But why
#h1-builds-and-combat
neon bramble
dry ember
Divine Strike Lightning Flourish to bridge the gap?
cunning urchin
I feel like we should continue this in #h1-high-heat-strategies because we went from just general Malphon build to what's best at high heat lol.
neon bramble
So much more damage with other boons
mighty ermine
and dash-upper base damage is already good, so % scaling like aphro or artemis crits work better
dry ember
I'm still taking in general though
cunning urchin
Well, in general, just pick whatever you want with whatever boons you think are the most fun. 
Anything like 20 and below, Demeter will clear fastest while Zag + Divine Strike will be the safest.
neon bramble
I wonder if final fist aspect will be cast loaded specials
fast fern
I always like to learn what others think is strong because I have the most fun when I'm demolishing enemies with big numbers
mighty ermine
lol i hope not manthro
neon bramble
Same
mighty ermine
please no more cast loading weapons
dry ember
Ok, Hazard Bomb Eris here I go
neon bramble
Least favourite aspect
raw violet
so many pings
dry ember
Look at Mr. Popular over here
mighty ermine
i'm honestly kind of surprised that shield 4 ended up doing the same thing as hera. not in the same way, obviously
dry ember
Smh
mighty ermine
but i was expecting something more fresh overall, i guess
raw violet
whoever is using my list to look at builds, just keep in mind the context being that some of these are extremely restrictive settings so they are powerful builds in general, yes. but there are many powerful builds in general.
mighty ermine
lol
neon bramble
Except Blizzard shot for some reason
stuck elbow
tbh I hope they add duos for it
because Beo is legit fun
Almost as fun as the Aspect of Lebron James
raw violet
I do like the idea that Beowulf is a cast weapon that takes advantage of vanilla casts
whereas it feels like every other cast weapon is a beeline to Duos
mighty ermine
it's bursty and fun sometimes, but feels more finicky with setting up that burst compared to other burst weapons e.g. demeter fists
raw violet
yeah, I think that adjusting the burst is a better way to differentiate the shield than just making duos work differently
cunning urchin
@raw violet I figure since there are no other lists or sites for builds, it's a good list for people to learn the core of some really strong builds.
raw violet
no, I don't think it's wrong at all, just wanted to make sure people understood the nuance a little
neon bramble
To me eris aspect rail is easily the most janky weapon setup
It's just not easy to play optimally
lament coral
Truly? Over Zeus shield and Hestia rail?
velvet thicket
i hate eris i always used hestia even when it was suboptimal to do so
neon bramble
I love Hestia
velvet thicket
zeus and hestia are two of my favorites lmao
lament coral
my reload button would've been worn out of existence if I played Hestia
heady zephyr
Tbh they should bring the beo casts over to hera as well
And yeah add duos and stuff for them
velvet thicket
nahhh keep em distinct imo
heady zephyr
Hera casts have a bad habit of overshooting I find
neon bramble
The Ares cast was a cool idea, but the doom damage on it is super weak
heady zephyr
If you kill the target with the arrow
And they'll fly off into the edge of the map. At least with the beo casts they're easy to pick up
fast fern
what list are you referring to @raw violet
mighty ermine
i haven't used hera in a while, does it still have issues regarding crush shot?
how sometimes they'll spawn the casts past the enemy and such
heady zephyr
It did before this patch, haven't tried it since
heady zephyr
And yeah, unifying hera and beo means there's a melee and a ranged caster weapon, which seems fine
The real dark horse now is poseidon imo
lament coral
what would be the point of giving Beowulf's casts to Hera?
You don't use Hera point blank
if anything, Hera should have its own casts
neon bramble
Have you used Beo With charged shot?
lament coral
designed for long range engagement
heady zephyr
@lament coral good point
neon bramble
The cast explodes at the end of the shot
heady zephyr
But yeah, the default casts aren't well suited in a lot of cases for use with hera
neon bramble
Same would happen for Hera
heady zephyr
Right now a lot of casts just fly off the screen if the arrow kills the enemy
lament coral
the explosion occurs around Zagreus, not point of impact
neon bramble
Like... Hera + crystal beam... No
lament coral
it works like Demeter's boon
heady zephyr
I'd prefer the cast at least consistently ending where the arrow doea
neon bramble
Hera + icy flare.... YES
fast fern
breaching cross get a nerf down to 900%?
fast fern
from 1000% right?
neon bramble
Yep
fast fern
seems unnecessary
mighty ermine
i feel like if hera aspect was created later after beo's casts were tweaked, it would have an icy flare equivalent instead of just delivering some crystals
it kind of feels like an awkward holdover
heady zephyr
Can beowulf benefit from the back stab cast boon?
neon bramble
Yes it can @heady zephyr
lament coral
the cast explosion comes from the casts still
heady zephyr
Hera can be good, but only with a very limited handful of casts and synergies
Ah cool
lament coral
have you guys noticed how much support backstab got this update?
makes the alternative mirror talent worse
neon bramble
People used fiery presence?
mighty ermine
other than the changed athena/aphro duo, it got about the same attention that undamaged strikes and trap damage got
heady zephyr
Fiery presence could stand to be changed. Too easy to get one or two ticks of damage in and ruin it
velvet thicket
i've used fiery with hestia a few times and i think that's it, it's p bad
lament coral
well, you could get +1500% trap damage from Chaos
heady zephyr
Maybe it could be bonus to enemies with over 80% health
cunning urchin
How come so many victory screens in #h1-victory-boasting don't have a heat skull in the top-left corner. Is that a bug?
neon bramble
Yes
untold quiver
How high does the s
Wulf shield bonus get....cause those huge blade rifts are already spicy at base
lament coral
60%
cunning urchin
Yeah, I noticed.
untold quiver
Oh damn now that's a blender
cunning urchin
I thought I was tripping at first lol.
untold quiver
Oh it's definitely slow
lament coral
and no block
neon bramble
No blades with shield
untold quiver
I'm kinda off of Hera now with Rama so I'm looking for a new load up cast weapon
untold quiver
Whatever it was it was pretty sweet
lament coral
Rama just feels like a better Chiron tbh
neon bramble
I find the damage on it underwhelming for Ares cast
lament coral
it's slower but it smacks
velvet thicket
rama is my least favorite aspect so far
untold quiver
Chiron and Rama are literally opposite
neon bramble
Rama you need to tag everything and shared suffering only transfers damage, not boon effects
heady zephyr
Rama works surprisingly well as a shotgun I found
neon bramble
It's meh
lament coral
so get a bigger attack
neon bramble
And shooting rhythm is weird
heady zephyr
Dual arrow and point blank arrow
lament coral
put Aphrodite on it
neon bramble
I find the damage extremely underwhelming on rama
lament coral
boom, dead, destroyed, eliminated
neon bramble
Even with twin shot
heady zephyr
Are you setting up shared suffering?
