h1-builds-and-combat

[hollow roost]

doomstone always screws me at some point so i've conditioned myself to target crystals

gonna try arthur for the first time

[obtuse cedar]

whatd i even say

[hollow roost]

think it'll be my first shackle run

[obtuse cedar]

i used talos fists first few times i got to styx so i slammed everything into the walls, only things that messed me up kinda were the armored nuclear bomb pot and the armored rats bc i left them till after or something

[hollow roost]

sounds about right

also is my memory of enemy placements just bad or do other people struggle with finding the enemies on some asphodel rooms?

like i'll spend 10 seconds sometimes figuring out where they are at the start

[rotund sluice]

Muscle memory

[hollow roost]

ic i hope that improves for me across more runs

[obtuse cedar]

asphodel always drags my time down way more than it should tbh

[plain river]

This is what taking miniboss doors first isnfor

[obtuse cedar]

i feel like i just sit there sometimes

[plain river]

Time in hades is pretty locked down

Certain rooms and dialogue just don’t

[hollow roost]

more like I hate the gorgon and witches minibosses hovering over lava

hydra heads too

[obtuse cedar]

yeah but i didnt fight hades so that made the time less right?

oh wait nvm

[plain river]

Yeah

[obtuse cedar]

i see what youre saying

[hollow roost]

couldn't you check which run it was in the admin chamber?

[obtuse cedar]

i checked

i dont have any near 14m

[plain river]

that’s really weird

[obtuse cedar]

closest is ~16:30 or 16:40

[plain river]

Which weapon was it with

[obtuse cedar]

fists

[plain river]

you can check which aspect in the admin room

the other ledger

[obtuse cedar]

yeah closest i have is a 15:59 with talos fists

[rotund sluice]

Not bad

[obtuse cedar]

just confused on how theres a 5m difference between what the run i think my 14m is is, vs what its showing in admin room

[proper furnace]

Have you swapped to god mode before? Or swapped back to normal

[obtuse cedar]

nope

never touched god mode

[proper furnace]

Also re: this
Yeah igt counts during the credits iirc?

I've seen something like that mentioned in speedcord

[obtuse cedar]

but why would the 2 times be different between the fists thingy vs the admin room stuff

[proper furnace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obtuse cedar]

weird

[proper furnace]

That's why I asked about god mode, I know it tracks some stats differently

[obtuse cedar]

yeah i figured

as long as it shows somewhere im fine with it

[sinful crane]

I by does my Rama feel so buns is titan blood really important on it

[rotund sluice]

Rama feels “buns” because it’s very clunky if you use an attack build.
This clunky bow also hits like a goddamn nuclear air strike

Blood is nice, but not essential

[sinful crane]

So I shouldn’t use the attack build

I only hit for like 450 with perfect shot rn

[rotund sluice]

Oh you definitely should

Like, it’s Rama’s best build

It’s also just objectively slow

But if you dash strike and position yourself correctly you’ll be fine

[sinful crane]

Dang what’s the attack should I use on it I’m using heartbreak

[rotund sluice]

“Best” meaning highest dps. The special build (which you can run at the same time btw) is just safer.

[rotund sluice]

That or Hunter is the best one

Grab Hunter dash, thunder flourish, and as many chaos buffs as you can.
Also grab triple shot.
That build legitimately phased Hades for me.

[sinful crane]

Alr thanks for the help

[plain river]

Heart break is super uber solid

[frank goblet]

its literally the second fastest bow

[rotund sluice]

Slow as in charge time

Not in speedrunning speed

Should have specified

Also I thought it was faster then Hera, but it seems I was mistaken

[frank goblet]

yeah hera does beat it out

also the charge speed has never felt particularly slow for me idk

[plain river]

2.1x charge time

[frank goblet]

2.1x charge speed

idk rama is also the only bow ive only ever really touched

[plain river]

I’ve used zag bow too much for that

[frank goblet]

and every other bow except hera i play identically to rama

pseudotech is fake and cant hurt me

[plain river]

I tried to learn pseudotech before I realised my current control scheme makes it like

nigh impossible

[obtuse cedar]

i just gambled on a demeter boon and won big bc i was like 7 health and got the thing that makes things heal for more aswell as healing ~100 immediately

twin shot with explosive shot lets go

[sinful crane]

Came back to say I was using Rama wrong it is indeed a cannon

[rotund sluice]

: D

[obtuse cedar]

just coming back to this, just finished a run with arthur and it was apparently a new fastest at 15:35 so its not counted at end screen or admin room but in the fists aspect menu it is

[waxen dragon]

Wowsers ice wine hits hard

[rotund sluice]

Ikr

Love that thing

You can do upwards of 1k no crit

[waxen dragon]

Yeah was chunking up to 2k no crit

[rotund sluice]

2k? What build?

Maybe I need more poms

I run Achilles, mirage shot, ice wine, bad news

I only hit 2k with bad news, and that was once

[waxen dragon]

Mirage shot

And Achilles

And I think might have pom it a few times

[waxen dragon]

I think I also got some cast boosts from chaos

[slender burrow]

i tried achillies but i also use fiery presence so the special damages them so i get less damage from the cast (excluding the buff from the aspect

so i run aspect of posieden

[slender burrow]

why do you run stygian soul on a cast build?

[proper furnace]

Trippy shot takes forever to return your casts

(5s vs stygian's 3s)

It becomes more dependent on extra casts from chaos/charon well but it works better

[slender burrow]

that makes sense

came to the same conclusion after 5 seconds of thinking

[proper furnace]

It also applies to demeter's cast

Especially once you get and pom glaciar glare

[slender burrow]

yeah any cast that lingers for time

[plain river]

Fiery Presence and Shadow presence can’t affect casts anyways

Shadow can with a certain duo from athena and aphro but even then that’s pretty situational

[plain river]

? This seems like a really odd train of thought

[slender burrow]

posieden has +cast damage

[tight basin]

so does achilles

by a lot lmao

[plain river]

Achilles starts at +50% at level 1
Pos sword caps out at +50% at max level

And the achilles buff can apply to your strikes as well

and gets up to +150% by max level

[slender burrow]

im sorry i dont want to special twice when my build is cast

[tight basin]

you just hit the button twice as fast as possible

[slender burrow]

thats only 4 attacks

[plain river]

specialing twice takes 0.2 seconds

[tight basin]

less lol

[plain river]

You only have 3 cast stones

[tight basin]

hitting it twice is probably comparable to special on sword tbh

also you can rotate the 4 attacks/cast with special twice -> 2 dash strikes -> repeat

[slender burrow]

i would rather not use achillies

i don't like spear

[tight basin]

throw in casts and then repeat process

now not liking spear is a much more valid reason to not use achilles lmfao

[plain river]

Trying to argue for pos sword is a significantly harder arguement than just disliking using spear

one is a very very uphill battle and the other is a purely subjective fact

[tight basin]

yeah pos sword is objectively one of the less good aspects in the game (but still solid tbh) but achilles is like one of the top lmfao

[plain river]

I use 2 seconds to signify a negligible amount of time in like 95% of convos Hades is the one place where it is a significant amount of time

[tight basin]

was the first aspect to get a sub5 and has a near unbeatable record

[slender burrow]

sub 5 minutes? thats crazy

[valid dagger]

Yea

Took quite a while for us to see a second sub5 too

Was ahead of its time

[jolly chasm]

ye

185 cooked

[midnight elk]

any good builds for aspect of zeus?

[frank goblet]

zeus special, zeus secondaries (static discharge > the others) aphro attack, zeus call

ez smair + funny special

[waxen dragon]

I tried aspect of Demeter with Ares on special but I haven't found it successfully able to clear that fast. Is it only ever useful for merciful end?

[plain river]

Pretty much

otherwise it’s like decent on something you’re using less often

Like an ares special when you aren’t frequently using your special and the base damage of said special isn’t anything crazy is pretty decent

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I think I ended up using Athena on special and vengeful mood though I didn't really notice vengeful mood being that good.

