the shield
Or do you special multiple times keeping the shield close?
lament coral
you put Zeus special on it and do whatever you want
cunning urchin
Then you, well, you block!
dry ember
To maximize damage
cunning urchin
Don't pick TD, block forever, you never lose, so . . .
dry ember
You can't turtle on TD
dry ember
You guys are not helping lol
cunning urchin
@dry ember just use this strategy. https://youtu.be/yIRT6xRQkf8
stoic thicket
I have now been converted to the Fated Persuasion light.
Chaos is just so much more appealing with the Persuasion than the Authority.
cunning urchin
Wells of Charon, too!
You can buy out the shop, reroll, and buy it out again!
Add the Bone Hourglass to that, and you're stacked for an entire biome and then some!
stoic thicket
Yup, that too. It's so good, I just wish it had like one or two more baseline levels.
radiant swallow
Fated Persuasion is bonkers
stoic thicket
In particular for Chaos it's just so good. Before I rarely even took Chaos gates, just because it wasn't worth the cost. Most of the time I just picked whatever screwed me over the least, as none of the options were in any sort helpful. But with Persuasion the odds of getting something at least decent is just so much better.
lost cairn
Is Antos considered the best companion now? I'm seeing the youtubers running with it
turbid needle
boudly comes in clutch with the healing tho
lost cairn
Yeah, and I guess Antos only works for more than 1 target?
cunning urchin
What youtubers? Most of the top players are in this server, I think, so you can ask them for their thoughts on it.
cunning urchin
Important to keep in mind that using something doesn't mean it's the best.
lost cairn
Okay, just asking because maybe Antos has something I didn't notice
cunning urchin
It's new, so people wanna see how effective it is in different scenarios and stuff.
I only just got it, so I've been using it in all my runs since.
mighty flare
hey does anyone know how movement slow down works?
cunning urchin
It's fun.
lost cairn
I guess you guys don't really need the heal anymore
So can Antos hit one target two times?
stoic thicket
Antos is very nice because it is a guaranteed hit.
Meg, Than and Sisyphus can all whiff, Antos hits.
Antos will hit two different targets unless there is only one, in that case both hits will go on that target.
lament coral
what's the damage per hit?
proud storm
1,5k
stoic thicket
1500 per.
lament coral
so it's better against bosses than any other summon
proud storm
it can be used everywhere except against hades
lament coral
as usual
stoic thicket
Nah, Than deals 3.5k, and can hit both Theseus and Asterius if you time it correctly.
proud storm
needs to be timed though
lament coral
he still has an obnoxious delay though, right?
stoic thicket
Yup.
Riskier but if you can make it work the payoff is massive.
Antos is very safe, which is cool.
proud storm
sisyphus' companion is the only one that can be used against every boss
lost cairn
not as safe as Bouldy though
stoic thicket
Safe in the sense of "will always hit regardless of what happens".
lost cairn
okay
stoic thicket
Bouldy can whiff, you still get the goodies but the damage can be wasted.
lost cairn
I feel like I rely on Bouldy too much
stoic thicket
I've lately stopped using him and use the damage summons more.
lament coral
it's the healing
stoic thicket
Mostly Than though because the smorc is just so glorious, but Antos and Battie are great too.
lament coral
I just can't not take him on non-Guan Yu runs
you get food heals and darkness heals, however meager they might be
or mighty with darkness boosters
proud storm
i feel bad for dusa being the worst companion out there despite being badass herself
lost cairn
I hope Bouldy won't get nerfed, but he's too good
lament coral
she needs object piercing and better auto-aim
her stuff hits walls and pillars half the time
stoic thicket
Bouldy is fine, really. You get utility in exchange for less damage done than the rest of the gang.
Skelly and Dusa need some buffs.
lost cairn
Well even the fact that you can use it on Hades is huge
proud storm
skelly is good until you accidentally push him against a wall and one-shoot him
(or gets pushed against a wall)
lament coral
he dies super fast against Hades, and it's not like it's a good idea to taunt him anyway due to AOE spins
the biggest downside to Skelly is his inability to scale against Forced Overtime, causing him to die much faster
worthy adder
Which companion is best in erebus rooms
because thats the place I probably want to use them most often
jolly escarp
ares athena duo boon doesnt add dmg, it sets it to the amount displayed?
its not very clear in the description
raw fern
Anyone know if its intended for magnetic cutter's first damage portion to not scale with anything?
unkempt pagoda
@jolly escarp it does add damage. your attacks that can deflect automatically set off doom, plus the combo damage stated in the boon
cunning urchin
@worthy adder Skelly probably? Since he'll take all the fire for you.
jolly escarp
k, thanks onyx, would make or break the run in question
inland meadow
sooo how does curse of longing actually work?
autumn zephyr
so i'm at like 40+ runs
is ares ever good
am i undervaluing him or is he just kinda mediocre
main osprey
he's good with some builds
covert grove
I think he can work pretty good with Chaos shield (but then again what doesnt).
autumn zephyr
I haven't messed around much with Chaos shield builds yet, it's sorta next on my radar
but Zeus shield brought me some of my first wins and beowulf has been crazy fun so far
neon bramble
You are underestimating Ares @autumn zephyr
Think about it. How much damage does a single attack on most weapons do?
At epic LVL 1, doom does 100 damage on attack.
For some weapons, that's a 600% damage increase
It also allows you to hit an enemy a few times, and then let doom finish it off while you focus on another
autumn zephyr
makes sense
sort of a playstyle shift, that's kinda what i had expected
might be good with slower weapons potentially?
neon bramble
It is weird, and I disliked Ares at first too, until I understood it better
autumn zephyr
i think it's mostly blade rifts feel really bad
and i like a lot of fast weapons lol
neon bramble
I use Ares on fists all the time
Usually because I want to go for merciful end, but it's still decent even without it
Blade rifts require investment. You go all in, or avoid them completely
But when you do get the support boons, they are evil
autumn zephyr
got it
well maybe i'll try starting with his keepsake my next few runs and see what i can drum up
neon bramble
If you use fists, get Ares attack and Athena dash, then hope you get the duo boon
autumn zephyr
any other weapons that work particularly well with them?
neon bramble
Sword with the flurry slash hammer can be effective with doom
Lucifer rail as well, if you get the support boons for doom
I'll show you a Lucifer rail doom build, hang on
autumn zephyr
cool, thanks! i basically only play my featured weapons and i haven't had rail or fists show up in a while so hopefully i'll see one of them soon
i've also had middling success with lucifer rail, i ended up mostly giving up on making the special work but i was likely doing something very wrong
neon bramble
@unkempt pagoda if you look closely, I also had curse of longing
autumn zephyr
only done one run with it, still got it tho
unkempt pagoda
how good are you at positioning fjord
unkempt pagoda
try out hazard bomb lucifer just once
unkempt pagoda
quite
autumn zephyr
i honestly had a lot of trouble actually targeting the bombs
unkempt pagoda
had demeter special on it and each bomb hit me for 10
but i was doing around 1000 damage each
main osprey
uhg. I just got to Styx with a solid GY special build (started with an epic Aphrodite special, had her Legendary and the Artemis/Aphrodite duo) and crashed >.<
autumn zephyr
time to finish off with this rama special build
hangover really carrying this whole run
well
the win streak continues
okay, started a Poseidon sword run with rare doom on basic attack and the double dash strike
let's see what happens
main osprey
#h1-victory-boasting exists :P Nicely done though!
autumn zephyr
woop
main osprey
does Piercing Wave's hit dislodge bloodstones?
autumn zephyr
nah, it isn't on the special
autumn zephyr
but the basic idea was spam cast, dash in with doom, apply weak and bust stones with special and get fat exit wounds damage
it worked prretty well lol
autumn zephyr
what are people's favorite Arthur builds?
