made me laugh so hard when I read it the first time
#h1-builds-and-combat
manic goblet
pastel jolt
i like when you get the room that has the two gates in the bottom of the screen where you can just. sit in one of the corners.
glossy slate
as it is they appear behind the skullomat sprite and just launch at you with no way to see the windup
pastel jolt
and it completely breaks the pathing on whatever spawns.
glossy slate
sit down there with a bow and start skeet shooting
forest marsh
Yeah, I'd like it if there was some spawning animation on the Skullomat-spawned numbskulls
brisk cove
numbskulls make me scared af to use the bow because im new to it basically
glossy slate
I think there's a bit of rustling in the stack but it looks just like the hitstun animation
tender zephyr
They die to a base bow Power Shot
forest marsh
Numbskulls are a lot easier now than they used to be when using bow because of the native piercing that was patched in
tender zephyr
Just need to get used to the timing and adjust your aim
Native Piercing?
For bows?
glossy slate
bow used to stop after one enemy
forest marsh
The arrows pass through enemies by default now instead of stopping
tender zephyr
...wow
lost rose
Yeah
tender zephyr
That would have been awful
forest marsh
It was
lost rose
It Was
glossy slate
Dark times
forest marsh
Honestly, the native piercing is probably too strong now though ๐
tender zephyr
It would be unusable in Asphodel due to Voidstones
lost rose
all the people who've been here for the whole ea period so far just stare off into the distance
glossy slate
bow wouldn't pierce, shield had built in deflection but would sometimes just kill you
tender zephyr
Wait, what other horrible things were patched?
lost rose
hey remember when shield had native deflect
that was great.
enemies would just run themselves down against your shield
tender zephyr
Is native really the right word? Wouldn't inherent be better?
lost rose
you could stand in a corner and do like nothing
hey hey hey the shield only killed you after they updated the ares curse damage that one time
Before that it was fiiiine
glossy slate
if you had the Ares buff on your special the shield would sometimes damage you when it returned
tender zephyr
Ares was a traitor all along
lost rose
god. shieldbug
manic goblet
shieldbug 
forest marsh
Native is the terminology used in the patch notes, so I'm just running with how the devs refer to it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
glossy slate
it had a hammer upgrade that made deflections deal 5x damage, it was nuts
forest marsh
Inherent works fine too though
tender zephyr
Fair
tender zephyr
What font did you use?
pastel jolt
alegreya sans
brisk cove
i remember that message really far in the hades chat
like the idea hypnos had like 4th wall breaking responses sometimes
forest marsh
I think he does at some point, doesn't he? Or maybe my memory is just confusing things
tender zephyr
Oh yes, one thing I wanted to mention about the Hydra fight was that it really became hard to follow your own movements once it got really hectic
I lost Zag several times and was just rushing about
forest marsh
Yeah, that's common feedback on Hydra fight. You do get used to it though
glossy slate
yeah that's a common problem
forest marsh
The most important thing is to not spam dash, but dash with intention (good advice in general for all of Hades gameplay)
brisk cove
i felt that too, out of all the rooms something about the hydra fight made my dashes a bit off
good advice man
tender zephyr
I know. It was panic dashing.
Because I needed to see the green from the Hunter's Dash to spot Zag.
lost rose
ways to fake hades dialogue:
-the sensible sparrow method: photoshop template using openly available font data
-the complicated venhediss method: edit NPCData.lua, boot up the game and take a screencap
pastel jolt
i mean, valid
tender zephyr
My game did not want to let me take a screenshot
pastel jolt
it's the depression, lad is still the Funniest Thing
lost rose
I Typed That Into A Real Script File
tender zephyr
I tried after I survived on 1 hp for the second time on the last run, but it didn't want to cooperate.
forest marsh
Screenshots are problematic if you're using printscreen
Unless you're in windowed mode, apparently
lost rose
Yeah, F10 is the best way to screencap, or use an outside program
tender zephyr
How's everyone else getting their screenshots ?
lost rose
F10 is the game's built in bug reporter
glossy slate
windowed mode, and then Gyazo to snip a section and convert into a sharable link
lost rose
It flashes a screen so that's not greeeaaat? but it does save screencaps, so
cedar musk
prt scr?
forest marsh
I use Snipping Tool and imgur, but basically the same as the gud Doc
forest marsh
Printscreen won't work properly in fullscreen mode is the problem (or so I gather, I haven't done it myself - lots of reports on it though)
cedar musk
it works for me as long as you put it into paint first
glossy slate
usually if I take a screenshot with printscreen it captures some arbitrary image instead of what's actually onscreen
like hitting the button in the middle hallway between Tartarus and Asphodel, and getting a picture of the Meg fight for some reason
errant narwhal
windowed mode solved that for me, i screenshot with printscreen+windows key
rough condor
Just use the feedback button and don't send it. I think the screenshot is still saved in your folder
Or am I wrong?
forest marsh
That's right
rough condor
But windowed and gyazo is faster if you use it
rough condor
The teal screen is always killing me when I accidently click it.
forest marsh
Yeah, not pausing when returning from the report screen is kind of a pain when pressing bug report if you're mid-fight
rough condor
I'm m/KB masterrace and my mouse has somehow a keybind for it 
tawdry sleet
yayyyyyyyyyyy my first shield run finished
forest marsh
Congrats!
cedar musk
nice job!!
also sorry this is unrelated but does anyone have any advice for fighting meg w/ a world splitter sword run? bc there doesnt seem to be a lot i can do abt her like, big attack where she fires the projectiles everywhere
ivory dragon
wait for meg to start a charge
rough condor
Run away.
ivory dragon
calmly sidestep
then get 3-4 hits in and dash out, repeat
if she keeps chasing you, let her catch up and then dash out to avoid aoe
rough condor
After cash back stab her. World Splitter is super good in her dash phase
cedar musk
i mean. yeah but like that doesnt rly help me when shes. shooting projectiles everywhere
pure kestrel
you just have to dodge uless shes low enough for you to tank the dmg and smash
rough condor
The arrows also don't get to the complete other side if you can't handle the rotation yet
ivory dragon
thats true as well
forest marsh
They have a pretty long reach, but if you're a bit off-screen from 
then her projectiles die out
pure kestrel
It should be fairly easy to dodge the missiles unless there are tons of adds out
rough condor
And you can also destroy the arrows with normal attack
ivory dragon
for more advanced tips you may or may not be ready for: she's often vulnerable when casting pink aoe circles on the ground or running to the top center of the stage
but master the basics first
cedar musk
mhm i noticed
i mean like im. ok against her and ive beaten her before i just didnt rly know what to do w/ that specific like weapon setup ig
forest marsh
You can usually get a good hit or two in between the AOE summons
ivory dragon
yeah the world splitter removes reliable capability of just spam attacking the knives, if thats what you were used to
pure kestrel
Does anyone know if the Ocean's Bounty always gives increased max HP from centaur hearts or if thats an intended interraction?
