Yeah, but at least it's not silence. 
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
turbid arch
Well, allow me to rephrase:
sly sonnet
Does anybody have a nice image for refference on which pacts to do when giving 32 heat a shot
I know its probbably weapon based too
I am nowhere close to 32 but I still want to give it a shot
turbid arch
Unless it is in #announcements, I do not consider it official enough to be taken at face value.
@sly sonnet How exactly you tailor it is up to you, but especially for starters, I highly suggest turning ON faster enemies and tight deadline
and turning OFF extra enemies and extra HP.
narrow halo
How can i get roles ?
sly sonnet
I see, thanks !
kindred bolt
niko you can pick whatever you are most comfortable with, i personally make the game harder without losing the hp regen thing and i went with companion shady for some heals, pick the timer but only 9 minutes, 7 is pushing it
turbid arch
The latter two will artificially make the run take much longer and make it more dangerous
cunning urchin
Take one heat off Hard Labor, and you have what pacts I cleared 32 heat with. https://imgur.com/a/pOJq81C
sly sonnet
Oh thanks
untold vortex
?rank <role> in the #bot-commands channel split, the roles availible are pinned in the channel
fast shardBOT
That rank doesn't exist.
earnest ravine
thank you, bot
cunning urchin
I recommend you avoid running into Bruiser Snakestones because they will single-handedly ruin your hopes and dreams for that run.
turbid arch
I agree.
I remember that one very high heated run attempt that I had where I was like
"This might be it, this is looking decent, I can do this!"
And then the very first Styx Room had 5 of those tanky Scumbag Stones
And just like that, all of my hopes and dreams were crushed.
Took like 2 and a half minutes to just get me out of that hallway, lost 2'ish DDs along the way.
If I would not have had Athenas Wrath effect on that attempt, that room would have been the place where I died.
cunning urchin
Yes! That was my run, too. 3 minutes for that tunnel, and I lost 2 DDs.
narrow halo
How can i avoid them ?
cunning urchin
One of them was hugging a trap and getting hit by every blade trap, and it still took forever to die.
turbid arch
You can't. See, the problem is not only that they deal a lot of damage and are tanky because of the Benefits Package
They are also very likely to just sit over a spot where you cannot reach them.
For me, it was the room with the superlarge gap in the middle
cunning urchin
OMG.
wide plover
hestia rail is pretty fun, though I can see how you can get tired clicking reload every shot
cunning urchin
At least I didn't have that. Got to Hades with 3 minutes left, but I didn't have DDs and not that much HP, so it didn't work out.
narrow halo
Yes if it was the sp butten would be better
turbid arch
Well no, I did not go that far
Because
and this is the real punchline
Second Hallway lead me all the way
to tiny vermin
Styx Room RNG is some grade-a garbage and I hate it
cunning urchin
At least it was Tiny Vermin and not more Bruiser Snakestones.
turbid arch
I don't remember if I made it through that fight or not, but I am sure that at that point, the tight deadline was already deep enough for making victory an impossible task.
That is probably just one of the many super frustrating aspects of doing very high heated runs. So much comes down to RNG.
Not even just the regular "Oh I hope I get good boons!" stuff
cunning urchin
Benefits Package is very RNG heavy.
turbid arch
Fast Shield Heroes with extra damage HNNNNNG
granite steeple
I’m having trouble on the king and bull boss fight. I’m slowly learning Asterius’s moveset, but still get hit by some of his axe swings. But what’s really messing me up is his charge attack, which chunks like 20+ damage. I can anticipate but have no idea how to avoid. I’ve tried dashing around pillars and dashing towards him or slightly to the side and he just seems to 180 turn and slam me every time. A few times I’ve seen him crash into a wall and stun himself, but that seems like a poor way to deal with it because with how quickly things happen I have to be lucky and be right next to a wall when he charges. What are some consistent ways others have been able to handle it? Thanks in advanced!
lusty cipher
It's taken me a lot of runs to finally figure out the bull but i find that if you dash straight through a pillar at the last possible moment he won't have time to turn and move around it.
median panther
Well I'd say depends on what weapon you have
lusty cipher
i still mess up a lot though
median panther
But I'd say, tackle the bull as if it was a dark souls boss
that is
Dash in, get a few hits, dash the hell out
If you don't get overconfident you can kill him pretty fast by chipping a few hits away from him at a time
pretty fast to the point of "oh? didn't realize he had so little health left"
granite steeple
I’ll keep at it, I think my last couple runs I was missing out on DPS and couldn’t take him down fast enough. I’ll also try messing with some late dodge through the pillar. Thanks for advice!
cunning urchin
Does Patroclus have a lower chance of appearing when you actually need him? I literally never see him on 32+ when I'm low on DDs. 
Yeah, for Asterius's run attack either dash through a pillar or deflect him.
true pilot
Patroclus' spawn rate is 33.3% per active Death Defiance. *totally legit*
cunning urchin
That sounds too high.
cunning urchin
I'm so lucky that I get to sacrifice one of the many many boons I've found. https://imgur.com/a/9pq1bah
dry ember
Is it happening?
cunning urchin
I guess it's between Heartbreak Flourish and Hunter Dash out of these four. I have a Chaos Boon for +78% Dash-Strike damage.
cunning urchin
I guess it's easier to find something semi-decent on Special.
dry ember
I really hope it happens
cunning urchin
Thanks!
On my last run I had "no DDs showing up anywhere" RNG. I even went and checked every tunnel lol.
dry ember
You have Athena. Could save you there.
earnest ravine
You can still do this!
cunning urchin
0 DDs.
They really need to fix those cure wells in Styx.
ded
I considered them bugged. 80% of the time they don't work.
cunning urchin
A lot bigger.
cunning urchin
That's what I'm talking about. The interaction zone is way too small.
dry ember
I swear to God I dreamt about facing a boss in Hades yesterday.
cunning urchin
And the poison darts are almost impossible to deflect with attacks.
dry ember
I use audio cues for the poison
I can't actually see them
Also if not Acorn I use Spearpoint for Styx
That thing is really solid
cunning urchin
I can have Divine Strike on Zagreus Aspect with Heroic Swift Strike, hold Attack down, and 9 out of 10 times the poison dart will go through and hit me lol.
dry ember
I think the Satyrs should 3 darts at once
Not sure how big the deflect zone of the fist is or what distance you were away from the thing
cunning urchin
Some shoot 3 in a spread pattern, some shoot 1. From what I can tell.
cunning urchin
Yeah.
dry ember
Sounds fair enough
cunning urchin
Malphon deflects every other projectile in the game easily by just holding down Attack—except Hades's skulls which also have a tiny hurtbox.
gaunt tundra
i've seen darts go though the gun's bullets to hit me
even when shooting straight to that same satyr
that's how tiny the hitbox of those darts is
cunning urchin
I'm starting to believe 9 out of 10 just straight up don't have a hurtbox.
dry ember
It wouldn't be too bad if the Elite ones aren't so tanky
Bruiser Speedsters Satyrs
shudder
cunning urchin
The Giant Rats are worse, though.