I generally just go for Artemis for crit but I wonder if there's anything else I should consider
unkempt pagoda
athena, since projectiles are slower in the aura
i've heard cursed slash isn't actually that bad with arthur
rare kayak
athena attack on arthur is bonkers
i dont like cursed slash on arthur
the attack does so much damage and is so slow that the health regen doesnt end up compensating much
rare kayak
the real hammer upgrade for arthur is an epic hermes boon
epic attack speed boon on arthur is insane
hasty garnet
Shield of Chaos special build, and Ares offers me "Special inflicts Doom" Thank you god..of war
maiden brook
https://imgur.com/jPYsc7o this build so pain lol
scenic fossil
is there a writeup somewhere for what god's buffs are good for which weapons?>
dry ember
Not that I know of.
I can probably write some cookie cutter builds but it will be controversial 👀
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike and Heartbreak Flourish on everything.
acoustic venture
Hmm
I’ve won a bunch on bow but I don’t really gel well with any of them? They all just feel slow for the amount of damage put out
I often just do minimum distance/drawback and spam attack
stoic thicket
Bow is a bit of an acquired taste, haven't been too fond of it myself either way. If you wanna see someone use the bow properly watch one of the bow high heat runs from Haelian.
acoustic venture
Only issue is it keeps giving me it for dark thirst and I’m trying to get all the bounties
So more and more difficult runs on a weapon I never really adjusted to
Killed my latest streak too
Also, which is more important, the boon itself or the rarity?
stoic thicket
Depends. If you need a certain boon to show up then getting it is usually more important than the rarity. Otherwise rarity is very, very helpful.
You deciding between +epic chance or +duo chance?
acoustic venture
Nah sometimes I’m stuck between choosing like a common heartbreak flourish or rare enemies give weak when they die
And I want flourish but the other ones epic
cunning urchin
Core boons are most of the time the better option in situations like that.
Because they open up Duo Boons, and you get better chances at getting the t2 boons you want.
Because they won't be offering you core boons for your empty slots all the time.
But it's still situational.
acoustic venture
Was looking at wiki and was saying that duo booms require specific core boons
cunning urchin
Some of them require specific ones.
acoustic venture
Like stubborn roots needs divine strike and chilling flourish or something along those lines, though I was able to get it without those
cunning urchin
Stubborn Roots should work with all core boons.
acoustic venture
So only the ones like Demeter/Artemis require specific boons, because they buff those specific boons?
cunning urchin
Yeah, basically.
Filling core boon slots that you don't really use will also help you get e.g. the Call from the god you want. So even that is a good choice usually.
autumn zephyr
sorry, just tuning in the middle here
Core boons = ones that apply to your actual abiltieis
right?
cunning urchin
Yeah, the 5 that are always on screen.
Like if I want to use Arrowhead in Asphodel to force Lady Artemis because I really want Hunter Dash from her, I'll really try to fill all the other core slots by then.
cunning urchin
Except maybe leave the Call open if I don't see a good one yet.
acoustic venture
Only call I actively avoid is Dio’s
cunning urchin
Why?
acoustic venture
If I already have hangover on strike or something it doesn’t stack differently
autumn zephyr
the call has always felt pretty awkward to use for me
cunning urchin
It basically does a ton of damage in a pretty wide AOE.
acoustic venture
Oh, I’d rather have strike bc then it’s easy procs or privileged
cunning urchin
Best Call in the game in my opinion.
autumn zephyr
i'll give it a second look sometime
acoustic venture
Huh, then what would you say is the worst?
cunning urchin
Demeter's Aid or Artemis' Aid.
acoustic venture
How’s that?
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid does like no damage unless you have a Greater Call, and you never get a Greater Call in most chambers.
acoustic venture
Greater is full bars?
cunning urchin
Greater Call damage still lacks behind other calls, too, unless you already run a crit build.
Yeah.
autumn zephyr
tbh i probably underutilize Call in most chambers, but Artemis carries boss fights
acoustic venture
I always just wait for full lol
cunning urchin
And Demeter's Aid does no damage even with a Greater Call. The AOE is wide, though.
acoustic venture
Probably hindering me
cunning urchin
They're not useless, but they're the weakest.
Zeus' Aid and Poseidon's Aid are up there for best calls, too.
autumn zephyr
I've always favored Poseidon and Ares
get out of jail free and get a lot of damage in the mean time
dry ember
Ares 👀
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Aid does more damage. Ares' Aid is a lot better now after the buffs.
Poseidon's Aid can skip any boss phase with some poms on it with a Greater Call.
autumn zephyr
well
cunning urchin
Except, I guess, during Hades's first life because he goes invisible a lot.
autumn zephyr
on your advice i'm grabbing Dionysus
this run is pretty cool though, running Arthur and got the hammer for his bigger sigil
cunning urchin
Good. Just mash that button every time it's up.
autumn zephyr
that + ares cast is pretty neat
cunning urchin
Or for i-frames when you need it.
autumn zephyr
oh yeah
i've been targeting curse of dragon on every shield run since i got beo
...curse of drowning
you just explode
it's so satisfying
autumn zephyr
https://i.imgur.com/yPNfSTc.jpg
this build was a whole lot of fun
throw down massive aura, fire off blade rifts, backstab
ionic jacinth
Out of curiosity fellas, what Weapon and Aspect perform best with a daedalus only build?
cunning urchin
Best for what? Whichever you like best, I suppose.
autumn zephyr
i'd go arthur myself
ionic jacinth
General DPS, MewMew
cunning urchin
It's Mewmew not Mew Mew. 
ionic jacinth
Yeah I figured Arthur or Chiron
merry oxide
chiron works
cunning urchin
Probably Hestia.
dry ember
Deadelus only build? Yeah Hestia, maybe Nemesis
cunning urchin
Or Zagreus Aspect + Spread Fire? I don't know how it performs now after nerfs.
autumn zephyr
what's the move 👀
dry ember
Excalibur needs boons while not benefiting too much from hammer
merry oxide
no idea how luci performs now after nerf
dry ember
Excalibur Daedelus only is a bad idea
merry oxide
but the main build used to be zeus attack and support fire
dry ember
Lucy nerfs were reverted I heard
cunning urchin
I think Chiron DPS will greatly disappoint you if you think it has a chance to be the best.
merry oxide
wait really?
dry ember
Is that not true? Per Haelian lastest video
merry oxide
I need to try luci again then
dry ember
He ran 45 heat and mentioned the nerfs were reverted. Now that might be out of context so dont quote me on it.