pastel jolt
intended
pastel jolt
i mean it'd be pretty terible if you didn't get extra health from them
ivory dragon
i hope you plan to share with the rest of us @pure kestrel ๐
pure kestrel
From reading it I assumed it was from healing effects, not max HP
Well I didn't have much spare when the hydra died to be honest lol
ivory dragon
i always worry when i get more than 100 health, because it usually means im running low on damage which makes fights longer
forest marsh
75-100 is kind of my target for HP most runs
ivory dragon
same actually
forest marsh
50 feels a bit too unforgiving
pure kestrel
Already had shield with Ares boon on special 
Dmg was not a problem
ivory dragon
75-100 health buys me the ability to be lazy in a few key areas without having to pay massive amounts of attention to the boat room
nice feeling ๐
also @pure kestrel you get my approval. I'm one of the few people around here that like ares shield
though i usually get it on attack, i still count it
pure kestrel
Oh dear, well its one of my favourites but I'm a noob so probably shouldn't listen to me ๐
ivory dragon
nah if its fun and reliable for you thats all that matters
my friend that got into the game at the same time as me refuses to use bow, even with how powerful it is. i think his one bow clear ended up just being a cast clear instead haha
forest marsh
There are no right and wrong builds, it's all about what works for you as a player. That said, some are definitely more effective than others 
pure kestrel
well I came here mostly to learn so I hope to find that out ๐
cedar musk
whats the consensus on like. spear throwing builds
pure kestrel
btw probably stupid question - what does the white dot/circle mean on a door?
ivory dragon
awesome, well for the most part everyone here loves chatting and talking shop!
forest marsh
It indicates a boss/challenge room
It's a white skull, if you couldn't tell
I assume that's what you're asking about
ivory dragon
here's a question for you @pure kestrel - any experience in roguelites previously or is this your first jump into the genre?
forest marsh
I'm not sure if I've ever seen one just as a white dot 
pure kestrel
Uhhh, well I've played a ton of slay the spire
but its a fairly different kettle of fish ๐
forest marsh
@cedar musk There is at least one person who loves Spear special, but I can't recall who. Maybe UNOvven? Maybe Frosthaven?
ivory dragon
I like it as long as it doesn't have the explosive aoe
feels more skill-based than other options since you have to manage so many different things
forest marsh
I almost exclusively play spear with the spin-dash strategy
forest marsh
I should try it with just regular attacks/special sometime for giggles
ivory dragon
the range upgrade feels pretty good just for a change of pace
though rip left mouse button on mkb
forest marsh
I also like spin-dash because I can build it almost exactly the same as crit bow, with equally devastating effectiveness
ivory dragon
and lets be honest, its pretty satisfying to get that dash helicopter backstab on an entire room
forest marsh
Mmmmmmm, delicious
pure kestrel
Is there somewhere I can post a ss of what I mean with the white dot? ๐
pastel jolt
upload it somewhere like imgur and link it
ivory dragon
this is why i love sharex
pure kestrel
ivory dragon
huh i dont recall ever seeing that
forest marsh
That's just part of the key, isn't it
cedar musk
thats part of the key right
ivory dragon
key should have a hollow ring i thought?
maybe im going crazy, but i do not remember a white dot
lost rose
it's a reflection off the glass orb isn't it??
forest marsh
I think ven has it
ivory dragon
its crazy how much play time we've had and this is a question. goes to show what we focus and dont focus on
lol
glossy slate
anyone have those runs where they just dump an enormous amount of boons on you and very little else?
forest marsh
Yup
tawdry sleet
@ivory dragon have you completed your codex?
ivory dragon
yeah
ivory dragon
aside from conversations
tawdry sleet
oh I was about to say
forest marsh
Good lord, Doc
tawdry sleet
they're all on like 80-100 convo's for me still ๐
glossy slate
literally nothing but Athena/Artemis up to the top of my screen
ivory dragon
"talk to x a billion and a half more times" > yeah i can wait
glossy slate
2 trials in a row
ivory dragon
you are going to need a bigger monitor to hold all those lol
i feel like that's ripe for meme material with the "how can i carry all these" image
forest marsh
I wonder if anyone has had boons run off of the screen yet...
glossy slate
Imma go bludgeon the hydra, back in a sec
tawdry sleet
I think the most boons I've had in a run is 11
forest marsh
This will probably be a bigger problem when extra areas are added, too
cedar musk
feedback: the games a bit too big, they should leave more room for the boon list
ivory dragon
hahaha
cedar musk
im talking like. half the screen dedicated to boons babey
ivory dragon
at least the descriptions are on smart hide
imagine if they werent
speaking of ares shield runs https://i.imgur.com/IT2ztAu.png
cold cave
yeah the white dot is just shine on the glass
tawdry sleet
best attack boon for spear? Athena?
ivory dragon
yeah confirmed https://i.imgur.com/QHUukdN.png
how have i never noticed that shine
what else have i been missing now this is going to drive me insane
forest marsh
Athena is certainly highest +dmg%
ivory dragon
now im running through looking at literally all the details
glossy slate
athena is biggest damage, with poseidon a close second
athena and a spin attack will make the witches hjilariously easy though
tawdry sleet
just noticed there's a major delay on the rendering of the game becoming crisp again, after you dash
ivory dragon
proof you should use the nintendo power glove to play https://i.imgur.com/M1NMOEP.png
man so much ive missed
ivory dragon
wait what do you mean by becoming crisp again? does it blur for you?
tawdry sleet
clear a room
ivory dragon
done
tawdry sleet
dash and pay close attention to the crispness of things
then find somewhere that there's a foreground piece of scenery
and notice how the "floor" moves slightly after a dash, but the foreground doesn't
olive abyss
I died because i opened a boon while standing in lava >_<
ivory dragon
hmmm not seeing it, maybe its just the room im in
cedar musk
my first time getting to asphodel i died bc i kept messing up the dashes across the lava and getting stuck in it fjkldsfds
cold cave
i couldnt see it in meg's room but i went to the hall right after and it was super apparent
cedar musk
i had two death defies too ๐
ivory dragon
ahhhh i recall my first time in asphodel. bombs, charging skeletons, and lava.
was the fastest way back to my room tbh
hard holly
Well, you managed to defy death, not expectations
First time I got to Asphodel I died on the murderboat
tawdry sleet
@ivory dragon https://streamable.com/3r25r
easiest thing to tell is probably the floor tiles
๐ค
ivory dragon
huh i did encounter another strange visual glitch though in trying to find that one lol
before: https://i.imgur.com/Sh8YXaB.png
after: https://i.imgur.com/BsUJge8.png
shield charge in this position seems to be deleting the door frame. must be something with the hitbox being detected as behind it for a single frame, causing it to vanish to not obstruct vision
so thats cool
shield op: literally breaks doors ๐
cold cave
looks like the door frame is still there, it just moves behind other objects?
