ideally ares attack
#h1-builds-and-combat
livid comet
merry oxide
ares attack, got it
livid comet
athena dash and special
you can also do ares special and athena attack and dash
¯_(ツ)_/¯
merry oxide
ok so epic curse of agony is the right choice right?
waxen imp
it is
livid comet
nice
@cunning urchin I shall try it out.
How does one consistently get the Poseidon boost to rewards boon
cunning urchin
I guess fill your core slots with other gods.
waxen imp
it's more likely to be found in the middle of a run and not at the beginning
livid comet
so then start off with other god keepsakes to fill out core slots and then switch to poseidon keepsake at asphodel?
cunning urchin
Perhaps. I don't do farm runs, so I can't say what's most efficient.
Chthonic Coin Purse or Cosmic Egg in Tartarus seems like a good choice, maybe.
livid comet
no
cunning urchin
Do not pick Slicing Shot.
livid comet
because you need to keep a core boon free for athena
merry oxide
urge to kill then or reroll
cunning urchin
Just pick Urge to Kill.
livid comet
take urge to kill
cunning urchin
Slicing Shot will pollute his boon pool with tier 2 bladerift boons.
cunning urchin
It's pretty good, but not very helpful in that build.
merry oxide
do I go for heart or charon? I have 317 coins
went for charon
ares/the speedy one I forgot the name of
do I just buy both?
faster attack or faster special?
merry oxide
no
merry oxide
empowering flight
pulverizing blow
dashing wallop
dashing wallop I guess?
@cunning urchin
neon bramble
Which shield aspect?
merry oxide
chaos
cunning urchin
What's Empowering Flight? That one is new.
Haven't used Aegis in the beta or since.
merry oxide
after your special hits, your next 2 attacks deal +80% damage
cunning urchin
Well, that doesn't sound too bad since your special will hit all the time.
merry oxide
yes but dashing wallop is lager radius for dash strike and damage up
cunning urchin
Pick either one, and see how you like it.
merry oxide
I have a prophecy for flight so guess I'll go for that
neon bramble
They are both good for different reasons.
If you are good at constantly bullrushing then throwing special, empowering flight boosts your bullrush damage
merry oxide
alright now I go athena keepsake?
neon bramble
Dashing wallop is reliable and fits with everything though.
It has a huge radius, and you can't miss
cunning urchin
Yep.
merry oxide
greater haste or greatest reflex?
neon bramble
Reflex
merry oxide
haste is epic reflex is rare
cunning urchin
I'd pick common Greatest Reflex over Heroic Greater Haste lol.
merry oxide
cunning urchin
3rd option, I suppose, since you didn't pick Dashing Wallop.
Attack damage will buff any attack including dash-strikes.
So since you'll be bull-rushing a lot, probably.
cunning urchin
Yeah, then you don't need to ask. 
neon bramble
Bullrush counts as attack
merry oxide
divine flourish right?
merry oxide
like?
cunning urchin
They're going for a Merciful End build.
merry oxide
hmm, I was told before since I went doom attack I should do athena flourish
merry oxide
what do I get from eurydice?
merry oxide
btw I'm using god mode right now because I wanted to try it out https://i.imgur.com/QPYZ7QG.jpg
cunning urchin
Hmm get the +1 on 4 boons. Should be Pom Porridge, I think.
That will hit your Attack and Special boons for sure.
cunning urchin
Nooo. You should buy all the Lord Ares and Lady Athena boons you find.
Gotta get that Merciful End duo boon from them.
merry oxide
I see
merry oxide
and? I want to get better and this is a way to find out more about what upgrades are good, what to avoid, and what to choose over other things
it felt like I was doing something wrong until now so I decided to see if I actually am doing something wrong
cunning urchin
Take Chthonic Coin Purse in Elysium, so you get more cash to spend on boons from those two.
merry oxide
should I use all my rerolls to try and force it?
neon bramble
Are you using fated persuasion or fated authority? (Green or purple skill)
merry oxide
green
neon bramble
Be careful. Each roll beyond the 1st costs an extra key
1st is 1
2nd is 2
3rd is 3
Etc
So if you roll twice, you use 3 keys
neon bramble
Correct
On one boon
Or three rolls on three different boons
I suggest rerolling only once per boon you find
merry oxide
yeah bois
neon bramble
If you get another ares boon offered, try to roll for Impending doom if you don't already have it.
It increases doom damage, and gives you extra time to trigger Merciful end
merry oxide
I see, will go for that
small stirrup
You should be set at this point
cunning urchin
Acorn for Elysium then if you already have Merciful End now.
See if you can pick up Dionysus' Aid anywhere to spam that for a ton of extra AOE damage.
Or any call at all. Ideally that one, though.
verbal ibex
protip, dont go Hera Bow with Electric shot..
you'll spend your entire run chasing after your shards that bounce around all over the map
cunning urchin
Wait, you get paid for playing Hades? I don't get paid. 
That wouldn't be a problem with Stygian Soul.
merry oxide
should I buy anvil?
neon bramble
No
cunning urchin
Nah.
turbid needle
I'm terrible with beowulf phew
cunning urchin
I'd only buy it if I think the hammers I got suck.
merry oxide
my hammers are flight and explosive return
cunning urchin
Good enough.
waxen imp
you should buy anvil if you don't have a god tier hammer or if you couldn't potentially get something that could suck
turbid needle
does any duo cast work with beo or is it just nope
cunning urchin
If something that doesn't work with it, you should probably report it with F10.
turbid needle
ooh okay
cunning urchin
I haven't used the aspect yet, but something not working sure sounds not intentional to me!
dusky hull
small stirrup
@naive tusk When we getting new boon trees?
cunning urchin
Have you planted any seeds?
small stirrup
Lol no
merry oxide
what is the easiest heat for lucifer and how should I build it other than "zeus attack"
cunning urchin
Easiest heat is 0.
small stirrup
I've heard posiedon on Lucy is interesting
merry oxide
I meant what is the easiest thing I can do for heat
small stirrup
Water canon is what we call it
cunning urchin
Lighting Strike + Support Fire works on every rail.
merry oxide
currently jsut need 1 heat
small stirrup
Literally anything
Don't think to hard about it
I'd say start pumping Extreme Measures
cunning urchin
TD1 is the easiest for me.
merry oxide
yes
cunning urchin
TD2 and nothing else is essentially free heat for me.
merry oxide
eh, I'll pass on TD for now
small stirrup
TD just makes me stressful
cunning urchin
Well.
small stirrup
But working with complicated heats at the start helps me get used to them
So I always run with EM3, BP2, TD2
cunning urchin
I can understand that. Early on I had trouble hitting TD1 at all.
random hull
Damage Control isn’t much of an issue for Rail as long as you don’t bring Hestia.
small stirrup
Damage control isn't a problem unless you run BP2 and get saviour on one of them
THEN it's a problem
red hound
oh no what was supposed to be an easy run messed up bad
when hades spawned the stupid archer guys
small stirrup
Oh no what happend
cunning urchin
DC can make some builds a lot harder in general.
