h1-builds-and-combat

[plain river]

🗿

😔

I need to check eris and hestia before I make any more comments

[red iris]

Do these tiny dots below the fingers count? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792227247742124052/1452202167271165953/image.png?ex=6948f429&is=6947a2a9&hm=e3528dfd845a75b869ad2cfb2f2cf66fbd16c38d8ac99b0a0996bace919df924&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

I feel like the detailing around them is supposed to be eye like

[plain river]

Sure

4

and Eris looks animalistic but idk

I don’t think it has them

[red iris]

Demiter has 2

...Am I going mad or is that a tiny face on the center of Talos https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792227247742124052/1452202960137228298/image.png?ex=6948f4e6&is=6947a366&hm=5252359198c38b0490f5541550f4e2b940bd1fb865cb9c462e93923171f31691&

[plain river]

[red iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792227247742124052/1452202917171036222/image.png?ex=6948f4dc&is=6947a35c&hm=fbdad238bf6ec2e3746cb414af88ee48ef57637d56734ab35f7d6566100c0db7&

[plain river]

ywah

it does

[red iris]

4 for Talos

[plain river]

The spears are my only safe haven

[red iris]

Are you sure about that? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792227247742124052/1452203496387383306/image.png?ex=6948f566&is=6947a3e6&hm=d81fe0ea4e0ffb1935b0c03ea1720ceb5ae2a92c32683750744554da0439ec5f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[plain river]

NI

NO

what in the 1984

In my defence

Hades spear is the one I look at the least

[red iris]

And just like the aspect of zagreus this one- https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792227247742124052/1452203676784656436/image.png?ex=6948f591&is=6947a411&hm=0b7e5a83dd12010e657160ab912a1b44075247552ce895229ee4bbea1a2670a8&

is also double sided!

4! eyes!

[plain river]

I assumed as much

[red iris]

Also Guan yu has a dragon sculpture running down the middle of it so 2 eyes https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792227247742124052/1452204112165732504/image.png?ex=6948f5f8&is=6947a478&hm=0db1bbf2916217bcdeef0aad62f219e40de286bcc8cafe469f4f51c4387aaa02&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Finally I'm not sure how to count Eris because it doesn't really look like a pair of eyes on the weapon itself but the icon definitely invokes the image of a face

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792227247742124052/1452204510758834217/image.png?ex=6948f658&is=6947a4d8&hm=93292594e93aa3dab82dfefabb05558f529e290ba1adecb143166948d420683e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[plain river]

Right

That’s what I’m saying

[red iris]

Also to answer your question which category does “spin them once to apply the debuff then strike them like a silverback gorilla on -Illegal substance- “ Fall into?

[plain river]

uhhhh

it’s like spin to win adjacent

if it had serrated point I understand it

otherwise~

[red iris]

I mean I think the Spin Attack is cool but I find myself using the strike and dash strike more often during fights (Unless I have the hammer that makes it really big and/or pulse damage)

[verbal flicker]

So uh wanting to invest in a new weapon, rn I've only bought the aspect of Zeus. Anything you guys recommend?

Also what heat levels are the easiest

[plain river]

Just to be clear

spin to win

is not effective

Striking and dash-striking after inflicting the buff is more effective

but without serrated edge it is a sad amount of base damage per second

[red iris]

I see

[plain river]

Sword: nemesis (main functionality is gained at level 1, subsequents just improve it)
Spear: achilles (needs a few more levels)
Shield: zeus (main functionality at level 1)
Bow: hera (lvl 1 functionality) zag (needs more levels, also isn’t as crazy absurd but is less input heavy)
Fists: demeter (needs more levels)
Rail: eris (always good) or hestia (hestia needs lots of levels)

[plain river]

There’s a solid 1->20 heat progression guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[verbal flicker]

Ty

[red iris]

Zeus is a pretty good weapon. I'm a bit inexperienced with most of the weapons but I can confidently recommend aspect of Poseidon. It has a fun gimmick and gives you a clear thing to build towards while giving you a big benefit right from the start

[plain river]

hmm

maybe I could add pos to that list

I tend to avoid doing so since generally it’s scaling just sucks compared to other castpects like achilles but that buff does make it really easy for new players to not go wrong with any cast

like Achilles you’re going to easily get your casts back because your casts are going to kill enemies a ton but pos lets you kind of guarantee that you can get your casts back even if you go for a mid cast

[red iris]

I also recommended it because it's pretty much guaranteed to lead to a "caveman discovers fire" moment with Exit Wounds

[plain river]

caveman discovers grass

[red iris]

Caveman found in ocean

[plain river]

my problem with it is when people start treating exit wounds like it’s the Holy Grail when it’s only usable as boss chip or really especially tanky enemy chip if you actually put together a decent build

It’s decnet but your build shouldn’t live and die by it

[red iris]

I mean I don't think it's a run carrier but it is pretty nice to have even if you're not focused on cast (In fact you could argue it’s strength is that it lets your cast to do decent damage even without much investment)

Although it's my go to Synergy with Poseidon

[verbal flicker]

For Hera do I swap to infernal soul from stygian

[meager sedge]

I think whether it's mid-tier or whether it's a gigantic "extremely helpful" depends on whether you're running Poseidon or not, mostly.

It CAN make or break a Poseidon-sword build IMO though a sufficiently strong-otherwise Poseidon build will function without it (just a couple steps from optimally.)

Specifically if you're running a Poseidon-sword build that can actually use it it's probably close to top-tier as an individual boon.

[proper furnace]

Unless you are using trippy shot, nah

The burst dmg is much better

You can ignore lodge time by just one shotting stuff

[plain river]

it depends on the cast you’re using

[verbal flicker]

Why specifically that one?

[proper furnace]

Because it stays on the ground for 5 seconds before the cast drops again

Stygian takes 3s to regen

[verbal flicker]

So wait on all the others infernal soul is better?

Ok

[proper furnace]

Pretty much

[verbal flicker]

I have no darkness to level up though😔

[plain river]

Itms not a huge deal

the most important part of Hera is the first level

Also 3 casts dropping after 10 seconds is like 3 casts every 1/3.33s for bossing, and every other enemy type should be dead after 3 of your casts, and thus drops your casts

[waxen dragon]

For Nemesis, is Zeus attack viable?

[weak zenith]

no

*you can make everything work but its not ideal

since you get multiplicative increased damage from crit you want an attack boon that boosts your attack damage by alot

[plain river]

wdym by viable

[tight basin]

it's viable if you get hyper sprint and rush delivery technically lmfao

[waxen dragon]

I guess clearing like heat 21 or so

[zenith fractal]

as said previously, at heats below like 40 anything can work. This doesn't mean some plays aren't significantly better than others, but with enough willpower and skill anything can work, and is thus "viable" per se.

In your case, using Nemesis sword, the crit chance that aspect provides only applies to the base sword attack, not whatever other flat damage boon it may have on it.

As such, unless running Merciful End which is strong in its own right even though it ignores Nemesis' mechanic, putting a flat damage source on the attack generally isn't a solid way of dealing proper damage.

^ there is a silver lining to this too; the higher heat one goes to, the more useful putting additional flat damage sources on attack/special becomes due to the Damage Control heat setting.

[hoary sleet]

Is there like a resource for knowing exact stats for enemies, specifically for things like attacks, enemies, animation frames etc? Especially when adjusted by things like the pact of punishment? I checked out the wiki and was able to find some stuff, but for example when looking at the page for the furies under damage it just says 'varies.'

[plain river]

There’s a document under the guides for speedrun.com that has all the hp and armour

for all variants

but I can’t really think of anything for damage #’s and definitely not frame data

[hoary sleet]

Kinda surprising considering how nerdy the Hades fandom is ngl, especially since the speedrunning community is super active. Are there any TAS stuff people could use to figure it out?