like the wall to the left of and behind it move forward
forest marsh
Yeah, it just gets shifted backward
cold cave
very interesting
tawdry sleet
You know on double boon rooms where you have to pick a side... I always read the text that pops up as
"Poseidon's crew is displeased"
and I'm all like... oh snap there's gonna be a dance battle or something 
ivory dragon
nice!
tawdry sleet
Just got my first ever Legendary that I can think of 
cold cave
damn nice!
tawdry sleet
double knock back effect with poseidon
kinda lame really since I've only got that on my spear special 
forest marsh
I can never get excited about knockback unless I'm just messing around. Not having an effect on bosses kinda puts a damper on it
ivory dragon
imagine the pingpong of hydra heads if knockback worked
forest marsh
It would be nice if it had an alternate effect, like a temporary stun instead of knockback for enemies that are otherwise unaffected
ivory dragon
you know what would be awesome? if knockback still worked on invuln enemies ๐ค
forest marsh
For some reason I thought it did... I'll have to play closer attention
I mean boon knockback though, not native knockback
ivory dragon
im recalling a Poseidon shield run on death boat. i may want to double check but i think i brought it up mid fight
glossy slate
yeah invuln makes them immune to knockback
ivory dragon
but i could be blind like i was with the room ball shine
glossy slate
not hitstun though
cold cave
im actually starting to notice a lot of things shifting to the wrong layer when im attacking
like one of those breakable pillars hid behind a wall when i hit it with my spear's special
forest marsh
I know the dev team reads the feedback, but I wonder how much of the discussions we have here get read too ๐
cold cave
and zag is appearing on top of objects hes behind when im attacking
forest marsh
For graphical glitches I know they've requested screenshots of each iteration, and not just a general bug report about it so that they can look at the exact areas causing problems
ivory dragon
aha, good thing i snapped those earlier then
hollow pilot
Am I crazy, but where do I got past the weapon room to start a new run?
forest marsh
The purple window to the bottom right of Skelly
ivory dragon
^
i guess it suffers from the whole isometric bottom corner being a blind spot thing
tawdry sleet
my game has fully given up on excuses for my dying after Hydra ๐
It used to have elaborate stories now it's just... you dead idk how get over it
hollow pilot
Yeah, can't beilive I miss stuff like this sometimes.
ivory dragon
it wouldnt shock me if a few people missed it
that corner is notorious in all isometric style games
ivory dragon
good luck @hollow pilot ! let us know how it goes
hollow pilot
Thanks. wish me luck
forest marsh
Good luck!
ivory dragon
May the gods smile upon you!
hmm maybe a good solution for the door thing is adding arrow indicators pointing to standard door exits in the weapon room and in maps now that i think about it
forest marsh
That kind of ties into the feedback request for indicators to interactables in the game, too
forest marsh
Nice! Now to add Zeus attack boon to it
tawdry sleet
ah I just grabbed Athena
ivory dragon
you know what that means right
tawdry sleet
ahh zeus' is probably crazy with the lightning bounces I guess?
forest marsh
Yup
tawdry sleet
question: if you go into a blood gate
what determines the room you go into when you exit?
because I don't think it's ever been one of the ones seen on my door choices
never understood how that worked
glossy slate
skips the next room and then places you in a random one after that
manic goblet
worn dawn
I hope the update makes blood gates more worthwhile
ivory dragon
that would be nice
ivory dragon
i still skip treasure chests too, even after learning they can give darkness ๐ฆ
glossy slate
the chests are pretty worth as they are
cold cave
hmm
glossy slate
guaranteed 75+ gold usually means lots of loot for my man Charon
worn dawn
Since they cost more life than a normal room, for normal room reward
ivory dragon
i cant find a way to justify the chests
im never low enough on gold to make them matter
forest marsh
I like chests because they're optional and they reward skilled players (or lucky boons)
ivory dragon
so its just a time sink for me
cold cave
yeah same
glossy slate
going after every chest for me means I can buy whatever I need from the wells, as well as whatever I need from the shops I wander into
manic goblet
Getting 200+ Gold for Charon ready is where it's at
hard holly
Well you cant have too many good chests
And with Poseidon and Zag being in the game, well
worn dawn
Gotta get that delicious jerky
ivory dragon
like, ill take the time i save by not doing it over a random extra heal at the shop
glossy slate
the jerky really helps you take a bite out of the enemies
ivory dragon
jerky is enough to make me get the double duration keepsake
worn dawn
I always start with Dusa keepsake then swap to Charon keepsake after Meg
glossy slate
It's how you get the truly colossal damage
forest marsh
You gotta get your eye on the prize when it comes to the jerky
glossy slate
ivory dragon
dont worry i dont have any beef with this game you play
hard holly
Whats the joke?
Either Im missing something or its not funny
Which wouldnt be a surprise
cold cave
it may be both ๐ค
forest marsh
Eh, their just being jerks 
cold cave
haha
ivory dragon
wight takes the lead with 3 points
forest marsh
Eye'd explain it, but that would ruin the fun
ivory dragon
if this were a video game, you'd be at a full limit breaker atm
forest marsh
Eventually my material will dry up
ivory dragon
i feel like uno is probably back there scheming
glossy slate
it's getting tough to come up with new material
hard holly
Oh no I was just tabbed out
glossy slate
we chewed through all the good ones already
forest marsh
This line of puns might be flayed out already
hard holly
There is always something new you can whip up
glossy slate
I don't know, the pickings seem kind of lean to me
dusky drum
should i save keys for spear(my main weapon) or more upgrades
hard holly
Well, its easier when youve got beef with someone
glossy slate
I suggest unlocking all the weapons first, then mirror
forest marsh
Now we're reusing lines, this is no good
hard holly
Well, recycling is important, yknow
forest marsh
But for Akai, as the gud Doc says, I'd recommend unlocking weapons first
hard holly
Speaking of which, I should go green
glossy slate
you should have kept your eye on us
hard holly
Like this
ivory dragon
everyone always leaves the colorless crew ๐ฆ
more room for me to stretch my legs out i guess
hard holly
.... I was going to make that joke
forest marsh
Oh, are role-less names black in non-Dark Mode?
hard holly
I was going to say "Ill make like AC/DC, gimme a sec"
forest marsh
Also, why are you using Light Mode (if applicable)
glossy slate
Light mode
hard holly
Bloody jokestealer
ivory dragon
who actually makes light mode
hard holly
Light Mode is superior
Dark mode hurts your eyes considerably more than light mode does
ivory dragon
If I do job interviews, im going to ask two questions:
- Who uses light mode on discord
- Who paid for winrar past the trial
hard holly
Its something you especially know if youve been coding for a while given the prevalence of dark mode IDEs
ivory dragon
I'm a 25+ year software engineer. Dark or bust.