Most cast builds don't like DC.
Anything that hits slow and heavy, basically.
cunning urchin
With Malphon you barely notice a difference lol.
hushed ledge
random hull
Hmm indeed
proper jolt
How does everyone feel about the new spread fire on the rail?
cunning urchin
These aren't the bloodstones you're looking for.
hushed ledge
i basically had one stuck in there
red hound
oh yea u know there was a time when people had like 10 bloodstones in hades
how do u do that
i left before i found out how
did they just rack up 10
cunning urchin
Fully Loaded, Chaos Boons, extra ammo from Wells of Charon.
obtuse lagoon
Hi! I have a question regarding the % chance of critical hit.
I did a run yesterday with the Nemesis sword with several boons giving extra % for critical hit on attack. Adding all the % of critical hit gave me roughly 80% of critical hit on the third hit of the sword, but do the percentages of critical hit stack, so let's say I had that 80% of critical hit? or each boon has its own algorythm and it's only individual calculations?
raw rivet
Does the Aspect of Beowulf block? Is there some technique I'm missing?
small stirrup
I remember it used to block behind you but they fixed that didn't they?
raw rivet
I think it just doesn't block at all, although there's at least one boon that buffs your block that you can get with it. I wasn't sure if my technique was off.
small stirrup
The main gimmick of the shield is that it blocks damage
So it'd be weird if it didn't
raw rivet
I mean, yeah... I'm trying to crack heat 16 with it and can't do it
I tried blocking from all angles and couldn't get any result but me taking damage.
small stirrup
Yeah I remember it was blocking damage from the back but it got fixed overnight
raw rivet
I'll give it another whirl this evening. Thanks for the input!
hushed ledge
beo doeos block
or at least it does for me
maybe its broken on steam idk
because it blocked perfectly for me
pearl plank
I thought it was that it doesn’t block while your charging up but it does block during the dragon rush. zag even has a different animation for charging it up where he doesn’t hold it out in front of him
flat brook
trying to dodge away, hitting a wall and getting ricocheted straight into asterius' spin, taking 64 damage and losing a run
nice
marsh harbor
what is that mechanic?
i haven't had it happen to me yet i don't think
is it just when you dash into a wall?
dire bough
how have people been building aspect of talon, more of a special based build?
small stirrup
talon?
I assume you mean talos?
I like posiedon special cause then it just goes like pull push pull push
Its super fun
red hound
anyone has a decent build for the new shield aspect?
clear dome
artie, artie on evrything
dire bough
are the new aspects viable at level 1 or better to level up before using
red hound
its been a while since artie spam worked tho haha
clear dome
lvl 1 is enough
small stirrup
are the new aspects viable at level 1 or better to level up before using
I mean Guan Yu is good on any level
It is the best spear
small stirrup
Rama is still painful dude
clear dome
use special a lot
small stirrup
I do but the attack is just so heavy
clear dome
i build artie cast and everything artie, but no fully loaded, sad
velvet thicket
i have decided lucy is bottom tier bc it is bad at breaking pots
random hull
Now I wonder if there is a secret run title for breaking all pots.
"God of (Taking out the) Trash"
Because if there isn't, it has to be invented.
clear dome
just throw the hellfire at the pots lol
velvet thicket
slow. suboptimal. the weapon will never be viable
random hull
haha beam go brrr
fast fern
artie dash should break pots
clear dome
it shouldn't
fast fern
why not, it could easily have an aura effect that only breaks pots
velvet thicket
but why
fast fern
it already has a visual effect, just make it break pots in a small area
lament coral
Arty dash does no damage, why would it break pots?
default dash does no damage either, and it can't break anything
inner patrol
Speaking of Guan Yu, has anybody thought of using Demeter's boon that increases healing effects to make the spin worth the risk?
mighty ermine
GY's spin only heals for 1 hp per enemy hit, and nourished soul never gets even close to +100% healing to make that become 2 hp per enemy hit
rare veldt
@inner patrol in my experience, Nourished Soul Demy boon won't do a thing. Even at Heroic, it only adds like 35% to healing effects. And the spin only restores 1 hp per hit, which would increase to 1.35 hp.
inner patrol
Ah well, it was a thought I had while playing with the ol' yeet stick, so I thought I'd ask
rare veldt
For me, GY Spear is really fun but a hammer spin upgrade is almost required by the time you hit Elysium. Throughout Tartarus and Asphodel I usually prioritize Centaur Hearts and Hammers if I can.
inner patrol
Eternal chamber, since Zeus isn't affected by the ramping damage
And honestly GY aspect is best used for its special since it basically acts like the exploding hammer upgrade
merry oxide
do attack bonuses affect zeus attack?
inner patrol
No, Zeus, Dionysus, and Ares aren't affected by attack buffs
mighty ermine
you will still get the benefit of the attack bonus as you attack, it's just that hangover, doom, chain lightning and such aren't "attacks"
merry oxide
hmm, what boons am I looking for with chain lightning lucifer
inner patrol
Honestly? If you've already got Zeus attack just get ones that buffs it. The only thing I'd get is a Demeter boon so you can get Cold Fusion
merry oxide
alright, but now for example I have a choice of poseidon or athena
untold quiver
The unlimited ammo hammer, Zeus attack, jolted, attack speed increase maybe support fire
inner patrol
Athena, just for the chance of getting her dash
merry oxide
already have the ammo one
untold quiver
Athena.....Athena dash is good in almost every build
Expect the builds that specifically want a different dash
merry oxide
athena dash lets gooo
inner patrol
Poseidon is good for the cast, but out of the two I'd pick Athena for either the dash or call
merry oxide
I don't use cast
inner patrol
Zeus/Poseidon/Demeter synergize really well because all of their duo boons are powerful together
clear dome
posi-demeter boon?
