haha nice
#h1-builds-and-combat
fluid moat
I think my highest damage output was like 120/130?
idk if they reduced the damage on recent patch though
sand seal
Oof i dont think so but i would have to check
cinder gale
Dash is too powerful, on some run I just forget what weapon I use because I just dash everything to death.
iron trellis
Anyone know how the god keepsakes strengthen boons?
lost osprey
Just beat my first Hydra today thanks to Life Drinker. It's my second time fighting the hydra. The life drinker allows me to make so many mistake and still be able to recover. I bought cyclop's jerky before the fight and with that plus Artemis' crit boost my thrust can deals 80ish damages, healing me for 8 each time.
tl;dr Life Drinker is really strong indeed.
oblique karma
life drinker is really strong because the thrust hitbox lasts forever
someone could just waddle into your missed thrust and boom, 8 hp
it also lets you heal from multiple targets
oblique karma
pretty much
indigo compass
went from 20 hp to 80 and stuff
oblique karma
i kind of dont like how any damage can cancel a charge
i mean i understand it but its really annoying when you have full spear charge and a brimstone does 1 tick of damage
and then you just get mobbed by bloodless
tawny agate
I feel that
indigo compass
yeah same with bullrush:p
oblique karma
bull rush is a bit more lenient cause of the defend
but it hurts for spear particularly
indigo compass
hmm im having weird scenarios where im pretty sure im supposed to block but it doesent
oblique karma
it has a weird hitbox, since it only blocks in the direction youre facing
indigo compass
and then it just cancels the block entirely:p
lost osprey
Oh, still havn't put any point into Avenging Gain yet. Gotta try that next time.
oblique karma
really saved me in my last spear run
the new ares dash is so good for hydra
i smell a nerf
indigo compass
i like ares now yeah
can dash in a triangle:o
then every thing gets wrecked
im allmost done with the mirror
only olympians favor now
lost osprey
Hmm, I still don't really get how to utilize surge dash. Is it better to be used as an attack than a dodge?
oblique karma
surge dash is useful more in the second stage; asphodel cause it knocks the skeles into the lava
it can be mostly used to dodge otherwise/wallslam
indigo compass
is there still a surge?
oblique karma
its poseidons wave dash
oblique karma
at leazst ,thats what i think he means
indigo compass
surge was more like running with a shield on that dmges everything u touch lol
oblique karma
yeah i remember lol
indigo compass
was cool the first time i tryd i was wrecking everything
demon have u got quik temper max?
indigo compass
ah ok, but do u know if it scales with atk dmg boons?
oblique karma
based on what people tell me and from my own experience; i think it only multiplies your base damage
indigo compass
wasweird i was in asphodel and my dash strikes aka quik temper was only doin 20dmg with shield
indigo compass
yeah i was in trouble
failed at hydra:p
i had athena atk deflect lvl 5
poseidon dash
and dmg resistance and deflect on cast but that has nothing to do with it
indigo compass
should be doin dash strikes of above 150 i think:p
oblique karma
cause im pretty sure - yeah
was your normal strikes doing damage?
like correct damage?
oblique karma
that is really weird, if anything your dash attack should be doing more than ur regular
oblique karma
maybe drop something in feedback, woulda been ncie if you got a screencap
no it does, im sure
indigo compass
cuz with sword if u have the 400percent dmg hammer upgrade u dont do that dmg with quik temper cuz it stays a thrust
oblique karma
true, but did you pick up any hammer upgrades?
oblique karma
that shouldn't create an issue
indigo compass
and im not sure but i think the 20dmg was only in one room
indigo compass
but it was all brimstones and blue guys so it wrecked me hard
ive been having alot of trouible with shield since first nerf
oblique karma
shields been having a few bugs since the update on the 13th
lots of people have been running issues on it
so
oblique karma
bull rush is considered an attack otherwise you wouldnt be able to deflect with it
indigo compass
yeah but it supposed to block aswell:p and sometimes something hits the shield front and still dmges me:p
indigo compass
lol what?
oblique karma
yikes, look into #h1-tech-support
indigo compass
just had some framerate issues tho
oblique karma
use gyazo or imgur
tawdry cairn
and they said the game doesn't have an ending yet.
dreamy fractal
whelp time to start an alternate save file i guess
indigo compass
what have u got?
tawdry cairn
ya, how much darkness?
indigo compass
im at 5786
dreamy fractal
dapper heart
Holy fiddlesticks.
dreamy fractal
about 20 successful runs
tawdry cairn
is that 131 runs?
dreamy fractal
other than finals and sleep. this was it
indigo compass
and i thought i was problematic:p
dreamy fractal
after i got 1 success on all classes
i did a bit of a grind using poseidon and always picking resources
so i could max out my epic upgrades
dreamy fractal
i wanted the cool boons
tawdry cairn
petition to put you in the game as a shade with sleep deprevation as the cause of death
oblique karma
i would sign it
indigo compass
tho i did not rly mind darkness too much i allways went for hp over anything:p
dreamy fractal
supergiant games has yet to disappoint me. really glad i bought this as my first early access game
dreamy jackal
Anyone know why Aphrodite’s dash is OP? I got it once. Don’t think it any useful compare to other option
dreamy fractal
i think its because the double damage
indigo compass
it does dmg puts weaknes + dmg to weakness and boom ur wrecking them
oblique karma
it can hit twice
indigo compass
very easy to put weakness on multiple enemies and dmg them , and at high lvls its pretty strong
indigo compass
did get nerfed tho:p
dreamy jackal
Okay, thanks
dreamy fractal
i dont think aphros dash after they nerfed the weakness damage from 100%+ to like 30%
dreamy jackal
Does sword any viable now?
dreamy fractal
super viable
if you ever get the chance to use the lifesteal boon take it
make you nigh invincible
indigo compass
yeah its good
dreamy fractal
also the 400% one hit combo is good
indigo compass
its a hammer upgrade tho
dreamy fractal
i started a new save file and i realize how hard this game is again. i completely forgot home defenseless you are without 3 dashes and rare/epic boons
indigo compass
yeah it was brutal
dreamy jackal
And there is no way to guarantee hammer appear...
