h1-builds-and-combat

[oblique elk]

I have 4 duos lmao

DIOOOOOOO!!!!!

[small stirrup]

Lol first time?

[oblique elk]

yeah

wait is ur pfp that dude from monster prom but blue

[small stirrup]

You thought it was just Dionysis
but it was I... DIO

[oblique elk]

omg his name is eluding me
I'm in love with him and I can't REMEMBER HIS NAME

[small stirrup]

Oh you could tell?

[oblique elk]

D

D something
not Darius

[small stirrup]

You mean Damien

[oblique elk]

Damien

YES!

[small stirrup]

Damn I'm surprised you could recognise the artstyle

I'm impressed

[oblique elk]

Like I said
I'm in love w Damien I'd recognize his likeness anywhere

[small stirrup]

Its my OC though.

Not blue Damien XD

[oblique elk]

oh snap that's lit

yeah it's been a bit since I've played Monster Prom so I don't exactly remember what he looks like

[small stirrup]

I can see the resemblance tho

[oblique elk]

that's cool tho
I've wanted to make my own OCs for a while but never have

[small stirrup]

You should try to, they are super fun!

[sullen valley]

Oh dear gods Twin Shots with Rama's Shared Suffering basically gives you triple damage+ potential

[sterile portal]

I think it gives you far more than triple damage potential

1 * 2 * (1.6 * # enemies)

[sullen valley]

D'oh

Well in any case Triple Damage is a huge +

[unkempt pagoda]

once had a good shotgun run with rama, triple + point blank

[sullen valley]

Pfheh

[hidden pike]

How to get easy money when using Aphrodite's boons:
Get Aphrodite's attack/special/dash/cast boon
Get a Poseidon's boon on the other slot you won't be using as much
Get their Duo that buffs poms
Sell it
Profit immensely
Get it again
Profit a second time

[carmine rivet]

Has anyone noticed a Dash Attack capability on the Igneus Eden? It doesn't get marked when sparring on Skelly.

[vague hearth]

Attacking doesn't get interrupted by dashing

Idk if it interrupts the ramp-up though

Might need to test that

[main osprey]

I don't think it does

[raw violet]

there is no dash attack on Lucifer

hence no Hunter Dash

and also, I suspect, is what allows you to uniquely hold attack and still be able to dash through incoming damage

[cunning urchin]

So does Hunter Dash just do nothing on it?

[raw violet]

it's not offered

apparently

that was told to me and so far, I have yet to see it offered

so it checks out

so far

[cunning urchin]

I guess getting Hunter Dash for easy access to Support Fire would perhaps be a bit too strong on it, anyway.

[raw violet]

throwing it on special is not that much of a burden either

or cast

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but that opens up more boons, so getting Support Fire in a run is less consistent.

[sullen valley]

I do not appreciate that using a Greater Call on two Greatshields is actually efficient, especially if you have a bow.

Takes a Miniboss room for a Boon
Asterius
"...Why did I go this way?"

[cunning urchin]

I don't remember the last time I was actually able to use a Greater Call in a room that wasn't a boss fight. Been awhile.

[carmine rivet]

Oh wow, Igneus Eden is so much better to use with Aim Assist off.

[rare topaz]

Good morning!

[carmine rivet]

morning!

[rare topaz]

All good?

[carmine rivet]

(o^_^)b

[rare topaz]

This is a bit of a spoilery question, but how have people made the || 4th Rail aspect || work? I genuinely don't like it atm. It feels slow, tedious and that, but I know that with the right build, or just a nudge in the right direction, I could enjoy a weapon, so yeah.

^_^

[turbid needle]

man how do I like get a good heat 35 run, clear both tartarus and asphodel with like 4 min left and then completly run out of time in elysuim 😔

elysium is choke city

[rare topaz]

#h1-high-heat-strategies should sort you out, I reckon!

[turbid needle]

oh ye we got that now

[stoic thicket]

@rare topaz Zeus attack, and stack as much Zeus as you can. Double Strike, Static Discharge, Legendary, what have you. Round it out with a bit of Artemis (mostly for Support Fire) and stuff just completely melts.

[carmine rivet]

Infinity Chamber has helped me out immensely since grabbing it. Since Dashes don't break the Beam line you can just track endlessly while dash-dodging.

[rare topaz]

I see!

[stoic thicket]

Yeah, Infinity Chamber is great if you run big Z. on the attack, as it's gonna do the majority of damage instead of the ramp.

[rare topaz]

Oh Faman got sniped

[near lark]

elysium is choke city

big mood

[stoic thicket]

Rail 4 with Zeus attack is an absolute monster, my dude. Try it out!

[rare topaz]

It feels like the Special is an essential component of it. I had the opportunity to take Epic Demeter special but took common Demeter attack somehow thinking it'd be okay. It seems fine though, it adds stacks quick, so if I get Arctic Blast, I can see that doing some ungodly damage.

I will! Thank you both

Also, just as a refresh, || Beo is bound to Chaos, right? ||

[carmine rivet]

Yup

[rare topaz]

Cheers

[spare berry]

What'd you need for fully loaded now?

[mystic vale]

Four tequilas.

[vague hearth]

Wait you can get infinity chamber with ||igneus?||

That's nuts

[smoky wolf]

Infinity chamber ||Lucifer|| is very underwhelming. The increased damage ramp-up is waaaaay better.

[carmine rivet]

Dash-Dancing around the arena with Infinity Igneus and Piercing Shot is amazing. Shields mean nothing to me.

[smoky wolf]

But if you're dashing, you could be reloading.

[carmine rivet]

Why, Igneus doesn't stop firing while dashing.

[stuck elbow]

I prefer the Artemis version myself

Green Crit Death Star laser

[smoky wolf]

Oh it doesn't? I'll experiment with it more. I still felt the damage reduction so harshly when I picked up eternal chamber though. Felt sluggish.

Even with Zeus attack

[carmine rivet]

Eh, I'm always slow with the ranged weapons anyway so it doesn't bother me.

[turbid needle]

Can the Rail be good? the reloading seems to make it a high skill weapon that requires calculated time management and moving away from the battle at times. What boons or daedalus hammers might make this easier?

[desert nacelle]

How can i obtain ||Lucifer||

[rocky sage]

u must have 5 titan blood at least invested in gun things

then talk to zeus

eventually

youll get it

[desert nacelle]

okay

[carmine rivet]

@turbid needle The Reload mechanic is a nuisance at worst. The Rail automatically reloads if its clip is empty after you stop holding down Attack, even while you're dashing.

[turbid needle]

I remember there being a daedalus (or maybe boon?) for the fists that lower the combo and heighten the damage. I wonder if the rail has something like that?

[carmine rivet]

If you're really worried about it, the Delta Chamber Hammer removes the reload mechanic by making your **Attack **a set 3-round burst.

[turbid needle]

Oh! youre faster than me

thanks bud

[carmine rivet]

The Twin Fists Hammer you're thinking of is called Heavy Knuckle.

It doubles your Attack damage but decreases the combo from 5-hits to 3-hits in the same time.

[turbid needle]

i love it

[wanton trail]

Yeah Delta Chamber lets you dash around like a maniac with Rail

[turbid needle]

i focus heavily on dash attacks and dashing

[wanton trail]

one of my fav hammers

triple rocket launcher still owns my heart, however

[stoic thicket]

Have to say I absolutely love the Smouldering Air duo. So many calls.

[vague hearth]

That would be genuinely insane with the extended poseidon call

I wanna try that combo

You're getting about 3 seconds of invuln and about 900 damage each call

Potentially more with wallslam/boss damage boon

[serene isle]

How does everyone feel about the Sisyphus Keepsake

[vague hearth]

It's interesting!

I kinda wanna try it sometime soon

It would make for a great speedrunning keepsake for tartarus, that's for sure

It just outright ups your DPS for cast special and attack without even needing a boon

And if you get a good hammer, that improves it even more

[red hound]

might be better the higher heat u go

when u have less options for attk/special/cast boons

[serene isle]

Yeah. I'm getting a feeling that it's pretty good since it provides you with some great consistency. I've come to realize that it takes a LOT for a boon to match the damage it gives you

[hushed ledge]

Yeah

It's huge damage

Casts especially really really struggle

[vague hearth]

Especially considering

That applies to all three forms of damage from the getgo

[stoic thicket]

Well, I'm starting to like Hestia. After rebinding various buttons it feels a lot better to use than before.