inner patrol
It turns Poseidon's cast into a slow moving, piercing projectile. Really fun to use when you can get it & Sea Storm
random hull
There are a few boons that influence non-attack non-special damage, namely those that influence any damge (examples: Ravenous Will, Billowing Strength, Bad Influence). Same goes for certain keepsakes (Pierced Butterfly, Skull Earring, Distant Memory). So even Zeus lightning, Doom or Hangover will get buffed then.
marsh pawn
beowulf is the new worst aspect?
inner patrol
Rama IMO. Beowulf just takes some getting used to, but Rama just takes so long to get everything set up that the shared suffering goes down before you can get a decent hit in. Charged Shot really helps for Beowulf
marsh pawn
Ive played rama once and did a pretty quick run spamming the special
on the other hand, beowulf is slow and have no defense
inner patrol
That's about the only way I can think of to get it to work well, but that's not how you're "supposed" to use it
merry oxide
do I fight ||charon||?
mighty ermine
depends!
inner patrol
You're "supposed" to hit several targets with the special then use your attack to hit several enemies to stack up the shared suffering damage, but even with Jury Summons it's a pain to set it up
merry oxide
inner patrol
You feel comfortable with being nimble given your current build? If yes, then go for it
mighty ermine
yeah, zeus lucy with divine dash should be pretty safe
clear dome
you dont set up for rama, you get artie dash or chaos lunge and it is viable
mighty ermine
especially with that pressure points i see
inner patrol
I'm still salty that crits don't apply to shared suffering
clear dome
they dont?
merry oxide
well that was surprisingly easy
inner patrol
Haven't tried it since the release, maybe they patched it, but when I tried it, it didn't
mighty ermine
yeah, one of the few things that doesn't benefit from it
inner patrol
Which is weird because you'd think that'd be the first way you're expected to use it
Just peg a few enemies then attack for chunky damage
gloomy bone
Hoarding slash is... oh boy
merry oxide
SUPPORT FIRE ZEUS ATTACK LUCI IS SO DUMB
mighty ermine
it truly is
haughty stone
No idea what you mean, it's just a constant barrage of bullets from which there is no escape
its fine
haughty stone
👌
merry oxide
doom deflect chaos shield
clear dome
doom bow or doom gun with both doom upgrades
inner patrol
Stacking Doom infinite chamber Lucy aspect
inner patrol
Impending doom helps it a bit because you get more time to stack up
You're thinking Aphro/Dio
clear dome
dire misfortune
red hound
i really havnt played around with ares in general that much
always thought he was a meh god
inner patrol
With their duo boon you can stack more hangover on weakened enemies
He's a bit all over the place, that much is true
inner patrol
Honestly if he got a legendary that functions similarly to Dionysus' instead of Vicious Cycle (as much as I love it) it'd make sense and be more cohesive
red hound
even when i got hunting blades with vicious cycle
oh no
it feels pretty bad in comparison to the other broken duos/legendaries
inner patrol
Frozen Vortex is fun with Hera IMO. There again I like Hera Blades anyway
clear dome
looks at Second Wave
inner patrol
Understandable
red hound
when u go heavy single target with chiron
clear dome
who doesnt
red hound
poseidon cast usually solves most of your aoe problems
clear dome
also chiron doom build is quite sweet
inner patrol
Oh yeah, weak attack & doom special with their duo boon and Impending Doom is GREAT
inner patrol
Only on Beo unless you're referring to Cold Embrace
inner patrol
Thankfully they reverted the change so you can have Beoblades again
inner patrol
I'm biased to the blades
clear dome
always use artemis, no other gods is viable
inner patrol
Wait they still have a duo with Beo? Figured it'd be like Lightning Rod if you have Stygian Soul
red hound
i didnt check but
i think it explodes extra time
so when u load everything in
everyone in the radius dies
inner patrol
Which is to say you don't get to pick up Lightning Rod if you have Stygian Soul
Isn't that a Demeter boon already?
The one that makes you explode chill whenever you cast?
red hound
no its the duo that fires a secondary one
clear dome
its posi not demi
inner patrol
Unless you're thinking of Double Cast which has been changed into a duo between Poseidon and Artemis
inner patrol
Yeah now it's called Mirage Shot. Still works the same way, though
red hound
i got some insane chill stack with that + 10 stack explode
clear dome
bruh
inner patrol
The new boon for Demeter's normal cast is great for stacking chill
Mix that with Lucy aspect & roleplay Mr Freeze
inner patrol
Oh dude that combo basically undoes the Arctic Blast nerf
inner patrol
I pretty much only use Hellfire to break pots
red hound
i still think
guan yu and arthur are stronger than the 3 new ones tho
luci might probably be stronger
but thats when i figure it out
clear dome
rama is stronger imo
inner patrol
If it had a mechanic similar to the Eris aspect where your attack gained power if you were close to it I might use it more often, but as it stands now even with Greater Inferno Hellfire just isn't worth it in its current state
clear dome
i dislike arthur bc its slow and chonky and i like rama bc its slow and chonky, is that weird
red hound
havnt tried rama but
gloomy vine
I only just unlocked lucy, it seems strong but it is completely counteracted by how awkward and unwieldy it is imo
red hound
initial thoughts are that it doesnt do well in bosses
but i realised only hades and furies are solo bosses
clear dome
furies have summons
red hound
u can technically link elysium bosses together as well
gloomy vine
Is final boss no longer a spoiler?
red hound
i mean
clear dome
the mark effect increase single target damage as well
gray tapir
Hey fellas, I've invested at least 5 blood (in fact mastered at least one aspect from every weapon) and buttered up all the gods with nectar/ambrosia, but none of them have spoken to me about the new aspects
red hound
it came out like 7+ months ago
inner patrol
Now see, I'm the exact opposite with Arthur and Rama. I like Arthur because it's a direct type of slow, and dislike Rama because it takes too long to set up its unique mechanic
gray tapir
Already completed two runs, nothing
clear dome
with the bow im used to the slowness, but with the sword the chonk slowness just make it feel unweildy
red hound
u have to meet 3 specific gods i think
inner patrol
Yeah, one for each aspect
gray tapir
yeah, I've met chaos zeus poseidon athena several times
inner patrol
Don't need Poseidon or Athena for any of them
clear dome
ya know gods only speak the first time you get their boon right?