dreamy fractal
rely on your dash damage and or cast boons to carry you til them
your special base damage is good early on too, moreso if you boon it
most of the strong sword builds are based on your left click
indigo compass
i rely more on boons then hammer upgrades
just the bow has a sick one:p
perfect shot is just insane
dreamy fractal
mhmm
i like how they added a shorter charge time for first shot after dashing
makes it raelly fun to dash shoot over and over again
dreamy jackal
What does perfect shot do?
fallen lintel
i got perfect shot start too
indigo compass
250percent power shot dmg
dreamy jackal
I see. I like deflect on special for bow, though
Whenever the game go into bullet hell mode, I just deflect everything and let them kill themself
indigo compass
i pick atk for deflect mostly:p
indigo compass
i dont liek the special
dreamy jackal
It’s for deflect not direct damage
indigo compass
the power shot is just so strong :p
dreamy jackal
This way your special would be useful for once
indigo compass
and the recovery time after is much shorter so its safer
indigo compass
never tried point blank
dreamy jackal
By once, I mean 5 consecutive tries
Point blank will hit one target with 80%+ of your arrow
Stronger than power shot
dreamy jackal
However, you know you’re in melee range...
wintry swan
so when you have the swords special ability that heals on thrust
dreamy fractal
@dreamy jackal power shot doesnt require you to stand still for a full 1.5 seconds
wintry swan
It counts ares damage
on top of it
I am healing for 12 every thrust
HEAL TANK
HYDRA NOW IS YOUR TIME
indigo compass
yup
dreamy jackal
@dreamy fractal Yeah, I know. It has potential, but like I typed. It’s not working...
dreamy fractal
oh my bad didnt read the previous message
dreamy jackal
At base level, point blank special is thrice as strong as power shot...
dreamy fractal
if i try specing for special on bow
indigo compass
doesent pierce tho
indigo compass
line up a good power shot and ur killing lots of guys in one shot
dreamy fractal
especially if you luck out on the 200% arrows hammer
dreamy jackal
Go Athena, life saving when bullet hell mode is on
indigo compass
can just shoot an arrow throught them:p
dreamy jackal
Try it just once and you know what I typing about
dreamy jackal
You stand safely away from meg and see all her missile go back at her
Oh
How you like your bow special, then?
indigo compass
meg is easy with perfect shot:p she takes about 325dmg with powershot backstabs:p
lunar sigil
I just got my first "completion" with triple shot and Ares' curse damage, hot damn
dreamy fractal
ayyy started a new save file. got to asphodel on second try with 30 darkness
bow is legit broken
do any of you use aim assist?
dreamy fractal
i stopped using it a while back cause i kept missing the heads
indigo compass
i tryd once without it and it went worse then before lol:p
wondering how many keys we are gonna need for the new weapons:p
dreamy fractal
lmao i actually didnt read too much of the dialogue first play through i wanted to read it all once the game was done for full experience
but now that im replaying im going through and listening to everything in full
dreamy fractal
yeah. i was still getting new dialogue
i still havent seen it all on my other account
cause you need to die to each specific mob for hypnos dialogue
hey when does the lounge get fixed?
exotic hazel
Unfortunately the Poseidon double wave boon isnt very good :/
fallen lintel
thats not exactly what it sounds like is it
exotic hazel
It applies a second knockback effect on enemies who get knockbacked
BUT it only does it after a pretty big delay, and often just kinda nudges em a bit
gleaming void
0.7s delay iirc
worn fulcrum
Hmm, it seems like a lot of stuff which feels like it should be multiplicative is additive instead now
Like critical hits, or bow charge
static field
taskmi was it not that way before?
It is i believe just the interaction with quick tempest
and quick tempest is bugged this patch doing 200% more damage rather than 100%
dreamy jackal
Okay, how could you guy know all these? I never noticed any bugged until it was pointed out by other player
Even then I’m not sure if it is
static field
Testing damage on dummy
dreamy jackal
Oh!!!
worn fulcrum
It definitely wasn't that way before
Right now, minimum charge bow shots do ~15 damage and power shots do 40, while dash minimum charge bow shots do ~75 and dash power shots do 100
Which, yes, it's applying Quick Temper twice, but it's also applying it to the base damage of the bow (30) rather than the amount of damage that attack would usually deal
And similarly, crits just increase bow damage by 30
I'm not sure if this is a bug or an intentional change, though - it definitely caps a lot of the more broken scaling even if it feels really weird
uneven shuttle
Quick temper + power shots have always been wonky. It does 30 for charge + 10 for Power Shot timing, quick temper only applied to charged damage, giving 30+10+30=70 (instead of 80). Now it doubly applies, giving 30+10+30+30=100.
Don't recall what does/doesn't multiply the power shot damage aside from that, though
uneven shuttle
No, the overinflated damage applies to everything
uneven shuttle
Technically it applies the LEAST to charged shots, since it works out as a 150% bonus instead of the 200% every other weapon is getting
worn fulcrum
It's really good for uncharged shots, though!
uneven shuttle
(since the +10 isn't getting multiplied at all)
Honestly the bow's just really good for a whole lot of other reasons, I wouldn't knock it
Especially now that it pierces no matter what'
And still has a host of hammer upgrades that all triple your damage
hollow totem
Oh
I forgot native piercing
Tfw when they removed native deflection
Looking back on it old sheild wasnt broke
It was noob friendly
proud storm
Peerless parry dreams
candid bobcat
Am I too bad or is Meg super stronk ?