[serene isle]

Yup so it makes your early game basically a breeze

[vague hearth]

As opposed to a boon which can only increase one at a time

I need to improve it

[serene isle]

And if you get unlucky and get no good boons, you just take the passives and move on.

And when you reach a point in the game where you find a good boon to build around, you can just change the keepsake

I need to improve it
@vague hearth Yeah when I saw it, it was the first keepsake I decided to upgrade to max. I was like "wait isn't this really good?"

[vague hearth]

Also it makes getting rid of damage boons an actual option when dealing with underworld customs

"Oh I just lost my attack boon? That's ok, I'll just pick up sisyphus' keepsake to make up for it"

[serene isle]

LOL. Sisyphus keepsake literally putting in work

[vague hearth]

Compared to what it was before

I'm very happy with how it is

[serene isle]

Yeah. I'm very interested. My friend just told me that Ares doom boons are, on average, more damaging than getting any other boon. I did the math and this seems to be true. I've been heavily underestimating Ares because it wasn't making MY numbers go up so it didn't feel strong

I should use him more often

[hushed ledge]

Old shackle was good as well!

[stuck elbow]

Tbh ares/dio with their duo is legit disgusting

[hushed ledge]

Ares is very good if you just want a T1

[vague hearth]

What's their duo?

[stuck elbow]

Ares Attack and Dio special on Chaos shield is just

So fun

Poison deals damage faster

[vague hearth]

Oh

[stuck elbow]

More dot ticks

[vague hearth]

Oh boy

[stuck elbow]

Like Rama bow going for Dio Special with that duo can legit clear without needing to press attack once

[vague hearth]

That would be great with charon bow dio special

That too

[stuck elbow]

Just apply super deadly poison and kill everything with wine

[red hound]

is it just me or does guan yu feel really bad to play now

how do yall build guan yu

[flat brook]

what would you guys choose? (underworld customs active) https://i.imgur.com/KPquLoW.jpg

i'm torn between fixation and attack... my only source of weak is attack, so fixation doesnt do much

[stoic thicket]

Did you build around the Hangover? If so I'd guess Unhealthy Fixation goes.

[flat brook]

yup

[stoic thicket]

It gives a ton of gold and is super nice to have, but I don't think it's worth keeping it over a reliable weak.

Plus Low Tolerance also stops working if you sell the attack.

[flat brook]

i still have 5 FAs so im wondering if its worth taking the risk

of selling the attack and getting either attack or dash again

since i dont have a dash

[stoic thicket]

That's certainly a gamble.

[atomic mist]

I wouldn't risk it. It hurts getting rid of a legendary boon but picking the other two would ruin the build so

[flat brook]

i went yolo and sold the attack

luckily i rerolled into aphro and she gave me the attack

thanks aphro

[stoic thicket]

You got some cojones on you.

[atomic mist]

I'm glad it worked out for you in the end lol

[flat brook]

if i didnt have the fated authorities i definitely wouldnt have gambled that hard

both charon boons were ares and there was no aphro in the rooms

i'd have been screwed

[flat brook]

does anyone know if pressure points is a possible prereq for splitting headache or do you need a core artemis boon with crit?

[cunning urchin]

I think . . .

I think . . . . .

I have no idea.

Hunter Dash would make no sense if it works.

Pressure Points opens her t2 crit boon pool.

So maybe! Sounds plausible.

[inland meadow]

so how much extra damage does powershot do by default?

[serene isle]

60

[cunning urchin]

Power Shot is 60, Dash Power Shot is 40.

[rough bluff]

did they remove the "hold cast to load all available casts" for Beowulf and Hera's Aspect?

[sage vale]

just got 2 duo boons to choose

noice

[lament coral]

@rough bluff don't see anything like that in the patch notes

[rough bluff]

i could've sworn it used to be there, but i can't do it anymore in-game

[sage vale]

@rough bluff i kinda feel like they did, i swear i could load all yesterday

but now i can't

[mild briar]

Hi! im in a run currently with the railgun, im mainly playing around Ares on attack and special (mainly the attack) and already have a hammer upgrade that my attack seeks its target

now i have the choic ebetween cluster bomb, explosive fire and delta chamber for 2nd hammer upgrade

im leaning towards explosive fire but im a bit worried that its not that good with my build, in case it breaks the seeker missiles

( i also have the ares-reflect duo and my dash and my cast reflect)

[dry ember]

@rough bluff yes they did remove hold to load due to a bug. They will reinstate it when they fix it. Source: Amir's message yesterday that I'm too lazy to find.

[lament coral]

it the hammer is offered, it doesn't conflict with your other hammers

[rough bluff]

ah alright

[lament coral]

huh, I didn't even notice you could hold to load before

[mild briar]

wait what

you can hold x to reload?!

[dry ember]

With the latest patch you can with Hera and Beowulf

(not anymore due to hot fix)

[lament coral]

apparently it's bugged and is being worked on

[dry ember]

Tldr it will come, eventually.

[lament coral]

wonder if the ability to load casts into Beowulf while rushing will be removed, too

[red hound]

anyone has a decent guan yu build?

feels really bad to use now for some reason

[dry ember]

Deadly Flourish with Charged Skewer

Just use Special a lot

[vague hearth]

That'll do it

[dry ember]

use the spin when you can (i.e. to camp enemies just spawning in), but you shouldn't rely on it for damage. Again, spam Special.

[lament coral]

Athena attack, get Quick Spin and Big Spin

you won. Alternatively, get Aphrodite special and Spear Charge.

hunt for max HP

it's tough early on but gets easier as you stock up on health

[neon bramble]

it the hammer is offered, it doesn't conflict with your other hammers

That's not entirely true...

You can be offered a spin hammer for the spear, and then get offered flurry jab which prevents you from using spin with the spear @lament coral

[dry ember]

sounds like that's unintended

you should F10 that

[lament coral]

that is intentional

and you misunderstood my message

and the message I was replying to

[neon bramble]

The statement was made as though it applies to all weapons even though you were talking about the rail

[lament coral]

dude

[neon bramble]

The same thing can happen using burst fire on Hestia rail which eliminates empowered shot

[lament coral]

im leaning towards explosive fire but im a bit worried that its not that good with my build, in case it breaks the seeker missiles

do you even read, bro

[neon bramble]

I understand, but he's gonna think that applies to all weapons

[dry ember]

Burst Fire?

[neon bramble]

I did read your post

[dry ember]

like delta chamber?

[neon bramble]

Yeah

[dry ember]

you can still reload afaik

[lament coral]

if the hammer is offered, it doesn't conflict with your other hammers

[dry ember]

it just doesn't help

[neon bramble]

And the issue with spin hammers and flurry jab has already been reported by someone

I tested it to see if he was correct

[drowsy belfry]

Hi, could someone answer me something ?

Zeus special hits with every hit from the bow special, right ?

Because im using it and between the fact that i cant see the damage numbers and the fact that it seems do deal a little damage im starting to think it doesnt

[dry ember]

It used to be that way

But no longer so. Lightning Flourish now has an internal cooldown

So no, it doesn not hit with every single arrow.

[drowsy belfry]

typical gaming balance

fml

it also apply for lucifer aspect i guess ?

[dry ember]

yeah, but even with the cooldown it's still really good

actually now that I think of it,

lightning strike might not have a cooldown at all

maybe just flourish

[drowsy belfry]

well, im getting two ticks from 11 hits

i will check strike, ty

[dry ember]

I mean Lightning Strike Fists and Lightning Strike Rail still pack tons of damage. I use them a lot. Lightning Flourish only seems worth it for Zeus Shield or Chaos Shield imo.

[drowsy belfry]

Should i guess that the best special for chiron is artemis ?

or maybe demeter/dyonisus ?

