Its wonky
#h1-builds-and-combat
green musk
sometimes it hits everyone
still pewter
I think dio is the best designed cast so far
green musk
sometimes it hits only one in a group
hasty mauve
Sometimes it sticks aftetr bo
green musk
i think it doesn't stick when it tries to boucne to an enemy too far to bounce to
azure swan
oh my god exagryph + zeus 
green musk
except with shield -v-
hasty mauve
True
errant narwhal
dio cast is so much fun
hasty mauve
Shield is for SMOrc
green musk
what does the new sword upgrade do?
still pewter
thrust is a crit
green musk
Eeeeh
still pewter
(it's the same)
still pewter
ikr alma? dio cast is so fun
still pewter
you're a far reaching one
hasty mauve
I must
still pewter
enjoy what we got like 15 hours ago a bit first :p
hasty mauve
But
I already did everything
Codex is full again
Keepsake is powered up
Only 120 heat remains
tame depot
There's a boon that makes Amborsia give you between 15 and 50 PERMANENT HP when you pick it up (and also gives you an ambrosia ) Maybe that's a small bit OP? 😄
still pewter
I also think dio has the largest sheer number of boons. while at the same time having no "generic" boons like the vengeance ones
by far the best design so far imo as well
hasty mauve
Indeed
green musk
I mean, it isn't that much. Just a lil content to tie us over until the big boom.
aka elysium
tame depot
True, i'll reserve judgment for now but it feels like he's a got significantly more polish than the other gods.
green musk
Which will probably hit in aa few months
still pewter
probably
hasty mauve
If you get a large enough amount of boons , you just start getting the vengeance ones
green musk
and idk, you get ambrosia or you don't
hasty mauve
Which I dont like as a design choice
still pewter
nah. vengeance are simple T1s
green musk
getting 67 hp per centaur heart
still pewter
stuff like spare riches is filler
green musk
????
hasty mauve
Youre supposed to NOT get hit
green musk
that's poseidons
still pewter
poseidon doesn't give you immidiate value tho
hasty mauve
Oceans bounty is pretty nifty, but it got nerfed
tame depot
But 50hp per ambrosia is also kind of ludicrous
green musk
thanks to early poseidon
hasty mauve
Shops dont grow anymore
tame depot
I was going up to ~300hp by the middle of asphodel
still pewter
also they are not mutually exclusive. you can get both and stack them both
green musk
unfortunately
hasty mauve
Atleast the hearts
arctic pewter
So how many times are the Artemis boons gonna be reworked
green musk
imagine getting ambrosia and poseidon bounty before meg
hasty mauve
Until theyre trash ramses
green musk
400+ hp by hydra
hasty mauve
green musk
:^)
arctic pewter
Also only 1 more god planned for the year doesnt seem like much
green musk
I'm guessing they're planning to work more on elysium
arctic pewter
Yeah they're slowly getting there turtle
hasty mauve
Release Artemis was guchiguuguu
hasty mauve
Hunters dash enabling crit
arctic pewter
Yeah release Artemis was gold
Her dash should just be changed to a 4th dash I think
We need boons that extend mobolity
Mobility**
Instead of just having to choose between damage numbers
hasty mauve
Maybe when Hermes gets out
green musk
a fourth dash is so unneeded
hasty mauve
Movement speed
green musk
^
would be top tier
imagine being able to walk away from crushers
also anyone notice skull crushers feel laggy now?
hasty mauve
Oh my goodness
still pewter
walkin is so underrated in this game
arctic pewter
Double dashing in and out of lava would be cool
green musk
just the speed to go up
hasty mauve
Yeah
green musk
it makes em tedious
especiall with stuff like the rail
i just special myself to hit em coming down
green musk
also megagorgon is pain now
hasty mauve
^^^^^^^
green musk
because they seem so incsonsistent
and have like no attack delay
or tell
might be shotgun 2X in a row
hasty mauve
Cant be stunned and spams rocks
green musk
might be machine gun
hasty mauve
Yeh
hasty mauve
Tedious
plush blaze
had level 10 epic zeus attack and threw on the hydra 😔
whipped frenzy is insane btw
(PoP)
arctic pewter
What do you fellas think about removing boon rarity from the mirror and tying it to heat investment
still pewter
imo boon rarity doesn't feel very good in general
arctic pewter
As another way to incentivize using the pact
still pewter
so idk
arctic pewter
Yeah it is a bit iffy
Adding secondary effects instead of just increasing numbers would probably feel much better
still pewter
yeah. as it stands, I'll still pick a normal version of a boon I'm looking for over a rare of something I'm not
arctic pewter
Yeah which leads to a lot of feel bad scenarios in my experience
90% of the time I should want to pick the purple boon over everything else
flint totem
I did it
hasty mauve
You did it
flint totem
lost rose
WOO!