proud storm
She's stronk but you'll get stronker eventually
proud storm
Im already thinking of ways to make the bosses harder
Example: have meg run and dash faster
Her summons are armored
muted basalt
Hi guys
worn fulcrum
Just make the summons invincible
hollow totem
I personally would like if the boss was simpmy harder but she didnt spawn mobs
Makes it feel cooler
Like just a 1v1
proud storm
Have meg spawn louts
hollow totem
Pls no
candid bobcat
Well I like the spawns but never get both the increase in shield bounces and the +100% damage per bounce xD
proud storm
Or yeah a 1v1 but her attacks are changed
candid bobcat
However, 1v1 would be great I agree
worn fulcrum
You can only get one hammer upgrade
candid bobcat
Yeah
muted basalt
Shield are too strong in first half, but after meg it's much weaker
hollow totem
Ehh
I dont think it should be like that
Sometimes builds dont work
I dont think the game should cater in that sense
Im fine with the current fight though
ocean halo
I mean optional like different game mode
hollow totem
Ahh okau
ocean halo
Just friendly sparring with Meg
proud storm
Oh btw they nerfed the boat fight
candid bobcat
I feel Meg is too strong considering how little influence we have in our builds ^^
thin glacier
Colisseum with hercules could be a cool platform for 1v1 fights against tough creatures.
hollow totem
Meg is fine imo
lost rose
Meg is hard before you upgrade your dash but gets significantly easier to handle once you can, you know
Move
candid bobcat
Im full dash, I dont take much from her
hollow totem
Ik ive veen doing fresh start runs
candid bobcat
But her health is super high
muted basalt
Dash is op
lost rose
I started a new game and was really blown away how much harder it is to do anything without double or triple dash
hollow totem
Theyre fun
proven kernel
Is anyone else trying to play with just a keyboard? Shield is the only weapon that really functions for me. Bow automatically aims towards the cursor, no matter which direction zag is facing; the sword combo always ends with an attack towards the cursor; and the spear's hitbox is small enough that you need mouse-precision to aim it
(I've gotten to Hydra multiple times, so it works pretty well, but it's limiting)
open mural
I don't quite get what you mean, I mean, isn't that the point? You use keyboard to move and mouse to aim?
proven kernel
That's the intended way, but there's an option to turn off aim-towards-cursor, so I assume it's supposed to still work without using the mouse
open mural
Oh, I didn't know about that option
proven kernel
(Using a mouse for this kind of rapid gameplay makes my arm/shoulder hurt, so I'm trying to make do lmao)
thin glacier
I think binding directional attacks onto keys would help gradually.
Like, right arrow key is right attack and vice verca
But thats not possible right now I guess
full kelp
no
candid bobcat
I came across my nightmare room : skullomats and fatties all over the place
turbid needle
That's when zeus dash shines
candid bobcat
It was the second room, I got a hammer ^^
turbid needle
Which weapon did you have ?
candid bobcat
Bow
turbid needle
Oh yeah that muqt've been a hard pass haha
candid bobcat
A bit
turbid needle
At least now bow pierces ennemies so skulls are way easier to deal with
candid bobcat
True
open mural
Yeah, skullomats were pain in the ass with the old bow if you didnt have pierce
tame depot
Piercing to the bow has made it actually usable now
rocky whale
piercing to the bow has made it REALLY GOOD
tame depot
That too
Soo question, what exactly do skulls on rooms indicate? Some of them seem to make the entire floor harder, Others are bossfights
tame depot
But it sometimes in tartarus there's a third one
That just makes the enemies harder for the rest of the floor
hot yoke
I don't think I've ever noticed a 3rd
The rooms get harder as you go on anyway, I'm pretty sure
regardless of skull rooms
tame depot
Dunno, it always seems to make most enemies armored after i go thorugh it
Otherwise i don't see that
Now im skeptical that im imagining things 😄
latent badger
what's the fastest you've done the treasure trove?
or rather, the most money youve gotten?
flint totem
I think I have done something in the range of 100 on part 2 when I had a blade rift build
latent badger
my best was 83 on tartarus, so pretty similar timing. blade rift build must be really good because i have a lot of trouble on the troves in asphodel
flint totem
Well it was with the dash and I had extended range on the rifts so I kind of danced on the spawn points
pearl willow
dang, had oceans bounty at 155% and an asphodel coin room gave me 488 lol, didnt realize the base rewards from them were so high even
flint totem
Math definitely doesn't check out since asphodel only starts at 120
full kelp
anyone else notice how well bow synergizes with quick temper?
flint totem
Oh yeah add in artemis dash and you are golden
full kelp
- Aphrodite/Poseidon/Athena %base attack damage
pearl willow
Is it? I rarely pick up coin rooms on purpose so can't say I've noticed but 120 -> 488 definitely isn't correct. Though maybe that was before I upgraded the boon and if it was at 101-102% and was applying twice then that would nearly fit
flint totem
actually I was thinking trove not sure for coin room
but still math doesn't check out probably
pearl willow
well thats interesting but probably almost never useful, if you throw your spear and it lands on a spike trap it triggers the spikes
sick quest
hi
pearl willow
ah i just hit a coin room in asphodel and it was 75. 75 * 2.55 * 2.55 is 488. seems like oceans bounty is/can double apply.
sick quest
yes océan bounty up room for coin/gems and life
graceful igloo
does god's keepsake make corresponding boons stronger if i remove it between floors?
flint totem
GL
jade plover
i deed it
errant narwhal
🎉
jade plover
i had 4 death defies when i got to it lmao finished it with 3 left
flint totem
Grats
jade plover
triple shot + epic aphrodite attack blessing lvl 3 is, weirdly enough, alot of damage
fading gulch
whee, take that you multiple-headed monster
kind cedar
Grats, got my first run using stygian with lifesteal upgrades and a bunch of others i can't remember last night.
kind cedar
@fading gulch exactly, same here haha.
fading gulch
feels a bit OP honestly :C
the hydra was basically just one string of clickclickclickclicketyclick
kind cedar
I was just trying to find a way to articulate that with being cautious..because there was a good amount of skill involved to stay alive on mobs and space them properly. but the boss it was just slam the left click until my finger went numb.
