h1-builds-and-combat

[rotund sluice]

I prefer hunters dash, but yeah Poseidon is still really good. Especially for Styx!

[icy gale]

hunter's dash feels like the "expert" move where you're good enough at spacing/dodging that you're not afraid of enemies

(from my limited experience where I take too much damage if I take anything but athena's dash)

[tight basin]

Nah not really lol tidal dash does more damage and has better damage scaling

It's like a good dash tho

Best on rama, decent on swords and bows

But if you want damage, tidal dash kinda just clears

[charred hamlet]

Whys the reception on gil aspect kinda lukewarm

Is it not good

[rotund sluice]

It’s mediocre

[charred hamlet]

Why so

[rotund sluice]

There’s just… better options

Namely Demeter

[lucid oar]

The dashes are slower (can’t be spammed) and shorter (aren’t as evasive)

The dash strike has very weak base damage

It’s still ok with merciful end but demeter has better bossing

[plain river]

Lukewarm is a very generous way of putting it

[charred hamlet]

Is it bad?

AH

[plain river]

Mechanically yes

[forest gazelle]

Man for a hidden aspect the aspect of Lucifer really blows imo

[plain river]

It needs to be like lvl 4 or 5 before it really pops off

Tbf

[forest gazelle]

Maybe I'm building it wrong?I have it maxed

[plain river]

How have you been building it

?

[forest gazelle]

All my aspects are maxed except for Gilgamesh since I don't remember how to get it

[forest gazelle]

Poseidon attack,Zeus special so I can attempt to get the duo

[plain river]

bruh

Super soaker

Even u

Even i

Sorry I had water on my phone keyboard for a second

[forest gazelle]

Lol

[plain river]

even building super soaker you still want a +% special for the massive explosions

Super soaker is more of a meme build than anything thou

[forest gazelle]

I had a good run with it not long ago and I wanted to replicate it lol I couldn't think of anything better

[plain river]

The ramping part of lucifer doesn’t really happen fast enough for +% strikes to be a big concern

lightning strike is like

still optimal

especially since the aoe chain lightning could hit a luci bomb and explode them and exploding your bombs is a massive chunk of your damage

speaking of, triple bomb is like the #1 hammer for Lucifer for

hopefully obvious reasons? 3x specials is 3x special damage

[forest gazelle]

I'll try that in a minute then

[plain river]

and it’s super consistent since Lucifer has way fewer hammers than other weapons

So you have a 1/3 chance to get triple bomb on your first hammer and a 3/8 or 3/7 odds second hammer if you miss it

Any +% special will do, artemis tends to pop off with lots of outsourced additive, aphro offers the highest +%

athena deflecting everything is really funny and if you can get deadly reversal you pop off

dem is dem

pos is pos

a lot of your game plan is strategically placing your bombs and then exploding them early for the massive 100 base damage explosion

I have a clip on my switch of Theseus and Bull getting brought from full to 50% in like one volley of specials

[forest gazelle]

You're guaranteed two hammers a run right?so if I want tripe special,what else should I grab?Triple beam so I rarely miss the bombs I place?

[plain river]

damaging dashes and lightning strike help with activating bombs already

[forest gazelle]

Ah

[plain river]

if it’s the first hammer
triple bomb > eternal chamber > conc beam > triple beam >= flash fire = targetting system = piercing fire

second hammer
triple bomb > eternal chamber > triple beam >= flash fire >= targetting system >= piercing fire

eternal chamber and conc beam block each other so they make your odds for triple bomb second hammer go 3/8 -> 3/7

and eternal chamber is generally just more useful than conc beam

[forest gazelle]

Alright appreciate it

[plain river]

also for lightning strike the main secondary you even care about it static discharge

storm lightning is good pretty much only because it opens splitting bolt

tidal dash pops off as a damaging dash like usual

best aoe / damage / speed

but like passion dash / divine dash and co also exist

Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery is still super massive like on other aspects for huge damage from hermes

[plain river]

Oh also take chaos gates because chaos special boosts are invaluable

as long as the curse doesn’t throw your run

[waxen dragon]

Ugh died trying Rama tidal dash run. My guess is I needed razor shoal, sea storm and static discharge and spray the special around before applying the static and razor or it doesn't matter what order as long as they all take place?

[tight basin]

you shouldn't be using pstatus is the initial thought lmao

tidal dash also not generally taken on rama

[waxen dragon]

What's a good aspect of Demeter build for say 20 heat? I managed to clear with frost strike and Athena special, divine dash, Athena legendary and Zeus cast. The deflect is crazy useful for melee build it seems.

[plain river]

There are 2 fairly consistent builds with zeus strike and dio strike respectively, and then one far stronger but more RNG merciful End build

[waxen dragon]

Oh I didn't know the Dio one. I'll have to try it. I started with the Zeus one and then got offered heroic Demeter attack

[languid talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBwcX_WHrV0

1 month ago
Was that “How did you accomplish this” actually in response to beating him without pressing buttons, or just a humorously timed random dialogue option?

I think it's the standard response to getting defeated without a single direct attack

[plain river]

Humorously timed

I beleive I’ve received it in normal runs

[fallen tide]

best nemesis build cause im really struggling

[rotund sluice]

Surprisised no one has responded
Artemis attack
Aphrodite special
Poseidon dash
Get Double Edge (number one hammer priority)

[frank goblet]

*its called double edge 🙂

[rotund sluice]

Get chaos upgrades for strike and dash strike, or if you get neither backstab, and if you get neither then choose whatever

[rotund sluice]

Nice catch, thnx

[plain river]

If neither you choose ambush because you’re running fiery presence not shadow^

and otherwise you grab special +%

because you’re going to be specialing a fair amount still

would give a massive shout out to hunters mark from artemis here that’ll let you crit chain like crazy

[waxen dragon]

Hades spear and zag shield build?

I surprised myself being able to clear with hidden spear and Aphrodite special, thought I was going to die with so little health

[icy gale]

nemesis sword - I've found a pivot into zeus call and smoldering air since you're already upping duo boon chance and trying for heart rend

[plain river]

Yeah this is a pretty common thing to grab on the side

[icy gale]

how good is rare crop midrun?

how early do you have to take it in order for it to be worthwhile?

[plain river]

It really depends on which boons you have (since some scale really hard with rarity) and how many

and also what rarity they currently are

It’s usually pretty worthwile but if you’re trying to gauge your expected value you can’t really generalise it

Also the rarity of the rare crop in relation to how many boons you already have can really swing it

If you have like 1 or 2 boons, the odds of a common rare crop hitting what you want are like way higher, but more boons makes it like a way more questionable pick at common

but like rare/epic rare crop is p much always a decent grab if you have even a few boons that scale hard with rarity

[icy gale]

what are the types of boons that scale well with rarity?

can it hit hermes and +dashes?

[plain river]

Iirc it cannot hit hermes

it also can’t hit non-purgable boons

[plain river]

+% cores with a high base value (dem/aphro/athena strikes), ares strike, lightning strike (technically),
really any +% special boon
I can’t remember which casts care about rarity ngl
Jolted, hunters mark, have stellar scaling, shoals/ wave pounding have sizeable scaling as well

[icy gale]

is it purgeable itself?

[plain river]

No

Otherwise you could potentially purge it and find it again

iirc

checked and yes it should be non-purgable

Unironically the dying lament rarity scaling is good

It’s not a boon that’s really talked about often but it’s a base of 40 and common and the rarity scalings go 1.3-1.5x base value for rare, 1.8-2.0x for epic/ 2.3-2.5 x for heroic

which is a pretty decent chunk

also battle rage if your weapon cares about it

Heavens vengeance also scales hard

Ravenous will and killing freeze

[icy gale]

I'm working on 32 heat and stubborn defiance means taking revenge boons is kind of dangerous

[plain river]

realistically

eh

heavens vengeance is a big chunk at high rarity and not every zeus boon you take will have better options

double strike and high voltage are decent-ish targets if you have lightning bolts

And don’t get me wrong like

the boons I haven’t listed will still gain value if hit

it’s just not as impactful for them

if you have a common pressure points, rare crop hitting it will be notable btw

or support fire for fds builds

[rough blade]

sometimes when all you get is after party you may want to get a dio revenge boon

[plain river]

dio doesn’t have a revenge boon

[rough blade]

[plain river]

Oh btw

Totally niche option I didn’t even think of

sure footing is crazy

heroic rarity sure footing is 95% damage reduction against traps

For every 20 damage you would take from traps you only take 1

[icy gale]

can that round to 0?