flint totem
I do feel dirty though
The main hydra basically couldn't touch me because distance of the bow and I could deflect the projectiles
But I did get the unlocks so I am not complaining
arctic pewter
Yeah my first win post patch was pretty much the same
Bow + dionysus attack + heaps of poms
Only 15 heat though :((((
flint totem
Need to actually earn the heat to even attempt that
arctic pewter
Oh damn
flint totem
Yeah those two new ones really crank up the heat rating
flint totem
Speed
hasty mauve
Tenebrous veil is goood too
flint totem
Shared misery
arctic pewter
Yeah death insurance is what I used for the 15
hasty mauve
Oh god dont do enemy speed
arctic pewter
So disappointed by the actual reward though
hasty mauve
That one is the hardest with the enemy damage
flint totem
I like the reward
lost rose
i'm still trying to choose between uhhh whether i want enemies to be tanks or whether i want them to destroy me in like two hits, lol
arctic pewter
Felt like a big f you
flint totem
Do the tank
hasty mauve
The reward is amazing wdym
flint totem
I honestly think shadow isn't horrible
lost rose
yeah i kinda decided on tank but only did a couple runs before update dropped gkjdgfd
arctic pewter
I dont mind it but was expecting something with a bit more... functionality
lost rose
nah
heat's optional and not fun for a lot of players
arctic pewter
I guess so
arctic pewter
It adds to the life of the game
flint totem
Like maybe the scythe
still pewter
Scythe ALERT
flint totem
I still want a scythe weapon damnit guys
flint totem
Daggers will be fun
hasty mauve
I also want Hades boons
flint totem
I like the new weapon but the range of it makes it feel bad man
Well scythe is more Cronus' thing isn't it?
rustic pawn
no idea
arctic pewter
Demeter is god of harvest stray
So scythe makes sense
Yeah hades boons as an unlock for beating the full game would be sick
flint totem
But Cronus' Scythe was actually depicted in greek myth
flint totem
I am expecting the Bident being an actual thing later on
arctic pewter
Dont we already have a bident?
hasty mauve
Spear actually
arctic pewter
The spear is two pronged right?
hasty mauve
Hades used it
Yeah
Tridents are 3 pronged
I still think we need Megs whip
Or an armor that you use as a weapon
flint totem
I just thought of the best upgrade for the new weapon
arctic pewter
Whip would be sweet
flint totem
Make it shooting out medusa's projectiles
arctic pewter
I'm predicting scythe with a special that acts like ares cast
flint totem
That would be cool
arctic pewter
Yeah
flint totem
Also never try to do the no hit rooms with the speed heat on
hasty mauve
And holding scythe would do a large reap attack
flint totem
I have had Louts spawn in and just hit me in the same instance
arctic pewter
Or chaos speed debuff
hasty mauve
You cant ruun
flint totem
Yeah...
I dread 120 run
Just what I would need to turn on will be painful
I know I will try my hardest not to have the healing one turned on
arctic pewter
420 heat run to unlock skelly's peace pipe relic
Enemies are passive until attacked
fervent quartz
+speed sounds like it would screw up muscle memory for dodging
hard holly
It does
fervent quartz
i have enough problems with plus damage. it's fine until i try to facetank hydra to speed up the fight
hard holly
It also makes previously trivial enemies a real challenge
Who couldve imagined that Numbskulls become as terrifying as armoured louts?
fervent quartz
to be fair, armored numbskulls are annoying without +speed
flint totem
Louts become the scariest things as they cover half a screen with their attack
hard holly
Yup
Well, thats enough Hades for a day
But Ill keep trying to get it done
Im sure at some point Ill be able to beat the Hydra with faster enemies
fervent quartz
speaking of speed, it feels a bit weird that flurry fire is basically just a turbo button https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRf5C4PrWFM&feature=youtu.be
flint totem
I need to play with the new weapon more
hard holly
I love it, its very fun
flint totem
But the range feels so disappointing to me but I do main the bow
I feel like if I did play the rail I probably learn it in mortar mode
indigo compass
i like the rail gun alot but i do think it could use a little buff 10dmg per shot feels kinda low, ok u can go close upand spam very fast but its also alot less safe to do so, coupled with the accuracy loss if u spam it kinda makes u have to go close up to the enemies for only 10dmg a shot i dont feel its worth it specially if u are going for heat runs
and the special is a little too slow for me , cant rly use it without playing risky or just going out of my way to try and actually land em
primal kayak
You can still spam it
You get pretty good coverage with the 5 shell hammer thing
The floor becomes pretty hard to see, though
ocean halo
Festive fog has the same problem
especially when you have 5-6 of them at once
may be its intended, but it sure is very frustrating
flint totem
Well I did try mastering the mortar back in Bastion so I definitely want to try to get good at the mortar here
hasty mauve
Green
still pewter
green indeed
tulip timber
I love the gun. I got Poseidon attack and double knock back legendary on first run. Excessive yeet.
Homing bullets from hammer.
