h1-builds-and-combat

[cunning urchin]

🔫

[spring turret]

Hello L A, I picked DB LT which H on L to HO+3 and PS so L 1.4* S,A,C,C and C dmg. I am HL5 with LC4, CF2, JS3, EM3, CP2, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, HS, RI4, Dc2, AP2, TD2

hades nomenclature at its finest

[deep vault]

Zagreus talks like this as a joke to meg and she gives it a sensitive chuckle but Hypnos picks it up and starts talking like that seriously
hilarity ensues

[serene isle]

So, after doing so many runs with spear, I FINALLY was forced to play it correctly. Spear makes you really safe against bosses huh. I could ACTUALLY react to Dad's combos instead of just face-tanking/predict dodging them.

(previously I basically played spear as a worse version of the sword. Just dash attacking into everything in melee)

[neon bramble]

How long does it usually take YouTube to process a video after uploading?

I've never uploaded a 30min video before

[serene isle]

Around an hour at most

[neon bramble]

Where can I post the link to this sad 40 heat fail?

[serene isle]

Likely in #self-promotion

[neon bramble]

Thx

If you all want to check it out, it'll be there soon. It's 99% processed

I have to re upload. My account was unverified so the video was too long

I find the spear to be my worst weapon

It used to be the sword, but nemesis aspect changed that for me after some practice

Well... It's a toss up between bow and spear for my worst weapon

[carmine rivet]

I wish you could move while firing the rail.

[spring turret]

you kinda can with lucifer, dash while retaining fire

[carmine rivet]

yeah, i mean just like, normal run

[barren otter]

Is posting a video of final boss fine in here? Just had a pretty fast kill I want to share.

[serene isle]

According to some people on chat. If the video being posted is related to an ongoing discussion, it's fine.

If you just wanna show off some stuff you did, it usually goes into #self-promotion

[barren otter]

it's just a video of beating the boss, not a promotion of myself.

but I guess I'll post it there

Posted. Full Zeus is strong.

[civic barn]

#h1-victory-boasting would work too

[grizzled lintel]

Does the zag spear only affect special damage range and speed or special damage, then the range and speed of the weapon

Special Damage, Range, & Speed

That’s the way the wiki is worded

[lament coral]

it says in the aspect's description, does it not?

[grizzled lintel]

Idk I’m on my phone reading the wiki

[dire bough]

so the lucifer rail with the unlimited ammo but no ramp up is kind of nuts

[lament coral]

it's the old Infinity, but better

[dire bough]

not sure what the old infinity is, but with zeus attack its great

and now with support arrow..

[untold quiver]

Support fire fists are also bananas

[round summit]

support fire for: Chaos Shield, Bow (the new aspect's special, basically), Fists and Rail (specially for Lucifer)

[random hull]

The Infinity Chamber gave infinite ammo to the rail with no downsides. It was later replaced by the Delta Chamber (3-shot burst fire).

[untold quiver]

It might also do well with higher enemy density with Zues shield special

[carmine rivet]

Guh, Demeter really pulled me through that Rama run

[rare kayak]

hmm anyone knows if theres a condition to getting assault from chaos boons

im assuming its fiery presence because theyre the same effect but i could just be having a run of bad luck

[carmine rivet]

Much like anything with Chaos, I'd imagine it's RNG.

[clear dome]

i think firey presence ye

[rare kayak]

really illustrates something that i get defiance literally right after the update

when they add assault

not sure what it illustrates but it illustrates something

also i went on my excalibur run but i forgot to turn off dc

do not recommend

i also found a strange interaction with rat poison pools and revenge boons

you can deflect the poison the rats shoot out and the pools wont hurt you if you step on them

however, it does trigger revenge boons, or at the very least aphrodite's

[clear dome]

dc?

[rare kayak]

damage control

i usually have it at 2 for fun

[clear dome]

ducc control

[rare kayak]

even though i dont need it in terms of bounty use

[clear dome]

its painful so i only take 1 of it

always use BP tho

[rare kayak]

bp is painful in tartarus though

[clear dome]

its not, its so fun

[rare kayak]

not when it hits brutes for the armor boosting perk

ugh

or the fat guys, dont remember their names

[clear dome]

im used to it

[rare kayak]

oh

right i forgot

i dont like the interaction between the new demeter revenge boon

and the snow burst boon

[clear dome]

autoburst?

[rare kayak]

because it just immediately procs so all the revenge does is do more damage

uhhh the boon where chill destroys itself at 10 stacks for some damage

i think it was snow burst

[carmine rivet]

Arctic Blast

[clear dome]

its good tho, when you have that the revenge damage will be on par with the more powerful revenge boons

[rare kayak]

arctic blast

eh i prefer the max chill stacks, its more servicable

well in general i dont tend to play around with revenge boons too much too i guess

[carmine rivet]

I mean, getting Dem's Cast and Glacial Glare gets good synergy with Arctic Blast and Frozen Touch

[clear dome]

glacial glare?

[carmine rivet]

Your enemies just constantly burst in cold damage

Glacial Glare is a new boon that makes the Dem Cast turrets stick around longer and inflict a stack of chill every tic.

Combo with Killing Freeze and huge amounts of DoT and Nova damage going off all the time, especially against Hades

[acoustic venture]

still relatively new, but am I the only one that thinks Stubborn Roots is VERY good in comparison to some of the other duo boons like Deadly Reversal?

[clear dome]

dedly reversal is good

stubborn roots is kinda good, but you would only need it for final boss

[carmine rivet]

For Stubborn Defiance and new players struggling on Hades yes. I don't see much point for it at my level, but it's a solid Duo.

[acoustic venture]

Yeah, I think I'm just at that skill level where health regen is good bc I'm still getting hit super often

[clear dome]

me: 143 hours=>still need skelly for hades

[acoustic venture]

I still need to unlock any of the companions

[clear dome]

and die to him super often

[acoustic venture]

what should I gun for first?

[clear dome]

i would recommend sisyphus, but its hard

skelly you will need to waste your titan blood, but its viable

[acoustic venture]

i've capped his nectar, just dont know how to actually progress it

[carmine rivet]

I thought Dusa's was easiest to get overall, though Skelly is fastest if you can get the dialogue to occur.

[clear dome]

dusa is not very good tho

[carmine rivet]

Full level Zag Sword is not a waste. Aspect of Zoom is quite viable.

[acoustic venture]

thats my main issue tbh, just dont know how to actually unlock a lot of the things as info im finding is contradictory

[carmine rivet]

He said any companion.

[clear dome]

jesus, i main that aspect, im just sayin

[carmine rivet]

should take getting Companions into #h1-story-discussion though

[acoustic venture]

ah, sorry

[clear dome]

you are a killjoy, but your right

[carmine rivet]

nah just the acquisition is more story-related

[versed tide]

you unlock things by waiting that the game allows you to

[native holly]

Does anyone know if theres a limit on the number of boons from one God you can get in a run? Was thinking of playing around with highly focused God runs

[carmine rivet]

From the same God? As many Boons as they have I'd guess.

Only really limited by what boons the game RNGs at you really.

[clear dome]

highly focused god runs are viable, with some its broken tbh

[acoustic venture]

Demeter seems strong

The limit that I’m wondering is how many different gods are you able to get boons from

My brain says 5 but I’m not sure

[clear dome]

max 5+ hermes +khaos

[carmine rivet]

One or two less than the total number of Olympians, or thereabouts.

I think it's max 6 Olympians + max 3 Hermes + Chaos.

[clear dome]

max 6 olympians how?

[carmine rivet]

Four different non-Hermes Olympians is possible in Tartarus.