[dry ember]

yeah, that's about it

although I'm not a big fan of Chiron so i'm biased xD

[drowsy belfry]

I actually preffer hera, but i suck so I maxed chiron first for "free" runs

Anyway, if im gonna ask something from the new companion, should I do it in spoilers ?

[dry ember]

you can do it here. if you want to be courteous, put it in spoiler mask.

[drowsy belfry]

how can i do that?

[dry ember]

put || before and after your quote

[drowsy belfry]

kk ty

[dry ember]

so | | spoiler | | to get ||spoiler||

[sage vale]

okay so Bow of Hera's upgrade does nothing when you have bloodstone regeneration?

[native ether]

is it just me or does guan yu feel really bad to play now
Guan Yu felt fine for me last night. I was having Graphics Card issues so I was playing the game at 5 frames per second and still managed to beat it using Stubborn Defiance. Just gotta build around the spin and spin to win.

[cunning urchin]

@sage vale correct.

[fierce thicket]

what kind of build work with guan yu aspect? just did my first run trying to get some zeus procs but the spin does not tick as well as i expected

[inner heath]

Historically, I've focused on building up its special for special spam, but I think they nerfed that this patch

If you want to spam spin attack, Athena deflect might be a good default

Can go for Deadly Reversal too with Artemis dash

[unkempt pagoda]

special spam still works

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu's Special damage went from 50 to 45, and the hitbox is narrower.

[inner heath]

^ Thanks Nyaanyaa. Well, there you go. Still probably viable too

[fierce thicket]

i did notice the special was more convenient even though my build wasn't favoring it.

gonna give a shot to the athena strat though, never really focused on her

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish + Deadly Reversal is a solid build.

[unkempt pagoda]

for a spin build, the new GY hammer allows you to snipe spins from a distance, or play with the bouncing feature of the spin in enclosed spaces

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash for Dash-Strike damage.

[mortal forge]

Does Flurry Cast improve the Ice Laser cast's DPS?

[inner heath]

I don't think so? Maybe someone else knows for sure though

[mighty ermine]

i don't believe it would in any significant way outside of just getting all your crystals out on the field faster, which technically would have them all start doing damage faster, if you were going to cast them all in a row anyway

it does count towards Greater Recall if you have Infernal Soul active on your mirror, though, (+2 casts rather than regen with Stygian) which is definitely a swanky thing to have with crystal beam

[pale bough]

Do you guys have any tips for the temple of Styx? I always die to the poison from those rats 😦

[dry ember]

if you are struggling with poison then may I suggest equipping Spearpoint?

You will have less protection at Hades without Acorn but yknow

trade off

Otherwise look for Athena's Hold Shield boon

In general, treat poison like lava, locate the antidote pool the moment you step into a chamber

[mighty ermine]

yeah, i would definitely give the same advice; keep tabs on the curing wells for every chamber

some of them of pretty nefariously placed, like one between the path of two large saw blade trap projectiles, so don't always rush to them without looking depending on the pool

[cunning urchin]

Don't step on poison puddles. Use attacks with some range or kite them away if there's too much poison on the floor next to them. Stunlock them if they don't have armor and you get the chance, so they don't get another chance to drop poison.

[stoic thicket]

Man, that just kinda sucked. Low heat and still won so no big deal, but an attack focused build where I got like 9 poms or so during the run and didn't get offered to upgrade the attack once.

[abstract urchin]

whats a good fists build

[inner heath]

Merciful End (Ares Attack, Athena Dash, Duo boon) is solid. Then there's Deadly Reversal (Athena Attack, Artemis Dash, Duo boon). This is for Zagreus aspect.

There's good builds for Demeter aspect too, as those seem to be the most popular of the three, but I don't know them offhand

And I'm sure there's plenty of others

[abstract urchin]

sweet thanks, any good daedalus i should look out for if im doing merciful end with zag aspect?

[inner heath]

as those two* aspects seem to be

It can work pretty well without any hammer aspects. I prefer long knuckles as it can be helpful to keep a distance before you find the duo boon

And I avoid heavy knuckles because it's a lot slower

Otherwise, any other attack hammer is fine. The one that shreds armor is good early game too.

[sterile portal]

there’s also the new hammer which gives you sturdy while attacking, as well as the always fantastic breaching cross

[inner heath]

^ Truth

[lapis pebble]

could someone please explain me how Ares/Aphrodite duo boon works?

[stoic thicket]

Curse of Longing?

[lapis pebble]

yup

[stoic thicket]

Oh no, wait.

Okay, so after the doom ticks and deals damage, it ticks a second time for a quarter of the original one's damage, then again for a quarter of that damage, and it goes down until it doesn't deal any damage anymore.

If you just apply the Doom effect once it's essentially ~30% damage increase over a few seconds.

[mighty ermine]

i think curse of longing has been buffed from 25% of the damage to 50%

[lapis pebble]

ah, I see
but first I got to apply Weak and then Doom, right?

[stoic thicket]

That might be the case, I haven't picked it up since the Beta launched.

I think so, yes.

[lapis pebble]

i think curse of longing has been buffed from 25% of the damage to 50%
@mighty ermine yup its been

okie thanks

gotta fight Hydra now

[cunning urchin]

Then there's Deadly Reversal (Athena Attack, Artemis Dash, Duo boon).
Deadly Reversal is nice to have and a priority pick simply because it's harder to get, but Support Fire is more important for the build.

Heavy Knuckle is actually decent.

[forest marsh]

@naive tusk I did the thing! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553141358903164941/726879653180080199/Hades_425.png

[stoic thicket]

I tried Kinetic Launcher today for the first time. I actually really like the concept but that thing needs a buff, desperately.

It is just too narrow to reliably hit things with.

[mighty ermine]

@cunning urchin haven't picked up heavy knuckle yet, myself. would you say the hit to aps is big enough to make it something to avoid on demeter aspect?

[remote valley]

@stoic thicket I agree, just like the shield shooting one

[lament coral]

Heavy Fist is pretty bad, imho

[stoic thicket]

Have to say though, Kinetic Launcher, fully charged, with Demeter fist and a half-decent support boon just friggin chunks.

[cunning urchin]

Hmm. Yeah, on Demeter Aspect I would avoid it because you just want to charge your Special asap.

[lament coral]

it lacks the width of the sword

it's like a worse World Splitter

[cunning urchin]

It's decent.

[lament coral]

I suppose it's better on Zag with built-in speed boost

[cunning urchin]

For Zagreus Aspect, you definitely get some DPS boost unless you're running Merciful End where it doesn't really matter.

[lament coral]

but the punches are so slow that enemies can reliably hit you through em

[cunning urchin]

Talos doesn't mind it either because you have a lot of control over the battlefield, so you can backstab easily.

[lament coral]

I abandoned Talos entirely: with 40% FO, enemies can hit you right after the pull is over

[cunning urchin]

Dash-cancel the pull.

And time your pulls. It can be pretty strong. @weak moat really puts it to good use.

It's also pretty solid for Blizzard Shot builds, although I guess Blizzard Shot got nerfed. It basically solves the one problem Blizzard Shot has vs mobs, which is they leave its AOE or just don't happen to go near it. You simply pull things into your Blizzard Shot, and they get shredded plus take +40% cast damage.

[stoic thicket]

What happened to Blizz shot?

[lament coral]

it's short

[cunning urchin]

The damage from the shards got nerfed, I've heard. I haven't used it in this version.

[mighty ermine]

shard damage nerfed from 40 per to 20 per

[cunning urchin]

It's still a lot of damage.

[lament coral]

the way it dissipates causes enemies to miss out on a lot of damage, Talos allows you to pull em right in the midst of it

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, exactly.

I actually like Tidal Dash on it for that build, so you can pull enemies with your Special and shove them with your dash into your Blizzard Shots.

[lament coral]

you can still one shot Styx elites with it

[cunning urchin]

And Demeter's Aid works well with it, for similar reasons.