Just dash shoot until empty, lob a special, repeat. Hardest part was finding the dudes I had stuck against the wall stunned.
fervent quartz
it is pretty painful to shoot witches across miles of lava, though
latent badger
I'm not really a fan of the gun. I hate how it must reload if you don't have a full clip when you shoot. Also, I wish that the grenade would just auto aim above your head. Unless the enemies are stationary, they'll almost always move out of the initial radius and just come closer to your position.
somber epoch
You can negate reload waiting by cancelling with a dash
latent badger
yeah I found that out but it's still annoying
somber epoch
you could always just look for Infinity Chamber
latent badger
it just makes me wonder, why? why should i reload if theres still bullets?
atomic panther
You can't input a dash until about half a second after you've started reloading, which happens automatically when you run out of ammo
somber epoch
its sometimes nice to top off your clip
atomic panther
Let's say you kill the last unit in a wave and have 1 ammo left. It's better to reload immediately than to fire 1 shot in the next wave and pause to refill
latent badger
Except the thing is you don't have a choice to not reload. That's what I don't like
somber epoch
you do have fine control over your bullets, at least
latent badger
you mean the aim?
somber epoch
rather your bullet consumption
atomic panther
You do have a choice whether you reload if you have ammo left
Unless you've mapped another button to the same one that reload got mapped to
latent badger
how? Every time I try to shoot without 12 in the mag it reloads instead of shoot
somber epoch
wait, what?
atomic panther
Then either that's an input/settings problem or it's a bug
somber epoch
yeah
latent badger
oh my god
high pulsar
You might have reload and shoot mapped to the same button.
somber epoch
ah well we solved your problem
latent badger
thanks guys
atomic panther
👍
atomic panther
It's completely busted with the right loadout but also really hard to get used to bc there's so many different things it does mechanically
latent badger
The shotgun upgrade was cool but slows down the game
somber epoch
i mean like
sometimes you want zag to have a shotgun
also uh flurry fire is OP
jeepers
what do you guys think of Drink God?
still pewter
best design so far imo
varied-gameplay chaging boons, really thematic, some out of the box ideas
night pasture
ares attack boon with the rail is crazy go nuts, I got a few levels of it and sure, one shot was still doing a piddly, what, 20 damage? but then applying 140ish afterwards
somber epoch
with the interesting kinds of changes that Dio brings to the table
zeus attack boon on rail is where its at
atomic panther
The stacks being different damage values is awkward but other than that he's cool
somber epoch
you shred everything
night pasture
so I just scooted around tagging things until everyone was dead forever
somber epoch
i think the most op perk is the ambrosia perk
boon*
i got an epic roll that gave me 41 max health every time i picked up an ambrosia
still pewter
yeah it's kinda nuts
and it's not mutually exclusive with poseidon
so you can get mad high hp
somber epoch
also death defiance changes are so great
and i think skull earring is now even better than before
indigo compass
has anyone ever gotten special upgrades for pom at the top of the list? i allways get atk witch means with tenebrious veil pact i cant get special upgrades at all if i have something on atk
somber epoch
IIRC the list is determined by order of boon pickup
indigo compass
no i got special first then atk
green musk
Tenebrious veil could do with shuffling the boon order ye
indigo compass
and i allways get atk as the top option
somber epoch
hrm
green musk
it usually gives you near fixed upgrades.
also sucks if it forces you into a bad boon
indigo compass
boons can go in other orders
tulip timber
It'd be cool if after the boons appeared, the veil shuffled through and blocked a random boon.
indigo compass
but poms dont seem to do that
witch is frustrating when im trying to go for special
tulip timber
So every time the 3 choices showed up you got a slot machine effect.
green musk
ah ye, poms
indigo compass
got an epic on special that cant be upgraded
green musk
same with HAMMAH
tulip timber
Upgrades / boons: whenever the 3-choice thing pops up, shuffle shuffle.
indigo compass
yeah but hammer upgrades are randomized in the list
i mean i could be wrong but in about 20 attempts i havent seen any switching of atk and special upgrades for poms
just got meg down without getting hit in 120 heat, i feel so good right now:p till i die in asphodel anyways:p
somber epoch
man i used to have trouble with meg
this was mostly due to the fact i wouldn't actually try to dodge her attacks
indigo compass
got 130 hp and 3 death defiances for asphodel, might just make it this time:p if im lucky
somber epoch
also Poseidon + gun is hilarious
tulip timber
Yeah. I got poseidon gun attack + legendary on my first gun run.
indigo compass
ive been to hydra 3 times now 120 heat but i allways screw up on the last 2 head phases
tulip timber
Some say the dudes are still being knocked back to this day.
somber epoch
you hit them so hard they enter someone's playthrough of Bastion
green musk
Hydra is annoying because it's hard to keep track of all the heads, AND zag's position
like, it's so easy to dash into lava by accident trying to dodge
indigo compass
yeah add 150% dmg on that and its a nightmare
green musk
150% isn't that much yet
green musk
Heat is still tedious.
doing everything to avoid making enemies bullet sponges
Coz bosses with +% health is annooooooyiiinnnnggggg
indigo compass
oh dang sorry:p
yeah hard to avoid alot of the pacts for 120 heat so:) its allways hard
im at least not trying to use whipped frenzy atm because the speed on numbskulls is insane
tulip timber
As long as you don't trigger repeat auto-deletes I don't think they mind. It's more intentionally avoiding filters and sexual innuendo / explicit comments that get you a talking to.
