that may be true which is why I like keeping a no-power-shot option - I just wish it was good enough to make up for the damage loss
#h1-builds-and-combat
wooden spade
shout out to the fated prophecies to encourage me to try new hammer upgrades though lol
wind vale
even then id still like being able to line up enemies with it but full auto aim prevents that quite well
hard holly
I think you can turn off auto-aim
wind vale
i did but with flurry fire it still works that way
fallen quarry
rail special auto aim can't be turned off either, probably a large reason as to why I moved from eris aspect to hesia and never change it up.
it's especially problematic on 50% faster enemies, as you don't really want the center to move to where the enemy is currently...
quasi knoll
oh cool they doing suggestions now
fossil wing
People of #h1-builds-and-combat -- we have an active request for suggestions on Additional Daedalus Hammer Upgrades over in #hades-suggestions. If you have any ideas you would like to contribute, please head on over!
robust walrus
So I'm not sure why the ability to switch keepsakes between floors was removed, but I already miss it. Makes runs a lot less interesting for me.
wind vale
it its possible to buy it back for gems
broken cipher
It's unlockable now, I think.
charred ruin
dio does not want to give me the legendary boon...
is there a way to increase the chance?
quasi knoll
oh snap people are going ham in the suggestions channel
neat kite
by the way, forgot to ask, but how does one get roles here anyway? it's usually done with bots but I don't see it anywhere 
dire mason
You can get roles over in bot-commands at the bottom of the channel menu!
pearl herald
so weird for the codex to not be a feature you start with,who gave it to you again?
dire mason
There's a pin there with the roles list.
neat kite
oh pfft, nevermind i'm blind
hard holly
Achilles
neat kite
totally didn't see that channel
dire mason
It's alright! Happens to everyone. 😄
pearl herald
probably should have a prioritization on achilles to give it to you,he decided to congratulate me on beating the game the second time i saw him
hard holly
Just for the record, we are allowed to make as many suggestions in the suggestion channel as we can come up with, yes?
broken cipher
@south vortex For your Hungry Blade suggestion, I am 100% down for that. It'd give people a reason not to always spam special on a special build while also contributing to said build in a pretty major way.
hallow nest
A lot of these community hammers exist already
south vortex
@broken cipher Thanks, I thought it might mixup the gameplay in interesting ways, which is the whole point of hammers
hard holly
I mean, theyre not designers, just players with ideas, there are bound to be ideas that overlap with something that exists, or simply dont end up working out
I do wonder how theyre going to go through it
Because this reminds me of the feedback channel at initial release right now
Man, surprisingly bow is the one weapon where I cant think of any new hammer that makes sense
Its clear that special needs a little more love in that regard, but Im not sure what to add to the special
wind vale
i just wanted one to replace the missing one for chiron
hard holly
Whats missing for Chiron?
wind vale
the piercing barrage
hard holly
I see
wind vale
would be amazing to play around with but so clearly overpowered
hard holly
Yeah its kind of a tough one
Because especially for chiron, what do you add to special?
quasi knoll
will there be an upvote system in suggestion?
hard holly
It would seem no
hard holly
Given that its not related to their question, yeah
quasi knoll
ah right
quasi knoll
got it
hard holly
RL AU for Hades where Thanatos is a moderator
quasi knoll
welp i a few ideas for hammers
fossil wing
@hard holly the answer to 'how we'll go through it' is...by reading them all! We also pull things into spreadsheets when needed.
hard holly
I see
I was just worried given that with the feedback system, it clearly was too much
quasi knoll
guess that works
hard holly
Ive kind of got an idea for a sword upgrade now, but it makes little visual sense?
quasi knoll
seems like suggestion are more for brainstorming than actual implementation
also uno care to share?
hard holly
Im still thinking about it
dire mason
Yeah for the hades-suggestions channel, it's alright not to be thinking about how it would be implemented. It's the melting pot for whatever the active topic is. 👍
hard holly
Alright
Yeah now that Ive written it, it makes little visual sense and is a bit much to condense into a hammer upgrade box
Whoops
I just want to give powershots to every weapon
hard holly
The idea is basically Phantasy Stars combat combined with the always popular Iado trope
hard holly
I havent suggested a powershot for rail though
I just ... cant find a way of putting a powershot, or a powershot-like on rail
finite grail
if you made it a charger shot maybe but then it becomes bow
odd jacinth
Rail Powershot could be like a reload mechanic
quasi knoll
maybe for a charge attack for the rocket
wind vale
maybe not exactly powershot but the last shot of a magazin could be empowered
timber tiger
Rail powershot could be a change to how the aiming works
quasi knoll
hold the the special button and if u time it right it comes out faster
timber tiger
Yeah
timber tiger
Time for gow-style reloads
hard holly
There we go, thanks
Now I have suggested a powershot or powershot like for every weapon
timber tiger
lol
odd jacinth
Perfect reload empowers your next mag
mighty ermine
that perfect reload suggestion is giving me strong RoR1 sniper vibes
they pretty much had an identical mechanic
hard holly
I took it from Gungeon actually
odd jacinth
It's not an uncommon mechanic
mighty ermine
not really saying it is or isn't, just came to mind
neat kite
yeah most people associate active reload with gears of war i think
finite grail
I thought of Gears lol
neat kite
it made that concept pretty popular
quasi knoll
yeah
quasi knoll
that item is based on Gears Uno
hard holly
I know
spice turret
Oh, so that's why it's called that.
eternal stag
world splitter 2 electric boogaloo
spice turret
Where's our 'high priest of world-splitter'?
This sounds like something that would interest them
pastel jolt
spice turret
NGL, that was going through my head as I wrote that
hard holly
I dont know what I was expecting from the upgraded Theseus and Asterius fight
Mad Max Fury Road definitely wasnt it though
Or, since Asterius is part of it, I guess its "Mad Max Furry Road"
quasi knoll
upgraded theseus is da best
hard holly
Though it begs the question, how is Hestias gun feared and yet to be replicated by humans when Theseus literally has machine guns on his chariot
quasi knoll
im actually kinda disappointed that i got spoiled on it from dev stream
broken cipher
The perks of being dead. The Underworld has all sorts of fun toys.
wind vale
oh right - a great 'suggestion' - the bull rush from the shield gets replaced by whatever theseus does there 🙂
broken cipher
In that case, I want an upgrade that gives Zag the Sword Hero's splitting spike attack thing.
frank fern
time limit in a3 is so brutal - i had a really strong bow setup, melted every boss but 7 minutes on a3 was ... like 30 too less i burned throug a dd and like 400 hp
even second part with thanatos was easy compared with 1,5 minute left
quasi knoll
yeah time limit in Elysium seems not the best
wind vale
really never use it since i just randomly stop paying attention if there is no danger 🙂
frank fern
hitting time limit in a run i got 2 good hammers, every boon i wanted expect from life affirmation and running artemis / aproh on the bow Oo
should start mixing in extra hp lol
wind vale
speaking of it - is life affirmation bugged or is that intended atm?
frank fern
only had 2 silver hearts 😉
broken cipher
Speaking of hammers...no hammer in Styx is...ouch.
frank fern
yeah making gold pointless for last act
wind vale
because it seems to buff so many things that arent mentioned in the text
frank fern
nothing to buy expect hermes 😦
broken cipher
You can get Titan Blood! Except...the gold cost is so high that getting it that way is a bad use of funds.