gray tapir
so run out, meet god, suicide?
clear dome
jesus no, play the game, its fun, you'll get it one day
gray tapir
I've played the game since like patch 2
clear dome
i played since before long winter...
red hound
before long winter was hades right
clear dome
ye i think
gray tapir
anyway I'mma suicide a bunch then, see if that works
red hound
u remember when
gray tapir
won't work for chaos though
red hound
pact of punishment was beside the mirror
when the quests are now located at
anyways arthur and rama
all u need for arthur is the huge aura
then u literally cannot die
random hull
*figuratively
red hound
think the only issue with the build is that your quite time starved compared to others
clear dome
arthur is the defensive chonk, rama is the offensive chonk, beowulf is the piece of poop
gray tapir
got the rama bow now, seems funky
can you no longer do perfect landings
or have I just gotten rusty
random hull
Perfect Shots have a different timing on Rama.
rocky sage
what relics should i take with arthur?
gray tapir
got the gun now, guess I'll get the last one whenever
thick raptor
I found dio special on Rama to be absolute win, though can see Zeus being rather sweet
lament coral
Ares and Demeter are cool, too
untold quiver
Let's be honest Demeter is pretty much always a good choice
tired elk
@waxen imp I don't like it tbh
I don't like the new shield lol
Well once I have it fully leveled I'll probably like it lol
shut barn
Hiya. Anyone else experiencing issues when trying to target the 'special bombs' from the rail's legendary? im using a controller and man, the auto-targeting heavily prefers the monsters over the sphere bombs.
native ether
im pretty sure the auto targeting is configured to prioritize enemies first over bombs, I'm not sure if that can be changed
However, you can trigger the bombs with any other thing that does damage (so your dash for example) and enemies who hit them set them off as well
and having more than 3 bombs on the screen from what I can tell causes the first bomb you placed to immediately detonate
stiff jacinth
Could someone give me some general advice for the bow?
It's the one weapon I just can't go all the way with.
thick raptor
Which aspect? Or just in general?
stiff jacinth
In general.
None of the first three aspects seem all that appealing to me, and I haven't unlocked the last one yet
I suspect I need to Git Gud
manic arrow
Given the Guan Yu nerfs, is it still the strongest spear aspect?
mighty ermine
yes
thick raptor
Baseline Zag bow is my least favorite, but even with it, slapping some DoT like Dio or Ares (though Dem or Pos are not bad either) onto the special lets you smack a group with something that will make them easier to deal with later, and then keep distance and do some strong hits with the attack charge up.
I like the Chiron a fair bit (though much more efficient when upgraded), as a quick hit on it lets you just pile on a stacking status effect onto someone (the targeting lasts for ~3 special shots).
mighty ermine
@stiff jacinth i'd recommend practicing and getting used to dash-strike power shots. this is one of the most important things you'll learn how to do with general bow use. if this gives you any trouble, chiron would probably be your best bet, since it's very set-up heavy and allows you to potentially just spam special on marked targets
leaden hare
If you have reached the surface with other weapons, chiron w/ ||Demeter||special is safer
thick raptor
I've basically never used the dash-attack on bows, what's the big benefit?
mighty ermine
they come out faster than normal power shots and roll mobility into it at once
leaden hare
as for attack, I like using upgrades such as triple shot and another that makes attack bounce
mighty ermine
you reposition and do damage at the same time, constantly
thick raptor
I'll have to play with that more, I've tended toward mostly making heavy use of special attack on bows
stiff jacinth
Same as @thick raptor here
leaden hare
the combination of triple shot and bouncing shot + a status effect can quickly attach to a lot of enemies, such as hangover or weak
stiff jacinth
I think I have literally never dash attacked with the bow
mighty ermine
it's definitely worth getting used to, and opens up your bow play a lot
stiff jacinth
I'm used to thinking of it in terms of like
needing to stop and aim
even though the game aims for me
mighty ermine
right
stiff jacinth
but that's how I think of bows working
mighty ermine
with dash-strikes, you're less "stuck" and you basically just aim with the shot you're charging after the dash, rinse repeat
stiff jacinth
Wait, how do I power shot, though?
mighty ermine
power shot is timing-based
if you release the attack at the right time, you'll do more damage
there's a visual and audio cue for it
mighty ermine
same principle
stiff jacinth
You have to stop to charge it
leaden hare
I never figured out how dash-strike work for bow... does it come out as an arrow that cannot be charged, or the attack that comes right after dash counts as dash-strike?
mighty ermine
attack right after dashing, and that whole charge counts as a dash-strike
the main way you can tell that it's counting as a dash-strike is that it will charge noticeably faster
stiff jacinth
fast fern
dash-strike is the only way to use the bow, it charges too slow otherwise
leaden hare
because sometimes when pressing attack right after dash, an uncharged arrow will shoot out right after
stiff jacinth
honestly
mighty ermine
you get to a point where you basically never do standing shots
stiff jacinth
I kind of want to just reach the surface with the bow
fulfill the prophecy
and then never touch it again
mighty ermine
then chiron would probably be your best bet
fast fern
aphro attack, artie dash-strike
leaden hare
I thought that as well
mighty ermine
it's very simple and requires minimal aiming or power shotting
leaden hare
There's one time where I thought "right, I'll just get it over with the spear and leave it alone"
and now I'm like "hehe GY aspect goes prrr"
tired elk
Is the infernal trove rewards upgraded?
stiff jacinth
I'm told that I should stop trying to climb with GY until I have enough blood to upgrade it.
mighty ermine
GY is definitely a bit harsh at base level, yeah
tired elk
Why is GY so good?
I get the healing is nice but...
wouldn't you rather just kill everything quickly?
mighty ermine
good base damage on all attacks
fast fern
GY is great once you know all the fight mechanics
mighty ermine
better special than other spears
and yeah kilani, you're basically right
if you play GY well enough, healing isn't something you do too much
tired elk
I didn't know that GY did more damage?
that's sweet
and does it heal for that much?