Especially the bruiser ones. By the time that armor is gone, the entire floor in the room is poison.
cunning urchin
Those bites aren't telegraphed.
dry ember
But sometimes it do be what it is
cunning urchin
That miniboss one hit that comes with the big Satyr hit me for . . .
I don't even know how much.
cunning urchin
The big Satyr and big Giant Rat in this room: https://imgur.com/a/wZugG9S
dry ember
Ah k
cunning urchin
I'm pretty sure I still had like half HP, rat spawns, boom lost a DD.
I can't even tell you what hit me, my HP was just gone lol.
dry ember
Git Gud
cunning urchin
No.
I'm just gonna keep trying until I get a run with Divine Strike and Divine Dash by Styx again. I don't wanna git gud. :(
dry ember
TD?
cunning urchin
Bruiser Snakestones.
dry ember
Lul
dry ember
Hey tbf I could have cleared 32 more than once. After the first, I made it to Hades 3 times in a row and died to TD.
cunning urchin
But that was 32 heat. 32 is for the weak.
dry ember
Maybe TD isn't free
cunning urchin
I do 33.
cunning urchin
TD or not, Bruiser Snakestones are broken lol.
Also, you should upvote my feedback, so they hopefully delete them from the game.
dry ember
I don't see no feedback
How can I downvote it?
Nvm found it
Lol I'll bite and upvote it but I can feel the salt from here
Haha
true pilot
Bruiser by itself is probably the most problematic BP proc.
cunning urchin
5000+ HP with half of that being armor should not be a thing. I shouldn't need 3x longer to take down a room with some Snakestones when I'm attacking non-stop than I need to take down the King and the Bull when dodging.
earnest ravine
Honestly, the fact that it takes several minutes to kill one of a mob wiith one of the highest damage combos in the game is a little ridiculous.
true pilot
Bruiser Numbskulls? Hell. Bruiser pots? I hope you like walking in landmines. Bruiser Brimstones? X_X.
earnest ravine
At first when I encountered that benefits package, I thought it was just my build being really bad or weaker than I thought, but hearing Nyaanyaa's build that prompted the Feedback post? Yeah, that's kind of a LOT.
true pilot
With BP2, Bruiser+Anything is literally the worst possible combo.
true pilot
Which, if we want, we can turn up Calisthenics.
cunning urchin
It's hit 1-2 times and run away because you can't stunlock them or burst through the armor when you can.
dry ember
And hence a way to nullify the buff
With Bruiser you automatically get "hit" by the buff
Since you are time limited with TD.
The more you spend killing something, the more it "hits" you.
earnest ravine
Yeah. So I don't think it's fully salt and what salt there is is pretty well deserved. It scales ridiculously on the later mobs, to the point where you can do nothing about it no matter how much damage you have. On the early ones, too, but that's less of an issue because it's early in a run anyway and their HP values are lower to begin with.
dry ember
Ok the salt comment I was facetious
earnest ravine
Ah. Okay, sorry, it's pretty early and tone on the net is hard.
dry ember
I do attempt high heat runs and understand the pain
Yeah I get it.
We tease each other sometimes.
Also I upvoted it so there is that :D
cunning urchin
You could do low heat with just BP, and they would be just as bad.
dry ember
Bruiser is overtuned
cunning urchin
I'm actually always quite serious, but it's nice to know you're only teasing.
dry ember
Nyaanyaa meanmean more like
cunning urchin
Slander.
dry ember
I'm actually always quite serious, but it's nice to know you're only teasing.
Slander
Pick one
cunning urchin
False dilemma.
dry ember
Fallacy fallacy
fierce oracle
I like how my 11 old intel PCU (e5200) can hold game on 50-60 fps.
dry ember
Say that to my RX580
fierce oracle
And so does pyre and bastion
What wrong with rx580? i have gtx660
i also buyed it this year
dry ember
My game runs at 30 fps ish
fierce oracle
so new version of game will be soon yea?
cunning urchin
Yeah, sometime in June is the plan.
dry ember
No one knows any better than that
cunning urchin
The Fates do.
dry ember
Stop being so fatalistic
dry ember
Shhh
fierce oracle
aren't they gonna change hydra?
neon fiber
Don’t worry that’ll change when you start using EM
fierce oracle
i just don't like hydra at all
neon fiber
Use EM2
fierce oracle
i can understand other bosses
stoic thicket
Yup, EM2 screws everyone equally.
neon fiber
That solves your complains with the hydra
cunning urchin
What's giving you trouble with melee vs Hydra?
stoic thicket
My best guess would be that a lot is happening simultaneously and it can be a pain to coordinate attacking and not getting hit by seven different things.
dry ember
All of the head except for the orange one has very, and I mean very bad, melee attacks.
You can just focus on one head and dodge projectiles. don't worry too much about the melee attacks
You have a lot more space that way.
fierce oracle
I can't do damage to heads without taking it
if my attacks are not buffed with athena
becoz only i do is dodge
dry ember
Ok so my approach is that I tank the melee hits of the non-orange head
I focus on dodging projectiles
And stay on top of the head
Non pact melee does between 7 and 9 damage
And the non orange heads use it very rarely
You can kill a head quickly and give yourself space if you don't mind getting hit by melee attacks, which are weak anyway.
fierce oracle
ok, i am wrong about hydra, just for me 3 area bosses are easier when i play melee
stoic thicket
No, Hydra can be depending on the build if not harder than at the very least more annoying than the heroes.
dry ember
Huh. No one can tell you your feeling about a boss is wrong.
I'm just trying to help. Sorry if I sound pedantic.
cunning urchin
Well, melee basically gives up range for DPS. Some enemies will naturally be harder because of that.
There's nothing wrong with using Divine Strike, either, if that works best for you. I use that on Malphon on 32+ heat.
fierce oracle
a lot of things are punishing melee, especially with mitts on attack speed build
i will use it
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect will make the Hydra easier than Zagreus Aspect. You can take out a head with one buffed Uppercut or a couple normal attacks + one buffed Uppercut.
Divine Strike or Divine Dash is practically a requirement for Malphon on high heat, in my opinion.
cunning urchin
You can make a Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish build or Divine Strike + Hunter Dash.