Just slap zeus on Rail and call it a day
merry oxide
support fire for extra daymage
cunning urchin
No Support Fire. Single-boon runs only.
dry ember
Zeus is perhaps the best solo god. Literally everything synergies with each other with no branching paths that dilute the pool.
magic dagger
all athena makes you invincible at almost all times
cunning urchin
Actually no. He has a chain lightning path and a lightning bolt path.
And a call path.
dry ember
Both lead to Jolted and Legendary
dry ember
Call boon synergizes with Zeus Aid which in turn is boosted by a myriad of lightning boons
cunning urchin
You mean you just wanted to visit Hypnos.
autumn zephyr
hazard bomb luci for the extreme meme
dry ember
I don't even use special on Luci unless I get Triple Bomb
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is obviously the best solo Olympian.
Why are you laughing lol.
Highest damage on most weapons, Weak, straightforward paths that lead to more damage and damage reduction.
- Unhealty Fixation
magic dagger
she has nothing but damage and damage reduction
athena makes your enemies kill themselves
cunning urchin
- Life Affirmation
magic dagger
oh and makes you invincible for good measure
cunning urchin
nothing but damage and damage reduction
That's like all you need.
Deflect doesn't save you from TD. I've tried. A lot of times.
magic dagger
brilliant riposte saves you from TD
dry ember
I think many other gods can outdamage Aphrodite
cunning urchin
Not alone, no. Not on high heat anyway.
dry ember
Aphrodite has core boons and Weak Surrender that give damage.
Dying Lament is situational
So I find the damage part severely lacking in a solo situation.
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike and Flourish also scale the best with poms.
dry ember
Yeah but with exponentially diminishing return.
And again, 2 core boons + Weak Surrender is somewhat underwhelming damage wise
cunning urchin
You're underwhelming damage wise.
Hmph.
I've been told Charm will make EM Theseus kill EM Asterius in 3 shots.
So your arguments are invalid thanks to that witness account.
dry ember
In like 1 fight
acoustic venture
Zagspect malphon seems real good
dry ember
It's okay Aphrodite isn't the best solo god
cunning urchin
@acoustic venture it is!
dry ember
What is love when you are all alone anyhow
cunning urchin
@dry ember I'm not talking to you ever again. 🔫
dry ember
Meanwhile best girl Artemis goes Brrrr no matter the situation
acoustic venture
I haven’t upgraded Demeter or Talos but the buffs don’t seem as strong
Especially magnetic cutter, only pulling 1 enemy isn’t as good as like aoe pull
autumn zephyr
I love Talos
works really nicely with Zeus special
3 hit special for the big damage
worthy adder
Has anyone actually finished a run boonless?
Thats not possible right? since you have to take boons when you're offered them
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's been done.
You can not use boons that you're forced to pick up and sacrifice everything at Pools of Purging.
dry ember
Yeah Nyaa did some runs boonless, or rather coreless. I did some Olympian boonless runs on my channel but I kinda cheated xD.
acoustic venture
Are all the legendary aspects besides GY good at base level?
dry ember
Arthur, Luci are good at base
autumn zephyr
I've had a lot of success with base Rama
dry ember
In fact GY needs some investment if you don't want to be one shotted, no?
acoustic venture
Legendary aspect for the most part seems to be “here’s the slow version”
cunning urchin
I liked Guan Yu at Lv.1.
acoustic venture
Arthur, Beo, Rama, GY
cunning urchin
But back then we could still throw the spin through walls and pillars lol.
acoustic venture
Main gimmick is all around charging up as opposed to run n Gun
acoustic venture
Power shot just feels like it takes forever to charge in comparison to others
autumn zephyr
Honestly on Rama i just fish for Dionysus special and spam special
for the most part
cunning urchin
You don't necessarily need to do a Power Shot, though.
autumn zephyr
that's true. I had an incredibly fun Rama build with twin shot/point blank
dry ember
Main gimmick is all around charging up as opposed to run n Gun
Actually main gimmick is that 45 base damage special with Explosive Launcher built in. This makes GY faster than other spears since you don't need to recall, kind of.
autumn zephyr
man
I do NOT jive with Luci
That run was ridiculously tight, fighting Hades with that thing will take some getting used to
brisk copper
note to myself: Curse of Drowning is not a good idea with Hera bow. Especially after putting lots of poms into cast and knockback effects.
autumn zephyr
what, you don't like launching your enemies across a chamber?
brisk copper
welp.. i didn't expect it to make just several swordspecial-like swipes, without any knockback at all
with shield or fists it would be nice, but not with this..
autumn zephyr
just picked up shadow slash for Arthur
rare kayak
boonless is probably easier now than ever
with sisy keepsake buff
doesnt mean im gonna do it but
cosmic shadow
so what are the new beowulf cast boons like? Only got Demeter's chill explosion so far
gonna assume they all work kind of like that
AoE explosion + status effect
autumn zephyr
that's been my experience
random hull
Ares cast is vastly increased in size, however shortened in duration.
cosmic shadow
wonder how artemis' cast would work with it
quasi sage
Hello! i've been browsing aroudn here for build theory and tips, is there any orderly source i can check? Pins aren't talking about builds per se
left eagle
Just one more and I can snap half the underworld away
https://i.imgur.com/vUIicGm.png
rare topaz
... Holy hell.
random hull
Darkness! Wisdom! Chaos! Styx! Skelly! By your powers combined, I am Captain Defiant!
left eagle
I like how Skelly take place of Heart in that
Being as hes arguably the only one without one lol
turbid needle
nice
quasi sage
Thanks
proud storm
new chaos curse, "Silent [suffix]"
For the next 3 Chambers, every time you Speak, get hit for -4 ❤️ .
rare topaz
Punishment for responding when they didn't ask you to respond.
cunning urchin
@quasi sage there's no resource like that, the closest thing is you can check the pinned spreadsheet in #h1-high-heat-strategies for 40+ heat clears. It lists some of the most important boons/hammers for the run and has links to the videos, so you can see how things came together and were used.
quasi sage
Thanks !
empty robin
Does anyone use Thunder Flourish for anything other than Zeus and Rama?
empty robin
That sounds good ngl
lost cairn
Is it considered this bad?
