h1-builds-and-combat

[proper furnace]

I just dash then attack

As long as you input the attack anywhere during the dash you get one

This can also be used to delay it just enough to still dodge attacks the do a dash strike

[hollow stump]

I've been trying to get a win on every one of the weapons and I only have exagryph left but its the weapon I like the least anyone have some good builds for it? I also don't have the 4th aspect yet. I also haven't even unlocked any aspects.

[frank goblet]

zeus attack -> static discharge
high % special (high rarity demeter, artemis, and aphrodite)
for hammers, rocket bomb > cluster bomb > triple bomb > delta chamber > the rest

[hollow stump]

nice, Thanks!

[hollow stump]

also should I go for any specifc aspect? or just keep with base zagreus one? I have 3 titan blood

[tight basin]

eris is really good for the zeus build

hestia is really straightforward if you just slap on aphrodite attack lmao

but eris might be more fun if you like visual fun

[plain river]

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[hollow stump]

Thanks you so much for the recomendation it worked and escaped first try with it!

also kind of cool but now on a 4 win streak

[plain river]

Where tidal dash

Real rail build:
tidal dash
everything else is optional

[frank goblet]

[frank goblet]

nah get blade dash

[rough blade]

nah get passion dash

[swift hill]

Nah, get DoorDash.

[worn pawn]

maybe im crashing out because hades after 2nd form was 1 sliver health away, but i feel like guan yu sucks. i had to restart 5 runs with it, and be lucky with death defiances

is it any good for any build that it'll be better for me? or maybe im just really bad at using weapons with long attack periods

[plain river]

It is good

But

It’s hard to use

and way harder to master

[worn pawn]

so a harsh-learning curve?

[plain river]

sort of

the big hp penalty is especially rough

And most players tend to try to stick to the spin strictly

And forget the rest of the changes GY makes

[worn pawn]

it definetely is, i had to stock up with centaur souls instead of boons/hammers i wanted

[plain river]

The GY special is really strong, and dash-strikes are still a great option on GY

[worn pawn]

thats exactly how i played mostly, i was banking in the fact to get the triple dash strike from a daedulus hammer

[plain river]

Charged Skewer is also just as strong if not stronger than serrated point most of the time

[worn pawn]

oh i had that too in the run i just died in, still, didn't like to charge it for so long

anyways, is there specific boons that i should target when applying to this weapon? other than the dash strikes and special you mentioned, how else should i change my playstyle

[plain river]

For a special focused build it’s like big +% special damage, so aphro special (or demeter /athena), chaos flourishes, charged skewer and your main damage focus is all about the special

You can use artemis for crits it’s just more reliant on you finding chaos additive

serrated point is a lot of the same where you’d want +% strike, although since it hits multiple times artemis pops off way harder there (and chaos can offer both strike and dashstrike damage bonuses)

You can spin, but just keep it to between waves to regain a little hp

[worn pawn]

oh i used ares doom for the special

oh im not dependent on the spin at all

i dont like it

[plain river]

Since it has a large base damage, especially if you hit charged skewer (then you’d be hitting 135 base damage), +% specials pop off

[worn pawn]

but doesn't that depend if i fully charge the skewer to get max base damage? i like to dash in between my attacks a lot

so typically i use the skewer for the doom effect while adding normal/dash attacks

[plain river]

then you can focus on a dash-strike build

which one you want to lean into kinda just depends on what hammer you find early

[worn pawn]

alr, really do appreciate your advice, ill try to apply this in a new run soon

[plain river]

Otherwise like

tidal dash / blade dash are your friends for styx and small enemies

or divine dash is just defensive

You might want to prioritise defensive hermes options even more than normal

[supple drum]

I have discovered the beauty of Coronacht (Hera's form) 🤌🤌🤌

[hazy raven]

I'm new what's a good weapon? I have spear, shield, sword, and bow

[plain river]

The game is balanced enough that every weapon is viable for pretty much the entirety of what 99% of gamers will play through

I’d recommend experimenting with each weapon and figuring out what you find fun

You can get pretty creative with your builds if you use god keepsakes to get the gods you want in early (tartarus/asphodel)

[hazy raven]

Alr tnx for letting me know (:

[plain river]

(:Þ

That’s not to say don’t ask for build advice or suggestions btw, I just don’t want you to think “oh this weapon is good so I shouldn’t use the others” when every weapon is perfectly fine for all the content the average gamer plays through

[winter canyon]

hell yeah charon gave me merciful end

[plain river]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[spark swallow]

Ope! I'm so sorry. Thank you!