I've played it and it doesn't seem like it's worth it
how long you have to charge it for I mean
mighty ermine
it's only 1 hp per enemy hit with the spin
fast fern
the GY special is why it's used
stiff jacinth
So there's something I've always wondered
fast fern
not for the healing really
mighty ermine
it's only notable for groups of enemies
stiff jacinth
Trinkets aside, is there any rhyme or reason to which Olympians show up at any given time?
mighty ermine
the spin can hit multiple times on the same enemy, though
stiff jacinth
or is it completely random?
fast fern
random until you take boons from 4 different gods, then it will only spawn those gods
primal plank
alright guys, hear me out
rama
but with explosive arrows
poseidon boon attack
no hermes boons
fast fern
it's really annoying when you get to Styx with 3 gods and the game gives you 2 other unrelated gods
Hermes does not count as one of the four
mighty ermine
right, he acts similarly to daedalus hammers in that they count seperately
fast fern
hermes does count for Family Favorite's though, right?
mighty ermine
he doesn't
stiff jacinth
I was going to ask about Hermes
mighty ermine
and chaos doesn't count either, though that one readily makes more sense
fast fern
okay, I've never really paid attention to it, although before the patch you couldn't really tell if it was doing anything
mighty ermine
this might have changed actually, though. i'm speaking from nighty night
fast fern
it's a good addition to have the % bonus in the mirror bar
mighty ermine
oh definitely
also i think i may have been incorrect about hermes
he does count, i believe?
it's at least easy to test with the tracking bonus you mentioned
stiff jacinth
Sorry, did y'all say that Hermes does or doesn't count as one of your four olympians for the run?
mighty ermine
oh, he doesn't count towards the run "pool" of olympians, he's separate like hammers
but i think he does count towards the mirror Family Favorite bonus
stiff jacinth
Right
thanks~
Is Flurry Shot any good with Aspect of Chiron?
I've got Poseidon blessing my attack if that makes a difference
mighty ermine
if you don't plan on using power shots almost at all, which i think is what you're doing, it'd be good just for tagging for the special, yeah. though special-centric hammers would be preferable
stiff jacinth
I've been TRYING to do that
naive tusk
@naive tusk When we getting new boon trees?
@small stirrup Once the update is stable, I will begin updating my diagrams.
stiff jacinth
my choices right now are Triple Shot, Explosive Shot, or Flurry Shot
@naive tusk You made the Boon tree diagrams?
lusty breach
Does Dodge Chance stack additively? Also, is there a cap to it?
mighty ermine
dodge stacks multiplicatively and has a hard cap of around 80% iirc
stiff jacinth
Triple Shot seems like a nonbo with Chiron
so it's down to Explosive or Flurry, I guess
mighty ermine
yeah, i think flurry would be your best bet here
explosive would just make things difficult for how you're using chiron here
stiff jacinth
Do y'all have a particular vernacular for saying you have certain boons?
naive tusk
@naive tusk You made the Boon tree diagrams?
@stiff jacinth yes, I did.
stiff jacinth
THANK YOU! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
naive tusk
I’m also updating my duo boon charts 👍
stiff jacinth
You the real MVP
fast fern
@naive tusk will these updates be on the wiki?
naive tusk
@naive tusk will these updates be on the wiki?
@fast fern I will ask a good community member to do that in my instead as I don’t edit the wiki myself.
fast fern
you are awesome for doing this
naive tusk
Thank you! That lifts my spirits 
fast fern
I do not have the boon trees or the duo prereqs memorized, so I check the charts almost every run
stiff jacinth
But yeah, as I said, do you all have a particular way of saying things?
Like, what would be the concise way to inform you all that I've taken a Poseidon boon for my attack?
gloomy bone
I chose Triple Beam and feel like I made a huge mistake.
stiff jacinth
Yes!!!
gloomy bone
In combat, it seems to do nothing, unless an enemy literally walks right into my attack
stiff jacinth
Bow escape achieved!!
fast fern
nice
stiff jacinth
...I'm gonna miss ||the increasingly ridiculous deaths of Zagreus|| when the full version comes out.
idle mantle
what do you mean by ||he increasingly ridiculous deaths of Zagres||
lament coral
the death messages
dry ember
Yeah those deaths are bananas man
mystic vale
Only if there's a peel actually involved.
neon bramble
Attempting my first 40 heat run on fists today.
So far so good.
Made it to Elysium and have stubborn Roots on my first try.
Athena dash, Demeter strike
lament coral
btw, interesting tidbit
https://i.imgur.com/6XPboF9.png
lament coral
if you have only 1 hammer by the time you get to Styx and you get an anvil there, you can pick your 3rd hammer
which, in turn, makes me wonder if it's possible to get an anvil in a room, before Styx
stiff jacinth
||He stepped on a rake this time!!||
neon bramble
Avoided power couple on MM.. hopefully I can avoid Asterius miniboss as well
stiff jacinth
Ah
neon bramble
Sometimes, just sometimes I "think" you can skip past miniboss rooms if there's an Erebus gate in the room before it, but you'd be silly not to take minibosses, you have the highest chance to get the most powerful boons on those rooms
It's where you usually pull Duos and legendaries, aside from Charons shop
stiff jacinth
Ahh
Good to know
Similar question
Is getting the opportunity to ||"borrow" from Charon|| RNG too?
neon bramble
Yea
You can't do it in the shop before main boss
Only in shops mid biome
Even then, it's random
lament coral
I think you need to buy out everything to make it available
torpid orbit
Can i complain there for a bit?
lament coral
really? Because I bought every item in the first Tartarus shop, and the bag was there in the first Asphodel shop
lament coral
hm, that was fortunate then
torpid orbit
I just really hope that something will be done with T&A upgraded fight, because IM SO DONE
like 4 runs already i get hit by ||rocket bouncing off the wall without any freaking clue where its gonna drop and it deals like 80 damage||
i haven't seen it happen that much on previous patch for some reason
lament coral
no no, it happened
torpid orbit
but i remember fighting them before just alright
but this patch its just happens every freaking fight with them
torpid orbit
No
Because im getting hit outside the zone, or just too fast somehow
im gonna check it next fight where i probably wont randomly die again
leaden hare
Any tips for the mini boss stage consists of ||a lot of spliter witches||? I begin to lost DD in Asphodel because of them
It's impossible to dodge their attacks, and they spawn in different places which makes them harder to take out
mighty ermine
definitely focus them down one at a time, for starters
so you have less projectiles to deal with, faster
if you have aoe capabilities and they're grouped though, go to town
turbid needle
They actually fixed the targeting problem, now wherever you see targets they'll actually land there.