[lament coral]

the overlap breaks the armor and drains HP on the spot

with the fix to Beowulf restoring the block functionality, I feel like any other cast build is kind of a waste

Hera especially

[naive tusk]

@forest marsh Congratulations! Your name will be added to the Hall of Fame
You did just before I was about to wrap this week's challenge up

[forest marsh]

I look forward to the new challenge! I wonder what it could be

[mighty ermine]

[native ether]

[naive tusk]

(Find out in a couple of hours)

[worthy adder]

So stubborn roots basically autowins the final boss if you have shield

since there doesn't seem to be any attacks that can hit you through the shield and you can just wait in the corner until you're above one-shot

[native ether]

tbh though that's kinda the shield in general

[forest marsh]

As long as you aren't running TD, sure

[lost cairn]

which fist aspect would you recommend investing in?

[main osprey]

I like Talos, Zag gets a lot of max level

[lost cairn]

Zag might be the best basic aspect isnt it?

[main osprey]

@cunning urchin would be able to help you a bit more, they have a lot more experience with Demeter and if that's a good one

[lost cairn]

I think I might go with Zag, it seems most bang for buck

[unkempt pagoda]

demeter aspect imo is the best

takes a bit to invest in, but then you get to delete an enemy off the map every 12 hits

[lost cairn]

I like all tbh

[cunning urchin]

Talos and Demeter both cost 15~16 Titan Blood to max out.

Zagreus Aspect is only 5 Titan Blood and perfectly capable of taking on any heat.

[lost cairn]

damn i didn'know that it's 1 on all levels?

well it's settled then, thanks

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, all Zagreus Aspects cost only 5 to max out.

I'm planning to max out Zagreus Aspect first on the new save I made for Hell mode.

[lost cairn]

cool

[cunning urchin]

After that, Demeter Aspect. And finally Talos.

[lost cairn]

Now I'm thinking about other Zag aspects. Rail might be good maybe?

[tepid ridge]

Zag aspect on rail, bow, and fists are all pretty darn solid

[lost cairn]

That's nice since I already have a maxed Chaos Aspect and working on Achilles Spear

[tepid ridge]

Both solid choices as well. Zag aspect on sword is good for Going Fast™️ from what I know but most people prefer the alternatives because they’re all great.

[inland meadow]

does dread shield affect chaos shields duplicates?

it makes the shield strike up to 4 more foes

[main osprey]

It should?

[warm kayak]

What aspects do people like on the bow? Zag is maxed but I haven't tried any of the others yet

[main osprey]

I like Chiron

[mighty ermine]

i prefer Zag and Rama for higher heat, and Hera just for fun at low-mid heat

[warm kayak]

I'm at about Heat 6

[mighty ermine]

i'm not personally big on chiron but that's because i prefer attack-heavy power shot playstyles more

you pretty much can't go wrong with any of them at 6 heat, I'd say

whichever you personally like

[main osprey]

@hardy epoch depends a lot on my build. If I'm able to stay with Theseus and keep hitting him I will, but more often it's easier to take down Asterius first

[hardy epoch]

I always take out asterius first because I'm better with his pattern and it builds my god gauge to demolish theseus

[native ether]

It depends on a variety of things for me.

I tend to really really really dislike fighting Theseus on his own.

Because he attacks faster if he's alone

Which also means the god call attacks are more frequent

[main osprey]

Huh, never noticed that

[native ether]

the buff used to be much more than it is now

(so its mostly habit)

With Extreme Measures enabled, I tend to focus Asterius first because he's absolutely much more the bigger threat.

[forest marsh]

Same, Pear

[main osprey]

Yeah

[native ether]

Regardless, what I've tried to do more recently is using Thanatos' summon, bring them both down low, and kill them fast in their phase 2s

since ive really started to notice that the heal from Shady is honestly nothing lol

[forest marsh]

It's what, 50 total?

I like Shady still, that little bit of healing has saved me on numerous occasions

[native ether]

yeah which is in Extreme Measures Theseus, quite literally nothing lol

[main osprey]

Also a bit extra if you have Dark Regen

[forest marsh]

Often it's the difference between losing a DD and not, for me

[native ether]

its typically 1 hit for me. I find if I'm relying on it, I'm already losing a death defiance

for me I've personally found the faster I kill the heroes, the less likely I am to lose there

[forest marsh]

True, but that applies to runs as a whole

[native ether]

yeah, the biggest downside to Than's summon is that it cant be used on the final boss

can the new companion be used on the final boss?

[forest marsh]

No

[main osprey]

Nope

[native ether]

unfortunate

I was considering using it but if it cant be used on the final boss Than's is better

its really weird that only 2 (afaik) of the companions can be used on the final boss.

[forest marsh]

I guess no one else is brave or carefree enough to stand up to Hades

[wintry plume]

if they're his employees

[native ether]

i mean it makes sense thematically but imo gameplay perspective it would make sense if none of them or all of them could be used against the final boss

cause that's not dictated to the player and its not immediately obvious

like for Than and Meg in their respective rooms it makes sense that you cant call them

cause they're uh

already there

but the other restrictions feel like they exist for thematics or to make the final boss harder, yet it isn't really explained at all

[wintry plume]

maybe they could put a conversation where Zag asks why they didn't help him and they say they can't cause Hades is their employer
He doesn't actually know they're helping him
Than always says "dOn'T lEt AnYoNe KnOw AbOuT tHiS"

[sage vale]

I don't get it. How do you guys play ||Lucifer||? It seems that the bread and butter of it is the detonatable special, but placing those on the map is so awkward and clunky

[main osprey]

Hazard Bomb

[sage vale]

so basically i have to pray for hammers when i pick it?

[main osprey]

Nah, that's mostly a joke

In all seriousness, it's similar to the other aspects, just with more intentional placement of the special

[sage vale]

geez... 70 hours in and I've yet to find a build where rail just feels good to play

closest i've got was with dionysus attack and hella lot of dashes

[main osprey]

The most fun I've had was my first time with the new aspect. I went Hazard Bomb, Ares Special, 4 Divine Dashes

I finished with exactly 3 HP

[sage vale]

I had a good thing rolling with the new aspect, which felt good, but ultimatively killed me right before the final boss

because of all the vermin

demeter attack and artemis special

[main osprey]

Ooh, that sounds interesting

[sage vale]

it did melt most everything, but i couldn't help it if i couldn't stand still for long enough time to ever deploy a bomb

and i had hermes' boon for faster special

that's kinda my point

it feels just a tad too slow and too clunky

i can't find the same flow you get with other weapons

[main osprey]

Maybe drop that in #hades-feedback ?

[sage vale]

like bow even, you have to charge every shot but it still gives you just enough time to dash charge dash charge dash charge

nah, people don't seem to mind and I don't have a solution anyway

just venting 😄

if anything, i hope for a hammer boon so i don't have to pray every time for one

[main osprey]

You don't need a solution to provide feedback, but I follow. Maybe try dodging back right before you special, so you have more time?

[sage vale]

a keepsake, rather *

those last stages are tough for that

[main osprey]

True. The rooms filled with smaller vermin (crawlers?) were definitely tricky

[sage vale]

welp. I guess gauntlets will be my favourite machine gun for the time being 😄

[forest marsh]

I enjoy Lucifer but hardly rely on the special at all, aside from incidental use

Taking advantage of the fast attack rate is great for any build that uses status effects or just Zeus spam

[sage vale]

yeah I did demeter

[hushed bramble]

I love using lucifer special before chests, duo buffs, and in erebus

[sage vale]

it's a bit of a shame though, to just straight up ignore the most interesting part of the kit

[hushed bramble]

little land mines that also pulse damage before the enemy hits them

[forest marsh]

I think it's because I use gamepad. If I used KBM I'd probably use the special more

And I wouldn't say I ignore it, I do use the special every time, I just don't try to build around it

[mighty ermine]

though i use gamepad as well, i don't think it's solely a controller thing. the special overall isn't as potent as building around the attack, even in a single-boon sense

there are niche builds that make it shine, but again, they're more niche

[sage vale]

okay, i was joking about the gauntlets being a machine gun

but i just tried to reload the thing instinctively

[hushed bramble]

there is a reload for em

[forest marsh]

I do it too, svxe

[hushed bramble]

its called a dash

:^)

[sage vale]

i pressed the reload button

i'm trying to see how far i can push ramping up their attack speed and it's getting pretty fun round here

[forest marsh]

It gets pretty silly

[sage vale]

also +66% damage attack from Chaos

and epic Artemis boon for it

this is so fun

+216% damage for the first few seconds of the encounter

now we're talking

wanna bet I lose in some stupid way?