[plain river]

The game has been datamined like

not that

We’re really supposed to talk about it but the numbers should be available

[hoary sleet]

Alright, thx I'll go and check em out

[plain river]

That’s how resources like this are possible

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

Which give you far more indepth boon and hammer information, as well as letting you figure out how different boons pom and rarity scaling works

[hoary sleet]

Thank you I really appreciate it! I’m gonna take the time to read it tonight, I love geeking out about this stuff lol

[verbal flicker]

Why not?

[tight basin]

you're generally not supposed to datamine stuff lmao

damage # info no one really keeps track of, but i'm sure if you ask any of the high heat players they'll know of the top of their head

they prob just have to like half it bc of hl5 lmao

frame data i dont think anyone ever kept track of that stuff

[plain river]

Frame data isn’t that practically useful tbh

[tight basin]

if you see them about to swing, then dodge lmao

[hoary sleet]

Maybe it’s just my background being a casual smash bros fan but it’s kinda interesting to hear the difference in how frame data is treated lol. Like over in that community ppl talk about it all the time, including for speedrunning

Not saying it’s better or worse, it’s just interesting to see the difference

[tight basin]

tbh the only use of frame data i can think for this game would be like

zeus shield for high heat i guess

bc that has a lot of inputs compared to some of the other aspects

[hoary sleet]

Personally I kinda wanted it just so I could see the data for the elite skull-crusher with forced overtime 4 and understand the timing for Chiron bow since he was a pain

[tight basin]

i'm assuming you meant forced overtime 2 lmfao

but you have to min charge an attack (or have flurry shot) and you only get 1 special out of it

it's hella slow and risky lmao'

[plain river]

Frame data does actually matter in a competetive game where you and your opponent could be playing x y z moves and their fair comes out 3 frames faster than your nair but like

In Hades?

[tight basin]

esp if you have mm

[plain river]

interactions are not as complicated

or down to the wire

You pretty much always have the advantage

[plain river]

Just hit him with a battie right after he hits the ground for the first time

Then you can either use dash-strikes or raw dash damage to deal the rest of it I wouldn’t even try with the special personally

[frigid sentinel]

what conditions should i choose im at heat 7

[proper furnace]

Unless its a brightsword

[verbal flicker]

Any tips/optimal builds for Achilles spear

[verbal flicker]

I can't tell if I should use a cast build, dash attack, spin attack etc

[proper furnace]

Generally you focus on your cast
Attack can do good dmg but it falls off

[verbal flicker]

Unless flurry I guess

[proper furnace]

Either start your cast of choice > 2nd keepsake to go for the duo
Or start tidal dash > experiment from there

Flurry is really good but still falls short compared to casts

[proper furnace]

If you find zeus grab his attack and go for athena cast/find ares go for arty attack and so on

[verbal flicker]

I was recommended ares cast and then there's another boon to power it up

If I get Artemis book they said

[proper furnace]

Hunting blades duo

Makes the cast faster and tracks enemies

[verbal flicker]

I'll go for that for my first run

What other duos affect cast?

Mirage

[verbal flicker]

Why Zeus and Athena? Do they have a duo?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

Makes athena's cast work like zeus's and bounces around

Without the duo is still pretty good dmg but the aoe is great

[verbal flicker]

Is it better than hunting blades?

[proper furnace]

Hunting blades is way better

But if we are talking both without duos I'd pick athena's

[verbal flicker]

Alr ty

[verbal flicker]

Also what aspect do you recommend for sword when I get my first one on it

[proper furnace]

Nemesis

[verbal flicker]

Okay

[proper furnace]

Poseidon is more "I don't like sword but I need sword wins"

[verbal flicker]

Is stubborn roots horrible or op I cannot tell

[plain river]

Pretty mid

[frigid sentinel]

anyone got any good builds for spear?

[cinder fog]

I am returning player so I forgot alot about the game but what keepsake should I use for the final biome?

[rotund sluice]

I use Eurydice’s acorn

[proper furnace]

Acorn/sigil of the dad if Speedrunning always good

[modern falcon]

acorn is top tier

that or tooth ig but acorn is better imo

[cinder fog]

Ic ty

[mighty thorn]

I like using acorn more than tooth

If im trying something new and I know that im not playing the best then I go tooth

[verbal flicker]

Is flurry slash good?

[proper furnace]

Not really

Main downside is that makes dash strikes even more unsafe

No matter how little you press the attack, it causes a standard attack to come out after every dash strike

[zenith fractal]

*(unless you do another dashstrike right after or release the attack button long before the ds ends, but that takes releasing the button quite fast. Easier to ignore this for simplicity of explanation 👍)

[proper furnace]

Nerds 🙄 /j

[mighty thorn]

Whats yalls favorite build to do?

[mighty thorn]

True omg so damn nerdy

Only nerds play this game

[verbal flicker]

I haven't been playing for long but either any hard hitting cast with Hera bow or merciful end

On sword specifically

[rotund sluice]

Merciful end fists, then Dionysus bonk Achilles

[verbal flicker]

Do you have any tips on achilles

It didn't really click for me

[rotund sluice]

Get flurry jab if you can

[proper furnace]

Get flurry jab
If no flurry jab
Try again

[verbal flicker]

How does that play in with the special

Cause wouldn't you want harder hitting attacks

Idk

[proper furnace]

Generally you just double tap it

[rotund sluice]

Apart from that, remember to special as much as you can-
Flurry jab is broken, the special buff attack

[proper furnace]

And no, while the attack buff is nice

[mighty thorn]

Yes, beautiful

[proper furnace]

You end up using your casts as your main source

[rotund sluice]

If you don’t get flurry jab, I just go cast build

[verbal flicker]

The special or flurry jsb?

[proper furnace]

+150% on casts is broken

[proper furnace]

Special

[rotund sluice]

Either hunting blades or Dionysus bonk for me

[mighty thorn]

I was today years old when I found out that Mirage Shot doesnt give the second cast reduced damage on Beowulf shield. It doubles it. Now I see another reason why its considered to be the best aspect in the game

[proper furnace]

Special x 2 > if you have flurry just hold attack and dash twice, this uses all the charges

[rotund sluice]

Bugowulf

[proper furnace]

Hera also gets the bug but only with dio cast funny enough

Aaaand even funnier

Dio on beowulf also has an even funnier bug

[mighty thorn]

Interesting

I need to unlock beowulf asap

[proper furnace]

Poms are worth double on trippy flare but only on beowulf

[mighty thorn]

I also wanna mess with aspect of demeter

[proper furnace]

Hera uses trippy flare too but doesn't get the poms

So the first pom normally gives +60
On beo it gives +120

[rotund sluice]

I acknowledge that it is likely the best aspect in the game
It’s also my worst weapon by far

[mighty thorn]

Lmao it be like that

Shield is my least used weapon. I've barely used it ever still

I still need escape with the rail and shield

Those are the only weapons I havent done so yet

[jolly chasm]

I also acknowledge that Beo is the best weapon in the game, but I would say it is also my best weapon :croven:

[plain river]

See like

I had this problem

and then I figured out that Charged Flight is also a really silly hammer

If you don’t want to learn how to play beo

[rotund sluice]

And you just decided “instead of yeeting casts, I yeet the shield”

[jolly chasm]

:(

[jovial hamlet]

How to get hunting blades no matter how many times i try i never get them

Even though I have all prerequisites boons

[zenith fractal]

Are you picking up the demeter+ares duoboon (freezing vortex) as well? It isn't mentioned anywhere in-game, but the two are mutually exclusive; having one of them locks you out of the other.