Then 1 forced in Asphodel and 1 forced in Elysium.

[clear dome]

oh

forcing with the keepsake?

[carmine rivet]

Yeah

[acoustic venture]

The empty spots in keepsakes has me hoping for like a Daedalus or a Hermes guarantee

[carmine rivet]

Mind, I think I've managed that 4 Boon Tartarus run like once in 200ish escapes so, should be taken as a theoretical max.

[acoustic venture]

As busted as that is

I wanna mess around with Daedalus a lot more

[carmine rivet]

Well Hermes boons have a hardcap themselves though. Only 3 maximum, and the third must be found in Styx (shop or Elite wing if Anvil of Fates is being sold)

Same, would love to see SGG's version of Daedalus, but at the very least pre-v1.0 it seems we won't be getting it. Only 1 more NPC is slated and it's kinda obvious who it'll be.

[acoustic venture]

I hope on release there’s a bunch of support so we can get a bunch more gods and npcs like Hephaestus, Hera, or people like Midas and Percesus

[forest marsh]

I've had 8 Olympians when the FF bonus was still 6%, because I remember getting that sweet 48% bonus

[carmine rivet]

oh true, I completely forgot about forcing a god in Styx to round get a total of 7 Olympians + Hermes.

(cause I always grab Acorn)

[acoustic venture]

I should’ve asked what the usual usage for keepsakes is

[carmine rivet]

Shackle/God > God > God > Acorn

[acoustic venture]

Hermes and Than not worth?

[carmine rivet]

I do like Hermes, but I'm not good enough to proc Than enough for it to be worth it.

Plus, you lose any benefit they give if you swap out. And Acorn for Final boss.

[stoic thicket]

Hermes / Than are obviously better the earlier you pick 'em.

[cunning urchin]

Higher heats it's very often god > god > acorn > acorn. But I would say try them all out and level them all up, then you can better decide for yourself what you want to do.

And adapting to your needs on the fly is important.

Well, important for better odds, I would say.

But all of them can be fun.

[rare kayak]

just be a gigachad and run purse > purse > purse > purse

👍

what do you guys think about strong drink btw

the dio boon

had a run earlier that started with epic rank

5% per fountain

[stoic thicket]

I mean if you get it early it can stack up a fair bit, often there's better options though.

[acoustic venture]

If you get in in Tartarus and you get fountain rooms can boost you up to like 30

[rare kayak]

i ended up with a full 25% damage bonus so that was pretty cool i guess

i wouldnt take it in elysium but id take it asphodel if it was rare or higher

[acoustic venture]

Maybe early asphodel

[rare kayak]

eh it doesnt really make a difference with how short asphodel is

fountain rooms are pretty rare too

[acoustic venture]

Possibility of fountain room

Otherwise it’s just 15% guaranteed

[rare kayak]

hey thats not bad

its basically an ares boon

[rocky oasis]

best aspects to upgrade?

[turbid halo]

I haven't played for a while and now I see there's a bunch of new mirror upgrades. What do people generally run for the last 3? (The ones that affect boon/reward chance and rerolls0

[tepid ridge]

Chaos shield, Zagreus rail and bow, legendary and Hestia rails, Demeter fists

[lost void]

what is the best aspect for varatha

[spiral portal]

imo varatha aspects are not that interesting except the legendary

[tepid ridge]

I usually equip epic chance, legendary/duo boon chance and fated persuasion. For spear, I like Achilles, followed by Zagreus aspect.

Legendary is very dependent on player style

But pretty good nevertheless

[spiral portal]

zag aspect is good also

[carmine rivet]

@turbid halo From what I've seen, people favor Olympian favor and God's legacy. Fated Authority vs Persuasion is more situational.

[turbid halo]

rad thanks

[mighty ermine]

@tepid ridge gods' legacy (duo/legendary rate boost) is now the green mirror counterpart to the epic boost, so you can't have that configuration anymore

[merry oxide]

what's a good build for nemesis sword

[acoustic venture]

Crit

[merry oxide]

full crit?

crit weak maybe?

[acoustic venture]

Crit focused atleast since that’s what the aspects about

[inner heath]

Counter-point: Go Aphrodite attack and Artemis dash or special. That way you're applying weak on attack and can get Heart Rend for even more crit damage. Also, there's a pinned doc made by Nyaanyaa in the #h1-high-heat-strategies that goes over average damage with Nemesis sword for more information if you want numbers

Note: That doc doesn't take into account heart rend, clean kill, etc. Just base boons

[merry oxide]

got it, thank you

so crit special?

[inner heath]

Honestly, special or dash, depending on your playstyle

If you like dash attacks, then go dash. Otherwise, go special

But you need one of them + aphrodite attack to be offered the duo boon

And if you're not offered a choice, go either

[serene nexus]

I would say that Aphro Attack and Ares Special might be better by the time Doom goes off you’re going to have to use Q again for the buff

[inner heath]

Having to pick the only one you're offered is fine too

[serene nexus]

And if you get the Ares Aphro Duo...

[inner heath]

Is that still the duo where it does continual doom effects?

Or did they change it? Honestly haven't paid attention to that duo the past two patches, because it was horrible since it was mutliplicative, so over time it was doing like no damage.

[serene nexus]

I haven’t gotten it since the new update so i can’t say

[inner heath]

IE first doom was 100, second doom was 25, third doom was 6

Better to just apply more dooms than take that. But I imagine they changed it since it was disliked by the community for a while? Don't know though

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike is actually really good on Nemesis.

The damage is already high with 30% crits.

Melee without deflect is tough.

[serene nexus]

The deflect utility is pretty useful

[mild briar]

Heyy i finally got the hidden spear aspect 🙂 Any advice on what i definetely have to try for it?

[serene nexus]

I usually force an Athena boon when I play melee

Also, Hestia Rail with Than’s keepsake is bonkers

[inner heath]

I do love that Hestia + keepsake combo, but not having keepsake utility at higher heats is scary

[cunning urchin]

You can get Divine Strike + Divine Dash and get some Chaos boons for Attack damage or Dash-Strike damage along the way.

[serene nexus]

Right. I appreciated the damage but I really missed my Spearhead during the final area

Plume and Nemesis was slightly bette utility wise. Especially if you’re running tight deadline

[inner heath]

Yeah, I definitely used that at low/no heat runs

I used to love Plume + Zag fists

But plume is currently bugged and it makes me sad

[serene nexus]

Out of curiosity, when would you want to do a non-heated run?

[cunning urchin]

I almost always run Acorn in the Temple of Styx on anything at any heat.

[serene nexus]

I’m more worried about the mobs at Styx rather than the final boss personally.

[cunning urchin]

For speedruns or just for fun. Maybe for farming.

[serene nexus]

I wonder what they’re going to do for EM4...

[inner heath]

Depends, honestly. Heat is a challenge, so you only need to do it if you want the challenge. Non-heat runs can be standard for a lot of people's playstyle. If you do want to climb heat, I went up 1-20 by 1s, as those get all the bounties, then jump to 32 for the statue

Otherwise, you could do low/no heat to farm darkness, test builds, do speedruns, work on the codex, etc.

[cunning urchin]

Going up 1 heat at a time until at least about 20 gets you used to your weapon.

[serene nexus]

I feel compelled to do it due to the fact that I’ve maxed out all of the mirror perks that I want to use except for the Fated perk

[inner heath]

^ Exactly. And also lets you try out different builds on it

And gets you used to the Pact itself and different pact options

[serene nexus]

I spent the majority of my low heat times working on the prophecies

[cunning urchin]

Well, I think the pacts are a major part of the game.