I think they recognize that accidents happen with curses. 😃
somber epoch
I just use blood and darkness
indigo compass
haha yeah but still ive been trying my best not to say bad stuff anyways:p
was my first auto delete so far:p
oh man im allmost too scared to go on with my run
tulip timber
I've had a couple, I'm usually pretty good. I really appreciate the policing of jerk language.
indigo compass
asphodel is just so long
i got a good chance this time with 3death defiance left and 130 hp but still, imm prolly gonna screw up somehow
tulip timber
You know, I mind death a lot less in this game than other Roguelikes. But I think part of that is because there's only 2 floors currently, so you're never losing THAT much on a run if you die.
somber epoch
@plush shell regarding your post in #hades-feedback I believe the reason it works the way it does right now is that your relative seed stays the smae
tulip timber
Once it gets into 3-5 floors I might get stressed more.
somber epoch
where Giving Up is more of a "let's try this run again"
plush shell
If that's the case, that's a bother.
indigo compass
yeah i dont mind deaths on normal runs but ive been trying 120 heat for quite a while now:p
somber epoch
yeah
indigo compass
its getting to me
somber epoch
im sure it'll get ironed out later
plush shell
I didn't know it worked like that. 🤷
Maybe they should make it so giving up gives you a new seed like dying would then
somber epoch
Yeah, I think that'll come with time
tulip timber
Though I think keeping the give up mechanic (where the run repeats) is probably good for Heat runners.
indigo compass
yeah currently for my heat runs its very frustrating that give up doesent change much so i have to let myself die
plush shell
I just came back from a break to check out the new patch and, after a bad run, figured "eh, I've gotten some good stuff, may as well end it here and unlock some of the new toys."
tulip timber
Yes, but if you have a good run and mess up mechanically, you can get a similar run right?
somber epoch
yes
plush shell
And then realised that I lost everything by choosing to Give Up instead of just standing in lava.
indigo compass
for me its hurting me more than its helping tbh: often times i want another boon and i cant just give up cuz i get the same one
somber epoch
maybe
maybe the add an option on the Give Up screen
that says either to kill zag or to reset the run
somber epoch
what if I don't have a copy of the Pixar movie Up on hand? What then, game?
tulip timber
I'm hoping they don't put seed manipulation / entry into the game. I've never really liked that feature very much.
somber epoch
I hope modders eventually break this game wide open
Not to say that SGG hasn't made a great game, but I'd love to see some otherwise impossible combinations
tulip timber
I don't mind that cause I probably won't do much with it. But having the "Enter Seed" option built into the game irks me for no good reason.
somber epoch
I wonder if we'll get something like Daily Runs
tulip timber
That'd be cool.
I'd like a daily leaderboard.
That's been one of my favorite parts of Slay the Spire.
It could just dump you into Zags room, mirror, pact, weapon, and relic are locked (they are the daily run condition variables; you can inspect them to find out what the run is), and you get as far as you can as fast as you can.
Ranked by Rooms cleared first, then time taken. Full clears top the list.
tulip timber
I see that as being more side-mission game things in the locked House of Hades rooms.
Like the Bastion weapon challenges.
somber epoch
"You open the door and find an old man. He says his name is Rucks."
tulip timber
Now that they have released a gun, I have no idea what future weapon(s) might be.
somber epoch
Hammer, probs
tulip timber
You can't upgrade a hammer with a hammer.
still pewter
joke's on you, you upgrade the daedalus hammer
indigo compass
ah nice i got a premium vintage from dio in my run now finnally some extra hp
somber epoch
though i really want chronos or a time-related god at some point
hasty mauve
Timestop legendary boon
shadow mountain
it took me a whole minute to realize dio meant Dionysus and I thought y’all started talking about Jojo
tulip timber
Based on the theme, I doubt we get out of the main pantheon / olympians for the boons.
indigo compass
wow weird i just got a free pom fountain room into a free pom just before hydra lol
hasty mauve
But I want ALL THE GODS
shadow mountain
Then again, he could show up in another form. Chaos is a primordial god like chronos
hasty mauve
Also demi gods and heroes
shadow mountain
I mean chronos is technically a titan but close enough
hasty mauve
Titan boons
shadow mountain
Yeah we do have Achilles so far
hasty mauve
tulip timber
Like, it'd be weird to have Lawrence the God of Haircuts hanging out giving boons with everyone else.
indigo compass
ok 3death defiances for hydra and over 100hp:) i might acutally make it this time
indigo compass
yessss i finaly did it
somber epoch
nice!
indigo compass
120 heat
somber epoch
does that get a new skelly statue?
somber epoch
you can be spoiled here
errant narwhal
@twin pasture please post that in #off-topic-discussion if you must, this is not the channel for that 😅
also @narrow girder irt your message in feedback, that sounds more like a bug so I’m gonna delete it, just report that in game with F10 the next time you encounter it !
also, good to see you again :D
somber epoch
What if I have feedback about the quality of mod puns
errant narwhal
you gotta take it up with the mods and settle the score through hand to hand combat
somber epoch
Oh I think they are too good currently
twilit narwhal
i like the gun. i beat hydra on my second attempt (got infinity charge in the first room)
i don't like the twin shot for the bow though. the range on it is hampered so much that it's difficult, at best, to stay in range of hydra heads without getting hit
pastel jolt
let's see how this goes
night pasture
has anyone determined what the mechanics of the new mirror upgrade are?