[rough blade]

oh yeah I can freely take heightened security then

[plain river]

good question

I think it actually can

I’m pretty sure that sure footing will postpone how much time you have before magma ticks you

due to that

Or that may just be an intrinsic part of sure footing

Life affirmation is also a solid target if you have it

like

I’ve gravitated out from which regular boons you’d take that have good rarity scaling to just any atp

[sacred bone]

i hate act 3 enemies

especially the bow guys

[rough blade]

yeah they're kinda buns
look for the target sign on you, which signifies a bow is taking mark

[languid talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBwcX_WHrV0 this is funny

[terse agate]

Does Adamant Rail's Ricochet Fire re-trigger Zeus's chain lightning projectile on subsequent hits?

[plain river]

Nope

[somber agate]

Guys how am I supposed to beat Charon cuz I've only been able to do it the one time it's going to be the death of me 😭 He just has so much health and does so much damage

[rotund sluice]

Legitimately as hard or harder than hades istg

Can’t help, cuz I avoid him like the plague

[somber agate]

Yeahh reasonable, he's an ender of runs for sure

[proper furnace]

Is just a matter of memorization sadly

Like on paper, his patterns aren't complicated at all, but because they do so much dmg, you avoid the fight and don't get practice in

You can also not take the fight in the earlier regions

He doesn't get harder if you fight him in elysium than in tartarus

So you get to roll him with your build and hp

(the benefit of fighting him earlier is you get to use the discount for much longer)

[somber agate]

Hmm ok so really it's just a matter of dodging and slowly chipping away at his health?

[proper furnace]

And also a thing of "well if I die it was only tartarus"

[somber agate]

Haha yeah reasonable take but he's just so impossible honestly

[proper furnace]

Yeah
The more you fight the more you recognize how obvious his tells are

Some weapons also just, have it better

[somber agate]

Like?

[proper furnace]

Hestia rail/shields/some bows just have way higher dmg/range/block from tartarus

And need less boons for solid dmg than like spear/sword/fists

[somber agate]

Ah ok cool

[proper furnace]

Max hestia rail + epic aphro attack is already 300 dmg a reload from chamber 1

[somber agate]

I'll have to try that cuz I play with sword and spear most lol

Damnnn

Noted

[proper furnace]

You also have stuff like zeus shield that can do passive dmg while you hold the block

[somber agate]

Yeah fair

Thank you so much

[proper furnace]

Have fun stealing his money

[somber agate]

Hehehe tyyy

[languid talon]

ROFL https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/q5v1hp/explain_to_me_how_to_beat_this_game_without/

[plain hollow]

What is a fun build to run for a non-Chiron bow aspect?

I prefer Chiron bow but I need to do some Fates list stuff and I should branch out a bit.

[rotund sluice]

Aspect of Zagreus bow trust

[frank goblet]

what bow aspect do you want to try out?

[rotund sluice]

In all seriousness if you want to try another bow aspect, I’d get one level into aspect of hera and grab crush shot

[plain hollow]

I'm still early-ish in my new playthrough so none of mine other than Chiron are particularly strong (I really like Chiron)

I would prefer one that works for Zagreus but I am up to give Hera a try

[rotund sluice]

WAIT YOU PREFER ZAG
Shackle would be happy ummmm

Hunter dash, hunter or Aphrodite strike

[plain hollow]

I only prefer Zag in this case because I want one that just works nicely for almost any build. Chiron is the exception rather than the rule due to it's unique special.

[rotund sluice]

If you do Aphrodite strike grab Artemis special

You can also go for heart rend either way tbh

[plain hollow]

Wouldn't Artemis special not be as good on non-Chiron?

[frank goblet]

you dont use the special

[plain river]

You aren’t touching the special

[rotund sluice]

It’s only there as a prerequisite for heart rend

You don’t touch it

[frank goblet]

its just for openning up the duo heartrend yeah

[plain hollow]

Ohhh, just getting it for Heart Rend. I see.

[plain river]

make sure you’re dash striking

[rotund sluice]

And grab twin shot.

Triple shot works too but I like twin.

[plain river]

Fortunately for you, 6/12 bow hammers are actually incredibly useful for strike damage compared to all of 2 that really matter for chiron

[plain hollow]

You can tell it's a dash strike if Zag is leaning back as opposed to forward, correct?

[plain river]

you can tell if it’s a dashstrike if it charged significantly faster

It onlys takes 2/3’s as long as a regular strike

Oh lmao

first time ever

[rotund sluice]

Impressive considering you’ve been here for years

[plain river]

Twin / triple shot > flurry shot >= point blank = perfect >= explosive shot unless you know pseudotech

[plain river]

Cussing is something I’ve been very against but it’s snuck it’s way into my vocabulary recently

[rotund sluice]

Yeah I don’t swear either

[plain river]

They are just words I don’t need to use to get my point across

[rotund sluice]

The only thing I’ve ever been put on a warning about is douche

Which is crazy

[plain river]

lmao what

[rotund sluice]

But not on this server

Anywho back on topic

What’s everyone’s thoughts on the best way to make Talos work? I main the fists but always just played it like I play aspect of zag

[plain river]

Like to play into the gimmick?

You have to use a castbuild of some osrt

or heavy knuckle

[plain river]

I’ve actually never looked at zag to figure out which it was

I know purely based on the difference in charge speed

[fallen tide]

What is the best build for Achilles on spear

I got flurry have

Jab in the very first chamber

I used the purse keepsake

For coins

What should I look for

[rotund sluice]

What god keepsake are you running rn

If you are running one

[plain river]

Zeus or artemis strike

depending on who you find, then you go for ares cast if it’s artemis, and phalanx shot from athena

[worn pawn]

hey guys, im no longer addicted to athena for dash

im now addicted to artemis dash

[fallen tide]

Coin purse so no god

[worn pawn]

is that good?

[frank goblet]

arti dash is really good

[worn pawn]

would you say its at least decent in a lot of builds, especially the high heat ones?

[plain river]

Depends on the weapon

[plain river]

Not really

[worn pawn]

im only like 8 heat so far

[frank goblet]

?? its really good in high heat 😭

[plain river]

I mean like

I’m trying to think and like nemesis some of the bows and hestia

would use em

otherwise

[frank goblet]

on like, hestia, rama, zag bow, hera bow (cast ignore), nemesis, zag sword, and dad spear with serrated

[plain river]

zag sword

[frank goblet]

dedge sword or smthn

[worn pawn]

also do you guys ever change any of your talents except the bottom couple in the mirror

[plain river]

Serrated point I did miss

[plain river]

the bottom ones never change

what

[worn pawn]

you know, like from purple to green?

[plain river]

if anything you change fiery to shadow depending on the aspect, stygian for infernal

[plain river]

No like

You never change those ones

those bottom ones are practically static

except for the minority of builds to ever want duo chance that bad

or pstatus hera

If anything you change the top ones way more often since infernal vs stygian, fiery vs shadow can change depending on the weapn

[worn pawn]

i thought the bottom ones were most dependent on builds

[plain river]

Hardly

[worn pawn]

huh

also what do you recommend for chirons special

i like dionysus the best in my opinion

[plain river]

Dionysus or artemis there aren’t really other options

[worn pawn]

oh okay thx

[frank goblet]

the humble aphrodite special

[plain river]

aphro special works too

[worn pawn]

is it because % damage?

[plain river]

but chiron hits so much that the crit chance starts acting more like the average damage boost it technically is

[worn pawn]

wait can you get more than two charon shops in a region?