[plain river]

Vengeful mood is like

decent with heavens vengeance (zeus) or

if you pick up curse of vengeance first into holy shield

so your vengeful moods can prok doom and then immediately after prok deflect with merciful end

same idea as using ares strike and divine dash for dash-strike ME

[waxen dragon]

Ah I didn't think about merciful end with this. It sounds difficult to achieve in a run to get both

[plain river]

It is and it’s impractical

It’s more about if you’re already building a tradition Merciful End build

You can take curse of vengeance -> holy shield for regular ME shenanigans to now prok when you take damage

then if you hit zeus and take zeus call you can add it on as like a tertiary thing

The bulk of your damage is still coming from the regular Merciful End build with your strike and dash

[waxen dragon]

Quite a gamble. Seems hard to merciful end

[plain river]

With the amount of Ares and Athena boons you’re taking, Curse Of Vengeance -> Holy Shield to further abuse ME isn’t that outlandish

Hitting vengeful mood thou

[waxen dragon]

Would you pick a shop door even without coins to spend just to skip a level?

[jolly chasm]

usually ye

depends on if other skips are present, but if not, then shop is almost always the play

[slender burrow]

depends on health and if the downside of a Chaos boon is active

if my health is low, i'll skip a chamber. If a downside is active, the other room will count for an encounter.

[obtuse cedar]

i thought shops didnt tick a chaos boon bc theyre encounters which are said to be "dangerous rooms" or something like that on the side that shows what the bolded stuff means

or other things that need encounters for their effects to work for that matter

[slender burrow]

exactly, i'll take another room if it another is offered

encounters include enemies, mini-bosses, bosses

[waxen dragon]

Managed to get ME on fist, Ares attack, Athena dash and special I think. Is that the right way to do it? Or the other way around?

Is blade dash useful? Like would it also work with hunting blades duo?

[frank goblet]

thats the correct way yes

blade dash doesnt open/work with the hunting blades duo

[waxen dragon]

Is it actually worth taking though over the other dashes? I surprised myself taking Aphrodite dash and got heart rend going quite well

[frank goblet]

for merciful end builds? absolutely not if your dash is non essential and you dont have poseidon in pool/aspect doesnt work well with it then ya take blade dash

[waxen dragon]

I almost never take dashes from Ares and Dio

[frank goblet]

yeah dio dash is pretty bad

ares dash does have reasonable damage still tho

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok will have to give it a try. I almost always take Athena or Poseidon

[plain river]

Ares is like the next best thing if you can’t get athena or pos in pool

for dashss

[small tangle]

Hi, anyone have a build recommendation for the spear? I've just unlocked the aspect of guan yu and I want to try to use that

[waxen dragon]

I usually go Aphrodite special and there's a hammer for it like charged special. I think it's all about the special with that

[rotund sluice]

Oh hell yes charged skewer

[waxen dragon]

Zeus dash? Figured if you get static discharge, you'd be able to proc it a lot

[rotund sluice]

Charged skewer, Aphrodite special, you literally need nothing else apart from chaos

Maybe grab Zeus call for smouldering air

[plain river]

Kinda mid ngl

[icy gale]

is lightning rod affected by achilles spear bonus?

or other "cast" bonuses?

[rotund sluice]

No

Anything that isn’t the cast itself or a strike gets nothing

[plain river]

Side effect projectiles from duos won’t be affected by anything other than global damage buffs

[hollow roost]

dang dude getting 30% butterfly is impossible after tartarus

I'm so frustrated

getting the most crowded possible asphodel and elysium rooms

[sand geyser]

What's the most OP weapon and which aspect?

Getting back to Hades 1 after 100%ing Hades 2 and trynna take it more seriously this time

[obtuse cedar]

theyre all good for at least something, for big damage, its arthur on sword(hidden aspect) and whatever the hidden aspect on bow is, at least i think

[sand geyser]

When i first played Hades 1, I used to play with the rail, exclusively

[sand geyser]

I see, thank you

[obtuse cedar]

I know people use hera and beowulf on bow and shield respectively for good damage using casts, primarily aphrodite cast and also idk which is the best aspect for this but for rail if you get either triple bombs or the one thats like 4x damage but you hurt yourself with the explosion you can get big damage aswell

[sand geyser]

Yeah, that's what I used to play with

Rail, eris, and hazard bomb

[obtuse cedar]

idk which is best for like other kinda of builds, i think achilles spear is good for merciful end(athena ares duo) builds

love the fists for knockback builds, been using talos or gilgamesh for them because of the pull and 50% more damage, and maim effect respectively, did try a hangover build should be pretty recent in the boasting thing, theres like 2 in there i believe

[sand geyser]

I'm currently playing with the shield, on my 8th run, at elysium rn

[sand geyser]

Fists are nice

[obtuse cedar]

oh nice, ive been trying to use shield more, i love the hidden aspect on it, the attacks for it flow nicer for me even tho theyre slower

[frank goblet]

the most op weapon and aspect is just shield and in terms of dps its beowulf, for pretty much never lacking damage its rama, eris is also up there too tho

[obtuse cedar]

yeah rama has crazy damage, i havent used it enough ngl

[sand geyser]

what shield aspect? And is it op in like, damage or

[obtuse cedar]

beowulf is the aspect

[frank goblet]

beowulf

[obtuse cedar]

its fastest weapon to use, great damage

[frank goblet]

it has crazy high dps yeah

[obtuse cedar]

at least i think its fastest

[frank goblet]

would recommend looking at the anyheat wr for hades

[frank goblet]

yes its the fastest

[obtuse cedar]

is there like a certain heat to use that makes the game faster

[frank goblet]

rama is also up there as well as hera

[frank goblet]

forced overtime 2 and em2

neither furies or lernie get hp buffs from their em counterparts

and lernie’s em arena is a buff bc smaller arena means less running around

[obtuse cedar]

was about to ask about lernies

[frank goblet]

fo2 lessens the time for waves to spawn in as well as shortens the invincibility durations for bosses

[obtuse cedar]

yeah i figured that, kinda forgot about that condition because i looked at it and was thinking i wont use it for a while

[frank goblet]

(those two aspects at some point held the wr lol)

[obtuse cedar]

yeah the stuff you can do with them is crazy

[sand geyser]

are the green stuff in the mirror better?

[obtuse cedar]

certain ones yes others no

[sand geyser]

which certain ones

[obtuse cedar]

family favorite is most of the time better than privlidged status

it also depends on what youre trying to play like

like for that if youre going for status effects, then it can be better

typically i think stubborn defiance is better than death defiance because you can revive every encounter instead of just 3 times per escape attempt, not including things that give them back

wait frei what about deep pockets and its alternative

[frank goblet]

in speedruns its hardly used bc its only active after you have applied that second curse and trying to burst down enemies in that first hit is very important, if you’re not trying to go fast its like okay ig?

[frank goblet]

midas is bad, getting a guaranteed boon in tart midshop is very good

[sand geyser]

Wait, does that mean like, you can revive every encounter and then the next you still have taht death defiance again?

