Seems a lot of work when we're < a week before patch. ๐
#h1-builds-and-combat
tulip timber
drifting hemlock
Hmm Dan might be right here
analog crystal
True, do you think they'd change up the enemies HP?
Actually
There's gonna be a lot of balancing so probably
tulip timber
And then you'd just have to check your work anyway.
drifting hemlock
I mean a "major update" could be anything
analog crystal
Tbf, Hades has a great set up for being a dating game with hot characters, ambrosia, and a collection of genders for different preferences
It's perfect
Also I just got 3 poms in a row with 1 boon, level 7 boon run here we gooooo
tulip timber
I had one of those with Zeus dash the other day. One boon, one button run.
hollow totem
Bow looking really clean
tbh its cause its hammer buffs are consistently buffs
Unlike the other weapons that largely have niche applications and or just on the brink of useless ness
analog crystal
I would have to disagree
Atm I have an equal number of wins in bow, sword and spear
tulip timber
Shield is worst hammer only because so many are special-related.
analog crystal
Shield isn't suited for me
But I feel like the weapons are very well balanced, it's all due to preference @hollow totem
hollow totem
I really dont think that any other weapon has a consitent amount of amazing hammer boons compared to the bow
tulip timber
Agreed. Though I do hope shield gets some love in this patch. I like it in concept, but my only "shield" wins have been largely cast or dash based.
long herald
i think some of the 300% vs armor should be removed super useless vs bosses should move it to boons instead
hollow totem
the bow only has like one bad hammer boon
analog crystal
Oh you were talking about hammer boons my bad
hollow totem
*2
analog crystal
Yeah 100% bow is insane
long herald
all my shield wins have been cast based
analog crystal
I really enjoy the sword super nova hammer boon
It's a lot of fun, especially with Epic Athena on special
tulip timber
Athena special is pretty hilarious on heavy witch rooms.
hollow totem
cause they just fall behind
analog crystal
Sword is gonna have lifedrinker readded
hollow totem
deflecting 5 million projectile is amazing
analog crystal
So that's a plus
long herald
with sword i have most fun when i get the fast strikes boon then pair is with athenas attack or zues and its really strong
hollow totem
Yeah that's a good one
long herald
whats lifedrinker ?
analog crystal
Cuts your max health but your final blow gives you some health back
tulip timber
I haven't had a good fast strikes sword run. My favorite sword so far was World Breaker + Poseidon attack for ultra-YEET.
hollow totem
they're buried by special only boons
analog crystal
Spear has some nice ones, the only issue is when you're offered not good ones and your whole run is kinda a dud
long herald
hahaha i actually think double dash is like 3rd of 4th best boon on it at least its not 300% vs armor
hollow totem
that are neccesitate special builds
analog crystal
I think the spear special crit boon is underrated
hollow totem
Its meh
analog crystal
For hammer
tulip timber
I find spear special underwhelming in general, but I haven't tried hammer crit.
long herald
really i think spear special takes to long to cast to be usefull
analog crystal
With backstab bonus if you're using mirror
hollow totem
I'd go with spear just cuz spin attack dashing
long herald
spin attack is really fun
analog crystal
Yep, but I've heard a decent amount of people prefer shield
long herald
either 200% aoe or fast spin work
tulip timber
I think shield is worst, but I think it'll come in line if special is fixed.
analog crystal
Spear spin attack is insane with artemis dash
long herald
shield charging is fun other than that i feel like it does so little damage
hollow totem
I think the sheidl is prolly the strongest tartarus run
but it just falls off so hard in aspho
long herald
yeah
analog crystal
Shield used to be OPOP but then they nerfed it
hollow totem
relies too much on safe but low damage
long herald
damn wish i played it when it was op
tulip timber
Yeah, shield is good in Tart. Special needs to work without walls, and currently it doesn't.
hollow totem
that just doesnt work when millions of mobs are thrown at you in an open area
I think the current state of the sheild is fine
beginner friendly is fine
long herald
xD the skeletons are the only thing i cant see attack animation on
analog crystal
Actually can we talk about how bad Athena's damage reduce boon is? Like Aphro's is twice as good at the same stage I'm pretty sure
long herald
or its like 0.1 secound
analog crystal
Has any1 else noticed it
hollow totem
Sheild throw is literally free money in tartarus
tulip timber
Aphro's doesn't apply to things out of melee.
Its range is pretty small.
Athena's is global.
So I think it's fine they have different values.
long herald
poseidon tide with artimes ๐
tulip timber
I dunno, I like Poseidon cast when using bow.
long herald
his gain boon is pritty good getting +50 from centuar
analog crystal
I actually love poseidon cast
drifting hemlock
Once the full game is out it would be fun getting the 20% dmg reduction on the shield and get high buffed dmg reduction from Athena and Aphro... I wonder if you could become invulnerable
tulip timber
It's a good "EVERYTHING LEAVE" ability.
analog crystal
I think poseidon is the best room boon, but the worst boss boon
hollow totem
I suggested a sandbox training area where you could test boons builds But #hades-feedback didnt like that
I thought it was an okay idea
long herald
i think poseidon attack should push back bosses maybe not hydra but bosses siimilar to meg
tulip timber
May have just been they didn't think test room should be high priority.
long herald
the only issue i would have with that it take away some fun from discovering boons threw the struggle @hollow totem
hollow totem
Nah they upvote lots of little things the idea just wasnt wanted which is okay
long herald
through*
tulip timber
I think Meg not being pushable is fine. But I think knocking her adds into her should hurt her like slam.
hollow totem
its w/e
long herald
i like that idea
hollow totem
Im assuming the devs already have something like that set up tho
analog crystal
Poseidon's legendary boon is completely useless against bosses, it's pretty feelsbadman
hollow totem
Unless they just use console commands
drifting hemlock
Theres also some redundancy to testing builds in a sandbox due to it being random once you start a run
hollow totem
I mean yes but people love doing fun random things
analog crystal
I'm excited to see Artemis's art when they add it in, she's the only god with placeholder art
analog crystal
Already stan
hollow totem
Tbh this
analog crystal
I think artemis is like, by far the most popular god
drifting hemlock
What about Charon and Boulder boy? Don't they have placeholders aswell?
hollow totem
I just want every god to be as good as artemis and every weapon to have hammer boons like the bow
leh sigh
long herald
yeah super hyped for the new patch play a few runs every day and my eyes zoom in on the days left corner
yeah some boons from hammer are just sad
analog crystal
I think there are 5 placeholders in the game atm
Charon, sis, orph, nyx and artemis
grand patrol
rip everyone remembers bouldy more than sisyphus
drifting hemlock
Talking about the hammer can someone explain to me how there exists a 300% more damage to armored enemies AND a 400% damage to everything for the same weapon? Isn't the second one strictly better?
analog crystal
I looove sis don't @ me
grand patrol
oh same!!!
analog crystal
He's such a gentle soul
grand patrol
sisy GOOD
drifting hemlock
All he wants is for bouldy to be at the top of the hill ๐ข
analog crystal
Does anyone else greet you like he does when you enter the room? No, absolute madlad
long herald
well 400% but a single chop and 300% on the 3 combo thing
but tbh 400% chop is hella lot better than 300% imo
grand patrol
hes excited to see you!!!! hes wonderful
drifting hemlock
Wait why do you guys get excitement from him? I only get the "Uh.. prince?" when i enter his room ...
analog crystal
I hope he looks wholesome in his final art
long herald
thats cuz your attacking him
drifting hemlock
I would never! ๐ฎ
errant narwhal
Thatโs bc you break the pots
long herald
and his heart ๐ข
tulip timber
The pots are the only thing he has. You monster.
long herald
hahaha
errant narwhal
No thatโs bouldy
drifting hemlock
He has a boulder! We don't even have our own boulder!