[jovial hamlet]

No I'm not picking any other duo boons

Idk maybe the game just hates me lmao

[jovial hamlet]

All right bro i finally I got..I can't share ss seems like my lvl is low in this server

Basically I was ignoring all other gods boons

Expect ares and Artemis

[zenith fractal]

Ah, yeah that would do it

Let me introduce you to the concept of a "god pool"

#h1-builds-and-combat message

Due to this godpool mechanic, having met 4 gods or more actually increases your odds of seeing the gods you want

[proper furnace]

there's no level in the server btw, there's just no image perms

you need to use embeds (imgur or sending the img in another channel then right click, copy link)

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh i understand

Btw how many successful escapes

We need

For epilogue

I did 20 successful

Escapes

Got credits rolling at 9th escape

But epilogue??

[jovial hamlet]

Ok understand

[zenith fractal]

epilogue's unlock condition is quite unrelated to clears, outside of needing to have seen credits first

[zenith fractal]

no, 10th

credits happen after 10th win

[jovial hamlet]

Mm don't know on my 9th escape pershephone and I went to tarturus with Chiron boat 😂

[jovial hamlet]

Do we need to complete

Characters arcs

By giving nectars

??

[zenith fractal]

you miscounted, it is 10

[jovial hamlet]

Alr which is the best weapon and build for high heat runs..I'm kind of bored using sheild..I love spear and rail gun but I take a lot of damage.. while using them lol

[plain river]

Weapon is whichever weapon you want to use really

the better question is usually which aspect for that weapon

like sword really likes nemesis, spear is achilles & Guan-Yu, shield is zeus and beo, bow is hera and rama, fists is demeter and rail is hestia and eris

The reason some weapons use 2 is there’s a massive amount of heat that both aspects are really good for, but then one of them falls off like beo or hera suffering from losing cast stones with RI etc

[jovial hamlet]

I personally don't like zeus shield it is clunky..get stuck at one place not at all efficient when bosses are moving

[jovial hamlet]

Achilles is peak..I love Chiron bow personally..fists are mid without proper hammer upgrades same with rail gun too

[glossy acorn]

For beowulf shield, which casts should I look out for?

Festive fog maybe?

[kindred salmon]

About the testament and nightmares

I beat 1 boss and got 11 fears. How to spend the fear to upgrade weapon?

[rotund sluice]

Wrong game~

[rotund sluice]

Trippy flare or Poseidon’s flare

Those are the main ones

[plain river]

You do realise you can call it back to you whenever you want?

[modern falcon]

i also don't like it

[modern falcon]

yeah but idk, never liked it

[jovial hamlet]

Aphrodite and dionysis both are great

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh it's peak tho

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh but it ruins my immersion bro I'm not doing geometry to assign my shield position lmao 😂😭

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh..what's ur favourite aspect btw for shield ??

[modern falcon]

beo is great

before that i just used zag shield

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh i today use bewulf damn we can literally delete bosses in 3-4 shots lmao

What do u think about chaos sheild?

It's my personal favourite with merciful end

Super fun

[modern falcon]

haven't used it much, might have to try it then!

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh don't forget to get merciful end..keep ares special

After dash multiple sheilds throw

Multiple dooms

Just dash with athena instant damage

[modern falcon]

yeah, im planning better now so i'll keep it in mind

[jovial hamlet]

Good

Whats ur favourite build btw

Like i personally love merciful end chaos sheild

[modern falcon]

beo with either flood flare or the dio cast (forgot the name)

and pos dash is amazing

[jovial hamlet]

I see

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh we can clear rooms

With in Seconds

But I personally love Athena dash

Favourite duo boon??

[modern falcon]

oh yeah, athena dash is amazing as well

pos dash is op in styx

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh fr those fat rats are so annoying

[modern falcon]

and athena dash is great against those tiny chariots that explode in elysium

hate those things

[jovial hamlet]

That big rat which throws poison shot i hate it sm😭

[modern falcon]

reall

[modern falcon]

well meriful end is amazing ofc

[jovial hamlet]

I just block my shield lmao

They get blasted automatically

[jovial hamlet]

Hunting blades also

[modern falcon]

i actually haven't unlocked too many of them so i don't feel like im qualified to have an opinion lol

i really need to plan my runs more

[jovial hamlet]

Ooops how many runs you

Have

[modern falcon]

true, i do that as well

[jovial hamlet]

Successful

Runs

[modern falcon]

uhh

i think like 15 around maybe? total runs is like 100+ i forgot exactly how many

i could check but im lazy lol

cleared 16 heat recently so that was fun!

[jovial hamlet]

Omg ur FRR?my highest run was 6 heat 😭

[modern falcon]

maybe i'd get higher heat clears if i stopped maxxing jury summons but i like killing a bunch of em at once

[jovial hamlet]

But I have 21 successful runs 😝

[jovial hamlet]

I personally love em

[modern falcon]

you'll get higher ones trust! keep playing, it gets easier

[jovial hamlet]

Highest i picked em3

[modern falcon]

ough em3

so annoying

i need to get better at that fight

[jovial hamlet]

I think I didn't have high heat cos I try different weapons for each run lmao

[jovial hamlet]

With bewulf it's super easy

Like wait lemme checkout my stats

[modern falcon]

oh yeah, that might be it lol

i basically always play with shield

have cleared with sword and fists tho

[modern falcon]

oo congrats!!

[jovial hamlet]

Rail gun:3
Bow:4
Fists:3
Shield:8(yeh i fw it lol)
Spear:1
Sword:1

[jovial hamlet]

I hate sword and fists

Lmao

It's so annoying i take

Lot of damage while using

Them

😭

I just use stubborn roots

[modern falcon]

woah, i have never cleared with any long range weapons lol

can't do it

[modern falcon]

oh good idea

[jovial hamlet]

U should try aspect of Chiron it is oopppp

[modern falcon]

dash-strike till u win 🫶

nem sword is best

special + dash strike

[modern falcon]

sure!

[jovial hamlet]

I can somehow handle fists but sword omg it is nightmare for me..it is super slow

Which build

U use

For sword generally

[jovial hamlet]

I personally feel stubborn roots are underrated..no body talk about this duo boon.. really good for survival

Have you ever gave try for it?

[modern falcon]

i have used it before yes

it is good

ig as players get better and better they take less damage so it isn't as useful to them

like i used to rely on acorn for every fight but now i can play without it

[modern falcon]

uh well nem sword

then i try and get art on special

for even more crit

art is great with nem imo

tho someone more experienced might have a better idea lol

[jovial hamlet]

Artemis is like gambling

Mostly rng

Btw have

You got epilogue

[plain river]

?!?

aight

I can’t really learn Zeus for you but I feel like a decent amount of the thinking is just “oh my shield stopped getting value where it is let me recall it rn so I can throw it out again for more value”

Ofc there’s a fair amount where you can dash to have it recall in a way that will guaranteed deal damage to enemies on it’s way back and the damage radius of explosive return is massive

[jovial hamlet]

But majority bosses moves alot so I don't feel much efficient.. calling and throwing feels slow

[waxen dragon]

Spread shot on rail seems less safe, plays more like a close range shotgun

[upper oar]

If you can only get one, which duo is best for Dionysus attack fists? Aphro or Ares. I'm still trying to get a run with both + pressure points but you know, lots of stuff needs to line up lol

[plain river]

Aphro

[plain river]

It’s really solid for zag rail, and can be used on eris to some effect, since they play at melee range anyways

It’s going to be more effective a lot of the time to not take it but it can be a really fun option and the extra base damage does make up for it if you hit chaos +% and global damage +%’s

like here is my most recent run using it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1413285194961780766/3EC2CADF-8DA7-4F46-B0E3-66DF720F90F8.jpg?ex=69505968&is=694f07e8&hm=2227d16a835f6fe62a42944560c59f3b774d530db53ecd4f94f278b9a1ae3468&