[obtuse cedar]

dude istg this new sound for when you get pinged is gonna make me go crazy

stubborn defiance is the same revive function as death defiance, but you recover less and its once per encounter

so like new room

[frank goblet]

one less potent revive per chamber vs the revives for the entire run yeah

[proud wyvern]

yall got any tips for combat in the og?

i've got the original Hades on my nintendo switch and don't got any good ideas what to do for combat

[frank goblet]

*with caveat that you can refill an empty stubborn defiance with an athena dd refill and then have the athena dd + the once per chamber dd

[proud wyvern]

alr

[obtuse cedar]

what weapons do you like to use henry

[proud wyvern]

usually the stygian blade, my father who I found out also likes this game, prefers the gauntlets

[frank goblet]

as a general rule of thumb when it comes to builds, fast hitting low base damage like things such as zeus, things with high base damage like aphrodite, artemis, and athena

[proud wyvern]

alr, thx bro

[obtuse cedar]

yeah, better than what i was saying, gets more info out in a shorter way

[proud wyvern]

ah alr

well I've got to-

yeah I've got to head out for a bit,

ill be back later

[frank goblet]

sword is a bit of an in between, as those two either are viable so play what feels nice to play

[obtuse cedar]

yeah, makes sense because its the starting weapon, dont want it to be too fast or do too much damage, makes it more flexible so people play how they like better as early as possible

[frank goblet]

especially smthn like zag sword

which has like three different build options

zeus attack, ME, and chopp

[obtuse cedar]

chop like that one hammer?

if so i suck at using it ngl

[frank goblet]

yeah world splitter

chop is either aphro attack or athena for the block (athena is the more commen pick)

[obtuse cedar]

i fw slashes more, probably why i like arthur a lot more, also big numbers are cool tho

got close to a sub14 run with it today actually

[frank goblet]

nice!

[obtuse cedar]

probably couldve gotten it but sometimes instead of pausing to look at door choices i just sit there, not too mad, ill get it soon probably

[waxen dragon]

Zeus dash? Figured if you get static discharge, you'd be able to proc it a lot

[waxen dragon]

Can Chiron use the Athena attack and Artemis special for the duo?

[sand geyser]

Chat, I need the meta list.

What mirror of the night upgrades should I keep and which should I level up in the green instead?

The first time I played Hades 1 years ago before I switched to 2, I didn't even realize you could switch the mirror of night stuff to the green stuff

[plain river]

This but you also want

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1388198079324229834/D1F1DEB7-A6D4-43D3-9E92-F1FA6FAE4B2A.jpg?ex=68f860f5&is=68f70f75&hm=5073d0630c582742b260a32563a87468591a6b5bb5cd77cc17d1030ecfeaa6a9&

Shadow presence and fiery presence are both good, stubborn and death defiance just depend on heat, infernal versus stygian depending on the cast build

if you want to try speedrunning the high confidence is an option you want

In my case I was doing high heat like 32 or 40 at the time so I had stubborn defiance on instead of death defiance

[sand geyser]

What's the difference between death and stubborn? I don't get that one very well ngl.

I definitely want to get hella strong so I can speed run. The first time I played the game, I focused purely on the story, and didn't take achievements and stuff seriously. Now after 100%ing Hades 2 and taking it very seriously, I'm trynna do the same with 1.

I'm early game, on my 9th run and I've not gotten past freaking Theseus yet. (I feel like due to Hades 2 I am so used to the combat and progressed too quickly but am too weak in game to actually go past Theseus yet xddd). I haven't unlocked heat yet

[plain river]

Death defiance gives you 3 defiances that you can only replenish in certain circumstances by buying more or through boons, and each bring you back to 50%
Stubborn Defiance gives you 1 defiance per room that brings you back to 30%

[sand geyser]

Wait that's so op wth

[proper furnace]

If you have played mostly hades 2
||There's a reason that the athena boon that also gives you stubborn defiance primes so much mp||

Stubborn is mostly used at high heat where you apply lasting consequences at max (no heals)

[sand geyser]

Would you recommend it early game if I'm trying to speed run everything?

[proper furnace]

Not really

Death defiances will let you oonga boonga through a boss if you have 2 or 3 basically

Stubborn demands more practice at bosses

[sand geyser]

I played both of them, I just took Hades 2 more serious in the combat aspect than Hades 1. I didn't even reach the epilogue in Hades 1, went as far as bringing Persephone back and then switched to 2

[sand geyser]

I mean, I already played Hades 1

So I have practice

[proper furnace]

your choice ¯_(ツ)_/¯

You can do some stuff with athena to provide extra safety with stubborn but before no heals death defiances will usually be better

Stubborn costs 600 so that's 2 DDs

[sand geyser]

Imma use regular death for now

Since I'm early game

And I already have 2 DDs

[proper furnace]

#h1-for-new-players message heroes tips, theseus is a message below the linked one

Might as well send it now

[sand geyser]

Theseus is easy

[plain river]

It’s all about what’s giving you more issues

the average room or boss fights

[sand geyser]

I feel like this is the bad thing about replaying the game, and having come from Hades 2, I progressed too much, too fast and my Zag can't catch up. I know all the bosses, and everything, I'm just too weak still

[proper furnace]

||at least there's no eris equivalent for you lol||

[sand geyser]

BRO, SHE'S SO ANNOYING

[proper furnace]

Also it might be a build issue

If you bumrush for a simple strong set up like zeus + rail you can win quickly

[sand geyser]

All the bosses in Hades 2 got to a point where it was so easy for me, but she in particular was always annoying, not in the way she's like, hard, more like in the way she's always running and I gotta chase her 💔

[sand geyser]

I'm using zeus + shield rn

I haven't unlocked my baby the rail yet

I used to use the rail exclusively when I played before

Though, I'm trying to use all the weapons more this time around

[proper furnace]

Ah yeah I'd def rush for rail then, if anything to unlock aspects

[sand geyser]

Rail is the only one I'm missing to unlock

I quite like the shield, spear, and the sword. Which is odd cos they were my most hated when I first played

Literally unlocked the rail and never looked back

I have beef with ||Eris|| in Hades 2 ||for taking it||

[icy gale]

does the rush delivery bonus apply to crystal beams? If so, is the damage calculated when I put the crystals down or when it actually hits?

basically should I be "dash-cast"ing?

[plain river]

yes, no

Temporary movespeed boosts affect rush delivery as their duration is occurig

so if you cast and then dash, hyper sprint buffs your movespeed and then rush delivery will apply to the meme beams during that window

you should be dashing a ton

dash-striking probably given your weapon

[icy gale]

ok

I'm on achilles spear, does that follow the same logic?

[sand geyser]

@plain river Aside from the DD, do you recommend the other green stuff still in early game or nah

[icy gale]

do I need to do a lot of rush after putting down cast to take advantage of the damage boost?

or is it rush + cast cast cast

[plain river]

Yes

wait

you mean the achilles buff?

[proper furnace]

This.

[plain river]

the achilles buff works differently since it’s for the next 4 strikes and casts

[proper furnace]

Also yeah the buff from Achilles is called raging rush

[plain river]

Anything else that was on the mirror I sent

and that I didn’t give 2 options for

pretty much

[sand geyser]

Best weapon for damage?

Getting hidden aspects in this game is so hard compared to Hades 2

[proper furnace]

Is around the same no

Some characters are harder to meet ig

[plain river]

Sword: nemesis (main functionality is gained at level 1, subsequents just improve it)
Spear: achilles (needs a few more levels)
Shield: zeus (main functionality at level 1)
Bow: hera (lvl 1 functionality) zag (needs more levels, also isn’t as crazy absurd but is less input heavy)
Fists: demeter (needs more levels)
Rail: eris (always good) or hestia (hestia needs lots of levels)

Without touching on any hidden aspects

[sand geyser]

Nope, in Hades 2, ||you just gotta upgrade the weapon you want. And usually, the NPC will give you the line, immediately the next run afterwards, usually RNG isn't bad.||

In Hades 1, for some weapons, like Arthur, you gotta unlock other aspects of other weapons first

[sand geyser]

Touch on them, and give me the list xdddd

[proper furnace]

Ah yeah h2 doesn't have an intro weapon for hidden aspects lol

Realistically is just
5 non zag aspects > hidden spear
Hidden spear revealed + 5 blood on weapon > the others*

Except fists and shield those are rude

[sand geyser]

Yeah, it's so much easier to get them, you don't gotta touch any weapon if you don't want it

You also don't gotta research much on who to talk to because all the weapons have the aspect of the user you gotta talk to as their previous holder

Heh, 9th run and defeated Theseus

Time for my worst nightmare

(The rats)

[plain river]

It’s more that that is the list I send to new players off rip so I don’t include them

I literally copy-pasted it from a previous message

[sand geyser]

LMAOO

[plain river]

Hidden sword: lowkey clunky
Hidden spear: more of a heat focused aspect
Hidden shield: this is the big damage aspect for shield
Hidden bow: imagine bow if it was slower but managed to do like 8 billion% more damage and had a bit more aoe potential
Hidden Fists: you should be fine skimping out here
Hidden Rail: it’s not eris or hestia but none of the rail aspects are bad persay

[rotund sluice]

Yeah checks out

Guan yu being more of a heat focused weapon is true, but I feel like it kinda discourages newer players from giving it a proper go

[plain river]

Hidden bow is also the bows heat aspect rather

[plain river]

Tbf the shear drop in max hp from level 1 also discourages new players

[rotund sluice]

Avoid like the plague until you max it out in levels

[sand geyser]

So which is actually THE best for max damage

Arthur?