I want to play as Sassafras!
errant narwhal
Hades minigame, YOU push a boulder up a hill eternally
how are those fangames going
glossy slate
The pioneers used to drive those babies for miles
long herald
in my opinion its the boulders that are evil
glossy slate
Where do you think he hides all of the gyros
long herald
uhh i do know where but let me tell you to get it past cerbrus requires you ti hide it with anothe cent
glossy slate
No.
analog crystal
That full stop adds so much rejection jeeeez
drifting hemlock
Meg has approx. 5000 hp
analog crystal
I wish there was a way to show your appreciation for Sis, I've maxed out all my ambrosia's so now I can't show my loveee
And damn, no wonder she's a grind
drifting hemlock
There was some iffyness where my cast hit and damaged her but instantly dropped the shard and assuming those actually hit for full damage it makes for an exact 5000 hp
Was nice to have Trueshot dealing 150 precisely so i just had to count the amount of casts ๐
analog crystal
I think the invul on Meg needs to be reworked a bit
Idk though
It feels a bit cheap sometimes that your damage didn't go through and there was no prior indication
drifting hemlock
there should be clear phases, same goes for the hydra, Small marks on the boss health bar should do the trick
versed tree
I had a suggestion for hades in that maybe instead of armor or different looking outfits maybe there should be an option to change the color of the outfit instead of the look
versed tree
Yes and by outfit I mean his default look
analog crystal
While I do think that'd be cool
I think that it should have a very low priority compared to gamplay mechanics
glossy slate
Save that for full release yeah
analog crystal
There's so much they are doing with weapons, boons from gods, floors, enemies, bosses etc
Cosmetics should take the backseat for early access I think (and the game is hecking beautiful big ups to SGG)
glossy slate
Although now Iโm imagining Zag in a suit and tie and Iโm very pleased with this image
analog crystal
I would love the weapon to look a lil different according to the boon applied
Or your boots with dash idk
glossy slate
Changing the dash upgrade changes the particle effects of walking
glossy slate
same
analog crystal
Omg bless
versed tree
Youโre right minor thing but I was also thinking about the dual weapon thing maybe have an ability to take two weapons but when switching itโs on a cool down or have the special charge abilities stripped
analog crystal
Idk, I don't really like that
It'd get too complex with boon management
And broken
still pewter
sword and board!
analog crystal
Bow attack and sword special would be insane
glossy slate
New keepsake: Duct Tape
analog crystal
CEASE THIS
versed tree
Like keep one ability to charge attack for one weapon and when using the other one the rapid fire one or something
glossy slate
Attach one weapon to another and combine basic attacks
still pewter
nice etg reference. I dig it
versed tree
Yeah something like that
analog crystal
I think 1 weapon per run works fine, synergistic boons on the other hand I would love added
glossy slate
Cross-compatible god boons would be fantastic
analog crystal
Shield ontop of bow so while you're charging you take no damage from the front
still pewter
nonono. you shoot the shield
glossy slate
Fire Stygius out of the bow
still pewter
pretty sure that's how it works
analog crystal
Fire sisyphus out of the bow
glossy slate
fire the SPEAR out of the bow
versed tree
Yeah like keep the charge ability for the shield and use the rapid fire on the bow
analog crystal
It just decimates the entire room
I've said this b4, but I would love a grimoire spell book weapon where instead of boons you choose spells to add
versed tree
Maybe it would be a high level pick up or after you beat the game
The ability to use two weapons
still pewter
that sounds really neat kaf
analog crystal
It has good flavour too ๐
versed tree
Oh and how rude of me how are yโall today?
still pewter
maybe an ultra rare upgrade kratos. say you start a run with the sword and find aegis on the last floor along with the ability to dual weild
glossy slate
I really would like to see mixed god boons
still pewter
moved back to my house. halfway across the country. been a day
versed tree
Yeah something like that icathios
glossy slate
Like getting Poseidonโs cast unlocks a Zeus augment for it or something
versed tree
And also dear lord
analog crystal
Yeah, kinda like you get Poseidon and Zeus boons and the next boon of either offers a tempest boon which keeps a stormcloud above your head that periodically fires off lightning with a lil knockback idk
still pewter
I think "forced" synergies like that could be awesome. atm you feel like greek frankenstein at times, getting boons that don't interact at all with one another
glossy slate
Imagine Athenaโs
still pewter
also, kinda wild idea. what if nyx could give us boons?
analog crystal
Funny you should say that ๐
glossy slate
Deflect an attack with the spell and it summons a lightning bolt at the area of impact
still pewter
athena+ares sort of polar oposites yet somewhat complimentary of one another
analog crystal
I was talking about a month ago about fighting on olympus against the gods, and someone said that what if you start to lose god boons and start getting boons from the house of hades npcs
Which is sososo cool
still pewter
yaaaaaas
analog crystal
But it'd require as much effort as adding a whole god so idkkk
drifting hemlock
Im gonna cry now. I've been mapping enemy health since we talked about it an hour ago and now i found that an armored witch in asphodel has more health than an armored witch in tartarus... I didnt account for this!
still pewter
idk how it'd work systemically in a roguelite, but it'd definitely be an awesome twist gameplay wise
still pewter
@drifting hemlock so I guess scaling hp is a thing huh
drifting hemlock
oh maybe it might just be for the different witch type (shot wise)
that or scaling hp
still pewter
I think witches have 3 patterns
analog crystal
@still pewter it could be like an exchange, you lose zeus boon for achillies or w/e
still pewter
1, 3 and 5 bolts
drifting hemlock
but if its scaling then theres the question whether its from level to level or from room to room
still pewter
and when they have armor they fire 3 waves
glossy slate
Basically an armored witch just fires 3x as many shots as a regular one
still pewter
good question liz
drifting hemlock
Y'know I think im just gonna find out how much health the bosses have -_-
analog crystal
I never noticed that trend thanks lmaooo
I think bosses is a safe bet as they're consistant
BUT ALSO
You said you wouldn't cus of the major update
I said I could help hahaha
still pewter
they could be inconsistent if there is dynamic scaling going on. which I don't think there is
analog crystal
I recently learned boon power scales with room number
So enemies might be the same
still pewter
wait what?