tawdry sleet
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
forest marsh
I find Discord's dark mode to be much easier on my eyes than light mode
tawdry sleet
First sword kill lesssgooooooooooooooo
forest marsh
There are some bad dark modes (I don't like Twitter's) but this one is nice
glossy slate
hey I sit in pure darkness when I use my computer, I prefer having my corneas intact
tawdry sleet
I've got at least 1 with each weapon in the OG build, that's all I wanted 
glossy slate
yee
ivory dragon
we're bad people
glossy slate
tangents are powerful
hard holly
Noone is going to go to Off-topic to read it
ivory dragon
at least @tawdry sleet doin good
hard holly
So Ill just say that science has proven dark mode to put more strain on the eyes and as a result, be worse for the eyes, by a considerable margin
tawdry sleet
I definitely had enough boons for this run
https://i.imgur.com/ops3KQm.png
forest marsh
congrats on your Sword kill, BraXzy
tawdry sleet
Sorry was playing Pokemon GO and watching Twitch Plays Pokemon at the same time as my run because I'm a gen Z kinda guy
it must've influenced ๐
ivory dragon
bahaha
dusky drum
nice
hollow pilot
Update, Played for about 90 minutes. 5 runs, 2 i finished 9 rooms, once with shield other with bow. favorite is shield. Love the sense of humor this game has over other SGG.
brisk cove
just waiting for dark mode google lol
manic goblet
@olive abyss the idea is nice but it works out with barely any of the hammer upgrades
e.g. how would you upgrade triple shot? quadruple shot? that would be so busted 
forest marsh
Hammer upgrades in general are already extremely potent
olive abyss
hmm
i mean i just got 4 pommegranates in a row but i only have one boon to choose from so idk :/
forest marsh
There's room to tweak/outright change some of the hammer upgrades, but overall I think boosting any of them would be game breaking
manic goblet
I think that has an incredibly low chance of happening
and balancing for low% rng isn't exactly something you'd want ๐ค
cold cave
yeah. hammer upgrades really dont need boosts in power
manic goblet
sometimes RNG should just be able to screw you over a bit
forest marsh
That's the nature of roguelikes/lites after all
cold cave
yeah
manic goblet
because on the other spectrum you get crazy artemis triple shot runs
forest marsh
Or just scroll up a bit for people's insane-number-of-boon runs
manic goblet
or that
ivory dragon
the one boon to rule them all perhaps
olive abyss
i mean it's ok but it's forcing me to do a shield throw run ://
in ashpodeus that'sn ot exellent
cold cave
and ive just lost 2 death defies from a survival room
luckily i had 5 but im definitely not going to make it far this time
ivory dragon
unless you have removed your ability to pushback, you can still attack just fine with it
unless you just prefer throwing the shield
olive abyss
oh yeah but i wanna commit to shield throws
just for funsies
only using normal attacks to push people in lava
hybrid kestrel
i beat meg with mainly shield throws
got my butt kicked in the next zone tho, no walls to send my shield back to me
cold cave
i really didnt expect zeus's upgrade for the normal spear attack to be so good though
dusky drum
oo, beat meg by run 4
dusky drum
i have played about 30 runs on my brothers computer tho
cold cave
ah
dusky drum
all i had was lvl 2 artimes dash, lvl 2 epic curse of agony, 2 dashes, 2 centaur hearts, no death defys
i was doing about 100 per hit
cold cave
oo i got lightning strike again
olive abyss
i just lost four (4!) death defies in the same room, all because of those kamikaze triple bomb
pallid laurel
Keep moving
dreamy comet
Is it in #h1-tech-support that you report bugs?
tacit flax
Press F10 in game to report bugs
dreamy comet
Ah ok! Thanks!
tacit flax
No prob!
olive abyss
what do you do with your ambroise once you've gifted everyone?
dusky drum
my god im on run 4 and am at hydra with 2 Ares and 2 artimes buffs and one hammer with a bought death defy
olive abyss
i've got all the gifts :/
dusky drum
if you use them you get relationship up
dreamy comet
^
dusky drum
just dialogue at the moment but if its high enough on orpheus they sing at one point
dreamy comet
You will unlock more conversations and info about the npcs
hard holly
Y'know, dont say s-swears
pastel jolt
swears bad
cedar musk
jerma good
dusky drum
oh hecc, im on 7 head with 20 hp and no death defys
cold cave
oof
dusky drum
and my computer cant run much
cold cave
good luck man
dreamy comet
Question... Am I able to change my role at all? Since I joined quite many, but would love to be able to change my color?
dusky drum
i just glitched zag
dreamy comet
Yes, and I am in many roles
dusky drum
hes sliding around with spear out
glossy slate
I am...not a smart man
dreamy comet
But I don't have a choice as to which to show with it's color
dreamy comet
I don't want to remove the roles tho
I just wanna display the Pyre color at my username
errant narwhal
Thereโs no way then, thatโs the order of them
cold cave
how do i kill meg with the sword? im struggling to land hits without getting hurt
cold cave
i do have quick slash
forest marsh
Depends on your build, but it's the same general advice โ learn her patterns, hit her after you sidestep her dashes, avoid the projectiles
Or attack through the projectiles if you can hit fast enough
dusky drum
athena can help with the projectiles
cold cave
yeah
forest marsh
If you're getting hurt while trying to get hits in, it probably means you're being greedy with the attacks
Watch her animations so you get an idea of how long you have to attack after she performs a move
cold cave
yeah
ive beaten her multiple times, just struggling with the sword
i was trying to dash in, hit once, dash out, but i still kept getting hurt
forest marsh
Sidestep her dash close enough that you don't have to dash towards, and you can get several safe hits in with the sword
cold cave
alright
forest marsh
A lot of this changes depending on your boons, of course
Most attacks can be avoided just by walking or with a single dash
As long as you're watching what she's doing
glossy slate
her biggest opening is the few seconds right after she dashes, she's open to backstabs and several hits
if you're having trouble landing hits on the other phases, then just take it slow and focus on dodging
cold cave
got it
clever niche
Had to reload my computer and apparently Hades doesn't have cloud saves like Transistor and Bastion did.
worn dawn
Epic launcher doesnโt support them, no
clever niche
Crap.
I wonder if I can get a save file from anyone so I don't have to regrind 3k darkness.
glossy slate
want mine?
clever niche
Sure, much appreciated.
forest marsh
The gud Doc saves the day
glossy slate
๐
forest marsh
This is just the start of Discord Plays: Hades, isn't it?
worn dawn
With our powers combined
worn dawn
Jk itโs easy enough to mess with the code to just get more darkness anyway
raven thistle
So whats everyones thoughts one the weapon tier list? I find the spear is probably the best if you get artemis's dash (that dash is so strong on spear and bow). The shield is the best early game weapon but the special is kinda bad once you leave the first section imo. The sword feels strong but the specials animation leaves you open to so many attacks which makes it hard to use. As for the bow i just cant seem to use it without the rapid fire bonus.