And try to get Deadly Reversal.
dry ember
I'm partial to Lightning Strike and Divine Dash
With Splitting Bolt as the cherry on top
cunning urchin
It's nice, but it doesn't have Duo synergy.
dry ember
You don't need duo for that I don't think
But it's kinda dependent on splitting.bolt for high heat.
cunning urchin
Easier to get a Duo than a Legendary. More chances to see the right gods.
hoary onyx
Ares has the best boons
tepid ridge
That’s... arguable imo, but cool that you’re having luck with him!
angry yelling boon acceptance noise
cunning urchin
@oblique arch this is from @dry ember when he cleared 57. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/714491744850542635
dry ember
It's legit
cunning urchin
To be fair, Chaos Aspect with Merciful End is quite possibly how that will be cleared if ever lol.
naive tusk
Hello everyone 
dry ember
Hola
raw violet
The likelihood of being able to get a duo boon with all the rng pact options seems pretty stacked against you
dry ember
Routing solved all things bad
Also I have a demo for the Boon Progression applet
Currently only working for Aphrodite and Ares
I'll try to fix some UI problems and deploy a proof of concept tomorrow. I'm delivering guys :D
cunning urchin
It's enough if it works for Lady Aphrodite. The others are not as important.
@naive tusk hello go upvote my feedback we must get those evil bruiser snakestones deleted hello hello.
dry ember
Begging for upboats, shameless
cunning urchin
#downwithbruisersnakestones
dry ember
Peach just disappeared lol
cunning urchin
@dry ember that's Princess HeartfulPeach to you, commoner. 🔫 
naive tusk
Sees Zag being happy about Meg dying Wot
I am doing something, sorry for not paying attention XD
I will post it here. I will just say it was inspired by the doggo's 57 heat run
naive tusk
The bruiser snakestones are the green floating snakey thingies that shoot 3 lasers at you, right? Not the giant purple one, right?
Still hasn't learned all their names yet
cunning urchin
Yeah, not the purple miniboss version.
naive tusk
Aah, okay.
cunning urchin
Just the 5000+ effective HP—much of which is armor—Bruiser Snakestones.
The real final boss of the game.
naive tusk
Uhm... I haven't had too much trouble killing them. I think the Satyrs and the Big Rats have way more armor than them though 
Unless you have Jury Summons then they become a pain XD
Avoiding 12 lasers from different places is not gucci
cunning urchin
The Satyrs and Giant Rats die way faster.
Are you sure you got the ones with the Bruiser perk from BP?
naive tusk
Well, I'm going to upvote it anyways in hopes that Styx' armored enemies get a check or something lol
The devs will go like "these noobs" 👀
"
naive tusk
Oooooohh! You should have mentioned that from the beginning! I have stopped using BP ever since that dreadful soft-lock I had... shivers
Yeh, I just read the "Bruiser" part. I'm so dumb 
Bruiser perk gives them absurds amount of armor, true.
cunning urchin
Every single one of them took more hits than Theseus or probably Asterius, too.
naive tusk
I 100% agree on that 👍
Bruiser should make them like a mini-mini-boss, not like a better-boss 😂
cunning urchin
Yeah lol.
stoic thicket
BP is certainly interesting, that much is for certain.
mighty ermine
Avoiding 12 lasers from different places is not gucci
words of peach wisdom to live by
dry ember
Bruiser BP isn't
naive tusk
🐰 : "Knock it over, Fox!"
dry ember
Wut
cunning urchin
I didn't even bother trying to avoid lasers. I had no time for such things.
naive tusk
She had Mewmew Special on
cunning urchin
Can't deflect lasers lol.
3 minutes and 2 DDs for a non-elite tunnel when I was non-stop attacking.
naive tusk
Oof, the gamble!
cunning urchin
Well, it was non-stop attack or probably die in that tunnel from TD2 before they go down.
(The first tunnel.)
naive tusk
Ngl, Foxy's screenshot is so blurry 😂
Hm.... I think I will have better luck with a screenshot of mine and just call it one of Foxy's runs
dry ember
MSPaint is one hell of a drug lol
cunning urchin
Shouldn't all the mirror talents be turned off on the victory screen?
For max heat.
dry ember
Lmao you really think I would spend more effort than what I gave for a silly joke?
delicate nimbus
He unlocked the special "free heat" option that lets him bypass certain heat resitrcitoins
dry ember
I had to take the 57 heat pact for a run
That's too much work already lol
Also what Turbo Cop said
Pro players get Exclusive Access pacts.
cunning urchin
I think I've made it clear that I expect nothing from you.
naive tusk
That's yours, not mine XD
dry ember
No no that's yours
naive tusk
I just used your joke screencap
magic dagger
Wow congrats Heartful Peach on reposting someone else's max heat clear
naive tusk
OMG
dry ember
Although I'm gonna save it anyhow
naive tusk
Just don't go be fooling anyone else around XD
rugged estuary
oooof
naive tusk
BTW It's a screen edit!
dry ember
Did you crop you the 5 and the 7 from the timer?
naive tusk
Not an actual 57 clear. I will be deleting it now lol
magic dagger
This is an obvious fraud, foxhope posted a 100% definitely identical and legit screenshot earlier.
naive tusk
Yeah, I was saying how I would edit it earlier 🙂
dry ember
Lmao I gonna keep my original one, so I don't have to say it's fake
The joke should tell itself
cunning urchin
@naive tusk congrats! Now do it again but with the mirror talents off because the pact turns them off.
naive tusk
I cropped the 57 from one of my Victory screens since there was a 57 already on it, just had to recolor it because the quality was different.
rugged estuary
I just beat thanatos 87/0. There should be an achievement for that.
naive tusk
And yeah, better to keep the other one. People will sure get confused
dry ember
Yeah I'm saving yours for funsies
magic dagger
good job tomagethericon
dry ember
But if this is a running joke imma post the original one.
magic dagger
banatos deserves no kills
naive tusk
Yeah, the original serves better. I really did waste time but I just wanted to see if I could make it look like an original one XD
dry ember
I said it before but Than, either show up in Elysium and save me from TD, or don't show at all.
Time you enjoyed wasting isn't wasted.
fierce oracle
Guys, if i wanna suggest a skin shop mechanics for darkness, where to i write in?
in suggestions or feedback
dry ember
Probably the same place feedbacks are?