turbid needle
nah zeus is great on anything thats multihit
just question if you put it in special or attack
lament coral
the scalability is the problem
lost cairn
If I pick Zeus I try to get all the T2 boons for the lightning
But I get it, the faster you hit the more procs you get, you won't be compensated for a slower weapon
But it's fine for special on sword I think, especially Nemesis
lament coral
Sword special does 50 damage, common Zeus special is what, 30 damage? That translates into 60% damage increase
At the same time, common Aphrodite special is 80% and benefits from any base increases, like the hammer that gives +20% damage
lost cairn
But you have the lightning bounces, and jolted etc
lament coral
Zeus special doesn't bounce
lament coral
it's a legendary that requires serious commitment
Aphro gives you more right out of the gate
lost cairn
Your lightning bolt effects have a chance to strike twice. - Double Strike
lament coral
oh that, that's fair
lost cairn
Aphro's better from the get go, but I prefer that on attack
And most of Zeus T2 boons are good imo, and most boost the lightning proc in some form
empty robin
But I was talking about how Thunder Flourish is only considered good on those 3
And to put it on the sword is not good imo
lost cairn
Okay then 😛
How is it that I have the Poseidon keepsake on in Elysium, and Demeter is my first door? I get how it works with Hermes, but what's this?
broken charm
that was bigger than i thought
lament coral
@lost cairn normal door or Erebus?
lost cairn
Normal. First one in Elysium
lament coral
that is strange. 
it
lost cairn
I'll double check if I switched my keepsake before Elysium, but I think I did.
Yep, I had two locked, and I picked up Poseidon as third.
scenic fossil
@dry ember cookie cutters would honestly be a great starting point for especially for people like me over in #h1-for-new-players
grizzled lintel
does poseidons aid knock back?
i got offered his duo boon with zeus but all i have is his call
scenic fossil
I just feel overwhelmed with choice and don't know who goes well with what ito when to go for pom upgrades and that sort of thing
leaden hare
hello guys, I want to discuss a problem that I have been encountered twice after the blood price update.
Here's the problem: I like to use Frost Flourish for Chiron special, so I used a keepsake to get it, but I never get any other enhancements related to the same god in this run. And since I planned to use it as the major output, I didn't exchange it when Poseidon offered me one special in Tartarus, consequently I kept getting Poseidon related boons, without updates for my special, and it becomes really hard for me. I know there are no-core-boon gameplays, but I am still used to having core boons that goes with my weapon. I want to know how to deal with this situation, because yesterday it happened with my Crit build, which I narrowly survived; but this time I died because I don't know what to do after the game didn't offer me any tier 2 or tier 3 upgrades, while my strategy are heavily based on them.
dry ember
@scenic fossil you can ask on a case by case basis. People are more than happy to give general tips, still.
clear dome
well, you should not try to go for a build, but you should go where the wind blow you. take the purse in the first floor, then see which gods appear and which of those you wanna build around, then take their keepsakes the next floors, its better that way @leaden hare
dry ember
@leaden hare short answer is that there isn't much you can do. You can't force build. Weighing risks and rewards in boon selections is an integral part of the game.
tepid ridge
Honestly that idea is sure to overhaul my hades strategy when I start playing again, since I’ve just always forced boons on the first floor. I wonder how the game feel changes keeping that in mind
clear dome
well, you can also get a lot of rerolls, but that takes too much rng
dry ember
Actually I guess running Fated mirror talents is a bandage solution to that
clear dome
when tyche is not looking down on you then fated can be horrible
dry ember
If we want to talk RI1+, UC, or AP2 runs then it's a different story. I am assuming you don't have those options enabled.
leaden hare
tbh if I didn't use TD1 I would've survived
clear dome
there is this way to cheat the system, you equip purse, you go into tartarus, see which boon appears, then give up and choose the mosts suitable wep for that god
leaden hare
I died at the boss bc my build was a mess, and the time ran out.
dry ember
yeah, just soft seed the run if you are really struggling.
torpid wren
Tried the new bow again last night and I really like how it feels now. Don't know what they were thinking by making its power shot speed so slow when it came out. I also tried out Repulse Shot for the bow and.... I think it downright sucks?
I get the defensive element so maybe I haven't just seen how it synergizes with other upgrades. The knockback splash does no damage unless it slams foes to walls/lava/traps... but I'm guessing it could deflect projectiles with an Athena attack.
I ended up killing the run early after noticing how unfun it felt, so i didn't get too much time to experiment.
green plover
Had a decent Zag Sword build (should've screencapped it) even though I aimed mostly for the prophecy boons. What I noticed was-
- Poseidon's knockback is your worst enemy if you get the Witches' circle. The enemies got pushed into a tiny corner deep into the lava. Otherwise it was a really good boon for me, I used it flexibly with dash-strike.
- Some of the final Styx rooms feel quite unbalanced. I had a normal tunnel which spawned I think three waves full of all three kinds of enemies at once in a big final room, compared to others which had effectively much more easier final room.
- Some of the pillar hitboxes are a bit wonky in Redacted's layout. The ||Laser|| attack effectively hit me through the wall, which sorta killed my (already half-dead) run there.
Point 1 applies to weapons like Sword btw.
clear dome
- Its how its always is, most skull styx final chambers are easier than the normal ones, take the layout that have 2 poison traps and 2 saw traps for example, you are bound to lose more health in there than in a room with both the mega snakestone and mega bother in it. However, there is also the king vermin, who i guess is kinda a deterrent to going for skull rooms over normal ones
- They fixed the wonky ness of the pillars a bit tho, in the last update you can only barely dodge the laser behind the stones
green plover
For me it was the round pillar closest to the exit door.
Should I tell them about 3 in feedback?
clear dome
well, i dont think its wonky but because teh angle is diagonal the pillar appear bigger than it really is
idk
green plover
Aight.
fickle mantle
Is it just me or does dashing through an obstacle doesn't stop you from getting hit anymore
I seem to be always getting hit by the elite cyclops head purple wave thing even when dashing through it
fossil furnace
Yeah I find I'm getting hit inside a dash more often. Maybe I'm just getting better at the game, and noticing these things
Btw, does anyone have a tier list for CALLS?
mossy zodiac
I've had a weird idea. Charon aspect for Coronacht is the best for auto-attack since it blocks two trash-tier hammers (charge-special and some other, don't remember which). Thoughts?
fossil furnace
I've had a weird idea. Charon aspect for Coronacht is the best for auto-attack since it blocks two trash-tier hammers (charge-special and some other, don't remember which). Thoughts?
@mossy zodiac It's Charged Volley & Piercing Volley!
I agree to some extent, but but... I love Charged Volley! The noob in me found it amazing, and then I discovered Aegis special. Which I won twice with, placing special on my LMB as main attack lol
rare topaz
Hm.
I'm about to try Rama for the first time. Reckon I should build around special, or attack? Any recommended builds?
fossil furnace
Would love to help, but I'm only on 30-40 runs
rare topaz
RIP
fossil furnace
The sword
random hull
Rama builds seem to diverge into two directions. One is to rely almost entirely on Special (Zeus, Dio, Demeter) + Support Fire, the other is attack heavy with certain Hammers (Point-Blank Shot, Twin Shot).
rare topaz
Aid.
random hull
Each Special arrow does merely 5 damage, but is super fast, meaning it's made for on-hit boons.
rare topaz
Fair
I'll try it with Zeus! Cheers for the advice
Aaand my first boon is a Daedalus hammer with Repulse Shot and Relentless Volley.