It’s practically a standard/ regular zag rail lightning build with the only thing that I changed being I took a chaos strike boon where otherwise I probably would’ve taken something else

[jovial hamlet]

Damn..how the hell u cleared in 7 min 💀..my highest speed was 30min

[tight basin]

Hit buttons fast and game knowledge lmao

[modern falcon]

yeah

[last bolt]

7 mins, I was patting myself on the back for finishing in 14 lmao

[plain river]

my gameplay is unpolished enough for this to be my speed pb but

I don’t think zag rail conventionally takes spreadfire for speedrunning

But

it’s generally just like 3 things
make better build decisions
Have better combat skill
make better room decisions

[rotund sluice]

Bro bet my record by 90 seconds with zag rail and zag bow

[plain river]

and a healthy dose of luck but that luck can be supplemented by just doing more runs

[plain river]

It’s still stupid that my zag rail pb beats both my main aspect of zag bow and the better speed aspect for rail in eris

[rotund sluice]

I should start playing again…

[vague stag]

I just bought it and started for the first time

Should have bought thisbyears ago

[mighty thorn]

how do i unlock aspect of beowulf?

[modern falcon]

first, unlock aspect for spear

you do this by investing at least 5 blood in spear aspects

and then speaking to achilles till he gives you the line

once you unlock that, invest at least 5 blood in shield aspects

then talk to choas till they give you the line to unlock

hope this helps!

[mighty thorn]

thank you

[plain river]

You will need to talk to Chaos with the shield equipped and have him acknowledge it before he can give you the dialogue line to awaken the aspect

after that shield line though you can use whichever weapon you want

[waxen dragon]

I was playing Eris and it was tough to adjust to the range

[waxen dragon]

Gosh what heat? I can barely maintain sub 20 minute on 21 heat

[plain river]

Optimal speedrun pact is 9 heat (FO2 and EM2) for in-game time

real time speedrun categories want a level of tight deadline to remove the survival rooms in tartarus

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok. I have the 7 minute tight deadline

[jovial hamlet]

I love sheild what would be best build for speed run at 7heat

[plain river]

Which aspects do you have at your disposal

[jovial hamlet]

Choas and bewulf

[plain river]

Beowulf by far

Chaos is def the slowest shield

Beowulf is the fastest

[jovial hamlet]

I usually miss lot of bewulf shot during hades fight

That buildozer keep running at me lmao

[plain river]

flood flare from pos has major aoe on beowulf, and taking artemis strike lets you find mirage shot which is coded improperly for pretty much all the flares to do 100% of the damage instead of 30%

[jovial hamlet]

Mirage shot duo boon? Poseidon and Artemis?

[plain river]

Yeah

[plain river]

Luckily these guys don’t show up too often during the 2 parts where Hades does summon adds, and beowulf should shred them anyways

[jovial hamlet]

How is gameplay? Load fasts->drop shot repeat?

[plain river]

charged shot is like the #1 hammer for beowulf since it makes your charge infinitely faster

[plain river]

Pretty much, you get a handle on how many casts you need to use for a given target as you play more

[jovial hamlet]

I think I was trying to beat hades at em3 that is why it is making so much difficult

[plain river]

em3 doesn’t affect hades

[jovial hamlet]

Idk but he keep summoning vehicle and throwing skulls at me lmao

For me phase 1

Is harder than phase 2

Lol

[plain river]

They can only summon enemies at the 2 break points for the fight

and honestly like

Beowulf will give you the damage to nuke down his break points super fast

[jovial hamlet]

Does bewulf has hammer upgrade? Like normally we get charged shot

For sheild

Where we don't move

[plain river]

yes it does

charged shot works exactly the same way on beowulf, so it’s a significant damage buff and charge speed buff

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh but I need to practice landing bewulf shot correctly i always over charge and ended up landing at the wrong position lmao

[jovial hamlet]

But I never get that lmao..I always get bs hammer upgrades

Do u use mode? Like we can keep whatever hammer upgrade we want

😂

[plain river]

I genuinely haven’t learned how to play beowulf and I have an 8:32 with it so like.

[plain river]

Nah I play on my switch most of the time so I can’t run mods unless I want to jailbreak it

[jovial hamlet]

Bro saying he didn't learn with bewulf and have 8:32 record 😭🙏

[plain river]

but the speedrun modpack is pretty popular for pc gamers

that’s because beowulf is that stupid

[jovial hamlet]

Omg switch users exist in this economy

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh but I'm unable to run that mode 🥀

[plain river]

I did an off-meta charged flight (charged special hammer instead of using casts) build because I was trying to get a sub9 with beo and it was a forced first hammer option so I went “hey wouldn’t this be really funny” and it worked

[jovial hamlet]

And I also suck at using aspects of lucifer

Any good build tips for it

[plain river]

use your special more and try to explode the bombs asap

build +% special and use lightning strike and other damaging dashes to hit the bombs to make them explode

[jovial hamlet]

What does mean by sub9

[plain river]

triple bomb is the best hammer and it’s pretty consistent because you have a 1/3 chance of getting it first hammer and at worst a 3/8 chance of getting it second hammer

[plain river]

below 9 minutes

[jovial hamlet]

Special take eternity to land unless i have triple shot hammer upgrade

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh fr

[plain river]

triple bomb doesn’t change the flight time

[jovial hamlet]

But I can land

3 bombs at a time

[plain river]

100 base damage is a massive amount to be working with per bomb so you should be kinda chilling

• as long as it’s upgraded

[jovial hamlet]

Which special is good? For lucifer I'm thinking aphrodite n

Instant burst damage

[plain river]

Aphro is definitely the most consistent, artemis is gambling on you finding a lot of +% elsewhere like chaos and hermes but does have a higher ceiling, and athena isn’t that bad

you want to start out with zeus strike so you just take who you can get for your special ngl

[plain river]

demeter is like the cope 4th pick and poseidon is like down in the trenches as a 5th pick

[jovial hamlet]

Is the Athena special good? It just does deflect.. damage is okkish

[jovial hamlet]

I'm thinking to take pos attack zeus special to farm sea storm

Is it good!

?

[plain river]

so it goes like
Aphro: base 80% special
Pos: base 70%
Athena & dem: base 60%

Rarities multiply them by 1.3-1.5 / 1.8-2.0 / 2.3-2.5

So athena is fairly solid damage and can really benefit from deadly reversal since she has a lot of built-in damage to take advantage of that crit chance

[plain river]

So this is definitely a meme build, and I’d much rather put zeus on anything other than special here for a Super Soaker build, but it does actually work

to some extent

[jovial hamlet]

I mean

Sea storm is kinda fire tho

[jovial hamlet]

What does deadly reversal do

[proper furnace]

On deflect gain +20% global crit chance for 2s

[jovial hamlet]

Oh i see

[proper furnace]

The issue with pos attack + sea storm is the journey to the duo lol

[jovial hamlet]

It would be good with lucifer special athena

[proper furnace]

Pos attack is just, not good and it will be a slog

[jovial hamlet]

Wdym..u mean it's hard to get?

[proper furnace]

That you need more boons, and thus more chambers to go through before having a chance at getting it

Zeus attack works as good as sea storm and you can get that chamber 1

[jovial hamlet]

I actually got early but I died on that run during hades em3 lmao

[jovial hamlet]

But sea storm works for knock back

Isnt

[proper furnace]

The knockback with lucifer attack is not that good

Tidal dash is a much better poseidon boon anyways

[jovial hamlet]

I mostly use attack for lucifer.. using special kinda slow

[proper furnace]

Highest dmg dash and it allows you to detonate your bombs instantly

[jovial hamlet]

Oh i see

Ur saying drop bombs

Use Poseidon dash

[proper furnace]

(also yeah, luci bombs detonate on any dmg)

Not only your attack

Is why triple bomb is great

For comparison the other rails have a combo of cluster bomb + rocket bomb which has 400 base dmg

[jovial hamlet]

Attack:zeus special: poseidon dash: posidon cast!!?