[plain river]

Those are spoilers for h2 so you should probably delete the message while you’re at it

[spark swallow]

Done 🙂

[jade umbra]

Since I've done just about everything that can be done in Hades 2 at this point, I've been itching to go back and "finish" Hades 1 past all steam achievements. I remember barely getting past the second Skelly challenge so any help on heat / weapon builds going into the 32 heat challenge would be welcome

[frank goblet]

what is your favorite aspect you have played so far?

just so that i can give some more help with build advice/pact advice

[jade umbra]

Oh goodness, it's been so long I can't recall off the top of my head but probably the homing bow?

[frank goblet]

Okie! Chiron bow isn't one of the best aspects in the game, but for 32h its still fine. Some build paths are, ignoring the aspect entirely and getting a good attack running Aphrodite is preferred for this with hammer preference for first being Twin Shot -> Triple Shot -> Perfect Shot -> Point-Blank Shot -> Concentrated Volley -> Relentless Volley -> the rest (this hammer preference is pretty universal for Chiron). Secondary gods you could look for include, Artemis for dash, special if you have concentrated or a chaos boon buffing special. Athena for the survivability. If you don't get Concentrated Volley and you really do want a special you can always go for Dionysus for the dot.
For builds focusing more on special you have either starting Aphrodite again for special and then just hope you get Concentrated Volley first hammer or you start Dionysus and just build around the dot, still wanting some sort of good attack or attack hammers but starting Dionysus does open some good first hammers (so does aphro special to be clear).

[worn pawn]

i mean ||theres aspect of chiron for bow||..., and ||aspect of zeus for shield...|| but yeah

[worn pawn]

hey what would you say is the best aspects, at least when you're going higher in heat?

and i stupidly realize that theres a high-heat-strategies chat...

[frank goblet]

best aspects for high heat are zeus, hestia, and rama

[worn pawn]

okie thank you

[frank goblet]

(gyan yu and eris are also honorable mentions, but are imo a little bit harder to play with, and those 2 are also a bit more hammer demanding)

[worn pawn]

hey how is guan yu so good anyways?

i did heard of some dash attack and special builds, but even i know that builds that are dependent on a different weapon has at least a semi-decent inclusion in the normal attack

[frank goblet]

its able to play ranged, has good base damage, can heal through LC4 and athena attack gives you a really strong defensive and decent offensive option

the special builds do kinda fall off at high heat due to things like DC2

but thats dependent and pact and how long you actually do heat climbing

[worn pawn]

sorry what are these terms LC and DC?

[frank goblet]

lasting consequences

and damage control

[worn pawn]

okie thank you again

[tight basin]

eris isn't really hammer demanding at 32 heat tbf

the dps of eris is so stupid high that you kinda can get away with bad hammers

it is a bit more mechanical tho unless you get delta chamber hammer tho

[worn pawn]

hey but is guan yu is at least good in first upgrade (-70% healing and max health)? i know final aspects have a hard learning curve, but this just feels painful as i have to stock up in centaur hearts and ignore other boons i want in a run

im not saying in 32 heat, im saying in general

[frank goblet]

gyan yu does kinda suck until maxed out

[worn pawn]

hey am i crazy or is it when you use charge your shot with coronacht during your dash, it charges more faster than when you charge it normally?

[tight basin]

yeah it does charge faster

that's how you're supposed to play bow lmao

[worn pawn]

oh

is there anything else about some secret input from a weapon that i should know of?

[frank goblet]

theres pseudotech

[worn pawn]

whats that

[frank goblet]

input tech you can do on all bows and all spears (idr for sure, ik it works on gyan yu)

[plain river]

Putting chiron and zeus in yhe same message

is crazy

[lean viper]

is there any special binds i should use or keep em stock?

