zeus goes nyooom
#h1-builds-and-combat
viral valve
artemis can pretty much kill any boss if I charge the bar complety, and the bullrush projektile oneshots pretty much all trashenemys while reflecting every projektile
viral valve
mag died in like 30 seconds. poor mag.
it is. but its pretty darn useful against hades and the eleysim enemys as well as pretty much all of the bosses. shame it chanceles the shield block of bullrush, otheriwse id call it sligly overpowered xD
well the base thing is kinda underwelming. but boons fix that
if you have double dash you should be able to constaly have the shield behind you even, but since I use the close call thing I cant realy do that^^
hushed ledge
I usually treat Zeus shield as an entire second weapon
I really wish you could micro it more precisely tbh
Maybe while you're holding special it moves instead of you or something
viral valve
lol. gor hermes right after I said that. I guess now I can. xD
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid is weak without other crit modifiers, unfortunately.
viral valve
would be nice. but I alreay adore it as it is... although it looks kinda dumb
hushed ledge
Now I really want to be able to precisely move the shield lol
I just really like the idea of a puppet aspect
viral valve
WOULD fit zeus tbh
cunning urchin
@main osprey that "no core boons" challenge was quite fun. 1st try. Uploading video right now. https://imgur.com/a/ceRvKDv
viral valve
just picked drift dash for the first time. oh my god why didnt I do this before xD
nice.
hushed ledge
The hard part is thinking of an idea for how to manoeuvre the shield that also works on controller tbh
Drift dash is meh imo
neon fiber
zeus special build on zeus aspect
lightning bolts everywhere
viral valve
ever seen zeus + zeus + artemis random arrows?
cunning urchin
Sack was in tunnel 5 hence the time lol. Still made it before taking TD2 damage, though.
viral valve
press Q for tactical flecte bomb
hushed ledge
The fact that you just play with TD2 by default is crazy
untold vortex
I would play with TD2, but I ain't consistent enough to make it worth while 
viral valve
ayyy some free singing as well. love this run xD
hushed ledge
Even the idea of using TD1 stresses me out because it's just not how I play
I'll happily play for 53 minute runs and I'm only at like 3 heat
But if I get there in the end that's what matters
untold vortex
that's fair ^_^
cunning urchin
Well, if you can clear 0 heat in like 24 minutes, TD2 is free 5 heat.
hushed ledge
My average is 35-45 I'd say
cunning urchin
Well, enter every shop to skip rooms, and you'll have TD2 down. Also pause if you need to decide which chamber reward to go for.
hushed ledge
I do that already lol
cunning urchin
Chaos Gates save time, too.
hushed ledge
I just play safe and slow
untold vortex
good to know, ty ^_^
hushed ledge
I'll definitely get faster as I get better
cunning urchin
You also don't lose immediately when you run out of time; you just take 5 damage every second.
hushed ledge
That's a lot
untold vortex
huh, nice I was wondering how running out of time worked
tough grotto
My average is 30min
My best was like 21min with a Blizzard Shot build
So RIP TD unless I go full wizard
cunning urchin
My times used to be like 30~40 minutes until I asked here for some tips on how to clear TD and was recommended Poseidon Aspect + True Shot.
tough grotto
Yeah I went poseidon aspect but what's True Shot?
cunning urchin
Lady Artemis's Cast.
cunning urchin
Lv.1 is good enough.
cunning urchin
Hmm. Not necessarily. But it was very fast, and I did more runs with it and managed to clear TD2, too. Then from there it just helped me approach TD2 on other aspects.
tough grotto
I guess weapon builds only might overcome good cast builds with leveled up aspects and such
cunning urchin
Bow was the most difficult for me to clear with TD2 until I asked for some tips here.
tough grotto
And Chaos shield at level 3+ is the most broken thing in this game, according to other ppl
I think a Bow build with Twin Shot + Chain Shot (??) and crits could work
How did you do it?
cunning urchin
Just spam dash-strike with the bow lol.
Hunter Dash for extra dash-strike damage is pretty good.
Either Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.
hushed ledge
Yeah bow dash shots are so good
tough grotto
Knowing myself I'd dash straight into spikes for 25dmg
hushed ledge
One way i like to think about the game is a concept of a "threat zone", which is where you can attack in N amount of time
And bow dash attack gives it a huge threat zone
That isn't too slow
cunning urchin
Chaos Aspect is arguably the best aspect in the game. It's definitely one that is incredibly strong with very little practice relative to other aspects.
tough grotto
I guess there's Arthur Aspect too
still ocean
Bruh it's so hard to use
tough grotto
Why? I don't have it
cunning urchin
It's hard to point to one aspect as the best, in any case. It depends on a lot of things.
obtuse lagoon
do the weapon aspects provide more benefits than the ones displayed when you choose them?
tough grotto
No
cunning urchin
Also depends on the goal.
obtuse lagoon
i've experienced some... benefits I didn't know where they come from
cunning urchin
There are things that matter a lot on high heat that don't matter much on low heat. Things that matter for speedruns that don't matter if just clearing is the goal. Etc.
tough grotto
Please elaborate
still ocean
Why? I don't have it
It changes drastically the playstyle of the blade, to me it's very hard to time the attacks
tough grotto
I completely suck with the blade, easily my worst weapon, so that might a welcome change
viral valve
oh god. epic support fire and duo athea crit refect back to back. this might be my first win xD
tough grotto
Good luck
turbid needle
It changes drastically the playstyle of the blade, to me it's very hard to time the attacks
@still ocean When you get used to it, it becomes the best blade
It's slower but deadly
scenic sorrel
it seems a lot more useful than the other aspects tbh
obtuse lagoon
Please elaborate
@tough grotto I can't remember right now because I noticed it yesterday night and I was pretty tired, but I will pay more attention, thank you 🙂
still ocean
Ah I'm a braindead lmao, I use flurry slash and Hermes attack buffs
turbid needle
Haha Maybe it doesn't suit your style anyway. I do love it
hushed ledge
I (mostly) try to treat each aspect as a completely different weapon that's just similar to 2-3 other weapons
cunning urchin
I think "best" blade is debatable. But it's one of the strongest aspects in the game. I think that much is pretty clear.
turbid needle
But hey, the weapon was made in your name, you should give it more tries lol
still ocean
Haha sure
turbid needle
I think "best" blade is debatable. But it's one of the strongest aspects in the game. I think that much is pretty clear.