[forest marsh]

I'm a big fan of Hydraulic Might

[native ether]

its a neat boon, I just never take it cause im always offered something better

[hushed bramble]

yeah, like its not bad to have

[forest marsh]

It usually just makes a good run better

[native ether]

cause that 5 second bonus isnt helpful in the most dangerous rooms of the game (bosses)

[hushed bramble]

but combat lasts so much longer then the 1st 5 secs

[forest marsh]

I don't think it's ever been a turning point in a run for me

[hushed bramble]

Irrelevant, but I love Side Hustle so much

the fact it works for all the rooms on the surface is 💯

[sage vale]

okay I haven't died on the Heroes arena

that rarely happens

i'm half sure i'll fall off the bridge while fishing now

[hushed bramble]

you got this mate

[sage vale]

close but no cigar

i dashed into my doom

i love this game

[inland meadow]

is "a friendly wager" bugged?

I beat charon twice in a row

[hushed bramble]

did you have the prophecy before you did so?

[inland meadow]

unless that means literally the run afterwords

[forest marsh]

I got it pretty early so couldn't say

Oh, yeah, you have to beat him after getting the prophecy

[inland meadow]

yes I had the prophecy before hand

[fringe cedar]

Anyone know if having an impenetrable bond with an olympian god gives you any combat bonus ?

[forest marsh]

But it shouldn't matter when after

It does not, Edgar

[fringe cedar]

ok thanks

[inland meadow]

so what does "two successive battles" mean in the context of the quest?

[forest marsh]

Twice in a row with no defeats in between

Number of runs between wins doesn't matter as long as you don't lose between the 2 wins

[inland meadow]

so fighting him twice and winning twice with no loses in between regardless of how many normal runs are between them?

[forest marsh]

Yes

[inland meadow]

I did that...

[forest marsh]

Then I would submit an

So they can look and see if the triggers are broken in your save

[naive tusk]

🔔 This week's challenge is over! Here's the Hall of Fame for those who made it. Congratulations! 🎊
@mighty ermine @magic dagger @astral phoenix @sterile portal @dry ember @steel perch @turbid needle @eternal quartz @low urchin @unkempt pagoda @leaden hare @livid comet @stiff stone @native ether @forest marsh

[forest marsh]

It won't matter where in the game you submit the report, just describe what is going on

[naive tusk]

Now for the Peachy Weekly Challenge of this week!
Good luck to those who attempt this and remember to have fun!
Thanks to @eternal quartz @sterile portal @unkempt geyser for their help and support!
Bonus: Have the Persona 5 song "The Whims of Fate" play in the background (and sing along to it or @native ether will riot). Thanks for inspiring this week's challenge

Remember to mention me alongside your Victory Screen in #h1-victory-boasting and/or your recording in #self-promotion so I don't miss them and I can add you to the Hall of Fame
By the way, I'm open to challenge ideas/suggestions so feel free to DM me if you got some and would like to see them in a future challenge

[dry ember]

Yay

[low urchin]

oh glob, this one is hard

[forest marsh]

So much more strict than the run I did earlier
I will try to do this again

[mighty ermine]

oh this one is involved

[sterile portal]

It's probably a lot easier than it sounds

[dry ember]

Just pick a hammer neutral option

Like Nemesis

Or Hestia Rail

And you can go brrrrr

[naive tusk]

You can't pick hammers

[mighty ermine]

AP2 babey

[dry ember]

Why not?

[naive tusk]

Approval Process 2

[low urchin]

but what if I see the item on Wells of Charon and can not buy it?

[dry ember]

Oh

I meant just pick hammer room

Nemesis doesn't care about what hammer you get

[naive tusk]

but what if I see the item onWeels of Charon and can not buy it?
@low urchin If you can't afford it, you can pass on it. But you must buy the aforemention items if you have the obols to do so.

[mighty ermine]

peach do you want a recording to verify that light of ixion and fateful twists are bought every time?

[dry ember]

I'm doing a recording anyhow

We can speedrun this xD

[naive tusk]

If you can record it, that'd be better. That will also let others watch your whimsical run

[dry ember]

May the luckier person wins.

Hmm should I sleep or do this

[naive tusk]

For those who can't record it, a Victory Screen will suffice and we will trust your luck hehe

[dry ember]

This seems really fun

[sterile portal]

Gonna try it after I finish attempting this 32 heat achilles spear run

bad ideas, ahoy!

[naive tusk]

Remember to mention me alongside your Victory Screen in #h1-victory-boasting or your recording in #self-promotion

So I don't miss them and I can add you to the hall of fame

[dry ember]

I'm doing a recording now. I didn't buy new HDD and SSD for nothing

[hushed bramble]

holy molly, charmed enemies do SO much damage now

from 25 to me to 2000 to each other

[low urchin]

they know their weakness

[hushed bramble]

this is amazing, charming snake dudes to laser everyone else constantly because of of the zeus and aphro duo boon

[median oyster]

yooo charged shot on the beowulf shield is freaking insane

i got it with ice wine, so i can shoot these projectiles that melt everything where they land for a really long time

[flat brook]

killing an offscreen enemy you didn't even know was there #justchaosshieldthings

[median oyster]

oh god i got artemis legendary too

what is this run

[mighty ermine]

@naive tusk if a second chaos gate never shows up during the run despite me holding the egg... can i not complete the challenge?

[naive tusk]

@naive tusk if a second chaos gate never shows up during the run despite me holding the egg... can i not complete the challenge?
@mighty ermine sadly, it won’t count 😦

[mighty ermine]

well, rest in peace my first attempt then...

[naive tusk]

So you will have to make another attempt

[mighty ermine]

why must you deny me a run that was going fine, master chaos...

at least tell charon to stock more lights of ixion

[hushed bramble]

isnt it better to not have it offered more? so you can spend what little gold you get on boons/poms/etc

[forest marsh]

Sure, but you need at least 2 gates

[mighty ermine]

if at least one had shown up, i could have met the two chaos blessings requirement

i was not so lucky in that regard

[native ether]

I would also its in the spirit of the challenge to always have enough obols on you to afford the various items you need to purchase

[hushed bramble]

honestly, this is so weird not facing waves of waves of super fast peeps

[native ether]

so while its (presumably) allowed for you to empty your wallet to avoid having to buy them, its slightly in poor taste :p

[hushed bramble]

i usually take that for heat instead of these rules

[native ether]

everyone can blame me for this one, this is an idea ive had for over a year :p

[hushed bramble]

nah, its a fun one mate

[mighty ermine]

yeah, i like all of it aside from the two chaos blessings one, which was just kind of a "too bad!" moment for me

but oh well, it's not a biggie

[native ether]

also for those of you who want to know what the heck the persona 5 song is (if you dont already) ill drop it in the off topic channels. My original inspiration from this came from listening to it for hours on repeat (thanks game)

[hushed bramble]

maaan honestly each of the persona games have such a distinct music style, but they absolutely knock it out of the park for each

[flat brook]

does "routine inspection -3" in the challenge mean 1 point into routine inspection, removing 3 talents, or 3 points into routine inspection, removing 9 talents?

[hushed bramble]

-9 im assuming

[native ether]

I would assume its just the first level

[flat brook]

[native ether]

(to remove Fated Authority/Persuasion charges)

[flat brook]

someone decide before i start my run haha

@naive tusk

[native ether]

@naive tusk that one is worth clarifying when you get the chance :p

oh oops

[hushed bramble]

just go with -9 for the thrill

:^)

[flat brook]

-3 is enough thrill for me i'd say

[native ether]

yeah just give into the temptation of having 1 dash

[flat brook]

gonna do -15, who needs defiances

[hushed bramble]

50% dodge + damage> another dash imo

[native ether]

yeah but this way you get neither :p

[hushed bramble]

lol fair

[native ether]

and you have almost no chance of getting another one

and if you do, its likely just 1 as your rarity boosters will be off lol

[flat brook]

i think its just one point since it says -3

[native ether]

yeah behind closed doors that was my original idea

just to remove initial Fated charges

[flat brook]

gonna start it then

wish me luck

[native ether]

you cant stop people getting them from keys, so /shrug

[flat brook]

could put a condition "use bouldy 5 times in tartarus" to be able to afford everything lol

[low urchin]

[native ether]

yeah but that does assume you have level 5 bouldy lol

ill definitely do this one for sure. Likely record it and throw in some persona soundtrack for the fun of it.