[frank goblet]

nope

[plain river]

1 Mid shop and 1 end shop

[frank goblet]

"shope"

[worn pawn]

okay if a chaos gate appeared in the second last room before the boss, would it send you directly to the boss?

if you went through it of course

[frank goblet]

nope, you get sent to a delayed shop

*as one of the options, if its a multi exit then it'll be shop + some other boon/pom/heart

[worn pawn]

oh okay because i see charons shop after going through it once (im banking for borrowing his money) but then again with a chaos gate

also i didnt have the option to borrow sadly

[plain river]

The second time would have to be the endshop

The bag only lets you even see the mid shop once per biome

and always gives you the endshop as an option

[plain river]

This just extends your run by a chamber since you can’t skip the endshop /end shop options

[warped dome]

so do poseidon boons just not work on bosses or what

im assuming rupture still works if the boss moves a lot? but the knockback and wall impact stuff is just useless

im wondering what the best boon setup is for aspect of hades spin2win

if athena deflect is active the entire time you're charging the spin that would be sick

[frank goblet]

the effect is still kinda there for knockback but like extremely lessened and yeah wall impact is non existent

athena deflect is only active once the spin is released

not during charge at all

[plain river]

Heavilyreduced but the wall impact stuff can go insane

Insanely situationally but if you can get Hades to stand still really close to a pillar with a multihit like demeter special

There’s a clip somewhere of it like pulling phasing a phase 1 hp bar

from breaking wave damage

[frank goblet]

oh wait it can still go off?

[plain river]

Yeah

[frank goblet]

ig i never got dad close enough to the wall

[plain river]

since Hades can be knocked back just at an insanely reduced rate

he needs to be very close to a wall

[plain river]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/puu0he/am_i_allowed_to_deal_this_much_wall_slam_damage/

The clip takes 7 years to get to it

[warped dome]

wtf

speaking of fists im sad that the aspect of talos magnet pull doesnt apply your special boon

is that a bug or what

only the uppercut applies the special boon

well i havent tested with all boons yet but it definitely doesnt work with ares doom

[plain river]

No it’s intentional

[warped dome]

does poseidon rupture work on the pull

[plain river]

Yes because it’s forced movmeent

[warped dome]

another thing that doesnt work on bosses tho

but that demeter pushback looks nice in that clip

[plain river]

it does work on bosses just at a heavily reduced amount

so your rupture damage should get proked from your knocking them around

[plain river]

Honestly the best builds for Hades spin to win is to switch to Achilles, you not only have better hammer odds but the achilles buff applies to your spin

[warped dome]

is there any tech with that
you have to double tap special for the buff im guessing

[plain river]

no real tech

honestly there’s a very small amount of tech in Hades

I can only think of like maybe 4 things

that would be tech in the entire game

[warped dome]

thats one of my big gripes about the game tbh
especially compared to dead cells

that game is full of tech but its kinda unevenly spread between the weapons

[plain river]

idk if tech is necessary for a game

[warped dome]

the only hades tech is when you can dash cancel stuff

[plain river]

Pseudotech, scooting with shield, codex tech and then dashuppering on the same dash as a dashstrike on fists are

the only real tech I can think og

[warped dome]

you can cancel attack into dash to do a moving spin charge kinda

for spear

but i only do that if i have >2 dashes so that I can cancel the endlag of spin dash

would be so cool if spear spin had just frame timings

like if you release the spin on the first couple frames of the charge advancing to the next stage you get extra damage or effect

[frank goblet]

(spear pseudotech is removing the start up animation of the spin)

[warped dome]

what is that

[frank goblet]

shackle was listing off the tech in hades and mentioned pseudotech

[warped dome]

i can just chat history search that

[frank goblet]

iirc the spear pseudotech is using special with at some point before the attack to animation cancel it

it does look kinda goofy

most i had every used it on was with gy

[plain river]

Lowkey that’s such a like an intergral part of spear I didn’t even think of it as tech nor does it have a name

[warped dome]

just to be clear im not talking about cancelling the spin charge with dash
im talking about starting the spin charge with a dash

idk I think the latter is a little less obvious than the former

still pretty obvious yeah not really deep tech

[plain river]

dash-striking into spin start up?

Like how you dash-strike into bullrush on shield to pull up block sooner

Tbh if you’re a big tech guy you’d probably appreciate pseudotech for bows

[warped dome]

dash striking by pressing attack and then dash
instead of what most people do, the opposite

[plain river]

That’s not dash striking then

but I get the gist now

[warped dome]

you can do a dash strike even though you pressed attack first

its possible

you have to cancel attack into dash pretty fast tho

so thats why I moved attack to a shoulder button

[plain river]

mmm like the end result that comes out is the curved spear dash strike as opposed to a jab?

[warped dome]

yes not a standing attack

[plain river]

let me grab my switch

I still don’t see how that’s more ideal than the other way around

[warped dome]

its saves a few frames

so however much you value a few frames

well idk

lets assume you dash attack by attacking 1 frame before a dash

vs attacking 1 frame after a dash input

that would be a 2 frame difference?
maybe not

[plain river]

even then that’s only applicable for a subsection of your dash strikes

50% of your dstrikes occur like immediately following the first

where there’s 0 time gain

or frames to be gained

you can’t input another strike sooner

[warped dome]

yeah its insignificant

but have you thought about that if feels cool to do

[plain river]

I think you should just learn the bow pseudotech so you can feel cool doing 80 inputs per 0 seconds

[warped dome]

i will

[plain river]

Let me find the explanation message and video i. Speedcord

https://youtu.be/vNDe40Koqjg?si=G0U0yUeNXG-TSH1Y

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217113690445185024/1348627259606569010/ac_explosivecast_hera.mp4?ex=68ec41c2&is=68eaf042&hm=7816627b1589e967aed75c639d0a8d6a4fecb1dc365e925aad2bd81104bea520&

The youtube video has pseudo explaining it and why it matters

[warped dome]

ty

[frank goblet]

idr if the video mentions it or not, but you cant standing strike, special, standing trike for pseudotech

[worn pawn]

wait im sorry what just like took out half his hp

[plain river]

It’s like 7-maybe 14 hits of breaking wave with who knows how many poms and global additive

[worn pawn]

wait what does breaking wave do

sorry i just dont really like poseidon that well in my playstyle

[plain river]

A base damage burst around the area of impacts whenever an enemy is forced into a wall

It’s damage 100+50 per rarity level above common at base with no poms so you can imagine if they had a good amount of global additive on a dem gigacutter

plus some poms and the pos legendary

[plain river]

wdym pos doesn’t really fit into your playstyle btw

Like obv his strike and special are nigh unusuable but the rest of his kit is good

[worn pawn]

i dont typically want the enemy to keep moving around for the sake of extra damage. yeah its cool to manipulate the environment by pushing enemies to traps, but i want a consistent damage source. also i really easily get into traps

[plain river]

ohhhh

ngl

you can super easily get value from pos without doing any sort of enemy grouping because tidal dash is just that strong and splashable on everything

[worn pawn]

yeah i tried that, i heard its arguably one of the best boons in the game. i don't remember if it affected my gameplay that well though

but then again, i was using coronacht

[plain river]

It is to the point that nemesis and achilles actually start with it over their strike boons

for speedrunning

[rotund sluice]

The things broken

[plain river]

This is probably why if you weren’t aggressively using bow in melee

[worn pawn]

i see

also is twin shot that good?

[plain river]

yes

[rotund sluice]

Doubles your damage

[worn pawn]

i know double damage, but i feel like i should just pick the spear at that point

[plain river]

what

[worn pawn]

because of decreased range

[plain river]

?!

atp you’re already skipping over the depth of aspects too

[worn pawn]

i mean i guess i target consistency over dps

because spear easy to be more mobile over the bow charging in twin shot.

[plain river]

Then you should want to play bow since achilles crutches on one hammer while bow has 5-6 good options out of 12

[plain river]

Being mobile on bow is super easy what

Dashstriking exists for a reason

[worn pawn]

because im addicted to hunters dash for that extra damage on bow, i see myself dashing all the time with the charge. which means i get especially hit on bosses and maybe large groups of enemies

[plain river]

have u seen the bow dash striking clip I periodically send or like

[worn pawn]

that 0.3-0.5 seconds of charging the bow after dash just makes me get hit for god knows why

[plain river]

That’s for sure a skill and positioning thing over mobility

[frank goblet]

that isnt a mobility thing, thats a positioning issue, not based upon the weapon but on the player

[worn pawn]

wait what do you consider to be mobility then?