lament coral
I'm not setting anything up: special, attack, enemy is gone.
heady zephyr
Yeah
velvet thicket
ok but how long are you charging that attack
lament coral
the special is fast and fires 3 arrows, that instantly removes blue shields
untold quiver
I use special for applying condition boons usually so them not transferring isn't a big deal
cunning urchin
Fiery Presence lets you one-shot enemies more easily. It's not bad at all.
lament coral
get Dio special if blue shields are giving you trouble
heady zephyr
The thing that annoys me about Rama is it can't use fiery or shadow presence well
neon bramble
Beo has the same issue with lodged cast stones
heady zephyr
Yeah
neon bramble
Can't use either one
untold quiver
I wanna look at Dio with Beowulf...since you can fight in the cloud easier than Hera
neon bramble
Probably the worst cast for beo
cunning urchin
On something like Malphon, though, Shadow Presence just beats Fiery Presence by so much damage over a run lol. It's not even a competition.
heady zephyr
Shadow presence on malphon is disgusting now
cunning urchin
But I think for newer players, Fiery Presence is the easier option.
lament coral
also, have you guys seen this weird bug with Beowulf where you get infinite casts if replace your existing cast with another god's?
heady zephyr
I use fiery for hestia and stuff cause yeah
cunning urchin
It just works consistently, and you can learn to deal with attacks and stuff without having to also focus on backstabbing a lot.
lament coral
I had this happen when I replaced my Zeus with Poseidon, so each time I pressed the cast button an explosion occurred
velvet thicket
honestly shadow presence is good at teaching players how to play the game since most of the time you wanna stay close enough to enemies that you can dash through them
unkempt pagoda
i can't be the only one who thinks shield's dashing special is a little odd, right?
i think it's good, but i can't really tell half the time
velvet thicket
i don't remember who was in here saying triple beam on lebron james was bad but uhhhhhhhhhhhh the room clear is absolutely nutty
i have it with dio attack and finishing rooms in elysium in like 15 20 seconds
cunning urchin
Why are people calling whatever aspect "Lebron James"?
velvet thicket
if i had to take a guess it's probably because 1) it's deeply funny and 2) it's proficient at chucking orange spheres
lament coral
dashing special?
neon bramble
Ok so.. I may have actually found a good spear build that isn't cast based
lament coral
which shield aspect has a dashing special?
waxen furnace
how does Targeting System work with the rocket special?
cosmic shadow
I got the sneak (scoundrel? I can't remember the name, the teleporting guy) as the mini-boss in Tartarus and that was borderline run-ending, got all of my death defiances eaten there
waxen furnace
you're not really targeting anyone
velvet thicket
it just slows in an area around the cursor i think
neon bramble
It works by wasting a hammer slot, obviously
waxen furnace
well that's a shame
I assumed if it appeared as an option, it would work if at least differently (adds the debuff after a rocket lands)
hoped, rather
neon bramble
Well the debuff does linger
neon bramble
Even on bombs
I don't like it.. too many enemies can break the stun with attack animations
waxen furnace
what stun?
neon bramble
The slow/stun effect
waxen furnace
oh, the slow
neon bramble
It slows movement but not attacks. So if go go into range, they just leap/dash at you full speed
waxen furnace
thought I had misread and it was actually a stun effect. that would be busted
ah I see. so it's not reversed Forced Overtime
neon bramble
It's a bad hammer for everything except maybe Hestia
Gives you time to reload and blast
waxen furnace
well, if it applies on hit with rockets, it has some use
30% damage buff is quite nice
running a hestia build with a fairly buffed dionysus attack, 30% would be welcome
but I think I'd prefer most other hammers
flurry fire just means quicker stacking
stark musk
Hey. How are people feeling about the new bow and shield? Cause after playing with them, I really dislike how both feel. There are especially two things that seems really dissatisfying.
The shield's slowness and lack of blocking ability and the bow's shots being able to be interrupted makes it really feel bad to play with.
waxen furnace
have yet to try the shield, but I've liked the new bow, particularly once I started focusing more on the special
stark musk
The special seemed nice, but not being able to get much damage out was really bad. Especially that being hit canceled the already slow charge up
The last boss was really rough with the amount of movement required
waxen furnace
just unlocked the shield and have yet to run with it, but I doubt I'll enjoy losing block there. will likely agree
I'd maybe suggest trying a special focused build with the new bow
and seeing how you like that instead
stark musk
Focusing on which boons? Cause the damage seemed subpar
waxen furnace
dionysus seems like a clear choice
easy stacking across the room with a few taps
maybe dio special, aphro attack
stark musk
Hmmm yeah. After the nerf to Zeus's application amount, Dio seems like a solid choice
waxen furnace
keep in mind I'm still in the 10-15 heat range, so if you're at the upper end, we're talking about practically different games
stark musk
I'm below 10 still. Only got 40ish hours on it. Just trying to unlock stuff for the story, so I'm doing every weapon up to the same point
waxen furnace
yeah been doing the same. so many bloods needed now
stark musk
Something I actually wanted to talk about was Special. Cause I feel like there are very few weapons where it is actually good. Namely the Fists and the Railgun. Most of the others feel lacking.
waxen furnace
my one regret was picking the explosive hammer on the new bow
stark musk
Yeah, I got somewhere with a Cast build with the shield
neon bramble
My advice.... Don't listen to people saying "well that doesn't work at high heat"
If climb heat naturally one at a time, you'll discover what is most effective for you on your own
stark musk
But it was really rough just waiting around
neon bramble
Don't get caught copying others
waxen furnace
mmm, I'd argue chiron bow and poseidon sword are both "special focus"
arthur as well
lament coral
Poseidon is cast focused
waxen furnace
sure, but the special is an important part of that
lament coral
and Arthur doesn't spam the special, you just use it once for the buff
waxen furnace
call it what you like, was just responding to "specials being good"
not "specials being the main source of damage"
stark musk
I just feel like it is very rarely that the buffs to special are equal or better than using anything else
Which I just find a tad sad
lament coral
I mean, special is key in Rama for example
you want specific things on it, like Dio to break blue shields
or Ares' Doom for extra oomph
but with Poseidon or Arthur, it doesn't really matter
well, so long as you're not putting Poseidon special on it, that is
waxen furnace
@lament coral I think we're just talking about different things. I don't disagree with anything you're saying
stark musk
I'm just getting some feelers out for what I'm experiencing myself without looking at anyone else
Most weapon's special in my time just seems rather underwhelming
waxen furnace
I think you're undervaluing specials, though
there's at least one aspect on most weapons where the special can pump massive damage
stark musk
I guess, but I mostly just play with one aspect
waxen furnace
guan yu, chaos, chiron and rama, dem, nearly any rail
lament coral
have you unlocked the 4th rail aspect?