[rotund sluice]

Beowulf probably

[sand geyser]

Mk

[plain river]

Homie got 0.1% of the way into Hades 1

[plain river]

If you’re trying to do big damage in one hit sure I suppose

but like

you’ll get better dps from other weapons

[rotund sluice]

Even then Beowulf or Rama in one attack can do more

[plain river]

If you want to be damage maxxing fr fr it’s more like clockets eris or luci triple bomb or bugowulf or hera or rama

even on sword like nemesis is right there

[rotund sluice]

I was assuming among hidden aspects

[sand geyser]

Literally, when I first played Hades 1, I only focused on the story, when I got Persephone to the underworld, I just left and played Hades 2 instead, actually took that very serious in combat, and 100% it, And now I'm trynna do the same with 1

[plain river]

is the 100% for Hades 2 that short?

[sand geyser]

Good thing that due to the all experience and me used to the combat, I'm like, progressing very quickly

[plain river]

dang

[sand geyser]

Nope

I've been playing for a long time

It's just that by the time they released the full game now, I was literally just missing the stuff that they added new in the release

[plain river]

I guess Hades 2 doesn’t have a resource director esque resource dump 🥀

[sand geyser]

There kinda isish

There's like

So many more resources too

And the combat has so much more

[proper furnace]

||there is, but no resource takes forever to grind like darkness||

[sand geyser]

My girlfriend recently switched from 1 to 2 and she said it was very overwhelming in the beginning

For me it is the opposite, switching from 2 to 1 was very easy

9th run and I got to Hades already xddd

I haven't even unlocked all the weapons

[plain river]

🗿

Lemme just get Unseen Two in H2

[proper furnace]

Tbf, 325k darkness is dumb

[plain river]

It’s dumb but I kinda like it being a stupid high amount

[sand geyser]

The poison is so annoying, it was the most annoying thing in Hades 1.

I thought I could ||escape it in Hades 2, but Polyphemus and Medea fight got me like ||

[proper furnace]

Time to learn about tidal dash + beaver

[plain river]

idk barge is right there

[sand geyser]

9th run

https://imgur.com/a/IJMjJwr

Wish I had progressed this fast when i first started playing it

xdddd

Heh, finally unlocked my pookie the rail

[plain river]

🔥

[sand geyser]

Best hammer upgrades for shield and sword?

I used to play exclusively with rail, so i just know the ones for that one

[plain river]

Sonlike

Sword actually is that generic

where you can sum it up for all aspects with a tierlist

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1384552487045824553/image.png?ex=68f8f57c&is=68f7a3fc&hm=c0150de68a31e07650509159e2025448af48cb9b9c65224a5602056c67fccec4&

[plain river]

Shield is pretty much charged shot for all aspects, zeus shield really likes explosive return

aside from that, I’m reaching for the other hammer names since I’m not a big shield guy

Pulverising blow and dashing wallop are both decent options

and like breaching rush and sudden rush are also good options if you hit charged shot because they just boost it further

Ferocious Guard is just strong on all the aspects for its global damage boost

[sand geyser]

What about beowolf?

[proper furnace]

Charged shot lol

The only * is that personally I don't like charged + sudden on beo

[jolly chasm]

Ye

It’s hard

But technically better

I don’t like it at all

[plain river]

I can imagine

it’s different when how far your rush charges actually matters

[proper furnace]

Just get charged + rush every run to build the muscle memory ez

[plain river]

beowulf wants charged shot evenmore than the regular sheilds

since charged shot has its own charge time it overrides the base charge time of beowulf being slower and it can abuse the static 80 base damage harder than other aspects with it's built in +100% additive when a cast is loaded

and just piercing shields is cool

bugowulf can also use charged flight as like a funny effective meme build

I didn't really want to learn how to play beowulf mechanically when I was trying to sub9 with it so I hit charged flight and rolled from there and immediately hit my sub9 first try so like

[proper furnace]

[plain river]

It’s unironically braindead easy

Let me show you how bad I was playing and I still managed to get like 8:3x

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1395663410443714641/ScreenRecording_07-18-2025_03-05-23_1.mov?ex=68f882d7&is=68f73157&hm=66683d27dd004d8a78250299770c1b646d42c1f277fbfe76822013c30fe71c81&

[proper furnace]

😭

[silent dew]

Aspect of Nemesis (Sword) with Artemis(for Special), Ares(for Attack/base dmg), and Hermes(for Speed). I've also made it a personal standard to have atleast 200 health before reaching Elysium. :>

I love this game so much

[obtuse cedar]

i think for how i tend to split my health is like 0-1 hearts during tartarus, 1-2 during asphodel and then 2-3 at elysium, then whatever i get at styx is just some more potentially, try to get at least 250hp for how i play, if it goes weird sometimes i end up with like 300 or more

[plain river]

It’d note that Hermes is always available to you in a run regardless of which other gods you’ve taken because he works differently (since he supercedes the god pool)

He also generates seperately from regular gods

So it’s like whatever happens you build is 99999/100000 times going to have him unless you just avoid him unlike the other gods

[waxen dragon]

Does Rama and Ares work? Merciful end?

[proper furnace]

No not really

Or well, if you know what you are doing you def can make it work but that applies to basically anything up to certain levels of heat

[upper lintel]

is there like a strat to get demeter's legend?

[plain river]

Meet the prerequisites, fill your cores while openning as few demeter duos as possible, grab any chaos favour boons and boon rarity boosting items from well for their +10% duo/legendary chance

that’s pretty much all you can do

[icy gale]

someone earlier linked to an image with the hammers for sword listing world splitter as tier A

what is special about that one? just the big numbers?

[alpine warren]

I'm trying to get back into h1 after h2, I feel so weak lol, can anyone recommend me a build pls?

Also mirror setup, I forgot all the synergies and stuff.. 😩

[plain river]

World splitter beinr that high up is like

a very recent niche thing

It is very much a big number go boom type deal

There was a big push from Alexca to move it up so eventually it happened

Double edge is still preferred 99 times out of 100

[frank goblet]

(and scratch iirc)

[upper lintel]

How can I unlock the final hearts for hermes? Just continued boons?

[proper furnace]

Talk to him with his keepsake maxed out

[hollow roost]

is there a way to make asphodel with achilles spear more bearable?

constantly zooming straight into lava sucks

[obtuse cedar]

you could just not use your special

[hollow roost]

probs the right call all things considered lol

[obtuse cedar]

or just run over to it to pick it up instead of bull rush

probably best 2 options

[hollow roost]

oh does that still count for the buff?

[obtuse cedar]

oh id figure no

its just so you can actually swing again

kinda important to have that ability

[hollow roost]

that's true

tho i can also recall it with the attack button

[obtuse cedar]

oh yeah forgot about that part

spear and rail are my least used weapons

[plain river]

Aim your special a bit more intentionally

Alternatively

You can double tap the special and abuse the minimum range

to avoid making big rushes

into magma

[hollow roost]

i'll try doing that

and maybe removing aim assist

[obtuse cedar]

love that its always whenever i need heals in a shop that they dont give it to me

or im like just slightly too broke and theres no money pots ever

[plain river]

keyword maybe

Try it out but idk about that one

at least as a controller player

[obtuse cedar]

bro going against asphodel witches in erebus is wild god damn

wait linups with meg companion goes hard, just killed like all the middle management bomber guys with it

[obtuse cedar]

no one in a billion years could ever guess what happened to me again right now

[rotund sluice]

Food and centaur heart

That or nothing

[obtuse cedar]

absolutely nowhere to be found

thats the problem im talking about

i lived but still

[rotund sluice]

Have you tried not taking damage /j

[obtuse cedar]

yeah yeah whatever

[rotund sluice]

What weapon are you using?