I still struggle with meg regularly though..haha
I think that's because of my lack of patience more than anything else.
fading gulch
I've got a pretty good handle on meg by now
damaging dash abilities make that fight a lot easier
kind cedar
i've found using...yeah that. STOP SHARING MY MIND HHIKE I BARELY KNOW YOU.
fading gulch
poke her a few times > dash dash dash > repeat
kind cedar
haha.
fading gulch
the one thing I really can't stand are those things that throw bombs at you
kind cedar
it's satisfying to shield charge her when she's charging you.
fading gulch
oh, I still have to work on my timing there
I love doing it
but sometimes I still get bonked on the head while I'm charging
kind cedar
alot of my "just for fun" runs involve doing that and back stabbing with the shield into a wall. Just baiting and spacing mobs towards them.
I havn't really figured out the javelin too much yet.
fading gulch
same thing as with the sword
dash in > poke three times > dash out
what is satisfying with the javelin is when she does her summoning in the middle of the room
and you have the upgraded charge attack for the javelin
kind cedar
What I really enjoy with the javelin now that i think of it is the curse on the throw ability.
kind cedar
If you time the throw's right it's feels like they're chunky 4 hits haha.
fading gulch
yeah, but I usually mistime it
and then I'm just standing there half-naked without a weapon in my hand
kind cedar
it's definately not safe despite being satisfying.
fading gulch
not a good situation to be in
fading gulch
👉 👉
but yeah, at least since the latest patch the shield throw feels worthwhile
and finally the bow pierces
kind cedar
Ahh, yesterday was my first night to really sit down with the game. So i'm still really excited and figuring stuff out.
fading gulch
ah, I got it like a week ago
and I was so happy when I got the bow
it was my favourite weapon in bastion
and I was so disappointede in it here
feels a lot better now
jade plover
when i tried the bow at first i legit really hated it
but its v good
also if ur going a spear build u wanna actually like do well with get artemis' crit dash asap and just pump poms into it
and then just stack attack damage and never stop dashing
flint totem
Honestly I didn't have much problems with the bow without penetrating but I might just be weird
kind cedar
it's probably a patience thing, it's the same problem I have with fighting games. I can do the mind games and mental gymnastics but it's hard to fight my caveman brain going "grahh go in and make dead don't think!"
flint totem
Yeah I know that feeling
rocky whale
I've basically found that nothing really beats hunter dash builds for me
flint totem
I can play the other builds but Artemis' dash build definitely did the most work
vague ferry
I think the strongest build is when you get a rare/epic variant to a boon that enhances your cast dmg. If you're lucky you can also get the Artemis boon, which gets your your bloodshards back faster. Never lost a run with just these two
gleaming void
Had a rly fun run with aegis, poseidon on normal and epic athena on cast
epic athena cast deals enormous dmg from the start
vague ferry
to be fair every epic on cast does a ton of dmg
pearl willow
huh, just got both a key and an ambrosia bottle from a chest reward, that's a first.
feral depot
yea. I started hating Casts, but once those stronger boons kick in... straight up, I've had the blade rift one carry me to completion
errant narwhal
casts are useful rn without boons, its nice
hushed parrot
My favorite boon about Cast is the Poseidon one, it makes them explode in a large area that knocks back everything
buoyant nacelle
does life drinker on sword not work all the time?
flint totem
It is the last hit of the combo that procs it?
raw talon
artemis build casting was my first hydra kill
errant narwhal
theyre good for pests and numbskulls when i remember to use em
raw talon
just shredded the health bar
flint totem
the artemis cast was god-like before this patch
errant narwhal
theyre very good now that they do 50 dmg and have slight homing
vivid perch
but u can just cast it 2-3 times and then u gotta pick them up again
flint totem
like I still love blade rifts
vivid perch
it feels so usless xD
raw talon
if you get epic cast boons they do a ton of damage
esp. if you pom those boons a couple times
errant narwhal
its not supposed to be your primary attack, but its extra good if ur going with sword since its ur only range
vivid perch
imma try to go full cast once
raw talon
like they nerfed artemis so hydra probably doesn't die in, 12 casts anymore but it's still very good yeah
flint totem
Yeah not even 12 casts
raw talon
or well they didn't explicitly nerf the damage but multi shot is less broken
yeah that sucks, though I think the second-to-last hotfix addressed that hopefully?
the shield not returning thing
flint totem
Yeah it does 25% damage
It still goes off into the aether at times it is better at returning now I think
errant narwhal
@vivid perch please dont try to circumvent the swearing ban
vivid perch
@errant narwhal huh?
opal ravine
I can't stop myself from just buffing the swords Y attack and using it non stop lol
Bit too effective for my tastes honestly since its a pretty bland way to be playing.
rigid quest
i like sword with crits 👌
gleaming void
Yea same for me if I got a neat upgrade on the Sword Special I just spam it
indigo compass
i love the bow now , so much dmg:p
if u get perfect shot before meg she goes down pretty fast with backstab powershots:p
rigid quest
my fav is a spear with Zeus blessing , lightning bolts everytwhere
opal ravine
only issue is I spec way too hard into the special so every other attack is weaksauce
rigid quest
spam one enemy - clean the whole room
gleaming void
I find the shield well balanced in this aspect
The normal bash can be really great with poseidon boons
and the special is absolute madness with hammer and a boon that boost dmg
proper trench
woot, finally beat the hydra with a bow. now the only one left is a spear 😄
autumn yarrow
what do you mean
indigo compass
i got 2 runs where i changed keepsake to aphrodite after meg but first door was trial of the gods and dident havea aphro but artemis wich was my last keepsake and second time it was athena who was my first keepsake
limber wadi
Is there anything to do with Ambrosia after you have all the keepsakes?
autumn yarrow
get all the hearts
dire crystal
ambrosia buffs friendship so you can see more story stuff
autumn yarrow
so i'm petty sure the keepsake just
dire crystal
more about the characters
indigo compass
nah it also gives u the boon from that god:p
dire crystal
it gives you a better boon, like +30% rare chance for the god in specific, and causes the first boon that spawns in the game to be of that type
autumn yarrow
yes i mean apart from the first boon
dire crystal
ive never seen it affect after the gate
autumn yarrow
after you take off that keepsake
you lose it's benefits
but you keep the stronger boon
indigo compass
yeah but if u change it to another one it should work for that one once
autumn yarrow
so the next boons you get are at normal strength
dire crystal
i suppose if it does only work after the first gate, the description should be updated to show as much
indigo compass
so far i have allways got the right one but after last patch trial of the gods doesent give me the right one anymore after meg
autumn yarrow
oh you mean
the part where it just gives you a boon?