Used to be that when bombs deflected off architecture the reticle disappeared but the bombs did not.
leaden hare
I didn't want to face tank them because they seem to have a lot of health
mighty ermine
oh, no, yeah, by focus them down i don't mean super recklessly
but trying your best to cut their numbers deliberately goes a long way towards making it feel more manageable
instead of just taking shots at a random one when you can etc.
torpid orbit
i think you should try to focus the one that most far from others
leaden hare
: \ ah, yes, me and the nightmarish gigantic gorgonehead flashback
neon bramble
Boooooo.... Lost to Theseus.... Had him down to almost nothing, and he caught me right after Athena Aid ended... ☹️
I had 5s left on TD2 with 25hp left, I was trying to rush it
At least I know 40 heat is doable for me
mighty ermine
honestly, elysium is arguably the biggest hurdle at 40+, so well done for almost clearing it!
neon bramble
I knew if I cleared Elysium, I had it.
Was a good build
Chaos +70% attack
Demeter epic attack
Divine dash
Deadly flourish
Stubborn Roots
And long knuckle
modest urchin
how much does TD2 tick you for after you run out of time? is it the same as TD1?
neon bramble
5hp per 1s
modest urchin
dang
neon bramble
And I had stubborn Roots, so I would have had about an additional 6s
I should have just ignored the clock and paid attention to when my call ended
I literally needed only 1 or 2 more landed hits on Theseus
mighty ermine
i've been there lol
modest urchin
i always choke when my TD timer gets low lol
mystic vale
That's okay. I choke every time I try playing. :p
neon bramble
Omg... I got offered Merciful end in Tartarus, and I got crossed off by AP1
Are you kidding me...
mystic vale
AP FTW right?
neon bramble
I dislike AP, but there's worse things on the pact
true badge
Anybody have any general advice for dodging? I'm 100 hours in and can't seem to nail I-frame windwos. I'm constantly getting hit by attacks I'm sure I dodged.
stuck elbow
a lot of it comes down to the timing of individual moves
civic barn
ruthless reflex or greater reflex?
stuck elbow
my best advice would be a run to just learn the boss's move set
as in how their animations actually stack up against their real hit and hurtboxes
true badge
I feel like I take a lot of damage in random rooms, especially in Elysium. I usually use greater reflex, Skal
civic barn
there's a lot of attacks in this game where the invincibility frames don't last long enough for you to dodge the whole attack, especially if you consider the duration or direction of various hitboxes, my recommendation would be to figure out which attacks you want to dodge into, or dodge away from
true badge
I see. So direction is strongly a factor in addition to timing.
civic barn
for example, I dodge into exalted swordsmen ground slashes because i can time that well, but i haven't been able to figure out the timing for bowmen, so i circle around them
civic barn
away's not always the safer choice, of course; if you have gotten to the final boss, ||his spin attack is actually easier to dodge a lot of the time if you dodge straight at him|| (don't click on the spoiler if you haven't gotten to that stage yet)
and yeah, you can always go the way of dodge chance with boons and aids
they definitely do help enough to be something you should consider
native holly
@naive tusk would it be ok if I use your fantastic boon charts in some videos? I'm working on strategy guides for players new to this community and your amazing work would be incredibly helpful! You would be fully credited of course 😊
true badge
No worries, I've finished the game (What we have so far, at least 😛 ). I'll start trying to pay more attention to directions of hits I take then. Thank you. I know "how I dodge gud" is a vague question XD
naive tusk
@naive tusk would it be ok if I use your fantastic boon charts in some videos? I'm working on strategy guides for players new to this community and your amazing work would be incredibly helpful! You would be fully credited of course 😊
@native holly Of course! I'm happy you are trying to help new players
true badge
It's just that taking hits I thought I dodged is the #1 frustration factor for me.
civic barn
it's a big element of the game especially at higher heats, so i'm sure there's other good opinions you'll find at other times when those players are on; don't worry about asking about it
fast fern
hades beam needs to stop shooting through the pillars, it's pretty lame when it does that
civic barn
they should have fixed the hitboxes quite well at this point
are you sure it's not because of how it's a gradual movement that makes it seem like you'd get hit? I think the graphic for the beam can do that
mystic vale
Alright, JS 1, FO 1, new bow aspect (with just 3 bloods.) I should get slaughtered pretty quickly.
civic barn
I still definitely freak out sometimes expecting it'd hit Zagreus, move, and actually got hit because of it
mystic vale
Hm. Curse of Pain right off. This should be cute.
...yeah, it is actually. The aspect makes all the targets share the Doom damage.
I think this is my new favourite Coronacht.
wintry plume
is it normal that here people seem to have beaten the final boss on their 30-40 run while i beated him the 75 time and i still can't clear 99/100 of the runs? Am i slow or something else? Also this update made the game much more difficult in my opinion, i take so much damage and deal not much
torpid orbit
okay, im now absolutely sure about teseus bombs reflections
basically, they work same as rails, if they hit physical object they reflect back and change their explosion place, leaving you with 0 time to react if you are unlucky to stay in the zone where it reflects
gloomy bone
Flurry Slash + Cursed Slash + Swift Strike + Frost Strike seemed to do really well against || Charon||.
Frost Strike only made the fight faster.
lament coral
so with Lucy out, is there any reason what so ever to use Zag or Eris?
civic barn
i still run eris
lament coral
cause Lucy straight up does more damage
civic barn
looked at how some are playing lucifer and i realize I can't do that with keyboard and mouse
lament coral
you mean ball busting?
civic barn
i can't actually strafe dodge while keeping the aim on an enemy
because i can't do that radial motion
gloomy bone
I feel less mobile while using it.
lament coral
Does auto aim cause you to change targets?
civic barn
and yes, you want to be beaming all the time, so I can see that being less mobile if you want to dodge a lot more
lament coral
you can shoot Lucy while dashing
civic barn
oh no i don't use auto aim
lament coral
yep
civic barn
i guess i could try it with it on 🤔
gloomy bone
Well, time to go look around more in the settings
lament coral
it's in Controls
civic barn
it's in c...nevermind zepp got you
sly swift
So I've been trying a "float like a bee" build and
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378408358660538369/725820237009649755/unknown.png
It was kind of fun dodging 3 out 4 attacks by the time I reached Hades
stuck elbow
Mother of god
that Plume
only thing I would change personally is to use ruthless dash
lament coral
"I am become dodge, evader of shades" - RastaMV
sly swift
Yeah I kind of forgot to change the mirror perks and kept the one from previous runs, but I'd imagine ruthless reflex would help keep stacking the plume at higher heat
stuck elbow
I didn't even notice you were using Athena's Call
did you even take damage in the temple of Styx?
mystic vale
Chipping a nail count?
sly swift
I think the only health I lost in the temple was from not being able to dodge walking in poison like an idiot
mystic vale
I am really liking new Bow + Curse of Pain.