I hadn't stockpiled any keys to unlock it off the bat
pastel jolt
tougher than i expected but still a win
proud storm
Fated Authority lets you change the next chamber's reward x times per run
hasty mauve
It hasnt worked wonders for me
plucky oxide
I like it! Seems every time you're next to a boon door you can reroll it to get another boon. Doing it for a coin/key/skull door seems to just switch between the three. I haven't done it on a hammer room, but I can imagine there's another tier of switching between pom, shop, hammer.
I have a question: does a heat gate consume your god's trinket effect? Because if so, that's kinda upsetting.
pastel jolt
:D
still pewter
dedication
grand patrol
yaaaaa!!!!
gloomy scroll
ok so I just got the choice between having gun with crit chance and buffed dmg (epic) or +3 CASTS thx artemis, making the choices easy aren't we
pure fox
funfact: i beat my first hydra on my 95th run 😂
pure fox
i got my ass handed to me by meg most of the time
pure fox
pastel jolt
yaaaay i just beat meg while unable to dash :'D
i..... may have miscalculated my chamber count when i was taking a chaos boon
somber epoch
i mean like
you have a counter now, sparrow
you shouldn't mess that up anymore :P
worn owl
Haha I think it's been three times now I have gone into the room with the big snakes with a Charon curse on me
worn owl
Hahaha
I should look up about
Chambers, etc
If there is a set amount before each boss, what counts as a chamber, etc
somber epoch
yeh
pastel jolt
let it be known that artemis attack + rapid fire on bow absolutely melts the hydra
hard holly
Ok, beat Whipped Frenzy Meg
And Im already terrified of facing the Hydra with faster attacks
Oof, tough decision
Pom of Power, or Zeus + Athena room when I have his attack boon and splitting bolt already
Storm Lightning, I mean
atomic panther
I turned on Whipped Frenzy to max and took 40 damage in the first room against two louts
Never again
hard holly
Got splitting bolt
Noice
So uh
Murderboat with splitting bolt makes it impossible to see anything
hasty mauve
hard holly
Whipping Frenzy Hydra, lets go
atomic panther
I'd put it in feedback but I don't know how to word it constructively: the brimstones make the murderboat even more impossible than it already was
hard holly
Welp, it died like a chump
Eh
I dont think the murderboat is even that hard anymore
atomic panther
16 damage per shot is not bad and 22% crit chance is great
hard holly
I mean best case is you crit
At which point you do 48 damage
Or you could have Zeus, and always do 48 damage
Then again, anything that isnt Zeus (and maybe Dionysus) is generally weak on gun primary
Except shotgun
atomic panther
And? This person didn't get Zeus, and Artemis was their second god anyway, so they didn't choose her
hard holly
Eh, fair
I was just more doing an observation
Huh, now that I think about it
You cant even get the usual crit lucksack with shotgun since each bolt can crit seperately
atomic panther
Yeah :/ but it can get silly with Aphrodite attack + Legendary
hard holly
Ive had Aphrodites legendary twice
atomic panther
Magical christmas land though that may be
atomic panther
That's just unlucky then
outer sphinx
Holy smokes, just got off a run with Zeus bounce, legendary, crit chance with the faster firing gun, that was so much fun
Hydra went down like a chump
proud storm
iirc the effect for aphro's legendary is hard to see
turbid needle
pastel jolt
hardmode hydra: spam dionysus cast at it so much that you can't actually see its animations any more
turbid needle
bro
just let the skelton bro's spawn
the visuals will be sucha mess
you cant see yourself
atomic panther
Be sure to compliment the casts with Bombs for Maximum Obscurity
atomic panther
It's just as funny as Blade Rifts critting
hard holly
All damage can crit with pressure points, which is hilarious
atomic panther
11, 11, 33, 11, 11
hard holly
Shame though that most damage amplification doesnt affect blight
hard holly
Urge to Kill and Chaos boons dont
My guess is with how bad Ares curse is, they just let it have that little help
atomic panther
Well bonus to attack damage won't affect it bc it's an after effect, same as those don't affect Zeus attack. Boiling blood, on the other hand, affects Curse, so it should also affect Blight
pastel jolt
hang on wrong screenshot
there we go. the "what the hell is the theme here" build
the theme is "knocking back enemies with the gun is really, really funny until you realise they didn't die and now you have to chase them into the lava, oops"
atomic panther
Grasp for +3 casts wow
south comet
Yea I tried the gun with knockback and I was not a fan
pastel jolt
like, it really is funny, because you hit them and they just vanish off into the distance
and it's also super fun stunlocking things into corners with breaking wave, because the rate of fire is high enough that you just blast them
but then things don't die and it's just. hm.