First place = Spear
Second place = Shield
Third place = Sword
Fourth place = Bow
tawdry sleet
Bow -> Spear -> Shield -> Sword for me
tender zephyr
Last place: Bow
insert Bender laughing gif.
In all seriousness, Bow is the strongest weapon right now. You're just not using it right. Pick up Hunter's Dash and Triple Shot, and everything dies.
tawdry sleet
I've never even had Triple Shot show up for me and I'd still say Bow
Need to get the right boons and land the perfect shots
raven thistle
The charge on it just feels so long and although its damage its pretty high its much lower than spear from what ive used of it (not much) and the special has a pretty decent animation time on it especially when everyone is armoured
manic goblet
forget special on pretty much any weapon
tender zephyr
The Special is pretty much trash
manic goblet
just look which weapons get the best attack upgrades
tender zephyr
And dashing makes the bow charge faster
manic goblet
and Bow has by far the best one in triple shot
tender zephyr
Which when paired with Hunter's Dash( guaranteed crits after Dash) makes it a monster
raven thistle
Hunters dash as mentioned is super op on pretty much any weapon though. Never seen triple shot so that probably doesnt help though
tender zephyr
There's always going to be some subjectivity as to how good a weapon is to a person personally as everyone has different preferences
For instance, the most honest tier list would be Bow > Shield > Spear > Sword
However, I am atrocious with the Shield, so I would place it last.
raven thistle
Yeah thats fair, which was why i was asking. Interesting that the weapon i would consider worst is considered best. Spear always wins for me with that 973 damage attack on hydra
tender zephyr
whistle
How you get those numbers?
manic goblet
Crit and Spindash
raven thistle
^ yep + backstab and athena
manic goblet
Same with Bow and Triple Shot
tender zephyr
Athena + Artemis so OP
raven thistle
Its pretty consistent to be able to do like 5 hundred with it with most runs though
Id say artemis is by far the most op god
obtuse merlin
you can get a nice extra 40% from earrings as well which makes quite a difference during boss fights since extra lives means you will be fighting a lot below 40 % health
raven thistle
like get hunters dash and clean kill and you basically win the game
tender zephyr
nods head
raven thistle
Earrings are super nice but i can never be bothered switching into them since i always run artemis's arrowhead for that attempts at starting dash
manic goblet
(technically not doubling though, because it uses the baseline value afaik)
tender zephyr
Just switch into them when you leave Tartarus
That's what the Keepsake box is there for
raven thistle
And for it to double every hit would need to be a dash first. Im lazy as mentioned in my post
manic goblet
so mirror dash upgrade plus hunters dash increases your damage by three time,not by four, if I'm correct
obtuse merlin
mirror upgrade does not effect spin dash sadly
raven thistle
Mirror dash upgrade is so finicky for me though. It works like 1/3 of the time even if you immediately attack after a dash
raven thistle
have you given artemis the ambrosia?
manic goblet
hmmm, she hasn't shown up for me anywhere yet
then again, I only have few completions
tender zephyr
Give Artemis all the ambrosia
raven thistle
You give the gods ambrosia before you get a boon from them
manic goblet
oh
obtuse merlin
I have seen mirror + dmg after dash work on basic x attacks but get consistent + 0% on spin dash with spear
manic goblet
why... didn't I think of that
raven thistle
^
feels bad. The god boons are super good to. A better boon from that god and the first boon you encounter will be from that god
obtuse merlin
its not the most intuitive, I missed it for a while too the ambrosia gods thing
manic goblet
I'll test again once I get home, but I'm certain I just charge up spin and dash and it doubles my dmg
obtuse merlin
do, I'd be interested to see your results
raven thistle
Ive never managed it, although if it does work il have to practice my timing
So whats the chance the crit dash will be nerfed and how so? Also whats the most absurd run you have ever had?
manic goblet
triple shot + crit dash, as mentioned above 
maybe crit should just be a 1.5 multiplier, at least for hunters dash
raven thistle
My most absurd would be when i got artemins and Zeus legendays and had zeus on regular attack. So many objects just flying everywhere it was great to watch
manic goblet
it feels so overtuned, basically just skipping the middle phases of Hydra
raven thistle
And yeah that would probably balance it atleast somewhat
Hydra fight needs a change imo. Its so easy to cheese, with the hardest part being when it summons more heads
manic goblet
yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of "difficulty through overwhelming numbers" as well, tbh
raven thistle
Its not even difficult its just its main phase where it summons a load of blades to attack you leaves it open to insane amounts of damage once you realize the walls are a bad idea
lost rose
I wonder how much of the current level design is because SGG is trying to stretch what they have to a "full game" length...
it'll be interesting to see how level design etc changes
and the mobs / enemy waves too
manic goblet
I'm definitely looking forward to the third level
good point as well ven, didn't consider that
as it is, Hydra is our "endboss"
raven thistle
I feel like the zones will be shortened. The amount of boons you get on average is almost enough for a full run so i cant see more than like 35-40 levels ever being in place
manic goblet
there are ways to roll with the current number of rooms
e. g. no more boons appearing, just poms
manic goblet
I very much disagree with that, most of the time, poms are just minor number upgrades, while boons potentially double your damage output
tender zephyr
Poms stack on your upgrades. Their usefulness directly ties into how useful your Boons are.
manic goblet
literally the only boon that gets a major use out of pom is the first level upgrade to hunters dash
obtuse merlin
I strongly disagree
tender zephyr
Every Boon gets better with more upgrades
raven thistle
That is most definitely true. A hunters dash or athena attack is a major boost. But what about casts and specials you never use? what about all the random god boosts that very rarely come into play?
obtuse merlin
I have gotten much more out of my runs now I run with 2 / 3 boons and all poms
tender zephyr
...You haven't used many Boon-empowered Casts have you?