stark musk
I haven't yet. Only one i'm missing but I'm a bit too tired now to unlock it
waxen furnace
oh. well in that case, if you want the special to be valuable, might be worth playing aspects where the special is valuable? there are many
cunning urchin
Special boons all have more flat damage or +% damage than equivalent Attack boons.
stark musk
I liked Rail Special, that build is fun
lament coral
when you get the 4th rail aspect, you'll instantly see why specials are cool
waxen furnace
Chaos shield only really feels good once you pump bloods into it, I've found
stark musk
I have it maxed
Ares Chaos was the only one I found that I personally felt was worth it
waxen furnace
ah. different strokes I guess
lament coral
what is it that you dislike about Chaos shield specifically?
cunning urchin
Chaos Aspect is broken. The Special makes most heat trivial.
stark musk
I don't dislike the Chaos Shield. Just trying to do a Special built didn't feel more powerful than just doing attack
waxen furnace
I love the whole "shields flying around the room" thing, and found it to be quite effective
stark musk
I've tried straight damage, a Dio build and a Ares build with special
lament coral
Athena/Ares and Aphrodite/Dionysus are the top Chaos builds
waxen furnace
ah. that leaves "different strokes" territory and into "I have yet to figure out how to make chaos shield work effectively" territory
cunning urchin
If you're talking about base shield, though, that's different. It's somewhat underwhelming in damage, yeah.
waxen furnace
because special builds on chaos shield are insane at most levels of play, afaik
stark musk
The most powerful one was in fact the Athena/Ares build when going Special. But even then, I found it more effective to go Ares Attack and Athena Dash rather than special
lament coral
Zeus is ok, so is Demeter
stark musk
to use the legendary
cunning urchin
Chaos Aspect is one specific shield aspect. Shield of Chaos is all shield aspects. Just clearing that up in case there's a misunderstanding.
lament coral
so are you struggling with finding a consistent damage combo or just dislike the Bull Rush into special mechanic?
I can understand the 2nd one
tho I like it personally
cunning urchin
Yeah, Chaos Aspect is pretty broken if you put literally anything on its Special.
dry ember
Yeah that sounds about true
Some work better than others but any would work on Chaos Spec
cunning urchin
I don't find the weapon particularly fun, but its room clearing potential is insane.
lament coral
cause worst case scenario, you can just turtle
stark musk
Okay, I'll rephrase: Using the Chaos Aspect, I found that opting into a build that focused heavily on the Special part wasn't as powerful nor fun as simply using the Bull Rush and Attack. That is after trying it multiple times with focus on Dio, Ares and Athena. Especially the Ares/Athena combo seemed more potent with Ares Attack/Athena Dash than trying to use special. That I appear to be very wrong just kinda confuses me. Note that I'm on some of the lower Heat
mighty ermine
trying zeus' thunder flourish may change your perspective
strong out the gate, can be heavily ramped up with T2 and splitting bolt
stark musk
I'm new on the forum, so T2 means?
mighty ermine
oh sorry, tier 2 boons
ones that only show up once you have a basic boon like thunder flourish
stark musk
Sure sure
mighty ermine
like jolted status, or double bolt strike chance, etc.
stark musk
Right, I confused myself in overcomplicating what T2 could stand for
waxen furnace
I've tried all of the special builds you've mentioned, and have pretty consistently found chaos shield to be the one of the easiest things to push heat on by a fairly large margin, and that's not a rare stance here. maybe it's a matter of gameplay style?
side note - what specials are people pairing with the new shield aspect? ares, maybe?
fast fern
what is the optimal special boon for GY aspect?
waxen furnace
dio wouldn't be bad
stark musk
My first run was with Dio
waxen furnace
...what would dem special even do? drop a laser turret where you stop?
lament coral
@fast fern damage ideally, so Aphrodite
mighty ermine
@fast fern artemis, aphro, and poseidon because of his high special % base are all good on it
velvet thicket
it turns all of the casts into aoe blasts of some kind or another marah
mighty ermine
artemis in particular in conjunction with charged skewer
lament coral
yeah, Charged Skewer is key
you wanna avoid fixed damage specials, so no Dio/Zeus/Ares
waxen furnace
ah so things like dem special could work nicely with newshield then
interesting. if ares doesn't leave a blade, does it just do... fixed damage instead?
so much I want to try with this thing
lament coral
what is Beowulf's special anyway? It felt like a regular shield special but slower and with no bouncing
mighty ermine
it does a flare of doom iirc, marah
@lament coral yeah pretty much that. slightly stronger, slower, no inherent bounce
stark musk
I'm really interested in what people find out about the new shield, cause I didn't see the appeal
velvet thicket
the lack of bouncing really hurts it
stoic thicket
Haelian got a video on the special in the last couple days, he got it to chonk mightily.
mighty ermine
apparently it gets pretty good if you heavily invest into it
stoic thicket
But also got lucky with boons.
stark musk
I felt that the slow attack and the lack of blocking really felt bad
lament coral
yeah, the lack of block just kills it
dusky hull
Where are the duos
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720362649308627054/725436620756746290/1145360_20200624224511_1.png
WHERE
stoic thicket
Then again it's Haelian, just because he can make it work doesn't mean it's good.
lament coral
it's already slow and you take extra damage
dusky hull
What are the current prereqs for DemXAphro and DemXArt duos?
waxen furnace
does the special have a higher base damage or something?
stark musk
Just so I'm not making things up. The new bow gets interrupted when hit whilke charging attack. Does the other bows also do that or am I just crazy
stoic thicket
IIRC Crystal Beam + anything from one of the others.
mighty ermine
@dusky hull pretty sure just crystal beam and a core boon from the other corresponding goddess
lament coral
@dusky hull Dem cast for both and attack/special from the other gods, I believe
waxen furnace
beo special seems clunky. looking up the haelian run now
mighty ermine
dash and call count towards it too, i believe
lament coral
oh, that's good to know
stoic thicket
Haelian got the exact two right hammers but that thing did a mountain of damage.
dusky hull
I know about Dem's cast, but why hasn't Aphro's special summoned the duo once then?