drifting hemlock
A thing i would like added tho is that we could get enemy information for killing said enemies, say killing 1 opens their page in the codex, killing 100 gives some lore, 500 reveals how much health they have and 1000 witches reveals their dmg
analog crystal
IKR
drifting hemlock
or something like that
still pewter
what do you mean kaf
analog crystal
I've read smwhere, ive not confirmed it but it makes sense
That if you get a boon of zeus in room 2 it could give you 20 damage, but in room 17 the same boon would give you like 30
drifting hemlock
Boon power doesn't scale, it depends on the rarety e.g. if you find Epic true shot its dmg will be anywhere between 150 and 180 but not higher
analog crystal
I could be wrong
drifting hemlock
its tied to rarity
still pewter
pretty sure the numbers remain consistent throughout
drifting hemlock
and within said rarity theres a spectrum of how much dmg
If you look here you can see the multipliers
analog crystal
I see, someone said it earlier and I was kinda like ykno what that makes sense
Whoops my b hahaha
@glossy slate imagine if Artemis's final art is themed similarly to the green swirls of the dash ๐ ๐ 
drifting hemlock
but back to what i wrote before I would love it if the codex would unlock enemy information as you slew (Slayer'd? Slow? Killed?) more and more of them
analog crystal
The codex definitely has a lot of potential to be expanded on
It could even give Hypnos's tips to beating the enemies to help people get into the game
still pewter
thing is, exact hp and dmg numbers aren't supposed to concern the average players. therefore idk if the codex is their best potential home
I'd like to see enemy mechanics be explained in the codex. like the number of witch projectiles
analog crystal
I don't think it'd be too intrusive that it'd affect someone who wasn't looking for it, it'd just be convenient
still pewter
number crunching sounds like wiki material
drifting hemlock
I guess you can't really put it in the codex now that i think about it considering there might be scaling hp per floor ..
That would be a mess
analog crystal
there would be a calculation to work out o god no
still pewter
I know everything is in flux because of EA and all
but it'd be cool if the devs did us a solid and shared that stuff in one way or another
drifting hemlock
I mean unless they said like "Witch Health: 100(+X% per room/floor) that would be the smoothest way of putting it but idk
How dare you math more complex than me..
still pewter
quick maffs
still pewter
โ โ
analog crystal
Sorry, delete what?
analog crystal
Heck I forgot about the logs
still pewter
your math disgrace cannot be escaped from
drifting hemlock
Damn trees and their logs!
analog crystal
@pastel jolt do mass deletions spam the mods? If so apologies!
rough condor
the athena attack modifier for example can only give up to 83 or 84% bonus dmg in an epic variation at the start of your run
pastel jolt
juuuuust a little bit
analog crystal
Heckkk I dun goof
rough condor
if you get athena in room 25 it can go up to 96 or something right?
drifting hemlock
Wish me luck, time to count the hydras health ...
analog crystal
@rough condor It's really hard to work out because of the variance on the same floor already and then counting floors (they should add the number somewhere just to keep track) and then getting the same boon of the same god
In short I'm not sure but it'd take hella long to work out and confirm
drifting hemlock
The weakest you can get athenas attack is 40% and t he max from the epic variation is 2.5x which means you can at max get 100% at level 1
analog crystal
It'd be nice to know the exact figures of everything
Like
Base chance of getting a rare or epic
rough condor
i am pretty sure it was right what you said.
I had quite the few runs and never had a lv 1 epic athena above 90% in the beginning but quite the few in asphodel
analog crystal
Ooo interesting, I should take figures of the boons and the room I got them when I run through
drifting hemlock
I don't think it's determined by floor but rather by luck. All my Epic true shots have been at 180 in the beginning room which is near max multiplier according to the wiki
analog crystal
Anyways, I'm off to bed so I'll see you all whenever! So excited for the update
still pewter
sleep tight dude
rough condor
I'm dying for new content ๐ got my 300th kill a few hours ago and now I'm probably won't stream hades all day until the update.
still pewter
that's a lotta kills
drifting hemlock
300 in total or 300 hydras? Or 300 deaths?
still pewter
either way that's a lot
drifting hemlock
Yeah im just curious ๐
versed tree
Oooh there should be a execution move like god of war if the enemy is low health or something flashy like it
drifting hemlock
Okay so Meg has 5000 health, the hydra has 8000 health and the small hydra heads have 1200 hp
done counting!
rough condor
300 hydra kills
rough condor
301 on stream and one more offstream
drifting hemlock
I was lucky to get a good counting build, got true shot for 150 dmg flat and upgraded more ammo to have 10 casts
And i got crit so i could count some of the casts twice
still pewter
can you share anything about the rest of the enemies?
versed tree
Anyone knows if thereโs going to be multiple endings?
rough condor
Yeah had some spin builds with 1187 dmg and some with 12xx and figured out the spawning hydra heads have 1.2k life
still pewter
even inconsistent data
versed tree
I know itโs too soon but just wondering if they said anything about it
drifting hemlock
I tested smaller enemies with cast and the first sword hit (10 dmg)
Skull: 30 health
W shield: 80 Health
Skull Nest: 90 health
W shield:
Mine pot: 40 health
W shield: 130 Health
Witch: 80 health
W shield: 180 Health
Big club dude: 160 health
W shield:
Fat bouncy dude:
W shield: 510 Health
Flying Crystal (pink): 60 health
W shield: 160 Health (210?)
Flying Crystal (Blue):
W shield: 600 Health
Skeleton: 250 health
W shield: 470
Small Bomber:
W shield: 1050
Big Bomber: 400
W shield: 1390
Meg: 5000
Hydra: 8000
Small Hydras: 1200
some enemies i didnt encounter the shielded variation of
and some enemies seemed to have more health in asphodel compared to tartarus which i didn't write down so most numbers are from tartarus, spare for the enemies you can't meet in tartarus of course ๐
Wait i forgot to give them their actual names in my doc before copying...