atomic panther
It may be a bug, I don't think it's supposed to knock back that far
pastel jolt
that's why that run was 20 minutes when my average is about 17/18
south comet
I hope it’s not a bug because using knockback with my shield is my favorite thing ever
pastel jolt
(i think they meant the gun knocking back that far)
atomic panther
Yeah, the gun knocks enemies WAY far back
south comet
Oooo is it especially crazy? It didn’t seem that bad when I used it
pastel jolt
it might just be that the rate of fire means the knockback accumulates
atomic panther
I was using hold attack with the infinite ammo and it still knocked enemies offscreen
The special knocks back that much too but that may be intentional bc it's nigh impossible to hit with it
heady palm
if you have it like a shotgun and then with backfire is a lot of fun 😄
south comet
I ended up just accidentally shooting people out of the special with my knockback lol
Poseidon was not helpful on that one
Also how are people liking festive fog? Haven’t tried a run with it yet
hard holly
Its odd
You dont get boiling blood so its not optimal
Plus the damage is only on the original explosion
fervent quartz
It doesn't deal high enough damage to justify the multiplier loss
hard holly
But the effect is decently useful against regular enemies
Main issue I have is that against bosses its kind of very not good
pastel jolt
i enjoy it because it does tend to deal fairly high damage from what i can tell
fervent quartz
Ares just feels waaaay stronger
pastel jolt
it's a little tricky to aim but it's useful that you can charge and hold it while a wave spawns in and tweak where it'll land
fervent quartz
I'd like it if enemies in the cloud were effected by boiling blood
worn owl
same with blade rifts
especially if it affected blade rift ticks 😃
that said I don't even take boiling blood in my heat runs now
covert hatch
Question: can you get boons from two gods affecting cast?
Or does taking one boon remove boons from the other god's pools that affect that attack
pastel jolt
the second one
covert hatch
Thought so but wasn't sure
pastel jolt
if you take, say, shatter shot from aphrodite, you can't also get true shot from artemis
worn owl
would be neat if you could double up like in kirby 64 but that is probably a lot of work
covert hatch
I was hoping on stacking blade rift cast with Dionysus
shell finch
guys, flurry fire or piercing fire for zeus? i think flurry? But piercing is good for the second floor (when there is a ton of enemies) in a clump
shell finch
yeah, figured. Thank you 😄
I'm specifically using this to beat Meg without mirror
feels cheap man
still died to "survive for x secs" room. only one dash is painful, haha
worn owl
ooo does that unlock new dialogue?
shell finch
i dunno, haven't done it yet
she blamed me for using mirror
pity, had a perfect run, flurry and zeus epic attack level 4
hasty mauve
First meg blames you for using mirror
Then calls you stupid for using the pact
Meg please
worn owl
happened to me in the other order
hasty mauve
pastel jolt
adamant rail now has a wiki page
carmine briar
goddamnit I messed up this run... picked a chaos curse that drains 4 hp per attack, with railgun 
I forgot how annoying the special is
shell finch
so i beat her without mirror, and what she does? she flirts with Hypnos
hard holly
Its not terribly relevant either way
Piercing shots dont help too much if you can even hit 2 enemies
shell finch
no acknowledgement. typical Meg
hard holly
And doing more damage to armour is merely ok
Well technically Hypnos merely confuses Meg
hasty mauve
I lost a 120 heat run cause I went to chaos with tenebrous veil and was forced to take the one that makes you loose hp when you dash
night pasture
the Dionysus wiki page lists "Wrath of Dionysus" in the boon progression requirements, but not anywhere in the boons
was that a copy/paste error?
hard holly
Also I love the interaction where Zag tells Meg that she is getting affected by Hypnos's mannerism
hasty mauve
Im not there yet
Or havent gotten all the dialogue
New dialogue for not using mirror at all?
green musk
just finished a run at 1 hp
xD
lowest I've ever gotten lately
mainly because I don't like how sloppy the gun is to use
and because chaos got me
It spawned TWO megagorgons
almost crashing the game
gg
pastel jolt
@night pasture i think so. lemme fix
night pasture
thanks, not urgent or anything!
shell finch
Ketrai, thank the SGG for that 1 hp
most likely it was due to how they made it that you survive with 1 hp in case of a lethal attack
Meg baited me into no mirror and then ignored me when I beat her fair and square, lul
shell finch
devs
hasty mauve
Oh
stuck bloom
So is it possible to change the next room's reward to a boon or not? cause i just tested it out and for ten of the rolls, none were boons from gods... which is a biggest sad of all
worn owl
Zord my guess is that there are separate pools for boon/pom/charon/hammer and darkness/heat/key/ambrosia/obols
hasty mauve
No
stuck bloom
sad
stuck bloom
hopefully
hasty mauve
2 hammers would gigamegaopop
worn owl
some conflict though and you'd basically have to give them slots like boons
hasty mauve
O damn
stuck bloom
more broken game is in terms of my build - more fun it is.
worn owl
which would not change how I play bow or shield
hard holly
It wouldnt work
worn owl
but would be very nice for sword
hard holly
Hammer upgrades are often incompatible
stuck bloom
unless they make them compatible
worn owl
because a special upgrade for sword benefits attacks
hard holly
Would require too much effort I imagine
Personally I do like hammers as a one and done kinda deal
stuck bloom
ALL HAMMERS
turbid needle
is Dionysus' cast power landing outside the moving island in Asphodel behavior that is intended (and if not was it fixed in the hotfix?)
stuck bloom
ok, too much of a meme build that would be
hard holly
Whoops all hammers
worn owl
I feel like hammers should give you all options but that is maybe making it too likely to get in a rut of running the same thing always
hasty mauve
I dunno ninny
stuck bloom
balance is the last thing i care about lol
worn owl
but man I want my minotaur rush and steady shot always
stuck bloom
Zeus basic attack boon with the new weapon is a frikin oneshot machine of any clustered enemies.