[proper furnace]

Triple bomb + max lvl luci has 300 dmg and only needs 1 hammer instead

[plain river]

I have some clip of me using pos dash with luci somewhereee

[proper furnace]

I'd go for arty or aphro special instead

[jovial hamlet]

I don't get triple bomb lmao

[proper furnace]

The thing about sea storm

Is a nice duo for sure

[jovial hamlet]

In yt!?

[proper furnace]

But not worth to force yourself to go for it

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1449737975616372736/2025082808014601-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mov?ex=695077f4&is=694f2674&hm=198508cb305e98336d2a2ffc68cf159d5f6dce45d64d7482627d90704019fa5f&

No on discord

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh it has great burst damage tho

Zeus aphrodite duo also kidna fire tho

Call spam

[proper furnace]

True!

[plain river]

Athena is cope but it’s not that bad especially when you don’t really have a choice in tartarus

[proper furnace]

Arty-zeus always nice too

[jovial hamlet]

Drop bombs and dash?!

[proper furnace]

Cuz you are already taking zeus boons (need call or something if you want double strike tho)

[plain river]

deal damage with dash and deal damage with bombs by having dash hit bombs tends to work pretty effectively

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh..btw the clip u shared..what special it was??

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh imaa gonna try it now

[proper furnace]

Arty

[plain river]

Green > pretty sure it was artemis but it’s been a second

Yeah

That’s definirely artemis

[jovial hamlet]

Is it efficient

!?

[proper furnace]

Crit good

[jovial hamlet]

I don't like rng

Artemis

[plain river]

You attack so much in Hades that crits are bound to pop off

[proper furnace]

Arty wants you to get extra dmg from other sources basically, to make up for the lower %

So go visit your friendly chaos

Or hermes hyper sprint + rush delivery

[plain river]

especially with triple bomb and especially when you have extra +% damage and I’m fairly certain I had rush delivery here

[plain river]

A lot of weapons will happily take artemis

for cores

not to mention every single aspect at least liking her for her secondaries

[proper furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1230649734008672347/1454442025167622225/Screenshot_20251227-085256.Firefox.png?ex=69511a31&is=694fc8b1&hm=f3b891476e3fb90fc8dea0e38e0a96fb5fb167be0f3d977b59e8dd12ed68eedc&

(just in case)

[jovial hamlet]

Alright guys stop confusing me 😭..tell me exact build i need to go for lucifer keep that in the mind I'm greedy instead of dashing I luv standing and giving damage and taking damage lmao

[plain river]

“Giving damage and standing” is like an oxymoron in Hades

[jovial hamlet]

Ikik

Kinda looks

Cool

[plain river]

lucifer is the only aspect that doesn’t benefit THAT much from dashing because it lacks a dash strike

[jovial hamlet]

With rail gun

Standing at long and giving attack

Usually I do lot

Of dash

With sheild

But with lucifer i take a lot of damage

[proper furnace]

You need to let go of the attack to dodge with lucifer

Otherwise your dash has no iframes

[jovial hamlet]

Im not saying i love dash strike

I like spraying

Laser

With lucifer

[proper furnace]

That's the other thing, you do wanna dash with luci, all weapons really

Being a sitting duck is bad

Dashing while holding attack will not stop your attack

[jovial hamlet]

I must change my gameplay aah bro

[proper furnace]

Because luci doesn't have a dash strike

(I mean this, it can't even get the dash strike dmg boon from chaos lol)

[plain river]

Tends to happen when you start saying “guys how do I avoid these problems that come up with my playstyle”

[zenith fractal]

WAIT WHAT

til

[proper furnace]

No hunter dash either lol

[plain river]

TODAY YOU LEARNED LUCI has no dash-strike 🥀

[jovial hamlet]

Ok bro 😭🙏will change

[jovial hamlet]

U guys all got it wrong bro i never said I love dash strike

[plain river]

No I was talking to Alex

[jovial hamlet]

I love standing and spraying laser with luci

[jovial hamlet]

Ook

[plain river]

I was surprised

[jovial hamlet]

What is it 💀?

[proper furnace]

Artemis's dash boon

It increases your dash strike dmg

[plain river]

Artemis dash just adds raw +% to your dash strikes instead of giving you a damaging dash

so no dash-strikes = no hunter dash damage boost

[jovial hamlet]

Ok understood

[plain river]

and luci cannot dash-strike so it can’t benefit from it

[jovial hamlet]

Btw am i being boomer or I'm right..I feel Artemis dash is mid

[plain river]

it’s only good on like

a few select aspects

and even then tidal dash is right there

[zenith fractal]

Exception: rama

[plain river]

Pretty much

[jovial hamlet]

Ok bro attack:zeus
Special: aphrodite
Dash:pos/Athena
Call: zeus

We good?

[proper furnace]

Pretty much

[zenith fractal]

(Any %-based special works, pretty open on that)

[proper furnace]

From hermes grab either greatest reflex (+dashes) or hyper sprint (+100% move speed after a dash) + rush delivery (speed is converted into dmg)

[jovial hamlet]

I always grab a side hustle tho 😝😂

Ok for bewulf
Attack:idk
Special:idk
Cast: aphrodite
Call: idk

[zenith fractal]

Attack or special: artemis
Cast: poseidon
Dash: irrelevant
Call: leave this empty, filling this reduces your odds of getting hyper sprint and rush delivery from hermes

There is an alternate build-path with aphrodite cast where none of the other coreboons really matter, but due to being weaker on average it is only ever used in high heat

[jovial hamlet]

Mm why Artemis tho?it's kinda rng

[plain river]

artemis strike opens mirage shot

which you really want

[jovial hamlet]

Ok understood

[zenith fractal]

Mirage Shot duoboon is bugged on beowulf* to deal far more damage than it should, second projectile with 100% of damage as opposed to 30%

*(with exceptions)

[plain river]

all your damage is really coming from your cast

[jovial hamlet]

What is hyper sprint and rush delivery

[plain river]

That crit chance also has a chance to flex its mileage with the built in additive it gets from loading a cast

[zenith fractal]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[plain river]

Hermes boons, one is double movespeed after dashing, other is gain global +% based on your extra movespeed

[jovial hamlet]

Global+% means it will increase Damage for any attack?

[zenith fractal]

"Global" means it affects all of your damage output

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh i was saying that

[proper furnace]

Basically anything that comes from zag

(so no summons dmg nor trap dmg)

Actually dumb question for that, does global work on deflect dmg lol

[zenith fractal]

Yes

[proper furnace]

Neat

Was thinking if you needed global or universal

[zenith fractal]

Deflect hitbox is a square (with zag as its damage-source) just like basically everything else in hades 😌

[proper furnace]

Sgg were cowards for not making lucifer attack have the whole beam as a deflector hitbox /j

[jovial hamlet]

What is the difference between global and universal

[proper furnace]

The latter affects non zag dmg sources

You can see the difference in game on the wording

"you deal more dmg" (global) vs "the enemy takes more dmg" (universal)

Or with artemis boons
Pressure points "you have a chance to deal critical dmg" / "your enemies are more likely to take critical dmg"

(which yes, hunter's mark allows summons to crit which is funny)

[plain river]

Traps are a non-zag damage source that’ll get boosted by universal, but not global, for example

[proper furnace]

Or make Than Encounters crit with his 9999 dmg

[proper furnace]

Tbf we have a funnier item for trap dmg

[jovial hamlet]

Omg i never thought it was this deep

I started playing from 15 days

How much time its been u guys started playing!?