And theres still the question whether or not hp scales per floor/room, so yeah, inconsistent data i guess
drifting hemlock
you mean asphodel right?
rough condor
Yes
drifting hemlock
They might, but i didnt think of this when i wrote stuff down meaning i counted health on a skull in tartarus but didnt count skull health once i reached asphodel because i thought i was done with that enemy
@still pewter I hope my data was inconsistent enough for you โค
still pewter
good stuff. interesting observation is that armored enemies have more than double hp
drifting hemlock
Indeed but it annoys my brain so much that it isn't the same +X% of the base health added to all shielded enemies. E.g. for the skull it gets a little over double but the mine pot dude gets over triple
drifting hemlock
indeed but i guess thats just because they don't have an attack themselves, so it makes sense that they should get more hp
still pewter
yeaaaah
glossy slate
Soulstones get at least 4x as much armor as they do health
hard holly
And if you put Aphrodites weak on them, they also get 4x as much amor as health
drifting hemlock
you sure about that?
glossy slate
You
hollow totem
Im curious what theyll do for later areas
because you seem to have entire builds finished by the end of the hydra
what other boons could you possibly accept?
errant narwhal
i dont think this is it for the gods
forest marsh
I had to read UNOvven's line something like 5 times before I even noticed the pun. Well done (?) friend
errant narwhal
and im also pretty sure, or at least hope, the game will be rebalanced for 3 areas and not 2
or more
hard holly
Thanks
errant narwhal
lol, i just thought it was a typo
hard holly
I actually debated which spelling to go with
Thats why there is an edit
I had it as Amor, then changed it to amour, then back to amor
Because gudtouch used the incorrect spelling without a u
forest marsh
I think you'll find their name is guitouch now 
hard holly
I thought graphic content wasnt allowed on this server
glossy slate
By this time next month my name will have gone through so many minor changes Iโll just be an incomprehensible mess of in-jokes
hard holly
So like your sense of humour
glossy slate
Yes.
grand patrol
dr evolution
glossy slate
All of my humour is either referential, snark, or just low quality puns
worn dawn
Welp, sword wins are now officially over half of my hydra kills
Someday Iโll get a bow win
Someday
hard holly
I guess youre that sword of player
forest marsh
It's like we're the same person, Doc Gui
Don't bow to the pressure, ran-dusa. Play how you like to play
worn dawn
;_;
hard holly
Maybe you should give it another shot though
worn dawn
At least my mirror is almost full
forest marsh
Keep your spear-hits up, don't shield yourself from the reality of gameplay mechanics
And when it is full, you can reflect back on all the fond memories that brought you there
Having graduated top of your glass
hard holly
If youve been playing that much
Maybe you should reflect on why you have trouble with bows
Oh dammit you already made the reflect pun
worn dawn
They must just be my Achilles heel
forest marsh
It's ok, you can mirror my puns UNOvven, I don't mind
hard holly
.... you win this round
forest marsh
When is SGG coming out with a pun-based game? I am here for that
hard holly
Youre the shepherd of the lost souls of bad wordplay
The herder of dead innuendos
You are
The pundertaker
austere pebble
that was punishing to read
glossy slate
UUUUUUGGGHHH
worn dawn
Ouch that hurt right in the puncreas
forest marsh
I was going to make a joke about Punderworld, but that's actually already a thing. It's a comic (well, sort of) by Linda Sejic
It's set around the relationship between Hades and Persephone
So it's kind of on-topic ish?
hard holly
Well, I guess its ontop Perse
forest marsh
I'll post a link in #off-topic-discussion if anyone wants to check it out. It's mostly one-shot type stuff right now, but I think she has plans to make it into an ongoing series
icy stone
Bummer that there's no plans for multiplayer
I wanted to ask if there might be a mobile port to play with controller on one's phone or something
forest marsh
Any future plans for other platforms will only come out after the game is out of Early Access (in a year or more). I haven't heard any mention either way for mobile
obtuse karma
Which is better, Ocean's Bounty or Sunken Treasure?
They seem to do the same thing, just slightly differently, and im not sure which to go for
forest marsh
Ocean's Bounty, typically
obtuse karma
Alright thanks
forest marsh
Sunken Treasure = one-time boost to resources. Ocean's Bounty = continual boost, plus bonus max health when you get Centaur Hearts
errant narwhal
sunken treasure also doesnโt give a lot overall
forest marsh
Sometimes one god's treasure is another god's trash ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
forest marsh
@dim grail What weapon are you favouring for Hydra?
dim grail
Bow is my best weapon but I've been getting consistently there with the shield.
forest marsh
Doesn't necessarily affect the advice, just curious what you've been running. The advice will be more or less the same for any weapon, barring boon-specific stuff
Ah, ok. Bow is a good choice!
You may find the most success with doing a crit-dash Triple Shot build with bow
Artemis Hunter Dash, Triple Shot from Hammer, Clean Kill for Artemis if possible, and any attack +dmg% boon (preference to Athena, avoid Artemis attack boon)
Make sure you dash before each attack, and try to make all three arrows hit the target
dim grail
Thanks I will give that a try ๐ I tend to avoid the crit dash boon but It may help out
forest marsh
For Hydra specifically, stay out of the middle of the arena if possible
With a decent crit-dash Triple Shot build, you should be able to take out the summoned heads in 1-2 power shots each
glossy slate
With the bow I generally bring Poseidonโs keepsake for the first area and take his attack boon
forest marsh
Just make sure you dash before each attack to get the boost from the crit and from Quick Temper (which you should try to max out on the mirror)
The bow shots charge faster after dashing anyways, so it's a good habit to always dash with bow attack
glossy slate
The damage is only slightly lower than Athena and you get great knockback
forest marsh
Always dash-attacking with bow is what makes crit-dash so powerful, because it's always active
glossy slate
Maxed Quick Temper and Hunterโs Dash will mean every attack deals triple damage, so itโs a good habit
forest marsh
With Triple Shot that also means 9x damage overall
glossy slate
^
forest marsh
If you don't get Triple shot as an option, take Perfect Shot instead if possible
And then just make sure you are practicing getting the power shot timing down with dash-attacks
glossy slate
With the bow you also donโt need to upgrade Hunterโs Dash at all, so you can put all of your poms towards attack upgrades
tender zephyr
Ahh, epic level 4 Zeus' Cast is great
Even paired it with Ares' Cast and Attack boost for an overall 25% increase
Pity I couldn't get any Braids though
glossy slate
Big Zappyโข
tender zephyr
I was trying to get Zeus' Legendary since I've never gotten his or Artemis(oddly enough)
But Ares kept on showing up
glossy slate
Zeus legendary is absolutely hilarious with his cast
forest marsh
Artemis legendary is fun, but moreso with non-bow builds funnily enough
Artemis legendary + Flurry? Good times
glossy slate
Just hide in the corner and swing wildly
tender zephyr
Hydra went down easy enough though I can't wait for the new Cast retrieval rework. Fetching your Cast crystals from lava is no fun.
forest marsh
A castly endeavor, to be sure
dapper heart
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/340618610227544065/533160606073749505/unknown.png And again.
frosty pier
Wow you stacked on epics
dapper heart
I find it very funny that I only got Athena once while carrying her pendant the whole run.