i just need to get the legendary and the ho boi no one will live
stuck bloom
eh, i like it ez
thats why i dont use pact, unless it is to add more enemies to kill
keen fulcrum
fun combo i've found for aegis is Ares special boon (curse of agony?) with the hammer upgrade that makes the special rapid-fire, but single target
stuck bloom
still salty about curse being unstackable
high pulsar
I feel like stackable curse would be way too powerful. However, it would be cool if there was an Ares boon that could let you stack a limited amount of curses. For example, 2 curses to start, and then +1 for each pom. Might still be op, though.
manic ermine
Ares is just worse than dio right now
indigo compass
idk man epic ares is still good
fun combo tbh
dio ares
ares on shield special is kinda fun
hard holly
In almost all scenarios he is, yes
But Ares was always bad
Really, Dio is just what Ares shouldve been, in a way
high pulsar
I feel like Ares hits a little faster, so if you just need to get that last bit of damage, or can't hit very fast, he can kill faster than Dio.
night pasture
no way, you want to pump up ares attack with aegis
indigo compass
ares is also great for death insureance :p
night pasture
then you just slam around clockwise in the hydra room and everything dies
indigo compass
u hit el once and ares does the 2nd one then u atk for dmg:p
high pulsar
Does Dio burn through death insurance?
hard holly
Except that shield special itself is really bad, but yes
indigo compass
nah its not bad at all imo
hard holly
The problem with Ares, essentially, is that he wants attacks that are slow, do low damage, and also are worth using
Currently there is 1 such attack in the game
Gun Special
Except if Im not mistaken, Athena is still better on Gun Special
Yup, it is
Poseidon might be as well, Im not 100%
night pasture
anything that pierces can apply curse to like half a room at once, though
including charging back and forth on the murder boat with bullrush
indigo compass
shield bounce is great for aoe:p
hard holly
True, but it also applies the regular damage to half the room at once
high pulsar
Athena boons still do more damage than Ares on most specials, though.
hard holly
The problem with shield bounce is that it fails the "worth using" test
indigo compass
alot of numbskulls is why i love the shield special now:p
hard holly
Youre way better off just using the shield normally
Meaning attacks and bullrush
I did think it was good on gun special
night pasture
ares curse starts at something like 70 damage, though, which is essentially matching weapon attack
hard holly
But having looked at the numbers, yeah, its not
30
70 is epic
Pretty high tier epic, at that
night pasture
really? that low?
hard holly
No wait
opaque mulch
i prefer to use the special on the shield and just run around while it is bouncing around. it is my favorite attack
hard holly
40 for attack, 30 for special
worn fulcrum
It's +50% damage on gun special, which isn't great
worn fulcrum
It very much has a niche, though, I think it just wants numbers tweaks
indigo compass
well everyone ha their own playstyle 😃
hard holly
Well, addendum:
worn fulcrum
Namely, doing a lot more damage on a much longer delay like it used to be
tame sable
i finally killed the hydra for the first time 😄 with a combination of relentless barrage, blight on special, pressure points, hide breaker, support fire artemis legendary(funnily enough it proccs of of the blight ticks as well^^)
hard holly
Shield sword spear bow and gun primary all have better boons
worn fulcrum
congrats!
hard holly
Zeus and Athena, primarily
Poseidon and Dionysus are acceptable substitutes
And of the specials worth using
worn fulcrum
the niche for ares special is bow
hard holly
Its worse than Athena on Gun, way worse than Athena on Spear, and not good on sword
Im not sure bow special is worth using as anything other than "projectile deletion"
Even then I prefer the deflection from Athenas boon
worn fulcrum
Hitting the whole room for 40 is a lot better than for 10
And if you get a highroll epic, hitting the whole room for 80 is downright usable
hard holly
If you werent on "whoops all 200 damage shots" bow, maybe
worn fulcrum
Deflect is nice, but +% damage is a bit part of Athena's power and bow special doesn't really use that so well, I think
Well, yeah, bow attack is the best thing you can do always
hard holly
True, but you want to use bows primary rather than the special
So the special is more utility
And Athenas is the best
But sure
worn fulcrum
It's substantially better than everything else in the game
worn fulcrum
Utility-wise, since it clears projectiles even without Athena, I dunno
Yeah, that's true
Gun is more dependant on getting specific things
Bow gets broken by +% attack boons, Hunter Dash, and both dash-attack and normal-attack Chaos boons, and it's pretty likely to hit one of those in a run
hard holly
True
tame sable
well honestly i felt my special was quite strong in my run because i could pepper everyone with blight and the artemis legendary was doing the rest ^^
opaque mulch
artemis legendary with the railgun is so lovely xD
raven spoke
got that in a game yesterday, it super is
worn owl
now that they got stacks in game they really should make ares a build stacks to spawn blade rift imo
instead of curse damage
hasty mauve
Only 6 bottles of the great
What do i do with all of mine
I've just been selling them for stuff
Still have 30 left 😄
safe mesa
gotta build those hearts in the mini dating sim
safe mesa
turbid needle
I was upset that Good Times update still doesn't let you romance the dog
hasty mauve
What.
hard holly
Jazz music stops
turbid needle
huh
just had a really good run going and
the game just... closed itself??
maybe i pressed something accidentally but i don't think so
well that's new
vestal snow
A fun idea just occured to me for a possible use of Ambrosia late-game, when it's not very useful anymore
What if every god had an "ambrosia boon" where, if you had the boon, you could drink Ambrosia to become briefly superpowered, along that god's theming
So for Zeus, you'd be like a ball of lighting for 5 seconds, and Athena would give you a few seconds of invulnerablity and Ares would have you deal massive damage, etc.
sort of like that god-mode function in Transistor
covert hatch
What should I prioritize unlocking at the mirror?
pastel jolt
dashes, death defies, heal between chambers, cast ammo
oh god that reminds me i need to update the mirror's wiki page,,
covert hatch
And toward the bottom of the list?