@cunning urchin I think it has more useful mechanics. But i love all blade aspects, they all have neat features
I (mostly) try to treat each aspect as a completely different weapon that's just similar to 2-3 other weapons
@hushed ledge I think that's the point indeed
tough grotto
Most don't change the playstyle enough to be considered a different weapon, especially Zagreus'
hushed ledge
It's a fairly obvious thing to do for GY/Arthur, but less obvious for the other aspects
The idea is that you learn the weapon with the trait instead of learning it then adding the trait on top
turbid needle
Most don't change the playstyle enough to be considered a different weapon, especially Zagreus'
@tough grotto But Zagreus is the default aspect 🧐
hushed ledge
Means you play much better with it in the long run
scenic sorrel
some do kinda define the playstyle you use with it, like the bow aspects
turbid needle
Well, pick Zeus and Chaos aspects of the shield, for example. They have completely different approaches
hushed ledge
I don't remember what the zag shield aspect does tbh
viral valve
dmg reduction
turbid needle
Reduces damage, but i don't remember the last time i used it
turbid needle
To me it's the most underwhelming aspect of all
hushed ledge
Ah that's fairly not interesting
scenic sorrel
it makes sense for a shield but its not that interesting
viral valve
I just killed hydra in uner one min xD damm
hushed ledge
That's definitely my least favourite aspect designwise
turbid needle
iirc its 5% per rank?
@scenic sorrel It's 10% at max rank
cunning urchin
@main osprey video evidence for the No Core Boons Challenge and Malphon. Very doable with Chaos boons and Persuasion. Quite a lot of fun. 
https://youtu.be/xyt6TmOy3I4
hushed ledge
It doesn't change your play at all
obtuse lagoon
hera is pretty ridiculous
@scenic sorrel it's so much fun, but it's the only that really adds the real damage to me
scenic sorrel
yeah true, the other feels kinda underwhelming
oh right i confused the rate with malphon
charred eagle
FOUND BAG WITH A SHIELD! You can use a special strike along with charging the bull run! PLEASE fix it!
cunning urchin
The differences between the aspects are a lot more noticeable on high heat where playing to the strengths of your aspect becomes crucial.
E.g., Zag Aspect Malphon doesn't look all that different from Demeter Aspect at first glance. But they play very different at 32+ and require different strategies to make them work.
Not withstanding some combos that can make their differences irrelevant.
turbid arch
I do not like Demeters Aspect.
The need to attack 12 times before kinda kills it for me.
cunning urchin
Doing uppercuts inbetween doesn't reset the count. And it's a nice occasional burst damage that you can focus on groups or BP2 elites.
With Flying Cutter on the Demeter Aspect, sometimes the enhanced Special will go off when I start holding the button down for the Cutter, and sometimes it won't go off, and it'll be used in the Cutter. Could this be made more consistent?
@main osprey that happens when you try to charge after a dash because the Dash-Upper can't be charged for Flying Cutter. So you'll get a Dash-Upper first, and then Zagreus charges the Flying Cutter.
leaden hare
After beating the final boss w/ almost every weapon, today I started turning up heat and gave some of them a run, but things didn't turn out very smoothly. For blade and twin fists, I died in front of the final boss; even with weapons that I'm good at (bow) I lost at a very close moment. The last run done with Nemesis blade was so terrible that I died even before that.
I really need some advice......
weak moat
probably say practice. But there are some pretty good youtubers/streamers like haelian and jawlesspaul, and daddydegrand who are all really consistent content creators, and are fairly/very good at the game
so if you're struggling, watch them and compare their play to yours @leaden hare is probably a good place to start
that and upgrade your mirror
cunning urchin
I did a 5-heat "no core boons" challenge today with Malphon and Tight Deadline at 2 if you want to watch that. (Just scroll up a little bit.) Should give you an idea for how to use that weapon effectively.
It's difficult to give general advice without knowing what you struggle with.
Strong boon builds can help, but learning attack patterns etc. matters more.
wide plover
I really need some advice
if you want free wins, just use ice wine cast build, or maybe hunting blades, or blizzard shot. Also chaos shield is easy to play, rail with rocket/spread fire hammers is easy as well
cunning urchin
You'll want to make sure you do good damage and your build is focused, though. Like in my run without core boons, I still focused on Attack with boons from Master Chaos and Cyclops Jerky from shops.
errant narwhal
@cunning urchin that run you posted in #self-promotion is so impressive 
the spare wealth poms tho, LOL
errant narwhal
i didnt even realize at first what was happening, bc i thought that was an athena boon
it used to be called vast riches i think
cunning urchin
Ah I see.
No core boons is surprisingly effective with Chaos boons and lots of gold from poms.
tough grotto
Wait you can get gold from poms?
cunning urchin
Yes. You get 295 obols if you have no boons that can be upgraded.
leaden hare
Thank all of you for the suggestions ._. I'll try again after taking some rest
the last run I did was very frustrating bc I got my hands on Demeter's cast with Artemis Duo, and I really thought I could make it until || the satyrs poisoned me to death||
cunning urchin
315 obols for +2 poms in elite chambers.
tough grotto
Damn that's some diminishing return alright
leaden hare
Does the clergy support passion for my dear grandma
cunning urchin
The 300 obol +2 pom in the Styx shop gives 295 lol.
untold vortex
Charon clearly makes money by hauling your dead body back to the house
cunning urchin
He takes all your money when you die.
wide plover
he's a consummate capitalist. He makes money by doing whatever makes money
truly ahead of his times
tough grotto
Most likely the only billionaire around
cunning urchin
Satyrs can be very mean. Try to get them stunlocked asap, so they can't shoot at you.
In general, just . . . enemies that are stunned can't attack you. You don't need to keep them stunned throughout, you just need to stun them again before they can attack you.
And don't let the biggest troublemakers get away when you're on top of them and they're stunned. Kill them right there and then, even if that means maybe taking a little damage from something else.
Throwing a cast, even the basic cast, can quickly show you where enemies are off-screen if you only know their general direction.
viral valve
wooo first clear :3 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477545972277182464/718452357708513311/unknown.png
cunning urchin
Because casts have a little bit of homing.
untold vortex
ayyy Pog
viral valve
pretty handsomly actualy
leaden hare
congratulations!
viral valve
could have handelt at least 2 more phases xD
cunning urchin
"Downtime" when you need to keep your distance for a moment because of an incoming attack is a good time to throw a cast at tanky enemies for that +50% damage from Boiling Blood. I also throw one that the most crucial target in any new wave and at any armored, tanky enemies before engaging them.
@viral valve congratulations! 🥳
leaden hare
Now that I think of it...... sometimes I subconsciously back away when it's not very necessary. It is more beneficial to crush enemies rather than giving them more time to attack, indeed.
cunning urchin
Yeah, armored enemies are the only ones you need to respect because you can't stun them.
But if you see an opportunity to burst through the armor, go for it.