[serene nexus]

Stuff like use every pact condition and other perks

[inner heath]

Yeah that's totally cool. Everyone can play the game their way, which is nice. If you feel compelled to try it, I suggest it! It's a fun addition

[cunning urchin]

You get bounties until 20 heat on normal mode or 25 on hell mode.

[serene nexus]

My last account stopped at around... 9-10 or so before I was burnt out enough to need to take a break personally.

At this point I’m doing runs only to get a chance to progress character storylines and aspects.

[cunning urchin]

I used to just try out all the pacts individually before I raised heat higher.

[turbid halo]

I found a couple builds I liked and kept trying to force them

[inner heath]

That's understandable. Try different options, see what you enjoy the most. While the pact is fun, it's by no means necessary, so do as much/little of it that you want

[serene nexus]

I did that at the start as well, always forcing Aphro Ares. But that got stale fast

[cunning urchin]

Then when I got some tips here for builds, I practiced beating TD1 and then TD2 with Poseidon Aspect and a cast build.

[serene nexus]

I think it also helps that this is my second profile so I know immediately what aspects I want to max out.

[radiant swallow]

The Poseidon x Ares duo, does it require Poseidon Cast, or Ares cast?

[acoustic venture]

Stygian Soul with Poseidon sword is the worst idea

[serene nexus]

Poseidon cast

[acoustic venture]

Bc you get no value

[radiant swallow]

Thanks

[serene nexus]

Right

Was never a fan of Poseidon Aspect’s playstyle anyway

[cunning urchin]

Then started trying to beat TD1 and TD2 with other aspects, and in the process I somehow ended up climbing all the way with Malphon lol.

[turbid halo]

TD1?

[serene nexus]

Tight Deadline

[cunning urchin]

Poseidon Aspect with Stygian Soul is solid.

[inner heath]

Tight Deadline is the pact that makes it so you have either 9 or 7 minutes to complete a biome, depending on if it's TD1 or TD2

(I think I have those numbers right. Someone else can correct if I'm off)

[cunning urchin]

A lot of casts don't lodge in the first place, but you still get the +50% damage from the aspect.

[turbid halo]

The Poseidon build I used a lot was just forcing straight Athena because I liked seeing pretty doubled arrows

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, 9 min and 7 min is correct.

[turbid halo]

Plus new mirror effects mean I can roll for +3 casts more often

[acoustic venture]

I was looking at it in terms of lodge benefit

[turbid halo]

Er, not athena, artemis

[empty robin]

Stygian Soul has more lodging casts potential then Infernal Soul imo

I once filled Aterius's health bar with blood stone using Stygian Soul

Of course with the help of Chaos, Charon's well and best goddess Artemis

[stoic thicket]

Yeah, so second try at the Peach Challenge of the week also lost, this time through little fault of my own.

Only got a single chaos gate the entire run, but I need two for the challenge.

[empty robin]

What's a Peach Challenge?

[stoic thicket]

See the pin. It's a weekly challenge that one of the mods in here posts, often just doing some sort of crazy run.

[empty robin]

Ok thanks. I don't use Discord that much

[stoic thicket]

This week is actually fairly fun, because it's possibly the most random the game can get. You kinda gotta take what little you are offered and do the best with it.

Yesterday I attempted a run, but got killed in an extremely close match with the final boss, one solid sneeze in his rough direction and I'd have won. Today I got screwed by Chaos just not appearing.

[versed shard]

Out of curiosity

I started a run with the Shield, and got Tempest Strike, which knocks back on attack.

But now I got a daedalus hammer that doubles hits but removes knockback

Would they cancel eachother out? Just making it like, normal knockback but 2 hits?

[carmine rivet]

No, that Hammer cancels the inherent knockback ability of the Shield's Attack. You'd still get the knockback of Tempest Strike.

[versed shard]

Ahh, okay

Good to know, thank you ^^

[gloomy bone]

Hydraulic Might doesn't seem useful compared to pretty much most other Poseidon boons. Doing more damage in the first 5 seconds doesn't work too well in areas where enemies are spread out, and it seems like it won't work at all for bosses

[versed shard]

I think it can be useful dependent on your weapon type

Like, using Hestia's Rail or any of the Shields

Bull Rush gives enough mobility to hunt down enemies pretty fast

Its mostly just up to luck if ya find them in time.

.... but yes, I think its pretty situational as well

[empty robin]

I think it's a decent speed run Boon

[neon bramble]

Posted a heat 40 fail in #self-promotion if any of you want to see

Shows how strong stubborn defiance can be

[versed shard]

God damn, 40 heat? I've only gotten up to 1 so far

[neon bramble]

Check it out, will show you some decent tactics I think with fists

[versed shard]

Oooh, I love the fists!

Sure, I'll do just that ^^

[neon bramble]

Understand that I did not clear, it was a sad end

[versed shard]

Around 30 minutes

That's... Elysium I guess?

Either Elysium or Styx

[neon bramble]

I had to pause a couple times for washroom/phone call

[versed shard]

ooh, fair

[neon bramble]

Elysium, yes

[versed shard]

Ah, yeah, the bosses there always give me trouble

I've gotten great at just ripping through the fates with no issue, and most of the time I've piled up enough armor piercing to deal with the Bone Hydra

But past that point is when things get shakey for me

[neon bramble]

You'll be shocked at how quickly I cut down the Elysium boss actually... Just didn't have enough time regardless

And I got hit one too many times trying to force it, you'll see when you get there

[versed shard]

Ah, okay

I'll watch it a bit more in a bit acutally, I started a run just before ya told me about it

So I wanna sort thato ut ^^

[unkempt pagoda]

spear changes 😳

[lament coral]

curious how Hades measures up to GY with its newly expanded charged attack range

[small stirrup]

hoo boi

[neon bramble]

Ooh... Drift dash is interesting now

I like it even more.

Makes you sturdy

[acoustic nova]

wow, hades spin radius <#

❤️

love it

didn't even read the patch notes, and on my current hades run something was very weird

[acoustic nova]

so buffed Hades was interesting

managed to get the ideal hammers - quick spin and big spin. And the spin is really really big. Spin2Win!

one thing I've noticed was that you can cancel the animation a bit easier with the hammer combination. So it might not be full damage given? I'm unsure on this though

but I really like it. Larger spin makes it much easier to use overall, to put that debuff on enemies. The build I ran could clear rooms just by spinning, but it would've worked even better if I bothered actually attacking people with normal attacks.

[deep vault]

oh man I failed the first attempt of the weekly challenge at the Heroes

[neon bramble]

It's a tough challenge

Although... I'm running it at heat 20 with FO2 and EM2.

I could always tone it down 🤣

[dry ember]

Dew it again :)

I ran FO2 for funsies

But it's p fun.

[neon bramble]

So... Curse of drowning on fists...

It's kinda like having an additional aid.. just sayin. Pretty good fit

[turbid halo]

What are some cast boons that really benefit from the never dislodge mirror bonus?

Or is it more to permanently apply one of the stuck abilities?

[neon bramble]

Any cast that will stay stuck increases your attack damage

So...

No cast whatsoever
True shot
Flood shot
Phalanx shot
Crush shot (?) I think lodges on enemy

[turbid halo]

Are there any that will do something beyond the mirror bonus while it's stuck in the enemy?