Given I'm building around special, volley surely, yeah?
random hull
Yes.
rare topaz
Cheers
random hull
The Relentless Volley is better on Rama than on regular bow, because the arrows still all go in the same direction.
Try to get Swift Flourish when you meet Hermes.
rare kayak
yeah if u can get relentless volley on rama for a special build your dps practically doubles
its insanely strong
fossil furnace
Is Killing Freeze well rated?
fossil furnace
I lucked in on this run, got it right at the end of Act 1
dry ember
then enjoy your massive damage upgrade 😄
fossil furnace
Yeah thanks! I've only reached Heat 2, so will need it!
neon bramble
Well, I have somewhat good news for you.
If you can beat final boss at all, he is virtually the same on any heat. Only a handful of things on the pact change him, such as forced overtime or calisthenics program, and hard labour
The pact generally makes getting to him more difficult, but not that fight itself
And yes, killing freeze is a boss destroyer
cunning urchin
Hard Labor, Calisthenics Program, Forced Overtime, Heightened Security, Damage Control affect the fight.
earnest ravine
it can make the skulls really annoying to kill
cunning urchin
Well, it does affect it anyway. Unlike the others.
earnest ravine
Just depends on the other modifiers
dry ember
I mean even at base confiq Hades is no push over.
cunning urchin
Lasting Consequences affects it only if you use Bouldy. Tight Deadline affects it because it adds a time limit.
somber marlin
Wait, Bouldy actually has an effect on the game? I thought it was just a cute addition?
random hull
Also remember to gift nectar to Bouldy. You will receive a small boon from him.
heady zephyr
say, black metal affects the rifts from ares' beowulf cast, right?
flat brook
Hoarding 6 FP die until styx then rerolling 3 times at styx and not getting the duo you want #JustFatedPersuasionThings
cunning urchin
Maybe you should have used those 6 for 6 individual rerolls over the run.
Or for 4 at least.
flat brook
i would if the game gave me boons... left tartarus with only 3 boons and hermes appeared only 2 times in the whole run
wanted to see if FP was better but guess i'll stick with FA
cunning urchin
Sounds to me like just a lack of experience with it. I get Duo Boons very consistently with Persuasion. 
flat brook
i got 3 duos without needing to reroll
but when i really needed the last one i didnt get it
cunning urchin
But I have the same problem with Authority that it just seems so entirely underwhelming that I just want to go back to Persuasion immediately lol.
So I get where you're coming from.
flat brook
the trick with authority is to use it only when there's 2 gold laurel doors
you can guarantee a boon with 2 rerolls, maybe 1
and reroll on minibosses to get you a better god
cunning urchin
Yeah, so I've heard.
But you can't reroll boons that you get from elite chambers or Charon to get the Rare/Epic that you want? Can't reroll Wells, Pools, Poms? Can't reroll your starting boon?
I also learned to lean into the gods I see with Persuasion, so I end up not using Authority as much as I should probably lol.
flat brook
with authority you go for quantity over quality of boons
you'll eventually get really good boons if you see 5 gods instead of 2
cunning urchin
I don't think you'll get to see 5 instead of 2. It's not that much.
flat brook
it's a very noticeable increase
my highest boon count with FA leaving tartarus was 7 boons, no trials
and in my last run with FP i left with 3, one of them being from charon
also for me hammers are pretty hard to come by for some reason
in the peachy challenge i wasted 2 runs because in both only 1 hammer appeared at all
since i couldnt reroll
cunning urchin
You'll always see 2 hammers before Styx. If you skip 1, it's guaranteed to show up in Styx.
cunning urchin
I wonder if something changed because of the Anvil.
stoic thicket
Don't think so but the anvil definitely has some desire sensors attached. Any time I would gladly take it it's not offered.
cunning urchin
I still see 2 all the time, though. I suspect you missed one (easy to miss a third boat in Asphodel sometimes), but no idea why it wouldn't show up in Styx. That's strange.
tender loom
Does hunting blade and ares demeter duo stack?
glacial sierra
Boiling blood, posidon aspect on the sword, exit wounds and artemis legendary is prettydamn fun with any cast that sticks too enemies
weak rivet
Ok
So
Im 10 heat
Hestia lvl 4
I have heroic divine strike, epic aphro special, seeking fire (forst time using it, realized it isnt good for hestia but who cares at this point)
Currently my hammer options are hazard bomb, explosive fire, cluster bomb
Heple
Does explosive fire work w hestia
Alright ill just take cluster and carpet bomb the perimeter
wild fiber
gonna mess with the rama bow rn, anyone have any strong/fun builds for it?
narrow rampart
I haven't played much since the update, but I think aphro attack/Dio special would work well on it?
esp if you get the duo boon
haven't tried that combo yet, tho
heady zephyr
explsove and piercing fire both work great with hestia iirc
naive tusk
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Lamentably, I have to inform that I won't be organizing them from now on. @eternal quartz will be assuming responsibility of them so contact him for anything of relevance if needed.
May you all enjoy escaping from the Underworld and remember to have fun!
somber marlin
Why? Why would you torture yourself like that?
proud storm
in which i forget chaos' curse and almost give myself a heart attack https://streamable.com/y8nqf0
warm kayak
86 runs in and I might have just had the most fun run I've ever had. Fists of malphon + like every knockback & wall damage boon (dash knockback, +3 dashes from Hermes, boon where every enemy gets knocked back twice, boon where knocking into a wall triggers explosions, etc)
Plus poseidon cast and chain lightning+reach hammer on the attack, just abject chaos
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish + Charged Skewer.
Divine Strike and Frost Strike are both nice if you want to weave in some spins for healing.
autumn zephyr
any particularly cool duos to look out for?
cunning urchin
Err... If you take Heartbreak Flourish, I would aim for Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air.
- Second Wind from Hermes ideally.
If you take Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish or Deadly Flourish + Divine Dash, you could go for Deadly Reversal. But it won't make a huge difference.
lost cairn
So the special build is still cool?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
glacial sierra
I want to do a hera bow trippy shot build would you recommend Scintillating Feast or ice wine
glacial sierra
Ik but I don't see that happening
cunning urchin
I would start with Trippy Shot and see what other gods show up in Tartarus, then take it from there.
glacial sierra
I only have 2 runs that i got 2 duo boons in
cunning urchin
It's a lot easier to get those once you have some points in Fated Persuasion or Fated Authority.
If you see Lord Zeus in Tartarus but not Lady Demeter, I would force Lord Zeus in Asphodel just to double down on that. And vice versa.