Once the armor is gone, you can just stunlock them like everything else.
tepid trail
guys what's the covered up big thing near skelly and the infernal weaponry? it requires an 8 heat victory, is it worth it?
still ocean
no
tepid trail
what is it?
still ocean
a statue of skelly
tepid trail
bruh
still ocean
indeed
tepid trail
does it look good though?
turbid needle
The two first statues are very doable to obtain at a certain point of the game, but the last one i'm still trying with no success
still ocean
32 heat?
turbid needle
Yeah
still ocean
lmao i'm struggling with 10 heat, it'll take a while
dry ember
@cunning urchin No core boon on TD2. I see you, gj. Who needs Divine anything lol.
gusty steeple
I have stubborn defiance selected. The deaths defiance charge goes away when the room is cleared --- is this supposed to be the case? I beat the gorgon head on a high heat run with low life, and nicked the lava leaving and died, the defiance didnt save me
Seems unintuitive
dry ember
You should have 2 lives for everything room
jovial mortar
How many times do i have to play the lyre to complete the quest?
dry ember
You might have missed something or it's a bug
Tronco 210
But you will also need to talk to Orpheus after a certain amount
Not sure of the specific amount for each convo though
still ocean
my lyre makes cool sounds and orpheus taught me how to play it, but the quest isn't complete, is there another dialogue?
dry ember
That means you are almost done
stoic thicket
You need to just plonk away, at some point Orpheus will offer you another talk and then you're done. Can take a while.
still ocean
oh thanks
jovial mortar
Ty, i was getting tired of "practicing" pressing rb
viral valve
sooo I just got a sheet for the good riddance song? can I somehow play it? doesnt realy show up anywere
dry ember
There should be the recorder next to orpheus chair
turbid arch
@covert grove Already working on 49 Heat now?
viral valve
ye I know. dont see the music sheet in there tho.
cunning urchin
@dry ember well, the challenge was any heat. I went with TD2 for maybe going to Erebus in Tartarus.
Didn't end up entering Erebus, though.
It's pretty easy. Maybe I'll do BP2 without core boons or something sometime.
Master Chaos was kind enough to give me two attack boons.
errant narwhal
bless them
tough grotto
"It's pretty easy" cries in 30min average run time
errant narwhal
it was a really close one, though, you had like one second left at the end...
cunning urchin
I also had over 200 HP and 2 more DDs.
So plenty of time still.
Each DD was another 210 or so HP.
@tough grotto maybe if you watch it, it will help you clear faster yourself.
tough grotto
Yeah I started watching it, will continue when I have time
cunning urchin
Cool cool.
dry ember
You can tank damage for a while past the Deadline if you don't get hit.
Wait, why do you want to go to Erebus in Tartarus?
What does it have to give you?
tepid trail
oh cmon i was having such a good run then my hades crashed
does it save when it crashes?
thank god it does
cunning urchin
Infernal Gates have higher value, and at low heat they're pretty easy.
+50 HP Centaur Hearts, etc.
dry ember
Fair enough
sand cape
wow, the final spear aspect is a suicide without upgrading it
tepid trail
just throw your spear
wide plover
just don't get hit 
sand cape
yeah but, basically any hit will kill me with the penalty, so i rather wait until i can upgrade it to reduce the penalty
very cool aspect tho
neon fiber
just don't loose health 4head
cunning urchin
Low heat it's very doable at Lv.1.
sand cape
yeah, i just suck
havent beat the final with all weapons yet
missing bow, shield and rail
cunning urchin
Divine Strike and prioritize Heart chambers.
Heartbreak anything is good, too, and you might get Life Affirmation.
dry ember
Heartbreak Strike on bow can do wonder
cunning urchin
I meant for Guan Yu, but yeah.
sand cape
the only reason i even won with fist last time was because i cheese with a cast build
dry ember
I think there is an ah ha moment for every weapons
wide plover
embrace cast builds. You can learn to play the game later if you feel like it
dry ember
Lol
tough grotto
Yep, love the wizardry
sand cape
cast builds sometimes feel cheap
dry ember
Do you know what is missing in my prophecies?
tough grotto
Let the sorcery flow through your veins, no need to know game mechanics if you can win without them
dry ember
Fully Loaded
Hunting Blade
Sea Storm
Blizzard Shot
tough grotto
It's not a bug it's a feature
sand cape
once i had that mirror talent that refreshed your cast stone instead of giving you 3, got artemis legendary and destroy everything
tough grotto
Blizzard Shot?????? You never used Blizzard Shot?????
tough grotto
Smh warrior pleb
Embrace the magic
2.5k damage with blizzard shot is enough
You're a wizard, Harry
Act like it
sand cape
blizzard shot is nasty
tough grotto
Imagine having to get good hammer upgrades and attack boons for your weapons to do anything
What's MTG
neon fiber
Magic The Gcastbuilds
dry ember
We are carrying out a highly dangerous operation which require finesse
tough grotto
Right
dry ember
Not a bloody Easter Egg Hunt
dry ember
One single core boon can carry you through all things bad if you are good with attack builds
neon fiber
casting fist is fun but sadly malphon doesn't have any hera aspect shenanigans
dry ember
Smh crutch users
tough grotto
Why bother when all you need is Flood Shot, Demeter Dash and B L I Z Z A R D S H O T
neon fiber
for the record hera aspect is stupidly fun to use
i take back what i said back then, chiron's not the most fun bow aspect hera is
tough grotto
Wizard master race
dry ember
All I need is Heartbreak Strike on bow
tough grotto
And twin shot
neon fiber
i remember using epic heartbreak strike with hera
tough grotto
Can you do as much dmg tho
wide plover
that's subjective. Some people evidently like to press all the buttons all the time
tough grotto
I'll never give up on my casts after beating Hades with 3DDs left
why git gud if I can win with BC, work smarter casul
tough grotto
Buffed Crusader
viral valve
hm.. how do ya get those secret stashes axtualy?
dry ember
What secret stashes?
tepid ridge
Do you mean Troves?
viral valve
dunno. the game calls em secret stash http://prntscr.com/sugu2h
tepid ridge
Oh, I think the “secret stash” is just where Zag keeps his stuff. The items in the upper rows are gotten when you give most characters their first gift. The ones at the bottom require you to ||build a character relationship with gifts enough that they will ask you for another currency||.
viral valve
|| ah. so that locked heart thing? || hm, well on to the next question, how do I get past that one xD
tepid ridge
Yea that’s the one. Only a few characters give the bottom items though and the final one on the right hasn’t been implemented into the game yet.