[plain river]

Being able to remain mobile

[worn pawn]

give me an example lol

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=68ec4ca2&is=68eafb22&hm=2b6a1ddf67049cc72d97d0fd2fe26174d9ebf7a9ec63cf28947e3694758a6f14&

I should film a new clip this one is getting olddd

like years old

[worn pawn]

but you see i have a weapon issue for all weapons

its called a skill issue from having bad habits on each of them

and im too lazy to fix them even though they will let me play the game better overall

[plain river]

Idk what to tell you then

Lock in

[worn pawn]

awww but i want advice that isn't involved from learning curve even though thats essential in a roguelike

[plain river]

learning what?

[worn pawn]

oh learning to not spam dash for artemis boon damage against hades because i have higher chances of getting hit

[fallen tide]

when running achilles should i take chaos gates

[tight basin]

Yeah getting more casts or cast damage is gonna be pretty good

[fallen tide]

what should my overall build look like

for achilles

[plain river]

Either arte strike -> ares cast or lightning strike -> phalanx shot

[fallen tide]

i tried this butt eh dmg wasnt there

maybe i did it wrong

[plain river]

Probably

[fallen tide]

ill try again its prob a skill issue

[plain river]

You can also tidal dash start and pick your keepsake for asphodel based on who you find in tartarus ngl

[fallen tide]

should i go for the zeus athena duo boo

boon

[plain river]

Also your #1 hammer is flurry jab

[fallen tide]

i dotn really like ares cast

[plain river]

Yes the intent for the cssts is to find the duos

hunting blades and lighnting phalanx respectively

It’s really hard to get value ares cast if you don’t have hunting blades but then it pops off like crazy

[fallen tide]

if the build is based around cast what is the point of achilles spear

[plain river]

the achilles buff applies to strike and cast

+150% cast damage is a little insane

even at level one +50% is a rather decent amount of innate additive

[plain river]

Every weapon* has one “castpect” aspect that buffs casts in some way and will typically take advantage of that in it’s builds

Achilles is the castpect for spear

-# *eris is the one for the rail but it buffs everything so it isn’t played like one

Otherwise you want static discharge from zeus if you’re doing the zeus/athena build

and hunters mark/ support fire / pressure points from artemis for the hunting blades build

actually hunters mark x pressure points goes a little insane on hunting blades

[warped dome]

Do you run infernal or stygian soul for Achilles

I'm guessing infernal

But man waiting for the casts to dislodge is kinda annoying idk

That's why the only cast build i can tolerate is poseidon

[plain river]

Infernal

[warped dome]

Hades 2 casts feel so much nicer to play with

[plain river]

And hunting blades won’t actually lodge and athena cast does good enough damage that most enemies should be dying before it’s a problem

[warped dome]

Yeah I guess hunting blades is the answer

[plain river]

Lightning Phalanx usually stops casts from lodging as well at cost of them flying every which way

the only casts that really choose stygian are like

It’s more preference for meme beams

and you pretty much want to run stygian soul for trippy shot/flare

[warped dome]

Simply get the Hermes legendary

[plain river]

better idea

get hyper sprint -> rush delivery and have your casts dislodge from enemies just from killing them

damage solves

[warped dome]

Kid named bosses

Does boss dislodge work on a timer or damage

[plain river]

Your cast build should typically still have the components for the rest of your kit to be pretty decent

[plain river]

Still timer

[warped dome]

Sad

Yeah hunting blades it is

Or phalanx if I wanna run around

Kinda wish there was a boon to dislodge more consistently
I guess that would make poseidon less special
And there's that one Hermes boon

[plain river]

That’s why hunting blades and lightning phalanx are the main builds recommended for achilles, since the base of the build is strong enough

pos cast lodges

It can just sometimes wallbug and not

[warped dome]

Talking about aspect of pos

[plain river]

oh bruh

[warped dome]

I don't like how you just need to wait for the dislodge on bosses

[plain river]

It’s like wallbugging with aphro but the conditions are a little different from what I remember

[warped dome]

Unless hunting blade or phalanx

Also I tried that bow pseudotech

[plain river]

Did you get it down?

I find it really annoying to do with my default controls so I just don’t

[warped dome]

For regular bow yeah
Aspect of hera skill ceiling is crazy tho

[plain river]

and you haven’t even gotten to wallbugging aphro cast for hera to skip the whole lodging thing

[warped dome]

I'm assuming you can do the pseudotech while loading a cast for each attack?
That's a lotta apm lol

[plain river]

yes you can

[warped dome]

I'll need to practice that eventually

[warped dome]

What is that

[plain river]

Since the aphro cast is like a shotgun you can hit walls a certain way and still get all the damage from the cast but

The cast hits the wall instead

[warped dome]

Seems finicky

[plain river]

it’s situational but it does let you pop off

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1236163222864920616/wallbug.mp4?ex=68ed1ff7&is=68ebce77&hm=31aeca02ba29eaee35f0c3e4c3a80a383a5295d0dd3e0d850fdfdd59b29a7282&

Here

See how they just immediately pop out

[warped dome]

Lol

[plain river]

this is mainly for bossing because the avg enemy dies to 1-2 aphro casts anyways

and hera also has the innate 5 second cast dislodge instead of the base 15 seconds

[fallen tide]

wwhat should i build with eris

or rail in general

i havent gotten an aspect yet

i want to beat teh game with all weapons

[plain river]

Zeus strike, any +% special (ideally artemis), tidal dash

rocket bomb / cluster bomb / triple bomb are the main hammers you care about

[fallen tide]

what about extra gods

[plain river]

like

4th god? atp you’re reaching if you want a consistent build

zeus, pos and then artemis (but artemis can be switched out for any other +% special goddess) is asking for a level of consistency already umm

Either zeus or dio call

For damage

i guess you can throw in lightning phalanx if you run into. Athena

the main core that matters is those 3 though

Hyper Sprint -> Rush delivery really pops off for your hermes boons

[hollow rock]

Anyone know what the optimal cast boon for hera bow is?

[plain river]

Aphro cast

big damage, hera fixes all the problems with the range and speed of casting

Commonly paired with snow burst from demeter

[hollow rock]

Ah

[plain river]

it’s one of like 2 builds that actually runs priv status on the mirror

[jolly chasm]

huh

[hollow rock]

Figured it would be dio, been using that plus the one that makes u take less damage in fog

But makes sense anyway

[jolly chasm]

dio is pretty good too tbh

[plain river]

Dio is super highroll

That’s the real difference

[jolly chasm]

just hit

[hollow rock]

The only issue I've found is waiting for the fog to give me my bloodstones back takes ages

[plain river]

That’s why the trippy shot builds run stygian soul instead and

just aim to hit casts from chaos and well

[fallen tide]

whats the easiest aspect on rail

[jolly chasm]

Prob Eris

[nova stone]

does flourish boon from chaos affect additional damage like from zeus boons? or just the base damage of the weapon? (currently running lvl 1 zeus shield for reference)

[frank goblet]

hestia (it does require a little bit more strategy, but attack boon is all you really need + reloading between every hit)

[frank goblet]

just the base weapon damage sadly

flat additive effects are calculated seperatly from +% effects from chaos etc

[nova stone]

ok, thanks

[worn pawn]

wait how do you see what boons you currently have during a run

[frank goblet]

boon info

bindable key in the controls menu in settings

[fallen tide]

if want to start beating some heated runs which weapon will be the easiest

[frank goblet]

early on, all of them are about the same

in general for heat though, hestia rail, zeus shield, eris rail, beowulf shield, rama bow, hera bow, achilles spear, and nemesis sword are all really good just in general too

[fallen tide]

Is this in order of

ease

[frank goblet]

nope, just a list of ones as they came to mind

[rough blade]

hera bow is on top trust

[frank goblet]

if i were to actually rank them for ease, id probably put it as beo, zeus, hestia/hera, eris, nemesis, achilles, rama

[empty plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1427025162540285963/20251012_134750.jpg?ex=68ed5c3f&is=68ec0abf&hm=c65020111f251685caef8fbef66c23c18e7d0238245baf6cbbc4591e7abf344f&

Thoughts on this? Any other builds that could work for nemesis?