[proper furnace]

Uhhh, 2020 iirc?

I started playing when the switch version came out

[plain river]

like 5 years ish?

I started playing around the same time but only started talking here like 2022

[proper furnace]

I don't remember when I joined here lol

[jovial hamlet]

Omg no wonder u guys got PhD in every boon/weapon build lmao

[proper furnace]

Don't you forget
We are here, forever

[jovial hamlet]

Ik hunting blades merciful end stubborn roots.. cleared heat 7 in 15days.. thought I am cracked..until I saw @plain river stats 😭🙏

[jovial hamlet]

Btw to get epilogue

We need complete

Character arcs

By giving

Nectar

[plain river]

dw I’m also always trying to get better I’m still a long way off from the real gamers

[plain river]

Yep

[jovial hamlet]

Wdym bro.. probably ur stats were the most cracked i have seen lmao

[plain river]

I still have 2-2:30 minutes to shave before I’m in the big leagues 🥀

And my heat numbers are atrociously low ngl

[jovial hamlet]

Wht ppl can clear hades in 2 mins 😭?

[proper furnace]

Uhh do you have the "queen's plan" prophecy already?

[jovial hamlet]

Yeh i have 21 successful escapes and got credits

But I saw in yt where all gods

Do feast

[proper furnace]

Aight
Yeah you need to get the bond with 6* out of the 8 olympians for the next part

[jovial hamlet]

I didnt got that

[proper furnace]

You do this by gifting 6 nectar to them, then a certain task for them that allows you to gift ambrosia

(each favor is on the wiki)

[plain river]

No like I need to take that much off my times

but also

yes in run control

which is far different from running generically

2 minutes in-game time

[proper furnace]

While you need 6 gods, you only need to do 5 bonds as demeter counts as one by reaching her lock

[jovial hamlet]

Can I ignore cerebrus

Right for now

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[jovial hamlet]

Omg

What is world record

Speed run btw

In hades

[proper furnace]

(technically it caaaan help for dio's favor but eh)

[plain river]

Depends on your category

I think the unmodded anyheat wr is 5:11 rn?

modded is like 4:50 something

run control is like 2 minutes

[jovial hamlet]

What is run control

[neon fog]

hi i'm not really sure how to phrase this, but does ravenous will trigger before attacking if i fully stack charges on aspect of hera?

[proper furnace]

yup

[neon fog]

gotcha thankies

[jovial hamlet]

how to share ss ? btw i did it with bewulf i got both mirage shot and sea storm haah @proper furnace @plain river

[proper furnace]

you can use a private discord or dms to send the image, then right click, copy link

[jovial hamlet]

Mm?? I cant share ss in server??

[proper furnace]

there's no image permissions but there's embed permissions

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1454492436460994741/image.png?ex=69514924&is=694ff7a4&hm=0da3fabc13b5743284999b7e090e62c3249b0280590df3251d546fd347ab672e&

[jovial hamlet]

Well how can I farm png file in my pc to link 🧐

[proper furnace]

.

basically send the image somewhere else first

or use sites like imgur that host images

[jovial hamlet]

https://discord.com/channels/@me/1444714337276268678/1454493107113693365

are u able to see pic 😂

[proper furnace]

You pressed copy message link instead

Make sure you are right clicking the image and "copy link"

[jovial hamlet]

mm im using personal dm but when i do right click in copy option there is only copy message link

[proper furnace]

dm me the pic

[jovial hamlet]

Wait a second my uncle calling 🥀

[jovial hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444714337276268678/1454493106786402598/Screenshot_2.png?ex=695149c3&is=694ff843&hm=bf0765073bb7ce0c79b5bfccebad68f693d9fdc499bfd7c88acddd556f0fe00d

[jovial hamlet]

got it

[jolly chasm]

Really late, but modded wr is 4:30 and unmodded wr is 5:04

[pure shale]

how do you get there? like what button do u press

[plain river]

That’s a victory screen but the button to pull up your inventory (aka everything but the stats on the right) is minus on controller and I can’t remember on kbm

Pause and check controls for “inventory” if you’re a pc gamer for the button

[proper furnace]

(is B)

[livid ravine]

What is the best weapon if such a thing even exists?

[jovial hamlet]

Bewolf Sheild

[livid ravine]

Ok thank you!

[rotund sluice]

For the record, while Beowulf has the best track record (particularly in speedrunning), it’s not always for you.
For example, I can’t stand the thing and I’ve invested enough into the game to have a sub 9 minute run (not godly, but decent at least). I know of other players who dislike the weapon too: just because the weapon is the best doesn’t mean it’s the best for you.

That being said, that thing goes crazy if you can learn how to use it

[pure shale]

ok ty

[pure shale]

ok ty

[frank goblet]

Rama bow is also a contender in terms of both heat and speed

[jovial hamlet]

Why did u felt like that cos it is slow? 🧐

Em 4 hades absolutely humbling man

[rotund sluice]

It’s the fastest weapon in the game
But to me, it feels clunky and unwieldy, even with charged shot

[waxen dragon]

Out of the reward choices of elixir, darkness, gems, which do you choose?

[proper furnace]

Assuming you have the work orders to upgrade them?
Nectar > gems > darkness

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I think I've maxed out all the things

[plain river]

Like realistically I’d probably take the same generic flowchart of Keys > Nectar > Gems > Diamonds for any blue laurel decisions

[proper furnace]

What modded version you have smh

(Diamonds)

[verbal flicker]

Keys over nectar?

Why?

[proper furnace]

More rerolls are always good

A random pom depends a lot on the current state of the run

If you have a worth pomming boon, chances it hits, how many levels the boon has already

Another reroll is more shots at duos/hermes great boons/chaos/charon wells

[plain river]

Rerolls are significantly more potent between boosting your odds for solid hermes boons, buying the buffs you want, and generally just finding more duos or boons you care about

[waxen dragon]

Also with the doors that have laurels and not and skulls, which to pick?

[waxen dragon]

Diamonds? I don't get those now, just darkness, gems, nectar, keys

[plain river]

I mean darkness

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?ex=6953178a&is=6951c60a&hm=f1d820aaacfa9e7b5141e2ee460ddc801cb8711a65b21e0c431289320226e213&

[waxen dragon]

I almost always do choose story, shop, boon (will prioritise this over story/shop if I need), chaos, key, nectar, darkness, gem (though I didn't know gems add obol until now, so may do gems then darkness)

Is there a way to always make the story room in the last biodome appear? I sometimes need the Styx premium to win

[proper furnace]

Pray

(no)

[digital gull]

Hello new here to the discord, I have two favorite weapons the shield with Zeus aspect and the rail. I am undecided on the aspect of this one atm. What are some good tips tricks and builds for them?

Also what is a good mirror set up? I’m not on heat runs yet still grinding normal runs.

[plain river]

Fiery/Shadow Presence depends on the weapon but usually fiery
Cthonic Vitalty > Dark Regen: way more consistent, more value, and value when it matters over your runs.
Death Defiance > Stubborn outside of high heat, where regular rooms are worse than boss fights
Greater Reflex: more dashes = more dash strikes = more dps, and mobility/defence
boiling blood: damage
Infernal vs Stygian: depends on the build
Deep pockets >>> golden touch: money now is more important (especially if it lets you buy a god you care about in tartarus) plus you should be using your obols frequently
Thick Skin > HC unless you’re speedrunning
Family Favourite for 99% of builds
Dark Foresight: 7 more gold laurel rewards is far more valuable than rare chance
Gods pride: duos are consistent enough if you know what you’re doing, take the upgraded boons(especially for hermes and chaos odds)
Fated Persuasion: rerolling hermes boons alone makes this so much better than authority, then factor in Chaos, wells, purging pools, regular boons, etc

[plain river]

Given both zeus shield and the rail are both really partial to zeus boons, I might input that static discharge (the zeus boon that makes enemies take a huge chunk of lightning damage when they attack) does a lot more dps than you’d thino

It can easily be 20-60% of your damage

[red iris]

What's the general consensus on Guan Yu? I'm trying to get 32 heat with it at the moment and I honestly don't know what to think about it

[proper furnace]

Really safe, good

Requires the good hammers but that's just spear in general

Charged skewer or quick spin + massive spin

[fathom iris]

Can someone give me a good Hera bow build?