You have to give them enough nectar that they ask you to finish a quest for them basically
After finishing that they will accept ||ambrosia|| I think
cunning urchin
You'll see it soon enough if you just keep playing and talking to people with a ! on them, honestly.
viral valve
fair enough^^
tepid ridge
There’s honestly just a huge amount of dialogue to get through
dry ember
Check your prophecies
cunning urchin
Certain things you need to buy from the House Contractor, but that will be pretty obvious.
dry ember
Some of them have instructions on how to get past the locked hearts also
sudden dagger
I'm at Styx and I still don't have a cast boon yet
stoic thicket
Well, FO2 is certainly a different kind of animal.
dry ember
You don't need cast boons
If it lodges, that's enough
That's +50% damage already
Some cast boons can be actively bad if you are not built up for it.
Looking at you single Trippy Shot
Well, FO2 is certainly a different kind of animal.
Isn't it fun? Wait till BP2 FO2
cunning urchin
Why wait when you can choose the pacts immediately.
dry ember
Why climb when the 57 heat option is available right after the first clear.
sudden dagger
Dang I was doing good damage to Hades for the first time, but I still don't know his patterns enough
He stabbed me through the pillar a few times
And the lasers got me
But I was closer to beating him than not
cunning urchin
Exactly. And you get the prophecy for all the pacts right away.
@sudden dagger keep at it!
I'm still learning that fight myself.
dry ember
Do it with one dash
cunning urchin
How much HP does Hades have in phase 1 and 2? 9~10k in phase 1?
Hmmm. First Impervious interruption starts at ~5310 HP. That's a third of his HP bar.
So 15~16k HP in phase 1.
sand cape
hmm thats it learnie, stand right on the disc of aspect of zeus
stoic thicket
Isn't it fun? Wait till BP2 FO2
@dry ember Yeah that ain't happening any time soon. I'm currently fine with either but not with both.
sudden dagger
The true endgame: improve your relationship with lernie
mighty ermine
please
sudden dagger
@dry ember what was the cast mechanic you were talking about, getting bloodstones stuck in enemies? How does that help
Just by the mirror proc?
stoic thicket
Yup, that mirror ability is a straight 50% damage increase.
Which is usually way better than having a single Trippy Shot every three seconds that isn't supported by any other boons and doesn't do anything.
Before you pick that you'd much rather just stick the cast and take the extra damage.
cunning urchin
It's not a straight up 50% damage increase. It adds +50% to any other +% damage you get.
stoic thicket
Well yeah, that. Point still stands.
cunning urchin
You're probably not throwing a Trippy Shot every 3 sec, either. Meanwhile, one Bloodstone will stick for 15 sec.
stoic thicket
Yup. If you don't intend to build around it just don't take non-sticking casts and rather take anything else they offer.
(unless you're forced to because weird Pact requirements but oh well..)
cunning urchin
I'd take an Epic Trippy Shot over no cast, though. The AOE damage can be nice.
cunning urchin
I'd also take an Epic Slicing Shot over no cast with Malphon. Maybe not for other weapons.
sudden dagger
Whenever I have Zeus anything, in my head I'm saying, "lightning bolt! Lightning bolt!"
cunning urchin
I actually don't use his boons much at all.
dry ember
Don't sleep on Lightning Strike Malphon please.
cunning urchin
I'm not sleeping on it. I'm just not interested.
When I start with the Owl Pendant, Lord Zeus is not who I'm looking for next.
stoic thicket
Zeus is ridiculously strong if you can mange to stack his boons. If Thunder Dash is all you're getting from him for the entire run he's decidedly underwhelming.
cunning urchin
Merciful End, Deadly Reversal, and Spent Spirit are a lot more interesting than Lightning Phalanx.
Going for Ladies Aphrodite and Artemis also opens up a chance for Heart Rend.
Lightning Flourish sucks on Malphon while I can take either Strike or Flourish from those two.
stoic thicket
Yeah, Zeus is a bit specific but if you can manage to stack him he just does a ton of damage. No idea how he holds up once you get to like monstrously high heat.
naive tusk
Are you all talking about Boiling Blood? 😮
dry ember
I mean I take Zeus as starting keepsake
cunning urchin
If I did a Lightning Strike build for Malphon, I'd start with the Thunder Signet.
naive tusk
Because that only buffs your attack and special; it’s not a universal +% damage boost 🙂
cunning urchin
Yeah, exactly.
dry ember
Ok the flip side, if you intent to lodge throughout your run
Your main damage is from attack and special
So technically no, practically almost yes
naive tusk
Also, Stygian Soul can lodge bloodstones on enemies as well
cunning urchin
@naive tusk I kind of realized that intuitively but never really consciously lol.
What do you mean "also"?
Stygian Soul is the only one that exists. There is no other Soul mirror talent.
naive tusk
Cries in Aspect of Poseidon
dry ember
Which one is Stygian Soul?
raw violet
Regen
naive tusk
Bloodstones regen.
dry ember
Yeah I take that for most of my runs
naive tusk
Aaaww you are a rope now? pats pats
stoic thicket
I use Infernal Soul for a few very specific builds, as Chaos is notoriously unreliable in getting my anything even remotely useful. On a cast build I'll guarantee you he gives me all the +attack, +special or +dash-strike boons in the world.
dry ember
I used to run the other option when I was heel over head with the Hera aspect
Now that I have gotten out of the abusive relationship with cast builds
Stygian soul is my best friend
Aaaww you are a rope now? pats pats
Yeah I'm roped to my desk rn, working (or supposed to be)
sand cape
completing the profecy about using all the mirror options would be easier if wasnt for that one about reviving once per encounter
raw violet
i use infernal for the sole purpose of debuffing Theseus and Asterius at the same time
cunning urchin
That one is easy. Just don't die more than once per encounter.
naive tusk
You just need an OP build 🙂
dry ember
5head
naive tusk
Or play Guan Yu maybe.
dry ember
Just run 32+ heat and default to using Stubborn Defiance
naive tusk
Or the Mewmew Special(cc)
dry ember
cough crutch cough
cunning urchin
I don't need any crutches. I don't need any core boons at all.