If they both show up, I guess I'd force Lady Demeter in Asphodel.
unkempt pagoda
there's nothing in this game worse than speeder puller chariots ❤️
final warren
ok, so, IDK if its just me, but has anyone noticed that you cant i-frame though FBs skull novas anymore?
I just lost to him (though I am rusty) and I noticed I wasnt able to dash through any of them
kinda effed me
final warren
great, its just me then lol
final warren
I literally got hit by every nova I tried to iframe through
autumn zephyr
I haven't played GY in like 10 runs and i'll prolly lose my win streak on one of the best weapons in the game lol
cunning urchin
Dash-Strikes cancel i-frames from dashes.
autumn zephyr
I genuinely forgot it had lifesteal on the spin and I just...
final warren
i wasnt daskstriking (using Exagryph)
and halfway through, I was testing it
got nailed everytime
(dashing straight through)
final warren
ill have to try it again
wasnt sure if I missed a patch note that changed the behavior
heady zephyr
achilles feels significantly better now
final warren
in other notes, the ??? aspect of exa is very fun
heady zephyr
i do wish the bonus damage only applied to hits that connected, but the variable dash is very smooth
final warren
lots of possibilities for builds it appears
autumn zephyr
lazer go brrt
heady zephyr
anyone tried hades spear since the buff? the range seems pretty huge
final warren
i enjoy hugging FB so much more now, the irony
FB goes brrt, I hug and go brrt right back
autumn zephyr
ugh
just went into Hades with no extra lives, got him to 25% on second phase ): rip winstreak
was a cool GY build thought, had the charge special, zeus call, heartbreak flourish
just literally forgot GY could heal
cunning urchin
2 hammers should always appear before Styx. It's easy to miss a third boat in Asphodel, for example. So that might have happened to you.
autumn zephyr
Alright, so 2 could appear in Elysium
cunning urchin
Yes.
autumn zephyr
rad
cunning urchin
If you skip 1 or both hammers, 1 will appear in the Temple of Styx.
I think if you skip 2, 1 will appear in a tunnel and the other for sale? I don't normally skip 2, so not sure lol.
autumn zephyr
nice
got hammers b2b, got greater consecration and shadow slash
baseball arthur online
autumn zephyr
any cool duos for blade rifts? gonna try going all in on them with beowulf
heady zephyr
beowulf with blade rifts seems very good
only really excellent beowulf cast i've found honestly
so far at least
summer linden
haha i got a perfect clear but it was my 10th win in a row so i got decathlete instead
slightly salty
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
forest marsh
@naive tusk Thanks for the challenges you've organized and the community building you've done 
I look forward to seeing what challenges @eternal quartz can come up with
dry ember
@naive tusk Yeah, thanks for starting it! The challenges were fun and I hope the name Peachy Challenge will stick. Looking forward to new ones in the future!
fossil furnace
Hi, I have Thunder Flourish & High Voltage in Act 1 already (Weapon: Twin Fists). I'm deciding between Zeus' Aid & Static Discharge (Assuming Electric Shot is a non-starter).
magic dagger
I would usually take call, but static discharge can proc privileged status if you have it, and is generally just a lot of bonus damage
fossil furnace
Ooh cool. I'm only in chamber 9, so I'll take Static Discharge since it's not a terrible choice then!
unkempt pagoda
jolted can do quite a lot of damage for a status curse
main osprey
@naive tusk could the link to the weekly challenges be pinned?
fossil furnace
Alright! I don't have Privileged Status, but I'll start investing in it soon
jolted can do quite a lot of damage for a status curse
@unkempt pagoda I realise it's as good as doom, which was my favourite when I was still new to the game. (Level 2 Doom*)
magic dagger
it only procs when enemies attack, making it not quite as good DPS-wise
fossil furnace
Ohh true
unkempt pagoda
it's not, but doom is also a large part of ares's kit
cunning urchin
Which aspect of Malphon are you using?
unkempt pagoda
jolted is a nice cherry to have that can pack quite a punch
fossil furnace
No aspect lol. So technically Zagreus?
cunning urchin
Ah okay.
fossil furnace
I'm enjoying the fun part of it now already. The Louts (which do a charge dash) die from Static before they move an inch
Currently pretty bad at Twin Fists of Malphon. Getting hit in most Act 1 chambers
cunning urchin
Normally you focus on Attack on it, and the Special basically doesn't matter. So tier 2 boons for the Special would be kind of a waste. Thunder Flourish is also not the ideal flourish for it either.
I usually treat the Special slot on it as a filler to get a Duo Boon with that god later or simply to fill a core slot I don't need, so that I can increase the odds of getting the boons I want in the other core slots.
fossil furnace
Ooh cool! Was gonna ask if I should sell it, but it's for keeping then. 165 gold tho
Maybe after Act 3
cunning urchin
I'd just keep it.
Otherwise the gods in the 4th region start to offer you Special boons instead of the t2 or t3 you would want at that point.
fossil furnace
Ooh okay
cunning urchin
3 slots for them to offer t2 or t3 boons are better than 2 slots and 1 flourish you don't care for.
humble swallow
i dont post much but this was absolutely the straight up most disgusting build ive ever had in a run. felt like i had cheats turned on by the end lol
dry ember
I don't know what the build is but I'm happy you had fun.
humble swallow
my printscreen button has decided to stop working
lol
i shouldnt have posted that soon >>
unkempt pagoda
can we guess
humble swallow
sure lol
unkempt pagoda
is it a cast build
humble swallow
its busted off two components, throwing out the casts immediately being one
unkempt pagoda
ravenous will + crystal beam?
humble swallow
nope
unkempt pagoda
you can upload it at imgur or some place else and link here
i'm trying to think of a build that would need casts thrown out first
is it hunting blades
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot + Black Out.
unkempt pagoda
ah i should've thought of that
humble swallow
dry ember
It's Spent Spirit and Vengeful Mood
humble swallow
doesnt need the casts thrown out
humble swallow
you just spam special on the rama bow
which ive seen a lot of people do
but i actually got everything to line up this time
unkempt pagoda
full wine + lightning rama 
humble swallow
you just throw out the fog first because it chills and double massive bolts everything in it
occassionally triple bolts
since i got the epic boon that gives a chance at double bolts plus the legendary that guarantees it
magic dagger
how cursed is using passion dash + deadly strike on the sword?
dry ember
Not that cursed but man, why
magic dagger
RI4🤣
spring turret
tempest strike you mean
unkempt pagoda
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zvDdpXcuJRzBwV0XRv2fcHthotgLFpaV4Ysi7Wy9daU/edit?usp=sharing
made a slight color update to the spreedsheet
honestly i might change it back lol it kinda looks ugly
it's been restored
turbid needle
Ooh, Exploding Launcher spawn on Aspect of Hades.
That or Quick Spin.
I kinda wanna try Exploding Launcher.
turbid needle
Hm.
FO2.
Okay, time to relearn my timing a bit.