Sugesstion is closed
You can't even if you want to
raw violet
you do get a victory screen title for denying thanatos any kills
dry ember
#bot-commands and read the pins
You need to do ? Early Access I think
You can also get colored names
Which is the best
rugged estuary
@raw violet oh, sweet
@dry ember Really? I like than in tartarus, hes just a free health up there
fierce oracle
ty
dry ember
Np lalmen
cunning urchin
Check the pins in #hades-feedback for posting rules in the channel before you submit your feedback.
raw violet
technically, Thanatos is free health anywhere
dry ember
Tomaga Tartarus Than is a waste imo. I never lose to Than so health is free
But in Elysium I also get a free room.
As for the "don't show up at all part" I find him to be a hassle
So I don't want to go through the fight for the free health
cunning urchin
@dry ember that's why I only tell people to check the pins and don't tell them the bot command. Because they never read the rules if you tell them . . .
If they have to read the pinned message, at least there's a chance . . .
dry ember
Fair enough
wide plover
what're good poseidon builds? I tried zag rail with attack + sea storm, but it was bad even with flurry fire
magic dagger
splash dash all the waay
dry ember
The general consensus is... none of them
magic dagger
you don't need anything else
rupture helps, and sea storm helps, but just drop all of your poms into splash dash and it's a free win
assuming no-low heat
raw violet
poseidon is #1 for material farming
wide plover
what about blizzard shot?
raw violet
yes
cunning urchin
Blizzard Shot is an S tier cast build.
wide plover
cool, I'll try it out then
cunning urchin
I'm not familiar with good Poseidon builds beyond Blizzard Shot. I think @turbid arch has some knowledge about good Poseidon builds, though. Maybe they can help you. (I'd be interested to hear it, too.)
median panther
Blizzard Shot is an S tier cast build.
@cunning urchin is there an actual tier list or something somewhere?
cunning urchin
Nope. It's just very obviously top tier.
dry ember
Don't think so. Any list will be torn apart by dissenters though.
Like even with things like Spreadfire
People still have widely different opinions
#buffspreadfire
cunning urchin
Any cast build that can kill bosses in literal seconds is S tier.
delicate nimbus
Blizzard shot is only truly great because it does so much boosted damage. If they reduced the damage in half it wouldn't be that good
It's just got super overtuned numbers
main osprey
That's...that's how things being strong works? :3
cunning urchin
And Blizzard Shot can kill bosses in seconds.
delicate nimbus
Eh, well it's like... anything could be powerful with bigger numbers
main osprey
I've never done that much damage with a bliz shot :(
magic dagger
so for blizzard shot, you want to be point-blank, right?
delicate nimbus
Yeah I've chunked the final boss down with 2 blizz shots before lol
I've actually found like a short-medium range to be ideal so that the ice flourishes from the cast hit too
I'm not a pro player though
delicate nimbus
blizz shot: S A B or F tier?
dry ember
F tier next question
delicate nimbus
ah ty
cunning urchin
You don't need to be point-blank for it. It's so slow, you can pre-cast a bunch when bosses are invincible, and your casts will kill them virtually instantaneously when they become vulnerable.
median panther
F tier next question
@dry ember do you think Theseus goes up to the Elyssium Mcdonalds Cashier and goes "he said no pickles" for asterius or do you think it's the other way around
cunning urchin
Aiming at fast moving enemies is a bit harder. But you can spread out a bunch and make the floor a giant Blizzard Shot hit zone.
delicate nimbus
Asterius is a big boy if anything it's theseus who can't get the order fixed
dry ember
@median panther They go to a nearby Chick fil A and order chickens. Asterius doesn't eat no cow.
delicate nimbus
Uh I mean
you can be polite and get the order right
This is an american thing I'm pretty sure lol
dry ember
Yeah being rude at a McDonald's is a little American haha
main osprey
mostly just the old people, and Theseus is pretty old
dry ember
🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
cunning urchin
Theseus would order for the two of them—without ever asking Asterius what he actually wants.
You think Theseus would give up an opportunity to speak?
turbid arch
Did someone just refer to me as they? I am Legion for I am many!
Poseidon is as straight forward as it gets.
Get a knock up boon, get his debuff, get Typhons fury, get Breaking Wave
and you are free to break the game.
Bonus points if you also get sea storm on top of it and some Jolted action as a bonus
cunning urchin
Well, I don't know your gender, and you don't have a role for it.
turbid arch
Even more bonus points if you have a weapon with naturally decent knock back. I think you can get some insane shield attack builds with it.
We have Gender Roles?
cunning urchin
We do.
dry ember
You don't know mine either, you just assume I'm a dude.
main osprey
We must break the gender roles!
turbid arch
I actually said "We have Gender Roles?" like I'd assume a certain Zaeed Massani would have done if his voice actor was still alive.
cunning urchin
Who?
raw violet
constantly crossing out your posts for no reason makes it painful to read
raw violet
everyone knows you're a dude, fox. all dogs are boys and all cats a girls.
main osprey
But
turbid arch
Crossout guy got a point though. Pos/Dem/Zeus and Dio/Zeus/Dem cast runs are among the most hilarious and probably strongest a run can get
main osprey
Foxes??
raw violet
easy math
dry ember
Got me there
turbid arch
oh yeah, on top of what I said earlier:
You can also just put the entire Poseidon engine on your cast and/or your dash and just have all the good stuff in decent quality without having to worry about your weapon.
If you get it on the cast, you open yourself up to the already mentioned blizzard shot goodness as well.
That being said, Blizzard Shot all by itself is already a run on its own.
cunning urchin
What weapons do you think work poorly with Tempest Strike or Flourish if any?
turbid arch
It is surprisingly hilarious on the rail attack. I was sceptic about that, but it works surprisingly well. Not a big fan on Rail Special though.
main osprey
Fists maybe, except for Talos because of the special
turbid arch
Knock around enemies with it makes for...unpredictable accidents of the unhappy kind.
cunning urchin
I never get Poseidon builds to work well with Malphon, personally.
main osprey
Try spamming special on Talos
turbid arch
I would also HIGHLY suggest against going Poseidon attack on Guan Yu.
main osprey
The first hit of damage doesn't proc the knockback, so they get, as someone else once said, yanked and yeeted
turbid arch
You do want enemies to be in your swirly charged attack to heal, not knock enemies out of it.
Poseidon with Guan Yu is a bad idea in general.
same for Excalibur. You want enemies in your safezone, not knocked out of it.
cunning urchin
That actually sounds hilariously bad lol. On Guan Yu.
raw violet
poseidon special on guan yu is not terrible
dry ember
I thought with GY special is your main damage tool?
main osprey
I don't think so
turbid arch
I mean, it depends on your playstyle. All by itself, no, but if you want to use your attack, you can't follow it up with Poseidon special for the same reason
Depends on your playstyle.