@dry ember you and your core boon crutches. Noob.
dry ember
Oh you made one run successful without core boons and think you are the hot stuff?
cunning urchin
@sand cape if you'd explain what's giving you trouble exactly, maybe somebody here can give you some tips.
sand cape
im just starting, the stubborn defiance seems way worse than death defiance to me
sudden dagger
Idk if you're supposed to do this
tall aurora
Been having WiFi issues and have found myself with 30 hours in one week in this game. Absolutely amazing stuff
cunning urchin
I've played a whole lot and I think it's way worse lol. You're not alone.
tall aurora
I’m sure you all know that tho just wanted to vent it
cunning urchin
No, I did not know you had wifi issues.
tall aurora
Then ur stupid lol
sudden dagger
But whenever my health is less than the cutoff, I take a little swim in the lava to heal up with stubborn defiance. Before I unlocked it I never made it past Asphodel, and I've never switched back
cunning urchin
raw violet
@sudden dagger that's what i do with stubborn
naive tusk
Be nice 
dry ember
It's free healing bb gril
raw violet
in some cases, it's the only way to heal
tall aurora
I’ve never used stubborn and am on a 5 win streak in less than 30 runs
It’s probably just preference
dry ember
Cry in Lasting Consequences
tall aurora
Stubborn just seems weird to me idk
raw violet
stubborn is strictly inferior except for in fringe cases
sand cape
if it healed for more it would be good
sudden dagger
It's better if you die without it
sand cape
but 30% you are dead anyway
cunning urchin
You can stack Kisses of Styx from the well shops, and they'll increase the HP you get from revives. Last Stand and Deathless Stand from Lady Athena are also pretty nice to get.
dry ember
And pray to our Lord and Savior St. Patty
cunning urchin
They're called Touch of Styx with Stubborn Defiance?
raw violet
last stand and deathless stand will also give you an extra DD if you happen to have died in the encounter and have no SD
cunning urchin
Yeah, those then.
dry ember
Yee
tall aurora
Is there a general consensus on what weapon is the best btw? Or a tier list? They all seem fairly close to me
tall aurora
Vanilla means without Aspect I assume?
dry ember
But you can clear up to 32 with any weapon and aspects
tall aurora
Or hammer
raw violet
vanilla as in boring
dry ember
No vanilla just means standard
wide plover
hey, chaos shield is not boring!
dry ember
Vanilla isn't boring
wide plover
shields go fwoosh-fwoosh
dry ember
It's one of the better ice cream flavor
naive tusk
Preach it, doggo 🍦
cunning urchin
I love vanilla.
dry ember
I think you are vanilla Krasher
raw violet
thanks
tall aurora
I like all the weapons but I felt like I got carried with Shield in one of my earlier runs
Definitely carried me through one of my first Theseus fights
tall aurora
I feel like you can just take the rail, find a hammer and profit
raw violet
there are aspects in every category that are more popular than others
tall aurora
Rail is really fun
sand cape
suprisingly i love shield and bow, but havent won with either
cunning urchin
@naive tusk did you see my no core boons challenge run with Malphon? The Swan Dragon made the challenge (after he tried it and failed).
dry ember
Bow expert here
raw violet
so if there are weapons you gravitate to, there are definitely priority choices
dry ember
What's up?
raw violet
why does being a dog make him unable to be a bow expert?
dry ember
That's very specist
raw violet
that sounds like dog-ism
tall aurora
Thumbs
naive tusk
there are aspects in every category that are more popular than others
@raw violet This. I can’t say there should be tiers about which weapon/aspect is better but popularity-wise, some are picked more than others.
raw violet
i'm pretty sure there's a professional archer with no hands
dry ember
Peach, ban her.
cunning urchin
My tag team partner would never ban me. 
dry ember
I do want to see how popular Excalibur is.
naive tusk
raw violet
this is mod abuse
tall aurora
Is that the third aspect for Stygian?
I haven’t got all the last aspects yet, only Guan Yu
sudden dagger
Maybe I need to switch to death defiance, and learn not to take so much damage all the time
naive tusk
Is there a video about it? @cunning urchin
cunning urchin
Most people are still trying to figure out how to unlock Excalibur lol. So probably not that popular.
naive tusk
I just saw your feedback about poms in Styx giving mire obols lol
cunning urchin
Yeah that was from that run lol.
restive solar
I didn’t even know you had to do something to unlock excalibur
restive solar
It just happened for me
raw violet
no luck, fox. can't find anything on google about dogs learning archery
cunning urchin
Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, Call boons.
tall aurora
Oh ok
naive tusk
There are no stupid questions here 
raw violet
but plenty of Archer clips and dogs learning how to bow
tall aurora
How do I dash
dry ember
One of Demeter boon affects cast, but is not a cast boon.
raw violet
the gesture, not the weapon
cunning urchin
Well, some of @dry ember's are. But otherwise, yeah, no stupid questions here. 
dry ember
The only stupid question is the one you already knew the answer to.
cunning urchin
O~hohohohoho!
dry ember
Be nice
naive tusk
Doggo with facts 📰
dry ember
I went to a semi military high school and had my fair share of smart arses
raw violet
not to retread but I do think there is a tier list you could make pretty easily but ultimately it'd be splitting a lot of hairs since just about every weapon and aspect would be represented in a popularity poll
cunning urchin
Most people don't have enough experience with every aspect to even judge most of them, and the ones that do have that experience are most certainly biased.
dry ember
Can we have a poll?
cunning urchin
Then there's the fact that "best" can be judged in many ways.
Low heat is also very different from high heat.
dry ember
Bow is best
raw violet
correct, but also strengths and weaknesses of weapons don't become as apparent til you start messing with more pact options
raw violet
even high heat is different from ultra high heat
you'd probably have to define the context of a tier list
but for game reward purposes, most people are probably only interested in heat 1-20
maybe up to 32
dry ember
Here is a tier list:
S tier: Sword Spear Shield Bow Rail
F tier: Fists
stoic thicket
Yup, that's me. I'll probably do heat 32 once at some point and then no longer bother about that at all.
naive tusk
I dislike tier lists. I prefer if they aren’t included in the community at all, but in other communities like speedrunning community, I can see why it’d be needed.
raw violet
yeah, i've looked at a few and I can't say I agree with any one
naive tusk
They would only dissuade people from trying other aspects/weapons that the developer team poured their hearts into.
dry ember
Joking aside, tier list matters when you have a lot of options which can confuse new players.
stoic thicket
I kinda like them. You have to take them with a grain of salt always but I appreciate someone telling me what usually works well and what doesn't, in particular if I have no clue at all.
dry ember
But 6 is not a lot
raw violet
additionally, i think this is a game that has very well made aspects
dry ember
You can learn to use all of them.
stoic thicket
Btw, is there a reason to hold out on spending the Diamonds on the music?
raw violet
but i think a tier list in EA could be helpful in the sense that if there's an aspect that no one is using, it may either need some looking at or someone needs to show how it can be effective
dry ember
Blow them on sick tunes
naive tusk
@stoic thicket the thing is, everything can work well.
sudden dagger
Can you ever really know if you've finished quests
cunning urchin
Really? So how do we make Talos work well?
naive tusk
The developer team is making sure everything is viable and suits playstyles rather than what’s op and what’s not.
dry ember
Here is a tier list:
S tier: Sword Spear Shield Bow Rail
F tier: Fists
raw violet
i do think there is merit to high priority upgrades though, since a lot of people who are struggling simply want to know what weapons to invest blood into for easier clears
so they can learn the game with minimal frustration
naive tusk
That’s why they try to balance stuff every now and then.