[neon bramble]

Only if you have exit wounds from Artemis. They will do damage when they dislodge

[inner patrol]

Stygian Soul doesn't keep them from dislodging, you just don't have to dislodge to cast again. Great for Hera and Poseidon aspects

[mighty ermine]

@inland locust "for each different olympian" in the description for family favorite. chaos is not an olympian

[neon bramble]

Omg... I mistimed a dash in on Hades, and lost on heat 40 to an HS pot explosion 🤣

Noooooooooo

[mighty ermine]

aw rip, i lost two runs to hades earlier today at 40

i know the feeling

[main osprey]

I just saw Peach's challenge and I think I can actually do this one :D

(minus singing along to Persona 5, I can't do that)

[neon bramble]

@mighty ermine I had merciful end and stubborn Roots, I coulda just run in circles to Regen, but I forgot I had it

Makes me annoyed now, lol

Had 4min on the clock

[heady zephyr]

how do the spear aspects feel after the new patch?

achilles looks like it might be real good now...

[turbid needle]

I don't know how to feel about the charge time.

[turbid needle]

guan yu spear is amazing if you get the size and quickcharge daedaluses. you can just sit on the side and cast beyblades for the whole encounter.

[tardy chasm]

what attack boon has the highest DPS?

I'm not good with math

[civic barn]

depends on the weapon

[tardy chasm]

uhh let's say sword I guess

[civic barn]

artemis is pretty good on nemesis; aphrodite should be fairly high up there too

[tardy chasm]

those were the two I was thinking

[civic barn]

I imagine it's going to be hard to answer that question without a specific build in mind though

[tardy chasm]

that's true

Idk, I just wanted to see if there was a generic answer

guess I'll go and try a few runs

[civic barn]

can answer search for "dps sword" or something along those lines and see what else people have said

[tardy chasm]

ty

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike easily beats Deadly Strike on Nemesis.

[turbid needle]

30% is absolutely massive crit chance, and the big difference in regular damage boosting from Heartbreak compared to Deadly Strike easily makes up the additional crit chance.

[tardy chasm]

makes sense

[cunning urchin]

I have a spreadsheet here if you want to compare numbers. Deadly Strike requires a lot of additional Attack damage +% to eventually catch up and surpass Deadly Strike especially on Nemesis (second sheet). https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c0C5S__GYUO8Cz2ibKhOUu7okqDTqhGRuCzwRlz6X1U/edit?usp=sharing

[civic barn]

can we get that pinned

[cunning urchin]

It's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

Not saying it can't also be pinned here. Just if you're looking for it, currently you can find it there.

[civic barn]

what is low/high in this case

i mean, i feel like it'd serve its purpose being pinned here, too, right? I'm only asking anyhow

is that the range of randomness when you get the boon

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[civic barn]

hm, where is the other .3 on the crit mod coming from? base is 1 for heartbreak but 1.6 for nemesis right?

but nemesis gives 30% doesn't it

blanking on what i'm missing right now

[cunning urchin]

With a .3 crit chance, the average damage is 1.6x the base damage.

[civic barn]

that's average damage though, not crit mod right?

[cunning urchin]

.7 + .3 * 3 = 1.6

[civic barn]

sorry could you identify the formula there; i'm not sure i know what each variable would be there

[cunning urchin]

It's the crit mod in the sense that it modifies the damage by that much due to crit chance.

Ah.

You have a .7 chance for normal damage, .3 chance for crit damage that hit for triple damage.

[civic barn]

oh okay

does hades stack crit rate additively?

would it not be (.4) + (.3*3) *2 if we go by that for deadly strike nemesis

[turbid needle]

Deadly Strike is only 45% crit rate, not...whatever you're doing to the math right now.

[cunning urchin]

15%, you mean.

[turbid needle]

On Nemesis.

[civic barn]

oh it's 15%

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah.

[civic barn]

so it's .55 + (.45*3)

[cunning urchin]

Don't need the parentheses, but yes.

It's always 1 + crit chance * 2.

[civic barn]

it's only there so i can identify it easier :U i don't trust my brain to do order of operations

[cunning urchin]

Then in that case, you do need the parentheses, maybe.

[civic barn]

yes i do

just one more question, what's base mod in this case? it's not base damage right

or rather i'm not clicking on what you'd multiple average damage by

[cunning urchin]

No, that's the attack damage modifier of the boon. So +50% from a common Heartbreak Strike is 1.5.

[civic barn]

hm, are the rows boon upgrades then?

oh okay i think i get it now

[cunning urchin]

They're any extra damage you add on top. Could be from poms, too.

So the more Attack damage +% from Master Chaos you add, for example, the closer Deadly Strike damage gets to Heartbreak Strike damage.

And eventually it wins out.

[civic barn]

emphasis on the eventually 😓 i'm sure

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash helps a lot.

[civic barn]

two slots to try to match one boon doesn't seem efficient though

though i guess if you get er...what's the new crit damage boost boon

things might be different? just guessing here

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, t2 boons from Lady Artemis would change things.

[civic barn]

at that point you're pivoting on crit anyways

anyways, thanks for the explanation 👌

[cunning urchin]

Sure thing. I might add some more explanations to the spreadsheet.

[toxic wolf]

So I've kind of ignored Hangover as an effect for most of the game for 99% of builds. Does it scale well with the right stuff? It just seems weaker than every other major action-locking boon.

[turbid needle]

Dionysus is the second strongest god in this patch, I feel.

[dry ember]

Is arte the strongest? :3

[turbid needle]

You want a weapon with a way to apply multiple stacks rapidly, though with Smoldering Air and Dionysus's Aid you've got an S-tier damage option that fits on quite literally every build in the game.

Yup, Fox.

It's really hard to overstate just how good Dionysus got in this patch, not least of which being two of his new Duos which are some of the strongest in the game.

[unkempt pagoda]

can i get a full schpoonman write up on dio

[turbid needle]

Gimme a few weeks and I'll do a full pantheon write-up.

it will be exceedingly unpopular

[unkempt pagoda]

👀

i will enjoy it don't worry

[dry ember]

the pain https://imgur.com/yivLyMj

[turbid needle]

No more branches?

[dry ember]

i had to come back for 1 more

also ran out of time

but still

it's 1 gold charon

[turbid needle]

RIP

[dry ember]

you merciless capitalist pig

[twilit lance]

after 16 hours i finally beat hades

[dry ember]

nice!!!

first run is the hardest 😄

[twilit lance]

https://i.imgur.com/DxxWIuc.jpg

[toxic wolf]

It embarassingly took me like 40 runs to beat meg when the game first came out

37 to be exact iirc

[twilit lance]

i had like 50% dodge 45% dmg reduction 400 hp

lol this build was kinda crazy

[old pulsar]

https://imgur.com/a/bkmA3wI

Still not 100% sure how this worked but okay!

[unkempt pagoda]

congrats on first clear!

[old pulsar]

[dry ember]

First clear with spear no less

Grats!

[old pulsar]

Is the spear harder to use or something?

I wanna do the shield next.

Captain america w/ dionysus and poseidon

[unkempt pagoda]

i should really test out the spear changes

[turbid needle]

My favorite shield build is (this is going to hurt me to type) Ares Attack, Dionysus Special, Artemis Cast, and Aphrodite Dash.

On Chaos.

[unkempt pagoda]

that with the new duo sounds fun

[turbid needle]

Yuuuuuuuuuup.

Curse of Nausea is nutty, even though it's only (I think) a 30% damage boost.

[unkempt pagoda]

any +% means a lot to hangover tbf

[old pulsar]

Who's the duo with?

I dont know any duos

[turbid needle]

And between Low Tolerance and Splitting Headache and the widened prereqs for Heart Rend, this is just one of the meanest and safest builds in the entire game.

[old pulsar]

Except athena ares and Dion pos

[unkempt pagoda]

while i was doing the challenge, i managed to come across curse of drowning, but approval process 2 sucks lol

[turbid needle]

I hate Approval Process.