This is gonna be really really dumb with Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, and Heart Rend, won't it?
small stirrup
I mean I think it'll be fine?
unkempt pagoda
that sounds extremely dumb, go do it 
turbid needle
It's already pretty good with just DF, I feel like Varatha's throw timing was sped up, I even noticed with Achilles.
unkempt pagoda
i think the special speed was increased a few patches ago
turbid needle
Shifter Giant Vermin on FO2 is one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen, what the hell?
Have I been playing on secret hard mode this whole time? Does max Hard Labor make the game that much tougher?
pseudo lark
twice the damage = twice the difficulty.
rare kayak
i had a room full of shifter cloner skulls in tartarus the other day
lapis pilot
So umm, anyone recommend particular spear builds or boons to kick off with? It’s my last initial clear to do and I am largely terrible with the spear. Still not used to the playstyle of it. Athena’s dash and call helps a lot with the final boss but i will probably end up cheesing poseidon instead to get the clear (razer shoals and the boss dmg boon along with multiple dashes is silly)
stoic thicket
If you're stuck with a weapon and don't have enough blood to get an Aspect rolling just try a cast build.
Unlock Achilles aspect if you can, if not it's not a big deal either way.
main osprey
Thanks Peach ^.^
rare kayak
i prefer hades aspect honestly
the big spin is really fun to play with and its relatively simpler than achilles aspect to handle
stoic thicket
I prefer Hades myself, the boost from Achilles for cast builds is just so nice.
rare kayak
oh you mean for cast builds
fickle kayak
challenges?
rare kayak
then yeah you gotta go achilles, its the only one that boosts casts after all
lost cairn
Watching videos and reading, I saw that there was some issue with Beowulf blocking?
I just tried it and seems ok for me, it does block while standing and charging as well
Was this a bug fixed? Or a design changed?
fossil furnace
Btw, I've just reached Heat 5. What are the expectations for the infernal chambers?
cunning urchin
Clear the chamber without taking damage to get double reward. Ultra elites can show up. I.e., the enemies that Hades summons in the final boss fight.
They get harder with each biome, generally.
lost cairn
Heat 5 only lets you go on Tartarus I think
cunning urchin
Yeah.
Can be very worthwhile if you're confident or have a good build. I'd recommend just trying it out sometimes.
lament coral
Erebus is best attempted with ranged weapons
fickle kayak
how do i get the ''assault'' boon from chaos? been playing for 80h yet still never seen it
lament coral
haven't seen it either
lost cairn
I have it on the fated list but don't remember getting it
rare kayak
erebus can be done with fists if youre feeling gutsy
and can lure properly
but its easiest to do on tartarus because the fat enemies and the skulls lunge really far so its somewhat easy to space them out
spring turret
Is forging bonds a mirror upgrade i never remember the names
cunning urchin
It makes people happier and adds some flavor text to keepsakes.
untold vortex
||and companions for the applicable people||
cunning urchin
"Bond forged" comes after that.
spring turret
My head is not working after playing 44 heat haha, i thought it was some sort of upgrade
fickle kayak
thanks guys
lost cairn
Really seems to me that with Lucifer, Chaos only gives cast and money/darkness/gem boons
Correction: I just had bad luck :S
lament coral
just Chaos things
rare kayak
i wonder if you stack sure footing as high as possible how long you can stand in lava
lament coral
it caps at 90%, so you'll still be taking 1 damage a second
heady zephyr
honestly fists are one of the easier weapons to do erebus with for me
the dash interrupt is a lot more reliable than stygius and you can stunlock melee enemies for days
cunning urchin
Malphon is very reliable for Erebus, yeah.
lost cairn
Wait, lava is trap?!
main osprey
Yup
lost cairn
seriously, the wording in this game sometimes...
random hull
Be careful with Heightened Security or Abyssal curses. It has also been corrected to magma at some point.
lost cairn
I mean it's so polished and so well thought out, but some descriptions are just bad
random hull
On the other hand, Magma damage against enemies is affected by trap modifiers, too.
lost cairn
Don't tell me that poison in Styx too..
lament coral
I believe the heat modifier explicitly states traps and lava
random hull
Hum. To test my earlier statement, I would now need to get the Abyssal curse and stand in the magma then.
But I don't want to.
lost cairn
Haha, that's why I'll never know, because I never picked Sure Footing
cunning urchin
To test what? If Master Chaos's trap damage curses/boons affect magma? They do.
random hull
Ok, good to know for certain!
lost cairn
Well, the wiki says that Sure Footing "Allows the player to walk in Asphodel's lava without taking damage for a short amount of time"
But this is not the ingame skill description
Also "Does not protect against puddles of lava created by fireballs." So I guess it won't work for poison
lament coral
the best weapon against poison is the Broken Spearpoint
lament coral
that's strange
cunning urchin
Excalibur's aura doesn't protect against the puddles, either.
main osprey
Huh
dry ember
Also "Does not protect against puddles of lava created by fireballs." So I guess it won't work for poison.
The rabbit hole goes deeper. It depends on the type of Poison. Posion by gas traps are boosted by HS. Poison by Rats and Satyrs are boosted by HL.
true bramble
Is Stygian Soul compatible with Artemis Exit Wounds?
dry ember
Yes
true bramble
Awesome, thanks man. I've got a build running with 2 more cast shots plus the Zeus cast so there are a lot of casts getting fired around
main osprey
Nice!
pseudo lark
What are the requirements for Chaos' Defiance boon? I've never got it.
main osprey
You need to already have at least one Chaos boon, and I think you need to have Death Defiance instead of Stubborn Defiance.
cunning urchin
You can get it with Stubborn Defiance.
spark mulch
hey are Doom and Hangover in attack and special the requirements for curse of nausea?>
Ive had two runs where I managed both before Asphodel, and didnt get Curse of Nausea on either run
cunning urchin
The wiki should have updated requirements now for everything, so you can check on there.
pseudo lark
It only says that you need 1 Chaos boon. Is that really all that's necessary and I'm just that unlucky?
cunning urchin
It's just very rare. You can use Fated Persuasion to reroll and increase your odds a bit.
random hull
Defiance is very rare. I had it twice in about 170 runs, so I think it’s safe to say the odds are in the lower single digits even if the requirements are fulfilled.
cunning urchin
It's also lowered by the simple fact that you often avoid the HP cost for Chaos Gates.
hasty garnet
Dionysus tempting me with a heroic Drunken Flourish to replace my "Special inflcits Doom on hit" boon. Curses
turbid needle
What weapon Aspect?
hasty garnet
Shield of Chaos, currently flinging 3 extra shields
turbid needle
Oh.
Those are actually about equally as good.
Hm.
Doom might just be outright better until you have the last level.
hasty garnet
Actually, going with the Drunken one, have a boon that buffs my damage when everyone has Hangover
Forgot about that
spark mulch
hey are the requirements for all the new boons on the wiki verified?
turbid needle
I think the wiki doesnt list all the possible requirements yet?
but the ones that are on there should be verified
spark mulch
thanks, I was just concerned at my bad luck
which in the past 10 seconds got better
so I no longer have a reason to doubt the requirements on there
pulsar hazel
I do not understand for the life of me how Hunter Instinct works.