I have uh. Might have all of my mirror stuff maxed.
glossy slate
God keepsakes turn off after one area, switch off after beating Meg or you just have a dead slot
rough condor
They still increase the rarity of future boons from them. But the guaranteed boon from the specific God you picked with the keepsake is used up.
dapper heart
I usually find I tend to get repeats once I start picking one, but my trials were always Aphrodite/Artemis.
glossy slate
If Iโm not over analyzing, I think each run is seeded for a specific set of gods
dapper heart
Yeah, I've noticed something similar.
glossy slate
Keepsakes seem to overwrite it, and I think shops are true random
forest marsh
Dino did a lot of investigating into the seed mechanic during his speedruns, and there seem to be a lot of factors. It did seem that it was more-or-less set, but you can still manipulate it within certain bounds
Not to get exactly what you want, but to repeat the seed if you don't reset it
And accordingly make different choices/actions to get different repeatable results
oblique karma
hype for the next major update
lost rose
๐
oblique karma
4 days !
lost rose
yeah! i have a long weekend coming up, kinda salty that the update isn't gonna drop till after i've already had to go back to work, haha
lost rose
things i can do at the workplace: mod
things i probably cannot get away with at the workplace: straight up video games
hollow totem
Pepehands
manic goblet
just gotta be sneaky 
lost rose
with a controller???
forest marsh
Time to join the KBM heathens
lost rose
i don't have a cubicle, my desk is just out in the open ๐
y'all saw the silhouette right?
frosty pier
It' a Nyx right? It has to be? eeeeeh?
forest marsh
My hope is that it's a new character, but I also want finished or at least WIP art for the existing ones... Maybe... maybe it's both 
That is to say maybe the silhouette is new, but we'll also get more art for the rest of the cast
lost rose
there could be more than one art update!
and definitely a good number of combat overhauls, it looks like
forest marsh
So many
frosty pier
God, It's like waiting for ongoing shows to release
forest marsh
I'm excited for the balance/new mechanic changes
manic goblet
ven with the inside info?
lost rose
lmao
forest marsh
And really interested to see what the changes to the boss fights and to Asphodel are
manic goblet
lost rose
like i said before, i'm as clueless as y'all
forest marsh
This is all info from the #hades-feedback channel, Serchiot
lost rose
sgg gives us courtesy warnings sometimes when Big Stuff is about to drop - so we don't get overwhelmed - but that's it
forest marsh
Extrapolation from what the devs gave โ to
lost rose
they don't tell us What It Is or anything
manic goblet
one of us
frosty pier
I'm just ready to SGG to mess my day up, and sleep cycles.
dapper heart
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/340618610227544065/533174507586715659/unknown.png Holy fiddlesticks this may have been the fastest hydra smacking I've done.
dim grail
Thanks all for the advice from earlier. i was able to beat the Hydra with a strong crit build with the spear.
forest marsh
Congrats!
wispy moon
Been playing the game two or so weeks and still can't be Meg ๐ Best tips? I'm not good with bow, but I know lots of people like it
lost rose
i assume you have the dash upgrades from the mirror? those help a lot
other than that, just learn her patterns - she's pretty easy to dodge once you figure those out, and her attacks are all pretty well telegraphed
ignore her minions unless they're giving you serious trouble
stray radish
Artemis' cast with some upgrades deals with her pretty well if you can endure
cold cave
if you arent doing it already then just run around the room in a circle
pastel jolt
her bullet hell attack is a good time to clear out the minions if theyโre being a pain
stray radish
it probably wont get you far after Meg but yeah
pastel jolt
you can dodge that one easier the further away from her you are
cold cave
yeah
stray radish
deflect upgrade could be useful, probably
cold cave
and if you have something that can deflect a lot of projectiles at once then itll be really easy to deal with
pastel jolt
Deflect Is For The Weak,
cold cave
athena upgrades have the biggest damage buffs though dont they?
its really nice for armored witches too, especially in asphodel
frosty pier
How Dare You say that Cast cant get you very far
stray radish
i mean, i dunno
frosty pier
If you get burst shot in Tartarus it's easy gg
stray radish
maybe im just bad xD
wispy moon
Thank you everyone. I will try out more Athena and get 3 dashes (I always play with 2). I never use cast, so maybe I'll try that
stray radish
which one is burst shot?
frosty pier
Artemis upgrade of cast
frosty pier
Yup
stray radish
gotcha
wispy moon
Death Defiance is my best friend. The pink crystal's are the worst for me
cold cave
artemis's cast upgrade is a burst shot?
wispy moon
Especially if armored
stray radish
what's your weapon of choice?
cold cave
i thought it just followed the nearest enemy
frosty pier
It's a true shot
wispy moon
I like spear and sheild
stray radish
it gets like doubled damage
frosty pier
But it has second boon of burst shot
stray radish
spear has a hammer(?) upgrade on special if you're lucky, 500% dmg vs armor
cold cave
oh
stray radish
and cast deals really well with pink crystals!
for cast builds you wanna max out cast in the mirror
wispy moon
I wish I got more hammers and poms. Okay, I will upgrade cast in the mirror next time. I didn't really like how limited the ammo is
stray radish
you can buy one more in the Well Shop
@_@
and i think Artemis can upgrade you with even more
frosty pier
And if you mad you can even get a boon for extra
stray radish
just gotta learn how to manage casts
wispy moon
I guess I just need to git gud. Waiting to get the ammo back since they get stuck in enemy's is kind of annoying
stray radish
we believe in you!
wispy moon
I really appreciate it ๐ I'm having fun even though I'm not good at the game
stray radish
getting to Meg used to be a challenge for me, now i can manage to beat her in like 1 of 4 tries xD
wispy moon
It's weirdly addicting. I'm not really a dungeon person
wispy moon
Risu, I also like the rest of your username. A scyth would be dope. I'm personally hoping for a whip
frosty pier
Learning curve for meg consists 2 main challenges.
- Stop panic from threat of being touched inaproprietly by that scary woman
- Actually observe that that woman is doing.
The rest is just a lot of running in circles to kite adds
stray radish
lol the 1) XDDD
pretty true tho
- the more you fight her, the more tired she actually gets, and feels easier
frosty pier
There is a last almost HERETICAL thing
frosty pier
You can turn of the music, Meg has brilliantly voiced tell to all of her attacks
stray radish
yes, stab applies to weapons like bow and shield
funny you say that, yesterday the music for her battle never played for me xD
i got lowkey stuck in heavy breathing/low hp sound mode
wispy moon
My goodness, I could never turn off SuperGiant music! !