mighty ermine
luck
stark musk
Before I go: Is there an optimal Mirror setup?
waxen furnace
depends on the weapon, I would say, max
velvet thicket
nah, it depends on weapon most of the time
waxen furnace
also a whole lot of playstyle dependency
lament coral
some talents are better than alternatives tho
waxen furnace
ex. regen cast vs 3charge
lament coral
like the backstab damage one and darkness healing
cunning urchin
Duo rarity is lowered. You'll see more Duo Boons because there are more in the game, but if you're looking for something specific, you'll have a harder time now.
mighty ermine
- Slightly reduced base chance Olympians offering Duo Boons (now that there are many more of them)
from the patch notes
waxen furnace
I think the only ones I nearly never remove are shadow presence, dark regeneration, death defiance, ruthless reflex, and boiling blood
stoic thicket
That's a change that I'm still a bit grumpy about because there's certain builds that absolutely require a Duo to function, and reducing both base chance and God's Legacy boost hurts.
velvet thicket
zzzzzz one of my main gripes with the game was already that it's annoying to get every prereq as fast as possible and just never get offered the duo or legendary you need
cunning urchin
Thinking the right thing with the wrong words.
lament coral
say what? You're using 1 dash talent?
crimson geyser
hot take: new rail aspect is the best, new shield aspect is the worst 😢
velvet thicket
new rail aspect is completely bonkers
stoic thicket
Lukewarm take at best, I think the same.
crimson geyser
haha
lament coral
I don't think Lucy is the best aspect, but it's up there
it's just so much fun to use
waxen furnace
@crimson geyser pretty frigid take lol
crimson geyser
i just mean best rail aspect
mighty ermine
tepid take
crimson geyser
is a hot take supposed to be profound? lol
cunning urchin
I dunno. Part of getting better at the game is learning to have plenty of alternative strategies, so you can adjust your run on the fly.
lament coral
well, Hestia is still more damage, probably
waxen furnace
hot takes are supposed to be contrarian to expectations
crimson geyser
ohh
waxen furnace
"hot take: I think the shield aspect is amazing and the new gun is trash"
crimson geyser
i thought they were just brash and unsubstantiated
cunning urchin
If you want a very specific build, you should expect that you'll need multiple runs to get it unless you're lucky.
waxen furnace
@lament coral I'm only at the 10 heat level, but yeah I've been using the 1dash for a while now
after getting used to it, I've really liked the damage buff
cunning urchin
But if your goal is clearing the run, focusing on a build that's too specific will hurt you more often than not.
lament coral
I tried it 2 or 3 times and it felt absolutely awful
especially in Asphodel and against Hades
waxen furnace
took me a few runs to get used to
crimson geyser
i managed to fail to clear the run at 0 heat with 50% damage reduction from god mode with maxed out beowulf aspect
mighty ermine
ruthless is plenty viable for 0-20 heat, i think. the damage buff you get is powerful
lament coral
you either get Hermes' dashes or you suffer
mighty ermine
for higher heat though, being reliant on hermes dash is a problem
cunning urchin
Yeah, I used Ruthless Reflex for most of my 0~20 clears with Malphon.
waxen furnace
Imagine using Nemesis
(I kid)
well, sorta. I know people like Nemesis, I just have never made it work quite yet, and don't want to pour bloods into it until I level the higher priority items
crimson geyser
w..which one is nemesis again?
cunning urchin
You don't need extra dashes so much on lower heat. +50% dodge and attack damage is plenty and can speed things up.
turbid needle
Stygius Aspect, Special for crit chance on Attack (caps at 30%) for 3 seconds.
crimson geyser
is that the crit sword?
ah yeah
that's my fav sword aspect probably, tho not the most interesting
waxen furnace
side note, love the idle stance with arthur. never noticed that before
west bone
Hey there ! I need some advice.
cunning urchin
Final boss spins only hit for 40 without HL, and you'll dodge half of them with Ruthless simply by mashing dash-strikes the whole fight lol.
west bone
Have you already met those four mini-bosses witches in Asphodele ?
cunning urchin
And every dodge triggers Ruthless.
west bone
How do you deal with them ?
stoic thicket
Nemesis is an oddball. It's an aspect that I really like the concept of and that feels really powerful but I'm just too stupid to, you know, not die with it.
cunning urchin
Wait no, not every dodge. But if you dodge as you dash, it triggers Ruthless.
neon bramble
Killed by HS pots at end of a run because I passed up on sure footing...
Feelsbad
lament coral
@west bone there's nothing really special about them, they fight like regular witches by spamming projectiles
so any form of Deflect would be good, to shoot their shots back
otherwise, just dash through em
west bone
Ok, I see.
waxen furnace
I like that the new shield is a meainingful addition of risk/reward to the shield, but it's currently feeling like a lot of risk for reward that I could just get by playing Hestia
neon bramble
Try loading up the special attack with the two hammers dash flight and charged flight
You won't even need a boon on it
You'll be hitting for 2-3k damage
With a boon, 4-6k
On Crits
waxen furnace
jeez. I'll try and give that a go, but needing specific hammers is a pain
lament coral
sounds like a lot of ifs
neon bramble
It's fun
lament coral
for a weapon with a cast based focus
waxen furnace
like guan yu special is insane with the right build, but if you don't get charged skewer, an attack build is quite good
neon bramble
I play to have fun. Don't care about "ifs" @lament coral 😉
If a build fails because I didn't get what I need, so be it
waxen furnace
I don't know if I see as much flexibility here (yet)
neon bramble
I just try again
lament coral
GY's special is still solid with just a boon
waxen furnace
amended statement: that's a lot of ifs for that special to be fun
yeah didn't mean to imply it wasn't good otherwise, was just specifically addressing numbers that are that insane
neon bramble
50% of My enjoyment from this game comes from chunking bosses with extreme damage
So most of my builds are focused around that as opposed to crowd control
lament coral
I imagine you meant E X T R E M E D A M A G E
neon bramble
Hahaa
waxen furnace
ok. with Unyielding Defense and arte attack, beo is starting to feel alright
if only this was reliable
neon bramble
I found a merciful end build with ares attack and Athena cast to be the most reliable and natural and consistent damage throughout
For beo
It just flows perfectly
Apply doom, instantly detonate
Rinse repeat
Other good cast centric builds...
Full Zeus with Demeter attack (cold fusion)
Vengeful Mood with Demeter cast (this is difficult to build)
Heart rend with Aphrodite attack and Artemis cast
sacred idol
Best gods to take for Lucifer Zeus attack/infinity chamber?