[hushed bramble]

hmm, things are going well and im in the 3rd area like 3 rooms before the champions

should I borrow 300g

🤔

[flat brook]

3rd area 3 rooms 300g

if that's not a signal i dont know what is

[hushed bramble]

u right. seems like fate was being whimsical

should not have done that lmao

[flat brook]

yolo

the pool of purging should be affected by approval process for this challenge alone

[naive tusk]

Oh, to clarify, Routine Inspection -3 as it's shown in the Pact (which means only 1 level of it)
@flat brook @native ether

[native ether]

👍

[flat brook]

thanks

[naive tusk]

All the conditions I post are shown in the same way it's shown in-game

[hushed bramble]

oh, then would i be DQ'd if put 3 point into it? cause this run is at hades

[flat brook]

you'll be dq'd for badassery

how come my first hammer only appeared at chamber 31?

[naive tusk]

oh, then would i be DQ'd if put 3 point into it? cause this run is at hades
@hushed bramble Not at all! You are free to add more heat if you want

[hushed bramble]

sweet

[stiff stone]

I’m gonna try that challenge hehe

Looks fun

[sterile portal]

About to fail this peach challenge cause chaos/light of ixion literally never appeared

[naive tusk]

Radish, I love you

[forest marsh]

Getting ready for my (official) run right now

[mighty ermine]

@naive tusk complete! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/726957070536015892/20200628192656_1.jpg

four gates this time lol

i'll upload the run later

[flat brook]

oh come on
only got 1 hammer and styx doesnt have any hammers on sale, on the rooms or an anvil

DQ'd by rng

[hushed bramble]

ayy and done

lmao same minute

[flat brook]

i have made a great mistake

just entered erebus and forgot i had a +74% enemies chaos curse

[mighty ermine]

peach's challenge also taught me that ruthless reflex can activate (or at least the text) even while it's not the active talent in the mirror. truly, the fates intended for me to a bug

[flat brook]

did you have zeus' lightning-when-you-dash boon?

because it uses the ruthless reflex text

[naive tusk]

By the way, I'm open to challenge ideas/suggestions so feel free to DM me if you got some and would like to see them in a challenge

[flat brook]

not the lightning dash, the one where you do a perfect dash

[naive tusk]

I will edit a pin to include that.

[mighty ermine]

ohh, i did! that... probably should not say ruthless in the same way as the mirror talent

but good to know, also

[flat brook]

yeah, i also found it strange

[hushed bramble]

its prob because they use the same trigger

[flat brook]

the only time i ever see chaos' legendary https://i.imgur.com/1qExXWj.jpg

[stiff jacinth]

Does Lucy + Hangover work as well as I think it does?

[flat brook]

it's good but unless you get piercing shot (i think that's the name?), it's hard to spread hangover across more enemies

[turbid needle]

Piercing Fire, to be pedantic, but Constantino got it.

[flat brook]

no probs, i knew it was piercing something

[stiff jacinth]

Good to know

[forest marsh]

peach's challenge also taught me that ruthless reflex can activate (or at least the text) even while it's not the active talent in the mirror. truly, the fates intended for me to a bug
@mighty ermine Did you have Lightning Reflexes? Because I've noticed that "Ruthless" appears for that

@naive tusk Challenge complete! I went the extra mile of using whatever had Darker Thirst on it. I'll link a video once it processes https://imgur.com/a/KcMiIlD
Edit: Here's the video https://youtu.be/0P-5L2cnhgc

[dry ember]

I only had one try but Chaos is hard to find haha

[forest marsh]

Chaos really wanted me to have a cast run despite never getting a cast boon

[hushed bramble]

who needs cast boon when you have that sweet 50 base damage

[forest marsh]

Managed 3 legendary fish catches on that run, too

[naive tusk]

@forest marsh Congratulations! You are the 2nd Fated Gambler! I'm so happy you decided to give it a shot, your avatar fits the theme

[forest marsh]

Ha ha thank you, I didn't even think about that

[dry ember]

peach's challenge also taught me that ruthless reflex can activate (or at least the text) even while it's not the active talent in the mirror. truly, the fates intended for me to a bug
@mighty ermine The text happens if you have Lightning Reflex, which you did.

Probably a bug still, but the cause is Lightning Reflex.

[neon bramble]

Did they shorten the cooldown after EM3 Asterius does his leaping attack?

I felt like he immediately turned around and started his short swings with zero delay

Usually he telegraphs them

[serene isle]

Maybe you upped your FO?

[zenith jay]

Damn cursed slash and excalibur is busted

Edit:and I just got the athena attack lul

[rare kayak]

how do you guys rank gods during trials? for me i usually never take demeter or athena’s punishments, but im generally pretty good with aphrodite and dionysus

[left eagle]

I try to never piss off Aphrodite

I always lose track of that damn heart and get blindsided by a stupid amount of damge while dodging something else

[zenith jay]

Zeus is pretty easy imo

[red hound]

i find demeter to be quite annoying

athena is the easiest for me by far

[rare kayak]

demeter’s is probably the worst just because of how much area and how long it lasts

athena is just really annoying for me to handle which is why i dont take it

ares also ramps up really quickly so i try not to mess with him

[left eagle]

Aphrodite and Poseidon and uh.... were there any others that arent big area effects? Those are the worst for me

[rare kayak]

only aphrodite and poseidon aim at you

artemis as well i guess

[forest marsh]

might be the worst just because of the stun

[rare kayak]

i find aphrodite’s to not be so bad

its got a slow turn radius

its just slow in general

[left eagle]

I just always lose track and run right into it like an idiot

So I guess I get what I deserve

[rare kayak]

my favourite olympian, joker

speaking of area denial, i fought lava hydra yesterday

absolutely awful

[red hound]

lava hydra has alot of stuff to keep track off

and is pretty deadly with EM2 and teh trap heat

[rare kayak]

i can see it being a fun fight on 0 heat

em lava hydra is crazy though

[forest marsh]

It definitely becomes hard to see anything in EM2 Lernie fight

My strategy is just keep dashing and hope it doesn't burn too bad

[left eagle]

I havent even tried yet and I'm scared

[forest marsh]

I believe in you

What's the worst that could happen?

[left eagle]

Death

[red hound]

i never take trap heat

because i keep running into lava

as well as ||hades|| pots

[rare kayak]

run into elysium arrows, get bodied and lose a death defiance has been my experience with trap heat

[hushed ledge]

Mood

But like it's also basically a free heat the rest of the time

[neon bramble]

Well @naive tusk I went for a heat 20 version of your challenge and lost to Dad on phase 2 ☹️

Had it recorded and everything, lol.

Anvil did not show up at the end though

[naive tusk]

That's too bad...

[neon bramble]

I actually had doom attack and divine dash, but game never offered me merciful end despite going almost all Ares

I didn't even see either item on Charon wells until Elysium, and only had one chaos boon until then... I thought I wasn't gonna meet the requirements until it showed up

[forest marsh]

I had Heroic Ares attack on my run and then I sold it to keep Side Hustle (literally my only 2 saleable boons at that point) and never got another attack boon until right before the end fight when I got... a common Ares attack

[neon bramble]

Oh dude... On the run before that I got drunken dash, sold it twice and got it again. Common all three times

It just wanted to give me Dio

[forest marsh]

Side Hustle really adds up, though, so I wasn't sad about keeping it instead of the attack

(This was in Tartarus)

[primal cape]

I think the game prioritizes getting you attack/special/cast early on and then is more accepting of giving you other things

[rare kayak]

side hustle is a great boon

love it

[primal cape]

So once you're out of tartarus those three are way less likely

[forest marsh]

This was more just a function of AP2 than anything else

[primal cape]

ap2?