[rough blade]

crush shot

and artemis

[fathom iris]

Is that a Daedalus hammer?

I’m new

[rough blade]

it's aphro cast

[fathom iris]

Ohh

Okay thank you

So aphro and Artemis

Wait what from Artemis

[rough blade]

most of her boons will help actually, like arty attack, hunters mark, pressure points, exit wounds, support fire, or the legendary

[fathom iris]

Thank you

So basically I just focus on getting my cast?

[rough blade]

you want to equip rose and get aphro cast boon 1 actually

its damage boost for your cast is best

[fathom iris]

I js spawned in and I got ares

Do I take his attack or dash?

Cause I’m saving my cast for aphro?

[rough blade]

attack if you want to high roll for merciful end
dash otherwise I think

[rough blade]

you now need to cross your fingers that the game does not fill your god pool in tartarus

[fathom iris]

I’m crossing my fingers rn

[fathom iris]

Also what is rose?

[jolly chasm]

Aphro keepsake

[fathom iris]

Ohh thanks

[plain river]

“Highroll for merciful end” on checks Hera 🤨

[fathom iris]

What’s better chain shot or explosive shot?

[jolly chasm]

Explosive is generally better

[fathom iris]

Does the game only allow me to get boons from 3 gods in my run?

I’ve only been getting Athena, hermes, and Artemis

[frank goblet]

4 gods (excluding hermes and chaos) however that can be also expanded by using a god's keepsake to force them to appear or very occasionally with boon bags and a god boon in a shop where you open the boon bag getting a god that wasnt in the god pool already and then that boon was another god that also happened to not be in your god pool

[fathom iris]

Thank you so much man I was so confused

That cleared up a lot for me

[waxen dragon]

Does storm lightning only affect electric shot? I don't think the attack or special does any chain lightning type attack

[tight basin]

attack does, special does not

[plain river]

Attack is chain lightning, and cast actually gets like 3 extra bounces from storm lightning

honestly though the main value from it is just opening splitting bolt thou

[waxen dragon]

I was trying it on Rama special but yeah I didn't notice it chaining

[waxen dragon]

Splitting bolt crucial for any Zeus build? I mostly thought it was all about static discharge

[plain river]

It’s more of a bonus on every zeus build

Inconsistent but a very solid damage boost

[waxen dragon]

I don't see it very often

[plain river]

I mean the requirements mean it’s a little out of the way and you’re going to have at the best of cases half as many shots at it as a duo

like

legendaries are intrinsically far rarer than duos

[terse loom]

My god Flurry + Cursed is obscene 😆

[proper furnace]

Flurry + cursed going into 2026 💔
(/J)

[valid mirage]

Do you guys prefer achilles or hades spear for just melee build (without a cast). I think Hades is better cause the debuff stays longer and lets me focus on killing enemies, a but I see people go all over achilles.

[proper furnace]

Achilles is just peam

(cuz it has access to flurry jab)

[valid mirage]

Ok, that's the main reason

[proper furnace]

Also if you want spin builds, hades debuff doesn't work with spins for whatever reason

[valid mirage]

Yeah, spin doesnt buff another spin.

Ok, so I'll stick with Achilles then

[dense junco]

i like using hades aspect because beating ||him with his own weapon makes me laugh||

[waxen dragon]

I see.

[fathom iris]

How is Achilles aspect good?

[zenith fractal]

slightly over double damage to all of your attacks and casts as long as the buff stays up, as well as a movement option about as versatile as 2 dashes. does that clear things up?

Achilles is one of the hardest aspects in the game to play at a high level, but it is stupid powerful

[fathom iris]

Yeah thank you

I mainly use bow rn so I’m opening up my options

[jolly chasm]

until ely lmao

[fathom iris]

I’m trying to get titans blood on the rail and the fists rn

[jolly chasm]

gets walled hard

[fathom iris]

Can someone recommend me a build for both?

[zenith fractal]

"I pretend I do not see it"

[zenith fractal]

a decent build guide for every aspect is findable in the pinned messages of this channel.

[fathom iris]

Oh thank you

[dense junco]

just unlocked the first hidden aspect... two questions

are they considered better than the normal aspects?

is there more lore i will learn? cause what the hell is a guan yu.. sounds east asian lol

[proper furnace]

Depends.

All hidden aspects are from different mythologies

[dense junco]

is there any lore reason why or is just like.. an easter egg

[fathom iris]

I tried to make some of the builds from that build guide in pins

Ik for sure it’s js me who sucks

But those builds did NOT work for me

[unborn torrent]

im new in h1 and i need help with what weapon is busted and which aspect

[plain river]

Sword: nemesis (main functionality is gained at level 1, subsequents just improve it)
Spear: achilles (needs a few more levels)
Shield: zeus (main functionality at level 1)
Bow: hera (lvl 1 functionality) zag (needs more levels, also isn’t as crazy absurd but is less input heavy)
Fists: demeter (needs more levels)
Rail: eris (always good) or hestia (hestia needs lots of levels)

choose your weapon they’re all pretty viable so you can just take your favourite

[plain river]

Which ones did you try? They’re all at the bare minimum something that does cohesively make sense and will be better than randomly throwing stuff together

[waxen dragon]

Is there any benefit in using the same god boon more that once?

[proper furnace]

you mean the keepsake? if so, you still keep the rarity bonus (and thus extra epic/duo chance for that god too) but is not worth really

[fathom iris]

I tried Achilles, Zag fists, and Hera

[fathom iris]

I’m doing the zag rail build and it’s pretty good

I’m in the Theseus and Minotaur fight

And it’s not that bad

Also any tips for those bots in Elysium?

Like the sword

Bow

The shield

And the spear

[proper furnace]

the enemies you mean?

for bow/shield you can apply the same tips as for theseus (pay attention to the target on you to then go for cover) / approach shield so they attack and you can dash behind them

sword, more than anything do not walk at them or dash to them directly

they can attack super fast

[fathom iris]

Wow thank you for these tips man

[plain river]

Don’t they recommend multiple builds for each aspec

Just checked, it does (they reshuffled the website every so often so I wasn’t 100% sure)

so like just saying you used one of the achilles builds there means you could be using in of the ones thats like ok or a meta one and that’ll be a pretty big difference

[fathom iris]

I only have those aspects

[plain river]

Yeah but the website lists multiple builds for those each aspect and they aren’t all made equal

is what I’m saying

[errant bluff]

whats the website?

[plain river]

2nd or 3rd message pinned in this channel

It’s got a lot of information and then eventually you get down to using each aspect and it lists a couple builds for each

[errant bluff]

i found it thanks

is demeter still good if i have low titan blood

[proper furnace]

Just realize we have a lot less pinned things now in this channel

I liked the one that had the BP effects

[fathom iris]

Ohhh yeah I’m trying out different builds now

[waxen dragon]

Ooh what's it mean when Thanatos says "you made the board"? What board?

[unborn torrent]

besides shield what would u recommend ?

[valid mirage]

Damm, Ares on nemesis sword is so good.