If you have Athena Attack on Guan Yu, there is no reason not to spam it.
You'll be semi-invincible because the swirl deflects so much
dry ember
Hmm I actually theorycrafted Poseidon Excalibur for attacks
turbid arch
Careful with Brimstones and Snake Scumbags though
dry ember
For spacing purposes
raw violet
well, if you have a good guan yu special build, you'll have no reason to spam spin
turbid arch
Here is the thing:
If you get the entire Poseidon Engine, it almost does not matter what weapon you use.
You will fly through Styx.
Styx will become the butter and you'll be a hot knife.
Stuff will die
in the blink of an eye
turbid arch
Poseidon also destroys Tartarus, if you get the good stuff early
and for bosses, you have to play around a bit with your positioning.
Taking Hades as an example, the upper left, lower left and lower right part of the map has some very nice and narrowish pockets.
You bring the fight there, you will have a nice time getting some walll slams on hades and the goons he spawns.
It's not as easy as it is with regular enemies, but worth it if you pull it off.
cunning urchin
I've had problems with knockback specifically in Asphodel.
turbid arch
Even if you don't, Poseidon still has high damage%, a strong debuff and, if you want to have it, Wave-Pounding.
dry ember
Ok. So far I mainly have experience with Bow Poseidon
turbid arch
I haven't gotten Poseidon Attack on the bow in a hot while.
dry ember
Which makes position for knock back easier
turbid arch
A lot of people like Chiron Special with Poseidon. It was cute until they nerfed it. Now its borderline useless
smoky wolf
I quite like Poseidon cast for the splash damage (no pun intended)
dry ember
Intend your puns, coward.
magic dagger
the pun is the most important part of that statement
smoky wolf
Water good point you both make
main osprey
You're a salmon, go with the flow
cunning urchin
Salmon likes to splash.
dry ember
Give Poseidon Bow a shot
smoky wolf
Have fun!
main osprey
Good luck
cunning urchin
@turbid arch thank you for the insights!
dry ember
Give Poseidon Sword a swing
cunning urchin
Good luck!
dry ember
Give Poseidon Spear a whirl
turbid arch
Ah, not going to stream Hades right now. Maybe tomorrow
main osprey
Oh! My second win was actually Pos/Zeus bow, with triple and chain shot
turbid arch
Today it's Smite
Oh yeah, before I go
Zeus Shield with Poseidon
Now that is hilarious.
Put the shield into a narrow hallway, watch enemies try to run through it
and fail repeadedly as they get knocked back.
cunning urchin
lol
surreal hound
hmm, im thinking to convert my ambrosia to titans blood, but maybe i shouldnt
is it used for something other than the summon ?
raw violet
affinity
raw violet
but even after maxing everyone currently, pending on how much more they add, you get a large amount
main osprey
There will also probably be new people soon
cunning urchin
It's fine to trade some Ambrosia for Titan Blood.
surreal hound
lol
magic dagger
And if you get enough titan blood you can even trade back!
cunning urchin
Just don't trade all of it, keep a couple.
raw violet
fountain is the last thing for me, but there's no check mark over great hall so I must be missing something
surreal hound
yeah hmm, that helped inform my decision alot ty
raw violet
oh no, there are two fountains
mighty ermine
same, krasher
no other options available to purchase for great hall but not checked, ah well
raw violet
i think we'll probably unlock the next upgrade after getting this fountain
which might be another fountain
mighty ermine
oh boy
raw violet
in the east hall
mighty ermine
can't believe the triple-A goddesses refused to give me a single duo 😔 oh well https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/715997460929052682/20200529133616_1.jpg
dry ember
Nice flex ;)
naive tusk
I'm alive D:
dry ember
Tail cleared 36
main osprey
Hi dad
main osprey
You want the Chiron aspect? Or Zag?
mighty ermine
ba dum tss
naive tusk
Too many dads around here
main osprey
I was well-trained by mine
magic dagger
You want the Chiron aspect? Or Zag?
@main osprey Heathen, I demand that bow be Hera aspect
cunning urchin
@magic dagger a princess does not bow before anyone. 🔫
main osprey
Spoken like a true cat
magic dagger
🔫 what if Dusa were held at gunpoint
mighty ermine
NO!
main osprey
Psh. You think a gun would stop her?
mighty ermine
she would simply vanish into the ceiling
magic dagger
accurate. if she doesn't have time to talk to her best friend, she doesn't have time to be held at gunpoint by me
cunning urchin
Dusa is invincible.
magic dagger
also that ^^^
faint sonnet
mighty ermine
it's a relatable expression
wintry plume
omygosh
omygosh
omygosh
yep, accurate
unkempt pagoda
there's no situation you can't use it in
narrow halo
I have an idea of a medusa weapon
Weapon idea
Weapon name : eye of medusa
Normal Attack :Glare at the enemy in a cone shape stunning them briefly and dealing 40 damage
Shoulder bash attack : dash a small distance while bashing the enemy with your shoulder
Sp : throw the eye at a target location when arrived the eye performs 3 small blast around it dealing 15 damage for each and stay at the location / your attack become shoulder bash until you pick the eye again
Picking the eye will perform a large blast that deal 50 damage immediately if zag pick the eye while shoulder bashing the blast center will occur at the location of the dash end
Hammer upgrades:
1.When you throw the eye it will charge up instead and deal 70 damage in a large area you can pick it before it finish charging
2.your normal attack becomes a beam that pierce enemies and deal 200% damage to armour
3.your normal attack becomes a flame throw that deal 10 damage rapidly but no longer stun
4.when you pick up during shoulder bash instead of blasting the area you spin kick 3 times towards your dash end location each spin deals 30 damage
5.your special attacks range increases by 30%
6.you draw enemies in front of you before performing your normal attack and deal 60 damage instead but no longer stun
7.pressing sp button when you don’t have the eye make you shoulder bash to the eye location
8.when you throw the eye it will no longer perform blasts instead it will do 1 blast every 3 sec that deal 30 damage and have +100% range
——
Aspect 1 : lvl up = 25% shoulder bash damage and distance per lvl
Aspect 2 : throwing the eye will also make it collecting any cast ammo around it , pressing sp when you don’t have the eye will make it come back to you performing pick up blast and makes your next normal or shoulder bash attack deals +100% damage
Lvl up = increases your power up attack and cast damage by 25% per lvl
Unavailable hammer upgrades: 7
Aspect 3: when you throw the eye you perform your blasts a second time after 0.2 seconds, holding sp button when you don’t have the eye create a beam between you and the eye location dealing 10 damage rapidly to enemies between and increasing your running speed by 30%
Lvl up: 1 throw sp bonus attack per lvl , 10% running speed per lvl
Unavailable hammer upgrades: 7 and 8
My actual eyes hurt from typing
turbid arch
I need to stop streaming so late.