cunning urchin
Are you trying to bait me?
dry ember
The only stupid question is the one you already knew the answer to.
raw violet
fist is F tier cause 40 is the highest clear anyone has gotten with it
so we can have an empiric tier list
like the FGC does
cunning urchin
Slicing Shot > pull enemy into that or Blizzard Shot and do the same. That's all I've really come up with for Talos.
naive tusk
When it comes to new players, I think they should experience the game by themselves rather than being told what to upgrade/pick.
cunning urchin
Well, I'm working on 41, okay? It's hard.
naive tusk
At least, that’s my way of playing: my way.
cunning urchin
It's your way of letting others play, technically.
raw violet
you'd need to get to 45 in order to shift the list
dry ember
I think watching people play the game also help, but only when you hit a wall
Explore by yourself, then watch vids
cunning urchin
Maybe once I can get past Lernie on 41 we can start talking about 45 lol.
dry ember
Good luck.
naive tusk
Why are you making 41 heat attempts now? 😮
raw violet
once i'm done farming darkness i'll make a stab at it
but i have not had much success either prior
dry ember
Why? Not like you can use mirror with Routine Inspection
raw violet
i just want to finish all my upgrades
cunning urchin
Because I need to rep Malphon, and the highest yet is only 40.
I have good luck, but Lernie has head slams. Head slams don't care for my luck.
raw violet
take a break from high heat runs
dry ember
Fair enough
raw violet
explore other weapons and aspects
dry ember
Although running at really high heat makes 32 runs seem less intimidating
It's still really hard
raw violet
explore different mirror upgrades
dry ember
It's like weighted training
raw violet
yeah, everything feels relative
once you get past the initial shock, things get easier and less intimidating
sudden dagger
I feel like giving bouldy nectar would be pointless
dry ember
You get a small buff
sudden dagger
But the game has never steered me wrong before
dry ember
For the run duration
raw violet
nothing pointless about a 2% ambiguity buff
cunning urchin
No core boons with only TD2 felt like a breeze earlier. Fun and relaxing.
sudden dagger
Really? Never noticed that
dry ember
Yeah it's called Bouldy believe in you or something
It gives you more damage or damage mitigation or a bit more gold
You can check it in the boon list
raw violet
i'm also using darkness runs to get my times down but i think i'm mostly done with that
sudden dagger
Wow cool! I'm going to max everyone else out first though :p
raw violet
yeah, it takes not just good rng, but also good early rng
i made the mistake of committing to a bow darkness run
epic artemis attack + dash
early twin
dry ember
I had Epic Heartbreak Strike and TS for bow on the 2 gold room
naive tusk
Bouldy giving you 7% damage mitigation is OP 
raw violet
rerolled every chaos once off of epic dash strikes on to darkness buff
dry ember
But not sub 12
cunning urchin
I never do specifically Darkness farming runs.
raw violet
still got a pb but if I had committed, i think that run would been around 12
i still have a lot of rerolls left to unlock
even though they're not even really necessary
cunning urchin
I either experiment with fun build ideas or try high heat with Malphon.
dry ember
Pick Routine Inspection and you don't have to worry about upgrades
raw violet
also, i needed that great hall fountain
dry ember
The great equalizer
raw violet
i do use RI for high heat
cunning urchin
@naive tusk any good Talos ideas?
naive tusk
Whyy you want to make me suffer? 
raw violet
i still think the only good talos idea is what you had before
hunting blades/bliz shot
cunning urchin
I want it to be good. And I don't want to write it off without really figuring it out.
naive tusk
I rarely play Talod so I can’t say for sure. Uhm... I’ve been told Ares/Aphrodite Special work well on that...
cunning urchin
I also want to be able to give good feedback on it.
raw violet
you're the self-proclaimed malphon expert so maybe you've got some experimenting to do
naive tusk
There are also new boons expected (according to the promo) so Talos might get more options 🤷
cunning urchin
Um, I've never once called myself anything of the sort. 
dry ember
Yeah, actually
raw violet
Because I need to rep Malphon, and the highest yet is only 40.
@cunning urchin close enough
cunning urchin
I think there are plenty of people who have a better shot at doing that.
naive tusk
Hmm... How about Crush Shot Talos? Since you pull them to you
dry ember
Like me
cunning urchin
Probably not as interested, though.
raw violet
i think there's a lot of people here who are trying out stuff with malphon
cunning urchin
The pull doesn't stun. So that would be pretty risky.
naive tusk
It should
raw violet
it might be worth trying some high heat talos runs just to see if there's some different way you have to play
naive tusk
Pulls enemies in, gets punched in the face Nope.
cunning urchin
You definitely need to play different.
raw violet
is there an exact value for how long the buff lasts? feels like...3s?
cunning urchin
Yeah, because of that lol.
naive tusk
Wasn’t it 20 seconds?
cunning urchin
Wiki doesn't have a value.
naive tusk
It’s in the textbox.
raw violet
when i mess with it on skelly, the buff effect falls off pretty quickly
is it? i didn't see it
reading is hard though
naive tusk
When you hover over the “Aspect of Talos” boon.
cunning urchin
raw violet
maybe you always have to position the pull so the enemy hits a wall inbetween
which sounds really roundabout
cunning urchin
I don't think the pull goes through walls.
dry ember
Equip Shackle for that sweet 300% damage
naive tusk
Razor Shoals Talos
raw violet
definitely does
there might be a limit to it though
i haven't tested it extensively
naive tusk
Black Out Talos 
naive tusk
Hoping these ideas are enough, Nyanya
cunning urchin
Nyaanyaa*
dry ember
Just play it like Slicing Shot Archilles in reverse
naive tusk
Sorry, on mobile. I hate touchscreens...
cunning urchin
Nya is a different sound from nyaa.
dry ember
I still have no idea how to pronounce that
cunning urchin
I just do @ for names when addressing people lol.
sudden dagger
This game is a lot more stressful with death defiance :(
dry ember
Huh
sudden dagger
You have to try not to die in every chamber
Usually it's not a big deal if you die once
naive tusk
You pronounce it the same way Cerberus does 
dry ember
Woof?
cunning urchin
dry ember
Oh no
naive tusk
Oh yes
cunning urchin
O~hohohohoho!
raw violet
that's some questionable #h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
@naive tusk
naive tusk
It was a joke but I wish it could be forever pinned LOL
dry ember
Lol
naive tusk
Never forget doggo’s thesis: true word of wisdom. Athena would be proud.
dry ember
It's OK you can replace it with the link to the applet, if I ever finish it.
raw violet
replace it with my spreadsheet
naive tusk
Aaw. Take your time, Foxy 🙂
@cunning urchin you might need to update yours after next update hits 😮
cunning urchin
Probably. There are probably some things that are wrong anyway because I don't know every boon-aspect-hammer interaction.