[obtuse cedar]

fists against em lernie

gilgamesh

[rotund sluice]

My only advice I can give you with the fists is remember to dash instead of dash strike when you see danger coming

[obtuse cedar]

i also am jumping from 8 to 16 heat but still lernie isnt that bad

[obtuse cedar]

ive been doing that most of the time

[rotund sluice]

That jump isn’t the most uncommon, it’s not that bad yeah

[obtuse cedar]

just dont want to have to go through 9-15 heat to get to 16 so might as well just go through hell to get better

same reason i went from 6 to 8 heat

[rotund sluice]

Then the rest is up to experience. Have you been dashing through the opponent or away?

[obtuse cedar]

im mad impatient

[obtuse cedar]

depends on the attack

most of the time through but some away

[rotund sluice]

I jumped from 20 to 32, and that’s not even that uncommon

I’ve also seen 16-32

[rotund sluice]

Yeah you seem to know plenty

[obtuse cedar]

yeah ill probably go up by 4 or 8 heat next

[rotund sluice]

It’s just experience from now on I believe

[obtuse cedar]

yeah i figured, not really a bunch to learn from what i already knew about games similar, just more about managing shops and boon requirements and stuff, and obv the attacks and enemies are different

[winter canyon]

What's the best primary boon to go with for the spear

I do like throwing the spear so I do use special a lot

[rotund sluice]

What aspect?

[winter canyon]

Probably just going to go zagreus

[rotund sluice]

Probably Artemis and pray you get charged or explosive skewer

[winter canyon]

If I manage to get exploding spear, then maybe Poseidon but I don't know how big the knockback is from exploding

[rotund sluice]

I’d recommend putting Poseidon on the dash if you want that kickback

[winter canyon]

Yeah?

[rotund sluice]

You lose a fair bit of damage

[winter canyon]

That's fair enough

I'm just thinking since I'm going to be using a lot more range I'm not going to have to dodge towards them that much

Mind you dash striking is good

That sweep that you get from it is nice

I'm just thinking since it's primarily zagreus so it's mostly going to be arranged attacks instead of primary and dash attacks

[rotund sluice]

My thought process is that you can use tidal dash to clear space or just shred Styx rooms

[winter canyon]

I can see where you're coming from

I could see that working out

[rotund sluice]

Plus, none of the other dashes really give as much value

[winter canyon]

I find that drunken Dash is not that bad either

I'm also still missing three bonds

Lol

[rotund sluice]

Not too bad, but it doesn’t clear space, does less overall damage and needs you to stick relatively near them to build up all the stats, which you don’t wanna be doing with your build

[winter canyon]

That's true I was thinking for late game small times like the little chariots and styx rats

But I can see how tidal dash would be better all around

[rotund sluice]

Tidal dash is just kinda insane

[winter canyon]

well I'm going to give Poseidon a shot and see how things go LOL

[rotund sluice]

Ope

[winter canyon]

I know that first but that was my video

My voice to text sucks

[tight basin]

if you just want to be throwing the special, guan yu and finding charged skewer is gonna be your best bet

either way you're gonna be praying for a hammer for special spam spear anyways

[winter canyon]

Yeah?

[tight basin]

so might as well use guan yu with a built in exploding launcher

[winter canyon]

Lol true

Fair

[tight basin]

zag spear does have like increased special damage but it's not that much iirc

[winter canyon]

Finally got exploding launcher in the asphodel

[tight basin]

and you have to get exploding launcher and charged skewer anyways to get comparable damage to just charged skewer on guan yu

[winter canyon]

Honestly exploding skewer and Poseidon not a bad combo

[tight basin]

poseidon special does have a pretty decent base damage modifier iirc

[winter canyon]

The knockback from it's pretty good so if you can get wall slamming into it

[winter canyon]

Yeah I think it was like 84% which I pommed up to 119

Oh and I also have urge to kill giving me an extra 13%

[plain river]

2nd highest

[winter canyon]

I wish you got to meet Daedalus

[plain river]

I want to say athena/dem are 60%, pos has a base of 70% and aphro has a base 80% common special

I’m RIGHT

Then rarity scaling goes 1.3-1.5x / 1.8-2.0x / 2.3-2.5x so like

for all of them

[rotund sluice]

Don’t you love it when that happens

[tight basin]

would it technicaly be third highest bc of artemis

[plain river]

that’s backwards

artemis is the 4th highest since everything else is above it

[tight basin]

well like with crits and everything

[plain river]

Depends how many hits your special does

You can really approx artemis’s crit chance to average damage well with something like chiron special

where you’re doing a whole ton of hits so the frequency of crits gets closer to the real expected value

[tight basin]

ah that makes sense

[plain river]

or dem special as well

zeus shield special hits a ton of enemies a lot so I’d say so there too

[tardy swan]

So, I'm through the game in terms of story, now transitioning into doing runs for bounties/increased heat.
I have Nemesis, Achilles, Zeus, Demeter and Eris aspects maxed for each weapon atm.

While on paper Eris should be really good (and reading through some stuff here people also say that) I found myself really struggling to do well even just to get to heat 8 (in a Hell Mode save), while it was easy with the others.

I guess my question is, what is the typical build for Eris like? What are Boons I should look for?

[rotund sluice]

Zeus attack
Artemis/aphrodite special
Poseidon dash
Static discharge
Cluster bomb and rocket bomb
Zeus aid
Smoldering air if you chose Aphrodite
Hyper sprint and rush delivery

And chaos boons buffing the special

[timber rover]

So far i think that aphrodite and dionysus are the worst one to get

[icy pivot]

i had 6 lives all together in one run, skelly tooth, 3 death defiance, chaos boon defiance, and normal life it was pretty goated

[round spade]

what's a good rail build

[rotund sluice]

Which aspect?

[round spade]

zag(default)

i have only cleared the game twice i think, both times with fist

i used up all the titans blood on different fist aspects

[rotund sluice]

Hmmm.
You want a shotgun or a regular rail build?

[round spade]

regular i guess

[rotund sluice]

That is super valid

Zeus attack
Artemis/aphrodite special
Poseidon dash
Static discharge
Cluster bomb and rocket bomb
Zeus aid
Smoldering air if you chose Aphrodite
Hyper sprint and rush delivery

This build is much better with the aspect of eris btw

[round spade]

okk

[rotund sluice]

But it should be fine with the base rail too

[round spade]

i just wanna try out the weapon lol

[rotund sluice]

Do you have any blood

[round spade]

nope

im actually saving blood for hera bow

[rotund sluice]

To unlock or upgrade?

[round spade]

unlock

i like the bow and i wanna unlock rama bow eventually

[rotund sluice]

Then that’s a very fair decision

[round spade]

i just wanna have fun with the rail for now

[rotund sluice]

That’s fair

[round spade]

rail and shield are my least used weapons

[rotund sluice]

Same actually

[round spade]

i did 2 zag bow runs, one with flurry shot another with power shot

lost to the final boss twice lol

its been months since i played this game last so ive lost all my muscle memory and ive also forgotten the boss movesets

[cerulean osprey]

Trying Hades 1 again. Can't remember if Attack buffs (like Boons or Aspect of Nemesis's crit buff) also affect Dash-Strikes. Can anyone confirm?

[proper furnace]

Yup

Only some exceptions (hammers like cursed slash/shadow slash don't proc on dash strikes)

[cerulean osprey]

Cool, thanks!