[unkempt pagoda]

subuwu, it's ares/dio duo

makes hangover deal damage faster

oh i didn't even think about splitting and heart rend

[old pulsar]

Ooooh

I like ares a lot

[turbid needle]

Get Empty Inside and suddenly them and Low Tolerance just gets frightening.

[old pulsar]

Well

I dont like his dash

[unkempt pagoda]

his dash is okay, once had an amazing run with eris + blade dash + vicious cycle

[inner patrol]

I swear the Approval Process has been rigged to make this challenge as much of a pain as possible

[vague hearth]

Is zeus special meant to hit only once with chiron aspect?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes, it has an internal cooldown

[turbid needle]

Once every .3 seconds, so close.

[vague hearth]

Ah, damn

That explains why the run went so poorly

[neon bramble]

I like full Demeter on Beo

Snow burst, Arctic blast, icy flare, frost strike

Then just roll chaos boons for extra stones

[vague hearth]

Ooh

Sounds fun

[neon bramble]

It is

If you also get killing freeze, you're basically auto win

[vague hearth]

Part of me wants to go bloodstone regen and make a patient one-shot build

[merry oxide]

any good luci builds that aren't zeus support fire?

[unkempt pagoda]

demeter arctic blast

unhealthy fixation

i've heard poseidon attack (super soaker build) is fun

[turbid needle]

Artemis with backstab damage.

[vague hearth]

Aww it doesn't work that way

Big sad

[merry oxide]

ok so I'm going for demeter attack

do I do flash fire or piercing fire

[unkempt pagoda]

hmm, hard choice

are you going for arctic blast?

[merry oxide]

yes

[unkempt pagoda]

flash fire would get stacks quicker, but piercing would potentially stack multiple foes at a time

i'd go piercing imo, flash fire doesn't do anything besides faster firing

[merry oxide]

probably gonna get eternal chamber aswell (is that the name?)

[unkempt pagoda]

piercing can do multi-stacking and helps against armor

[turbid needle]

Flash Fire is incompatible with Eternal Chamber.

[merry oxide]

I see

so piercing

[serene phoenix]

just beat the game, what heat options should I start with?

[merry oxide]

EM

extreme measures

start getting used to it

[vague hearth]

Ok so

With beo shield

Does larger lightning strikes apply to zeus cast?

[turbid needle]

You mean the boon High Voltage?

[vague hearth]

Yeah

[turbid needle]

I'm not sure.

[vague hearth]

Time to find out

If so

That's gonna be a massive area of effect

[turbid needle]

Just rolled Eternal Chamber on a Lucifer Deadly Strike build.

[vague hearth]

Oh boy

[turbid needle]

It's not worth a single Obol to "Let's roll the dice on whether or not this breaks my run."

This is on top of it eating Hermes's spot.

[vague hearth]

Anvil?

[cunning urchin]

The anvil is actually pretty nice for Malphon.

[turbid needle]

Heavy Knuckle on Demeter.

[vague hearth]

Oof

[cunning urchin]

Mainly because almost all the hammers are great.

[vague hearth]

Rip run

[turbid needle]

That happened to me twice.

[cunning urchin]

Heavy Knuckle is still solid for it.

[turbid needle]

It doesn't outright murder the run, but it's not good.

And it not being outright detrimental on one weapon? That's not good balance.

[cunning urchin]

[turbid needle]

It's a cool concept with way too extreme effects entirely reliant on RNG.

[vague hearth]

Perhaps if it gave you three choices and you had to take two

[serene nexus]

The only thing I see the anvil being useful for is a chance to get a boon to fulfill a weapon hammer prophecy IMO

[turbid needle]

Especially considering you're paying a decent sum for it, there's too great a chance of a drawback.

[cunning urchin]

Don't pick it if you think your upgrades are too good to give up. Pick it if you think there's some room for improvement.

[turbid needle]

So I just lose the Hermes boon?

That's not okay.

[vague hearth]

Yeah

The hermes boon is a big thing to lose

[cunning urchin]

Probably overrated anyway except for Greatest Reflex.

Actually, I guess Second Wind, too.

[serene nexus]

I don’t know, Side Hustle is pretty useful if you’re planning on fighting the secret boss

[turbid needle]

Side Hustle, Auto Reload, Greater Recall, Hyper Sprint, both Swift Strike and Flourish have pretty transformative effects for certain weapons and Aspects.

[serene nexus]

Right. I usually run Stygian soul so I can’t get some of those

[turbid needle]

Side Hustle can be pocket clutch even at the beginning of Styx, as we all know.

I included Auto Reload.

I do like Bad News, though I think it's not a super powerful boon, just really good.

[vague hearth]

So uhhh

It looks like high voltage works with zeus cast on beo shield

It can get to about the size of golden asterius' spin

[modest urchin]

why can't we just have both anvil and hermes lol

or have hermes 100% of the time and have anvil be 50:50 with a big pom or something

[rare kayak]

pick anvil for zane factor

i like the new fully loaded

if you dont need to pick exit wounds for it

enables people like me who run stygian soul to get it

[cunning urchin]

Stygian Soul bloodstones still deal damage when dislodged, and you can lodge more of them.

So Exit Wounds is actually better with Stygian Soul unless you use Poseidon Aspect.

[serene nexus]

Wait what. Don’t stones not do any dislodge damage without Exit Wounds?

[vague hearth]

They don't

[rare kayak]

huh

i couldve sworn stygian and wounds are exclusive

guess i misremembered

[dire wedge]

i am loving the hades spear buffs

[worthy adder]

Is it just me or breaking wave (extra water explosion when hitting against walls) ridiculously strong in the small rooms of the last region

like, strong enough that maybe its a bug?

Maybe the iteraction with the piercing bull rush charge shot

[cunning urchin]

It's strong. It's not a bug.

[worthy adder]

Man I think i had a default level one and it was clearing the rooms in one or two charged shots

maybe cause they were ricocheting between 2+ walls?

oh and the explosion triggered other enemies I guess

[cunning urchin]

That sounds right. The minichambers in the Satyr Tunnels are not supposed to be very difficult. There are a lot of builds that can clear them in seconds.

[worthy adder]

mm. Thats true. I just found it odd because I had a bunch of stuff on my specials (2 chaos gate damages, a hammer, an I was using chaos shield, etc) and then i got this normal boon and suddenly everything was dying to my attack

[rare kayak]

breaking wave is my favourite boon when it comes to styx

but i rarely run poseidon

[cunning urchin]

It's especially strong in small chambers, but doesn't tend to do much in larger ones or vs bosses.

And it's a tier 2 boon. T2 boons can be very strong even at common.

[rare kayak]

do people ever get the charged special variant of boons

never liked em

[hushed ledge]

The hammers?

Yeah the spear and shield ones are great

[modest urchin]

This spear buff feels so goddamn good I don’t feel like I ever get screwed without a good hammer buff anymore

[serene phoenix]

which should I use for the last 2 boons? purple or green?

epic or the legendary/duo? fated persuasion or fated authority?

[merry oxide]

any good rama builds?

[small stirrup]

Dio on special is pretty fun

Then get the extra arrow hammer and your pretty set

[turbid needle]

yeah dio special+artemis or aphro attack was nice for me

zeus special is also great

[rare kayak]

zeus is your best bet for a good foundation but dionysus gets more wacky later on

[mild briar]

I need to invest 5 titans blood into a rail aspect. What aspect would you guys recommend? The first one (xtra dmg after soaking the special) seems really weird gameplaywise. And i've noticed that hestia does not give the dps buff after reloading when the chamber is empty - and reloading feels really clunky on controller. Would you guys recommend i just dump it all on zag aspect?