Art/athena might be good

[plain river]

drunken flourish is certainly an idea for

this

[empty plume]

Art/aphro as well

[plain river]

Art/aphro is going to be better off than yhe other crit duos for the most part

otherwise Merciful End

[rough blade]

yeah nemesis already has built in crit chance so it gains less from deadly reversal

[empty plume]

Double edge + art/aphro is what youre saying?

[rotund sluice]

Yes

Plus maybe Poseidon dash

[empty plume]

I really like ath for safety

Would go pos for speed

[rotund sluice]

Whichever works

[plain river]

Speed starts with tidal dash

[empty plume]

Figured so

Liking this weapon a little more each time

[hollow roost]

is there a better rail aspect than eris if I'm using a trackpad?

it's really hard to aim the special and do anything else at the same time

so I usually just keep the cursor close to me and try to fight the enemies close by

[frank goblet]

do you have attack at cursor on or off?

[hollow roost]

I have it off

and aim assist on

[empty plume]

Why are you using a trackpad??!!

[hollow roost]

I'm on a laptop without a mouse

works great for me other than situations like this

[frank goblet]

hmmm maybe hestia? as you dont have to hold down left click to fire

[hollow roost]

I do have firing bound to J so that's fine

[plain river]

Just running hunting blades eris fr fr

[hollow roost]

but I can't rebind purely mouse controls

[hollow roost]

still haven't run into that duo lol but probs right

[plain river]

Eris is technically the rails castpect so

[hollow roost]

it's also fine if i get good attack hammers

like the one that lets you shoot infinitely 3x a pop just won me my first rail run

delta chamber?

[frank goblet]

yeah delta chamber

[hollow roost]

mhm

not having to worry about reloading gave me at least a little bit of time to somewhat move my cursor around

[plain river]

delta chamber also lets you keep your iframes on dash-strikes

[hollow roost]

ooh I'm glad that's still true

[empty plume]

I mean if youre having trouble affording a mouse maybe i/we can help?

If thats the case

[hollow roost]

yeah I've been reading lee reamsnyder's guide and they mentioned that

[hollow roost]

not what I'm asking for but I appreciate the offer

was just wondering on which aspect is the least special-reliant

[empty plume]

Okay!

[plain river]

Honestly in terms of generic Hades information it’s one of the best online info resources (relatively) because 99% of other resources online are so bad

[hollow roost]

it's been extremely useful yeah

I made sure to copy the build recipes to my steam notes

so I can quickly check which god boons to take for each weapon and such

[plain river]

The builds do wildly vary in power though ngl

[hollow roost]

one of the best gaming resources I've seen in general tbh

[plain river]

since it includes a bunch of builds that are decent and cohesive -> just straight up what was meta at the time of writing

[hollow roost]

hm, has the meta changed that much since then?

[plain river]

depends on the weapon

Crit sword now starts with tidal dash over a regular strike boon

main thing that sticks out to me since it’s been like

2 years since the last time I looked at the guide and that’sthe most recent example I can thinknof

[tight basin]

Ngl Zeus shield without a mouse is pretty solid even tho it's special reliant

I did a full run without a mouse with it and it didn't feel jank at all

[hollow roost]

that's true but with aim assist iirc I never have to aim it too well

I find zeus shield mostly manageable

and super strong when it gets rolling

[tight basin]

Yeah it's good

[waxen dragon]

Nemesis with Artemis, how to survive it? I wasn't hitting hard enough. Feel like I need Athena for safety

[valid dagger]

Put Athena on the Special

And try to dash through enemies when dash striking so you end up behind them

[waxen dragon]

Ah good tip. Should I also take Athena dash?

[valid dagger]

You could. If you are sticking to the Special -> x2 Dashstrike rotation I feel like the Special is more impactful and generally enough.

If you want an added layer of safety and you're not fixed on Crit nem, put Aphrodite on your attack instead of Artemis and if you see Artemis take her dash

This way you have Weak which is big dmg reduction, the special will keep you safe with the deflect and the dash gives you raw dmg

[waxen dragon]

I took heaps of hunter dash but kept getting hit trying to hit things

[valid dagger]

Understandable, that's how it is with melee weps. You can try your hand at different combos of core boons. Keep in mind you can delay your dash strike quite a bit. You can use this to avoid getting hit. Also, when you dash strike you immediately lose all iframes that your dash gives you.

[native swan]

What's the best aspect for the shield? Zeus or Chaos?

[rotund sluice]

If not that then Zeus

Wait have you unlocked hidden aspects?

[native swan]

I have

gonna do a run with the shield now

[rotund sluice]

Oh then Beowulf

[native swan]

Another question, Are the Shadow and Fiery Talents both active at the same time?

[rotund sluice]

No

Only one

What aspect?

[native swan]

Gonna do one with Zeus since you mentioned it

[rotund sluice]

Go Zeus special and Aphrodite attack, then grab Zeus call and smoldering air

[native swan]

okay yeah will do, gonna grab some lunch then do that

[rotund sluice]

Nom

[frank goblet]

you can also do athena special / ares special on zeus shield and build towards merciful end

[rotund sluice]

yay ME mentioned

[proper furnace]

Ew, ME mentioned

[native swan]

How do I unlock the hidden aspects for weapons? I've unlock all the normal aspects

[proper furnace]

#h1-story-discussion pinned messages

[waxen dragon]

Ah yeah mashing 2 buttons at once on dash strike is often unreliable for me. I find myself having to slow things down dashing away and waiting for the enemies to spread out to take on in fewer numbers

What's the trick with Beowulf? Is it to try and herd all the enemies together to try for a group attack? I found trippy flare way more effective than flood flare.

[shadow crest]

Hello

Which gods boons are good for punching gloves and the gun

[valid dagger]

Somewhat yes. You cant always do it efficiently and sometimes it's not worth doing. You want the Charged Shot hammer, it makes this a lot easier and the wep feels better overall. Flood flare is generally more consistent but relies on getting mirage shot, your dmg will drop off quite a bit if you dont get it by early elysium/end of asphodel. Trippy is nice but a lot less consistent due to stygian and the extra gods that lower your odds at mirage. If you're not doing it already, you should initiate your bullrush/cshot with a dash strike and not a standing strike. If you're struggling with something specific ask away, someone here might help.

[valid dagger]

They are somewhat similar since they use rapid attacks and have low base attack dmg. In general you want to put a flat dmg god on the attack. It's likely going to be Zeus, after that you try to get more zeus boons like static discharge, call, etc. Try to get some % buff on your Special, it's moreso important on the rail, doesnt matter too much on the fists. And lastly you can opt for either offensive or defensive dash boons, you can do Poseidon or Athena. Your poms generally go in your static discharge, call, and dash. There is another build you can do but it mainly works on the fists, you can try Ares Attack + Athena Special, this opens up the Merciful End duo. After that you look for Divine Dash and Impending doom. Your attacks will apply the Doom effect on enemies and dashing will detonate and it's safe all around. There is a pinned link in this channel that goes over some builds for eadh wep and aspect, have a look at it to get some ideas.

[shadow crest]

Holy yap but thanks

I focus on special bcz of pull effect so i go athena and ares on gloves?

And which item to use, the cerebus gift or the athena gift

[plain river]

You should start with the most important god for your build and then swap to the second most important for asphodel and then you can take defensive keepsakes later

that means for Merciful End builds you start with ares then take athena into asphodel

[shadow crest]

Is there a simple dmg boost item for melee weapons like there is one for ranged

[valid dagger]

What is the one for ranged?

[shadow crest]

Deal more dmg to distant enemies

From gifting to orpheus

[valid dagger]

That keepsake is effectively useless. Distant is very far, ranged weapons play a lot closer than that so you are not getting the bonus with them either, not even semi-consistently if you are intentionally trying. It's much more worth it to use other keepsakes and get good build then defense layer for the later bosses.