I always overdo it and now its late and I am tired.
main osprey
@pale roost Are you saying that being able to throw the shield while charging is a good thing or a bad thing?
mighty ermine
seemed like they meant it almost as a bug report, like they thought it shouldn't be a possible interaction
which is questionable as feedback
main osprey
I mean, thematically it doesn't make sense, and mechanically it breaks some fights. Personally, I think it's fun, and let's you really get the full benefit of the shield, and because the special has so much lower damage I don't think it's overpowered.
lament coral
what are you guys talking about?
main osprey
lament coral
I saw it and I don't get it
mighty ermine
yeah, i've heard it described as a cheese method in the past. i've never used it myself because it sounds boring and like it wouldn't even do good damage anyway
dry ember
I'm just very confused is all
main osprey
While charging the attack with the shield, you can use the special without dropping the block
essentially, maintain a permashield while attacking with the special
lament coral
really?
main osprey
you can't move though
dry ember
52 heat clear with that?
main osprey
maybe
dry ember
Possible?
main osprey
I've gotten a perfect final boss fight with it
dry ember
Just don't take TD
main osprey
low heat, but yeah
and yeah, can't TD with it
too slow
but it lets me cheese the Hydra
lament coral
you know, I never noticed before that using the special doesn't break the charge
considering that using bow's special breaks its attack charge, the shield should probably break, too
sudden dagger
Is there a shield aspect that soaks damage to charge up a special? Perhaps a reflective special? Or would that be too cheesy?
dry ember
Like are you asking among the aspects we have already or like an idea for the 4th one?
I think soaking damage and returning them to the enemy is a great idea
Not cheesy at all.
magic dagger
but such an aspect doesn't exist, no
sudden dagger
I wasn't sure if it already existed, but I would also suggest it
Or imagine it as a 4th aspect, since sgg probably have an idea already in the works
mighty ermine
yeah, SGG typically doesn't take or work with player suggestions for weapons unless they specifically ask for it ala the #hades-suggestions channel, etc.
but i do personally like your idea
it could work well as the core idea for the 4th aspect if it were the case
sudden dagger
I'm trying to think of where that idea is from
mighty ermine
i know borderlands presequel did it
sudden dagger
Like, where have I seen it before
mighty ermine
the character athena did this
sudden dagger
Athena in Hades, or in mythology
mighty ermine
their action skill was holding up a shield that absorbed damage to become more powerful when it's thrown at the end of its hold up duration
magic dagger
no
magic dagger
in borderlands
mighty ermine
a borderlands character
sudden dagger
Oh, ok! Sorry I've never played
mighty ermine
no worries that is kinda confusing in this game's context
sudden dagger
Thinking about it now, it sounds like an interesting variation of the bull rush charge, with a damage modifier and without the movement
true pilot
you know what would be cool? As a cameo from the other gods, getting relics sent to us. And then Hephaestus' could let us pick a 3rd Hammer upgrade. >_>
<_< TwinShot!Chain!PerfectShot >_>
neon fiber
finish it so you can play hades unburdened
dreamy raven
be more like Hades less like Zagreus
hollow totem
raw violet
heart rend with artemis special + explosive upper
ares attack and athena dash + merciful end. Add in impending doom + exposed for even more DPS
those will work very well
divine attack and divine dash will make you pretty much invulnerable
some people swear by Zeus attack so you could try augmenting with demeter and go for cold fusion
silver solstice
I'm an idiot. I just found the alternative mirror things.
Is there a general consensus on which mirror abilities should be subbed out for their alternatives?
tepid ridge
Depends on the play style and level of heat you’re running. I like darkness regen, damage boost for each unique God’s boon, and regenerating casts in almost all of my builds.
neon fiber
yeah, the game's not too clear on when you unlock the alts
dry ember
@naive tusk @raw violet @cunning urchin and anyone who can see this...
I made this, let me know if this is worth working on 😫. Currently only done for Aphrodite and Ares. But other Gods will soon follow if there is enough interest...
https://fliam.shinyapps.io/fliam/
Not a CS major, don't @ me too hard.
main osprey
what is it?
dry ember
It's an applet that tells you boon requirements
can serve as a companion for the boon charts. just something I made in my free time. not malicious I promise... 😩
main osprey
Mm, looks neat. What language are you using?
dry ember
R xD
main osprey
huh, dunno that one
dry ember
I'm using R and the Shiny package. Like I said, not a CS major
naive tusk
OMG, this is useful 
dry ember
R is mainly used for statistics... But it's the only language I know so...
main osprey
Ah. Mmkay...I could mess around bit with C#, though Visual Studio has been a butt about exporting programs recently
dry ember
yeah. i'll try to finish a couple more Gods. we will see if people want to use it haha
raw violet
So fancy
dry ember
lol if it works then i'm happy
naive tusk
It sure works! At least, with the boons I tested. Keep it up!
Is it possible to edit the format of the text that appears below? I'd like it more if it showed the information neatly 🙂
dry ember
yeah, there are some UI elements that can use some clean ups. this is more like a proof of concept thing
snow copper
Just heard Lord Hades say "Denied! And get out of here you", and it made me realize that if the dead can't get into the underworld, where else are they going?
main osprey
I think they were applying for better accommodations, not the underworld in general
snow copper
I guess, it's just weird that they would come out of a pool of the river styx to get better accommodations
dry ember
They were making claims I think
raw violet
That seems awfully kind that Hades would be willing to sit there all day, listening to people’s requests
dry ember
so asking more benefits I would assume
unkempt pagoda
i imagine a big part of charon's job is ferrying these people down to hades so they can request for stuff
and it's not like hades has anything better to do
dry ember
Idk he seems p busy to me
grave tapir
@dry ember haven't looked at it properly yet but i love the concept!! I also like that it loads super quickly on my phone (unlike the wiki) and that you can switch God's quickly/easily.
tepid ridge
There’s a line of dialogue that references Charon being the one to ferry ||Orpheus to see Euridice|| iirc, so it makes sense that there’s some link between the flaming summon symbols on the ground, ||Erebus,|| where all the enemies apparently wait to pop out and get ya, and Charon on the Styx.
lethal tangle
how are the first two spear aspects?
trying to decide if I want to spend some blood on them but I am unsure
cunning urchin
I think Zagreus Aspect is very underwhelming.