frank fern
17 heat, if i would have known they make time limit so much harder i would have tried 20+ before patch 😉
im sitting on 80+ blood waiting for 3. weapon aspect
or a buff to the weak ones 😉
looking at you zeus disc ...
hard holly
Interesting, the sword waves still dont scale with your attack boon (which is unfortunate)
But they look like they would be really good with flurry blade
Since they now stack
wind vale
didnt they always stack?
or do i just not understand what you mean?
because i thought i picked these 2 together a few times - didnt seem great tho
wind vale
and what changed?
wind vale
since there are the suggestions atm: always thought the spear needed some sort of trick, like regular attacks charge something, that stacks and then you do something to trigger it for great damage
like charging backstab damage a lot, dash behind an enemy and bam but backstab already exists in lots of places
anyone got an idea what i could be charging instead?
spin attack seems too slow and not like it synergized, special a bit too clunky(and maybe would only really work with explosive launcher)
hard holly
Well, Sword is as hit or miss as always, but thats another clear
Gotta say though, Im getting spear way more often than the other weapons
Which is on one hand fine, I like spear
But it means my bounties are lopsided as hell
Im at 6 heat for spear and 2 heat for rail I think
wind vale
hmm - seemed similar to me since the superstar patch but i thought the darkness increase would prefer the lowest weapon at that time
but seems thats not it
radiant swallow
Wait, random weapons?
radiant swallow
Have you ever played the bow aspect?
Er, Chiron aspect*
That thing charges god guide so much on it's own
cedar valley
hi guys i haven't played in a really long time. normal mode you always have 3 extra lives now
?
turbid needle
@cedar valley if maxed mirror, yes but it's harder to replenish them and you can't really gain Death Defiances outside of chaos
cedar valley
@turbid needle got it, i don't remember what all of that means. i just deleted my save and started a hardcore save lol
quasi knoll
hey does anyone know what all the upgraded currency items in run effects are?
i don't own the game yet so i can't check
i know for Darkness its a max health increase
hard holly
Key gives you a charge of fated authority, letting you reroll within the same pool
Gems give you 20 gold
Or 10
Nectar randomly upgrades one of your boons by 1
gloomy scroll
hey uh 42.5% off butterfly is really strong
cedar valley
what's the yellow bar i see under the health bar of streamers games and why don't i have that
turbid needle
Call/Aid.
mild crag
You don't have it since it doesn't show up unless you get a Call boon
outer nova
how do i get the new keepsakes?
unkempt pagoda
i only know skelly’s and he tells you himself how to get it
outer nova
and meg's one?
unkempt pagoda
(kill him with zag aspect sword maxed out)
i don’t know about the other ones, i’m just kinda relying on the game to eventually tell me
wind vale
in all cases you need the previous stuff maxed(as in before this patch) and trigger some event
not sure if it was related but right before it meg thanked me to have disabled the desperate measures pact
outer nova
ok thanks
wind vale
than you probably need to win so he reacts and sisyphus seems like a longer new chain to go through
skelly just happens quite quickly
and like Onyx said You need the zag sword aspect maxed to complete
wind vale
havent noticed anything different
tho in the upgraded version of the fight he cant block for like his first 3/4 hp
kind fiber
I haven't fought him unupgraded this patch I don't think, but he doesn't block any of my attacks after he brings out the shield
cedar valley
i'm confused how do you unlock call/aid? the side bar on my thing only has four slots, but streamer has 5 slots with the bottom being his aid
wind vale
he starts out stunned and then does the god stuff - so he probably dies before he could
wooden spade
It varies depending on the call I think
kind fiber
Deal damage / take damage in the fight
wooden spade
The number of slots possible, at any rate
But yes you fill it by dealing and taking damage
wind vale
the call/aid is unlocked after a few runs - they will just offer it like any normal boon from then
kind fiber
I don't think even after he stops casting
i'm pretty sure he just doesn't shield my stuff...
wind vale
and you only see the bar for it if you have a boon, it just doesnt exist otherwise
you will notice when its unlocked - its poseidon not giving you a choice to pick anything else
cedar valley
got it
i haven't played since march and i wanted to start playing again but am thinking of just waiting for steam
wooden spade
You only have to wait a few days, after all!
wind vale
does anyone remember how that old hammer upgrade was called that made your attack autoaim and gave it a bit of range? - thinking of submitting it sa a 'suggestion' 🙂
turbid needle
Old Rail upgrade, right?
wind vale
yea
turbid needle
I only just barely remember it. I don't think I ever used it.
turbid needle
I really wish default rail were a little more accurate.
cedar valley
do you guys use controller or m+k? i always used m+k but was thinking of trying controller to chill out
wind vale
always m&k
turbid needle
MKB.
I'm pretty sure there's more controller players, though.
I've tried controller once or twice but it's not for me.
turbid needle
Everyone should just use what they find most comfortable.
cedar valley
i like controller games sometimes so i can lounge real hard in the chair
i feel like i can't lounge as good using m+k lol
wooden spade
Controller all the way
grave grotto
i use controller but i completely changed the controls for it
wind vale
oh right - i also cant play with special on q but else unchanged
grave grotto
i still have no controller button for bug reports so i can never catch screenshots of bugs on time
turbid needle
Special on RMB, Cast on Shift, reload for Rail on a thumb mouse button.
grave grotto
but my whole set up is super rearranged its a mess
wind vale
i got special on middle mouse button
turbid needle
I've tried MMB before, it throws me off too much.
wind vale
might have to change the summon button to anywhere i hit at all 🙂
i really only used a single summon in all my runs so far
turbid needle
Oh, yeah, I always forget about them.
grave grotto
i only just unlocked meg so i have yet to try summon
wind vale
as i understand ill remember using it once i unlock sisyphus
(i hear it gives gold and stuff as well - probably just gonna use it for that :))
quasi knoll
oh wait hold up they gave rail a dash attack now?
wind vale
did they now also change it visually?
wind vale
existed for quite a long time in just being an attack that doesnt trigger the delay for the second so you get 2 quick shots
oh that makes more sense 🙂
quasi knoll
hows does hestia aspect interact with spread fire?
wind vale
(the dash attack is especially relevant for shotgun playstyle)
quasi knoll
does it fire a single shot?
wind vale
it doesnt
turbid needle
First shot is a single empowered shot.
wind vale
exactly but it combines well with the same boons
quasi knoll
does the empowered shot have a unique look to it?
wind vale
oh btw - did anyone get a random nectar from a trove this patch already?
hard holly
It becomes a deep purple
wind vale
because it feels like that chance may have been removed - or im just unlucky
hard holly
And you get a purple effect before firing
But yeah, it no longer interacts with spread fire
Its still ridiculously good
I just wish you could automatically reload somehow
Because its a slight pain to press reload every time
kind fiber
How do you unlock the third new keepsake? The one inbetween the one you get from thanaos and skelly
quasi knoll
i didn't know hestia aspect gave the shot longer range too
i thought it was just flat damage
wind vale
the third has to be sisyphus - talk to the 2 in there a lot and do all that i guess - dont have it yet myself
turbid needle
I'm currently doing a fun run with Attack: Curse of Agony (Heroic), Special: Divine Flourish (Epic), Merciful End (Duo), on the Zeus Aspect, and I didn't realize how much deflect can occur and doom damage I can achieve if the zeus aspect special hovers over an enemy for a prolonged period of time!
radiant swallow
The rail dash attack is an extra shot right?
turbid needle
Shortened refire.
radiant swallow
Fires again in rapid succession, basically?
turbid needle
Okay, say they normally fire every 0.18 seconds.