[fierce thicket]

Anybody use dark foresight mirror upgrade? How good is it compared to olympian favor?

[hushed ledge]

@mild briar hestia only gives the buff after reloading manually, which you can still do when empty. In addition, generally people just reload immediately with it

[mild briar]

so people do shot reload shot reload shot?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[mild briar]

Ok, really have to play with keyboard and mouse over controller with hestia then

but that sounds like a very specific build. What would i even play on that? usually playing zeus on rail

[cunning urchin]

I'd put 5 into Hestia, personally. I found the Zagreus Aspect pretty boring to play. Maybe Eris instead. I don't actually use Exagryph because I haven't maxed out Hestia or Eris yet (going for Hestia first).

You could just swap reload to R1/RB or something on pad.

At least when playing Hestia.

[mild briar]

can i apply hotkeys for a specific aspect? i dont want to swap hotkeys every time i play a specific aspect 😦

[cunning urchin]

Unfortunately no.

[civic barn]

leave a feedback in #hades-feedback !

[mild briar]

i thought about it but in hindsight it sounds a bit clunky to have an interaction on a different hotkey when playing hestia 😅

what kind of attack boon do you guys play on hestia? At first i thought ares but he doesn't have a % dmg multiplier, right

so aphrodite or artemis?

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike would be the boon of choice, yeah.

[mild briar]

thanks 🙂 ill remember that when i get to hestia. For now i had a change of heart and invested the blood into bow first, as i already got a few good rail guns and i felt like i wanted to discover the legendary bow aspect first 😅

With hera aspect, do people usually play infernal soul or stygian soul? (more bloodstones or self restoring bloodstone i dont need to pick up, which i usually play)

[cunning urchin]

Hmm. Either.

For Stygian Soul, you'll want to get +1 ammo from Master Chaos or +2 from Fully Loaded.

[mild briar]

True. I think ill try to stack artemis attack on this run. Thank you a lot for your help 🙂

(and probably poison cast? i guess?)

[cunning urchin]

I don't think anyone has stress-tested either enough on high heat to truly conclude which is better—and then that wouldn't necessarily apply to lower heats anyway.

[mild briar]

fair point, i think its a big comfort thing about not having to pick the souls up

[cunning urchin]

I've used True Shot, but Trippy Shot should work well, yeah.

[mild briar]

got true shot epic as the first boon and no attack, game decided for me! 😄

[real nebula]

Infinite lucifer rail-beam + Support fire

😩

the damage isn't even stellar but damn all the arrows

[hexed fable]

Man support fire just feels so nice

[near fable]

Tries out stubborn for like the first time
Dies to first Boss twice in a row
Yikes

[hexed fable]

Oof

I feel like I've run sister's so many time I can just tell their upcoming moves which helps

but stubborn does force your playstyle to change a bit

I'll also say the charge added to the Achilles Aspect is interesting

not sure how to feel so far about it

[near fable]

Mhh, I gotta work on my Boss performance anyways, so I guess it's fine?

[hexed fable]

Stubborn is interesting in the fact that it allows you to play recklessly in some areas and conservative in others

Kiss of Styx Dark is also legit one of the best things you'll ever experience as well

[near fable]

I'll also say the charge added to the Achilles Aspect is interesting
Hmm, I didn't try it out yet. Was it changed, or?

[hexed fable]

Yeah they added the daedelus upgrade to it by default where your special charges and goes farther

[near fable]

Ahh, that's interesting

[hexed fable]

I never really like that upgrade tbh, kinda slowed down the feel of how I used the special which was an extra dash in and out

[near fable]

Yeah, cuz you gotta just stand still when you want the dash to be longer than 1m

[cunning urchin]

Varatha needed some buffs to be up there with the other weapons in DPS.

[hexed fable]

Do you think the dash from Achilles should just be added to all?

[cunning urchin]

I don't think so. It's good to have unique abilities like that.

[hexed fable]

Yeah I feel that, but just without punishing sweep and the base zag upgrade just feel so lackluster to me

[cunning urchin]

Zagreus Aspect feels really good now. The Throw is really fast.

[near fable]

I kinda like the Hades Aspect, the debuff feels pretty rewarding if you manage to apply it

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, and it's easier to apply the debuff now with the increased range on the spin.

[near fable]

Ah, that's sweet

[hexed fable]

I think having it cast based would be a cool take, I'll have to lean in on the others to see how the changes feel

So used to Achilles it's just hard to break away

oh wait holy cow

that punishing sweep is huge

A true Hell Sweep now

[near fable]

Almost like the ones Dad used to make

That I really need to learn to not dash away from

:^)

[hexed fable]

That step forward when I watch my friends play is what gets them every time

[cunning urchin]

Well, you're supposed to either dash out of range or i-frame the spin attacks.

[hexed fable]

Dad putting his foot down to put you into the ground

or you can do what I do and pray for the sweet release of dodge chance

[near fable]

xD
That's more like it

[cunning urchin]

If you're caught without dashes when he spins, you can use your call for i-frames.

[hexed fable]

Yeah that's also what I do sometimes if in a bad spot

wait for his circular line in the air to appear then call

That's the biggest sign your about to get hit

[near fable]

Mhh

[hexed fable]

once you see that very smol white circle is when you want to do what you need to do

Second Phase sweeps I avoid like the plague or an awkward talk with a coworker who thinks were friends but all we do is sit by each other in the break room

[near fable]

I hate it when that one combo just annihilates your entire healthbar

[cunning urchin]

You can deflect the two swings, then i-frame the spin.

[hexed fable]

Nyan out here just preaching "just i-frame it"

But that takes patience if you want to get it done now and feel cool while doing it

just build dodge chance

rng loves you

[near fable]

praying > Skill

[rare topaz]

Luck does not favour me.

It is for that that I must force the hand of fate.

[hexed fable]

20% of the time it works 100$ of the time

[cunning urchin]

praying > Skill
I've been practicing the fight a lot, and sadly I can't confirm that.

[merry oxide]

any good beo builds?

[rare topaz]

100$

[hexed fable]

listen

[rare topaz]

@merry oxide Artemis cast.

[hexed fable]

when you bank on the dodge

you roll in obols

[rare topaz]

Remember, the special and attack are powerful too, so don't solely depend on your bullrush cast

True Dan

[merry oxide]

so wait, if this is a cast run should I spec into cast regen or cast ammount

I've never done a cast run

[hexed fable]

You are missing out my man

cast runs are wild

It's hard for me to say on which cast

[rare topaz]

Also Danzick your pfp almost looks like Sokka with makeup on

[hexed fable]

I went to Stygian and never went back

You are close TLC as in it's nowhere near sokka

[rare topaz]

@merry oxide Infernal Soul for the 3 casts since they don't lodge in enemies.

[hexed fable]

It's Jack from Mass Effect

[rare topaz]

Ah

[hexed fable]

When you know, you know

[rare topaz]

Danzick denies resemblance, purpose unknown

[cunning urchin]

When you defeat ||Charon|| is when you roll in Obols. I did that in my last run, lost 3 DDs in the process, figured it was totally not worth it, proceeded to completely buy out one Well of Charon in Elysium 3 times including 2 DDs, another 2 times, and the one before the Temple of Styx 1 time. Worth it.

[rare topaz]

Also electricity is out, I'm having to talk while I have like 80 mbs of data rip

[hexed fable]

My gambles are doing that with SD

Man when you fail you fail hard, but the pay off is so worth it

[rare topaz]

What is the literal point of SD

I have never understood it

[hexed fable]

Riskier play styles

[rare topaz]

No I don't understand it

I literally don't get what it does

[hexed fable]

Oh

You have a single death defiance for each room

[rare topaz]

... Oh.