[forest marsh]

Approval Process 2

Removes 2 of your choices from boon selections

[primal cape]

ah

I used to enjoy taking approval process but getting one is like pure run rng

[forest marsh]

Yeah, I was just using it for Peach's challenge

I don't normally run with it

[serene isle]

Yeah. Because you can't even avoid boons that ruin your build.

[primal cape]

also it can force you take all the poor dps options

[forest marsh]

Even AP1 has an uncanny ability to always delete the one boon/hammer that you want

[primal cape]

so you're just a walking ball of no dmg

[forest marsh]

It's a fun challenge, though

[primal cape]

hammers on ap feel the worst because no matter the weapon i swear there's only 3 good hamer options

[forest marsh]

I highly recommend it

[rare kayak]

ap is just rude

because it shows you the ones they delete

[primal cape]

^

wouldn't feel nearly as bad if you were clueless

[rare kayak]

if they just showed they ones you can take it wouldnt hit as hard

[primal cape]

feels so bad when you lose legendary because of it

[rare kayak]

tfw lost cold fusion

god cold fusion is such an insane duo though

always seem to find myself aiming for it nowadays

[cinder flower]

Hey guys, I'm new to using the gun (just the base gun right now) all of these look good, any suggestions? Rocket bomb, flurry fire, or piercing fire

[forest marsh]

Rocket Bomb is very powerful

[rare kayak]

go for the prophecy first?

[dry ember]

I like piercing fire

[rare kayak]

if not i like rocket bomb

[forest marsh]

Especially if you can get Cluster or Triple Bomb with it

[dry ember]

actually of them are good.

[forest marsh]

Piercing Fire is great

[cinder flower]

they all seem good

[dry ember]

you can go for any of them

[forest marsh]

I think Flurry is the least of the three, but it's good too

[dry ember]

I would personally go Flurry or Piercing

[cinder flower]

what is the prophecy? I have the prophecy i have it on piercing and rocket bomb

[dry ember]

it's to fulfill the quest, basically

[cinder flower]

so piercing or rocket hmm

[rare kayak]

yeah if theres a scroll mark next to a boon you generally want to take that one

[serene isle]

Wait a second. Are chaos gates bad now? What happened.

[forest marsh]

What attack/special boons do you have already?

[rare kayak]

chaos gates got diluted with bad boons

[forest marsh]

Why would Chaos gates be bad? I love them

[rare kayak]

gems and trap damage arent very nice

[dry ember]

do the Peachy challenge ❤️

[serene isle]

Someone was saying they basically don't take gates sort changes.

[cinder flower]

none I just started the run, i think my basic attacks can deflect that's it

[dry ember]

and see how good chaos can be

[rare kayak]

i still like them but it hurts losing twenty health and seeing that a boon is the old sisyphus keepsake

[forest marsh]

Pick whichever of Piercing or Rocket you think sounds more fun, then

They're both great

[serene isle]

Okay. Because I think they're good.

[rare kayak]

rail hammers in general are all pretty good

i like all of them

[forest marsh]

I have so many gems to acquire, I don't mind if Chaos offers more

[cinder flower]

rockets were the way to go 100%

[forest marsh]

Now just keep an eye out for Cluster Bomb or Triple Bomb

Then you can just destroy everything

[rare kayak]

honestly the rooms only giving 5 gems is an absolute scam

gimme more gems dammit

[cinder flower]

what are those

[forest marsh]

Fishing is probably my primary source of gems

[cinder flower]

more hammers?

[forest marsh]

Yes

[rare kayak]

yep

[cinder flower]

ok i will thank you

[rare kayak]

had a triple bomb run with new aspect the other day

the bombs ignite each other

and i was running artemis special so they did good damage

[forest marsh]

Getting 150 gems from Stonewhal is so good

[rare kayak]

ah yes perfect fishing

if only i could do that

tfw slow reflexes

the new skeletal fishing lure is really good though, ive gotten three chaos fish from it so far

[forest marsh]

I can usually get it each time. Tartarus always likes to give me Knuckleheads even on Perfect Catches though

Lucky! I never have it offered at the same time as a Chaos gate is present

[rare kayak]

i just take it every time its offered

sometimes i get rooms in tartarus without water and a gate

i can always get the fish but priming my reflexes for perfect is really tiring

i can do it its just hard

[forest marsh]

Understanding the pattern is key. If you get a 4th bob fish, those are easiest to get Perfect on because you know it will be coming

[rare kayak]

yeah those i can obv

but it takes a little bit more time for me to confirm the catch before i press the button

im getting faster though

anyone gotten the flame wheel item yet?

[forest marsh]

The white flash is all I really look for

[rare kayak]

convinced it doesnt exist

[forest marsh]

Yeah, I've seen it twice. It's very rare

[rare kayak]

hows it work

is it for rest of the run or

[forest marsh]

It just deletes Flamewheels from spawning

[rare kayak]

oh cool

[forest marsh]

For 10 encounters

Which by the time you get it will be all of Elysium

[rare kayak]

thats basicallythe whole of elysium

yeah

[forest marsh]

I really wish they would allow it to spawn in the Well after Hydra though...

Right now it only spawns inside Elysium proper

[rare kayak]

i had a run recently with rail and dc2

took a chaos boon where attack hurts but also buffed attack

in tartarus

three rooms of exclusively skulls

thankfully no deadline but still

[forest marsh]

Yikes

I took a similar Chaos curse but with fists, so I could only special my way through Asphodel for 3 or 4 encounters

It was very slow

[rare kayak]

i mean i still made it out fine but dc2 special only rail is very bad

[forest marsh]

And I did have TD1 on, but thankfully Asphodel is short

Yeah that would be rough

[rare kayak]

i had a two minute asphodel recently

without hydra

zag fists plume and rush kick

i was just teleporting around behind enemies

[cinder flower]

@rare kayak triple bomb

[forest marsh]

Nice

Time to spam that special

[primal cape]

triple bomb is my favorite special for gun none provide as much dmg imo

[cinder flower]

i also have pressure points lv 3

sooooooooooo

[forest marsh]

Enjoy that incoming W

[primal cape]

I wish pressure points had a higher % but accept that it probably shouldn't happen

[cinder flower]

i hope so, first time using this gun and i killed bone hydra

[primal cape]

just lame to get a heroic pressure points and just have it be 5%

[forest marsh]

I do too, but it was nerfed with good reason. Crit is just very powerful

[primal cape]

Do you think artemis attack/special is strong?

[forest marsh]

It can be

[primal cape]

Cause I enjoy artemis but just sitting on either one doesn't feel very impactful

[forest marsh]

I don't avoid it, if that's what you mean

[primal cape]

Just asking a generalized question

[forest marsh]

There's so much you can do to increase crit chance, so if you take Artemis on attack/special there's a good chance that you will also get something to boost that chance

[cinder flower]

so i have both deadly flourish and pressure points, should I keep leveling deadly florish for the special damage or go for preassure points small crit?

[forest marsh]

Hunter's Mark often results in crit cascades

[primal cape]

Yeah I just wish the base crit chance was higher than around 10%

[untold vortex]

base crit is 15% for artemis attack, 20% for special;

[forest marsh]

More crit chance will be more valuable than the base damage increase imo

So push PP if it's the option

[cinder flower]

k

[sacred idol]

Dammit. I almost got my fastest clear with an unranked Talos fists on Heat 2, but lost to Hades due to lacking DPS

And dashes

I had all the ingredients for a good build, but none of the duos it needed.

Basically, it was almost a cold fusion/sea storm minus the bits that make it actually work well

It was also almost a hypercharged crystal beam duo build with that tracking one, but the boons did not materialize.

Had great hammers too, Breaching Cross and Colossus Knuckle :c

[worthy adder]

recommendations for early game aspects?

[forest marsh]

What do you like playing?