For the shot you fire in the middle of a dash, a shot fires after 0.05 seconds before going back to 0.18 seconds.
radiant swallow
That sounds about right
I just noticed that when attacking and dashing, I'd attack super quick after a dash
wind vale
exactly and its especially great for shotgun since that is slower than the usual attack
frigid nimbus
grand patrol
:3
hybrid frost
I carry around Than's summon just so I can auto skip Theseus's god powered stage. It's just quicker.
pearl willow
i think i just finished thanatos's reputation and|| i guess 'comfort him' was code for get jiggy? that was almost as sudden as getting jumped by Kaidan in ME1. show empathy and bam straight to bed. at least meg had some sort of relevant build-up / context.||
bitter solstice
When using the Hestia Aspedct with the adamant rail, it kinda bothers me, that, when using the shotgun upgrade form the hammer, the upgraded shot is still just a normal longrage shot, and not a upgraded shotgun shot
manic ermine
For a short while it was an upgraded spread shot, and was considerably broken
subtle shale
I just had my most fun shield run ever
Blitz Disc with basically every single Zeus boon on it
I just threw the shield in a direction and the map would become a lightning blender
green birch
Hey @pearl willow, please use spoiler tags or move your comment to #h1-story-discussion ! Normally they’re fine here but given that’s a major story spoiler we want to keep that on wraps for now
bitter solstice
the dmg should be scaled down if the spread shot is taken then, its just so strange to have a combo of one longrage shot followed up by the shotgun
green birch
Pivo Wait I had an answer for youuu
pearl willow
was going to say i could've sworn spoilers were permitted in here lol. how do you even tag that in discord?
feral wagon
@green birch ya sure what is it?
green birch
the keepsakes at the bottom are legendary keepsakes, in order to get them ||you need to give certain characters more ambrosia and finish out their storylines before they give them to you||
feral wagon
wooow
ooohh
ty mate, lifesaver
btw any idea on how many?
i already feed for 5 or 6 to few characters
wind vale
first give them ambrsia until you reach a locked heart in the codex
wait i mean nectar
first nectar to the max and at some point you trigger some unlock conversation
then give one ambrosia
that gives them
feral wagon
is there some way to figure out which of em are the secret keepsakes keepers?
wind vale
the characters are ||skelly, than, meg and sisyphos|| btw
feral wagon
who is the last one?
wind vale
when you reach the max with nectar you see either a time symbol or a lock, the lock is unlockeable, time maybe later
and thats all 4 - the last 2 arent implemented yet
wind vale
||Skelly; Thanatos; Megaera; Sisyphos||
feral wagon
aaaaaaah searched trough the codex, TY lot mate
wind vale
np
wind vale
yea - together with Boldy
and yes you get to talk to Boldy - the unlock sequence may be longer than the others
feral wagon
such a pain in the ass, after i spend all my nectar on trading
are this keepsakes worse it?
wind vale
you can use one in addition to the normal ones
so never a bad thing to have but i dont think they are needed
wind vale
you can only use them 1/2/3/4/5 times per run - depending on their level - and not switch them at all
its a nice amount of damage but upgrading is expensive(1,2,3,4 Ambrosia - and i mean new Ambrosia, not nectar)
feral wagon
so in the end they are not worse it?
wind vale
i never remember to use them but the damage is quite high
feral wagon
im using butterfly all the time
not sure if i really need it anyway, but really thank you for helping, i was roaming around for few days having no idea how to unlock that
wind vale
good that you mention it - ill have to see if butterfly increases the damage of these keepsakes
feral wagon
im pretty sure its not gonna work, but gl mate
btw there is a bug or it supporse to work this way
but i upgraded the talent, which force one of your boons to level up once you pick up nectar
and its not leveling up when u pick drunked god boon which share you 1
wind vale
i dont know for sure but you also dont recieve any bonus when collecting gems from a chest for example(if you got that unlocked) - maybe it said only room rewards
proud storm
Only chamber rewards grant such bonuses
feral wagon
that kinda misunderstanding then
i picked up this upgrade cuz im pretty much always trys to work with the drunked god for his poison boons and picked this one out of the way he share this nectar with you quite often
timber tiger
Hmm, artemis is what I want if I want more casts right? Maybe chaos too
feral wagon
yeah artemis is the one you want
she both have perks which disolve casts from enemies after some time, and forces them to drop once you hit the enemy
also, hermes, with his casts auto return to you positive
timber tiger
Well, I'm currently using festive fog so the drop and dissolve might not do much unfortunately
feral wagon
but the one best cast in my personal preference is the love gods
artemis for you then pretty much useless then
timber tiger
well, there's that one legendary that gives like 3 more casts right
and double cast
wind vale
exactly - only other god that in some sort of way gives more casts would be hermes - faster casting/automatic returning of the bloodstones
timber tiger
Right
atomic panther
Artemis is the only Olympian that gives more casts, but Ares does have a boon that buffs your cast damage
feral wagon
the one which add more cast stones is legendary not sure if you supporse to try random it
timber tiger
Well, she also has the double cast
so I'm probably gonna do that
Or you know, hope for it
proud storm
Fully Loaded, Burst Shot, and to a lesser extent Support Fire
feral wagon
pretty sure nobody remember boons names)
timber tiger
Ugh, can't pick up casts to gain one cast- why must you torment me chaos
wind vale
general crit chance for casts is also a huge buff(pressure points or her duo with athena)
and the faster dropping of bloodstones has already been mentioned but may not apply
timber tiger
Hmm, I'm not sure if I like the autofire upgrade with hera aspect
Feels like there's much less control to it
empty canopy
Legit question before i make a fool of myself in the suggestions bit: is there like a hammer that massivly upgrades the aoe of the missle aim but lowers the damage of it? like a kind of nuclear missle special that covers a lot of ground but does less damage
atomic panther
No
empty canopy
more importantly, do you think that would be a interesting hammer upgrade
wind vale
the autofire does really not feel good with any bow aspect or build, i agree, but at least the aim was already improved i think
wind vale
and that might be an idea for a hammer upgrade - maybe even with faster fire rate for it? - im thinking towards covering the whole screen in poison with dionysus on it or sth like that
feral wagon
there is written, that doom effects CONTINIOUSLY striking weak foes
but in reality its just strikes twice more
wind vale
unless they changed it it just gets low really quickly - it was 25%, right?
empty canopy
well i posted it
wind vale
so 100>25>6.25>1.5>0.?
wind vale
unless you mean in combination with the ares athena duo - that duo somehow consumes it completely and leaves nothing for ares aphrodite to work with
feral wagon
aaaah wait
keep on testing it works kinda funny
so its always decrease the dmg to 25% of primary
im probably missread it
empty canopy
wait, the missle on the rail is a cast or specail
wind vale
the cast is independent of the weapon
empty canopy
but which one is the aoe missle
wind vale
the special
empty canopy
ok cool, i got it right then
feral wagon
finally got an upgrade to infernal gate
how it works now? can some1 explain
back in the days you supporse to run with 50 skulls on you to do some stuff there
wind vale
you get in for 5 in tartarus, 10 asphodel and 15 in elysium now
dont get hit and get your improved reward
wet dagger
well, Zag finally did it. He wrecked the place so bad, no amount of renovations will help. We living in the darkness age now
kind cloud
i'm absolutely loving the new major update, it's so good, made a lot of welcome changes (like giving some value to things like the cthonic keys, gem stones, etc. during runs).
but a moment of silence for all the 5+ death defiance builds...
meager lynx
:'v)
frosty pier
Saw screenshot's with madlads doing 10 DD's ... So tragic.
wet dagger
maybe just some bosses? The Minotaur seems easier now, because his patterns finally make sense enough to predict and dodge!