I can stay on the move pretty much constantly.
Also? Relentless Volley. :x
stuck elbow
yeah I didn't realize just how much more slow it was to charge the attack until I swapped back to vanilla Coronacht
been sticking to special builds since
mystic vale
Yeah, it involves a LOT less standing still than normal Coronacht.
Also, the special does my "favourite thing in Hades" - hits stuff off-screen.
native holly
@naive tusk fantastic! I'm so excited to try and introduce people to this fantastic game and the supergiant community.
Can I DM a bit to organize how to share our work?
naive tusk
Sure!
crisp pewter
Hi guys, i have a question about Beowulf's aspect : how do you manage to play it ? I feel like the damage output is to low for its low attack speed. I did a run 15+ heat, and it felt like if you don't have Chaos's attack upgrade, it's trash.
turbid needle
You're not using Bull Rush like you do for other Aspects, you want to load your Casts first and use those to nuke entire groups.
It functions a little like Hera in that respect.
lament coral
yeah, it's basically Hera in a shield form
crisp pewter
You're not using Bull Rush like you do for other Aspects, you want to load your Casts first and use those to nuke entire groups.
@turbid needle I know that. Maybe Aphrodite isn't a good choice for Beowulf's but with attack/launch it just did not the work well. Though, the bull rush is really slow to use if we don't have the hammerupgrade
lament coral
a better Hera in a worse form
and you don't have the block while charging, and you take extra damage
it's kinda sorta not very good
lament coral
I've also done some more runs with Rama and changed my opinion about it: it's too bloody slow
crisp pewter
I kinda like Zeus's
lament coral
the only decent run I had it with it had Twin Shot and Explosive Arrow
crisp pewter
But maybe i'm still to low heat to have a proper judgement
modest urchin
slow is not fun :c
crisp pewter
Slow is to punitive
lament coral
I really like Rama's special, it's just so fast
and it shoots in a straight-ish line
stuck elbow
yeah, like special builds on Rama is really all I do
crisp pewter
It's pretty fun i agree
stuck elbow
because I can't make that attack work to save my life
modest urchin
rama special when it gets the +4 arrow hammer buff 
lament coral
slap Ares/Zeus/Dio on it and it's a winner
Demeter isn't half bad either but just for the slow, the 10 stacks boom is not fast enough
crisp pewter
In two shots of arrow you got the 10 stacks, it's in its own way, fast
stuck elbow
tbh I need to use demeter more in general, only really draft for her boons when I do Poseidon/Demeter caster builds
lament coral
you shoot 3 arrows per volley, so it's 3.3 shots
modest urchin
i wish hermes attack speed boon works better with rama. i get a purple one but do not notice it at all
lament coral
that's just because of how slow the default charge speed is
when you get purple attack speed with Arthur, you really feel it
mystic vale
Yeah, Zep. The secret to Rama is special up. Relentless Volley, Curse of Pain, stuff like that.
Rapidly apply statuses at a very, very long distance.
And all the marked targets share Doom damage. Probably Jolt too I'd guess.
stuck elbow
Dionysus/Ares it is
mystic vale
I want to get it with Sea Storm.
stuck elbow
yeah, Zeus feels like its good on paper
sour solar
AAAA HOW DO I BEAT THESEUS AND HIS PET BULL
lament coral
but it's just so silly, innit? The weapon is based around mark and shoot but the mark is just better than the attack.
mystic vale
So keep marking. :p
modest urchin
i actually don't like rama special with sea storm it feels really weak
stuck elbow
and used a normal curse of pain special more
mystic vale
Only time I'm hitting attack is dash-attack.
mystic vale
Which is short range, but fast.
modest urchin
i think the base damage is too low on it to really benefit from sea storm vs just straight up stronger zeus
lament coral
Sea Storm might not be proccing on each hit
mystic vale
Probably isn't, then.
lament coral
it doesn't with the normal bow special either
stuck elbow
handing out free doom, wine and lightning
mystic vale
:redshade: is still not an emoji. My goodness, what are we doing with our time?
Drunk/Chill stacks should be good with Rama too.
Ahahah Curse of Longing. This should be hilarious (Passion Dash.)
thorn kettle
Is flurry shot locked out of the rama aspect?
stiff jacinth
Is there something that needs to happen before Rama, Beowulf, and Lucy can be unlocked or do I just have to keep talking to certain people until the stars align?
unkempt pagoda
there is a pinned message about the specifics in #h1-story-discussion
smoky oasis
I wish my father build me a blood swimming pool
stiff jacinth
I really wish they'd implement a way to respec titan blood.
Is Aspect of Chaos any good?
smoky oasis
It's the best
stiff jacinth
smoky oasis
I went from 0 heat to 30 with shields in a few days with it
lament coral
yah, Chaos does that
thorn kettle
lament coral
just blasts fools left n right
stiff jacinth
Good to know~
Shifting topics without a pulse
How often do y'all use Olympians' trinkets?
lament coral
all the time
stiff jacinth
Good to know
Something that happened to me a lot once I joined the Slay the Spire discord
lament coral
some aspects want specific boons from specific gods
stiff jacinth
was I learned that things I thought were good were... not
lament coral
and god trinkets allow you to force em
stiff jacinth
So I'm trying not to take anything for granted
I have more dumb questions, is that okay?
lament coral
ask whatever, man
stiff jacinth
Is there a Pact of Punishment tier list somewhere? Like, most to least punishing... punishments?