raven thistle
I have but i find them lacking compared to most specials
tender zephyr
Try getting level 4 Zeus Cast and watch it wreck a room
manic goblet
Zeus empowered cast is absolutely crazy
raven thistle
Done it before and although its got good clear it has nothing on tankier enemys
tender zephyr
Or Artemis' Cast has insane damage and can make an entire Cast build
manic goblet
but yeah, special upgrades are sadly very lacking because of how lacking specials are in general
tender zephyr
This
raven thistle
Won the game with an artemis cast build, still far worse that a hunters dash into a athenas spin would be though
manic goblet
but that's mostly because of how overtuned the latter is
I wouldn't compare the strength of builds to that
raven thistle
Thats true, but for casts to work against the tougher enemys you need a rare build to emerge while special and regular attack builds are much easier to make
For casts to be "good" in comparison they need one of the two weapons dedicated to them or a dedicated artemis build
Also commenting on specials, the cruel skewer one for the spear is nasty in terms of damage
manic goblet
Casts have a very nice use in being an opener
200 dmg upfront, without even any upgrades and over really long range is nothing to skoff at
raven thistle
I cant deny that, however due to the stick time and retrieval its hard to see them as viable under most circumstances
manic goblet
I see it more as being complimentary to the rest of our build
raven thistle
An epic artemis cast isnt something you complain about though, although i prefer Poseidon's
manic goblet
I have wouldn't focus so much on making a "cast-only" build work but instead weave the cast in during attack downtime
rough condor
I'm doing a lot of cast hydra kills recently. Athena and poseidon are the only ones I won't do because of reasons. A bad luck cast run is still better than a bad luck sword run tbh
severe orchid
I've found success with bow special builds, doing around 1k dmg with the right upgrades
raven thistle
oops XD
severe orchid
shield and spear specials are pretty meh as main attacks tho
manic goblet
Secret swear word user
raven thistle
I would never use a poseiden cast as a main damage source but its great as a panic button
rough condor
Shield special ares is actually really good
raven thistle
^ this
manic goblet
it's still quite nice as burst, since the rare+ versions still deal major damage
severe orchid
special ares boon is much lower damage and lower increase per upgrade than the attack boon though
I pick the attack version over the special every time
manic goblet
poor Specials
severe orchid
just finished a run with ares attack shield actually
raven thistle
For the shield since its special is hit and run its probably the best boon to get on it tbh.
And yes a rare+ cast is a good damage burst i would still rather a pom going into a clean cut or athena normal attack
severe orchid
100% of my dmg was just ares attack and zeus charge
manic goblet
ares attack shield was my first successful run actually
severe orchid
*dash
raven thistle
I can relate my last win was a shield ares attack run
manic goblet
Athena normal attack pom is just a 10% upgrade though, isn't it?
manic goblet
I get that so rarely, I thought it upgraded from ~40% to ~50%
raven thistle
No thats aphrodite
severe orchid
wait does athena attack boon have really high scaling or smt?
pastel jolt
i can't remember how high i managed to get tempest strike one time bc i kept getting poms
severe orchid
thought it was all about the deflect
pastel jolt
but it was pretty silly
raven thistle
20% per pom and its base is like 50% on a normal version which goes to like 89% on an epic
severe orchid
damnยจ
manic goblet
the deflect is actually the minor part
raven thistle
deflect is a pretty nice bonus but it rarely does something major unless your trying to use it
severe orchid
Ive been taking artemis/ares almost exclusively on attacks if I can help it
didnt know it had such good scaling
raven thistle
Those are like the worst attack ones to take
manic goblet
deflect on cast is actually quite silly
raven thistle
^
manic goblet
just throw it in front of any enemy and watch them hit themselves
severe orchid
I've basically only been taking athena on shield cus I charge all day and it feels good
time to try her out more
raven thistle
Artemis attack is horrible, the dash does it better as does like 90% of other attack boons. Are's is ok on attack but only if the weapon has low base damage
rough condor
Artemis attack should be 50% crit 20% dmg at lv 1 epic rarity
severe orchid
but the crit dash makes the rest of artemis pretty weird
rough condor
To make it even viable
raven thistle
Thats why you always go artemis dash. Even a basic artemis dash is better then a epic artemis attack
manic goblet
again, that's just because Dash is overtuned xd
50% crit is still a theoretical 50% dmg increase
rough condor
Just think about it. Getting just Artemis attack boon will give you critical strike on your attack. Your base dmg will not increase in anyway anymore but enemy health is going up
severe orchid
well for my special bow build the crit is pretty useful since the dash only applies to attacks
raven thistle
That is true but until its balanced you should never be getting the artemis attack or special attack
severe orchid
and it hits 90% pretty fast
raven thistle
The main problem with artemis crit is that 1 once it hits 100% it doesnt really get better and 2 most other boons give better damage + an additional bonus
severe orchid
double special projectiles with 90%+ crit and crit damage makes it do insane dmg
manic goblet
100% is like 5-6 poms just going into that, why would you want to do that
severe orchid
got it off 2 pom on teh special
raven thistle
I got an epic and then only got poms once ๐ฆ
manic goblet
it's nice because it doesn't need many poms to be good
oh yeah, as Tarcin said, crit dmg is another Boon that appears of picking Artemis Attack
raven thistle
Crit damage doesnt require artemis attack to be picked though, it just shows up once you have enough boons that it cant really hide. That being said you do need some form of crit from her first
severe orchid
last time I got the build up and running it did 18 projectiles with 56 damage each
heavy investement though
raven thistle
The only way i can see picking up artemis crit being worth it is with a large multiplier on crit, and although not hard to get would generally be outclassed by a zeus boon in this case
severe orchid
way easier to get other builds up
manic goblet
all I'm really trying to say here, Numbers say that Artemis Attack isn't exactly worse than other Attack upgrades
raven thistle
every arrow would summon lightning which would cause high damage as it still hits the enemy that created it and its much more reliable than a special crit build
severe orchid
provided you encounter artemis enough times it scales very well
but there are other builds that get up and running off like 2 boons
and a couple upgrades
raven thistle
Artemis attack can be viable, and it is better then aprhodite, however with the dash being so absurd it really is hard to justify it
manic goblet
and all I want atm is for specials to not put me into years of recovery time 
manic goblet
it's the one feedback point I had and I think I've repeated myself too much on this already
tender zephyr
It feels like Specials are meant to be crowd control and to give the players more options, but because they're both so weak and contrast with the main weapons playstyle, they just aren't useful
raven thistle
Special recovery needs to be like halved for it to feel safe on alot the specials. The spears one has good enough recovery unless you cast it melee but they should be able to be canceled early with a dash if need be
Also every weapons main attack has pretty good aoe
tender zephyr
Sword special recovery gives me conniptions and don't even think about throwing your shield away in Asphodel
raven thistle
The only special that actually does aoe well is the swords but that takes half a year to recover from
manic goblet
Spear one feels ok-ish, but considering you could just spin-dash, doesn't make it feel worth it, same for shield
severe orchid
one note on the bow special build is that because of the recovery time it felt horrible for clearing until it started one shotting things, since it doesnt pierce
raven thistle
Yeah :/
tender zephyr
I should actually try a bow special build
manic goblet
sword, as you guys said, is the only one that feels like it has a use as a get-off-me tool
tender zephyr
Just for curiosity sake
severe orchid
like I said, its teeeerrible against multiple enemies
raven thistle
The recovery is only half the problem as armour stops the stun which would normally "kinda balance" the specials
manic goblet
bow special has that one niche use where, if you get deflect for it, it shreds meg and witches
tender zephyr
Sword special is good if you get upgrades
raven thistle
True but the recovery on it is so bad
tender zephyr
I got Athena's on it, and it was amazing
manic goblet
yeah
tender zephyr
Then I got killed because the recovery time was too long
raven thistle
Poseidons is funny af aswell
severe orchid
poseidon is hilarious on the shield
tender zephyr
Ultimate Get Away From Me card eh
severe orchid
makes things fly across the map
manic goblet
poor boneless, when you get Poseidon on shield
tender zephyr
The problem with Poseidon is that knockback doesn't do jack against bosses
raven thistle
Its not good its just so funny to watch them get flung a mile away, especially into lava
tender zephyr
Figures. He's the joking type
raven thistle
Ok but trying to use any special on the boss other than maybe the shield is just a bad decision
tender zephyr
Now, where's Hermes or Diyonsus when you need them?