BigBad, meanwhile, is now destroying me in seconds flat
kind cloud
the reveal for the theseus and minotaur upgraded insanity fight is just lulz
(i'm watching the dev stream right now.)
woeful stirrup
BigBad seems harder to me, with Theseus and Asterius easier. Although it could be because both runs I did I had a way of going through Theseus' shield.
wind vale
ok finally confirmed it myself - the current bounty limit is 20 heat for each weapon and it seems to work this time
proud storm
it's 25 on hell mode
feral wagon
what the heck
i just got afrodite legendary boon
which charm foes whos weak or somethin
and got the bow upgrade, which lets your special AIM target who shoot with you atack
bosses affected by this thing too
proud storm
charm duration is massively reduced on bosses though
feral wagon
and since amount of arrows is really alot, this charm effect percs almost every shot, so i almost finish bosses taking zero dmg
frank fern
you can damage charmed foes?
proud storm
yes
frank fern
ignored all the charm thing so far because in like every game its "pain yourself" 😉
feral wagon
me too
just was trying to get all afrodite archivements at the table
and figure out this recks
frank fern
20 is heat limit? damn i need to get some skill apart from bow 😦
frank fern
with the a new weapon and a third aspect coming you will need many "high clears" to get them all -.-
or spend 2 days running 0 heat to buy blood ...
radiant swallow
@feral wagon How do you play high heat spear
feral wagon
im not so deep into the HIGHT heat, just 12 on sword, 8 on spear
but from like 7 and more i prefer to play with poison build
also always using butterfly tryin to take as many as i can
radiant swallow
Poison spear?
Stacking butterfly feels like cheating a bit to be a little honest haha
I always feel like spear has trouble doing damage
feral wagon
yeah so i prefer poison build because of that
and also im playin quite long runs, since my last 8 heat spear run was for about 50 mins
you know, slowly building dmg via poison, dodging recovering this sorta staff
the spear problem, like you mention is lack of actual dmg
for example sword has the insane 80 dmg perk via daedalus hammer
plus some crits and you reck
spear is not capable of burst, so i prefer poison, sometimes i build doom with special
for 8 heat works ok
frank fern
only thing i could make spear work (old tight deadline, max 12 heat) was explosive launcher, zagerus aspect and spam special
one button build
but that works okay if you get some special damage and e.g. poseidon / zeus duo boon
but that still feels like a "bad rail special build" -.-
frank fern
ignoring the spin basicly?
proud storm
i was clearing the spear prophecy in the fated list and i picked flurry jab so i'd be done with it
along the way i picked up a bunch of zeus boons
i ended up getting my fastest time ever with the spear without even trying (20 minutes)
no forced overtime and i stopped to get troves along the way
dont remember how i cleared styx
feral wagon
flurry jab is the one which give you fast atacks?
if so, i assume picking support fire boon of artemis is fine also
but ofc not as good as zeus strikes
proud storm
it's the one that lets you hold the attack button to keep attacking and also makes your attack faster but you cant spin attack
feral wagon
yeah i figured it out
proud storm
incidentally i had hades aspect on the spear too
so the moment i pickedu p flurry jab i made my entire aspect useless
pastel jolt
don’t take achilles aspect and the bouncy spear
hard holly
I do find it weird that you can get hammer upgrades that nullify your aspects
pastel jolt
it still works it just kinda sucks because you can’t predict where it’ll put you when you dash
hard holly
I would prefer it if said hammers were unavailable
frosty pier
I mean... this game has so little options to make you look stupid, let it have it! xD
true lagoon
grand patrol
please press f10 in game to report bugs!
eternal rapids
does anyone know which room door indicator is for minibosses
or... where screenshots go
oh is image posting not allowed in here
😭
frosty pier
Mini-bosses are skulls with an tiny up arrow.
wooden spade
I think it’s a little skull icon with a red marker next to it at the bottom of the boon
Yep - red marker is an arrow
As distinct from just a skull, which means just a difficult room
eternal rapids
ahhh i could never tell if there was a difference
frosty pier
And you can post images, but you'll need to post it on some image-sharing site to do that.
eternal rapids
i see 🤔 thanks
hard holly
There used to not be
eternal rapids
i dont suppose there's any way to guess which miniboss you'll get in elysium is there
hard holly
Well, kind of
Skulls on golden trims were minibosses
Skulls on blurple trims were just hard rooms
There isnt, no
eternal rapids
😭 i want this shiny ares boon but fighting asterius... is hell
wooden spade
Yep you’re just rolling the dice on Asterius or the soul butterfly thing
Believe me, the soul butterfly used to be the MUCH worse option
gloomy scroll
Oh my gosh butterfly ball elite used to be sooooooooo bad
wooden spade
Yeah I don’t remember what exactly they did but it’s much more manageable now
It moves and has less health I think?
gloomy scroll
Way less health
low citrus
there arent many bow suggestions, are there?
it would be great to have more bow suggestions, i love the weapon, but it isnt that unique compared to the other weapons (havent used the rail tho) and i would love to see it being expanded upon
naive cobalt
I feel like the bow is in the best place rn of all the weapons. With hammers, it has coverage for just about every situation. That may be why most folks are suggesting hammers for other weapons, which have fewer utilities.
low citrus
yea that is true, but the other weapons have a bit more interactions as they are (again idk the rail)
naive cobalt
I've been thinking about writing a post in the feedback channel regarding the Zag bow's visual design, because I think it's extremely boring looking compared to the other aspects, and even the other Zag weapons.
It's the only weapon aspect that doesn't have a discernable theme. It's just like a slightly spiny bow.
finite grail
I would say that the bow is in a better spot that it has been in the past but I don’t think it’s necessarily the most powerful choice
low citrus
so im thinking like every weapon (thats not the rail which i havent used) has 3 or more interactions, at least 2 varieties of basic attacks, and 1 special
what if the bow had a dash attack? like within a close range if you dash towards an enemy zag shoots at that enemy
finite grail
It’s current dash attack allows you to charge quicker
naive cobalt
The bow currently has a dash attack which lets you shoot a faster shot for less damage
low citrus
i wouldnt call that its own thing
if you dash with attacks charged the attack goes off
so like the spear does that with the spin attack too
thats why i say it should be a separate attack, no charge, maybe a bit less damage, cuz i could be abusable, its high-risk-reward
adds a unique interaction to the bow
naive cobalt
That'd be cool
low citrus
the bow is the best weapon in the game RN imo, but its a bit boring, thats why i want it expanded upon
i have gotten to the final boss with the spear, but i havent defeated em
with the bow i did, UNDER 3 MINUTES
i guess thats still far from the original bow, but still
(i meant i beat em under 3 minutes, i would be weird to beat the game under that time)
low citrus
people seem to love the idea of bouncing projectiles
hard holly
On a sidenote, sub-22 minutes run with Rail
Turns out Hestia and Support fire are kinda broken
low citrus
idk what time was my best
but it was really broken
it was close to a god roll
and my chiron aspect wasnt even fully upgarded, so if i wished to get an EVEN better time, i could up the aspect to lvl 5, then go at it with the hope of getting a really good special boost, crit and stuff, with chaos, and ares boons
hard holly
Man, I keep getting extra darkness on spear, but no explosive launcher
I just wanna throw rockets
crimson sundial
Explosive Launcher seems ridiculously op
I got it for the first time yesterday and just waltzed through everything afterwards. 8 heat I think, bosses+miniboss choices.