Don't Like.

[hexed fable]

Yeah it sounds bad, kinda is bad, but man I just can't get enough of it now

[rare topaz]

Well that's up to you innit

[hexed fable]

yeah truly

[rare topaz]

^_^

[hexed fable]

It makes boss fights more tactical

[rare topaz]

My mirror is super limited atm

[hexed fable]

while rooms alot more run and gun

[rare topaz]

Because of || 8888 darkness unlock ||

So not having +10% duo and legendary chance, needing to get a key for Fated Persuasion etc........ It hurts.

I only have 2 death defiances now also

[hexed fable]

You should try stubborn

[rare topaz]

I'm trying to live tyvm

[hexed fable]

you are only one away

[rare topaz]

;~;

It's gonna take me like 7.5k darkness to get to where I was

My Prime

Heni you're scaring me

[hexed fable]

LOL

[cunning urchin]

Just do some quick runs, you'll get the Darkness back pretty quick. Don't even need to focus on farming.

[rare topaz]

@cunning urchin That's the goal, but my luck is making even that impossible xD

[near fable]

How do you do the Spoiler thingy again?

[rare topaz]

HENI

[hexed fable]

||

[rare topaz]

THAT'S IT????

[near fable]

no

[hexed fable]

you put that at the beginning and end

|| like

this ||

[rare topaz]

||

Yes

[near fable]

What I do like about Stubborn Defiance is that you don't have to worry about what you're doing
If you fail, you die, you don't search for wells with DD restore all of Styx just because ||Asterius is bonkers with FO and his shiny armor|| sometimes

[hexed fable]

|| ||

[rare topaz]

But if you need more than one defiance in a fight, you're screwed.

[hexed fable]

That's risk you run yes

[rare topaz]

Asterius and Theseus often use up one or two of my defiances, same with final boss

[hexed fable]

I save companions for bosses now

Biggest advice for SD runs is taking out the King first

[near fable]

(How) Does Skelly's keepsake work with SD?

[hexed fable]

but I haven't done it with the heat upgrade

You just get an extra one time use one

but SD goes before

[rare topaz]

I only have Meg's at the minute.

[hexed fable]

skelly

[near fable]

Okay, that's kinda cool

[hexed fable]

One thing I learned from someone here too

[near fable]

I can work with that

[hexed fable]

which you should give a shot

if you run athena and get a tier 1

you get a chance at the defiance boons

if you die before you pick the boon up

you get an extra Defiance on top of SD

[near fable]

Ohh, that's fancy

[rare topaz]

............

I will kill God for this nastiness.

[hexed fable]

But the downside of this is

[cunning urchin]

<--honest, hard-working DD user

[rare topaz]

^

I don't tolerate these CHEATS.

[hexed fable]

Nyan won't embrace the circus that is SD runs

[rare topaz]

You deserve to have your Steam keys revoked. @superbtitan pls ban

[hexed fable]

You can't

[cunning urchin]

It's a nyaa—not a nyan.

[near fable]

So

1. Choose an Athena-Room
2. Die once before finishing it
3. Profit
   ?

[hexed fable]

Listen

I am bad at this talking thing

[rare topaz]

NYANCAT

[hexed fable]

But from now on I will try to remember Nyaa

[rare topaz]

Ngl, I once listened to the 12 hour version. Full.

[hexed fable]

Yes Heni

[rare topaz]

... I cried once or twice during.

[cunning urchin]

My name is also not Nyaa, it's Nyaanyaa.

[hexed fable]

I am shortening it to make myself look like a cool cat

[rare topaz]

Oh get yourself, we're not gonna write Nyaanyaa each time we need to refer to you.

[cunning urchin]

Rude.

[rare topaz]

Heni you terrify me more than anyone on this planet.

[hexed fable]

several people are typing...

[near fable]

God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are typing

[rare topaz]

Heni's name just makes me think of RuPaul saying HEENII

God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit
Who is she? Never heard of her.

[hexed fable]

Makes me think of Hennessey

[cunning urchin]

You can solve long names by just pinging people when you talk to them. Gets the name right, and you barely need to type anything.

[hexed fable]

But nicknames are cool

[cunning urchin]

Or you can just not type so very slow.

[hexed fable]

people calling me dan is way cooler

[rare topaz]

To be fair

Slow typing can be the byproduct of disability so I don't pick on it

Danz

[cunning urchin]

I think nicknames are okay when the other person is okay with it.

[rare topaz]

Any name with a z at the end is 10x cooler

[hexed fable]

Do you not like nicknames Nyaanyaa?

you gotta add x's and i's

like

[rare topaz]

Danzxi

[hexed fable]

xXiDanzickXx

[near fable]

Oh no

[hushed ledge]

Pinging people to talk to them annoys lots of people

[hexed fable]

like old school xbox names

[rare topaz]

That's true j

[cunning urchin]

@hushed ledge good.

[hexed fable]

Plus nicknames create bonds

bonds create friendships

friendships create memes

[rare topaz]

iITLCXx

[cunning urchin]

Memes create nicknames?

[hexed fable]

Now you are getting Nyaanyaa

[rare topaz]

Memes create heresy

[hexed fable]

Man that's alot to type each time

Tell you what

[hushed ledge]

I just say nya

[cunning urchin]

[near fable]

bonds create friendships
What? I thought drowning people in Nectar created friendships

[hexed fable]

Nyaanyaa you make your own nickname and I'll use that

[hushed ledge]

I nickname everyone don't worry

[rare topaz]

I say Nyaa. I'd get it if it was a person's name but.. Literally.. Nyaanyaa Mewmew

My name is too short to be nicknamed

[cunning urchin]

We could call you T.

[rare topaz]

But it is at the very least one of a kind.

[hexed fable]

Dude

[rare topaz]

T Bone

[hexed fable]

T is sick

[near fable]

We totally should

[hexed fable]

But he's already like three letters shortening doesn't really work

[rare topaz]

T
Testosterone?

Exactly Dan

[cunning urchin]

Should get back on topic, anyway.

[acoustic nova]

I love the changes to Hades aspect

[rare topaz]

Who is Hades lol

[small stirrup]

Dude spear got some dope buffs

Me likey

[acoustic nova]

spin is just huge with hammer

• poseidon attack and rupture. lol

[small stirrup]

Beyblade aspect is lookin hella fine now

[rare topaz]

For me Poseidon only goes two routes

[hexed fable]

Right should get to actually testing this hades build be back in 15 or less depending on how hydra goes

[acoustic nova]

I keep playing hades aspect, cause I'm stubborn. It was my first clear

[rare topaz]

Demeter and Poseidon for Blizzard

Poseidon and Zeus for Sea Storm

@hexed fable See you!

[acoustic nova]

eeeh, I used to go sea storm a lot. But I've found the joy of pure poseidon

[hushed ledge]

I had a cute spear run earlier

[acoustic nova]

since when is poseidon call good? I mean, if you get the upgrade boon it's ridiculous

[hushed ledge]

It's loads of damage

[cunning urchin]

Poseidon's Aid and Dionysus' Aid are easily the best calls in the game.

[small stirrup]

I remember using Poseidon's aid alot early game, but now he seems harder to control

[hushed ledge]

And decent invuln

[acoustic nova]

yeah...

[rare topaz]

Loads of damage plus invincibility, you can't go wrong with that.

[acoustic nova]

but I've been avoiding it for months

for some reason

[rare topaz]

I like all the calls though

[small stirrup]

I've just not been using Poseidon that much

[hushed ledge]

I generally don't avoid many calls because otherwise I'll just end up without one lol

[acoustic nova]

Ares call is kinda meh

[hushed ledge]

I won't highly take most of them

[cunning urchin]

Ares' Aid is a lot better since the update.