[icy pivot]

whats a good bow build? ive upgraded aspect of hera twice and chiron once

[rotund sluice]

Crush shot Hera is pretty good

[obtuse cedar]

yeah crush shot hera is pretty fun

[sand geyser]

Best dash in the game?

[sand geyser]

I used it to unlock the hidden aspect of the spear to be able to get the others. Working on getting the hidden aspect for the shield rn

[jolly chasm]

Tidal dash from Poseidon

[hollow roost]

last run was god(s) awful

terrible boon choices

got like 6 ares and none of them were battle rage

honestly every other run of the last 10 were miserable even if i won

[wanton quiver]

which one is rhat

[hollow roost]

more damage for next attack after each kill

[wanton quiver]

oh

is it like super goods

[hollow roost]

amazing for hestia

[rotund sluice]

on some weapons its decent

On hestia its great

[hollow roost]

honestly 6 might be underselling it

might've been 7 or 8

[rotund sluice]

Why you so desperate to get it

Its a good boon, but you need other boons too

[proper furnace]

Were you choosing more ares doors over other stuff or did you only find him in the shop

[rotund sluice]

like, its 7 ares boons

[hollow roost]

iirc choosing him

[rotund sluice]

shop can only get you so far

[hollow roost]

was running shackle so i didn't want his cores

[proper furnace]

Just pick aphro attack and swap off shackle 😭

[hollow roost]

yeah i should've gone aph

[proper furnace]

A rare one + 1 pom gets you the same +100% on attack

Or epic aphro can get +100% from the gate

[rotund sluice]

Or eveb artemis attack

[hollow roost]

mhm heart rend is probs the move

[proper furnace]

I don't like arty attack hestia that much

[rotund sluice]

I like the numbers

[hollow roost]

i had art dash strike

[rotund sluice]

Crit go brrrr

[proper furnace]

I'm more on the consistent dmg side tbf

And also smair

[hollow roost]

that and room 1 ricochet shot were the only saving graces of that run

[rotund sluice]

but yeah aphrodite is usually better. Artemis is also my fav goddess so i run her when i can.

[proper furnace]

Arty is fine but the runs I don't get any extra % make me sad

[obtuse cedar]

arty needs to chill tf out when you dont pick her in 2 boon rooms tho

[proper furnace]

For me that is one of the easiest

[obtuse cedar]

the dialogue not the difficulty

aph and athena are like hell for the bs they do

damn aint no way the heroic i get replaces the only other boon i have

probably wont take it, heroic athena atk vs epic aph atk on gilgamesh

[hollow roost]

aph is very sucky but athena?

such an easy pick against

[rotund sluice]

Aphrodite doesnt suck what?

[hollow roost]

even in elysium

in terms of going against them in a trial

[rotund sluice]

Oh

If you can manage dodging one projectile shes fine

But yeah Athena is a free pikc

[obtuse cedar]

athena is just annoying

[proper furnace]

Athena is annoying when timeline mostly

[hollow roost]

yeah but that projectile's got crazy tracking and can't be deflected

[obtuse cedar]

speaking of athena and aph 2 boon rooms im in one rn

[proper furnace]

But also high heat means I'm always picking vs athena lol

Chance to get a defiance

[obtuse cedar]

600 gold by pre boss shop of tartarus is wild

and a athena arti duo boon maybe this will be fine even tho i have 36s to beat whatever sister i get

[rotund sluice]

doable

Plus you start taking damage, not instantly die

[obtuse cedar]

8s left we good

yeah i got destroyed by the projectile hell attack bc i was just trying to finish the attack and like 0 of my special deflects hit apparently

might just sell the duo boon, dont really have a reason to use it, its not a cast build and its a lot of money for it

and i have to purge something

[proper furnace]

The eternal fate of parting shot lol

[trail tiger]

?rank Hades Monthly Challenge

[obtuse cedar]

worth nothing but 445 gold to me bc i dont plan on using cast builds unless its on beo or hera

im already rich asf but i might take rare side hustle

bc thats like a few hundred gold more this run

obv if i make it to styx

[proper furnace]

Funny enough beo can't even get parting shot

[rotund sluice]

Even on those builds parting shot is like never used

Parting shot just kinda SUCKS

[obtuse cedar]

i just got posideon aph duo thats amazing

[proper furnace]

Parting + hera has one funny niche

[rotund sluice]

tru

[proper furnace]

Phalanx shot can backstab from the front with hera

[obtuse cedar]

tf

[proper furnace]

The cast comes out slightly in front of the arrow

[rotund sluice]

Yeah its kinda scuffed

[proper furnace]

And the cast is so chunky it hits their backs

[obtuse cedar]

yeah its a big ass cast

im nearing in on the point of being broke i need to restrain myself so i have money for styx

wait nevermind sold epic boon for 200 bucks we so back

[proper furnace]

Tbf if you are broke before styx that means you did good lol

[obtuse cedar]

yeah but theres poms in styx and the good ones would give me +3 levels instead of just 2 so that would be nice

[proper furnace]

What are your pom targets anyways

[obtuse cedar]

idk stuff

ill figure it out when the 3 choices are given to me

[rotund sluice]

Some boons benefit more from poms than others

[obtuse cedar]

yeah i know basically dont do arti and some others and most are fine for at least 1 level

not tdash i think tho

[proper furnace]

Tdash is one of the best targets

[obtuse cedar]

really?

[rotund sluice]

Tdash is amazing for poms

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[obtuse cedar]

id think the damage wouldnt be that much but i guess you are dashing a lot for most things

[proper furnace]

Flat dmg stuff in general loves poms more than % stuff

[rotund sluice]

Pom tdash to oblivion and you've got a build

Its one of the things that make it so broken

[obtuse cedar]

when i get the option to i will bc i think i get it as one of the options a pretty good amount of the time

[proper furnace]

That's why selling boons is good in general

[obtuse cedar]

oh also what about like dps kinda stuff like hangover and rupture

[proper furnace]

Clear useless pom targets

[obtuse cedar]

are they worth it for poms

[proper furnace]

Hangover if it's your build or you have it on call yeah

A thing about hangover is that it can't fall off

First pom is +2 then every pom is always +1

And hangover call has insane pom scaling too

Rupture you can throw some poms here and there

[obtuse cedar]

oh and then thats also how it goes for that arti boon every attack special and cast is an arrow im guessing?

[proper furnace]

Jolted (static discharge) also good pom target

Support fire nah

[obtuse cedar]

not that its good just that the poms go the same kinda stuff

[proper furnace]

Is not that good really

[obtuse cedar]

i replied to the wrong thing

meant for one message down

[proper furnace]

Idk support's pom scaling actually

Just has normal diminishing returns I think

[obtuse cedar]

bc 1-2 on common is 10-12 and then i know 2-3 is 12-13 but idk about past that

oh yeah epic dio call lets go

aph legendary wait this is crazy

parting shot has come back

but calculated risk has also appeared

[proper furnace]

Another 410 coins

[obtuse cedar]

idk man i kinda suck at dodging dad skulls

if it comes up i sell but if not its cool

im still rich asf

exclusive access showing up at end of elysium

classic

[obtuse cedar]

also i still have 500 bucks after buying out both elysium shops i think i messed up somewhere

[rotund sluice]

Have you been taking charon wells

[obtuse cedar]

no i probably should

i zone tf out i dont pay attention to whats in the room other than enemies

[rotund sluice]

Yeah you definitely should at least be checking them

They have some VERY goos stuff

[obtuse cedar]

hey calculated risk did come up

for purge pool

i have 1000 bucks at styx

[rotund sluice]

go buy stuff

shopping spree time

[obtuse cedar]

yeah im buying everything

apart from the titan blood or gem or whatever itis

oh yeah dio legendary too

this is absolutely amazing

bro i have 7 dashes and like 5 duos and 2 legendaries and i was rich a moment ago and now its against normal hades no conditions affect him

i forgot dad pots are counted as traps

i just got nuked by them

[rotund sluice]