I've got an athena here...
velvet thicket
artemis for support fire and pressure points and then your choice of probably aphro or ares on special
velvet thicket
poms are good
really basically everything is secondary to trying for splitting bolt
sacred idol
oh yeah pom scaling's neat on zeus
neon bramble
If you go eternal chamber, you absolutely MUST get extra dashes from Hermes
Otherwise, it's not as good
sacred idol
so basically, true tesla coil build, too?
I'm on a fairly low heat, 11, so it... should be fine without dash stacks?
probably shouldn't have gone ruthless reflex though, in hindsight
neon bramble
It will be, but you're gonna find that you can't sustain firing, and eternal chamber lowers your damage
velvet thicket
i run ruthless with lucy
neon bramble
So you'd have been better off without it
sacred idol
wow
neon bramble
And gone concentrated fire/flash fire
sacred idol
lmao, this REALLY wants me to take athena
I dropped her for a pom and got her again
this seed is actually generally awful, low-rarity boons lmao
neon bramble
So kill yourself off and start again
neon bramble
I generally try to make any run work, but whenever I hear players saying the boons are trash on their run, I always suggest killing yourself and trying again 🤣
sacred idol
What other hammers are good with Zeuscifer
Like, second hammer, what's nice to have? Can it get scatter bombs or anything
neon bramble
The doomstone is easy with Lucifer Zeus attack because all the lightning hits everything
sacred idol
I assume no because a quintuple stack of hellfire sounds slightly broken
neon bramble
You don't even really have to aim against it
You can get Triple bomb but not cluster bomb
velvet thicket
hazard bomb is v good with lucifer
sacred idol
damnit.
neon bramble
And no rocket bomb
sacred idol
so hazard/triple is great, got it
triple seems better for saturation in theory, hazard for spicy boss damage
neon bramble
I don't like Zeus special, I always get all attack hammers if I can
sacred idol
oh no, I mean, it's not a zeus special run
neon bramble
Sorry... Lucifer special
neon bramble
Typo
sacred idol
yeah, I like it when it works, but it's a bit fiddly
velvet thicket
there's also one that increases the area that the bombs do their radiating ticks of damage, which is good if you're using aphro/ares on bombs + privileged status
sacred idol
I was running common Demeter attack in my non-Zeus-trinket version of this seed, and I could not get ANY kills vs Than
neon bramble
That is the only useful one to me
sacred idol
in Asphodel, it was literally 10/0
velvet thicket
dio or zeus attack or an artemis special build are the ways to go as far as i can tell
dio in particular is disgusting
sacred idol
I just wish the Hellfire didn't have the lob animation
other than the atrocious flight time, in all other respects it is simply Load() from Transistor with a free tick effect
velvet thicket
i mean load had the comically slow cast time so what's the difference really
neon bramble
Later on yes, once I had multiple runthroughs
And was stacking inhuman amounts of multiple abilities
You can do some crazy stuff when you have 3x of anything
waxen furnace
I got that massive vinyl box set on the way. good excuse to go back to bastion/transistor
neon bramble
Transistor is so good. Loved the way the story was told in that one
waxen furnace
vengeful mood + athena and zeus revenge + athena dash and attack on beo shield was actually pretty fun. dem cast + snow burst meant constant aoe chill as well
neon bramble
So you took my advice 😉
That's a good build
It's even better if you can get Demeter's revenge boon
Then you go for Arctic blast
waxen furnace
did I? thought you had suggested ares + athena, which seems fun
neon bramble
I suggested several
waxen furnace
oh I see that now! a list of them
sacred idol
so how IS Beo, exactly? people saying it's good/bad
neon bramble
Beowulf is fun.... If you want it to work for high heat, you kinda use cast as a support tool, and focus on buffing the special
But for mid range heat, it's loads of fun
sacred idol
It seems very polarizing
which makes a lot of sense for a weapon that's been compared to Arthur and Hera
neon bramble
Because everyone wanted another op Chaos shield
sacred idol
two of the most love/hate weapons in the game?
sacred idol
Are there any genuinely bad aspects rn
neon bramble
Yes
sacred idol
...well, maybe zag shield
waxen furnace
hera is love/hate? didn't think people had strong feelings against it
thought it was more "eh this isn't my thing"
sacred idol
yeah, because cast builds are kinda...
also
did it ever get QoL buffs to not shoot your entire cast load into lava
neon bramble
Zeus shield is meh... Spears are meh.
And personally, I don't like eris aspect for rail, or Rama for bow
But that's me
sacred idol
back in at least Nighty Night, people STILL had that issue
no way of retrieving a missed shot
neon bramble
I also despise Zag sword with every molecule of my body
sacred idol
oh yeah I hate zag sword
waxen furnace
dreading needing to pour bloods into that
velvet thicket
i love zag sword are you kiddin take it with lambent plume and nascar
sacred idol
but Zeus shield and Eris aspect are objectively good...
Spears, well
Zag is reliable. It's a good zagreus.
neon bramble
I call it the banana sword because you are slipping and sliding everywhere
sacred idol
Achilles is good, a little clunky but very fun personally
neon bramble
Nemesis aspect FTW
sacred idol
I hate sword period
sacred idol
fists feel like a version of sword I actually like
the one Aspect I feel is kinda... ??? is Hades
neon bramble
Get flurry slash on nemesis, and you basically have fists
I like Hades aspect spear
It's the only one I like
Well. Zag spear is ok
sacred idol
Like, just in theory, the Hades spear seems like it wouldn't be good because it's reliant on mechanics that are universally considered... kinda bad
like spinning, which is "get the right hammers or kill yourself and restart"
waxen furnace
...okay. just got lucy. this is SICK
neon bramble
I've learnt to utilize the spin with dashing
It is very effective
The problem with spear is when you pump blue hearts into the pact... It kills the spin mechanic because you generally want to get enemies as they are spawning
waxen furnace
dash-strike is meaningless on lucy, correct?
don't seem to notice any difference in attack vs dash-attack
neon bramble
Correct
neon bramble
Go Zeus attack.
Enjoy.
neon bramble
Or be a firefighter and take Poseidon attack
sacred idol
ah yes the good old firehose
waxen furnace
I have poseidon, arthur, guan yu, chaos, hera, chiron, talos, and hestia maxed. I think I'll max lucy next, followed by demeter. and then maybe nemesis to see what all the fuss is about
sacred idol
what other gods go nicely with firehose gun?
sacred idol
ah yes, ofc
neon bramble
Also.... Ares + dire misfortune is absolutely ridiculous
sacred idol
you can still go with the silly Sea Storm+Cold Fusion nonsense, right?
neon bramble
Yes
sacred idol
Ares+Dire? In what build
sacred idol
Oh, LOL
neon bramble
Massive damage
neon bramble
Then add support fire 🤣
sacred idol
Hmm. Demeter special okay on this rail?