I also got special speed from Hermes though
hard holly
Its pretty damn good, yeah
Also Im noticing that my builds are ending up a bit same-y again
Always Aphro or Artemis for attack (Since theyre the 2 best ones for regular damage, and I havent gone for flurry builds in a while), Ares Call if I can get it, then various damage additions here and there
Maybe Ill try a flurry build again
charred ruin
IMO current tierlist:
S- Chiron Bow, Hestia Rail
A- Poseidon Sword, Chaos Shield
B- Nemesis Sword, Achilles Spear, Zegreus Spear, Hera Bow, Eris Rail
C- Rest
hybrid frost
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but the only bow Hammer upgrades I like are the 50% special shots & the 100% power shot damage. Since they removed the "max range no power shot" option.
icy edge
Why is poseidon sword good? Because you don't have to wait for bloodstones to pop out, making for more damage overall?
I figure the direct application of the effect synergizes with exit wounds, but that's pretty much it.
hybrid frost
I only make use of the "special drops Bloodstones" part with certain builds. Mostely I just use it for the 50% damage increase. Ares and Dio casts are great with it for example.
And Zeus is awesome. ⚡
And Aphrodite? ☠️
I just finished a run with Artemis cast using Poseidon aspect and it was pretty great.
Actually, the same goes for the Hera bow; my favorite uses for it are fast, long-range delivery of Ares and Dio casts. Niether of which make use of the faster drop rate.
eternal stag
ares and dio cast on hera aspect are pretty much that meme of loading a canon and firing it at one guy
hard holly
Personally, I think regular bow is still the best bow aspect
5% crit chance is a really minor upgrade
But the others are generally no upgrade at all (since just loading up your attack is better than chirons, while Heras bow Im not sure what the benefit is as a whole)
Id also say chaos Shield is probably the worst aspect (since it doesnt appear to combo with Explosive Return)
finite grail
hell moe is really good, usually I'll go for any combinations of punishments except budget cuts but it does make things more interesting and more of a choice
I'm struggling with what is the best mirror combination for it though :x
hard holly
Oh hey, I figured out how to reproduce the bug
Time to f10
Oh right
Chaos boons ignore any non-combat rooms, but buffs you get from charons well dont
That feels inconsistent and really awkward (since Im now at the boss with a chaos boon that hurts me when I attack on shield)
I lost 2 death defiances on the easiest boss just because I had only the most useless special to do damage with
oof
hard holly
Again no Minotaur Rush :S
neon bough
hey guys, trying my hand on Tight Deadline, and I always end up dying in Elysium. Any tips on how to speed up that floor ?
pastel jolt
that's a hell of a sentence
hard holly
Sisyphus's reaction to his judgment
pastel jolt
hard holly
Hypothetically, if I skip an offered hammer in Tartarus, does that mean Ill get one in Asphodel?
Or do I just end up with one fewer hammer
Got one offered in the next shop, so its not lost
neon bough
Hmm also who'sq the 3rd of chtonic colleagues ? I guess Charon but the prophecy isn't fulfilled even though I talked to him and gave him nectar etc
toxic tusk
@hard holly if you don't get an hammer in Tartarus, it appears in Asphodel
hard holly
Yeah the question wasnt that, as much as "if you get a hammer but skip it, does it appear in Asphodel?"
Because waaaay back the answer was no
pastel jolt
i've had runs where i didn't take any hammers in tartarus or asphodel and they ended up being given to me in elysium instead
toxic tusk
Ohhh, very diferent indeed. Well, I suppose so, but can't be sure
crimson geyser
what's the difference between boon levels vs. rarity?
i've just been assuming rarity is like....worth multiple levels lol
is there more to it than that?
is there more to it than that?
toxic tusk
Rarity goes from Common (no color) -> Rare (blue) -> Epic (purple) -> Heroic (red)
The effects are greater
pastel jolt
if two boons are the same level, the higher rarity one will be stronger
frank fern
playing the game without +50% speed pact for the first time in ages
feels like slowmo -.-
toxic tusk
They corrected the text of the patch notes, that wasn't shown 🤣
frank fern
no choice pact = dont get any attack boons? the first choice is usually attack and its always "gone" ...
frank fern
ah okay its random just bad luck on the first 2 acts
proud storm
median ridge
i miss being able to get a third hammer
vestal parcel
Wow, Hestia rail+artemis deadly strike is quite the combo.
8 heat and I didn't use even one death defiance the whole game.
turbid needle
Yuuup.
vestal parcel
Also divine dash+greatest reflex (deflect + 3 more dashes) is stupidly effective on the final boss.
proud storm
turbid needle
Oh, wow.
proud storm
i almost died against hades because i was just repeatedly stabbing everything in reckless abandon and just as he was about to die he did his super laser attack and i had like 40 hp left and no DDs
turbid needle
Yeah, that's what terror truly means.
hybrid frost
@neon bough I just recently started using Tight Deadline and only 1st lvl, so here's my experience: Don't use the % more enemies or the enemies have more health pact options. Get as much damage buffs on whichever method your going to use for your primary damage dealing (be it attack, special, or cast). Keepsakes are important. I take Coin Purse first for some emergency spending cash. Then I swap to Charon's Hourglass for both Asphodel & Elysium, the reason being that I can play alot more fast and aggressive to beat the clock when I have multiple cast/attack/speed boosts, and 15% door-pass healing that last for 11 rooms a pop. And for Styx use the Broken Spearpoint or Skelly's Tooth. And always remember to buy what you want from the Well in the trasition room between Elysium and Styx before you swap from the Hourglass.
Why are they nerfing the Chiron Aspect? They might need to boost the other two, but just because elite powerhouse gamers are crushing the game with something is no excuse to make things harder on the middle class. Same goes for Nemesis sword.
proud storm
i mean chiron was just op let's be honest on this one
hybrid frost
I couldn't beat Hydra with the bow until it came along. Now, I definitely could since I'm better at the game, but not with heat and certainly NOT Xtreme Hydra.
turbid needle
Nemesis barely got nerfed.
I need to see the new Relentless Barrage with Chiron before I declare it dead.
hybrid frost
Someone said it maxed at 6 now.
turbid needle
It does.
hybrid frost
Let me get my little violin.
frank fern
10 is enough to make it work
hybrid frost
Are you refering to it with a Hammer upgrade?
hard holly
Do I go for Sudden Rush if I already have minotaur rush for the most fun shield build around
hybrid frost
Half the time I don't get offered it.
hard holly
Or do I try out Charged Shot because it does more damage
turbid needle
I love Sudden/Minotaur Rush, but Minotaur Charged Shot is probably hilarious.
hard holly
Ill flip a coin
Charged shot won :S
Im sorry Sudden Rush, I promise Ill pick you next time
I shouldve gone Sudden Rush
Charged Shot is inexplicably much riskier
turbid needle
Yeah, you can't use it as a get-out-of-Dodge button anymore.
