h1-builds-and-combat

[frosty pier]

one song once in some runs

[viscid ice]

What about if i kept gifting a god? Just dialogs there, too?

[grand patrol]

because you want to be friends

[forest marsh]

Because works so hard and deserves nice things

[grand patrol]

she DOES

[forest marsh]

#GiveMegABreak

[viscid ice]

Recently ive been bypassing actually playing the game and just talking with dusa a lot

[frosty pier]

respectable thing

[worldly sage]

What do the hearts mean?

[forest marsh]

It's just your "relationship" level with that character

The higher it is, the more friendly (in general) they are to you. You also get new dialog, some unique scenes, and Other Things™ for reaching certain milestones

[woeful stirrup]

You unlock the Hades moustache for Zag once you get 10 hearts with Hades.

Also, lost again against the Hydra. Kinda my fault, though. Got the Poseidon boon for 50% more loot early and then used two poms on it and always went to rooms with money or darkness. Didn't actually get much more darkness than in a normal run though. But I did get to buy the Aphrodite scroll.

[forest marsh]

Nice, at least you got that out of the way

I dedicated a few runs just to acquiring it so that I wouldn't have to worry about hoarding anymore

[woeful stirrup]

Didn't even need to hoard money. I have no level in the mirror thing that gives you money at the start of your run and I didn't use the keepsake that lets you keep money. I just had 296 money in a room and got 230 more at once

Was planning on buying the Achilles one, got to buy some nudes.

[hard holly]

Ah, I see you went with the loadsamoney build

[woeful stirrup]

Yeah. Useless in combat, but a Zag needs his cousin's nudes.

[hard holly]

Funny enough, he and Aphrodite are actually entirely unrelated

[woeful stirrup]

Is Aphrodite not Zeus' daughter in the Iliad?

[hard holly]

Yes, though for one, thats the less popular of origin stories for her

Actually Ive got nothing thats second

We actually dont have any indication which of the 2 versions Hades' Aphrodite is

[woeful stirrup]

Looking it up on Wikipedia, seems Aphrodite would be his great aunt or something? If we assume Aphrodite is Uranus' daughter.

[tawdry sleet]

God help anyone going through the feedback list

there's so so much

[hard holly]

Well she isnt exactly a daughter of Uranus

[forest marsh]

Much easier having kept up with it all since the beginning 😆

Good luck to the brave souls who haven't

[hard holly]

Plus the old system had more

[woeful stirrup]

She comes from a certain body part. Makes her some kind of a daughter.

[forest marsh]

Remember to keep it clean, folks 😉

[frosty pier]

....

slow claps for you people

[woeful stirrup]

Well, that's the cleanest I can get on this point, you know. Not really my fault greek mythology is weird. If it's an issue, I can edit my message to say "from a certain body part".

[grand patrol]

thank you wightfyre!

[forest marsh]

Not my call to make, just saying I think it might be pushing the boundaries of what the mods will draw their attention to ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard holly]

I have to say, Greek Mythology is the oddest choice to try and keep pg-13

[forest marsh]

Ha ha it's true

But it's not strictly Hades, rather SG as a whole

[austere pebble]

The discussions are welcome, you can still have them and phrase more appropriately for the sake of the discussion. Being crass for the sake of being crass is more or less the issue, not the discussions themselves (typically)

Greek Mythology though is pretty wild.

[hard holly]

And thats putting it mildly

[austere pebble]

Indeed

[worldly sage]

do you guys have any tips for early game

cause i cant seem to beat the gorgon

[forest marsh]

The Fury?

[worldly sage]

i mean the first fury

[forest marsh]

Meg is definitely a challenge for new players, it's true!

Are you favouring a weapon, or just want general advice?

[worldly sage]

Im really liking the spear

[cedar musk]

heck yes welcome to spear gang

[forest marsh]

Do you know about the spin-dash technique?

[errant narwhal]

please dont beat the gorgon, she is trying her best to keep the place clean and tidy

[lucid grail]

I need to give the spear more time

[worldly sage]

no

[lucid grail]

I gave up on it too quickly

[worldly sage]

i literally bought this game 4 hours ago

[forest marsh]

If you charge your spin at a safe distance, you can dash while holding the charge and it will release at your destination

[worldly sage]

ooh

neat

[hard holly]

What if we got a level where we beat Dusa like a pinata

[forest marsh]

It's very useful

[cedar musk]

i would refund my copy

[worldly sage]

also im assuming athena dash is the ideal dash

[lost rose]

y'all are so rude to dusa and she's just doing her job!!

give dusa and meg a day off 😢

[forest marsh]

As for Meg, try to learn her patterns. Her most vulnerable time is right after she dashes toward you. Just side step her dash attack and then you can get a few hits on her while she recovers

[cedar musk]

dusa is the best character in the game i love her sm im so :')

[worldly sage]

cause i had a 14 damage blade rift before but that was pure luck out of a unboosted boon

[forest marsh]

The projectiles can be avoided just by walking if you're a reasonable distance away

[lost rose]

^

[forest marsh]

Don't focus on the adds too much, unless they're in your way

[hard holly]

Its not my fault Dusa got a perfectly pinata-shaped head

[lost rose]

you might wanna try to take out witches

they can make dodging hard

[forest marsh]

Artemis dash is best dash for Spear if using the spin-dash technique

[worldly sage]

i did on my last attempt

[stray radish]

correct me if im wrong but you can also destroy the enemy projectiles

[worldly sage]

yes

[lost rose]

yeah you can

[forest marsh]

You can destroy projectiles, yes

[lost rose]

the witch orbs, anyways

[forest marsh]

Except from Hydra and Brimstones

[worldly sage]

also i wanna be part of scythe gang

[lost rose]

no wait you can destroy meg's too right?

[stray radish]

yeah. so that can help sometimes xD

[forest marsh]

Yup, you can destroy Meg's projectiles

[stray radish]

i think you can destroy Meg's bullet hell

[lost rose]

yeah

[cedar musk]

you can yeah

[stray radish]

scythe gang!

[hard holly]

If were lucky, in 1 week everyone can join the scythe gang

[stray radish]

i doubt we're that lucky

[cedar musk]

idk ive had trouble destroying her bullet hell enough to avoid damage when im using spear

[glossy slate]

More of a bullet Hades, really

[forest marsh]

You have to attack pretty fast to get through them all

[stray radish]

hehe

[forest marsh]

It's easier to just avoid them

[stray radish]

or smart special throw

[worldly sage]

Just dont take damage

[cedar musk]

thanks hypnos

[forest marsh]

@worldly sage honestly, yes 😆

[glossy slate]

https://i.imgur.com/vZGboyJ.png

[forest marsh]

But yeah... learn her patterns and when she's vulnerable. After dash is best, but you can get attacks in on her between her AoE summons too

[stray radish]

btw Wight, brimstones arent really projectiles xD they're beams

[forest marsh]

They're an attack that is projected... That is a projectile

[stray radish]

beam

[worldly sage]

beams arent projectiles

[lost rose]

the more dashes you have, the easier the meg fight is tbh

[glossy slate]

They’re frickin rocks with frickin lasers attached to their frickin heads

[worldly sage]

i only have 2 atm

[lost rose]

doing it on one dash isn't impossible but it's not fun

[stray radish]

also Artemis cast is fun vs Meg xD

[forest marsh]

I'll leave you to discuss physics, dinner awaits me

[glossy slate]

Athena cast makes her damage herself with her dash

[hard holly]

I dont think the underworld is called Hades

[glossy slate]

Any deflect does really but the cast is easiest

[hard holly]

Is it?

[glossy slate]

Sources conflict on that

[worldly sage]

my source says that Dash Deflect works on her

that source is me

[glossy slate]

Yeah that one blocks easily too

[cedar musk]

attack deflect looks the coolest tho

[glossy slate]

As long as whatever is deflecting hits her before she hits you, she’ll just pass right through and give you free backstabs

[worldly sage]

ayy

is the practice dummy's item good

cause i have a gift im saving for dusa but idk if i should wait or not

[stray radish]

define 'good' xD

and what you're using right now

[errant narwhal]

its good if you havent unlocked Death Defiances yet

[stray radish]

ye

[glossy slate]

One time death defy at 10 hp

[errant narwhal]

otherwise its still ok but there are better choices

[glossy slate]

Good crutch but I prefer Cerberus for early play

[worldly sage]

Im swapping between cerberus and ares

[dusky drum]

i like artemis and ares, i generally keep my death deviances and get 1-2 centaur hearts in Tartarus

[rain axle]

ares is highly underrated

one of the easiest legendary to force

if you go zeus/ares you can force both legendary and you will melt the room

[forest marsh]

Did your missing Zeus legendary get resolved?

[rain axle]

yeah finally

though it still doesn't offer the buff when it should

still drops a bunch of frames when you get legendary and ares damage going

[austere pebble]

@glossy slate

invalid.