I'm pretty sure that's only on the first one
I think someone reported it doesn't guarentee after you kill meg
indigo compass
it should tho:p whats the point of being able to change keepsake if it doesent work:p
proper trench
changing to chairons for the fountain and then changing again to get something like +25 hp
indigo compass
and if it was intended to have god keepsakes work only at teh start of the run then it should be in the description
errant narwhal
i think trial of the gods ignores the keepsake
autumn yarrow
you change it so you can get some different stats to help you in ways your build might need now that you've beaten meg
errant narwhal
but your regular boon should still be that god
indigo compass
weird , never did so far
but what makes me think its a bug even more i that it allways was my first keepsake i switched from
so if i started run with artemis i got the artemis boon in the trial
same happened with athena
gleaming void
doesn't the keepsake improve your chances to get a boon from that particular god overall ?
indigo compass
it makes the first boon the one u choose and make it better
gleaming void
In my mind it also affected your chances to get a boon from that god during the whole run but it must have been a mistake
proper trench
is it just my horrible luck or does the aphrodite wall-scroll only show up when you have less than the amount of gold needed to buy it?
gleaming void
Ahah I had the same impression but no
autumn yarrow
you need to start doing runs where you hold onto 700 gold
gleaming void
I got it after a few tries
Go with Hypnos Keepsake and deep pocket
then go for the gold as much as you can and you should have 500 gold by the time you get to Meg
And if you're lucky it will be on sale just before the 2nd zone
proper trench
I tend to get it at my first shop when I havent gotten the chance to get 500 gold yet
gleaming void
I think that it remains in the shop till the 2nd zone
So if you get a shop with it at the start you should run into it just after meg
not sure tho
autumn yarrow
Wait is it a known mechanic you can dash after the sword thrust and it'll extend the range
proper trench
it is known. but I dont think the devs have mentioned if its a bug or not
gleaming void
Does it extend the range just in the trust direction or in the dash direction ?
proper trench
dash, it makes it really easy to get hp back if you have that boon
autumn yarrow
the hitbox stays infront of you
opaque drum
dang lifestealer sword with weak dash is opop
hushed parrot
First time I manage to reach the infamous hydra, wish me luck ^ ^ ''
https://i.imgur.com/IGqNfPs.jpg
pastel jolt
nah first time hydra is great
can't beat that feeling of WHAT AM I DOING WHAT IS GOING ON
opaque drum
you get a buff if you stand in the lava long enough. the hydra takes damage with you
full kelp
it sympathizes with you
full kelp
well thats anti - climatic
hushed parrot
mood, Sparrow
full kelp
climactic*
merry halo
So, I finally beat Hydra and somehow managed to do it twice!
Surprisingly the first one was done with the sword (the weapon I hate the most)
Dash around with Zeus lightning, then use the special (imbued with Ares and double area)
The second was with Aegis
I usually use Aegis like Captain America, but now I put focus on quick charge, imbued with Aphrodite, and of course Zeus dash
turbid needle
i noticed you cant deflect the hydra projectiles, is that intentional?
merry halo
I believe you need to have the boon to deflect that, so ... intentional I guess
turbid needle
yeah athena boon
but that doesnt work
merry halo
ah I misread your comment
buoyant nacelle
are the keepsakes you get from the gods worth?
worth using i mean
the ones from the olympain gods
buoyant nacelle
ooo, how much is the damage boost? and is it only for if i really want to see more boons from them?
i use either the +25 hp or the increase range damage
for all my runs
indigo compass
its so i get the boons:p
buoyant nacelle
oooo i see thanks
full kelp
i think its there to let you have some control over the build you want
indigo compass
they make sure if a boon appears that it is from that god plus it should get better aswell
hushed parrot
I believe the amount it boosts the boon stats is the same as if you've used one Pom of Power on them
hushed parrot
ohh hmm
dire crystal
like a 30% boost or something
full kelp
damn thats alot
buoyant nacelle
i'll try it out next time and see if i like it, im loving aphrodite + shield throws
indigo compass
bow is insanely powerful now
buoyant nacelle
the new ares buff is really great
i think bow is more playable cus before i felt it was tough with it
indigo compass
i was doin 325 backstab powershots on meg:p
proper trench
im feeling like the ares buff on a shield throw is far better than zuses... im just not killing things that fast with zuse 😦
buoyant nacelle
zues with cast seemed really good before bow now all of zues boons seem eh
dire crystal
yeah its super good on shield throw
buoyant nacelle
but*
proper trench
I think the issue is that zeus dosent chain that well. I hit a few mobs in a group and they only get hit once by the special. which is far weaker than ares
full kelp
zeus has a really good cast though
proper trench
I agree
full kelp
btw, is the rapid shot upgrade good for the bow?