I could just go all in hoping for cold fusion
since I have it on gods' legacy or whatever it's called
neon bramble
All the AOE and status effect boons are great with the special
sacred idol
oh wait.
I now have aoe slow bombs
yeah, that sounds better
crystal beam a meme though
lasers on your lasers
neon bramble
Crystal meme
sacred idol
why have I gotten alecto for three goddamn runs in a row
wait no, I got Tisi once, but Alecto Alecto Tisiphone Alecto, and she gets an extra fury sister every time I rematch her
sacred idol
pff, imagine being any good at games.
neon bramble
Phase 1, slap her.
As soon as she goes invulnerable, drop bouldy on her head.
Phase 3, just attack dash back and forth between her red circle AOE
sacred idol
it's the traps that get me
Meg I find easiest usually because her arena is simple and mooks are usually actually a net positive for a lot of boons
neon bramble
I barely even move when I fight her
sacred idol
Tisi in some cases
neon bramble
I find Meg the toughest
sacred idol
that said, my highest heat is below 14?
waxen furnace
ares attack on lucy rail, trying to go for dire memefortune
neon bramble
Hahahaaaa
waxen furnace
both triple beam and flash fire are appealing
mighty ermine
tis is probably easiest for me personally, all of her attacks are easy to predict and see coming even on FO2
sacred idol
there's a triple beam?
mighty ermine
alecto is my worst, i get greedy and get hit by her quick front swipe sometimes
neon bramble
Triple beam sound better than it is
You won't hit anything with the two extra beams
sacred idol
aw
neon bramble
It's a trap
neon bramble
Flash fire is THE HAMMER
get it
Just do it
Faster firing at start, faster fire rate
waxen furnace
yeah that's what I went for
neon bramble
Combine that with eternal chamber or concentrated fire
waxen furnace
hazard bomb is for later, when I'm not trying to go Full Ares
wondering what special to target. aphro maybe?
athena could be meme-worthy like zeus shield special. just sit in your bombs and deflect all lol
sacred idol
LMAO
that sounds hilarious
using your own bombs as shields, then detonating them once the big deadly thing is done?
neon bramble
And you might get some meme worthy merciful end detonations with that
sacred idol
hey hermes pls give me dashes
lament coral
tick rate of what?
sacred idol
Luci
neon bramble
Zeus special is good on Lucy
neon bramble
Constant bolts... It's like lightning rod, but good
lament coral
mmm, foood
neon bramble
Lol
sacred idol
side hustle, quick reload (no cast boon here), and common god gauge charger boon
I took the god gauge because I'm bad and athena might save me
waxen furnace
"always a safe bet" was a bit confusing. as aphro special is always a safe bet on most weps, which made me think you were saying zeus special is good on most weps as well lol
neon bramble
No, just on Lucy
sacred idol
I think I'll personally always opt to have Zeus SOMEWHERE on this aspect
lament coral
how can SGG give Hermes god tier boons like Side Hustle or the gauge charge one but let him keep trash like the speed after dash one or HP restore after dash?
sacred idol
Partly because all his choices are generally good on it, and partly because it fulfills my dream of making this the Tesla aspect
neon bramble
I'm sorry but drift dash is criminally underrated
sacred idol
Wait, Side Hustle is that good?
neon bramble
It is an excellent boon
sacred idol
I should've taken it, it was one rarity higher is all
lament coral
the earlier you get Side Hustle, the better it gets
sacred idol
yeah, I thought it'd be good, but that I might need Athena to give me free get out of death free cards more...
haughty surge
Used poseidon with the last gun aspect. Watergun is pretty fun
sacred idol
but it's early asphodel, I didn't think that through.
should have just taken it and been loaded by styx
neon bramble
Drift dash is awesome vs Dad
sacred idol
drift dash is actually good
neon bramble
And in Elysium in general
sacred idol
also, the heal after dash is... okay
lament coral
I don't want my character moving faster than I'm normally used to
neon bramble
Dude
sacred idol
Is Frozen Touch good times?
lament coral
it's a revenge boon
sacred idol
remind me, does Athena's call let revenge boons proc
I have mistral dash, nourished soul, and frozen touch, all common.
lament coral
I don't believe so
neon bramble
Try Lambent plume + second wind + rush delivery and then tell me you don't like Zag moving faster than usual
sacred idol
Told you this seed was a bit of a joke
lament coral
since you're not actually getting hit
quick igloo
any good beowolf builds
sacred idol
imagine being good enough to proc lambent plume bonuses at all.
I've never seen it actually give me a bonus.
civic barn
vengeful mood
neon bramble
I get +30% on every run
sacred idol
well, maybe you're not actually trash at videogames like me
<:
I'm bad at going fast
neon bramble
Yes... Thank you Skal.. I'll correct it
sacred idol
and just in general
but all three choices are underwhelming
mistral dash hitbox ever get buffed?
its hitbox was so tiny back in Long Winter/Nighty Night
civic barn
wait, sorry i'm lost; wasn't trying to correct anyone :x
lament coral
it was adjusted in NN
the visual effect is still bigger than it actually is
no idea why they refuse to change it
neon bramble
I suggested a vengeful mood build for beo earlier and called it curse of vengeance
civic barn
I was just pointing that duo out for felis
neon bramble
I just fixed it
sacred idol
no ares today so it's not happening
civic barn
ah, well if it helped that's good but i wasn't trying to fault anyone, sorry 👌
neon bramble
I don't like menstrual dash... I want it to be AOE instead of a queef
neon bramble
My fastest is 16:41 on heat 32.. I was shocked when I finished
sacred idol
and average is closer to like... 22 something
I have zero ability to achieve such a thing
neon bramble
I think foxhope has a 9min fist run on like heat 40 or something
Someone does, can't remember who
sacred idol
yeah w/e, I know I'd never manage anything of the sort
I'll probably have to go god mode just to get skelly's statue
also, this is neat. I ended up with clouded, and my hermes boon is god gauge charge, so now I just get to spam athena's call and sit in invinc half the time?
neon bramble
Yup
sacred idol
...does it apply the clouded judgment on every single tick of lucy's primary attack
because if so, LOL
lament coral
welcome to Olympus, cousin
neon bramble
Yup
sacred idol
accidentally run into the extra meme for bad players build
literally begging to be carried by the family
neon bramble
Zag.. the God of using other gods to be powerful God
sacred idol
god of friendship
neon bramble
The God of Chad
sacred idol
Is there a thing that makes those new bone dragon heads in Asphodel super lethal at any point?
neon bramble
Yes.
sacred idol
So far they feel like the least threatening new addition, from a handful of rail/fist runs
neon bramble
It's called BP2
sacred idol
which one is that
neon bramble
Benefits package
sacred idol
oh wait, benefits, yeah, I have that
I haven't seen the elites yet
that's gonna be Fun
also I swear, Gods' Legacy is such a meme
sometimes it works, my last run was drowning in good duo/legendary
and sometimes it is this seed, the 80% common run
neon bramble
I find it useless
If the legendary or duo will appear, it will without it
Plus you can always boost chance with chaos
neon bramble
Or Eurydice
sacred idol
also, imagine getting chaos :p
Eh? Isn't it the other way?