[glossy slate]

Well, I can’t argue with that

[forest marsh]

You're still valid in my heart, gud Doc Don't let language git you down

[glossy slate]

Only one way to handle this I guiss

[worldly sage]

I BEAT THE FIRST BOSS

[forest marsh]

Now your nickname is just going to be incomprehensible to anyone not following along after a few more iterations

I approve

Congrats, Sora!

[worldly sage]

that was cheese

[forest marsh]

But too excited, it seems 😉

[worldly sage]

Spamming Bow special, with double arrows and athena deflect

[forest marsh]

Nice

Bow-shotgun is probably the hardest way to win with bow, though, so double congrats

[worldly sage]

is it actually?

[hollow totem]

Nah

[forest marsh]

As far as other bow strats go? I'd say so

Triple Shot is the EZ Mode meta right now for bow

[hollow totem]

Id say its slow charge

[forest marsh]

With crit and Athena

[hollow totem]

is the worst

Like bow already is teetering the edge of being too slow

[forest marsh]

I said the hardest way to win. I don't believe it's possible to win with slow charge

[hollow totem]

LUL

maybe

Shotgun bow is wild when you play your cards right

[glossy slate]

How is bow too slow?

[hollow totem]

It isnt at base form

But getting the slow buff

[forest marsh]

Maybe if you aren't dash attacking it could be considered slow

[hollow totem]

is

Like

bad

[glossy slate]

Dash-attack charges in less than a second

[forest marsh]

But if you aren't dash attacking then you're doing it wrong

[hollow totem]

Nah base bow is okay

its at a good state

[forest marsh]

@glossy slate So I guess you respond to touch commands, now? Is that how this works?

[glossy slate]

Of course!

But my interface is buggy right now, I’ll either lock up or start crying

[forest marsh]

Please do not touch the GUI Doctor

[glossy slate]

Please touch the GUI Doctor

I haven’t had physical contact with another human in like two years

[forest marsh]

I didn't feel right saying it myself, don't want to violate your personal space or anything 🙃

[glossy slate]

Send help

[forest marsh]

For help, please press F10 on yourself

[glossy slate]

[forest marsh]

Anyway... how about that #h1-builds-and-combat today? Sure is... playing the game

[low ermine]

Occasionally when you spawn into a challenge room Hades will say "can I have a minute of your time" but the challenge only lasts 45 seconds. Literally unplayable.

[forest marsh]

To be fair, in Asphodel it's 55 seconds which is almost a minute

[glossy slate]

Why did you have to tell me this

[woeful stirrup]

Given that the last few seconds are longer than regular seconds, it's probably a minute.

[glossy slate]

We were having a good day

[forest marsh]

But yes, I've heard say that line and thought much the same thing

And with game slowing mechanics in general, not just the last few seconds...

just wants to get you back into his House. He misses you more than ever, now that Persephone is gone

[grand patrol]

"can i have a minute of your time" he cannot.

[forest marsh]

Instead, he has hours of our time... Day after day

It's all very meta

[grand patrol]

hades cant wait for the next patch cause it means well all be spending time with him again

[glossy slate]

you guys are killing me

[woeful stirrup]

Still go talk to him after every run.

[glossy slate]

I want to play so bad now

[forest marsh]

Someone restart the GUI Doctor, it's malfunctioning

[woeful stirrup]

And it's now been 11 runs since I last saw a Zeus boon. Come one, dammit, I need your keepsake, I'm tired of keeping an ambrosia bottle for you.

[glossy slate]

But my computer isn’t going to be available until the 23rd

[forest marsh]

I'm too much of a completionist to not talk to every available character every time I return to the House

[woeful stirrup]

Same.

[glossy slate]

Oh god I feel you

[grand patrol]

brings me great joy to pointedly talk to cerberus before hades

[forest marsh]

I am so sorry for your situation, Doc. That is awful

[glossy slate]

I didn’t get Poseidon’s keepsake until over 50 runs in

[woeful stirrup]

Also, I'll keep looking as long as Zag doesn't say "X must be on break" or something. If he doesn't say it, Hypnos HAS to be somewhere

[forest marsh]

You'll miss the entire first week of the update

[grand patrol]

better late than never!

[glossy slate]

Hold on I’ll put it in off topic, need to rant

[woeful stirrup]

Gui, I recommend not reading the patch notes for the update until after you get your computer back. Just so you can get surprised by everything that's new.

[forest marsh]

Just mute this Discord server, probably for the best

[woeful stirrup]

Otherwise reading them will just be pointless torture.

[glossy slate]

But I LIKE you guys

eeeeeeeeEEEEH

[grand patrol]

dm them about your missing-hades pain

you can even curse if you do that hjghjgfhj

[hollow totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426541543835303953/532403175471185920/Screenshot_1.png

Speeking of shotgun bow

Ez

Artemis single handidly carries poseiden boons

lmfao

[granite jackal]

Is it possible to disable HUD in Hades?

Or, could I find an .INI file or something that contains the HUD elements?

I'd like to make a more cinematic or immersive video for Hades

Having the HUD Disabled would make it a little bit easier ^_^

[forest marsh]

I haven't heard any mention of it, but all the game files are (relatively) accessible if you know what you're doing

[granite jackal]

Brilliant.

[lost rose]

Check the GUI .xml files maybe?

[stoic temple]

is it just me or the Brimstone's hitbox seems to be off sometimes? you have to aim at the little shard instead of the big one.

[forest marsh]

There have been reports of that for KBM users, yes

[glossy slate]

Aim for the shadow

[stoic temple]

alright thanks!

[glossy slate]

👍

[worldly raft]

I think I just got a bug where I was fighting a ton of enemies, and I fired my cast... and they all just died? Anyone seen that?

Like my cast is upgraded but not "end the entire encounter w/ 10 enemies instantly" upgraded.

[forest marsh]

What boon(s) did you have?

Also, if you think it's a bug, make sure you report it in-game with F10

[worldly raft]

ooh, forgot about that. thanks.

[stoic temple]

yeah, I wish I would get that upgrade...

[worldly raft]

no idea how to paste an image of my upgrades in here. But yes I recommend it if you can get it. 😛

[forest marsh]

Take a screenshot, upload it somewhere, and post the link

[glossy slate]

Make sure you’re in windowed mode otherwise it comes out completely borked

[forest marsh]

if using printscreen

[worldly raft]

got it thanks

https://imgur.com/a/FoLeryL

[forest marsh]

Maybe you had some weird interaction with the Deflect on the cast

Or deflected a bunch of bombs that killed stuff? But I guess that would have looked obvious enough to draw a conclusion from

Could just be a weird bug ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worldly raft]

Yeah the weird part was they all disappeared in like 1-3 frames. But yeah maybe a weird deflect thing? Anyway, the high point of my ill-fated cast run. Back to hitting things.

[forest marsh]

Looks like a pretty great Zeus-Flurry build though!

[stoic temple]

yeah, the flurry with the lightning strikes must be really good!

[worldly raft]

yeah it was real good. I still died on hydra because I'd been trying to force the whole spell thing, but I'm going to try it for real some time if I get those buffs again. Flurry works great with all sorts of other buffs so I like to grab it early if I see it.

[glossy slate]

Try Aphrodite for a cast build if you can

[forest marsh]

Don't be in a flurry to force a build, it can be fun to experiment

Combination shotgun-cast and shotgun-bow build? Ultimate meme?

[glossy slate]

The shotgun blast does hilarious amounts of damage, and the weakness coupled with the damage reduction will keep you safe

Nah, even memier

Aphrodite, Oceans Bounty, Defensive Aura shield

[forest marsh]

You have to get a lot of decent boons before you can get the shield, though

[glossy slate]

No the hammer upgrade

[forest marsh]

Oh, I'm thinking the Athena legendary 😆

[glossy slate]

Go for Oceans Bounty, then go full ham on Aphrodite

[forest marsh]

Yes, I understand now 🙃

Where're our challenge runners when we need them?

[glossy slate]

I ended a cast only run with just under 300 health and oneshotting most enemies

[hollow totem]

?

did someone ask for challenge runners?

@forest marsh

wassup

[forest marsh]

Oh, we were just talking about meme builds

I was thinking double shotgun would be funny (bow and cast)

[scarlet dagger]

Question, anyone able to tell me the chances of finding Legendary boons? I've only seen one across all my runs, right before one of my attempts at the second boss.

Is it pure luck on some percentage chance? Increased chance as you delve further in/increase percentage at certain thresholds? Does increasing your chance at Rare/Epic boons increase your chance for Legendary boons indirectly?

[errant narwhal]

Legendary boons have prerequisites, you need 2 specific boons from the same god before you can get a legendary

[scarlet dagger]

Oh, so if you meet the prerequisites, is it 100% chance to get it, or it just unlocks the percentage chance to get it?