I've only just started to turn up the heat.
lament coral
don't think so
how far down the mirror are you?
there's a pact that disables a number of mirror talents at each level starting from the bottom, so if your mirror isn't maxed out you could use that modifier for free heat
lament coral
ah, pity
in that case, I'd start with Extreme Measures
it gives the best bang for buck
then Security, it teaches you to avoid traps and use Athena's trap boon
past that it's all about personal preferences
modest urchin
extreme measure scares me
lament coral
worth noting tho, you could use Guan Yu with 100% healing reduction, since GY's heal on charge attack still heals you
modest urchin
how bad is 400% lava damage
stiff jacinth
brilliant
modest urchin
it's sometimes just a hp gain to stand in lava without it i guess
lament coral
or get Athena's trap damage reduction boon
lament coral
it's also useful against Hades, because his vases are considered traps
and they deal 150 damage with Security modifier
modest urchin
damn that's nasty
lament coral
no, but you can be
modest urchin
he's saying athena trap reduction is good
lament coral
that's 150 damage to you
naive tusk
Actually, Final Boss can be hurt by his own green vases.
lament coral
say whaaaaat
naive tusk
And to clarify, Zeppy is trying to tell you that the green vases he summons count as trap damage so Sure Footing will reduce the damage you take from them.
lament coral
but he doesn't get stunned by em
dry ember
No but he gets damaged by them
naive tusk
He doesn't get stunned but still takes damage.
lament coral
so does he take 150 then, with Security?
dry ember
I think Tailesque had a run where he stacked traps damage from Chaos and Well.
naive tusk
I don't think so, unless that Heat option deals more damage to enemies such as Phalanx traps and explosive eggs dealing more damage to Exalted shades.
If they don't, then the vases won't either.
mighty ermine
i had i think 3 stygian shards and a +600% from chaos
and after all that, he only took 510 from the vases
naive tusk
That'd sum up to +1600% trap damage if I'm not mistaken.
hushed ledge
Huh I just realised I got a clear on my first runs with all 3 new weapons
And I think my l and beo runs were new heats records as well lol
Beo is really really good imo
naive tusk
You are good 
mighty ermine
oh my mistake, 2 shards and the chaos boon
modest urchin
beowulf might feel better if i turn off forced overtime
lament coral
Beo might feel better if they give it block
you already take 15% more damage, no block is just rubbing salt in the wound
modest urchin
the shield is so big we should have extra block lol
lament coral
a shield wall, you could say
actually, that should be a hammer instead of that puny 30% damage reduction on cast injection
"Your block prevents damage from all sides"
mighty ermine
i do feel like the 15% extra damage taken and no block is kind of unnecessary when the rest of the weapon isn't incredible enough in my view to justify those negatives
mighty ermine
oh, i haven't played it in a while so i assumed there was a weird change regarding this lmao
why has everyone been saying it doesn't block then?
hushed ledge
I have no idea
It's possible the fix is only on egs
Because I know for a fact it blocks
It also has some neat tech someone here pointed out
You can actually load bloodstones right at the end of bull rush and get the flares immediately
Although usually I can only get 2
I'd expect it to get fixed BC it's clearly unintentional lol
lament coral
it wasn't blocking when I tried it on release day
Zag even holds the shield in a weird way, sorta to the side
whereas all the other shields are held in front of Zag
mighty ermine
yeah that would have been a bizarre thing, good to know it's definitely supposed to have block
lament coral
aight, I'll use Beo once it gets the darkness n gem thing
stuck elbow
@mystic vale did a fully Special Rama build where I ended up with Ares, Dionysus and Aphrodite’s respective duo boons with each other
It feels like a completely different weapon to the attack builds
Like I might just run pure Zeus or sea storm on this over vanilla Varatha
unkempt pagoda
beat ||mr. boatman|| for the first time, and in tartarus too
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/725852808880062464/Hades_44.png||
unfortunately the fight kinda killed my run but
modest urchin
nice lol i haven't been brave enough to do it
modest urchin
the hardest part is it's so rare to get him and i can't really get any practice in since i skip if i don't at least have a semi function build alraedy at the point
naive tusk
Which one should I sell?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/725858334078533699/Hur.png
I have Underworld Customs so...
turbid needle
naive tusk
Schpoon, no.
carmine rivet
Huge Catch probably. The new Skeletal Lure is much more reliable for making fishing spots.
naive tusk
@turbid needle I got it again
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/725862482811551885/Hur.png
dry ember
Yay
stuck elbow
damn, that run really wants you to fish
naive tusk
I just want it for Chaos fishes but they aren't appearing
dry ember
Are you chaos fish hunting specifically?
stuck elbow
tbh we always find the things we need exactly when we aren't looking for em
dry ember
Sounds like love
stuck elbow
or in game drops
inner patrol
Same fox, I've only recently got the first one. Surprised that it gave me Titan Blood but I guess that's why they're so rare
naive tusk
I still want them...
fair pendant
Hey, does Lambent Plume even matter in Styx?
Does it stop functioning in most encounters? Need to know.
dry ember
Some says you only get stacks for the last room in each tunnel
fair pendant
Hm...
I'll keep it on me, then. I'm 90% sure you lose the buffs that come with it if you swap it out with something else.
vernal cliff
Does anybody know any good supporting boons for revenge builds?
inner patrol
It doesn't stop functioning, you get more speed & dodge for each room completed under the right time. Naturally it's best if (like the Pierced Butterfly) you start with it. You do only get Plume stacks on the last room, I've checked it myself
Unless the duo boon's changed you need Zeus & Ares to get the boon to let those effects just individu go off. Then it's just a matter of getting the other revenge effects
fair pendant
Thanks for the response.
lament coral
I managed to force a Chaos fish by buying a fish lure and a Chaos gate, and then taking a mini-boss room
cause that room doesn't have fishing spots
so, guaranteed Chaos fish
inner patrol
Sneak room can have a fishing spot
lament coral
oh, well, I was fortunate enough to get bombers
inner patrol
It's still your best bet because you've got a 1 in 3 chance of getting the Sneak
lament coral
Asphodel has fishing spots everywhere, and Elysium has em in the orb fight
stuck elbow
it has more rooms with fish though
lament coral
so Tartarus is the best option
stuck elbow
generic lethe ponds exist in normal Elysium rooms
verbal stump
man fighting the entire hades second phase at 3hp and dies when he's at 5% is a new level of tragedy