[worthy adder]

I didn't think about that

[forest marsh]

That's really all that matters. Every weapon caters to different playstyles, and every aspect the same

There's no "choose this to win" option if you don't enjoy how it plays

[worthy adder]

Well I know I don't want to get a shield aspect because I'm doing well with the base shield. I think thats mainly because its so versatile. I haven't done any cast builds but it looks like a bunch of thes are good for that. I can make it to hades fairly consistently with anything, and I think I'd like more damage

But in terms of how I like playing, i don't know how to answer that

[forest marsh]

If you like the base weapon, then investing in Zagreus aspect for that weapon is a good choice, typically

[worthy adder]

Oh I seem to like going crit

[serene isle]

Nemesis Sword it is

[forest marsh]

Stygius Nemesis

[serene isle]

Best Crit weapon no doubt. Gives you nearly double the crit chance of any artemis boon

[worthy adder]

Yeah I was eyeing that and it looked kind of bonkers

[forest marsh]

Or Rail Hestia, but you have to build into the crit yourself it's not part of the aspect

[serene isle]

I "main" nemesis sword, so yeah it's fun

The build has gotten mega consistent with the addition of the Sisyphus keepsake

[worthy adder]

What does achilles do? it makes you rush to your spear probably but whats the deal with the damage bonus

[forest marsh]

When I play sword (which isn't often) I usually do Nemesis, Arthur is fun too though

[serene isle]

So you start the run with 30% crit and +80% damage

LOL

[worthy adder]

is it only a bonus to your rush damage

[forest marsh]

I like Achilles, but it can get you in trouble if you aren't careful

[serene isle]

It's bonus damage to your attack and cast, I believe

[stoic thicket]

No Achilles gives you a bonus to your next two attacks or casts.

[forest marsh]

Yeah, you get boosted attack and cast damage after using the rush

[worthy adder]

Oops

[forest marsh]

Which usually translates to cast

Since you get higher burst damage

[serene isle]

Yeah since casts have higher base damage

[forest marsh]

But you can use it to charge up a spin between waves, too

[worthy adder]

I was saying how I don't think I'll like i t regardless since I hated the forge sword effect that moved me when I specialed

it really discombonulated me

[forest marsh]

Achilles boosted spin can do good work

Achilles boosted Aphro cast is a very powerful shotgun, too

[serene isle]

Sounds really scary strong

[forest marsh]

But again, there's no "right" answer. Pick what sounds fun to you

[worthy adder]

Chiron seems really weak base

Is that the case?

[forest marsh]

A lot of the aspects are weak until you upgrade them, yeah

[serene isle]

Is Chiron bow the cast bow

or the special bow

[forest marsh]

Special

[worthy adder]

special boiw

Hera looks pretty good base, I wonder how it interacts wih the yellow mirror red dart

[forest marsh]

I can't comment on Chiron since I've never ran it

[dry ember]

I also don't recommend Chiron to start

That bow needs a lot of upgrade to be good

[cunning urchin]

The Zagreus Aspect of Coronacht gives you crit chance, since you like crits.

[worthy adder]

How does Hera/ posidon work with the yellow mirror red dart ?

[stoic thicket]

Chiron is one of the few aspects that are significantly worse, bordering unusable without fully upgrading it.

[serene isle]

Yellow Mirror Red dart?

[dry ember]

Hera you can only load one

[cunning urchin]

Hera Lv.1 is the same as Hera Lv.5 with Stygian Soul, basically.

[worthy adder]

The rechargable red projectile thing

[forest marsh]

You usually get better results with regular cast rather than Stygian Soul if using Hera

[dry ember]

I think they meant Stygian or Infernal Soul

[serene isle]

Yeah since you load 3 then burst someone

as opposed to loading 1 every X seconds

LOL

[dry ember]

With the regen cast you can only load one cast

[worthy adder]

Okay got it

[dry ember]

No idea for posei sword

I don't think you can dislodge

[forest marsh]

You can dislodge

[serene isle]

It doesn't work

[forest marsh]

It just doesn't drop a bloodstone

[dry ember]

But the cast bonus still applies

[serene isle]

the way tou expect to

Yeah was about to say

it doslodges it for literally no effect

LOL

[forest marsh]

Exit Wounds still procs

[serene isle]

Aside from the wounding yeah

[forest marsh]

But yeah, you aren't gaining anything else from the dislodge, unlike with Infernal Soul where you get your casts back

[serene isle]

Yup.

[forest marsh]

Generally any aspect that involves casts will be better with Infernal Soul

[serene isle]

A lot of the boons in the game "turn off" when you go infernal soul

[forest marsh]

Because you can stack them up

[serene isle]

Sorry

Stygian soul

Dang it. "Recharge Cast"

[forest marsh]

I still run Stygian Soul most of the time though (because I don't typically run the cast aspects)

[worthy adder]

Aite, thanks guys, that was surprisingly informative

you guys are the best

[serene isle]

I run Recharge Cast because I don't like having to pick up my casts

LOL

[forest marsh]

Happy to help

[serene isle]

👍

[stoic thicket]

On the other hand if you can get a chunk of chaos casts or well casts Stygian Soul can become absolutely brutal.

[forest marsh]

Oh, for sure

It only takes about 4 casts total to be able to never run out of casts with Stygian

It can get... silly

[stoic thicket]

Had a run with Crystal Beam, Crystal Clarity, Glacial Glare and then two Chaos casts and one Well cast. Final boss just melted.

Sadly didn't get Fully Loaded.

[serene isle]

Dang LOL

This isn't hades

it's Mission Impossible

Lasers everywhere

[forest marsh]

I do miss Love Triangle x Crystal Clarity...

[cinder flower]

now that i beat the first boss with every weapon once

what are some of the better weapons to use my blood on

[forest marsh]

Ha ha we just had this conversation with olgac

[cinder flower]

😒

[inner heath]

My favorite weapon right now is Zagreus fist

[forest marsh]

Really though, everything we said to them probably applies to you too

[inner heath]

Also, Zagreus sword is great, because that's also useful...later

[cinder flower]

is there a TLDR

a lot of stuff scrolling up

[forest marsh]

Sure

What do you enjoy weapon and build wise?

[cinder flower]

nothing really stood up THAT much, bow was kind of fun along witht he fist weapon but they all were pretty fun

also the rocket build was fun

[stoic thicket]

Zag fists are good because they are very cheap blood-wise and very reliable. Chaos shield is one of the safest options out there and great for pushing bounties.

[inner heath]

And yeah, any weapon is viable, so it's really what you enjoy. My favorites for each weapon are Zag sword, GY spear, Chaos shield, hera bow, zag fists, hestia rail. But any weapon can win

[forest marsh]

I would recommend Hestia aspect (rail), Zagreus aspect (bow), or Demeter aspect (fist)

[cinder flower]

what are bounties? is that how i get more blood

[forest marsh]

It really is just about what you think is fun

Yes, that's how you get more Titan Blood, Diamonds, and Ambrosia

[inner heath]

That's one way to get more blood. but it's one of a few, so it's not mandatory.

[forest marsh]

Each weapon will get the respective bounty from each boss

Once you clear with a weapon, you have to increase the in the Pact to get more bounties with that weapon

[inner heath]

Once you've unlocked the Pact of Punishment, you can incrementally increase the difficulty through many options. Each time you raise the difficulty per weapon, you can earn a bounty for beating a boss (earnable only once per weapon per boss per difficulty). The bounty will be, as wight said, blood, diamonds, and ambrosia

[forest marsh]

Or you can do a lot of grinding and trade with the broker. Or complete prophecies

[inner heath]

The broker also has a random trade per run, which can be less grindy too. Bounties are certainly the fastest way to earn blood, but that also requires the most skill, so it may take time until you're comfortable running them

[forest marsh]

The pact should be unlocked once you have cleared a run once

[inner heath]

Thanks wight, I couldn't remember when it unlocked

[forest marsh]

It's changed a bit over the course of the game

[cinder flower]

@forest marsh hestia rail doesn't affect the special shot does it

[forest marsh]

It used to unlock after you beat the Hydra, but the Hydra also used to be the end boss so...

No, it doesn't affect special

But it does make your attack do massive damage

Especially when upgraded

I think at max upgrade it does something like 150 base damage?