severe orchid
the thing with poseidon on shield though is when you bring things for a ride on your charge just for them to hit u in the face at teh end of it ๐
raven thistle
The worst build imo is a poseidon on spear special
manic goblet
exactly that, Secret
tender zephyr
hahaha
manic goblet
and it's the biggest reason why I'd never deliberately go for a special build
tender zephyr
I remember using that build paired with explosion spear special
manic goblet
it just doesn't work against bosses
tender zephyr
...It wasn't good
raven thistle
Poseidon lowers your damage or kills you more than he helps most of the time
tender zephyr
It takes away one of the niches of the spear special
raven thistle
Still spearing one of the fat chargers right into your face is pretty funny
tender zephyr
That is, it backstabs on the the return
Without that extra damage, it's just weaker overall
manic goblet
one thing I don't get
raven thistle
100% backstab + cruel skewer make spear special usable
tender zephyr
What upgrade is cruel skewer?
manic goblet
why does dash not increase special dmg?
raven thistle
cruel skewer makes all spear specials crit
tender zephyr
Ah that one
manic goblet
that's THE reason why attack is so much better
raven thistle
serchiot for artemis?
manic goblet
because you get a free 100% dmg bonus off the mirror for dash-attacks
but nothing for specials 
raven thistle
Idk, probably because some absurd specials could do some insane damage if we gave the artemis and mirror damage boosts to them
But looking at attacks that doesnt seem the problem
manic goblet
exactly
Why let us do 1k+ crits with spear/bow attacks but Specials do like 50 tops
raven thistle
Specials were probably thought to be really op but in reality are much weaker than the devs intended
manic goblet
Oh well, we'll see what the future holds for them
I don't wanna keep going on about specials
raven thistle
also a cruel skewer spear can do like 2-3 hundred in total, which although not redeeming it isnt as bad as you think. Its just animation time killing them
A cool addition would be different god boon synergies, potentially weapon exclusive as well
severe orchid
it would be nice to see some weapon exclusive stuff outside the hammers
manic goblet
I'd love some more weapon exclusive stuff
those always feel more fun than "+x% dmg"
raven thistle
2 Certain god boons + a certain weapon = a new ability, or effect would be cool
manic goblet
especially if they create new playstyles
raven thistle
Like athena and aphrodite damage reduction + shields gives you a shield that blocks all damage from a certain angle
manic goblet
I feel like certain gods should just logically give boons to certain weapons
e. g. Artemis something for the bow
Athena for Shield, Poseidon for Spear, Ares for Sword
raven thistle
This is true, although that would be weird as many weapons seem like 2-3 of the characters should give boons to them
manic goblet
All of them have a corresponding weapon in their art as well
except Zeus and Aphrodite
raven thistle
Also Poseidon should bless the spear, but lore wise the sword was Poseidon's old weapon
manic goblet
are the last two weapons a thunderbolt and the weapon of seduction then?
raven thistle
And rather than opening new builds that would limit them as you would exclusively go for the god-weapon boon as it would be quite strong, or just ignore it if it was weak
Although a weapon dedicated primarily to aoe damage would be nice
manic goblet
was just a silly idea, also uses quite a lot of development time, making each god give a boon to a weapon(s)
gief Scythe
raven thistle
More weapon exclusive stuff is definitely needed though even if its just one boon per god that unique. Also this is true. we are in the underworld where is our stereotypical scythe
Aphrodite's scythe of love?
manic goblet
Zeus's Scythe of... Thunder??? 
frosty pier
Welp zeus has his Bling handcrafted frop Heph
manic goblet
Zeus and his Bling
raven thistle
Nah i feel like a zeus themed weapon would have casting as its focus
manic goblet
It was more of a joke xd
raven thistle
so was the scythe XD
manic goblet
and yeah, considering that Zeus has the strongest/most fun cast, probably
raven thistle
I do actually want a full aoe scythe though
like hold it down and you just start spinning around doing small but constant damage
manic goblet
yiss
manic goblet
I need my edgy weapon for the god of sass
raven thistle
He's not even that edgy just the god of talking back to hades
A scythe is def edge though
manic goblet
that's how I meant it
stray radish
scythe
manic goblet
herro
stray radish
i wasn't even lurking and i got summoned, hello xD
raven thistle
We have summoned Risu with the power of scythe
raven thistle
Scythe should be like a 270-360 damage weapon though, as we dont have a weapon thats purely aoe and it would make it unique as all weapons are
manic goblet
Zag in his role as god of talking back is so fitting
stray radish
yes
raven thistle
I love the interactions between the characters as it makes them all feel real and that they have a unique relationship with zag
Miss Dusa is best character tho
stray radish
Dusa is too pure for this (under)world
raven thistle
Great we agree on this
Okay but this is the bounciest and most energetic head ive ever seen
raven thistle
Its not a lie
stray radish
what i love about Zag probably the most is that he's not even mean
manic goblet
he's so nice actually
stray radish
yea
raven thistle
Hes sarcastic, but friendly to everyone
stray radish
respects the employees
raven thistle
sarcastic may have been the wrong word
manic goblet
not even to Lord Hades
stray radish
respects the doggo
raven thistle
Doggo is adorable
manic goblet
oh, it really is
raven thistle
It saddens me to think doggo is probably the final boss
manic goblet
that little three headed incarnation of death is just too adorable
I would just die on the spot
raven thistle
Just give up beating the game, doggo must be protected
manic goblet
Don't make me fight the Doggo
raven thistle
Bright side, even if we beat the game doggo just comes back fine, similar to meg
stray radish
i need the game to allow me to get past the doggo in a non violent way
manic goblet
But that still entails HITTING Doggo
stray radish
exactly
raven thistle
I like how doggo starts at like 5 friendship, far higher than anyone else.