I've tried all the other ones and they were really good
especially the shotgun
indigo compass
idk i go perfect shot each time:p
full kelp
you should try the triple shot one, if u get close enough you can do x3 damage
proper trench
it was fun when I tried it
grand cave
triple shot also makes clearing asphodel so much more bearable with the bow
pastel jolt
triple shot is 💖
kind marten
Triple Shot is absolutely nuts. I haven't tried Perfect Shot, and Rapid Shot is fine. I was honestly expecting it to shoot faster but it was still good (mostly because Hunter's Dash Bow is good). It's just that I don't think it's that much faster than charging the shot which would be way more damage, and shooting multiple shots after a Hunter's Dash, in my opinion, isn't very great. I'd rather just dash between every shot and get stupid high damage.
harsh goblet
How can you give gift to olympian gods?
kind marten
You get ambrosia, and then press G before accepting the boon
harsh goblet
I’ve killed hydra a few times but i didnt know that :))))
proper trench
I wonder if once you max out a gods favor when the final game comes out if you can 'spurn' them in the trial of the gods and they wont attack 😄
dapper heart
Knowing the Greek gods? Yes, they will.
tranquil steeple
I need to figure out a decent sword build. I've beaten Hydra with spear and bow, am working on sword now. I can get there fairly consistently, but can't manage to win.
dire crystal
well this sure is a build
my spear throw does 500 damage or so to armored enemies per hit... and then like 20 to unarmored ones
shame the hydra has no armor to destroy
lol
gleaming quiver
Sword can beat hydra pretty reliably with a Flurry or Life drain build with Aphrodite. Never managed to beat it with a Special build yet
Edit: Chop build is doable too but requires a decent setup to be able to deal enough damage to race the boss
dire crystal
just did 😛
god it took way too long tho
cuz each spear throw only did 57 damage per hit with crit
plus the two side projectiles
which is a respectable like 200 damage total
but thats still way less than most builds lol
bronze island
hey y'all , does it matter who i give this to? or any suggestions?
was trying to send a picture, but the yellow potion
that says "give to a friend"
proper trench
if you play a bunch you will have more than you know what to do with
bronze island
okie dokie, thanks! lol
full kelp
just hit the 1k border with the spear
hushed parrot
I just got a key from an Infernal Trove, but it was kinda hard to notice, and now I'm just wondering if I hadn't accidentally missed some other rewards from the troves in the past 
autumn yarrow
I reemmber missing an ambrosia's today
dire crystal
niceee
troves sometimes drop keys and rarely ambrosia
so possible :p
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423945387544543232/523573719478566952/unknown.png poseidon's reward boon is totally worth btw
216 health? yeah why not
supple lake
@vague ferry, @open mural, on the feedback, yes, I agree with you on how to beat the Skeletons (also, I didn't know yet about the no-armor thing, thank you very much, will test it out!).
What I meant to say, I think, it's that they not very... intuitive enemies. Like you quickly understand the pattern of the Skull or the Thug or the Witch, but these hell-of-a-guys just kill and leave you wondering what to do for... some time before you can adapt.
dire crystal
also i have 3 things that make enemies drop healing items, 2 cast upgrades, every room has a chest and a blood gate...
rugged horizon
is thereanything to do with the keys after mirror and weapons?
neat shore
I miss old Poseidon dash...
vague ferry
@supple lake fair point, but that's why they are considered minibosses. You are supposed to learn their patterns, just like the actual bosses. Granted, in Asphodel they show up in normal rooms, but all the other enemies are upgraded by that point
supple lake
Hm, you are right on that. Maybe I was just overwhelmed by them for now. It must be balanced in the 2-3 patches to the point where everyone wouldn't notice that... I don't know, harshness of them.
errant narwhal
woah
supple lake
Thank you for noticing that in the channel in the first place.
autumn yarrow
I don't know if diagonal walls are meant to be programmed like this but
this made this fight feel really good
vague ferry
^ Yah I jsut hope this can be considered as tech, and not as a bug
worthy dust
That is definitely one if those things that feels more like a bug than a feature, but hopefully it's kept lol
dire crystal
oh jesus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423945387544543232/523577007498592260/unknown.png 400 darkness from one run, yes poseidon boon 100% worth
also i had no damage on any of my attacks but i had the zeus lightning retaliate and i just kinda stood in the lava nearby enemies and the lightning kept striking and killing them
#strats
autumn yarrow
I've noticed that if you have shield, you can still proc revenge if you block the attacks too
also tried doing the same with brimstones lol
autumn yarrow
sheild doesn't proc revenge with the witches, but does with some attacks and brimstones
yea man
hope the hydra spawns heads that spit lava
dire crystal
oh for sure
i mean the issue with lava
is that its damage increases the longer youre in it
i only know this because once i got a rare from aphrodite that was -96% trap damage or something crazy
and i was like "haha lava fun"
and then it hit me for like 7 out of nowhere
autumn yarrow
just keep dipping your toes, you'll be fine xD
dire crystal
exactly lol
autumn yarrow
I need more content to truly realize my dream of a revenge damage build
fluid moat
LOL ketchup nice
autumn yarrow
ty
exotic hazel
Theres some tech with the Aegis that im not sure if it's intended or not, but I REALLY hope it doesn't get changed
full kelp
tulip condor
shell belfry
1262👀
wonder if in future update we'd able to mix two god boon together for each attack
full kelp
I managed to hit 1501 when I had the +40% dmg items but it didn't survive until the boss 
weary drum
is it me or did Coronacht get a big buff last patch
near stump
weary drum
with dash-buff I assume
indigo compass
no
errant narwhal
im doing a bow run rn with artemis' keepsake
indigo compass
yes the regular dash one:p
weary drum
ye, mirror buff
errant narwhal
and i think i might get her legendary if i get another boon from her
indigo compass
then with crit it goes up to 150
with perfect shot it becomes pretty op, and triple shot is also kinda ridiculous lol
errant narwhal
weary drum
Hunter Dash, Triple shot,
errant narwhal
its going... Pretty Good
indigo compass
dont like point blank, but it does do sick dmg:p
weary drum
point blank > long shot
errant narwhal
i took it over triple shot because im not good with it
weary drum
the range you need for the 200% long shot is way less often than the short range for the 300% close range
errant narwhal
basically a "Wasted" upgrade for me but its been helpful with numbskulls
indigo compass
perfect shot is only 50 percent less but with dont have to go up vlose:p
errant narwhal
i didnt get it tho
indigo compass
yeah that happens sometimes:p
just finished a run in less thn 20 mins with artemis crit dash and triple shot
weary drum
it's insane.
indigo compass
and lvl 2 poseidon atk and basically got hydra down in 2min
weary drum
Hunter Dash, Point Blank Shot, Heartbreak Strike.