Wrong game

[clever ermine]

mb

[rotund sluice]

Please delete your messages too

Ty

[upper lintel]

how are yall beating 32 heat
The only build I've even come close is chiron + poisdon special + zeus/poseidon duo

[frank goblet]

"fear" genuinely, most setups work for 32 heat build wise its just a matter of getting + executing it well enough to win your pact can have major influences on that too for some builds id say, achilles spear + zeus attack (+ zeus secondary boons like static discharge)+ flurry jab, hestia rail with aphrodite attack, zagreus shield + athena attack + charged shot, etc

so many different setups and builds exist for doing something like it that work

[upper lintel]

lol sorry been playing hades 2 for a while

[frank goblet]

nah ur good lol

[upper lintel]

Perhaps...i'm just trash at this game haha

[frank goblet]

nah most things can work it just comes down to execution 👍 like a majority of players when doing 32 heat do get those really strong builds for their win bc they are strong and that provides a (i dont want to say cushion but kinda is?) to the fights as the dps is high, or you can play well and have a terrible build in terms of boon decisions

[upper lintel]

if you don't mind me asking, are there any pacts you would recommend against? I feel like I cannot handle time, the one that makes enemies faster, and the one that increases enemy damage

[frank goblet]

could you answer this shackle? im about to eep 😭

[rotund sluice]

Those are the ones I usually recommend tbh

[frank goblet]

short answer thing: under the pins in #h1-high-heat-strategies theres a 32 heat guide and also a pact option guide

[rotund sluice]

But anywho

[frank goblet]

those are also the most commonly taken pact options for 32h/most recommended yeah

[plain river]

I’m so eepy too

This is what Bananas guide was written for

[plain river]

Is the timer a speed issue or a psychological issue

because I can very much picture it being a speed issue if you were using chiron, particularly sea storm chiron

but ik some people just cannot play with the timer on

there’s a lot of things that can be done to improve your speed between better building, less harmful pacts and better decision making that can easily really bring down your times without working on your combat skill

[upper lintel]

i think a speed issue but i really cannot figure out how people are doing things so fast lol

[rotund sluice]

What’s your aspect?

[plain river]

I mean what level of speed are we talking about for you

like tight deadline 1 vs tight deadline 3 is a massive difference

[rotund sluice]

Using good builds, pausing before rooms, choosing shops almost exclusively, learning how best to use your weapon and learning enemy patterns are all ways to improve your speed

[plain river]

This isn’t exactly a speedy build for the record but it’s also chiron to start off with so it’s going to be slower

[rotund sluice]

Oh wait you weren’t joking when you said super soaker?

Well that definitely makes sense on why you’re struggling with speed

[plain river]

Why would I randomly bring up sea storm chiron

[rotund sluice]

As an example of a slow build

[upper lintel]

i didn't know it was so bad haha but genuinely the best Ive used thus far

[rotund sluice]

It’s one of the slowest builds that has some synergies yeah. Didn’t say anything about it not being fun tho

[upper lintel]

Oh how I wish I had Mel's builds for this

[plain river]

It’s not that that bad, at least it’s cohesive

Chiron is just slow due to it being primarily single target damage and really slow single target damage and sea storm doesn’t accelerate it a lot without good positioning to abuse breaking wave

[upper lintel]

My understanding is Eris is generally best for 32?

[plain river]

uhhh

depends on the weapon you wakt to use

For rail it’s between Eris (overwhelming damage) and Hestia (big damage, safe sniper) for heat

for bow, for 32 it’s probably Rama > Hera > zag bow > chiron imo.
I know chiron is super easy to use, but if you know how to properly play a regular bow you’re kind of blowing it out of the water mostly

[rotund sluice]

Dash strike gaming

[plain river]

sword is pretty much nemesis, and maybe pos if you want to make a cast build or arthur if you swing that way

spear is Guan-Yu (Hestia situation) or Achilles (Eris situation)

Any shield works but best bets are either beo or zeus

fists is easy it’s just dem

so like if you’re trying to use a more meta aspect just choose your fav from whatever I mentioned

we can help you with the mirror/ pact/ build and gameplan

[upper lintel]

does static discharge work with chain lightning on zeus's attack? I thought for years no but I can't actually remember where I've heard that

[plain river]

Works on all lightning effects

[upper lintel]

oh dang I've wasted my life

[plain river]

You have been missing out since static discharge is easily 20-60% of your zeus damage

[upper lintel]

and double strike?

[plain river]

nah

[upper lintel]

ohhh okay I probably knew that and then just assumed same for static discharge

[plain river]

double strike and high voltage specifically effect lightning bolts

like how storm lightning specifically increases the amount of targets chain lightning can hit

[plain river]

byw high voltage is a radii increase instead of an area increase if you understand how that works

[upper lintel]

mmmkay I just beat 32 with a DD to spare lol I guess that wasn't sooo bad

appreciate the info!

[obtuse cedar]

nice

need to grind my way up to 32, going by 4 from 16

[noble basin]

Is there a good hitch build? I like it, but can never get it to flow.

[plain river]

a good what

is that a typo or a Hades 2 thing

you might wanna head over to the proper channel

[noble basin]

Ah my bad!

[plain river]

Just like delete that above message so nobody else gets spoiled for something h2 related if you can

Best of luck with getting advice ik it’s a little late for most people

[plain echo]

What is the best keepsake or keepsakes S tier list

[waxen dragon]

Damn those green bottles take off 150 health, have lost a run a few times to that when battling Hades

[proper furnace]

That's why we don't use heightened security

[frank goblet]

god keepsakes, hourglass, and shackle

[proper furnace]

Wrong chat (pls delete) #h2-builds-and-combat

[silk lotus]

why wrong chat?

[proper furnace]

This is the h1 chat

[silk lotus]

Ohhh

[proper furnace]

Happens

[obtuse cedar]

lost a crazy run bc of heightened security, had like 2 legendaries, a few duos, richer than jeff bezos, and had some pretty high level stuff but i think i ran out of dashes when dad pot got destroyed, obv already past my stubborn defiance

[waxen dragon]

At 20 heat shouldn't it be that way?

[obtuse cedar]

im using it at 20 but its only 1 heat so you could just use any other 1 heat thing instead

[proper furnace]

No not really

Most people don't turn it on till like 40 lmfao

It is that bad

[obtuse cedar]

i shouldnt have used it this run i almost got exploded by dad pots bc i was post defiance at like early phase 2 and because i dont have like 500 health to get more than 150 to survive it

[plain echo]

Thx

[waxen dragon]

Oh. Ok. I revisited it and took convenience fee, ended up at heat 21 somehow.

[tight basin]

For 1 heat it's genuinely horrifying to use lmao

You kinda just explode from traps

[sand geyser]

Meta Beowulf and Arthur build?

[plain river]

Beowulf is pos cast + artemis strike -> mirage shot duo, looking for charged shot hammer

[frank goblet]

for beowulf: pos cast start, artemis attack, charged shot, mirage shot, hyper sprint, rush delivery
for arthur: high % attack (athena, aphrodite, or artemis) uhh smair if aphrodite

% good on the chonky attack button

[sand geyser]

Thank you

the rest of the builds don't matter?

[frank goblet]

uhhh as in what?

there are some other build parts for arthur ig those being shadow slash or dedge being best

in terms of hammers

for arthur in particular you can do shackle starts and happen upon your build for the run by just knowing what works kinda well

[plain echo]

Can anybody send me best mirror of night build passives via photo or link Thanks folks ❤️

[obtuse cedar]

it depends on certain things, build types, weapon/aspect being used, what heat youre on, and maybe a few more things, i can send you what i use but it wont be the best probably, unless im a genius

[rotund sluice]

#h1-for-new-players message

[plain echo]

Send me ur favourite via which weapon aspect can play it np

[rotund sluice]

Probably not what you’re looking for but it exist

[obtuse cedar]

ay ill do it but fs read nuggets thing thats some good ass info

[plain echo]

Kk

[rotund sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1384942930539843625/image.png?ex=68fefe5d&is=68fdacdd&hm=99209d8c1b9f76dc728c5fa1ac1bf2979cd1f0814327e75d0c72e124e941b360&

this random person I found uses mine

I’ll change to Stygian soul depending on the build, and same with gods legacy

And I’ll take high confidence if I’m speedrunning

But this is my one for general use

[frank goblet]

wait why is fiery presence there 100%????