naive tusk
It’s on the 16th?
dry ember
Yeah, I dreamt it the other day.
cunning urchin
Like, I think there are some hits that cannot crit at all? The spreadsheet just assumes everything can crit, though.
raw violet
there are?
sudden dagger
Ugh I've lost 2 death defiance already and this is only the beginning of Elysium. How is this better than stubborn defiance?
cunning urchin
Yeah, I know I've read that Explosive Return doesn't crit, for example. But I haven't verified that. Might have been in an older version, too.
dry ember
Because bosses are my bane
raw violet
DDs are probably only better if you're consistently getting through chambers without dying
dry ember
And DD solves that
raw violet
but dying to bosses a lot
cunning urchin
You can get your DDs back from wells or Patroclus.
raw violet
if it's not working for you and SD gets you more clears then what other people run shouldn't stop you
cunning urchin
Yeah, definitely.
raw violet
i guess it was my mistake for saying DD is strictly superior without saying the reason, since ultimately the reason for using one vs the other dictates
cunning urchin
Well, we have a very different perspective at this point.
sudden dagger
I spend 200 on the well. Didn't know about patroclus. SD has gotten me more clears so far but it's true that the bosses are usually what get me. DD is just forcing me to be more careful lol
It is also making me think a lot more about taking troves
dry ember
Which is a good thing to do :D
sudden dagger
They were automatic for me with SD
raw violet
sometimes mirro and pact options that make you play more carefully are better for you in the long run
sudden dagger
(I have 1 clear lol)
cunning urchin
Yeah, you focus more on learning attack patterns etc. That will help you on much higher heat where getting hit hurts a lot more with either Defiance.
raw violet
some papers are published with a n=1
cunning urchin
But using SD when that's more effective for you now is perfectly fine.
stoic thicket
Merciful End on the fists is just so good. So good.
dry ember
Yeah but have you ever had a good night sleep?
obtuse lagoon
how is it possible to deal 400 dmg with just 1 boon? is the manual reload + attack of that aspect that powerful?
dry ember
Yes
obtuse lagoon
also... why so many people open the menu right before entering the next room?
dry ember
They have tight deadline
Pausing the game pauses the timer
So you have some time to think about which room to take
obtuse lagoon
haha makes sense, thank you 🙂
dry ember
Np!
astral phoenix
Apparently you only need 3 hermes boons to get disciple of hermes as a finish card
sudden dagger
Ok fishing though. I want to get huge catch in Styx. Why? Not sure exactly. But if I get a fishing spot, can I ignore it and bank on fishing later?
sterile portal
If there is a fishing spot in Styx, and you enter one of the tunnels, upon returning to Styx there's no guarantee it's still there
cunning urchin
You can only get 3 Hermes boons. You can't get 4.
sterile portal
The second instance of Styx is a completely separate instance
sudden dagger
If I fish the first time, is it less likely that I'll see another spot, or equal
sterile portal
I believe it's equal? If I recall correctly, you need 10 rooms in between fishing spots
dry ember
You are offered 2 Hermes boons per run
sterile portal
So it should take ~2 tunnels before you have a chance to fish again
sudden dagger
This is why it's so hard to choose between Hermes and hammers
dry ember
(as in you can see multiple Hermes room, but you can only get 2 boons max out of them)
Same with Hammer
One Hermes is always available at the Styx shop
That's how you have 3
sterile portal
Also, just watched Wriste's 48 heat run
obtuse lagoon
finishing it myself!
sterile portal
I now understand what he means by maneuvering, with that final fight vs. Redacted. Running to towards the front right side before a sweep attack to only use one dash is neat.
obtuse lagoon
I've only played using the MKB, but it seems that controller is the real deal for the long ranged weapons...
the autoaim
sterile portal
It looks like he'll struggle with Damage Control with Hestia Rail, given his current strat of High Damage slow hits mixed with many opportunities to Dash.
I love MKB for bow and ranged weapons personally
cunning urchin
There's Dash and there's Dodge in the game. Better to not mix them up just to avoid any confusion.
sterile portal
ah good point
cunning urchin
Who are you talking about anyway?
sterile portal
Wriste and his high heat runs
obtuse lagoon
the one published in #self-promotion, right?
sterile portal
Note: I am nowhere near high heat so my judgement can be taken with a pile of salt
obtuse lagoon
(pile of salt xD)
sterile portal
Yeah that's the one @obtuse lagoon
obtuse lagoon
I'm waiting for the performance improvements, my actions take roughly 1sec to happen when I reach Elyssium...
sterile portal
I don't have problems with performance improvements, I just go through enemies slower in Elysium cause I'm bad
cunning urchin
I'd say just ask him if you're unsure about something he says or does.
Chaos Gates and shops can help a lot with TD in Elysium.
sterile portal
Is elysium just longer than the other areas?/
obtuse lagoon
charonte's attack extra dmg?
sterile portal
Tart takes 4 minutes or less, and Asphodel is variable just because I'm learning lernie
weak moat
was I summoned
cunning urchin
@obtuse lagoon not buying anything from the wells, just going for the shop when you see it in the next room to effectively skip a chamber. Saves a lot of time because you skip all the fighting you'd be doing in the other chamber.
weak moat
ah, right, I guess the short answer is Hestia rail doesn't use damage control
sterile portal
Mostly just talking about if you intend to keep using Hestia Rail/Excalibur you may struggle going up heats against DC2 and TD2. Though Excalibur may be possible given massive thicc boi swings
obtuse lagoon
@obtuse lagoon not buying anything from the wells, just going for the shop when you see it in the next room to effectively skip a chamber. Saves a lot of time because you skip all the fighting you'd be doing in the other chamber.
@cunning urchin dully noted! thank you 🙂
sterile portal
I'd imagine 55 heat is the max possible for now
weak moat
unfortunately with the existence of damage control certain levels of heat will be impossible
with certain weapons
sterile portal
Is damage control or calisthenics program worse with TD?