Does it still deal max damage with any charge time?
hard holly
No idea
Im powershotting
Anyway, its less that
And more that during the firing of the shot, you dont block
While the rush makes you invulnerable
So you have a larger window in which you can get hit
icy edge
Chaos Aspect Shield makes Dionysius viable on shield without having a specific hammer upgrade...
median ridge
charged shot basically got me killed
all the sudden my shield doesn’t block anything like i am used to
median ridge
its hard to get rid of my muscle memory of releasing the charge when i am about to be hit
hard holly
Its not as good as, say, Hestia Rail, but its pretty good
median ridge
which normally is a great strat for shield
hard holly
I mean using Chaos Aspect to stack Dios poison sounds like a worse Rail with extra steps
icy edge
Maybe, but I was talking about the, uh, shield.
Not the rail 😅
hard holly
Well my point is rather that if you want to play Dio, you wouldnt want to use shield, if you want to play Shield, you wouldnt want to use Dio
Or Chaos, really
Unless it does work with explosive flight
icy edge
It's fun to build dio special and poseidon attack, worked for 10-12 heat
charred ruin
Tried Zegreus Bow with Artemis crits. How is that calculated exactly? Is it 10%+15%=25%? Or is it calculated separately?
turbid needle
Chaos Aspect and Dionysus work quite well together.
Real quick before I go to work: I wanna know what version of the game you guys are playing where you pick your build pretty much every time, because I'm always at the mercy of what the game gives me.
I've lost count of the number of times I've run the Rail hoping for Zeus, using his Trinket and he shows up maybe twice.
icy edge
You cant pick, keepsakes help a bit, but its usually just spamming fated authority
turbid needle
Exactly.
icy edge
The contractor upgrade that refreshes them helps a bit
But its up to Chaos, as is natural for roguelikes
turbid needle
Thank you for saying "Chaos" as a universe-accurate equivalent to RNG.
hard holly
I mean, it was the most recent version up to today
icy edge
Gotta respect the m-... uh, chthonic god
hard holly
Most runs I get most of the boons fairly reliably
Charged Shot is pretty good vs Hades
He has a lot of downtime between attacks, and not moving is preferrable vs the Urns
broken cipher
Oh, I'm with you there. RNG is often not on my side when it comes to Death Defiances. It's either no refills or refills only show up when they're still maxed out.
oblique karma
does chiron's bow feel kind of hard to optimize?
i usually play with the time modifier on and it gets kind of hard to kill large groups quickly
toxic tusk
You might want to try Aphrodite on attack and Dionysus on special. Together with their duo boon, it's high damage. Even if it is single target, the enemies will drop like flies
Another combo is Poseidon on special and get the Poseidon-Zeus duo boon. With this every arrow will proc the effect. Also high damage, and you might get more damage with other boons from either god. If you have Static Discharge (jolted debuff) and Razor Shoals (rupture debuff), every special arrow will also proc Privileged Status
kind fiber
Anyone know how to get the third new relic?
hybrid frost
Well, that would depend on which one you mean. Define "third".
kind fiber
The one between thanatos's keepsake and skelly's keepsake
in regards to the new ones that are lined up along the bottom
hybrid frost
Well that has to be Sisyphus's. You have to keep getting conversations with Sisy and gift him Ambrosia.
fringe dawn
Does anybody actually take anything other than Reflect Dash?
hybrid frost
Plenty of times.
Does anybody know how to turn on options in the Pact of Punishment now? The patch notes say they made the interact button skip straight into the run, and it does that sure enough. Problem is, that's also how to tweek the options you want. I'm using a gamepad and every button I've tried does nothing except the one that backs out and the one that skips the pact and starts the run. Any help?
little leaf
How does the Eris Aspect work? I hit enemies with the special but I don't see any increase in the damage the follows.
kind fiber
@little leaf If it hits you, you get a temporary damage buff
kind fiber
I'mma level it up and try it again later, maybe it'll be better at higher ranks but I haven't had good success with it at the early ranks
I'd say it benefits cast damage, but there are better options to augment your casting ability
little leaf
Yeah, forces you to dive in the hoard. Doesn't make sense with the run and gun style .
fossil wing
@hybrid frost with Gamepad, the change we made should mean:
- pressing (A) on a 360 controller or Cross on a PS4 controller should allow you to adjust heat options
- pressing (RB) on a 360 controller or the Right Shoulder button on a PS4 controller should advance to start game without needing to scroll to the bottom
Are you having a different experience of that?
kind fiber
Its probably better with the rocket hammer upgrade
so it basically "travels" instantly
hybrid frost
@Amir Yes, when I press (A) on Xbox pad, it just starts the run.
fossil wing
@hybrid frost got it -- can you F10 your game to us. That doesn't sound right.
hybrid frost
Report incoming. Maybe I just need to reset my controls to default and try again? My interact button is set to (A), but that's what I always used to tweek options.
fossil wing
Yeah, if you reset your bindings and try, it would be good to know if it still happens.
tall gulch
Ooof, having to choose between either a ares+athena conflict or a Daedalus hammer
hybrid frost
@Amir Alright so tried defaulting and it works. The problem seems to be with rebinding the keys. I see by the defaults that (A) is dash. I have my dash set to (X) and it isn't working on the pact.
On the same note, I've yet to be able to make a "Perfect Landing". It could be due to the game requiring me to default Dash at the right moment instead of rebound Dash.
tropic sequoia
does the damage bonus from pierced butterfly remain if you swap it out?
turbid needle
No.
fossil wing
Thanks @hybrid frost — we will look into it.
turbid needle
Get Quick Spin or Exploding Launcher on spawn, reset if you don't.
native ether
Flurry Jab is good too
atomic panther
Thank you fellow gamers
turbid needle
Actually yeah, now Flurry Jab is pretty intense.
bitter solstice
think my absolute favorite shield combo is the hammer so it hits twice and does not knock away, and Artemis shoots an arrow with each attack/special/cast.
never lost a run when I get it, there is just so many arrows from the attacks and the dmg stacks up fast
hybrid frost
Yeah, turns out with Flurry Jab you can just hold down the attack button and then just dash everywhere while continuously attacking.
waxen horizon
How on earth should i try to use the gun or the arrow? Im more of the sword/shield fitting style so its been hard.
do i just fire all 12 bullets at once...then press q...or like what is my main goal to do with that thing
kind fiber
Have you unlocked any of the gun aspects? or are you just talking about from the perspective of having a relatively "plain" gun?
waxen horizon
ive not been able to unlock it, but just like in genral. For example with the spear. You can hold left lick before the things summon...like a step to step guide
kind fiber
As far as the bow goes, its alot of shooting and dashing away since the dash attack charges significantly faster, my favored 3 upgrades are the tri shot, the twin shot and the explosive shot
gimmie a sec for the gun
The gun favors a relatively balanced playstyle between special and attack
due to the fact that its relatively quick to fire off singular specials and get back to shooting and the fact that you can't spam the special due its lengthy cooldown
Favored boons for the special include: Aphrodite, Athena and Artemis
Favored boons for the attack: Zeus, Dion, if you are going for a rapid fire build. Poseidon, Athena, and aphro are better when you unlock the Hestia aspect
waxen horizon
okay thank you. is my main object to spam the bullets and end it with the special? dash while reloading?
kind fiber
My favored hammer boons would be the tri bomber and the rocket. For the most part the hammer boons that buff the attack are inconsequential unless you are going for a rapid fire build
waxen horizon
*objective
kind fiber
Basically, firing off specials whenever you can is great since it has solid numbers and can give you great damage or control over crowds
I'd suggest going for it frequently as it is likely to be more worth your time than it would be to attack constantly
hybrid frost
As has been noted by anyone who uses the rail, it really needs hammer upgrades to be strong.