[rotund sluice]

Use all of them, you need them to unlock aspects anyway

Then just pick the one that feels nicer

As Shackle mentioned, all the weapons in this game are viable

Shield is great, but even then some people can’t stand the thing (me, for example). Pick the one that fits your style.

[unborn torrent]

what do u enjoy ?

[fathom iris]

Whats a good build for Hera bow and Athena cast?

[fathom iris]

Like who should I put on special and attack?

[plain river]

Athena cast is a bit weird

for Hera

I mean you’d probably do zeus special for lightning phalanx but lightning phalanx can be a bit counter intuitive due to having to go on a goose chase afterwards to find your casts

artemis strike is always a good option for

[fathom iris]

Can you give me a good build for Hera?

Cause I want a good build to clear the game

[verbal flicker]

Poseidon and aphro are probably the best casts

For Dio personally I like it but I've heard people that don't

[verbal flicker]

(in my experience)

[fathom iris]

Oh bet thanks

[fathom iris]

Ive used it and it was really good

[plain river]

Aphro cast + snow burst from demeter

that’s pretty much the core of whay you need, you can add in artemis strike and tidal dash for mirage shot while getting best in slot strike/ dash

[verbal flicker]

What's Artemis strike?

[plain river]

Deadly strike from artemis

like

her strike boon (the core that buffs your strikes)

[verbal flicker]

Dash boon?

[plain river]

. tidal dash

[fathom iris]

Idk why Demeter hasn’t appeared yet for me

[plain river]

aphro cast and snow burst from demeter are the real core components, you can make it work with any +% strike and whatever dash, but artemis strike and tidal dash are your best options

[plain river]

She can only show up after you’ve made it to the surface for the first time

[fathom iris]

Any alternatives to Demeter?

[plain river]

just run this without snow burst

Snow burst is really strong for hera but it’ll work just fine without it

[verbal flicker]

Oh her attack boon

I never heard it called strike before

[fathom iris]

Oh bet thanks

[plain river]

Every strike core is called “{adjective} strike” and the moves are called strikes and dash-strikes like

[fathom iris]

Idk why but with the bow I get overwhelmed by the enemies super easily

[plain river]

Are you dash-striking

[fathom iris]

Nah

[plain river]

[fathom iris]

Do I dash strike and hold it down?

[plain river]

yeah, dash then strike during your dash like you’d normally strike for bow

[verbal flicker]

I heard dash strike but I always called it normal attack, now I know

[plain river]

It’ll be significantly faster

[fathom iris]

Oh bet

Oh shoot that’s really good

I can’t wait to beat hades man

I can’t stand when hades himself laughs when I die

I’m just stuck on Theseus and the Minotaur right now

[plain river]

Here’s some dash-striking gameplay that kind of shows how much better it’d be

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=69551be2&is=6953ca62&hm=553a8ef8652b53d0c62e78a3ba2304ab6fe97d793cc9983bcb4ad39e8ec6ab0a&

[fathom iris]

WHAT THE FRICK

wait what build are you using in that clip

That’s crazy

Also what’s your favorite weapon?

[plain river]

Bow

[plain river]

Aphro strike / hydraulic might from poseidon and perfect shot hammer

[fathom iris]

Yeah same 🥹

[plain river]

It’s a pretty old clip I can’t really remember if I had anything else

[fathom iris]

I’ve never gotten perfect shot

[fathom iris]

Wait do you know if you were using privileged status?

[plain river]

It’s one of the best bow hammers, it’s not twin shot or anything but it is really useful

[fathom iris]

Is twin shot the best bow hammer?

[plain river]

Family favourites is better for a crit based zag bow build

Priv status is only usuable for aphro/snow burst hera and hangover builds

[fathom iris]

Oh okay

[plain river]

It’s like
Twin shot = triple shot > flurry shot => perfect shot = point blank shot >= explosive shot

[verbal flicker]

You're supposed to play from up close?

[plain river]

yeah

the only real ranged weapons in Hades are Guan-Yu, Hestia and Chiron

every other weapon is fast enough that it makes more sense to play up close, especially when you can use tidal dash

[fathom iris]

ohh thank you

[fathom iris]

Wait what should I do for defense?

[plain river]

Like for bow or in general?

I know I just glazed tidal dash a bunch but divine dash is just as powerful, just as a defensive tool instead of offensive

[fathom iris]

In general

Also for bow too

Cause I take so much damage during bosses

Like Theseus and minotaur

[plain river]

again you can use divine dash, a few builds will use divine dash for their damage because they’re using Merciful End and need divine dash to really abuse thenduo

hyper sprint from Hermes is always a great option because he’s always available since he’s not impacted by the god pool, and hyper sprint opens a huge damage option in rush delivery while giving you pretty much 100% uptime 30% damage reduction

[fathom iris]

Oh shoot bet thank you

[plain river]

Aphro is pretty splashable, and between weaks 30% damage reducation and hyper sprint you end up with 51% damage reduction

aka more than half

[fathom iris]

Nicee I’m in a game rn and I just got Dionysus

Idek what to pick from him

[plain river]

he’s got quite a few decent boons for any build

what are his options for you?

[fathom iris]

Drunken flourish

Premium vintage

After party

[plain river]

Dio flourish isn’t too bad here, I’m really partial to premium vintage

[fathom iris]

Okay bet ima take it

[verbal flicker]

Oh man merciful end does so much damage

Just melted Theseus and asterius

Is tooth or acorn better for Hades?

[plain river]

Acorn typically

[fathom iris]

Is flood shot good?

[plain river]

acorn also just gains 2x value when using heat so I’m a bit biased but it’s generally the best option for a defensive keepsake against Hades

[plain river]

Decent for hera

[fathom iris]

Do I take flood shot or Poseidons aid?

[plain river]

I used it for my pb because I didn’t want to manage my casts that well

[fathom iris]

They gave me tempest strike too

But I don’t wanna replace aphro strike

[plain river]

pos strike lowkey sucks

[fathom iris]

So flood shot?

[plain river]

pos call isn’t a bad option

is this hera or what

[fathom iris]

Yeah

[verbal flicker]

What about broken spear point

[plain river]

spear point is really for if you suck at styx rooms

you get like no value in the Hades fight with it

[fathom iris]

Wait should I take flood shot or poseidons aid for a hera build

[plain river]

Flood shot isn’t that bad of an option I’d take it

[fathom iris]

Yeah I took it

[plain river]

It’s a little weird to not just start your run with the cast you want

for Hera

[fathom iris]

Yo what’s better thunder dash or heavens vengeance

[plain river]

what’s the 3rd option?

[fathom iris]

Zeus aid

[plain river]

Zeus aid

[fathom iris]

Okay bet

[plain river]

Like given you already have dio in pool I’d be tempted to take zeus dash and aim for dio aid with smouldering air from aphro/zeus that makes you recharge minicalls in 5s but zeus is also a really solid dps call option

and he opens smouldering air for himself so it’s less gambly

[fathom iris]

Ohh okay thank you

[plain river]

Those 2 (zeus and dio) are your dps calls which you want to spam minicalls out for

[rotund sluice]

They’re also imo the two best calls in the game

Get some poms on them and they hit hard

Also sup Shackle

[fathom iris]

Wait I can get 2 calls?

[rotund sluice]

No, only one

But those are the two you wanna look out for

[fathom iris]

Ohhh

I got aphro in shop rn

Should I get her?

I could get smoldering air

I think

[rotund sluice]

YES

[fathom iris]

There’s also a Pom right next to her

[rotund sluice]

Wait what weapon, and what core boons do you have?

[fathom iris]

I got smoldering air

[fathom iris]

Hera

[rotund sluice]

HELLL YEAHH

[fathom iris]

Aphro strike

I got flood shot

Dio special