"Your God Gauge charges up faster when you deal Critical damage."
">Faster Gauge Gain on Critical: 0.3%"
What does that mean? That it fills up 0.3% of your gauge whenever you score a crit?
wintry plume
it fills up 0,3% more when you do critical damage
pulsar hazel
So like, that one critical hit will fill the gauge... 0.3% more than it normally would?
wintry plume
it should be like that
pulsar hazel
That seems
wintry plume
but just for that hit
pulsar hazel
completely useless
dry ember
I would imagine the rate stacks multiplicatively
cunning urchin
If it fills 0.1% normally every hit, then with +0.3% from Hunter Instinct, it would fill 0.4% for crits.
No idea what the actual rate for normal hits is. That 0.1% was just a random number I picked.
pulsar hazel
Okay, gotcha. I thought the gauge was damaged based
That still sounds... Really useless.
Like unless you have a really fast hitting weapon, that's such a small percentage gain for a crit
I feel like I'm missing something, it seems almost entirely negligible.
cunning urchin
I know it's a lot more noticeable than it sounds like lol.
Slow weapons fill the gauge slowly, yeah. Probably not worth it on those.
But Nemesis or Malphon could benefit from it a lot.
pulsar hazel
If it was, say, 0.1% gain on a normal hit
I know it's not but let's pretend it is -
And it gained 0.3%, additive
I think it'd read a lot better as saying that single hit will fill the gauge up 400% as much as normal. Like put it in relation to how much it increases.
0.3% is just so nebulous, it's hard to understand
cunning urchin
You can get near 100% crit rate in with Hunter's Mark and stuff. So it can be very noticeable, yeah.
Yeah, I agree it's kind of weirdly written.
It just seems terrible when you only see the number and don't know what it does exactly.
pulsar hazel
I mean it still sounds pretty terrible tbh, but maybe that's just because I don't understand the normal values of the god gauge. I don't have any frame of reference.
cunning urchin
I only picked it at all because I trust Supergiant. So I figured it's gotta be useful somehow.
pulsar hazel
"I only picked it at all because I trust Supergiant."
That is an entirely fair statement
flat brook
I did a little experiment to see how good Dark Foresight (10% higher chance for gold laurel chambers to appear) was. I started a run with Dark Foresight and registered on a table which chambers were blue or gold laurels. Then, at Styx, I gave up the run (to keep the same seed), disabled Dark Foresight and did the same. The results were... disappointing. The only thing Dark Foresight seems to have done is make more Erebuses spawn. Otherwise, the rare boon % chance is strictly better. It's a very small sample size, so if anyone wants to do a similar experiment so we have more data, please do. Results (b = blue laurel; g = gold laurel): https://i.imgur.com/E28o6ex.png
dry ember
Interesting
I'll definitely test this myself. I probably won't use the same seed so not assuming everything equal here but I'll record runs with and without Foresight to see if there is a significant difference overall.
unkempt pagoda
one run is hardly enough evidence
dry ember
Otherwise this same size is 1
I won't jump to conclusions just yet
But this warrants more looking to though 👀
flat brook
one run is hardly enough evidence
definitely, but it's still very weird that there was no difference at all in the number of gold laurel rooms (or that actually no foresight would give me 1 extra gold chamber somehow)
or maybe i hit the 5,2% chance of foresight actually doing nothing in 28 consecutive chambers
pulsar hazel
Definitely need more testing, both to see how many gold/blue you're offered on average, and how many you're offered with the perk
could've been your first run without it had more gold than usual
flat brook
if anything i'm more than ever inclined to take the rarity mirror talent over foresight, since already in the first chamber boon choice it upgraded 2 common ones to rares
pulsar hazel
Well then keep track of what you get on those runs (as far as how many gold/blue doors spawn) so you have a bigger sample size of runs without foresight
hasty garnet
Oh hey, Excalibur's special aura disables traps and stops l;ava damage in it's area while it's up. Neat.
turbid needle
Guys, I think Bad News affects Scintillating Feast's lightning.
random hull
That is GOOD NEWS.
unkempt pagoda
that is very good news
grim thorn
I have updated the wiki with new boon requirements!
some of the duo boons are a bit messed up atm tho
@turbid needle @spark mulch
but that's not my fault, it's the data files that are messed up not me
(also all boons should now have the right icons)
(and the boon effects are wrong)
hasty garnet
Let's see, 430 HP, still 3 defiances left. I think I should be ready for Hades
spark mulch
no worries @grim thorn I appreciate the response!
turbid needle
Malphon (and probably Exagryph) just get 6 free Heat with Frost Strike?
Has this always been the case?
no worries
It's happening again.
gusty elm
Perhaps you should remove Trove Tracker (Spawn an infernal trove ahead where possible) from the pool of options when you're not at a heat level high enough to open the infernal troves
I got it from the item that gives you a random Charon item, and needless to say it was pretty disappointing. It also just wastes a slot whenever you're on heat 4 or below
@pulsar hazel i think you might be confusing infernal troves with infernal gates. trove trackers just spawn a regular trove ("infernal trove" is just the full name: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Infernal_Trove), which can of course be opened at any heat level. that or i'm confused lol
gusty elm
i like how you still got 2 other random people's upvotes lol
pulsar hazel
I assume they made the same assumption I did
Maybe they should have a little icon next to "Infernal Trove" of a chest
Because I had no idea that's what they were called
I just saw Infernal and thought of the gates
gusty elm
hehe yeah, i bet
unkempt pagoda
@weak rivet delta chamber can reload manually
weak rivet
Oh it can?
weak rivet
OH thats why i felt like it cant reload
blazing sparrow
charged shot + minotaur rush is such a fun combo
grim loom
does smoldering air (zeus/aphro duo) not allow max god gauge effects at all?
unkempt pagoda
nope, caps it out at 25%
grim loom
huh ok
what calls does it work well with? i dont usually use the partial charge effects much
grim thorn
zeus' aid and artemis' aid are decent at partial
(relative to at full)
artemis' aid is... not fantastic on its own
grim loom
ive got aphro aid right now and im debating whether to take smoldering air
i usually grab aphrodite aid for the massive damage chunk which is why im not sure
grim thorn
what are your alternatives?
grim loom
rare thunder dash and epic lightning reflexes
unkempt pagoda
aphro aid can be a stunlock for bosses, smouldering turns that up to the extreme
grim loom
i also havent gotten smoldering before, as far as prophecies are concerned
unkempt pagoda
every five seconds you can stop a boss in their tracks
grim thorn
oh, then take it lol
unkempt pagoda
also, charmed enemies do insane amounts of damage
if you manage to charm a regular enemy on a boss, they can take care of a lot of health for you
grim thorn
also hydra heads
grim loom
hehehehe immediately followed by second wind
stiff stone