You can't boost duo chance with either one
only rare/epic
waxen furnace
not sure it's good, just said it's fun
sacred idol
ah yes. this build truly is... god mode
waxen furnace
you just sit between your bombs and deflect everything
it's too delicate to be good
sacred idol
carried entirely by god gauge stacking
lament coral
did you mean Athena?
waxen furnace
....yes. that. thanks lol
lament coral
waxen furnace
you know... them deflecty-crits..
sacred idol
I swear this mistral is useless and I should have taken demeter's revenge instead
lament coral
deflecto-crits on deflecto-balls
neon bramble
I warned ye @sacred idol 🤣
sacred idol
no, it's useless because I forgot I was using dem special
LUL
it's just... ice on my ice that's already stacking itself
ah yes. a teleporting, cell-splitting swordsman. a lovely start. benefits package is hilarious
horrific flashbacks to high limiter transistor
benefits is actually the funniest way to tilt yourself
waxen furnace
to the surprise of noone, first room ares attack on lucy is not quite as good if you find zero poms or further ares boons through both tartarus and asphodel
RIP
sacred idol
it's ok, I got support fire...
Piercing Fire, Greater Inferno, or Triple Bomb
I feel like maybe Greater Inferno so I can use my hellfrost mines as even bigger zones of stop moving
as busted as piercing fire would be, I kinda already have its effect
neon bramble
Yeah, that's the problem with Ares attack
@waxen furnace
But, if you get it going, it's lol
sacred idol
This was the correctest choice, because Asterius room would have been a lot harder without Inferno
Epic arctic blast? Thanks
Or should I take Decay instead?
This is actually tough
Because Hellfire ice bombs make it easy to maintain chill on the entire room, but I'm not sure about their blast rate
neon bramble
Ok... I'm going Ares Lucifer attack... Hammer in first room is Eternal chamber 🤣🤣🤣
This should be good
neon bramble
Already got epic ares attack and epic dire misfortune in Tartarus 🤣
And it gave me Demeter cast so I might get frozen vortex
And Hermes just gave me epic dashes... This run is officially a meme
quick igloo
change my mind Beowolf shield is garbage
neon bramble
I don't want to change your mind. I think it's good.
I'm sure there are weapon aspects you like which i think are terrible
thick raptor
Does it count as a shield if you cant block with it?
quick igloo
Ha
Beowolf is just a bad version of Hera Bow
and Hera Bow Is still S tier regardless of its nerfs
quick igloo
how?
neon bramble
Special attack
quick igloo
the heavy throw?
quick igloo
dash flight and charged flight + boon
from what
I don't know those names off the top of my head and can't seem to find them on the wiki
also what boon
neon bramble
Any boon that you enable Crit on
Dash flight and charged flight are new hammers for Beo
Dash flight + 200% damage
Charged flight + 400% damage
Boon of any kind 120-300% damage
When you Crit with that, it equals 4-6k
When you include mirror talent buffs, etc
quick igloo
I see so its basically just a throw the shield build
neon bramble
Yes, and cast support
quick igloo
the cast support doesn't seem that outstanding
the charge is way to slow
and you can't even block
neon bramble
Also, because the shield had alternate casts, it is different than Hera, but has AOE capability on many casts
It also works better than Hera if you get charged shot, which essentially turns it into an AOE bow
thick raptor
I've been doing alright with aphrodite on the charge and the 400% charge up throw, still need a boon on the special though
quick igloo
well once I get the new hammer boons maybe it will be better
thick raptor
Dunno. I'd love a bull rush charge speed. The lack of block is rough.
shrewd brook
So triple beam for Lightbringer seems ass
sacred idol
Is the Anvil worth?
lament coral
anvil?
and triple beam is an ok-ish side grade
it's basically a copy of bow's triple arrow
carmine rivet
New Charon shop item. Lose one random Daedalus, get two random Daedalus.
lament coral
oh yeah, that's pretty good most of the time
it's probably the worst with the sword, since you could get the life reduction upgrade
glossy turret
anyone here got a good build with the twin fists? I have been running with them for a good amount of runs now and just feel so inferior to other weapons
sacred idol
Well, I have the Eternal Chamber and Greater Hellfire hammers, is it worth trying for a triple hammer at all @lament coral
lament coral
I dunno what Greater Hellfire is
sacred idol
Hellfire bombs have large DoT ticks
lament coral
what is your primary source of damage?
sacred idol
so basically my Demeter special is constantly chilling in a massive area, I have Zeus attack and empty cast/dash because RNG is a meme
uh, cold fusion build
lament coral
off your attack or special?
lament coral
so you don't care about losing infinite ammo, and you don't care about losing your DoT balls
sacred idol
hm? the infinite ammo is for that
lament coral
it doesn't brick your Zeus attack
sacred idol
true...
lament coral
or endless jolt
sacred idol
it's just a loss of QoL either way, what do I stand to gain
lament coral
2 random hammers
sacred idol
yeah what hammers would add to that
lament coral
I don't even know which hammers Lucy is eligible for
sacred idol
most primary attack, most non-cluster/rocket special?
sacred idol
screw it, I'll give it a shot
this seed was a meme anyway
I got piercing/triple bomb and lost greater inferno.
so, yeah, that was worth for infinite piercing laser, I suppose
lament coral
I've only seen it there so far
sacred idol
I tend to avoid mid shops that aren't boss shops.
may require that you have two daddy hammers
which naturally makes it harder to get pre styx
lament coral
makes sense
lament coral
how many DDs you got?