Final boss defend doggo from invading humans
stray radish
okay so Cerb fight starts: you put down your weapon and aggressively pet the doggo and he lowers his health because he loves you and you both know you need to do this do progress
the only acceptable version
raven thistle
aggressive pats engaged
manic goblet
sounds like the perfect... ahem "fight"
stray radish
it's undertale all over again xD
raven thistle
every time you attack doggo it shows a hand patting him, and rather than him dying in the animation he just roles over
stray radish
or plays dead xD
tender zephyr
Has anyone used the purse and had more than 200 gold when they start over?
stray radish
ye, from the mirror
manic goblet
never used the purse
tender zephyr
Has it already been reported since that feels like a bug.
For one, the description says up to 200 gold which means that's the max
raven thistle
By lose the gold i dont mean mid run you lose the gold, but if you unequip it before the run starts even if you had 300 you only take in 100
tender zephyr
No, I didn't spawn in
I haven't started the escape attempt yet
So I don't have the starting gold, only leftover gold from the purse
raven thistle
which seems strange as the wording implys if you beat the run with it equiped and then changed items it allows you to keep the gold which it doesnt
tender zephyr
It does, and yes that does make it odd
manic goblet
I don't get why it doesn't work like that
tender zephyr
Which is why I'm asking if anyone has reported that item interaction in feedback yet
manic goblet
Why would I ever want to use the purse when going to Asphodel
tender zephyr
To get Aphrodite's poster
raven thistle
Personally i thought it was used to break through a boss. Get 200 gold before a run ends, and then use a better boon. you now have 200 extra gold and a good boon, but its sadly doesnt work like that
tender zephyr
I can never get the freaking things to spawn when I have the gold
raven thistle
also that poster was a pain to get
tender zephyr
Still haven't gotten it
raven thistle
and then you arent even rewarded fully for getting it as if you have all decorations the shops may only have 2 items in them
tender zephyr
The problem is that its completely random as to whether it'll spawns or whether you have the gold to buy them
raven thistle
Also cheron needs some class if hes just selling a poster of aphrodite to zag for only 500 gold
stray radish
wish there was a way to pay Charon to reroll the whole well of items
raven thistle
Wish there was a use for all my excess keys and ambrosia
raven thistle
okay keys im still not done with ambrosia, getting close though
raven thistle
Should using ambrosia allow us to reroll gods boons and cherons shops but at the same time we cant bring ambrosia into tartutus with us?
would help take out some rng which is always a good thing, while also allowing us to find a use for a useless recourse
stray radish
idk, it could lead to a situation when you're forced to reroll when you dont want to
raven thistle
Ah the fun of balancing rouge likes while also figuring out what to do with all the excess items you have
Could we just have a room that slowly starts filling visually based on all the keys, darkness and ambrosia we have XD
frosty pier
We'll make OUR OWN WINECELLAR
manic goblet
meanwhile SGG "stahp putting hundreds of hours into the EA version"
frosty pier
Or how do you that word even >_>
manic goblet
"our" is correct
stray radish
-Zag wth is this room
-uhh
-it's so dark, what do you even have in here?
-...darkness?
raven thistle
I have some nector of the gods and a bunch of keys too if your interested?
stray radish
omg imagine if they added voice lines for when you have everything unlocked and you have way too many keys now like "what am i gonna open with this anyway?"
raven thistle
Maybe il get enough keys to check whats in those two locked rooms XD
raven thistle
Its a skeleton key, a key that fits in and unlocks every lock and yet even with 666 i still cant unlock these damn doors
raven thistle
Arcadian knight has come here to recover after making a horrible mistake
tender zephyr
It's like using a crappier triple-shot with triple the lag
I had Athena's blessing and could one shot a thug if I got up close and had them eat all the arrows
raven thistle
Most specials would synergize well if it wasnt for the cast time and taking 4 years to return to you (im looking at you shield)
stray radish
F
tender zephyr
It's actually somewhat fun since you really have to judge whether you're safe or not
stray radish
xD
tender zephyr
Though I didn't even really get to the good part since I never got the hammer
raven thistle
I feel like zeus's blessing would work better on a bow special since its higher raw damage and it still hits the target in question
it would like double the damage with even a rare and give mad aoe, atleast i think
tender zephyr
I'll give it a whirl
Maybe this time I'll get the hammer upgrade so that I can make my arrow storm
tender zephyr
Ok, game decided to put me between a rock and a hard spot by making me chose between hammer and Zeus
manic goblet
that's an obvious choice
tender zephyr
Ended up going with hammer for double arrow special...and it wasn't half-bad. The special upgrade dishes out a decent amount of arrows, and I picked up two Aphrodite upgrades for damage
The best part. I killed Meg
Only using the bow special, I freaking managed to humiliate her.
manic goblet
Poor Meg, just doing her job
tender zephyr
That one's she going to need to drink off
frosty pier
Meg really doesn't deserve that.
raven thistle
Curious to what that death total of hers is up to XD
tender zephyr
Poor Meg, getting her butt filled with Zag's many arrows of love.
frosty pier
Oh nooo
raven thistle
Deaths in fair and honorable combat = 11
Deaths by humiliation and cheese = 58
Technically correct wording/10
tender zephyr
Well, let's see how badly Asphodel kills me especially since I only have one death defy left
Freaking window ledge traps you when Meg's doing her storm attack
raven thistle
like 50% of the damage i take is caused by getting stuck on an objected you dont think your gonna get stuck on
I can dash through these walls, over pits of lava but this 1 crate or table is far too hard for me to dash through
tender zephyr
Died on boat due to misjudging the suicide bombers range. The other bombers I can read like a book now. They have two attacks. One, they toss a bomb at your current position. This makes it easy to bait out an attack and then fire a volley in their face. The other is jumping away and throwing three bombs at your feet.
This kinda reminds me of doing stupid Dark Soul challenges where the low damage attacks forces you to observe enemy patterns.
manic goblet
Was in fact mistaken about spin-dashing working with dash upgrade from the Mirror. What I saw was the backstab bonus
frosty pier
Hm, yep looks like no dash bonus for a spin no matter how you try it
grave cipher
I think it would be broken, spin-dash is very powerful already
If you do it correctly you can almost always get the backstab bonus on a lot of enemies and clear room with ease.
tender zephyr
Ok, Zeus isn't that good with Bow Volley.
raven thistle
Damn, i thought that would synergize well. I apologies for my horrible ideas
manic goblet
First Deathless run, weee
obtuse merlin
grats
tender zephyr
Nice
raven thistle
Just beat the game with only 11 hp remaining. I remember why i hate the sword
obtuse merlin
I did that with shield special Ares run was pretty hard
I usually do ok with sword special build
raven thistle
sword special just locks you in the animation too long
obtuse merlin
with good boons everything but the bosses is cake
raven thistle
This is 100% the truth