[hushed ledge]

But they aren't "ew get this away from me"

[acoustic nova]

Ares call is high damage but you end up out of it right near the enemy

so you get hit

or at least I do that

[hushed ledge]

Not if you don't

You control where you are

[acoustic nova]

yes, but I can't time it right so I always stay there longer than I should

so it's ares call, then spear to the face

if I get the hermess call buff it's good

[cunning urchin]

You don't need to move that far away from them, just behind them.

[acoustic nova]

yeah well. bad at it

I like aphro call lol

[cunning urchin]

Being less bad has helped me be more good.

Hypnos quality advice.

[acoustic nova]

heh

Hypnos is the wisest of them all

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike on Malphon helps a lot with getting out of Ares' Aid actually. You just go right back to deflecting with your punches lol.

[acoustic nova]

true

anyway, happy with the spear buffs

Hades aspect was nigh unplayable on OT2

or at least very hard to get the spin buff

[near fable]

What keepsakes do you guys take in Elysium?

[neon bramble]

Acorn or coin purse

[cunning urchin]

Chthonic Coin Purse on low heat. Acorn on high heat.

Typically.

[near fable]

Oki, Coin Purse it is, I think
Thanks

[neon bramble]

Sometimes I'll take Charons keepsake as well

[near fable]

Yeah, I kinda like it too, +8 rooms is amazing

[neon bramble]

I just had a thought

Weakness + sturdy + myrmidon bracer + unshakeable mettle.... -95% damage

???

I'm gonna try that

[cunning urchin]

Damage reduction isn't additive.

[neon bramble]

Ah ok

[small stirrup]

How does damage reduction work then?

[cunning urchin]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation#Damage_Reduction

[hexed fable]

Most DR in games is multiplicative with some exceptions stating otherwise or being inherent

[neon bramble]

Diminishing returns

[random hull]

In your case, you would get around 67% damage reduction.

[hexed fable]

Yep yep

[neon bramble]

Which is still great

[hexed fable]

Oh for sure

I am not sure there is a cap though

[cunning urchin]

Decreasing returns. Diminishing returns would mean there's a point where you start taking more damage.

[neon bramble]

Potato potato

[hexed fable]

you just said potato twice

[neon bramble]

Exactly

Except you pronounce one of them differently

[hexed fable]

I was attempting to sandbag your joke but it failed

[neon bramble]

Lol

I know

Round 2?

Tomato Tomato

[hexed fable]

or Toemato

[cunning urchin]

I think we're off to a good start. https://imgur.com/a/9CVFVFA

TFW you reroll for Spent Spirit and get Parting Shot.

[turbid needle]

😏

[merry oxide]

can I get some good beo builds?

tried artemis cast and it... meh

[turbid needle]

@cunning urchin Tell me how the damage buff was justified. It was already the best Hammer on Aspect of Demeter.

[cunning urchin]

Demeter Aspect isn't the only aspect.

It doesn't need to be justified anyway. It just needs to be fun.

Dash-Upper goes B-B-B-BOOOM!!! is fun.

[merry oxide]

ooh ares cast looks fun

[turbid needle]

It was already fun. Now it's a singular pick-up (not a Duo or Legendary) that breaks the game.

[cunning urchin]

When the run comes together, it might feel like you've 'broken' the game -- but you're a god in this one and that's what we're going for!—Amir

[turbid needle]

"When the run comes together"

Not "Spawn into the right Hammer".

[cunning urchin]

I think you're overstating the impact, anyway.

It went from tons of damage to tons of damage.

[turbid needle]

Fine.

[cunning urchin]

I actually pick it up on Zagreus Aspect now sometimes, which I didn't really before.

[turbid needle]

Real quick: Were Summons removed from the universal damage-up list? I've got Family Favorite, 6 Olympians, and Bouldy only dealt 1000 damage.

[random hull]

Yes, that was changed with the newest patch.

[lament coral]

yep, no more Priv Stat + Battie combo

[random hull]

According to the announcement, it's a bug fix, and wasn't intended in its prior state.

[lament coral]

it's fair, speedrunners will be the ones most affected by this anyway

[rare kayak]

hmm

i think fiery presence is really bad

[merry oxide]

oh my god

ares beo

is so much fun

[rare kayak]

because on dc it does more damage only on the first heart

which is very obviously not ideal

i think, its a bit hard for me to track

really love the new hades aspect spear though

that huge spin is great

[hexed fable]

Feeling like dad in those first rooms

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, you just hit the whole room lol.

[rare kayak]

havent had it with large spin yet

eager to see results

if its even available anyway

[cunning urchin]

It is. I got offered Quick Spin and Massive Spin. Picked Quick Spin.

[rare kayak]

oh baby

gonna be able to spin attack and kill enemies in the next chamber

[cunning urchin]

Probably lol.

At least in Tartarus.

[rare kayak]

styx too

[cunning urchin]

They're too tanky to die from one spin there or you get a lot of tiny rats that are better finished with Dash-Strikes instead of trying to sweep with all of them coming for you.

[rare kayak]

but its so satisfying hitting the sweep on the small rats though i gotta say

absolutely not worth it but

thoughts on triple stab btw?

i dont really find it that good, its hard to aim

[cunning urchin]

I play with FO2 on always, so that's a bad idea trying to spin there lol.

I like Triple Jab.

I had that + Quick Spin in my run earlier.

[rare kayak]

i did too actually

[cunning urchin]

You get a much wider attack, which really helps with the very narrow attack that Varatha normally has.

[rare kayak]

hm

[merry oxide]

1000 damage aoe LUL

[rare kayak]

idk, i just feel like i underutilise the extra stabs on my end

[cunning urchin]

That just might come with more experience and awareness.

[merry oxide]

wait how does charged shot work with beowulf?

it works great

[rare kayak]

isnt that just hera at that point

[cunning urchin]

What's the 1k damage AOE?

[rare kayak]

sisyphus

?

[merry oxide]

triple cast ares

[rare kayak]

hes kinda aoe

ah

[merry oxide]

with beo

[cunning urchin]

Interesting.

[rare kayak]

yeah i dont play with beowulf

[merry oxide]

first time for me

[rare kayak]

kinda basic but i just love chaos shield too much

especially the random voice lines from chaos

[proud storm]

putting the old man in his place with his own aspect https://streamable.com/c6anos

[merry oxide]

boys we did it

vicious cycle

[rare kayak]

oh one thing i really like about blood price update is making well items last longer

[cunning urchin]

I'm liking all the new items. The random pick I buy practically always unless I'm low on cash.

[rare kayak]

yeah me too

random centaur soul hell yeah

[round linden]

best build is crit + weak + weak increases damage on mobs

[turbid needle]

I did that and was getting 6k cumulative crits against Dad with Aspect of Demeter.

[rare kayak]

actually best build is slicing shot hunting blades and no vicious cycle even though you took every ares boon possible

and you tried to go all in on the ares cast

[round linden]

Before they added more boss boons for Poseidon I liked to go full knockback and instakilling mobs but doing 0 damage to bosses

[carmine rivet]

damn they really buffed Hades Spear

Spin Attack radius is like, double the normal radius

1st charge Zagspear: small
2nd charge Zagspear / 1st charge Hadespear: modest
Max charge Zagspear / 2nd charge Hadespear: large
Max charge Hadespear: huge

[rare kayak]

hadespin is insane

i love it so much

[carmine rivet]

they actually made Hades's Aspect viable

[rare kayak]

honestly i really love the spear buffs

feels like a proper midrange weapon now