frosty pier
Yeah that's pretty much a heretical things i'm doing here
stray radish
like but my boss theme D:
wispy moon
I know this isn't Hades, but I learned "old friends" from transistor this week on drums
Darren's music is always dope
frosty pier
Yup
wispy moon
It's also funny you can "stab" with the sheild
stray radish
you can stab with anything if you have the right attitude
frosty pier
Funniest thing in shield is that if you have a vengeance boon from Aphro you can block a brimstone into killing entire room
frosty pier
You charge a bull rush, face brimstone, and it procs Vengeances, as in all of them if you have some i mean
There should be, but have none on me (
stray radish
aw
cuz that sounds hilarious, ping me with one if/when you make it
i sadly kinda forget bull rush and spear spin attack are even an option xD
frosty pier
Never forget the spin
stray radish
always forget the spin
frosty pier
Spin-dash is true waifu
stray radish
its really useful for breaking pots, i'll give you that xD
frosty pier
Pots, faces, you name it. The fact that you can crit a backstab still baffles me
manic goblet
Spin-Dash makes my runs go wild
stray radish
this is why i suck
...is there a way to use spin without that attack first? or is that unskippable thing
frosty pier
Unskipabble
stray radish
im assuming same for shield
frosty pier
Yup
stray radish
that makes me feel a little better xD
frosty pier
It would be MAD if we had a quick temper ONTOP of crit-dashes and Backstabs
wispy moon
Spin-dash is always how I best the bomber twins
stray radish
once i discovered i can actually move them while they're charging with shield, i found new appreciation for shield
plucky oxide
Artemis' legendary is spawning projectiles when I hit with my special, but its flavor text says it only does so on attack or cast. Did not know that!
also hit for 1K damage on lvl 1 artemis cast, wowzers
frosty pier
How much did you stack that crit damage, you absolute monster?
plucky oxide
not... much.... as in, no poms required. artemis sure did help. now I'm wondering how big i can get that number with an upgraded cast and perfect rng ๐ค
plucky oxide
Also hooray, I finally did it! Got 10 wins on each weapon.
Build variety wise, I had a lot more fun with sword and shield. But Spear and Bow just blew by so fast.
On top of that, my last win tacked up my win streak to 28! There were a few sweaty ones going into hydra with no death defiance and terrible builds, but I pulled through!
40 wins / 75 attempts (53.3% success)
18k enemies slain
8.8k darkness accrued
84 spare keys
36 bottles
Never chose something else over Sisyphus, the worst best boy
lost rose
i see that worst ๐
congrats on the streak tho!!
and on all those wins haha
I still can't beat the hydra on good days
I squeaked out a couple wins back when things were more broken
plucky oxide
yeah, lifedrinker was my first win before it was removed. offense is key! and sisyphus is great. love a good redemption character. he calls me prince z, and that puts him on a league of his own.
grave cipher
How do you get that screen: To be continued with stats on it? Mine shows no stats...maybe it's bugged. I thought it would come at a later date.
lost rose
sisyphus called me his best friend and he gives me food so i would die for him
rough condor
And he has bouldy
drifting hemlock
I wish sisyphus would push me up a hill all day, it sounds so much more fun than being in hell ๐ฆ
scarlet dagger
Kisyphus Sisyphus
tender zephyr
Zag just jumps on top of bouldy, and Sisyphus pushes him out of hell. How does that sound?
lost rose
zag pushes bouldy over the top of the hill and sisyphus' punishment is over
pastel jolt
โhey, nobody said i couldnโt push it.โ
grand patrol
together we can get it over the hill!!!!
scarlet dagger
that would actually be cute
analog crystal
Maybe Zag can push the left side and Sis the right, and they hold hands in the middle uwu
lost rose
you, i like the way you think
pastel jolt
๐ cute couple activity: pushing a boulder up a hill ๐
analog crystal
I said this before
Hades has a great set up to be a dating sim
Everyone is so damn pretty
pastel jolt
why would you think that danni
finite grail
hades: date god
scarlet dagger
i mean i dont really ship anything at all ever tbh
but i'm all for a secret unlock dating sim mini game
stray radish
ok but big mood, they're all so pretty
stray radish
like on one hand, it's kinda weird cuz greek myths. on the other: hot gods
wat do
xD
analog crystal
I mean it has the premise with ambrosias
scarlet dagger
i want to fall asleep cuddling Dusa like she's a stuffed animal
stray radish
can we platonic date everyone
analog crystal
But I want individual relationship lores for talking with someone not just bribing them
finite grail
thats fair
scarlet dagger
wait you mean to tell me that i can't just buy peoples' affection?
capitalism lied to me!
stray radish
thin line between raising affection and bribing xD
lost rose
look, sisyphus gives me gyros and money and i love him
so like
reasonably it goes the other way
stray radish
you cant buy affection but you can buy alcohol and honestly what else do you need for a friend date with your sad bros
analog crystal
I mean, if any of you felt like giving me lots of money I might be able to love you too ๐
finite grail
thatโs all love is really, gyros and money
analog crystal
#JustGirlyThings
tulip timber
It actually never registered to me that the food health pickups were gyros.
I was like "why do I get subs?"
somber epoch
just play smash brothers
on topic to this channel, do you think any weapons will get a buff in the next update
tulip timber
I need a gyro: oooooh I'm holding out for a gyro till the end of the niiiiight.
scarlet dagger
thank you
hard holly
Hopefully shield on its special I imagine
tulip timber
Yeah, shield special fix is top of my wishlist.
scarlet dagger
i love shield special but it usually feels like a wet noodle
hard holly
Thats the only actively bad thing to use
analog crystal
Shield yeah, most people I've talked to have agreed shield is the worst weapon to play with
scarlet dagger
also it randomly flying off to god knows where in asphodel.......
hard holly
Oh shield is fine
Its just a one-note weapon
You dash double-tap
Rinse and repeat
analog crystal
Imo I just really don't enjoy playing with it
somber epoch
i mean like, you could just run the no-bounce thingo
hard holly
I like it because of its charge and its fun to steer the charge via dashes
tulip timber
I'd like charge to get a buff and feel heftier. I think for the setup it deserves more base knockback.
somber epoch
maybe a hammer buff to turn while charging
tulip timber
Homing dash.
somber epoch
careful or else the sonic lawyers will come after SG
analog crystal
zag stops curling into a ball and zipping around
scarlet dagger
pfft
tulip timber
Just throw it down and surf on it.
analog crystal
Kingdom hearts 3 probably copyrighted that loool
somber epoch
here's an interesting shield buff that could work base; the first time you would take spike damage in a room, your shield blocks it
tulip timber
Spike activation seems pretty inconsistent.
analog crystal
That'd be quite nice, you already have a little invul to lava for the 1st second or so a bit more would reduce a lot of chip damage
tulip timber
TBH. Maybe I don't have the feel for it still, but there are plenty of times where I feel I should have gotten hit (or activated them) and I didn't, and where I hsouldn't and did.
For floor spikes.
analog crystal
Sometimes you can skirt around the edges of them
hard holly
Turning while charging? What, are we Demoknights now?
tulip timber
Also, knocking the fat and buff guys into spikes is feel good man.
somber epoch
@hard holly that's where i got the idea from
analog crystal
I think the shield could be used to take cover while firing casts, which wouldnt be OP due to limited ammo but might be quite nice at decimating rooms
tulip timber
Thoughts on challenge / trap / gauntlet rooms with no enemies with some sort of moving wall at the back chasing you (lava in Asphodel, spikes in Tart)?
somber epoch
i'd like more cast capacity
tulip timber
Just to mix things up?
analog crystal
I think Isaac has some good concepts that'd work in Hades
hard holly
Shield moreso just needs better hammer upgrades
tulip timber
I think cast capacity is in a good place actually.
rough condor
Running away from a moving wall is no challenge in my eyes tbh. Running nonstop is already mandatory so it wouldn't change a thing
somber epoch
what about a challenge room where you can't stop running
analog crystal
Such as the rooms where there's shooting timed bullets
tulip timber
@analog crystal Yes re: Isaac. I would really like more secret walls and stuff.