I'd imagine damage control as it fully locks out certain weapons
weak moat
depends. we basically always take TD. Calisthenics is real rough as well
sterile portal
ex: hestia unless you're somehow rapid fire washing away shields on enemies
weak moat
it's usually not any one of them by themselves though
calisthenics might be doable, but combining calisthenics with too much jury summons might make it nearly impossible
sterile portal
That's a good point
weak moat
I say nearly because there's plenty of room for alternative playstyles to develop
sterile portal
I do think that everything but Routine Inspection 4 is possible
sterile portal
RI4 just requires such a higher skill level than most people have currently
Just don't get hit of course
weak moat
that's the next real challenge
I think I'm confident enough in my one-dash hades fight to do it at RI3. but RI4 is another beast
since it's not just the hades fight but the whole run
sterile portal
I saw those one dashes and movement tricks on his sweep, it was beautiful
weak moat
thanks
although unfortunately the 48 heat victory had 2 dashes, so I didn't get to showcase the fight as much
sterile portal
Yeah but you did have at least one point of moving to his front right to only use one dash on sweep
which is neat ngl
dry ember
Agreed. How unfortunate that made it looks easy
cunning urchin
CP2 affects Malphon a whole lot more than DC2. For other aspects it can be the other way around.
dry ember
Smh should have tried more heat
cunning urchin
Wow, such evil language in our wholesome server.
weak moat
yeah tons of redacted's moves can be avoided by movement alone
sterile portal
That's true nyaa, faster weapons struggle less with CP2, while slower struggle more with DC2
weak moat
his basic thrust and skull toss can all be avoided just by strafing
sterile portal
My best guess is practice using excalibur with FO2, and take advantage of big boi swings and crits to sweep away DC2 AND CP2
weak moat
the problem with DC is that even if you can deal with them, the time required is too high
for certain weapons
sterile portal
I can imagine
sterile portal
Obviously best would just be poison
but without poison luck, i'd imagine certain weapons need other tactics
cunning urchin
What about Excalibur + Blizzard Shot?
weak moat
not sure if we even need excalibur if we have blizzard shot
cunning urchin
Possibly, but you'd get all the perks from its aura + Blizzard Shot.
weak moat
then there's the matter of getting blizzard shot
would require intense luck or aggressive mapping
weak moat
yeah
not sure if cast build hits any super high heat
might hit some decent ones, depending on the settings though
raw violet
to a degree, degrand's run is practically a cast build
weak moat
was it?
raw violet
if you wanna count getting scintillating feast
weak moat
ohh, I'd forgotten
sterile portal
Is nemesis sword any good at high heats? I'd assume it's slightly less damage but more crits than Excalibur
raw violet
on a dio special chaos build lol
sterile portal
But it hits faster so DC2 may be a non-issue
weak moat
I have no idea about nemesis sword
sterile portal
I mean hey if you can just pick up ice win + scint it's not that bad
sand cape
what strategy goes well on the rail?
raw violet
my 32 nemesis runs took off DC
i thought it would hurt more than help
you're too committed during attacks, at least for me
cunning urchin
46+ is cute anyway, but have you tried TD2 no core boons? The girl who did that must be amazing.
I bet she's like, super nice and stuff.
main osprey
Nyaa!! Congrats on the run! I'll watch it when I'm a bit more awake, but I'm thrilled that you had fun doing it ^.^
weak moat
@sand cape depends on what you're asking. Good boons? spreadfire is a great hammer. Hestia is real fun too with almost any good percentage damage boon
cunning urchin
She would stream sometimes if her internet didn't die within 5~30 min of starting a stream lately.
sand cape
does zeus bolts proc on each of its attacks?
cunning urchin
@main osprey thanks! Yeah, it was fun and relaxing.
main osprey
Woohoo :D I'm gonna give it another go later today (trying it at 3 am when I was sleepy was probably not the best idea)
dry ember
does zeus bolts proc on each of its attacks?
Yes
cunning urchin
I only really stream so my best friend can watch me play anyway. Don't really care for streaming popularity lol. I also tend to interact 0 with anyone else who watches.
wicked wyvern
literally just almost lost all 3 lives in elysium just fighting the spear ninjas with my own spear
cant even get close to em without them ganging up and tearing you to shreds
poseidon's trial didnt help
obtuse lagoon
did u use the special to deal with them?
cunning urchin
Longspears have a better spear moveset than Zagreus.
dry ember
Long spears are basically ranged enemies
wicked wyvern
I did but it slows you down
dry ember
Don't be fooled
cunning urchin
So does every spear user enemy, really.
Taught by Master Achilles, though, I guess.
sterile portal
Long spears are just bow users
weak moat
every weapon is a bow if you think about it
wicked wyvern
as if I want a poseidon boon now
dry ember
The exalted are fallen heroes
sterile portal
Exalted are just failed runs
dry ember
Makes sense their fighting style is similar to Achilles
cunning urchin
Apparently better than his student.
dry ember
Idk, I think I'm p good
sterile portal
Fox you haven't done 55 heat yet I don't see you beating elysium strats any time soon
dry ember
I did 57
cunning urchin
@main osprey good luck! Hopefully my recording will be helpful.
naive tusk
(I wonder if I'm one of doggo's friends probably not)
naive tusk
Spread the love, like how Lady Aphrodite does
main osprey
I've started watching it @cunning urchin , so far I've already learned one thing.
I could definitely be playing on TD xD
turbid arch
@dry ember Insane 57 heat run! You must have had insane RNG to get Chaos legendary 3 times for you to have death defiances there!
main osprey
rocket every time
dry ember
Hammer
wicked wyvern
ok
wicked wyvern
is that the one that stuns them?
dry ember
Enemies in the blast zone of your special have -75% (?) movement speed
dry ember
Yeah
wicked wyvern
I had that on my first run
dry ember
Not sure on the 75% figure exactly
wicked wyvern
havent seen it since
dry ember
But it's substantial
raw violet
fox's 57 run is dedicated to all those still looking for the chaos prophecy
dry ember
Didn't even bother to use all companion charges
Maybe I will
IF PERSONAL LIABILITY IS A THING
sterile portal
Man what a legend 57 heat foxy
dry ember
Thank you! Y'all are so kind.
sterile portal
doesn't hellmode offer 5 more heat?
tepid trail
sry bot
cunning urchin
Hell mode just starts on 5 heat, and offers 1 more heat than normal with Personal Liability.
cunning urchin
Nice run, congrats!
tepid trail
thanks !
tepid trail
TD? what is that?
tepid trail
well alright ill try it
tepid trail
mmm infernal gates always is fun
cunning urchin
Maybe it's time for a TD3.
dry ember
Timer doesn't pause when you pause the game
tepid trail
what
dry ember
For like 1 heat
tepid trail
ah
wicked wyvern
triple bomb with the special rail gun that gives bonus damage from grenades = ❤️
sterile portal
I like TD2 as is
wicked wyvern
oml
delicate nimbus
TD2 is too hard, especially with random saytr sacks
There should be a mechanism to earn back time somehowe because it's always nerve racking and not fun to run out the clock
cunning urchin
Too hard on what heat?
I did TD2 with no core boons and the sack in tunnel 5 today.
dry ember
On any heat tbh
cunning urchin
I think TD2 is fine.
dry ember
I agree TD2 is fine. Although that doesn't mean it can't be improved.
cunning urchin
If there's no risk to it, there's no point in having the pact.