[shadow crest]

Im new and just reached the styxian temple and is that supposed to be the way to get blood for weapon upgrades

I did clear meg with all weapons and is there no other way to get blood?

[plain river]

Distant memory requires a frankly impractical amount of range I wouldn’t concern myself with it

[valid dagger]

It's not the main way. There is another which you unlock later, after you get your first win.

[cinder fog]

Is there a guide to each aspect?

[rotund sluice]

Check the pinned in this channel

[cinder fog]

Ic tysm

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I'm still figuring out the dash strike and charge rush thing along with positioning

[turbid needle]

For the Adamant Rail is the aspect of Hestia or Zag better

[frank goblet]

hestia

[warped dome]

@plain river ok I've learned bow pseudotech, shield scoot, fists dashstrike + upper, and achilles stuff
chaos finally gave me beowulf, I assume shield scoot works the same here but easier because I dont need to hold attack as long it seems like
what is codex tech, i need to collect all the tech like infinity stones

[plain river]

Codex tech is essentially just spamming the codex button after the end of an encounter to move without pushing the timer

it’s banned for all speedrunning categories because nobody wants to do that

There’s a brief window after you let down the codex before the timer restarts

[warped dome]

oh its not combat related ok

not interested then lol

[plain river]

also while the codex is open, the timer is paused, but Thanatos will figure himself out and chamber doors will show you their options without wasting ingame time

[plain river]

There’s a reason nobody does it

The only other thing I can think of is like brute rng manipulation / save scumming to get what you want from bouldy boons anvil and (sometimes when the game lets you) eurydice

or for seeding runs

it’s not that hard it’s just tedious and since it’s not combat related

[plain river]

You have bow pseudotech but idk if there’s a good resource for spear pseudotech

I’ve only heard mention of it here and on speedcord in the last 6 months

Maybe I’ll just ask Pseudo lmao

[warped dome]

achilles is fun af
you can like buffer spin hold inside a special teleport

[rotund sluice]

I did NOT know you could do that, nor feel like I’ve ever had to

[warped dome]

lemme record a clip, its not really useful per se (if you wanna win just get flurry jab)

but the movement is sick

how do i get image perms, ig just be here long enough

[rotund sluice]

Everyone has image perms

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-hello-hi-cute-gif-13905880940590312511

You just need it as a link

[plain river]

Send it elsewhere on discord and copy the media link

dms work, dming one bot routine is a pretty easy way to keep them all together

I have a seperate discord server I was using for something else with a population of myself and hellfire bot now so

[obtuse cedar]

dude i have 4 casts and mirage shot with posideon cast so i can just knock things flying into a corner across the room or slam them against the wall a bunch if i want to, wont be amazing against final boss tho, i do have cursed slash again tho so maybe it wont be horrible

[rotund sluice]

It’s a solid cast build, especially on shield hidden aspect, then it’s broken

But Poseidon is sooooo good against Styx

[obtuse cedar]

wasnt really meant to be, just accidentally picked the chaos boon for another cast and then got like 4 duos, 1 of them being mirage shot so its working really well against styx

[rotund sluice]

Wow lucky

[obtuse cedar]

yeah but some of them arent amazing, just gotta hope it goes well against hades

[warped dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290044645048320023/1427885001466183823/achilles_tech.mp4?ex=68f07d09&is=68ef2b89&hm=31d55e743a9713b3d6803921981043d117280ebc4cb2b9ee732c6adf9654766d&

i should download that mod that lets you use boons and hammers in training mode but i cba

[rotund sluice]

Oh that’s what you mean

[warped dome]

more fun to test it in a run

[rotund sluice]

Yeah I knew you could do that (still not practical lol, but it looks cool so who cares)

[warped dome]

but you can imagine the movement gets crazy with quick spin and hermes additional dashes

yeah its not good dps but its fun

if theres an even cooler way to charge spin im interested

@plain river so is beowulf scoot tech the same as it is for other hammers

it seems so

but you can just add in a cast while doing the scooting

[tight basin]

oh that's cool

i think 2 dash strikes is gonna be more dps tho bc it's more consistent damage

it looks like you dash into the spin to charge and then dash again to release?

[plain river]

I can’t imahine the dps is anywhere near flurry jab

[warped dome]

oh yeah i already mentioned that

if you wanna win pick flurry jab

but i dont care about winning

[plain river]

If you want to win fast pick flurry jab

[warped dome]

you hold the spin during the special teleport to charge spin without having to do an attack first

special > attack hold > special > dash > spin release > dash or another special > repeat

[tight basin]

ngl even without flurry jab it seems like less dps bc it's less damage instances lol

but that is a really cool tech

[warped dome]

yeah i mainly care about cool stuff and schmovement

dps and winning is secondary really

and this is just a cooler strategy/skill rotation to me

than spamming flurry jab

its also just a fun rhythm to get down and try to be perfect at
getting those perfect timing quick charge maxes

a lot of instances of movement so you're just dodging stuff naturally

timing the spin release to dodge an attack

[untold forge]

I made a build with the adamant rails special where the bomb becomes a rocket and it has the multipule special with hangover

[rotund sluice]

Oh, cluster rockets and hangover is an interesting concept

People usually run it with Artemis or Aphrodite

[untold forge]

i see

[untold forge]

why aphrodite?

does weak stack?

[rotund sluice]

High damage multiplier/additive. Aphrodite gives the highest in the game.

[untold forge]

ok

[proper furnace]

Basically
High dmg moves = use boons that add a % to the move (Aphrodite has the highest, artemis has crits)

Idk if you had triple or cluster bomb tho

But for example:
with rocket + cluster (the -30% dmg doesn't apply with rocket) you have 5 rockets with 80 base dmg for 400 total if all 5 hit.
If you have a rare aphro special (+104-120%)
You already have each rocket do 160+ dmg for 800 total.

A rare hangover special would apply 5 stacks of 6 dmg for a dps of 30 + your 400 from the cluster rockets

[proper furnace]

A low dmg move but fasts uses something like zeus or hangover

[rotund sluice]

Or ares

Doom

[proper furnace]

Ares has to run merciful end to be specific ^ (duo boon with athena, really strong if you get all pieces)

[rotund sluice]

Put the worlds biggest asterisk on if

[turbid needle]

(Sword) should I do zeus attack + ares special or the other way around?

[plain river]

Zeus strike since you’re going to be striking a lot more often

Although both together on one build is a little weird ngl

the timing makes more sense for doom to be on special

[turbid needle]

Aye aye captain

[plain river]

ares strike mainly works if you’re using Merciful End

To abuse the duo in tandem with divine dash

[hollow roost]

what god(s) would yall recommend i take for nemesis blade?

feel like art support is a given since it has innate crit rate

[frank goblet]

aphrodite, artemis, and athena

[hollow roost]

the three a's, i'm chill with that

need to finish giving them all nectar too so its convenient

[native grove]

How should I build Aspect of Arthur? I'm really used to the faster attacking weapons so idk what's good for the slower stuff

[valid dagger]

Your main focus will be on the attack. Keep in mind you can dash between the three slash combo of the attack, this makes the weapon a lot less clunky. Your best option is to use some big +% attack, ideally Aphrodite, and try to get some other damage sources. You can try to find Zeus/Dio Call and more complementary boons. I also really like Phalanx shot and the option to go for Lightning Phalanx. When it comes to hammers the best options are Shadow slash for standing strikes, double edge for dash strikes, and Breaching slash is a good all around option.