willow reef
Got my first Escape at the 99th attempt with Hera's Bow + Engulfing Vortex + Vicious Cycle + Hunting Blades, no one was escaping my Blade Rift 
(would post a screenshot with full deck but am not sure if it is allowed only for some roles)
cunning urchin
You can't upload screenshots, but you can link them from imgur or something.
main osprey
you can link from imgur, none of us can directly upload images
cunning urchin
Slow.
willow reef
aaah thanks
willow reef
thanks much 
, here's the full deck. I'm LOVING this game, everything from the writing the art the gameplay is fabulous. https://imgur.com/a/C3sIwyU
cunning urchin
That looks pretty good.
main osprey
nicely done!
willow reef
yeah I went and look at power interaction after I managed to get Hunting Blades so I could get it again and luckily I got the Ares boons as well to make it as perfect as it could be,
magic dagger
now clear with all the other weapons and at higher heats!
main osprey
hahaha
cunning urchin
@dry ember hard to say yet how useful it will be vs just looking at a boon chart. Would definitely need Duo Boons and being able to pick from multiple Gods, I would think.
willow reef
with Hera's Aspect I basically sent all 3 the blade rift straight to Hades it was a sweet sweet victory
and yes I'm both dreading and looking forward to do it again 5 other times in "normal", let alone with Heat xD
magic dagger
I think you're the first person I've seen who cleared with bow first
cunning urchin
@main osprey that seems better suited for a bug report.
willow reef
Eh I was always a ranged type of person. I almost got it with Fists once, might try them next
main osprey
ah, fair
willow reef
but really though the various power interaction things are so well done, it's fun just to play and see them all. Kudos to Supergiant for another great game!
inner heath
So, I'm thinking about forcing Poseidon to get Ocean's Bounty for darkness farming runs (and Chaos, because Chaos)
Which would mean using the keepsake and potentially rerolls.
But I don't particularly use a build on any weapon that takes advantage of Poseidon boons. So I'm not sure it's even worth forcing, to be honest. Thoughts from y'all?
magic dagger
Splash dash. You don't need a weapon
inner heath
How effective is that on bosses though?
magic dagger
with rupture (and poms) it quickly gets very awesome
there's also a boon that gives knockback abilities bonus damage against bosses
inner heath
Yeah, that's a very heavy Poseidon build. Haven't done anything like that in ages
But I guess it could be worth trying again
stoic thicket
Chiron bow with Poseidon special is nice.
cunning urchin
I asked Icebox for some insights on Poseidon builds yesterday: #h1-builds-and-combat message
Very helpful.
inner heath
Thanks, Nyaanyaa. This is all kinda what I was expecting, but it's good to have affirmation
and Fox, it's not that bad to implement the duo boons if you have the mirror upgrade and force meeting the two gods with keepsakes
mighty ermine
they mean within the applet they made
also the talk about poseidon inspired me to actually bother with him again in a specific way, namely GY special
the results were, well. they were actually very, very good
my fastest spear run yet
poseidon may have the second weakest % increase of that category of gods for attack, but he does have the second highest for special in that respect behind aphrodite
second phase dad went down in 17 seconds including the middle invuln period, due to activating max call with billowing strength helping to finish him off lol
lethal tangle
I'll post it in one sec
It was hera bow
I had the duo boon of making my poms give extra and then I sold in styx for some gold for a diamond
So I had that level 8 phalanx shot and the extra cast
So bow went brrrrr
mighty ermine
good call, those meta progression items are worth going for early on like that
yeah that is huge phalanx damage
chain+triple hammers together synergize extremely well too, as i'm sure you noticed lol
lethal tangle
Oh yeah it was great
inner heath
Ohh, that makes sense. Didn't catch the app thing before. And that's a solid poseidon build. I'll have to try it on GY
And nice, pwning
second of many more to come
lethal tangle
Now I gotta try doing it guan yu at least once
mighty ermine
it was super fun, yeah. a lot of special-centric builds work very well with GY since the special is so good at base
artemis special is pretty popular on GY as well
inner heath
Artemis is just never a bad choice
lethal tangle
I gotta say though I think the Zeus buffs are the most fun
When you get those crazy runs where bolts are just striking everyone left and right
dry ember
How many Gods (except Hermes) from whom you usually take boons by the end of the run?
mighty ermine
ayy nice tho
raw violet
i accidently early closed the vistory screen
dry ember
Death defier huh
mighty ermine
there's also a frequent bug with bow anyway where you can't re-arrange your pins or do anything at all except close the victory screen
raw violet
st patty, once again, saved the day
dry ember
Twinshot Deadly Strike makes me moist
raw violet
i half regretted the explosive shot, half didn't
raw violet
basically had to treat the bow like a melee
dry ember
Not being able to power shot
mighty ermine
i know with ES the goal isn't getting full shots off consistently or anything, but yeah it feels so sluggish
i always want to avoid it
dry ember
Yeah power shot life
raw violet
it at least took care of the summons really nicely in phase 1
mighty ermine
yeah
raw violet
yeah
i actually thought it was a lost run since i had no DD and had gotten no hammers by elysium
so I took explosive for the lols
raw violet
then patty reared his beautiful head
mighty ermine
also krasher, you were definitely right about poseidon special on GY being worthwhile, despite that icebox dude trying to suggest otherwise
did a GY run with it on a whim, ended up being my fastest yet
raw violet
hitless ez
dry ember
I don't trust that icedude
raw violet
yeah, i think it synergizes fairly well to give space
mighty ermine
me either
dry ember
But whatever xD
raw violet
and it's a slowish, big hit special
mighty ermine
and poseidon's special % is the second highest behind aphrodite, as opposed to his attack being the second lowest %-based
it's really interesting
raw violet
i didnt even know that
dry ember
I'ma try 32 again soon. Actually haven't touched that since I lost at Hades 3 times in a row at 32
Zzz
Sack RNG please bless me
raw violet
if it makes you feel better, that bow run i lost in tartarus and asphodel the previous runs
mighty ermine
oof
raw violet
no hammer, no attack boon the entire biome
dry ember
Rip
raw violet
lots of sadness
raw violet
might as well
dry ember
Given how I got screwed by sack RNG 3 times in a row in Styx
dry ember
Yeah for sure. I'm planning on using it.