[errant narwhal]

you can check out all the legendary boons and how to get them in the hades wiki, the link is pinned here

I have no idea, but I think it’s 100%

[scarlet dagger]

I'm glad that there is a wiki with the information (which I'm going to look up in just a second), but I feel like this information should at least be partially explained to the player in game.

I'm not expecting the game to break the fourth wall and have a book I can read that just explains the dice rolls, but some mention in game that Legendary boons are obtained from combinations of other boons would be helpful.

(I wonder if someone in the feedback chat already mentioned this?)

[errant narwhal]

The feedback channel will be unlocked in a couple of weeks, if it’s not in the next update you could put that there!

I don’t recall

but that’s what search is for

[scarlet dagger]

Imma quickly search for it in case

Yeah, all mentions of "Legendary" are just suggestions for balance changes to individual legendary boons, so 100% I'll suggest this when I'm able to 😄

maybe it can be one of the dialogues with Skelly?

He already explains the game to you so why not?

[errant narwhal]

That’s a nice idea, yeah!

[scarlet dagger]

just browsed the wiki for the information about Legendary boons, and in doing so I saw that other boons are also locked to having prerequisite boons

Which again, was something I did not realise was happening while playing

This isn't some ridiculously big flaw in the game, but I see it being purely beneficial to add an offhanded line of dialogue with someone that mentions this

just something that mentions that some boons are only available if you've gotten other boons

[glossy slate]

The thing is, the locked boons are all ones that only affect other boons from the same god

There’s not really any reason to bring it up because they’re irrelevant until you’re able to see them anyways

[trim crag]

Never knew there even were legendary boons at ¬50 runs so far. Guess I never upgraded the same boons in a row or however the unlock works.

It's true that there could be some clarifications (a single line near when boons are first introduced like "a god's favor grows stronger as you accept their blessings")
That said, I very much enjoy the current feel of certain elements not being explained to death.
Such as working out what the door symbols are.

It adds a little extra to the runs where you can think about stuff while slaying monsters.
There needs to be enough that players aren't missing out on major parts of the game because it's not intuitive VS a little mystery to add something interesting and give a sense of achievement from learning.

Am I upset that I didn't know about legendary boons? Eh, maybe a bit
Would I rather have known about it because the game explained everything clearly? Definitely not.

[tawdry sleet]

Not launched the game recently, how many days to go is it now? 6?

[lost rose]

the update is on the 15th

so, yeah, 6

[thin glacier]

Cant wait. Hope I get to spend all the riches I farmed

[stoic temple]

just to be sure, the weak effect from Aphrodite makes enemies deal less damage, right?

[somber epoch]

yes

[pastel jolt]

50% less, in fact

[stoic temple]

alright thanks!

[pastel jolt]

if you anger aphrodite in a trial of the gods the enemies can also weaken you so you do 50% less to them

[stoic temple]

oh! nice to know

[hollow totem]

Just dont get hit 4head

[frosty pier]

Ow no Supreme Pink Commander betrayed me again! That shotgun-cast is not that good T_T

[scarlet dagger]

i tried it for the first time earlier today, first run in a WHILE where i died to first boss

i really dislike how small of a zone it hits

i don't know if its good in the hands of someone who isn't bad at the game, but i personally dislike it

[obtuse karma]

As a long ranged builder, I agree

[severe orchid]

it's pretty decent burst, but you need to be melee and it feels pretty meh without the faster cast return boon

feels pretty bad when it doesnt one shot stuff too

[analog crystal]

I think it's good early game and lacklustre at meg and beyond

[obtuse karma]

I hope they add a god with kill steal

health steal*

Unless theres already a boon like that and im just missing it

[severe orchid]

I doubt they will. Health is meant to be a limited resource

[obtuse karma]

I'M a limited resource

[severe orchid]

xD

[somber epoch]

@severe orchid @obtuse karma life steal was in the game at one point

[obtuse karma]

Oooo

[severe orchid]

oh really?

[obtuse karma]

For which god/boon?

Or was it a mirror thing?

[severe orchid]

I only picked the game up like last week

[obtuse karma]

I got it two days ago

[somber epoch]

it was a sword buff through the Hammer

10% lifesteal for -30% max health

[woeful stirrup]

All cast boons feel bad without the return cast boon from Artemis.

[somber epoch]

they took it out for bugs and balance reasons

[turbid needle]

meg is so HAAAAARD

[severe orchid]

the -%max hp can easily be made up for with centaur hearts. If they put it back in I think something like double damage taken would be a better balancer for it

[woeful stirrup]

The Aphrodite shotgun is pretty good. Sure, you need to go melee with it, but if you combine it with something like Poseidon's knockback or a good dash, you'll get out of most situations. Last time I took Aphrodite's cast, I lost at the Hydra, and that was only because I didn't have the return boon. Got to its last phase.

[turbid needle]

i can't dodge her attacks 😥

[somber epoch]

she's predictable

you just gotta learn her patterns

[turbid needle]

yeah but she has a great range

[woeful stirrup]

Meg's attacks are easy to dodge. Don't worry too much about damaging her, take care of the witches first, and always look at Meg. For her dash, you can see it coming and she won't change direction while charging it. For her bullet hell, just go far from her, you'll dodge easily this way. For her explosion circles, you can always get out of them, don't try to attack at that point unless you're confident in your abilities.

[severe orchid]

if you're having issues with meg my best tip is to focus on attacking her in the opening after her charge attack. just look for the wind up and dodge diagonally along her path and hit her in the back a couple times before dodging out again. She has other openings, but that should lead to a slow, but safe kill

[turbid needle]

thank you @woeful stirrup ^^

and @severe orchid

[tulip timber]

Yeah, any time you see her start any animation (crouching to charge, floating into the air, etc), you should not be next to her.

Being on top of her when she starts the AoE spray is a good way to take 40 damage.

And if you don't have dash maxed on mirror yet, do that.

[turbid needle]

😂

ok thank man

[somber epoch]

or if you have reflect you could do memes

[tulip timber]

One more thing that would take you a few runs at her to notice; she always starts with her AoE whip thing for 100%-75%. She has a brief invulnerability at 75, 50, and 25% (she'll float in the air in a little tornado). Once you start getting the invuln popup, go kill adds for a bit because you can't hurt her till she does her tornado thing. At each stage she'll gain one of her other skills (explosion circles, bullet hell, summon a bunch of dudes). It's random every time, and while you're learning the fight it's probably worth waiting to see what she picked up so you know what you have to deal with.

None of the fights or mobs are as frantic as they feel when you first encounter them. 😃 You just don't know what's going on. But it does get better as you learn them.

[woeful stirrup]

I disagree. Hydra can get quite frantic when IT WON'T STOP SHOOTING HER PINK THING BARRAGES WHAT THE HELL STOP I CAN'T HIT YOU WHY ARE YOU DOING IT FIVE TIME IN A ROW SOMEBODY HELP

[severe orchid]

the deathboat is always pretty frantic, but it's still much more manageable when you know the mobs well

[tulip timber]

You're talking about the extra heads phases where it's doing the little piddly 5 shot thing?

[woeful stirrup]

Nah, the phase where there are no other hands and she shoots 20 things at the same time.

[tulip timber]

Oh yeah, those you have to cower behind the barricade.

[woeful stirrup]

It didn't work.

They managed to get me from behind the barricade.

They were everywhere. And the Hydra wouldn't stop.

[severe orchid]

or if ur a boss you hang out close and dodge behind hydra right away to get a long free dmg phase

full of backstabs

instant phase transition

[woeful stirrup]

I was dashing and dashing and dashing and screaming and screaming and screaming.

[tulip timber]

If you try and move out early, they'll loop wide enough to catch you on their second pass. If you hug the center of one of the walls (I prefer the left one) they all smack into the wall.

I've tried the dodge like a boss strat. No luck yet.

[woeful stirrup]

Some of them get through the barricade. I have no idea why, it doesn't seem to block them all.

[tulip timber]

The needles are only a problem if I get out too early and go on their long arc before coming back to hit me unexpectedly.

[woeful stirrup]

So you try to dodge those, and since you're not in the same place anymore, Hydra shoots more elsewhere and at that point it's just doom.

[tulip timber]

And it's really a problem when they hit me just when the second wave of needles is coming.

[woeful stirrup]

Especially since it never stops using this attack.

I died at the 5th of them in a row. Couldn't do anything.

[tulip timber]

It does it twice, then does head slams and bites, then does it twice again. I've never seen it do needles more than 2x before doing something else.

[woeful stirrup]

It did it 5 times.

[tulip timber]

Gross. Not saying I don't believe you. 😃 Just saying I've never experienced that. That would be dumb and boring.

[woeful stirrup]

I also thought it was limited to twice. But it isn't. That or I ran into a bug.

It's true that the Hydra didn't do this to me the previous times.

[tulip timber]

So possibly a bug. I can't imagine that's intended behavior. Because it's neither fun nor interesting.