[native grove]

Got it. I managed to get a clear by focusing on aphrodite attack + special, then got double edge and the hammer that increases the size of the special area

I think my main gods anyway were Poseidon (dash), Aphrodite, Artemis and Athena i believe

heat 0 so it was pretty free, i just didn't realise I never actually beat the base game with sword and went straight onto heat 1 with a clear after beating it initially with fists

[valid dagger]

Sounds good. Reply was a bit late

[native grove]

No worries, gave me some time to actually use my own brain

which consisted of going into pins and looking at a vague build guide xD

now to move onto Guan Yu, I'd like to get a clear with every hidden aspect ideally and also start getting companions/maxing out relationships

[valid dagger]

Nice, Guan yu is a fun wep. gl

[native grove]

thank you, gonna be spamming the hell out of this special

[valid dagger]

It's also relatively comfortable to spin at low heat

[native grove]

Got it, might see if I can get a H3 clear with it, just so I can get some more titan blood for the other weapons

only hidden aspects ive unlocked so far are spear and sword, so ive got the rest to obtain asw

right now I'm just throwing on extreme measures 1 or 2 and then the time restriction, kind of a free combo for these early bounties imo

[valid dagger]

Yea these are the best modifiers to start with

[native grove]

welp, made it to final phase of hades and died

i guess i technically fulfilled the prophecy anyway, but that sucks

that hp reduction hurts like crazy, especially in styx and hades

[tight basin]

yeah it's a bit rough until you get it to max level where it's only a 50% reduction

and even then it can still be sketchy lmao

[native grove]

yeah, mine is only level 1 so -70% 💀

shocked i got even that far, but prophecy done

[forest gazelle]

How does one succeed with the spear I can't seem to win using it

[rotund sluice]

Flurry jab

and cast builds on aspect of Achilles

[timber rover]

Same here
Its even weaker than the sword

[forest gazelle]

I usually don't favor the sword but I've been able to make successful builds with that but the spear I just genuinely don't know what I'm doing 💀

[timber rover]

So far i think close range weapons are a weakness in this game

Like its too risky to approach some ennemies

Thats why i prefer the bow

[forest gazelle]

I went full crit build using nemesis

But I still prefer the rail or the shield anyday

[plain river]

Every weapon in this game is a melee weapon

Including bow

[timber rover]

Didnt try thr shield yet

[timber rover]

Oh is it ?

[forest gazelle]

Zeus aspect and hidden aspect are nuts

[plain river]

Yeah half of the best hammers for bow incentivise playing closer to your targets and the aggressive playstyle is very viable with proper positioning with your dash-strikes

[forest gazelle]

What about the Rail? usually I'm like 10ft away from my opponent at all times unless I'm confident in my survivability and just wanna chunk hp

[plain river]

Rail also would rather play closer to be able to get value from strong damaging dashes (tidal dash and sometimes blade dash)

[timber rover]

Exactly when there are too much ennemies attacking at once i start spamming dash-shoot with the bow its soo effective and less risky

[forest gazelle]

Blade dash is strong?I never take it usually because I'm cowering behind my Athena dash

[plain river]

you shouldn’t only start dash-striking when there are a lot of enemies

it should just be the default lmao

[timber rover]

Oh i still didnt memorize gods abilities names yet..

[plain river]

Blade Dash is like pretty decent single target dps, it’s no Tidal Dash but it’s an easy second place

they’re good for slightly different purposes

[timber rover]

Which weapon do you prefer btw

[forest gazelle]

I've always been curious when offered two boons from two different gods is there such thing as a 'worse' god to piss off

[plain river]

dw if you talk and play a fair amount it’ll happen pretty quick

[timber rover]

And btw i've got only 4 for now are there more weapons to unlock later ?

[plain river]

It’s kind of preference but I definitely always know which of the two I’d rather take first (between either picking up a core boon first or the other god having a much more annoying fight)

[timber rover]

Those who i remember i think the most broken one has to be zeus i guess

[plain river]

Once you get all the weapons you’ll unlock the ability to upgrade different aspects of them (essentially different versions of them)

[timber rover]

Good to know

[plain river]

I’m a bow “main” but I generally play all the weapons a fair amount

Like over the summer I got all my weapons down to at least sub9 times

and my current pb isn’t even with bow it was just a really really lucky zag rail run that beat it by 3 seconds

[timber rover]

Guess its not about the weapons its more about skill cuz when i played the spear first i didnt understand how it costs 4 keys

[plain river]

oh the key cost just goes up for the weapons like

it’s not about the weapons strength

[timber rover]

Ooooooh

[plain river]

it’s just about demanding more keys from you lol

all the weapons are generally equally viable for like 99% of game content

[timber rover]

I seee i tought the more it costs the more its powerful

Good to know

Thanks btw

[plain river]

Whether or not a particular god is strong really depends on the weapon (and the aspect of the weapon once you unlock that feature)

But zeus is really splashable on most weapons tbf

since his call is just good dps and smouldering air is so easy to throw together

even if a weapon can’t use his strike or special effectively pretty much every weapon can build smouldering air fairly well

[timber rover]

Exactly thats what i noticed
But as you said Zeus is compatible with all kind of weapons at least those which i tried till now

[frank goblet]

zeus attack is even usable on all bows (including rama up to a point)

[plain river]

Using pseudotech or do you mean this genuinely like how everything is viable up to a point

[timber rover]

Yeah i love how its broken i just spam the bow technique whenever im low hp

[frank goblet]

nope (i dont really know how to pseudotech), i did some funny 40h runs doing zeus attack starts and it worked pretty well lmao

[plain river]

Crazy

[fair sigil]

lowk spear with explosive the throw goes hard

And ares over time dmg

With dmg increase every hit and upgrade it

goes goated

[hollow roost]

I got 8 heat down a few days ago

for working up to 16 heat, does EM3, Benefits 1, MM1, Underworld Customs, Forced Overtime 1, and Tight Deadline 1 sound feasible?

found EM Furies really stressful in the 8 heat run

[plain river]

Sounds like a really solid pact for 16

although I’s swap out em3 for like tight deadline 2 and another level of something like hard labour personally

just because I dislike em3 since it really makes Asterius into a “haha you don’t get to play the game for a couple seconds”

[hollow roost]

ic

I might swap it for Routine Inspection since I don't have too many levels in any of the last 3 talents anyways

[olive ridge]

Hey, so im a little confused on what keepsakes are good to switch into after youve already got a baseline for what gods you want. Typically I use two god boons for locations 1 and 2, and then after that I have no clue what keepsakes to use. Could i get some reccomendations?

[rotund sluice]

Well, if you got your build by the end of Asphodel (location 2), I like to take Charons hourglass or Hypnos’ purse for location 3. Then take Eurydice’s acorn for number 4.

[olive ridge]

oh whoops im in the wrong game

[waxen dragon]

I still seem to struggle to consistently clear sub 20 minutes on 20 heat with most things. I tend to die a lot if I play real aggressive

[rotund sluice]

At that point of the game it’s mostly experience

Are you pausing before each room decision?

Try learning basic speed run tactics, and you might be able to do sub 20 at higher and higher heats

[valid dagger]

The pact also plays a part

[waxen dragon]

I still fail a run now and then but mostly I just get through between 20 to 27 minutes

[waxen dragon]

Oh not really, just jump to the door

[rotund sluice]

Even if you don’t know what room?

Pause the game right before you see what the rewards are, then make your decision from there

[waxen dragon]

Oh ok. Are there any prudent choices one should always take over another?

[proper furnace]

Focus for time is like
Story rooms above all > shop > chaos > minibosses.

As for the rewards itself is mostly for yourself, do you still need X god, do you still want poms, do you have gold for shop, hammers/hermes/etc.

You may consider taking rewards with menus in case of Than showing up

[stoic cobalt]

Hi, I have a question regarding unlocking Rama Bow, I have revealed Guan Yu but I had already invested 5 titan blood into maxing out Zagreus Bow, does that mean that I have to invest another 5 titan blood into another bow or are the conditions already met for the Artemis Dialogue?

[proper furnace]

Already met

[stoic cobalt]

Thank you

Cause Artemis isn't talking about the bow but I guess she has some conversations already in queue

[proper furnace]

Yeah now is rng party time

[small tangle]

Anyone have a build suggestion for the fists? I'm using the aspect of zagreus; curious to know what I can do besides using the plume feather and hermes' boon to increase my dodge chance

[rotund sluice]

Three main ones:
ZAP
MERCIFUL END
HANGOVER SPAM

[small tangle]

I'm gonna try merciful end, I don't think I've got that before

[rotund sluice]

It’s my preference

Tho be warned, kinda hard to get early

I have a guide that I made a while ago while sleep deprived if you want it

No guarantees on quality

[small tangle]

Should I get athena as my attack and ares for my special? Or the other way around?