mighty ermine
i don't think any of my 32 runs or the 36 used TD2
raw violet
so far, i've found it fairly weapon dependent
mighty ermine
yeah, i figure i could be more active about switching it depending on that
since some of those runs had plenty of spare time
where TD2 would have been free
i just wasn't sure going in, yknow
raw violet
bow was sort of borderline for me but I've been getting used to TD2 on 32 so i wanted to just try
yeah
i think just the other options i turned on when i took TD off made the run so painful
mighty ermine
true motivation
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/716181541205835796/20200330231213_1.jpg this was my heat setup for bow, for what it's worth
this was back in march before i started even bothering with TD though
so i probably would have done it differently now
dry ember
DC 2 seems painful
mighty ermine
twin shot made it less painful but yeah
raw violet
i guess in retrospect i didn't need my last few mirror upgrades either
dry ember
Ok
mighty ermine
yeah, it's just painful sometimes to give up those sweet rolls
raw violet
bow definitely feels pretty hammer-dependent
dry ember
Rare Deadly Strike or Epic Hunter Dash
naive tusk
DC 2?
dry ember
Zag Bow
mighty ermine
dash for sure
i mean
if you do dash-strike power shots mostly
which is what i do
raw violet
hard to give up that hunter dash on bow
mighty ermine
@naive tusk damage control 2!
raw violet
i've very sad that heartbreak strike + hunter dash does not qualify for heart rend
naive tusk
That's the blue hearts, right?
raw violet
yeah
naive tusk
Why is that painful? lol
mighty ermine
mostly because bow is mainly geared towards powerful single shots, those can waste a lot of time
turbid arch
If anytrhing, it is sad that Pressure Points does not qualify you for Deadly Reversal
naive tusk
It doesn't.
raw violet
bow is slow so things that you could kill in 1-2 shots will take an additional 2 shots, every time
naive tusk
Oh, I see.
raw violet
unless you have twin or triple
mighty ermine
i'd say bow is slow until you get one of the main hammer synergies going
turbid arch
Explosive Shot is also cool
naive tusk
I'm still not as good as Fox as to run with TD
mighty ermine
then it can kill very handily
raw violet
i like flurry on chiron and hera kinda
naive tusk
Yeah, but only did TD with Stygius, not with each weapon :S
naive tusk
But thank you for your heart warming words 
raw violet
in my limited experience, I'm finding TD 32 runs a lot easier than non-TD
just cause TD takes off such a huge heat load
turbid arch
TD is pretty okay unless Elysium or Styx RNG just completly wrecks you
raw violet
yeah
mighty ermine
i'd agree krasher. on the weapons where i did have TD on, the weight that was taken off the other options was definitely felt
turbid arch
But for that you need to be very strong which gets increasingly hard the deeper you go into heat.
raw violet
part of the price for not having whatever other options you'd have to take
turbid arch
I mean, imagine Tight Deadline
But then Enemies have 30% more HP, there are 60% more of them, all of them have 2 blue shields and, for extra scumbaggery
you see a lot of Benefits Package Enemies that are all extra bulky
raw violet
ick
mighty ermine
and to top it off: approval process striking out all of your most powerful boon options at every turn
what a ride
turbid arch
And the few boons you get
you have to sell off between floors
IF you make it past Meg and her two sisters
all dealing double damage
raw violet
eventually i'll try higher heats, but that level of rng just sounds so unfun
turbid arch
I think that is my main gripe with high heated runs at the moment.
Soooo much RNG involved.
raw violet
yeah
turbid arch
On the other hand, on this patch, I have pushed my personal boundaries father than I ever though possible.
mighty ermine
i do think they'll tweak it by 1.0 unless they intend for the highest heat echelon to continue being almost comical levels of barely possible
turbid arch
46 heat was a first and I think at least for a long while a last for me.
raw violet
i do really appreciate that about the whole pact system
turbid arch
I mean, even if you ignore super high heated runs
Benefits Package RNG is just heinous.
mighty ermine
i mean, we still haven't seen any screen or footage of that, so i still don't really believe it
but alright
turbid arch
Oh yeah, that happens at times too!
I feel like that is extra noteworthy in the beginning
raw violet
and then a bunch outside of that where the game just thought things just needed all the worst combos
turbid arch
Sometimes, first three rooms have next to no BP enemies
Next run, first room has an extra tanky armored enemy, followed up by an army of fast tanky numbskulls in the next room
raw violet
the beginning can also be particularly bad when you have no boons but the enemies are like styx final tunnel room levels of beefy
right
turbid arch
And of course
ALL of this
is not tackling the biggest problematic elephant in the room.
Challenge Rooms
raw violet
erebus or god trials?
turbid arch
Erebus
raw violet
according to my codex i've only ever stepped foot into 4 erebus rooms
turbid arch
Keep it that way.
The times where they will just absolutely ruin your mood will be plenty.
raw violet
one was on my successful shield 32 run but it was also in the very first chamber where it didn't really matter
sometimes you just gotta gamble
turbid arch
I usually go with a "Challenge Room in front of blue laundrels? Might as well!" mentality.
I did that once in Elysium.
dry ember
Lmao
turbid arch
Never again.
dry ember
I'm in Elysium with Hammer upgrade
raw violet
twinsies?
turbid arch
That is a great hammer.
raw violet
just pick all three
mighty ermine
i'd say perfect synergizes better with twin, actually
triple and chain are another top tier pair
raw violet
triple and chain are pretty nuts
dry ember
Alright I'll go twin
turbid arch
Yes
dry ember
God bless
raw violet
yeah, i think twin alone is preferable
whenever i get triple, i end up trying to pointblank everything
mighty ermine
i actually seldom notice or have to worry about twin's range reduction
similarly i almost never take the sniper hammer
mighty ermine
oh it's worked for me on high heat, that's what i did for the 32
raw violet
yeah, i spend a lot of time up close, even with the bow
i find the dash powershot is still faster than most enemies' turn speed
mighty ermine
yeah
timing the dash preceding it along with an enemy's attack typically leaves them very open
of course this is complicated a bit more on FO2
but still works
raw violet
agreed
mighty ermine
honestly one of the most obnoxious cases of that not working as reliably is with the exalted spears
because they're already just ridiculously quick
raw violet
i probably have the worst time with the spears
mighty ermine
that was one of the low points in my 32 excalibur run
raw violet
just poke you from a million miles away
raw violet
barely get staggered enough to stop their attacks
i have also discovered that hermes special speed is not as good on sword as I thought
mighty ermine
yeah and when they start armored and BP-empowered... ugh.
raw violet
the special finishes before your dash cooldown is over and you just awkwardly swing around
mighty ermine
oh weird
raw violet
like you'll start the normal attack combo and then start dashing
but you don't get the dash attack
just dashing swings
i dunno, maybe i messed up my inputs but it was pretty consistent
mighty ermine
yeah, that might be another weird case with how hades handles input buffering, and makes it weird
like with flurry cast or serrated edge+flurry jab
raw violet
yeah, i saw that comment, that's why it triggered that thought about stygius