lament coral
you'll be fine
sacred idol
eh, heat 11, I should be good unless I flub this spectacularly
lament coral
endless Zeus attack with infinite Jolt will cream pops
and you got triple blue balls
sacred idol
okay, triple blue ball spam is absolutely ridiculous
naive tusk
@low urchin Congratulations! You will be added to the 
Hall of Fame
You did great! I'm happy for you 
sacred idol
triple bomb makes it absurdly fast
lament coral
come to to think of it, do balls trigger other balls when they blow up?
lament coral
so you could lay all 3 and then big bada boom
low urchin
I guess I had luck with the first Hammer and Aphro
sacred idol
I also apparently have three sources of God Gauge stacking (or two?) and trap resistance, so I'm good for dad's jars of doom anyway
naive tusk
Luck and love 
sacred idol
this is fuuuun
lucy's death ray is the best
LMAO 34:50 because I spent like... 10 minutes afk in decision screens.
unkempt pagoda
i made the mistake earlier of having ||rama|| and tight deadline at the same time, ran out at A&T
it’s so painfully slow, more so than ||arthur or beowulf||
lament coral
I can see how it could be slower than the shield but sword?
you just special and blast
unkempt pagoda
||arthur|| can bridge the gap a little with its aura, and is powerful enough to make up for its slowness
||rama|| in comparison doesn't do enough damage imo, and i tend to get stunned out of charging my attack a lot more
i haven't ever timed out on ||arthur|| because i can kill enemies fast enough, but ||rama|| doesn't fulfill that for me
but it's entirely possible i haven't found the right boons/hammers for it yet
sacred idol
LMAO Rama can run Poseidon Special with Sea Storm, apparently...
also not being spoilered in here for days, ehh
I think it's one of the 'picky' weapons from what I hear
like, it can be very good, but it can also be very bad with a bad boon setup
karmic ginkgo
maaan ive away from this game for a while and i am ruuuuusty
neon bramble
The problem I have with Rama is this:
The way it is "intended" to be played is not actually an effective playstyle.
You have to exploit it in a manner outside of the spirit of the weapon to make it competitive.
Same goes for Beowulf aspect
You guys should have seen how op Rama was when it first hit the tech beta
neon bramble
The special fired more arrows, and if you got relentless volley there was no pause between specials...
Then there was a hammer called dancing barrage which was like a rebound shot that would bounce once after EACH enemy it hit
flat brook
i played rama "as intended" and it seemed pretty good
neon bramble
So, if you got something like Zeus special or Aphrodite legendary, you just held down special for the whole run and murdered everything
I charm locked final battle and just stood in one spot
Zeus flourish was not capped at 5 bolts per second
It just hit like 9000 times
turbid needle
Do not under any circumstance get charged shot daedulus hammer when using the Aspect of Rama
sacred idol
that sounds completely broken
turbid needle
The most slow and painful run of my life
sacred idol
but explain "intended playstyle is not effective, you have to exploit it"
neon bramble
It was completely broken @sacred idol
Let me find a stream where daddy Degrande did it
You'll laugh
hollow minnow
charm works on the final boss??
hollow minnow
How do you unlock the new Shield aspect?? The patch notes say to unlock Guan Yu aspects and Shield aspects but I already have those???
main osprey
check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
hollow minnow
whoa!
flat brook
Could lucifer + infinity chamber + unhealthy fixation stunlock hades forever? Or would the charms statistically not enough to lock him down completely?
main osprey
probably not enough
hollow minnow
Thanks SwanDragon!
sacred idol
well, not permanently, but it could stunlock him for a reasonable time
main osprey
o7
sacred idol
by the time he breaks free, it should not matter
hollow minnow
didn't realize I might've posted in the wrong place, so thanks XD
sacred idol
I'd go for Lucifer with normal non-infinite chamber, because the ramping damage on Aphrodite sounds disgusting
hollow herald
Maybe if you get a ton of attack speed bonuses
sacred idol
with the new iteration of conc fire
sacred idol
link got yeeten lmao
naive tusk
Hi 
neon bramble
I'll dm
naive tusk
"Remember me?"
sacred idol
mfw I legit thought the daddy part was just a nickname
flat brook
yes, infinite chamber is definitely a very big hit to dps, im just curious if its possible to stunlock if you have no downtime at all
sacred idol
not that it was actually his streamer name
doubt
but if you stack all the attack speed you can, probably maybe yes
flat brook
so epic hermes attack + infinity + flash fire?
sacred idol
but like I said I'd personally aim for the improved ramping damage hammer if it appears on Lucy, take Unhealthy Fixation anyway, and enjoy getting some CC with the absurd damage output
flat brook
gonna have to try it sometime
flat brook
unhealthy fixation feels like a downgrade at hades sometimes, it constantly resets his AI and makes him more unpredictable imo
sacred idol
since apparently Aphro does disgusting things to ramping beam damage.
lmao a percentage damage buff on a ramping tick
what is this, warframe?
...is high rarity artemis viable on it, or is it a waste due to the low damage %
flat brook
artemis is very good
even at low rarity
artemis + clean kill + heart rend with lucy seemed very good
sacred idol
oh boy
sheer tick rate OP?
it does seem like it lends itself to anything that can proc several times rapidly, and benefits from such
pressure points+support fire was nasty at common
flat brook
i havent played much with lucy but it looks a bit like fists where everything is good
sacred idol
yeah
flat brook
i did a doom stacking run and it was disguntingly fun
700 damage doom procs
with dire misfortune
sacred idol
I think it does kinda reflect that rapid attacking is still meta in this game
because so many things benefit from multihits
flat brook
but lucy's ramping damage stuff nullifies rail's low hit damage weakness
sacred idol
including just erasing blue shields
lament coral
everything slow relies on dash attacks
flat brook
since % modifiers arent that good on normal rail
lament coral
which seems like a lame solution
sacred idol
that said I feel like, without piercing, the beam suffers against armor
main osprey
Zeus just offered me Lightning Rod and Sea Storm at the same time
I mean, I'm definitely taking Storm, but like
lament coral
Lucy has built-in ramp
sacred idol
so you're forced to use the hellfire to chunk it, which may or may not be easy depending on heats/enemy type
main osprey
lmao
lament coral
it's no different from using the normal rail
sacred idol
yeah, that's what I mean, rail primary generally is bad against armor
but the hellfire's a bit trickier to use
lament coral
except Lucy cuts through the armor faster
sacred idol
it does feel like a kbm weapon far more so than even reg rail though because of the hellfire mechanics.
I think part of it is that enemy bodies can actually prevent detonating the bombs if they're just slightly over the hellfire hitbox
flat brook
playing with controller, i'm just ignoring hellfire lol
its impossible to hit it since it seems to have 0 auto aim priority
sacred idol
Hm?
lament coral
you can still plop the balls around