I have enough keys for God's Pride but not the one below that
pastel jolt
olympian favor and god's pride are for later stages when you've mostly done the rest
the one at the very bottom is a massive darkness sink that you definitely shouldn't go for at the expense of other stuff
iiiiii can't remember off the top of my head what it's called bc it jsut got added
hard holly
Id put boiling blood above cast
pastel jolt
isn't it something like 5k darkness just for the first rank of it
fated authority, that's it
indigo compass
fated authority starts at 1000darkness
pastel jolt
jesus. it would take 165,000 darkness to max fated authority
grand patrol
somber epoch
how do you know what it goes up to?
native ether
Good reason to ensure I'm never running the heat pact option that limits my darkness amount :p
hasty mauve
Have you guys noticed
When you charge up bullrush, the center of the shield bites 😄
And makes little chomping noices
pastel jolt
a chompy boy!!!
hasty mauve
Nomnom
pastel jolt
i hadn't noticed because i avoid the shield
icy edge
If they ever let hades give zag a keepsake, I hope it interacts with onions like Dionysus does with ambrosia bottles
hard holly
The infinity onions
icy edge
Ahahah, yes
Every onion counts as a pom
pastel jolt
i'm just not that good with it to be honest!
hasty mauve
But
hard holly
Then you get Hades power to snap enemies if they fail to kill you after a certain amount of time
somber epoch
Smack?
worn fulcrum
Woo, got my first 60+ heat clear
atomic panther
Nice!
worn fulcrum
I had Spear, 8-damage-blight-wine-on-attack, 4-damage-blight-wine-on-dash (which was actively bad, since it overwrote the better DoT), and the 400% damage to armor special
Was a lot of fun
hasty mauve
I got my shotgun gun
All I wished for today at work
Then I double barreled everything to the moon 🎈
somber epoch
I had a good roll zeus attack boon and flurry fire
now all i want in life is art of zag as a mobster with a tommy gun
terse plank
does anyone know if the gods pride and olympian favour mirror upgrades compete with each other or stack?
worn owl
I do wonder how the actual code for that works
pastel stone
did anyone find out yet how broken is the spear special
hasty mauve
Which one
pastel stone
spear special = spear throw
pastel stone
no idea
oh wait redheadorama gave me thumbs down
isn't he the one who completed 120 heat
hasty mauve
They don't want it to get nerfed
Dang cheesers
I dunno
I got close today then I started hecking up
Maybe tomorrow 😃
hasty mauve
Well true
😛
But still that seems like a little much for spear
I get that the special was kinda bad but whadduheck
grim loom
spear, flurry, level 5 artemis attack
somber epoch
nice!
grim loom
^v^
grim loom
yeah ive gotten pretty close with gun
hasty mauve
Grats lads 👍
grim loom
why isnt the update showing up on the launcher?
hasty mauve
Im on 45 completed runs 😄 As of now I only need 120 heat run and then I'll have everything unlocked for the next update
errant narwhal
try restarting it, qaz
grim loom
does pressure points apply to blight wine?
worn owl
yes
errant narwhal
@frank mason im deleting your feedback as it is a bug, please report it in-game with F10!
also, make sure your game is the latest version, I think the megagorgon issues were supposed to be fixed
dusky drum
whats the dionysus legendary
since i think i got his lvl 2 yesterday
and didnt have the luck for a 3rd
atomic panther
Put that in #h1-story-discussion
dusky drum
kk
grim loom
is it normal to get two legendary buffs in the same room
atomic panther
Lucky :D
turbid needle
dang thats awesome
i got back to back trial of the gods rooms today
it was a good run... until my game crashed
hard holly
I still maintain Aphrodites legendary is bugged and does nothing
Zeus however is busted
toxic acorn
athena's legendary is my least favorite, but i also play fairly aggressively. aphro's is kinda weak bc it doesn't help vs hydra, and that's really the major difficulty for most runs. (that and the river crossing)
atomic panther
I want to get Ares' but ||I don't like using the blade rift cast||
grim loom
||splitting bolt|| two runs in a row? why not
atomic panther
I beat 60 Heat with zeus attack + flurry jab
I had the option for vicious skewer i'd already chosen zeus attack so I figured I'd just go for it 🤷
frigid robin
should i go for flurry fire or cooling chamber
atomic panther
Flurry Fire
frigid robin
i had a feeling 
atomic panther
It takes a bit to get used to the lower accuracy but it's worth it in the end
frigid robin
its my second run ever with the gun so im not too good at it yet lol