errant narwhal
oh man i wish i had recorded that meg kill
getting real good with the bow
should i swap to aphrodite's keepsake or should i keep artemis if i want her legendary?
babys first legendary
ok that run started going bad REALLY fast
full kelp
why?
errant narwhal
i have no idea i just started playing horribly
used up a death defy in the trial without even realizing what hit me, and then again used like 2 in the boat
i think i died to lava or a bloodless in a regular level
vague ferry
i mean there was the problem... you don't go in the boat if you aren't stupidly overpowered
visual trout
Finally got Hydra with zeus dash, and alot of pomegranates..
dire crystal
lmao nice
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423945387544543232/523610588044328961/unknown.png i also just got the artemis legendary
10/10
vague ferry
it's basically at near the end of Asphodel
Usually marked with a skull and a boon
Along with an eerie sense of dread right when you open the door
hushed parrot
hhmm
errant narwhal
i kind of was overpowered tho
again, i simply started playing badly and taking damage where it couldve been easily avoided
dire crystal
lol same
errant narwhal
i made it to the hydra with the shield just now but i no longer find it as fun, or dont play it as good anymore, as the bow
errant narwhal
i died obviously bc i went in with no death defies and less than 20 health
but i got to phase 2
its not that the shield is bad really, i just like nyooming around now that i play bow decently
full kelp
you should try the spear with the spin channel reduction upgrade
full kelp
have you tried it with artemis dash?
the dash interrupts the channel so the attack is released after the dash
and you get auto crit
agile charm
OK lads, two quick noob questions: controller/kbm and which weapons are busted?
hollow totem
both are fine '
errant narwhal
people have been recommending controller but i like kbm
hollow totem
all weapons are good but sheild seems to be the worst
errant narwhal
it all comes down to how you prefer really
winter smelt
I tried kbm, but prefer controller. Personally, it's more convenient for such type of games. And it's pretty much depends what you use more often.
dire crystal
i alos like controller
though the lockon on controller sucks sometimes
its great sometimes
but sucks sometimes
dire crystal
i played bastion on ipad, transistor keyboard and mouse, and now im on controller
lol
agile charm
I just did my first run on kbm and got rinsed dodging early so I'm wondering if controller timings feel more natural
Of course, I could just be bad 😛
dire crystal
lol
dire crystal
yeah!
hollow totem
I did that in china
dire crystal
nice
hollow totem
It was one of those chinese illegal download apps
didnt realize that it was wrong till i was like
12
then I rebought the game on steam
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dire crystal
havent played back grough it though
thi sis a tad off topic i suppose
also lmao
thanks pfoxy bot
10/10 proxy
errant narwhal
#off-topic-discussion or #bastion please
dire crystal
i mean i said it was off topic 😛
hence why i stopped talking
idk. it always seemed wierd and somewhat wierd to constantly try and police discussions when they flow naturally, confining them to areas and moving it around different chats which tend to already be talking about different things only clutters up other conversations or discourages conversation.
I mean it makes sense to keep spoilers in their category and to keep channels to general topics but...
Either way i'm not the one running the server so 😛 yknow? so shrug
agile charm
Not my thing either, but I guess big discords need rules 🤷
dire crystal
true
rocky whale
yeah, shield might be the worst now, when it seemed like it was the best last week. Bow/sword got buffed
agile charm
Any tips for the survival rooms? They seem to overwhelm me superbly quickly
indigo compass
yeah have a bow and kill right as they spawn en keep backing up:p
iif need be triple dash around em
rocky whale
yeah I don't know, having extra dashes helps
If you get one of the smaller rooms, it can be brutal
indigo compass
yeah imo dash is kinda mandatory:p
agile charm
Get good at power shot, got it :0
indigo compass
:p
agile charm
How's the spear? Or not bow/sword tier?
indigo compass
it is kinda op right now:p
thats for bow:p
spear is ok i think
but sword with lifedrinker is kinda op:p
rocky whale
Spear has a really nice synergy with artemis dash
vestal fjord
To be fair, everything has synergy with the artemis dash xD
indigo compass
along with avenging gain ofc:p
rocky whale
Spear and Bow are like really good with it lol
indigo compass
yeah bow is crazy with crit
rocky whale
the good thing with those is that you don't need more than 1 rank in the dash
indigo compass
add perfect shot and u got insane amounts of dmg
rocky whale
yeah, and there's a few good upgrades from the hammer that really make it take off. point blank, +power shot, or triple shot
agile charm
Only seen it once and got rekt by a survival room immediately 😛
rocky whale
I like triple shot a little more, but yeah
indigo compass
yeah triple shot is about as good
dmg wise they are all good but point blank is not safe enough for me
errant narwhal
@worn kelp legendary boons have requirements, theyre on the wiki on the bottom of the page for each god https://hades.gamepedia.com/Zeus
worn kelp
thank you alma!
worthy dust
Soooo I enchanted the spear special with Poseidon and it had an interesting effect I did not consider. I guess im just Scorpion now?
rocky whale
oh interesting. the knockback on the return
worthy dust
Yeah.
untold trellis
I'm sad that you can't get multishot without true shot
Was looking forward to multi casts of the other god's casts
worthy dust
Help me de(i)cide?