[rotund sluice]

Wait Hol up

I just grabbed a random persons but wait wtf

[obtuse cedar]

what does it go to? 50%?

[rotund sluice]

Yes

[frank goblet]

75%

[rotund sluice]

Wait what

[frank goblet]

shadow goes to 50%

[rotund sluice]

Oh wait it is 75

Still wtf how did they get 100

Did it use to be 100?

[frank goblet]

in like EA? i have no idea

[plain echo]

Damnnnn %84 crit chance hunters mark woww piercing volley %400 damage to armor wtfffffff

I heard Poseidon has best dash boom

[rotund sluice]

The only contest is between him and Athena

But most players consider him the best one

[rotund sluice]

-# lore accurate

[plain echo]

Yea i checked Some YouTube videos Poseidon dash boon best athena also very good What about best Special best basic attack boons And best cast red crystal boons?

[rotund sluice]

The rest is dependent on the build

There isn’t a single best boon for each one

[jolly chasm]

They pirated the game

[rotund sluice]

Ah that checks out

[jolly chasm]

It’s on an older patch

[rotund sluice]

I was wondering how worked

[rotund sluice]

What weapon do you use?

Specifically what aspect?

Cuz we know the best (or at least good) builds for each aspect I think

[plain river]

Tbh the rest is broad strokes like

You only need to force in pos and artemis for beowulf

[obtuse cedar]

i was talking with him about it, he uses chiron and i said dio on special and aph on attack for low tolerance and then some other duo boons that help with hangover

[plain river]

for arthur you force in big +% strike and a strong dash

[tight basin]

aphrodite/artemis for aspects that want % based attack generally, otherwise it's like zeus or ares if you're going for ME

special generally aphrodite/artemis

cast is dependent on cast based aspect really

call is dio/zeus

basic generalization on all of them tbh lmao

[plain river]

Ngl it’s way less complicated then that

ofc it depends on those factors but like

4 of them do

The rest don’t change

[obtuse cedar]

well yeah but i meant the more specific ones, idk why i didnt specify in that

[plain echo]

All weapons didnt unlock so using 1st sword And 1st bow

Brother

[plain river]

wdym “all weapons didn’t unlockp

[obtuse cedar]

doesnt have them

[plain echo]

most weapons are locked

[plain river]

Ohhhh

I thougjtyou were talking about some “only some of my weapons gave me weapon aspects” cuz I’ve seen some people say that and then quickly realise they were wrong when told to double check

[plain echo]

Haha mb i will unlock all expect shield

[plain river]

piercing volley if it wasn’t mid because it buffs the bow special

[plain river]

No you want them all

You’ll unlock a new game mechanic when you have all the weapons

[plain echo]

I have to unlock also shield ?

[rotund sluice]

You can unlock the gun and fists without unlocking the shield?

[rotund sluice]

But yes

[plain river]

Iirc you can’t anyways

[rotund sluice]

That’s what I thought

So I’m confused

Oh wait they probably don’t know the gun and fists exist

And have only gotten the sword spear and bow

[plain river]

Iirc you’ll need the shield before you can get the last 2 weapons, also you can’t unlock the aspects feature without having all the weapons

[obtuse cedar]

shackle do you happen to have a graph for the pom scaling of ares special or attack, or just know it

[plain river]

strike is +30 -> 21 -> 14 idk past that

for poms

[obtuse cedar]

alr thanks

[plain river]

+25 per rarity past common

[obtuse cedar]

wait im already at level 3 damn

guess ill figure it out soon then

[plain river]

no reason to not dump more poms into this given it’s a ME build

wait is cpefic down permanently or is it a github problem bbbb

:(

[obtuse cedar]

yeah it is a ME build, trying to get it instead of it being a aph ares duo build kinda

[plain river]

oh nevermind put the link in improperly

[obtuse cedar]

idk how i got that unlucky last time

do deflected chaos inferno bombs still deal damage to you?

thats a weirdly specific question idk why im asking tbh

[plain river]

Also the rounding would make that 30 -> 21 -> 15 whoops Imm tired

[obtuse cedar]

i wouldnt have noticed either way

[plain river]

No

[obtuse cedar]

well idk whats happening then bc i swear im getting hit by them

could just be the mines from the vases also going off at same time

[plain river]

curse of pain scaling is less relevant unless it’s a ME zeus shield build but it’s just gonna be the same pom scaling as agony but 1/3 higher numbers

[waxen dragon]

Wow twin shot and explosive shot together is not bad

[plain river]

I mean

twin shot is already insane

And then you just add insane additive from explosive shot

[waxen dragon]

Is twin shot better than triple shot?

[obtuse cedar]

i used that on rama i think with a crit build and then it was crazy

[plain river]

in general? Yeah

if you’re not using pseudotech with explosive shot

[waxen dragon]

Yeh I just did too, Artemis Dio duo

[plain river]

for big damage spaming

[rotund sluice]

Rama is a nuke on a strong istg

[obtuse cedar]

same, i think i had low tolerance in it for even higher chance for crits and it worked amazingly, idk what i had aph on tho fs not cast

[plain river]

for 99% of game content I’d take twin shot over triple

[waxen dragon]

Not sure what you mean by pseudo tech. I was just doing sort of dash strike type things with it

[rotund sluice]

triple shot Rama slaps tbf

[rotund sluice]

If you can hit all three, the satisfaction is off the charts

[plain river]

pseudotech is animation cancelling to fire another shot 0.13s sooner and it essentially makes it like optimal to spam minimum charge shots

which

[waxen dragon]

Is that because twin shot hits closer than a spread triple shot?

[plain river]

I find it gross

[obtuse cedar]

easier to hit 2 side by side projectiles than 3 spread out

[rotund sluice]

You need to be in breathing distance to optimise triple shot, but you have some range to work with with double

[plain river]

twin shot hits for double damage over the entire range in front of you where you need to shotgun to get max value against a target

[waxen dragon]

Ah makes sense, I did find it harder to hit all three on one target compared to twin shot

[plain river]

Ofc you want to play in melee with bow but triple is next level melee where twin still lets you still be farther away if you’re moving towards the target and don’t have the distance with your dash

[rotund sluice]

That being said, I have phased a Dad phase with triple shot Rama

[obtuse cedar]

yeah twin is like spear range and triple is like if you sawed off a shotgun to right where you load the shells

[obtuse cedar]

didnt even know you could do that

[plain river]

uhhhh

first phase dad or second phase dad

[rotund sluice]

Can’t remember, pretty sure first

[plain river]

cuz that is a big diff in hp

[rotund sluice]

You can replicate similar damage with Beowulf I believe

[plain river]

I think that’s realistic with arte strike and a fair amount of additive

[rotund sluice]

I think I had like 3 chaos

[plain river]

yeah

that’d do it given you hit 2-3 crits

[rotund sluice]

Insane run

[plain river]

For first phase anyways

[plain river]

Best damaging dash, blade dash is def like second, and in a merciful end build, divine dash is your only option

for defense, divine dash is the best and p much only dash available

[waxen dragon]

Oh lame. Smoldering air doesn't work with Hades call. It never ever gets to a usable gauge. Failed a fist run, and had scintillating feast

[tardy swan]

Question about replacing boons:
I have Crush Shot (base rarity) and am offered Trippy Flare (blue rarity).
If I take Trippy Flare, is it possible to get Crush Shot (to replace Trippy Flare) offered again later?