[obtuse merlin]

I think pink darts are not that fun to begin with

stun lock is really punishing

if you mis position in the center when he starts you eat 7 x 4 damage easy before you can actually do anothing

[tulip timber]

Though certainly less fun if they are spammed constantly. 😃

[still pewter]

the more I play and the better I become, the more frustrated I get by hydra bites

on melee weapons that is

maybe I'm just bad, but I feel like it's just an hp tax I have to pay at times

[pastel jolt]

honestly i didn't even know the hydra had a bite attack and then i got murdered by it and went full confusedpikachu.jpg

[still pewter]

I dunno how to feel

[manic goblet]

same, I always thought Hydra only had the earthquake thing and the darts

[tulip timber]

Hydra is definitely a hard boss to read for doing melee damage to it. I still really don't have it figured out for anything but bow or some sort of ranged shenanigans on other weapons.

[pastel jolt]

i'm still mad about the hydra being able to hit me through the wall with the groundpound

[tulip timber]

I include spear charge dash in ranged shenanigans.

[stoic temple]

https://imgur.com/FMJ54Lt

[tulip timber]

@pastel jolt I also don't like that or think it feels good, considering none of my AoE crap can go through walls.

[stoic temple]

managed to defeat the hydra with a pretty weird build haha

with the shield

[pastel jolt]

nice!

[tulip timber]

Haha. That's a nice one. PUT ALL THE POMS IN THE ARES.

[stoic temple]

I was only getting poms hahaha

[pastel jolt]

i'm impressed you made it all the way to hydra with only one boon, frankly

[stoic temple]

yeah, me too haha

[tulip timber]

I'm impressed you didn't have like 400 gold and darkness instead of all those poms.

That's how my runs seem to go.

[stoic temple]

hahaha

[pastel jolt]

i love when i get a brainblank moment and think an obol room is a shop

Disappointment

[stoic temple]

hahaha

[tulip timber]

Shops should have a chance to be Elite encounters. With better wares (higher epic chance on boons or something).

[manic goblet]

Shop has ware... if you have coin

[pastel jolt]

boss fight: charon

throws coins at you

[manic goblet]

I was actually somewhat surprised

that charon DOESN'T start fighting you, when you destroy all his vases

[tulip timber]

And accidentally hit him several times in the process.

[manic goblet]

you know, like a ton of shopkeepers do nowadays in roguelikes

yeah, that too

[tulip timber]

Uuurrrrgh.

-Charon, 2019

[pastel jolt]

i'm.... out of knives coins.

[tulip timber]

If they implement that they'll have to do better with some of the auto-hit stuff like Zeus dash and shield throw.

Otherwise every shop will be "do not hit any buttons or you will die."

[manic goblet]

I'd love that :^)

[ashen abyss]

what if we just steal his stuff?
then we have to fight him and he should be helluva hard
we lose = death
we win = 1 boon from each god, 3 ambros, 3 keys and like 1k darkness but he doesnt spawn in that run ever again

[pastel jolt]

charon is actually three kecleons in a trenchcoat

[manic goblet]

hahaha, the kecleons

[ashen abyss]

i'm somewhat disappointed that he is a merchant and not a super strong boss
woulda been cool to encounter him at river Styx and fight for right to ride his boat to other side
ofc with a twist - we coulda just paid him

[tulip timber]

Still might. Lot of game left.

[ashen abyss]

tru

[manic goblet]

But everytime before you get to him... there's a shop in the room before

[ashen abyss]

[manic goblet]

so you're always out of coins

[woeful stirrup]

Damn, bow special build is useless against Hydra. Can't get close enough for it to work unless you let it bite you.

[tulip timber]

Correct.

[woeful stirrup]

A shame, it worked so well in Asphodel.

Especially against the bombers and witches. They could not get a hit on me.

[tulip timber]

What boon on Special?

[woeful stirrup]

Also a bit salty that I've seen no Charon's Well in all of Asphodel and ended up with no healing item at all through the whole thing. Only shop I saw had darkness, ambrosia and pom, bought everything and had 100 gold left, but couldn't get heals.

[tulip timber]

Did you have the hammer that gave extra shots?

[woeful stirrup]

Athena boon.

The only hammer I got only gave me attack choices, which was a shame.

[tulip timber]

That's a big ol' deflect.

Some people have asked for a minimap showing spawn bonuses in rooms (blood portal, chest, Charon pot, etc). I think you could do just as well with little arrow indicators that pop up after combat. Not sure minimap makes sense for this game.

[woeful stirrup]

Got a grand total of 3 boons that run. 200 darkness and 5 keys though.

[tulip timber]

I'd also really like a clearer indication of destructables filled with gold, particularly in Asphodel.

[somber epoch]

just run dusa keepsake and break every pot

[tulip timber]

I did a couple runs where I broke everything, but it's tedious and breaks up the gameflow.

[woeful stirrup]

Not many pots in Asphodel.

[tulip timber]

There are enough of the skull urn things.

And the pillars sometimes have gold in them.

But not often enough to make breaking every one worth my time.

[woeful stirrup]

I don't care about gold. I'm rolling in gold. Managed to buy a pom, an ambrosia bottle, some darkness and the Achilles wall scroll. Stop giving me gold, game or at least give me useful stuff to buy with it.

[somber epoch]

keepsake to turn gold into darkness maybe?

[tulip timber]

I think that'll get better with more floors.

[severe orchid]

@woeful stirrup on the topic of making bow special work against hydra I find that the projectile attack is your best opening to get in there. Then again I would personally avoid doing a bow special build without the daedalus upgrade

[woeful stirrup]

The few boons I got didn't give me much of a choice, really. When you get an epic and two commons, you pick the epic.

[severe orchid]

fair enough. with a big enough boon it can still work I guess

[woeful stirrup]

It's not even that I tried to force a build out of it, it's just that I got that, and then I got nearly nothing more.

[severe orchid]

that happens

[woeful stirrup]

Same for the healing. In Tartarus, the Wells were filled with healing stuff. As soon as I got to Asphodel, no Wells, only chests... I'm over 500 gold, stop giving me chests, give me heals, dangit.

[severe orchid]

sometimes I make it to hydra with no good attack boons 😦

[somber epoch]

maybe add an option to spend gold to reroll a shop

[woeful stirrup]

Started the Hydra with all 3 of my Death Defiances, but with only 17 HP.

[severe orchid]

regardless, was just trying to give a pointer on what I find the best success with for openings on a slow melee ability like bow special

[woeful stirrup]

Thankfully there's always two heals in the Hydra room, but they're small heals.

[severe orchid]

since he cant bite while using the proj attack

[woeful stirrup]

Main head is not the issue, the small head are. Big head you can do with no boons at all if you're patient.

[severe orchid]

ah, u were talking about the small heads

yeeeh

those u end up trading with often with that ability

[woeful stirrup]

Which is why I deplore the fact I did not get heals. Trading is fine, if you've got the HP for it. Each time I had to trade, I lost a Death Defiance.

[severe orchid]

yup that sucks

not a fan of the small hydra bites, since there's basically no tell

[tulip timber]

Really only HAVE to trade with 1 head on the 6 head phase. After you clear out one head, you have space to take your time provided red heads are notdumping lava everywhere.

[woeful stirrup]

That's a big "provided".

They always dump lava right behind the barricade, those buttheads.

Also, Bloodless. Can't always reach the places where they heads spawn them, and when you got one on each side, there's no way to get them without coming out of hiding.

[wispy moon]

What's everyone's favorite weapon? I like spear and sheild right now?

[still pewter]

I think I like the sword best

[somber epoch]

I like sword boi, yisss

[still pewter]

sword bois unite

[severe orchid]

I have the most fun with shield, but for tryharding bow or spear with artemis dash makes for easy wins

[wispy moon]

I suck with Artemis. I like weaponized dash

[woeful stirrup]

I never even saw the Artemis dash. Always gives me Attack, Special and Cast with her. What's her dash?

[severe orchid]

guaranteed crit on attacks after dashing

scales up duration and amount of attacks when u level it

[woeful stirrup]

Interesting. Guess it goes well with spear charge?

[severe orchid]

yeah thats what makes it broken

charge up and dash when ur ready to attack

when you get used to it u get backstabs off it most of the time

[somber epoch]

also i think uh

doesn't bow charge faster after dash?

[severe orchid]

yeah

[pastel jolt]

it does

[severe orchid]

it just means you can stack crit with athena/poseidon attack boon and do absurd damage

[tulip timber]

RE: Weapon preferences, Bow is bae.

Even without artemis dash.

I cleared a no-boon run with bow this weekend. 😃 I had to take a couple, but I didn't put them on attack or dash, and didn't use anything but attack or dash.

[somber epoch]

wow, that's impressive

[tulip timber]

It's the most satisfying weapon to use IMO.

[somber epoch]

power shots especially

bastion strats coming right back to me

[tulip timber]

Yeah, they just FEEL good.

[somber epoch]

i like sword for mobility

[tulip timber]

I think sword special locks you in place too long, otherwise I like it.