Epic Breaking Wave (7s stuns)
Rare Oceans Bounty (65% more stuff)
kind fiber
The stun doesn't help
Only works against unarmored non boss foes
And ideally, those should be dead real quick
untold trellis
Wow ares dash is really good now
grand eagle
Have the tier 3 effects always been there?
grand eagle
Oh is kimo the one making the wiki?
turbid needle
I wonder if we'll be able to get multiple daedalus hammers in one run in later updates
grand eagle
Anybody have any ways to increase the chances of getting to play with tier 3 upgrades?
errant narwhal
Equipping the God’s keepsake is a way to increase the chance for an eventual legendary
grand eagle
Yeah I know that but I was wondering if there was any special tricks people had found
turbid needle
Other than making sure you pick the right upgrade pre requirements there's not much else to it besides luck unless you're willing to edit the game files but I wouldn't advise that obviously
grand eagle
Ok thank you
untold trellis
?
south comet
Haha is that the right link
hollow totem
?
turbid needle
i killed meg in like 30 seconds with triple shot bow
forest marsh
Wow... Wave of Despair + brimstone multiple 1hp damages equals death and destruction for the mobs around you
rocky whale
Yeah, I've kind of wondered if you could make use of that with some of the damage reduction perks
indigo compass
nice just got over 350 darkness in one run:)
fallen lintel
btw hello jack 
thin glacier
I hope we get to spend all the keys we collect soon
fallen lintel
oh yeah i guess we need a disposable use for keys
without that there's always a point where you'll have too many to use
sand breach
finally.. beat... hydra
errant narwhal
I assume there will be much more stuff to do with keys and ambrosia in the next Big Patch
🎉 
indigo compass
yeah hope that if we get 2 weapon we have to spend alot on em
sand breach
thank u artemis for your epic true shot and charon for
60% cast damage and extra cast
and to all the pomegranates along the way
who needs boons. i just need one.
indigo compass
yeah with hammer and poms is all u rly need:p
indigo compass
i allmost done i think:p
fast gyro
i play 10 hours ans i beat meg with difficulty 3 times.
indigo compass
at around 23 percent olympian favor thats the only one i still need to max
fast gyro
And always die in the second room after meg 😦
indigo compass
ull get there
indigo compass
took me about 45 attempts just to get to the end i think
fast gyro
a good tactic is the artifact of athena and take the deflect shot to deflect the iris spread of meg and do tons of damage
indigo compass
artemis is allways a solid pick too
fast gyro
yeah
indigo compass
def her cast if ur not good at meelee for instance:p
rugged horizon
does anyone else feel like the purchasing of extra blood shards should go to 10 not 4
forest marsh
Aw dang, finally got to the Hydra... First attempt died with about 30% remaining on the Hydra
My cast was doing 500+ crits though, so that was fun
sand breach
it took me 41 tries x)
forest marsh
That was my 45th run, first time getting to Hydra
sand breach
time to learn the bow
forest marsh
Ha ha I was using the bow
hollow minnow
ARRRG! Megaera is SO HARD! I've only managed to beat her twice and she, meanwhile, has probably defeated Zagreus at least a dozen times!!
forest marsh
You'll get there! It took me 40 runs to beat Meg
hollow minnow
Yet I also feel sorry for her when she mopes in the Lounge or complains to Nyx.
Whoa!
limpid ember
Pay attention to her patterns, she's pretty do-able when you know her moves
forest marsh
But after that I've beat her 3 or 4 times, and I'm on 45 runs
hollow minnow
I'm on Escape Attempt 96 😛 😛 :P: I've only reached Ashodel twice, dying shortly after getting there...
forest marsh
Aw dang
I think the big thing that helped me was being more patient and picking my moments
Good boons always help too, though 😆
hollow minnow
yeah 😄 I managed to beat her with a Posdien Cast boon, and then another time with Zeus and the shield....
errant narwhal
It took me around 45 tries to be able to beat her every time
hollow minnow
The skeletons used to be so hard; now I can clear them easily, but I almost can't imagine getting past Meg with the same level of ease. 😖
Holy cow alma seriously!? Woow 😮
errant narwhal
You’ll get there! It takes a while but it’s easy when you get the hang of it
hollow minnow
Thanks 😃 😃 😃
cursive pilot
Like everything "Practice makes perfect" really applies here
hollow minnow
She's a cool character though, and I get hints they've known each other for a long time.
That is very true. nods
indigo compass
just beat hydra with only double action lvl6 on sword and aphro weakness
was a pretty long fight:p
indigo compass
anything with the bow is good rly:p
umbral fiber
<- 22 runs so far, almost all with Aegis. I'm really liking it so far, and not really feeling like getting used to another play style for now. After this update, the throw special isn't terribly great, but other than that the shield pairs up nicely with so many boons. I'm loving the general direction Hades is taking. With some more balancing, I can see how the weapon+boons can turn into a fighting system with a vast scope of play styles that just work, similar to transistor
i'm already looking forward to having similar experiences as back then, where I play through a couple of times and try a few styles, only to find other players online raving about how amazingly style X works, which I never even thought about 😄
forest marsh
The weapons already feel a lot better than when the game first released into EA, though I can't say how much of that is just me getting used to them
umbral fiber
I think yesterday's update really bumped things up a notch; the recovery periods were really creating a very clunky feeling
How many runs are you on? I think a very large part is also getting used to it 😛 between beating Meg the first time yesterday and half-beating Hydra today, Tartaros is starting to be more fun than challenging XD
rain axle
Sword went from 0 to hero after this patch
forest marsh
I'm somewhere around 46 or 47 runs
umbral fiber
yeah gotta try dat double dps
rain axle
Just finished a sword run wast doing 435 damage on auto attack
umbral fiber
lawnmower-mode activated 
rain axle
world choper + aphro on attack
If I get the life drinker I go for aphro and athena damage reduction you never die
spear and shield feel really bad now
turbid needle
Damage for bow?
rain axle
really hate bow
indigo compass
i used to dislike bow, now its the best one to me:p
rain axle
have to get specific hammer buffs for it to do anything nothing the gods giving is really going to help you
forest marsh
Bow is quite good once you get the hang of the dash-power shot combo
wraith hearth
i personally like the shield and bow
rain axle
sword isn't my fav but it by far the best now
turbid needle
no one knows the damage stats?
rain axle
spear would be my 2nd
turbid needle
forest marsh
Just had my fastest Meg victory with that Crit damage bow build I posted a minute ago
indigo compass
shield was my favoruite at the launch after patch i just never got into it again:p
rain axle
lol yeah shield was insane at launch
it had high damage with knock back and deflection
built in
indigo compass
feels off now like there is some hitbox issue
ocean halo
My fastes Meg was with 400% Sword + Crit
rain axle
just backstab her you don't need the crit
ocean halo
She didnt even get to summon first wave
rain axle
she will now she gets impervious