Well, any.
analog crystal
And you have to time it right and press a button to stop the statues
somber epoch
isaac is fundamentally very different, though
tulip timber
Every now and then Charon's shop should be a trivia game show. Where he's wearing a suit.
analog crystal
True, but I think that the dash in Hades for precise movement could be utilised better
AND YES
Gameshow Charon where you can win an Item for free
tulip timber
@somber epoch I like that for a boon.
analog crystal
Not that really, just with 3 dashes sometimes I feel like it's too easy to spam 3 and be safe
PLaying mirrorless having 1 dash you need to use it well which IMO is more fun
somber epoch
I also wish we'd get some more mirror options
analog crystal
But a room that forces you to use your dashes wisely even with 3 would be fun
analog crystal
@rough condor speaking of you! I got to Asphodel and got an epic Athena boon on attack of spear for 85%
So I dont think it scales with room number
somber epoch
it scales base
tulip timber
I like the idea of Mirror capping out, and not being able to get EVERYTHING.
rough condor
Hm. I'm going to do some runs later. I'll test it then to
analog crystal
Yeye, ik that Max but we were discussing yesterday whether room number had any effect on the %
tulip timber
Could put limits on the trial / gauntlet rooms to get the room clear prize. Like "use no more than 3 dashes."
analog crystal
But Im sure it doesnt now after testing
somber epoch
i think the boon scaling comes in the form of legendary boons as a skill tree of sorts
analog crystal
yeah kind of, the boons work in tiers of 1,2 and 3
tulip timber
I'd also like secondary boons (not tier 2) that can stack on base boons (the current and future ones from the pantheon). They could come from any number of the non-pantheon deities.
analog crystal
So its like an RNG skill tree
somber epoch
Dan, so like a sub pom of power?
tulip timber
Yeah.
Not a direct numbers buff, but some sort of modifier.
Like Chronos could do time slows.
somber epoch
the issue with more content is that it reduces the chance of you getting a certain thing in a run
like, i assume we'll get more event rooms in the game when it launches
analog crystal
Yeah but also as more floors are added that'll increase the chance
somber epoch
i like the sub-boon powers, but i think you could just integrate it into the existing Pom of Power system
tulip timber
They have to add something to make sure you're not capped on skills and stuff by end of floor 2.
analog crystal
It'd be a nice alternative to upgrading artemis's dash to level 4 by meg with 1 boon lol
tulip timber
Don't want another 3-5 floors of just taking Sunken Treasures.
somber epoch
i mean like, i don't think you'd cap at the end of floor 2
you'd still probably have quite a few legendary boons to get
tulip timber
True, but I think it's built in that you don't get more than 3 gods in a run. Or at least I haven't seen more than 3.
The chance at more gods definitely dips the longer you go. Just because you've got the 4 main buttons filled with stuff.
If we're looking at the full pantheon, that's another 5 gods (I doubt Hades is gonna be dishing boons).
severe orchid
with the system as is there are plenty of builds that only really care about getting their dash/attack boons and the hammer, at which point everything else is just filler
analog crystal
Yeah exactly, ages ago I had so many boons that zeus couldn't give me anything so it pitifully offered me money as compensation lol idk if that still happens
somber epoch
i could see a hades boon as a reward from a challenge room
maybe that's the idols in this game, actually
tulip timber
@analog crystal I know Athena has money boon.
somber epoch
take "boons" from hades at the start of a run to increase darkness gained
analog crystal
@tulip timber it's not a money boon
It was saying that I couldnt get any other boons from that god so it gave me money
But it wasn't a named money boon if that makes sense
somber epoch
oh i think capping on a god makes sense
tulip timber
@analog crystal
Hah, that is pretty funny.
somber epoch
it would be nice to have some sort of a refresh room mid-run where you could randomize boons
tulip timber
Next time I get 3 different god boons in Tart I'm gonna try and equip a relic from a God I haven't gotten yet.
See if the game lets me get a 4th.
analog crystal
Does that work? I've read some stuff that says the god keepsakes dont work in the post meg passage
severe orchid
that exists in isaac, but that is inherently a much more rng/insanity based game
somber epoch
right, but in hades it would only randomize one aspect
hollow totem
So tier 2 would randomize to a tier 2 boon
somber epoch
isaac has 6 different ways you can get randomized
analog crystal
Isaac d100 is insanely fun
tulip timber
Post-Meg God Keepsakes seem to work for me. Usually when I change to another god relic the first offered is the one equiped.
analog crystal
And somehow OP
tulip timber
Of course, sometimes it's not offered until MurderBoat.
And then I'm like "Well, fork."
analog crystal
The first time I made it to the hydra I managed to skip the murder boat, and then got destroyed by it the run after lmao
severe orchid
it would be a nice way to potentially save a run where u just get offered terrible boons and with a bunch of poms and get a hammer that doesnt go well with what u have
analog crystal
Idk, there's some fun in making a terrible run work
I guess that's only when you can consistently beat the hydra
tulip timber
I kind of agree with Tarcin. Like where I take Poseidon dash in the hopes of getting something else better later, and get nothing but poms.
somber epoch
maybe when the game gets more content it'll be easier to make bad runs work
analog crystal
And it'd be frustrating otherwise
severe orchid
depends on what wep ur running. if you dont have a good ranged option the dps req for a melee build on hydra makes it pretty terrible
tulip timber
You ain't clearing with level 5 poseidon dash and nothing else.
Or at least I'm not. Unless I have bow.
analog crystal
pre aphro nerf I beat hydra with just the love dash
severe orchid
dash basically counts as a ranged option tbf
u never have to be in range for their attacks
tulip timber
Well yeah, the % increase to weakened was nasty from what I've heard.
severe orchid
but lets say u have a bad dash and ur running sword with no good attack buffers
dapper heart
Is it just me or is the game running more smoothly?
severe orchid
hydras going to be terrible
analog crystal
@severe orchid I think that's your fault for taking the bad dash
In that scenario
severe orchid
could be
analog crystal
Which dash boons are bad btw? I like them all haha
severe orchid
but Ive had runs where I only had the chance to pick up 2 boons by the time I get to hydra
dapper heart
@analog crystal sometimes you don't have much of a choice.
somber epoch
maybe give a slight bonus if you have boons on all 4 abilities
tulip timber
Worst dash currently is probably Aphro.
severe orchid
worst dash is athena imo
dapper heart
If you are holding out for a better option elsewhere.