Sword is probably my second.

[somber epoch]

i don't use special that much

except for abusing spawn animations

[tender zephyr]

Does it say something when you get two different legendary boons(Poseidon and Ares), but can't get that one boon the entire run's been made for(Ocean's Bounty)?

Also, slam detection is shoddy as heck in Asphodel.

[pastel jolt]

it's the little grey ash piles

they stop enemies, but don't cause them to take damage

[still pewter]

how come they did away with surges

I wasn't playing at the time

[tender zephyr]

I heard it before, but experiencing it personally is annoying as heck

[still pewter]

what was the community reaction?

[pastel jolt]

they were really, really slow and as such didn't feel like a good enough tradeoff

[still pewter]

huh

[tulip timber]

What were surges?

[glossy slate]

They changed your dash from an instant blink to a sort of glide with an aoe

Ares would make you slide around with a blade rift stuck to you

[tulip timber]

Ah. Yeah, I don't even like Athena dash as currently implemented. Pretty sure I would have hated surges.

[worn dawn]

Guh one of these days I’ll win with bow

I keep coming so close ;_;

Darn 6 heads

To be fair this was a jank build run, and level 6 Poseidon cast may not have been the ideal strat

[tulip timber]

Sploosh.

With Poseidon cast you can sometimes get it to go off and do damage without getting stuck in things. But the aiming is kind of a pain.

[stoic temple]

does a shield on an enemies would prevent them from being stun?

[somber epoch]

i think armor does prevent stun, yes

[tulip timber]

Though I think they still get the blue stun circle around them.

So possibly visual bug.

[stoic temple]

ah, bummer! I had a really good build with lots of pushing around with the shield

but it did nothing to enemies with shield lol

[long herald]

i feel like the shield is close to useless i cant seem to beat the hydra unless i get aries boon and use it on special and cheese it

maybe if it could push bosses and hit em on walls or somthing

[severe orchid]

shield is fine, but it doesn't have quite the damage potential of the other weapons

[tender zephyr]

I have one shield win under my belt, and that was due to stacking defense buffs with 2 20% defense ups from the shield and Aphrodite combined with Aphrodite's Weakness debuff had the Hydra hitting me for a measly 3 damage.

[south comet]

when in doubt, tank it out

[graceful bough]

What day are we getting the patch?

[south comet]

the 15th

so 6ish days from now!

[forest marsh]

So excited...

More content is good content

[tender zephyr]

When you're build is trash, but somehow you still manage to win

...Without even using a single death defy

I don't even know

[graceful bough]

Love it when that happens in rogueish games.

[tender zephyr]

Does Revenge damage activate Avenging Gain?

Because Skull Earrings activated like 5-6 times in the hydra fight

And that's not taking into account the food

In any case, first spear win, kinda?

[hollow totem]

lmfao

[graceful bough]

Whatever the thing is that gives you a little bit of health back can definitely make the earring activate then deactivate several times in a row.

[forest marsh]

Yeah, that's Avenging Gain

As far as I know any damage to an enemy counts for the purpose of Avenging Gain

[tender zephyr]

If any damage counts, then it's kinda broken since revenge damage is automatically dealt whenever you take damage meaning you'll always restore a little of your hp whenever you take a hit.

[forest marsh]

I'd say put it in feedback, but I guess hold onto that until it's unlocked again 😆

[tender zephyr]

Also, sidenote the sword's jab sucks since it's animation can trap you.
sigh Yet another mark against the sword in comparison to all the other weapons

[graceful bough]

Last patch had a major rework of the weapons.

Expect things like that to be amended over time so long as they keep being reported to feedback.

[long herald]

i think the best way to use sword would be getting the chop with posidon attack buff or the flurry with zues makes fights super ez

[forest marsh]

Sword special is decent if you get some boons into it

+dmg and radius is pretty much a necessity though

[long herald]

yeah thats true but kinda hard vs bosses to use it without gettin hit

[forest marsh]

I didn't find it that bad, but I guess it depends how careful you're being

[long herald]

true it all depends on play style

btw can you get more than one daedlus hammer in a playthrough?

[forest marsh]

No, right now you can only get one

And I don't see that changing to be honest

[long herald]

yeah prolly 2 broken if you got more than one

[tender zephyr]

What would be broken about getting close range and triple shot on the bow? I see nothing wrong with that.

[forest marsh]

You ever read the xkcd What If? series, and how they inevitably end in an expanding cloud of plasma obliterating the Earth? That's why we can't have that

[tender zephyr]

You know, Distant Shot Bow isn't half-bad. Dashing in close and obliterating your enemy with crits is the usual way to go with Bow, but sitting back and sniping isn't half-bad either. It's the weaker upgrade yeah, but the way it affects your mentality is pretty impactful. Since you need to be far away in order to maximize damage, you're constantly staying out of any danger and away from getting hit. My run's been incredibly clean to the point that I'm annoyed I took 2 hits on the boat.

Granted the hydra's probably going to wreck me, but eh. Can't win them all.

[forest marsh]

Yeah. The nice thing about the way the game is working right now is that most builds are viable, you just have to be willing to adapt your playstyle

[tender zephyr]

bleh Hydra got me. I just don't have the space to maximize my dps, and without dps I get overcrowded. Problem is that the best spot to kill the heads is to literally stand right next to the main hydra which means you need to be doubly aware of his attacks.

[dusky drum]

its good to clear the heads at the bottom for breathing room first then handle one side at a time

it may be slow but its effective3

[forest marsh]

I usually just pounce on the first to appear/closest to me to kill it as fast as possible, and then work my way to one side or the other

[long herald]

try getting aries boon on the bow attack when playing with the instant shot your attack is weak but the aries damage more than replaces for it

[dusky drum]

i feel like sword is a harder weapon to use compared to the others

[forest marsh]

I would agree

[dusky drum]

the others all have ranged options

the sword relies on damage and knockback but thats really luck based to get a good run

[long herald]

you gotta use the doge alot more when using the sword but it has a couple builds that make it ez

getting the double hit after dash or flurry + zues bolt or the single chop with any of the damage enhancing effects works really well

[long herald]

any idea what the chance is at legendary drops ? cuz i got like 2-3 max

[forest marsh]

Hmmm, not sure to be honest. You just have to have the prerequisite boons and then they are added into the pool for that god

[graceful bough]

I didn't know that. @forest marsh

I didn't know that made them more common to show up.

[forest marsh]

It's the only way to make them show up

[graceful bough]

No, it's not.

Wait, depends on what you mean by prerequisite boons.

[forest marsh]

You can look up all the prerequisites on the wiki, see pinned message in this channel

There are certain boons you have to get before the Legendary ones will appear as options

[graceful bough]

Interesting.

[forest marsh]

They're listed on the page for each god at the bottom of the boon list

[tender zephyr]

I think the chances increase as you get deeper down as well as if you get the boon from a trial

[graceful bough]

Well I've only gotten legendaries like thrice ever.

Including the time I got two in one room as one.

[tender zephyr]

Same

The two for one special that is

[graceful bough]

I got one of those rooms where you get 2 boons, and anger one of the gods.

They both had legendaries.

[tender zephyr]

Yeah, I think trial rooms increase the chances

[graceful bough]

I mean

Usually the boons they provide are lower powered than rooms with singular boons.

That's pretty consistent in my experience.

Except for the one time they both had legendaries.

[keen tangle]

does anyone else hatedraft boons?

[forest marsh]

Can't say I have

[keen tangle]

like, you get 2 crappy boons (e.g. special and cast) and a third that is meh (artemis attack crit), but what you really want is artemis dash crit and athena's attack bonus, take one of the crappy ones like special or cast just to keep those slots open

[forest marsh]

Oh, that. Yes, definitely

I think that's fairly common

It can result in some "interesting" builds when you never find the boons you're looking for

[keen tangle]

somewhat embarassingly, i just died to meg because i hate drafted and only got the 2 crappy boons and no damage upgrades

[forest marsh]

I guess that's part of the danger of looking for a particular build, although sometimes you just don't have a choice in the matter

[keen tangle]

hrm. 4 runs in a row where my build options are garbage. time to go see if the adc buffs in league are worth looking at.

[raw sonnet]

The Hydra is a nightmare... cut off a head? 3 more show up... cut off those 3? another big one... Oh geeze now its 5... then another big one... and then its like 8! How do you even kill this thing? The projectiles dont even care if you can deflect and home pretty nice... and the heads cant oopsies one another?

[forest marsh]

Well, if you got to the 6-head phase then you're pretty close

That's the last summon phase

The projectiles are manageable as long as you aren't standing right in the middle of the arena when they start firing

[frosty pier]

And that's why I take my magic staff and hat, and cast it down into lava. There that wretched thing deserves to be.