Sad that we can only get 2 now...
kind fiber
Hestia aspect seems to carry the early game pretty hard
hybrid frost
I hate reloading, so I never bought it.
waxen horizon
to me , a gun overall should do more damage than an arrow
so i was confused when it shoots at 20 damage
hybrid frost
Well, Zag doesn't have a quiver. His bow shoots magically created super arrows!
waxen horizon
no, for now i just gotta practice what you told me..seriously thank you
empty canopy
Gun technology is not as good yet, it's why theseus's machine guns are half the size of the chariot
waxen horizon
ill come back to this page in a day or two
XD been avoiding understanding how the arrow and the gun worked since the start of this game
hybrid frost
I was not a fan of the bow myself when I started at the Big Beefy Update.
waxen horizon
Yes indeed
hybrid frost
Fortunately, Bouldy will keep watch over the faithful. 
I just gotta get Chaos to drop their legendary boon...
waxen horizon
lol i think i forgot how much nectar bottles i gave to boudly
empty canopy
it's weird going back and watching a old playthrough of hades
atomic panther
Athena cast, secondary projectile, swift cast, and 7 bloodstones. This is a good run
simple monolith
is anyone getting a bug where you use Aphrodite's Aid, then attack the person you charm, then you take a massive amount of damage?
kind cloud
was the keepsake case removed in between stages?
icy edge
You need to buy it with the contractor
kind cloud
impressive
tawny ivy
Ascended One's tips above for playing the rail worked like a charm! tysm 
(also rocket bomb is far less frustrating to aim on controller than the default special, i just realized)
feral wagon
yo folks
any ideas how am i supporsed to complete the useless trinked quest on the fated list?
i dont get it
somethin about skelly
earn first of his prices or whatever
woeful stirrup
Lower right of the weapon room. Things under sheets of cloth, that you need heat to unlock.
smoky sparrow
How to Sword:
Step 1 - grab cast boons
Step 2 - never use your primary attack again
https://i.imgur.com/hdgBtun.png
Easiest run ever
Melted through everything with crazy AoE and single target damage (Exit wounds + Poseidon aspect). It was dirty to rapid fire AoE casts with extra projectiles from Artemis.
high crow
what are the requirements for getting the legendary keepsake from skelly
feral wagon
you need to feed him nectar and make encounters, then he will tell you, that he wanna die, then you level up ur sword first aspect to the max, then killing him, then there he is
@woeful stirrup ow first time noticing em
ty mate
sad, that they were not introduced somehow
if there was no discord, i probably would never notice em myself
high crow
i can't feed him nectar anymore
woeful stirrup
Well then you just gotta wait until the next time there's an exclamation mark above his head.
charred ruin
Decided to try various builds with Eris aspect. It's super good with Ares attack as it allows you to play safe hit and run and inflict massive damage.
The 60% buff does wonders to the doom effect. Mix in stronger casts and another status effects on your dash and you can melt stuff.
gloomy scroll
HOLY MOLY
I am not good at this game but I started a hell mode playthrough
and on my second run I've just beat hydra
pastel jolt
so here’s a dumb question: i took triple shot on the bow in a run yesterday, and whenever i fired, one of the markers was red - but only one, and it occasionally changed which one was red. i can’t work out why it was doing that 
anyone know?
lost rose
It's a bug :P
turbid needle
that 10% crit bow though
trail abyss
Is the Master of Arms fate bugged for anyone else? It always shows me as having progress with only the last weapon I cleared with.
gloomy scroll
ok so it might be slow for a lot of people but I just tried tight deadline for the first time and got like 25 minutes on my clear? which is way faster that I have done before and also I had like 600 max hp
love how playing so much more panicky actually somehow worked for me
trail abyss
Cool, thanks for the quick response
turbid needle
It's an option upon creating a new save.
wind vale
seems its currently possible to switch the legendary keepsakes during a run by upgrading them with ambrosia since it switches to them automatically
wooden spade
I have SUCH a hard time remembering to use legendary keepsakes
This is not a game problem but a me problem
wind vale
same - but i think ill remember to use the sisyphus one at least - now that i finally got it
so maybe that will help me with the others as well
(its also where i noticed the upgrade thing)
terse nimbus
Are legendary keepsakes a once-per-run thing or a once-per-biome thing?
wind vale
once per run but they can be upgraded up to level 5 for 5 uses
(costs 1/2/3/4 of the new ambrosia to upgrade)
terse nimbus
Gotcha.
But yeah I also never use them because I keep thinking I dont want to waste it. Then by the time I get to Styx I forget I have it.lol
wind vale
exactly - getting gold and heal from it may make me use it earlier tho
terse nimbus
Yeah can see that
woeful stirrup
I keep waiting for a Thanatos room to use the Meg summon but I didn't get one since the update.
Skelly summon would probably be great for those "survive for X amount of time" rooms.
outer nova
@woeful stirrup how did u get meg's one?
hard holly
Skelly is great because its (as far as I can tell) the only one that works on Hades
Summon him, and wack away freely
wind vale
just got a random nectar from a treasure chest(for gold) - since i asked some time ago if they were removed
woeful stirrup
No idea how I got it, conversation simply triggered after my first run since the update.
I'd had all other Meg conversations before the update though.
I think Sisyphus summon also works on Hades.
wind vale
also seems obvious that max nectar is a requirement to unlock that conversation
quaint talon
Apparently you can still skip phases in the hydra fight. With sufficient Artemis cast and Hermes fast cast. I took off half of hydras health in half a second. And then recovered my casts, then killed him in another half a second. I was declared victorious, and then 2 heads spawned after the main head died...
hard holly
That should be a bug, because normally the damage is capped
I had a run using rail where I was critting for over 1k, but still did only 50 damage when that was all the health left til the next phase
quaint talon
It was 6 Artemis casts + second shot, plus the boon that fire another shot with any attack. I also had 2 chaos boons that boosted cast damage. And Hermes fast cast. The Artemis cast was upgraded 3 times, and the second shot twice. All 6 shots went off in half a second.
The first phase transition was skipped, 2 head spawned. I killed the 2 heads. The main head immediately went vulnerable, then invulnerble, then vulnerable in rapid succession. I fire all 6 casts, he died instantly. It said hydra slained. Then ..2 heads spawned, I had to kill the last 2 head before allowing to leave the room. .. It was weird..
hard holly
Yeah that sounds buggy, try to F10 and describe the bug if you can
quaint talon
This was using the blade
turbid needle
I like the new Extreme Measures. I can feel cool on 10 Heat and have nothing but better boss fights and a timer that never pushes me.
hard holly
I honestly find it makes the Elysium fight a bit easier at times
Because Theseus without blocking is easier to handle
turbid needle
Theseus stays out of the way more.
hard holly
Asterius's charge becomes hell though
turbid needle
I wanna try the charge with maxed Forced Overtime.
hard holly
Also I just love how Theseus laughs maniacally while riding it
Because tbh
Same
I would do that too if I was riding a chariot with bloody machineguns
turbid needle
"[snort] I just visited with a challenger from a place called Yardrat. They taught me a new trick."
hard holly
I guess the machineguns are Daedalus's doing
turbid needle
Mad Max Elysium Road
hard holly
Still, Mad Max Furry Road was not what I expected
turbid needle
"I am the conductor of the choir of death!"
atomic panther
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/652934453911355417/unknown.png
This is the money Zagreus of good luck. Share this image to get two epic Chaos boons that give more Obols on your next run and drown in coins
hard holly
That was very cash money of you
atomic panther
Fun fact: ||Skelly's|| legendary keepsake is vulnerable to friendly fire, so it will spawn Splitting Bolts. Thank you, ||Skelly||!