pastel jolt
worst dash is athena's bc it slows you
analog crystal
I hate athena's dash actually, I lied when I said I like them all
pastel jolt
or rather, because it's slower to do
somber epoch
dashing is a pretty bad option in hades right now anyway
tulip timber
I don't like Athena cause it changes the timing, but enough people like it that I assume there's something wrong with me.
analog crystal
It's my fault for not knowing how to use it though
pastel jolt
i mean, no, dashing is pretty good
severe orchid
I dunno, the feedback about athena dash being strong got downvoted to oblivion
dont think ur alone
analog crystal
Yeah I saw that! Someone said it was OP and it got so many downvotes lmao
dapper heart
I like Athena but against Hydra, it is murder.
pastel jolt
athena dash is only strong bc of the deflect, if you can't deflect the damage you're a sitting duck
tulip timber
I tell you what is bad: longer bow power charge.
analog crystal
Athena on attack is the best attack boon imo
somber epoch
can you mitigate the timesink by doing it after a dash?
severe orchid
athena attack is the best scaling one, so ur pretty much correct on that
tulip timber
@somber epoch Somewhat, but the timing is still jank.
severe orchid
followed closely by poseidon
somber epoch
also deflect on a spammable move is nice
analog crystal
Sword special athena super nova will always hold a place in my heart though
dapper heart
it + spear is why I get though Hydra five times.
pastel jolt
i really need to experiment with the sword special some more
analog crystal
Sword special athena and poseidon are a lotta fun!
tulip timber
I really appreciate that deflect knocks back projectiles as homing projectiles.
analog crystal
The deflect also knocks back thrown bombs
somber epoch
yeah, sword special is a concussive wave
analog crystal
And does a lotta damage
dapper heart
The bonkers one... Let me grab it.
pastel jolt
i mean i say that and then i can guarantee i'm still going to be trying to get that sweet sweet zeus attack/dash flurry blade combo i'm dying to try out
there's just
so many neat combos i wanna try??
analog crystal
Ooo i've not heard abotu that, is it good
pastel jolt
i had zeus attack + dash once but it wasn't on flurry blade, i think it was on spear which was almost good
i don't need it to be worldending
somber epoch
i think flurry blade + ares curse is better
pastel jolt
i want it to be fun
tulip timber
Zeus legendary is always fun.
analog crystal
1 thing Ik is that the zeus legendary can single handedly win the game
dapper heart
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/340618610227544065/533174507586715659/unknown.png Zagreus was a touhou.
pastel jolt
flurry blade and ares curse? are_you_sure_about_that.gif
severe orchid
builds that are good at clearing would be stronger if the bosses werent so spongy
analog crystal
Flurry blade and athena is basically speed baseball
pastel jolt
with flurry blade you'd be spam-attacking so hard the curse would never get a chance to go off
analog crystal
^
dense perch
ez win tutorial -> Bow + 3 arrows boon + crit after dash + any boon that increase attack dmg
analog crystal
I think blade flurry is just good lol
pastel jolt
worldsplitter + ares curse synergises way better imo
worldsplitter slows your attack juuuust enough that the curse will always go off right before you attack again
analog crystal
At least they reduced the curse time on Ares, like a month ago it'd take so long to do the damage
dapper heart
World splitter is how I win with sword.
tulip timber
I like Worldsplitter just because the animation is hilarious.
somber epoch
yeah
dapper heart
The one I have an issue with is Aegis.
severe orchid
worldsplitter has such high base damage that ares curse starts losing value compared to higher scaling attack boons
analog crystal
World splitter is the hydraulic press of hammer boons
somber epoch
now, i'd really like to see a developer hack the game somewhat and take both blade flurry and worldsplitter at once
analog crystal
Blade flurry and life drinker please
somber epoch
i think blade flurry could be like one of the bigger reasons life drinker got taken out
somber epoch
oh
tulip timber
I'm hoping an as-yet unreleased god or two gets a non-projectile spell.
pastel jolt
[zag voice] welcome to the worldsplitter sword channel, today we are going to try crush this wretched lout with the worldsplitter sword
analog crystal
@tulip timber like a ground quake or smthn?
dapper heart
The dream build/mode I want is 'stacking boons on methods of attack.'
tulip timber
@analog crystal That, or like, some sort of buff or thing that drops an AoE bubble effect for a duration.
somber epoch
oooh i just thought of a keepsake idea
dapper heart
But the issue there is it means you risk only getting t1 boons the whole run.
tulip timber
@analog crystal Just something other than magic ball that does something over there.
analog crystal
I think casts could be less projectiles and more like spells, or all the spell ideas could be put into the grimoire weapon ๐ im never gonna stop pushing for the grimoire lmao
somber epoch
where the first boon category you take (i.e. attack/dash/special/cast) will be the stronger of the boons you get throughout the rest of the run
i just want zag to be a wizard
is that too much to ask
pastel jolt
yer a wizard zaggy
scarlet dagger
im not a wizard, i'm just zaggy
tulip timber
Zaggy Pot-breaker.
analog crystal
Using world splitter on 1 pot feels like a little bit overkill
somber epoch
i think making casts spells is a really cool idea
but there is a big problem
and that's that casts have been balanced fairly precisely to work the way they do
analog crystal
grimoiregrimoiregrimoiregrimoiregrimoire
Then you could keep them balanced and have wizard zag
somber epoch
you'd have to rework how normal casts work
and cast boons would have to be overhauled
because right now you can theoretically cast an infinite number of times in any given room with enough enemies
analog crystal
The way I've theorised it could work is that each original attack type would be replaced with spell type, so your cast becomes a ranged attack, your special becomes an area attack and your attack becomes a close range attack, when you pick up boons you instead pick up spells for the book and modifiers for each spell type
versed tree
They should have it to where the last enemy type to kill you it would give you money or something for killing next run like dark souls
Probably late on the subject
tulip timber
@somber epoch Check Fan-Works
somber epoch
i saw
i'd like if they reworked shield ig
replace the charge and the throw
and by that i mean swap them
i.e. holding attack now does throw
defend/charge has a dedicated button
tulip timber
The anticipation of new content is killing me.
analog crystal
I'm genuinely so excited
somber epoch
i think the image they shared gives way too much away tbqh
analog crystal
Can't tell if sarcasm or I'm dumb
From what I've heard it's nyx
Which is exciting
New keepsake for her and mirror stuff maybe?
dapper heart
I don't trust my instincts there.
somber epoch
if my laptop screen weren't dirty as hell i'd be able to see it clearly
dapper heart
I thought Meg was Artemis originally.
somber epoch
also wow now i'm seeing lex luthor in the picture, send help
analog crystal
I can't wait for Artemis's art, I love the green swirls from her boons
tulip timber
I must have missed the shared image, where is that?
analog crystal
Announcements
tulip timber
OOOH. They called it MAJOR.
analog crystal
This aint no patch my friend
somber epoch
yeah we've known about this update existing for like, weeks
analog crystal
ITS A BIG'UN