[forest marsh]

'cause once you get hit, the stun lock is punishing

[frosty pier]

If you dont have shield hammer or Athena's deflect vengeance

Then you can escape stunlocks

[raw sonnet]

Yeah, the fan of blades is at least 3 hits once it touches you. Like having Aphrodite to keep me safer... but I've tried athena's deflect, it hasnt been working

I attached it to my specials... didnt do anything to the little purple viper knives

[woeful stirrup]

That's the issue with a lot of the boons. Work great on regular enemies, useless on bosses.

Poseidon in particular is the worst of the bunch against the Hydra.

[forest marsh]

Yeah, the Hydra projectiles can't be deflected

You can block them with shield though

[raw sonnet]

Out of the two bosses I've seen, most worked on the first... the second is harder to deal with... I'm guessing the third will be a brute force & skill strict approach

I need like... a sword and shield

[forest marsh]

You either have to kite the projectiles, have good dodging skill, or hide behind the black walls and then dodge when the last 2 comes wrapping around the sides

[raw sonnet]

Goblin Slayer dlc?

bby, the walls arent permanent

Nothing is forever

All will return to the pool of blood eventually

[forest marsh]

The black walls are as permanent as they come in this game 😛

[raw sonnet]

Perhaps I wasn't seeing clearly.

Though I do think this type of gameplay would do well for My boi

[forest marsh]

There are 4 walls on either side. The middle 2 on each side are indestructible

[woeful stirrup]

But projectiles can slip between the middle two.

[raw sonnet]

^ I guess that's what I was seeing

[woeful stirrup]

It's always surprising when it happens.

[raw sonnet]

Because I wasnt safe anywhere but doding by the thick of it

[forest marsh]

On very rare instances that's been reported. Haven't had it happen to me yet, but that's a relatively small sample size

The last 2 projectiles do sneak around the sides and can still hit you on the back of the wall without them going through the wall, for what it's worth

[raw sonnet]

It did it to me twice in the same fight... I just figured those 'walls' were just really slow to crumble

Because the level of detail on some of this stuff is off the charts

You dash? Scratches the ground

[forest marsh]

It's entirely possible there's a small gap in the hitboxes between the black walls, though

[woeful stirrup]

Well, it's not all projectiles going through, thankfully. But yeah, with the huge barrages during the last phase, there's nearly always one or two of them going between the middle two walls for me.

[forest marsh]

I wonder if you stand slightly offset from the exact middle if it would prevent them slipping between

[raw sonnet]

I'll find out answers to that eventually... Only seen the hydra 3 times

Twice with the spear, once with the shield... So twice with skill, once with throwing and doding

[frosty pier]

The line between skill and cheese, there is it really?

[forest marsh]

They say that sufficiently advanced skill is indistinguishable from cheese

[severe orchid]

feel like there's some shade being thrown at my shield baby

[forest marsh]

Shield creates its own shade

Part of the design

[severe orchid]

by overshadowing all other weapons with its awesomeness?

[forest marsh]

Only before the first patch rolled out

[severe orchid]

😦

[forest marsh]

There's nothing wrong with shield, to be fair

I just wouldn't say that it's the best /opinion

[severe orchid]

nah neither would I dont worry

I just love charging around with it

[forest marsh]

It is a fun weapon

[raw sonnet]

Spear is best

You can stab people... you can throw it... you can look sexy while doing it

[severe orchid]

or you can spin and ignore everything else

[frosty pier]

You can play bowling with people with shield

[forest marsh]

I love me some hand-spun cheese

Hey-hey-hey, I just noticed there was an update on the feedback channel. Looks like they've started processing/approving/rejecting feedback suggestions. Apologies if this was already mentioned, but I only noticed now

Sadly, my Hydra-in-The-House-of-Hades idea is a non-starter (I figured it would be)

[empty canopy]

Eh most of my ideas were shot down and i get why even if it stings

[frosty pier]

Pests dont belong in that House

[raw sonnet]

The backlog for feedback was enormous... so I didn'tt post anything

Didnt wanna end up reposting someone's idea

[frosty pier]

Deep seated hatred for stunlocks just sayn...

[raw sonnet]

I appreciate it when the enemy gets a small stun lock on me

makes me feel more like I'm part of the world and what I can do... they can do

Instead of me being just this ultra powerful

Nothing gives you the panic, "I need out I need out," like being put into a combo
Also gives their attacks weight, which you can not simply shrug off and dash out of

[frosty pier]

Well I can apreciate a smart ultra-combo on my face but knifes are just meh...

[forest marsh]

Things I'm learning about potential fixes/features for the Major Update™ while reading the dev feedback on the feedback channel (Note: these are just my interpretations):
• Casts will probably be getting a significant rework in the update
• Boss fights will probably be altered somewhat
• Asphodel getting some sort of rework
• Possible incentives/mechanics for utilizing all of your abilities rather than focusing on one
• Possibility for keepsakes to increase in potency with repeated gifting/some other mechanism
• Blood Gate rework
• Solution to excess keys/darkness/ambrosia
• In-game timer for runs
• Possible leaderboard/timed rank system
• Various weapon/boon/upgrade compatibility/function fixes
• Burning your feet while boarding the ferry
• Fix for issues with undeflectable projectiles
• Fix for shield block proc'ing revenge damage
• Item(s)/mechanic(s) to apply debuff (with or without benefit?) for challenge/extra gain and/or Challenge mode
• Consolidated/more accessible run stats window
• Fix for survival room's lackluster performance
• Change(s) to Artemis crit boon(s)
• Pet the doggo 🐕 ?!
• Change(s) to existing keepsake(s) for balancing/usefulness
• Rework of Infernal Troves

Seems Amiracle is actively going through right now, will try to keep updated for those who can't wait for patch notes

[worldly raft]

This is rad, thanks!

[worn dawn]

You’re a hero for summarising things

But are they gonna fix the unbreakable pots >.>

[errant narwhal]

I mean, maybe?

[frosty pier]

Are they gonna fix sliding pots and ash piles? They are hilarious, plz dont

[worn dawn]

I’m fine with sliding pots

[forest marsh]

Not sure... I was reading all the feedback, but it was so much so I'm only summarizing feedback with confirmed ✅ from the devs, not rejected or in-progress-fix items

[worn dawn]

But pots standing still being invincible

Are not okay

And offend me deeply on a personal level

[errant narwhal]

It’s feedback, and those are bugs

So you’re just gonna have to wait and see in the bugs department

[worn dawn]

I know, I’ve submitted a big report for it~~

*bug

[lost rose]

a big bug report

[worn dawn]

Yup!

[errant narwhal]

Unfortunately we can’t see the ✅ on bugs but... yeah

[worn dawn]

Hopefully patch notes mention what bugs have been fixed

[lost rose]

I'm sure they will!

[forest marsh]

They usually do

[worn dawn]

P o t s

[forest marsh]

Maybe a mod could pin my list before it gets buried? 🙏

[frosty pier]

Well SGG are not japanese so Chance is high

[worn dawn]

I do wish they’d make it easier to break pots with bow

Bow is lowest tier in the pot-breaking meta

[forest marsh]

I believe that specific feedback got a 🚫

[frosty pier]

Q isnt good enough?

[woeful stirrup]

Bow special in Charon shop is bliss.

[worn dawn]

Q is so sloooow

[errant narwhal]

I mean personally I feel like that’s not super important, it’s still easy just takes a second more

[worn dawn]

And misses half of them

[errant narwhal]

zag will never punch

[worn dawn]

There is nothing more important than breaking pots

[lost rose]

things zag will never do:
-punch
-sit

[frosty pier]

[errant narwhal]

-be rude to dusa

[forest marsh]

Wh-?! No punching?

[errant narwhal]

looking at you, NYX

[forest marsh]

We're hoping for a cestus weapon add though

[frosty pier]

Yeah

[lost rose]

yeah i'm kidding, i have no idea what's coming next!

i'm just as in the dark as you folks, haha

about most things anyways.

[frosty pier]

Punching a wretch is the purest form of joy that you can get wrom digital violence

[worn dawn]

I just want to pet the doggo and break pots

I have simple goals

[woeful stirrup]

I just want to pet pots and break the doggo.

[frosty pier]

Pet Dusa, and break Hydra.

[scarlet dagger]

wait a minute

[woeful stirrup]

(housebreak the doggo, obviously)

[lost rose]

pet the hydra and break hades' lovely architecture

[worn dawn]

“Who keeps fixing this?” is one of my fav lines in the game

[lost rose]

i hope the dead have labor unions

[south comet]

death insurance

[worn dawn]

Would it be the dead fixing all the pillars we break?

[forest marsh]

Oooo, the latest update to my list will please some members of our little community...

[lost rose]

i kinda figured it was?

[forest marsh]

Surely it's Dusa fixing everything

[lost rose]

oh the no-boon bit?

i'm following along too 😛

[frosty pier]

I think the line is about "Cleaning this up"

Not fixing

Hm

And here we have it!