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frank fern
did anyone manage to run sword/spear reliable on 15+ heat?
i can do it with bow / rail / shield most of the time but the meele weapons just make you take too much damage
atomic panther
I'm still working my way up. I'm stuck on 8 heat myself on Sword, lagging behind on the others
frank fern
sword and spear both around 12 and it seems like i need a "all stars align" run to make them work on my skill/reaction level
bow is on 18, rail on 16 or 17 -.-
but 20 is "limit" now anyway for bounties? and this time it works?
sword and spear both around 12 and it seems like i need a "all stars align" run to make them work on my skill/reaction level
wind vale
spear i only use as a cast build with achilles - and i do cast builds only if i see a good cast as the first boon from scouting - so thats quite consistent for me
woeful stirrup
I'm only on 3 Heat with sword (don't have much time to play), but I think the Poseidon aspect might be a good one if melee gets too dangerous. With Super Nova and some good Artemis boons, you can get a pretty good mid-range build.
Spear, though, has become my bane since a few updates ago... it used to be my second favourite weapon, but now I'm utterly crap at it.
wind vale
and yes 20 is the limit and this time it actually works - it is supposedly 25 on hell mode
frank fern
sword with cast build and zeus/neptun dual works
but it really needs "a lot of setup" at least for me
i have enough blood to max everything there is for now but im worried about a 5. weapon and a third aspect per weapon
you will need a lot of blood 😄
empty canopy
wait so if yiou hit the bounty limit how do you ge their rewards like diamonds
wind vale
not sure why cast build with zeus/poseidon?
frank fern
cast pushes back
wind vale
from the styx shop
wind vale
or trading
frank fern
i like the dual boon for getting that "1 button" privileged status on everything
wind vale
yea i use it for quick fire rail and chiron bow that way
frank fern
i did my 18 run without much pain and only using up 2 DDs with the dual
should have done 20 before nerf 😦
wind vale
i managed 26 with chiron before the nerf - lucky timing
wooden spade
Poseidon dash can be helpful for melee sometimes because you run in, slash about, then shove everyone out of the way
frank fern
tried poseidon attack on chiron bow once 😄 never again
it pushes foes out of special range
gg ... not
wind vale
was artemis crit with aphrodite duo tho
wind vale
yea its a bit inconvenient
frank fern
the other way around is fantastic
poseidon special + weak on attack or anything with a debuff
hard holly
Oof, that german localization hit me hard
Its well translated but damn german is a bad language for it
frank fern
poseidon special + weak on attack or anything with a debuff
is your save file select screen broken on german loca too?
wind vale
the debuff isnt really needed since there should be privileged status from the zeus poseidon duo anyways but damage reduction is nice to have
frank fern
getting the crit debuff is damn funny too 😄
wind vale
yea thats also a good idea - so maybe artemis on attack instead and athena on dash to get their duo as well for way better crit chance?
wow thats a surprise - first time in forever i saw a deal where i could spend darkness - sadly it was only the one time thing and not much but they exist 😄
atomic panther
Does Pat no longer give Hydralite?
fringe dawn
how the hell do I dodge the minotaur's ram attack?
kind fiber
No he still gives hydralite?
@fringe dawn Get it to hit a pillar
@fringe dawn Get it to hit a pillar
@fringe dawn Get it to hit a pillar
@fringe dawn Get it to hit a pillar
@fringe dawn Get it to hit a pillar
torn island
i am LOVING this patch
frank fern
the encounter on heat is a ton harder than hades now
atomic panther
The past three times I've gone into Pat's room, he's offered Kiss and Cyclops Jerky, but no Hydralite
I 
'd it, so hopefully that gets fixed soon
naive violet
I love that there are so many ways in which you can break the game. Just had a run with Chiron (Aphrodite Attack/Ares Special + their Duo boon and Aphrodites Charm effect). Hades couldn't even attack me for 99% of the fight, which lasted all of 30 seconds. Love conquers all indeed. Love and murder.
hard holly
@grand patrol your suggestion is for rail, but talks about spear
hard holly
Np
frank fern
they should buff poor hades or give him a heat condition 😦
basicly all bosses buffed up bosses are more dangerous than the final big guy ... feels bad
hard holly
Id say he still is the hardest
The furies are pushovers even with their upgraded versions, the Hydra is a bit challenging but reliably doable without losing any death defiances, upgraded Theseus + Asterius might actually be easier than the regular version
frank fern
the duo before him i usually run in overtime, loss a DD and so on ... hades sometimes dies with ages of time left and without loosing 200 hp
hard holly
But Hades? I still lose at least 1 if not 2 or even 3 death defiances to him
frank fern
i usually have to play them super aggressive -.-
if you reach them with a minute left
sometimes even lower
eternal stag
@grand patrol im Losing it at oh my god i can feel the effect
frank fern
if you want to kill hades on speed and not even loosing real hp you just need extra dashes
grand patrol
[shoots u with a beam that has an immediate effect]
hard holly
Idk, for Hades my issues are his shades (because some of them are a real pain in the arse), and the urns
His spin attack does also get me sometimes, but thats just my lack of patience
hard holly
Yup, thats how it goes for me as well
frank fern
the urnes are the reason i hate to take the 800% trap damage
things can oneshot you with it -.-
frank fern
never used the acron ... the spearthing makes the poision an non isue
hard holly
I like it because it makes hades a whole lot less stressful
frank fern
and im simply not fast enough to dodge the spikes of the poision guys with the 50% speed
i want that special speed ^^
vagrant hearth
Does anybody here play Hades with a Steam controller? Recs for configuration if you do?
actually disregard that, it's not letting me launch it through Steam so I can't use the controller lmao
vagrant hearth
I did, it just says the launch failed
blazing mulch
give me 1min
vagrant hearth
oh nvm it's because it was pointing to the wrong folder for some reason
blazing mulch
its fine for me
"D:\Games\Hades\x64\Hades.exe" is for me
and the steam overlay works fine
I dont have steam controller but here are mine xbox settings which are default
https://imgur.com/pvwO9Wc
vagrant hearth
yeah, looks like it defaults to those
i will say it feels more natural to me to reverse attack and dash on there 🤔 idk why
blazing mulch
Well , its you. everyone plays differently
gloomy scroll
I'm super used to hollow knight controls so that's how I've edited my controls in recent games
blazing mulch
I have seen on youtube an player which holds gamepad upside-down
crimson sundial
Wow spreadfire for the Rail is really good
median ridge
i tried filing a bug report on this but the bug report window crashed. has anyone else noticed that if you have sudden rush and poseidon attack at the same time, the poseidon knockback is completely removed?
brisk island
@Supergiant Hestia Rail don't combines with Daedalus Spread Fire anymore - this unlisted change works as intended or bug?