[small tangle]

Yes please

[rotund sluice]

Merciful End:
The duo boon between Ares and Athena. It allows for the doom effect to drop immediately instead ion lingering over enemies. It will drop when hit with an attack that can deflect (ie Athena boons).
ME=Merciful End

CORE BOONS:
Ares attack
Athena Special
Athena dash

IMPORTANT BOONS:
Impending doom

COMPLEMENTARY BOONS:
Pressure points
Zeus call
Billowing call
Deadly Reversal

Game plan:
Equip Ares keepsake
Grab Ares attack
Play through Tartarus as usual, ensuring you minimise the amount of duo boons you can get so you have a higher chance of getting ME. If you see Athena, PRIORITISE IT ABOVE ALL ELSE. Grab the special. Know you’re eligible for ME, and every single chance you get you should fish for the duo. If you don’t get it, grab impending doom and divine dash.

Asphodel:
Grab Athena special and repeat Tarrtarus. If you see Zeus in any room, grab the call and get billowing call when you can.

Elysium and Styx:
Grab chronic coin purse and Acorn respectively.
Pray you get ME.
Once you get it, grab the important and complementary boons. And shred. And melt everything.

[rotund sluice]

For all that is holy please other way

[small tangle]

Gotcha

[frank goblet]

"Asphodel:
Grab Athena attack"

[small tangle]

For the asphodel part what do you mean by to repeat tartarus? You can do that?

[frank goblet]

you cant repeat biomes

[small tangle]

(For the record I've just completed the main quest so I haven't started a run after that)

[rotund sluice]

I meant repeat the game plan

I think

[small tangle]

That makes sense

[rotund sluice]

Fish for ME

[rotund sluice]

Again, sleep deprived

Nice catch

[small tangle]

Happens to the best of us hahahaha

[waxen dragon]

What's a story room?

[proper furnace]

Bouldy/eurydice/patroclus

Door with an ! Icon

[waxen dragon]

Ugh just failed a Beowulf run, tight deadline kicked in and then Hades must have then just hit me 😞

[waxen dragon]

Ah ok

[waxen dragon]

Maybe I need to use the mirror thing that gives me 3 casts and have to pick up instead of the one that you don't. I ended up getting charged shot and Artemis cast, is that bad?

[tight basin]

It's not ideal but it at least opens mirage shot lol

Just don't take Poseidon attack since you're liable to cshot them out of range of the cast burst lol

But also yes

Use infernal soul instead of stygian soul

Stygian soul isn't great on Beowulf unless you like gambling

[waxen dragon]

Yeah ended up with Athena attack

I got Poseidon special, and got a bunch of special boost chaos, and mirage shot but I did notice I don't damage with the casts if the bull rush goes past the enemy?

[waxen dragon]

Managed to clear in about 18 minutes with nemesis Artemis attack, hunter mark, Athena special and dash, Poseidon cast, no duos, was hoping for heart rend or the Athena Artemis duo with double edge. So far my best with sword I think. I seem to need Athena for safety when doing dash strikes.

I don't know if I can pull it off without Athena. Will try with Aphrodite and see if it works

[rotund sluice]

Aphrodite dash is worse than Athena’s

If you want damage go for Poseidon.
Or Artemis, but it’s less damage and less aoe.

[tight basin]

The flare prob just missed

But tbh idrk could be a bug given the fact that it's Beowulf

No one really uses hunters flare

Try flood flare and getting mirage shot from that

Highly recommend

[frank goblet]

dio flare

[waxen dragon]

I had Stygian soul and Dionysus cast and for some reason that was ok. The stun effect gave me safety.

[waxen dragon]

Ok will try that

[waxen dragon]

Hmm turns out the shield doesn't block Hades spin

[frank goblet]

it does

it'd be either a positioning issue, or an issue relating to the shield in relation to the active spin hit box

[waxen dragon]

Oh. Ok failed another Beowulf run, keep dying to Hades

[frank goblet]

also the shield block area is kinda deceptive

for beo, and beo only its a 270 degree block angle with it biased to the right side of zag

every other shield is 135 degrees also biased to the right side of zag

[tight basin]

I thought normal shields were just front

With no bias

[frank goblet]

i swear it also had a bias

might also be misremembering

[grim seal]

So do you think aspect of Chiron would be the most commonly used weapon?

[plain river]

Yeah

The absurdly low skill floor is really attractive

[waxen dragon]

I think I'll have to watch some gameplay from pros on Beowulf. I get hit standing waiting to collect the casts

[jolly chasm]

Big tip for that is to make sure you are not using too many casts to kill an enemy

[waxen dragon]

Yeah I think I feel like I have to cast rush all the time. Like a non cast rush is something for some reason I avoid

[jolly chasm]

It doesn’t do a lot of damage true, but it can be useful for just a little extra

You are by far better off trying to get charges shot hammer

Takes Beo from a good weapon to the best speed weapon in the game

[waxen dragon]

Oh wow just cleared it with 3 hit points left

[languid talon]

🥳

[sinful crane]

What’s the best bow aspect in your guys opinion

[frank goblet]

rama, big chunky damage good 👍

is one of the few aspects with built in multiplicative damage scaling

[tight basin]

Hera is also really good and easier to pick up imo with insane burst damage with Aphrodite cast

[sinful crane]

Bet thanks

[sinful crane]

After getting that cast what other things should I get

[tight basin]

snow burst from demeter

ravenous will from her too

otherwise not really lmao

the normal hyper sprint and rush delivery

[hollow roost]

been trying to see if there's some guide going through basic enemies in this game

like I still dunno how to consistently kill giant rats and satyrs without getting poisoned with melee weapons

mostly just chuck out a dio cast or just see how quickly I can kill them

[rotund sluice]

-# that’s the neat part

[plain river]

50:50 between “kill them before they kill you” and “be very patient and intentional with your dashing”

[hollow roost]

ah ok that's pretty much been my go-to

[obtuse cedar]

i practically always have posideon dash so normally its just spam dash and slam them into walls as quickly as possible and hope

also swinging/using whatever weapon too obv

[hollow roost]

yeah tidal dash makes styx and asphodel very doable always for me

[obtuse cedar]

i think the only times i take damage in styx is because i get sloppy after i get the thing for cerberus

[hollow roost]

there's like a select few arrangements of enemies and room types in styx that really screw me over

[obtuse cedar]

or on some random bs or poison

[obtuse cedar]

spread out big rats is kinda one for me, only armored ones in big rooms tho

[hollow roost]

right exactly

armored ones are so frustrating

[obtuse cedar]

like not armored you can get to them fast enough to not do that weird poison attack

[hollow roost]

like i just want 100 obol man this isn't even a miniboss

[obtuse cedar]

ong i dont want to take like 40 poison damage from it bc i let it go for more than like 2s

[hollow roost]

i think my instincts are just to kill crystal guys, then satyrs, then pest guys, then rats

just intuitively seems like the rats are the least threatening, but they always screw me over

[obtuse cedar]

when in the world did i get a 14m run

[hollow roost]

yooo that's huge

means you're close to doing high heat

[obtuse cedar]

mines probably rats, then the dart kinda guys then crystal, normally i move them to behind walls

[hollow roost]

yeah i think i need to start targeting rats first

[obtuse cedar]

it mightve been the run for fighting hades for 10th win but idk bc that time it says it was 19m but does that talking to hades and persephone count as time?

bc it doesnt in other runs

[hollow roost]

dialogue doesn't count no

nor does fishing or checking the codex

[rotund sluice]

I target the dart guys first

I just hate them

[hollow roost]

idk if i can deflect them they usually off themselves

[obtuse cedar]

normally for me dart guys and rats are close enough together for it not to matter too much

[rotund sluice]

They deserve every Merciful End proc imma throw at them

[rotund sluice]

They screwed me over when I first started the game, so I’m gonna do my past self justice

[hollow roost]

yeah same here lol