[lost rose]

(by the way just because something has a checkmark next to it, that doesn't necessarily mean all aspects of that feedback are being implemented, or that they're being implemented in the exact way listed in the feedback - i think it just broadly means that it's being fixed or addressed somehow)

[frosty pier]

Dusa is the Final Boss "I'm sorry prince but I'm not going to clean that last 1000 pots you broke"

[forest marsh]

Yeah, I understand that. I just want to summarize a list of potential fixes/changes

So when people ask "What's in the update?!" I can point to a list of probable outcomes

[lost rose]

yeah! just don't want people to look at it and then get upset or something because they thought their suggest was being taken to the letter, haha

[raw sonnet]

I mean.. I do want to pet the doggo... I also want to pet the

[forest marsh]

I wonder if I'll run into the message size limit before they finish going through feedback 🙃

[forest marsh]

Looks like they're done, and so my list is complete*

*As interpreted by me

I'm not going to repost it, but you can scroll up a bit if you want to see what I took out of it

[carmine zinc]

In the end it s the game designer who have the final word on any changes

[forest marsh]

Oh, absolutely. I just thought it would be nice to compile the things they said would be addressed in some manner

[tawdry sleet]

Muchly appreciated @forest marsh

[tawdry sleet]

Have a big feeling the Artemis dash is going to be nerfed

[severe orchid]

that needs to happen tbf. It's both too strong, and it makes the existence of her attack boon pointless

[raw sonnet]

<-< I never use her dash

-> I use her to make true shot

Like... I exclusivly want Art for my spells except when im using the bow

Question for the more knowing though... Is pos the only one with the 'drops booster' boon?

[manic goblet]

think so, yes

[raw sonnet]

Man...

He's not even the sexiest of the brothers!

Zeus's all like 'do it carefully, or maybe this'll be too good.' Which goes right along with getting massive health boosters

[rough condor]

yes he is the only one with drop boosts, ocean's bounty

the only other drop boon is from athena "vast riches" for just some gold

[obtuse merlin]

has anyone been able to figure out the how and why of trinket locks?

mostly it seems you are not allowed to change back to a trinket after a stage

but not always

and sometimes you are not allowed more than one, e.g. finish stage move off trinket, it locks out, move off next trinket, it locks out as well

[drifting hemlock]

Whenever you swap a trinket the one you swapped from is locked out.

A thing I'm struggling with is Poseidons reward boon. E.g. i just had 100% bonus rewards from all rooms and when i cleared a gold room i got 300+ gold instead of what should have been 150 gold... Is the multiplier messed up or am i misunderstanding something here

[obtuse merlin]

how do you know you were supposed to get 150 ?

[drifting hemlock]

Gold rooms give 75 gold

100%+ of that should be 150

[obtuse merlin]

so just the coin gave you 3xx ?

[drifting hemlock]

it gave me about 300% more gold instead of 100%, but the darkness rooms gave me a correct 100% more

300+% *

So 4x the regular reward more or less

[obtuse merlin]

that sounds like a bug to me

[drifting hemlock]

Health from centaur hearts also seemed to give the correct 100% more

yeah seems iffy, but i can't type in the feedback room currently

[obtuse merlin]

I wonder if you always get 75 for gold rooms

there might be some rng

I know darkness can vary

[drifting hemlock]

Darkness only varies from normal to elite rooms. 10 for normal and 20 for elite

you can see the difference if theres a little skull when entering the door

[obtuse merlin]

you also get the pinker darkness rooms which give more irc

[drifting hemlock]

Pinker??

50+ runs here and so far haven

havent seen anything but 10, 20, 30 and 40 darkness rooms

30 and 40 being bosses

[obtuse merlin]

there seem to be faintly lighter purple gem entrances which give 20, but not a 100 % on it

[drifting hemlock]

Thats the elite rooms

[obtuse merlin]

but no skull

[drifting hemlock]

Huh, interesting, I have yet to see that

[obtuse merlin]

but maybe I am imagining things, haven't paid super careful attention

[drifting hemlock]

Another thing I feel like needs a tweak is the Sunken Treasure from Poseidon, that gives an assortment of health, gold and darkness... I just found the epic variation of it and i got 16 health, 30 gold and 3 darkness...

[pastel jolt]

don't worry! i think that's probably going to get addressed at some point 😄

[drifting hemlock]

I just joined the discord so I'm pretty blank on what have been discussed and not 😄 But cool!

[tulip timber]

I think of that boon as Sammiches from Uncle Posey.

[tender zephyr]

About Ocean's Bounty, it supposed to give you more hp when you get a centaur's heart right? Because I snagged one in the safe room right before the hydra, and it still just gave me the usual +25.

[tulip timber]

Ocean's Bounty: After clearing encounters, gain more Darkness, Obols, or Health than usual.

So safe rooms are no bonus, nor are purchases from shops.

Probably wouldn't get it from healing fountain rooms either.

I wonder if it effects the Athena bonus gold boon. Seems it should when you clear a room, but it's kind of a fringe case.

Personally I don't see why it shouldn't apply to all rewards. But I assume there's a reason.

[tender zephyr]

I figured as much.
Also, just got my first sword win...which is odd since I died in freaking Tartarus of all things and considered abandoning it but kept on going, got the sword special upgrade with Athena's blessing and wrecked the hydra. Powered up sword special can actually take out multiple heads at once.
I'll have to stop badmouthing sword.

[tulip timber]

Athena is best boon for flat damage most of the time (unless you get a good high rarity boon from someone else).

I don't think I've abandoned a run yet, just because you never know. And even if you don't clear you still probably learn something.

[tender zephyr]

Sometimes you're just playing really bad and getting hit by stupid junk

You feel like you have two left hands, and everything's a mess. So you just end up restarting

Also, I have seen hell, and it is three skullomats all next to each other paired with Voidstones

Turns out there's a limit to how many hits the shield can charge through

Skulls serve as a literal body shield as the shield charge can't even reach the skullomats or voidstones

[tulip timber]

Did not know shield charge had a cap.

[analog crystal]

I just learned a new interaction, where my deflected attacks gained attributes from boons I had picked up for attack

They were giving enemies weak when I had aphro attack boon

Can anyone confirm this? And does it work with other boons like knockback?

[drifting hemlock]

Anyone finding that enemies in Asphodel isn't always pushable? The small bombers seems to only be pushable while attacking and the big ones also seem to have a random timing to it.

On top of that sometimes enemies wont be pushed into the lava as if there was an obstacles blocking their way, when there's no obstacle at all

[pastel jolt]

the second one: they're probably being pushed into the small ash piles ypu can break by running through. they block enemies but don't do wallslam damage

[analog crystal]

Is being able to obtain sunken treasure from Poseidon boons twice in a run a glitch or intended?

[glossy slate]

Intended

Sunken treasure and Athena’s variant don’t disappear when claimed

[analog crystal]

That's a shame taking up a boon in the pool where I could've got another option

[glossy slate]

I think it’s going to be more relevant as the game gets longer

After a point seeing a god room will be more of a hindrance than a help, since you’ll already have all the boons you want for that run

Adding some reusable boons that just give you pickups means the gods stay somewhat relevant in the lategame

Especially since those boons scale off number of rooms completed

[analog crystal]

I do wonder how they'll deal with that outside of reusable boons

Having a choice of boons seems a bit redundant when you'll have all of a gods boon by floor 4 or w/e

[glossy slate]

I’d say either just thematic reusable boons for each god, or the option to take a boon or hand the god ambrosia to upgrade one of their boons you’ve already claimed

A more focused Pom, really

[analog crystal]

Or if they add Olympus as some sort of boss rush of the gods at the end game where before you fight a god their boons are taken away

[glossy slate]

I kind of expect to fight at least a couple of the gods

Ares and Artemis would probably understand Zag’s reasons, but Zeus would almost certainly be out for blood

[analog crystal]

I would love 12 rooms of consecutive bosses with maybe a lil rest in between every 3 or 4

But each one is less grindy than meg

[glossy slate]

And Ares would jump at a chance to fight Zag just for fun

[analog crystal]

Yeah, one reason I don't pick Ares in god choice rooms is cus he seems to take it the best

Ik it doesn't affect anything but I feel bad when they get offended haha

[glossy slate]

I know Ares had a comment about Zag keeping his true motives secret

Something about how he fights like there’s more on the line than just freedom, but Ares doesn’t care either way

[analog crystal]

I think Ares is just happy as long as there's death

[glossy slate]

Exactly

Ares is that uncle that’s not really angry or vindictive, he just wants to fight because it’s fun

[pastel jolt]

when sisyphus pulled his whole "capturing thanatos" shenaniganry, ares was the main god who got annoyed by this because war's not fun if nobody's dying

if i'm remembering right

[analog crystal]

Hahaha, sounds like a spoiled teen

[grand patrol]

thats why i suspect him the most
cause when zag says "oh i reached olympus i can stop now", ares gonna EXPLODE

[analog crystal]

I feel like Ares is raising you up to be stronger so he can have a good fight with you

[glossy slate]

^

[analog crystal]

It's like those typical characters in some shows that leave someone alive so they can get stronger and have a better fight

[grand patrol]

once youre touched by this power, you think you can stop? you think i will let you stop, my kin?

[glossy slate]

Even the god of war would understand that there’s no point in continuing a battle when the goal has been reached

[analog crystal]

My kin intensifies

[turbid needle]

that would be awesome

[grand patrol]

now tbh i think each of them is going to pull a "i booned you, i own you" but ares gona show his hand fastest

[glossy slate]

Although I do want to have a final punch up with Ares

[turbid needle]

I mean there are doubts within the game they place about the Olympians intentions with you being "good" in the first place

[grand patrol]

OH THEY SKETCHY AS HELLLL

[analog crystal]

Olympians are messssed in the head

[glossy slate]

Rule 1 of Greek mythology: The gods are all insane

[turbid needle]

maybe its some collaborative effort? or maybe each god has their own intentions with Zagreus

[analog crystal]

Maybe it could be like a choice

[grand patrol]

aphrodite imo is going to be "on your side" to the very end and then pull the worst punch

[analog crystal]

Quite often you get boons from 3-4 gods a game

The other gods might fight you that didn't give you boons

[drifting hemlock]

Rule 1 of greek Mythology: YOU DONT TALK ABOUT GREEK MYTHOLOGY!

[tulip timber]

Rule 2, possibly related to Rule 1: All the gods are related and are each other's sister-aunt-father-brother.

[turbid needle]

only god i cant see having any bad intentions is artemis

[analog crystal]

@grand patrol Aphrodite is 100% gonna snake you

[glossy slate]

Yeah Artemis was always chill

[pastel jolt]

guys can we have a single discussion about the gods without someone pointing out the incest

[analog crystal]

Zeus and Hera are married

And siblings

[turbid needle]

[grand patrol]

no, please.

[turbid needle]

None of that

[pastel jolt]

no i don't.

[glossy slate]

Several people are typing

[analog crystal]

https://gyazo.com/0f985052bd9ff71180cebaf564f89127

A family tree should never have this many connecting lines

[turbid needle]

yall we get it

[tulip timber]

I mean, Athena wasn't really born. Didn't she come out of Zeus's head after it was hit with an axe?

[drifting hemlock]

Imagine if zag got like a red tattoo ish thing on his face and like... got bald and then y'know killed a lot of the gods and then we could get a Hades 2 where he kills the sisters of fate and maybe in the third installment kills the rest of the gods and all the titans?

[turbid needle]

Either way this convo is veering away from gameplay

[glossy slate]

None of that

[turbid needle]

so we should probably take it elsewhere

[tulip timber]

Sorry. BOSS RUSH!

[analog crystal]

SO HOW ABOUT FIGHTING THE OLYMPIAN GODS HAHAAH

[drifting hemlock]

Boss rush would be dope..

[turbid needle]

We just need more bosses first

😅

[tulip timber]

Just 12 Hydras.

[drifting hemlock]

No! Boss rush with 2 bosses!

[analog crystal]

12 hydras where final phase has 72 spawned hydra heads

[glossy slate]

Imagine you get to fight Zeus or something

[tulip timber]

Everything is lava and bones.

[glossy slate]

But his hp hits 50% and then Ares just runs in and slide tackles you

[analog crystal]

I'm kinda annoyed that deflecting the spawner balls doesn't make them on your side

[turbid needle]

There's definetly more to the olympians than then just trying to help you

[drifting hemlock]

I hope they buff the current Hydra, the main head is way too passive once the smaller ones spawn

[turbid needle]

but thats a discussion better suited for #h1-story-discussion

[analog crystal]

I think for a 2nd floor boss it's fine

[glossy slate]

Lizzy pls no

[grand patrol]

u switch the hydra to your side and it goes oh pardon me bye!!

[glossy slate]

I don’t want 6 heads AND a bullet hell

[analog crystal]

I would like a consecutive beating count just to add another challenge or w/e

[drifting hemlock]

And i think meg shouldnt have destructible projectiles, its supposed to be a bullet hell, not a cakewalk

[glossy slate]

First boss

[analog crystal]

The floor circles you cant destroy but they're easy to dodge

[glossy slate]

Glaring weaknesses

[drifting hemlock]

The bullet hell is easily dodged by walking, having them being destructible is making it too trivial if you ask me

I know its the first and second boss but imo it's too easy

[grand patrol]

idk i think the boss fights are both plenty hard lol

[analog crystal]

@grand patrol I mean Zag does have a line about the hydra going back into the lava and no one gets hurt 👀

[grand patrol]

THATD BE AWFULLY NICE OF IT TBH

CANT WE TALK THIS OUT

[analog crystal]

Oh sorry to bother you good sir, I'll be on my way

#HydraForHouseOfHadesNPC

[tulip timber]

The heads have to vote.

[analog crystal]

Turns into a dating sim

[glossy slate]

After a point you just glare at the hydra and it just knows better

[tulip timber]

You feed it keys until it gives up.

[grand patrol]

a random roll, 0/6-5/6 heads affects the difficulty, if 6/6 heads agree to leave it just goes

[analog crystal]

Does the Hydra have 7 heads, or 13

[tulip timber]

13 I guess, since you destroy them in each phase. They don't just sink back in to get their buddies.

[drifting hemlock]

Kinda not true, since you technically never kill it, it has the ability to spawn heads at will

[analog crystal]

Maybe the smaller heads have the ability that once cut they respawn 2 as it canonically is

But then the last phase should have 8 I guess

I would love for as a later boss you fight the hydra with the heads on it's body

[tulip timber]

Quiet, satan.

[drifting hemlock]

What about a smaller hydra head, taking matters into it's own hands and spawning main hydra heads!

[analog crystal]

Ogod

[drifting hemlock]

Dan can't use the satan thing on me now! hah!

[analog crystal]

Pretty much guaranteed stunlock from pink projectiles

forever

[tulip timber]

I hope Heracles is the Elysian Fields boss.

[drifting hemlock]

Well since the smaller heads dont have the ability to go invulnerable and they only have 1200 hp you'd just need to nuke it 😄

[hushed vector]

What does "weak" do?

[analog crystal]

yeah but you just said spawning main hydra heads

@hushed vector enemies do 50% less damage

[hushed vector]

O tite

Ty

[analog crystal]

(and you in double boon rooms where you don't pick aphro)

np! ^__^

Also @drifting hemlock how'd you work out how much HP they have? Did you whittle them down counting the numbers?

[drifting hemlock]

I had a True shot build dealing a little more than 300 a shot and a bit over 600 on crits, took 4 hits when not critting, 2 when critting... It just made sense that the devs would use a flat number

My guess is 1200 or maybe 1250

[analog crystal]

Ooo fair enough, I would love to know how much Meg has cus some runs she is such a grind

Ty!

[drifting hemlock]

It's an educated guess but nothing confirmed 😄

Hmm I can try if i get a high dmg build, I

I'd rather count fewer high numbers than a lot of small numbers 😄

[analog crystal]

I should stop being so lazy and try that too 😂 I think I usually have an attack that deals about 200 by that time so it shouldn't take tootoo long!

[tulip timber]

Feel like it would be hard to count with dash / backstab mirror buffs.

[drifting hemlock]

Time to count!

oh btw anyone has a fix for the game sound re-adjusting to 100% whenever you open the game and again when you open your save file?

[analog crystal]

That sounds horrible

I used to play CSGO and I would take off my headphones before it loaded up cus I knew it'd blast me

[turbid needle]

@drifting hemlock please refrain from making any kind of sexual jokes in here, this server is meant to be a safe space for all kinds of players, so let’s not go there. thank you!

[analog crystal]

Lizzy's a bit too kinky for a PG server lmao

[drifting hemlock]

Thats why I deleted it shortly after, sorry, when i delete something doesn't it get deleted from others in here???

[turbid needle]

it is gone yes though we have it in the logs, we’d rather you not make such jokes at all

[grand patrol]

it shouldnt have been posted to begin with
also in general yes all deletions are logged !

[drifting hemlock]

I'm sorry 😃

[turbid needle]

it’s fine, just be careful next time!

[long herald]

does the black shawl actually help with anything ?

[tulip timber]

Doing no-relic runs.

[analog crystal]

@long herald Not really but it's a known issue that it's too late

Look forward to the major update 😉

[tulip timber]

But seriously, not really. I tried it a few times, didn't notice anything. Maybe it has an effect on the bull-rush shield charge. I heard today for the first time there's a cap on how many enemies you can charge through.

[analog crystal]

Dan you should try fresh save runs, they're a lotta fun

[drifting hemlock]

Before i endeavour on my journey to map how much health each enemy in this game has, have anyone already done this?

[analog crystal]

I'm playing now, happy to help!

[tulip timber]

@drifting hemlock You may want to wait until after the 15th.

[analog crystal]

If you give me a list of some enemies I can go find it out now