[plain river]

Kbm or controller

[worn pawn]

welll i may have watched a video of windette explaining how to beat hades... and those two feel pretty broken, at least in early game

like i don't even want to play them anymore becuz its too good (at least for now with me being in like at most 7 heat in all weapons)

[plain river]

Windette is far from the premier source of Hades knowledge

Ykw relatively speaking they aren’t that bad though

They’ren’t reddit or gaming journals

[lean viper]

switch controller not pro controller

[plain river]

Just keep special the same

If you’re going to change anything, people sometimes swap dash to the triggers

If I’m using loading cast aspects ||Hera or Beowulf|| I’ll swap cast with call or summon

[worn pawn]

is achilles spear top tier? i just want to say if its bad, im still using it if it isn't obvious enough why

[frank goblet]

its the better of the first 3 spears aspects, but out of the weapons/aspect its on the lower end mainly just because of needing to reset for flurry jab

[worn pawn]

oh so its hammer dependent? yeah i could see that flurry jab is how it can only achieve so much dps

[frank goblet]

very much so yeah

[plain river]

It is the speed spear

[worn pawn]

well i love the achilles spear becuz its simply just fun, while you guys talk about practicality of winning through dps or something, i just really love that mobility option of throwing the spear

[lean viper]

what other hammer do u recommend to pair with flurry jab? the 3 shot one or the special crit one?

[plain river]

The special crit one doesn’t do anything on achilles

[lean viper]

so the 3 shot one?

[plain river]

If you have flurry jab, the only real options you have to really further your dps are triple jab and extending jab

[lean viper]

ahh okok tyty

[plain river]

You get the bonus on the throw, but the raging rush to the spear doesn’t count as recalling it

so the crit part doesn’t happen

Breaching skewer is like your next best cope pick

If you don’t hit either for your second hammer

since armour shred is armour shred

[plain river]

Actually if you really feel like endangering yourself you could take serrated point

Iirc it is a dps up but you heavily tank your mobility and you end up staying in one place for ages each dashstrike

[frank goblet]

the crit does happen tho, just tested it

[plain river]

what

om raging rush?

[frank goblet]

yeah

[plain river]

I could’ve sworn it didn’t

ok interesting

Then vicious skewer is a solid cope pick given you have hunters mark

I think without hm it’s still not worth it really

[worn pawn]

hey for rama, what are the best recommendations of which boon to use on the normal attack button

[frank goblet]

aphro or artemis are best in slot for attack, dash is usually artemis dash just for the extra dash strike damage it provides

or if you want safety, then its athena dash

[worn pawn]

wait artemis? i mean, if im going to get an artemis boon on one of my attacks, the attack typically is really fast to have the best crit chance. (other than her dash, it has nothing to do with crit). is it that good to have it on rama's normal attack, who have arguably the slowest attack in all the aspects?

[frank goblet]

the dash strike isnt all too slow, and rama perfect shots have really good base damage

[worn pawn]

wait whats artemis crit chance for the normal attack slot? i forgot

[frank goblet]

15%

[worn pawn]

that still feels pretty low, even with pressure points... is it that good (for rama)? sorry for asking this over and over again, but it kinda changes what i percieve of what's good in a build or not

[frank goblet]

yes, its very good still, artemis attack is a little bit more reliant on getting other good % additive through like chaos buffs or artemis dash first

the anyheat rama build for example starts zeus keepsake for the special and then tries to get artemis second god for either dash or attack for the damage and to open lightning rod for the late game room clear it gives

artemis is also good on things that hit hard as well, or already have good base damage

often times tho is like second best pick compared to aphrodite

just bc of the consistency on dps

[worn pawn]

oh i thought artemis would be rather good for multi-hit/fast attacking options to have better crit chances, but alright. thx for the info

[frank goblet]

it can be good on multi hit as well yeah, nemesis has builds for stacking crit chance as well as zagbow and then doing pseudo tech w/ triple shot to provide ample criting

iirc the hades spear heat record uses artemis attack + serrated point

yep the modded (modded referring to the speedrun modpack in case you werent aware) starts artemis attack and then serrated point for the damage

[tight basin]

the stuff that hits fast generally has a low base damage, so you're like critting on base 20 basically lmao

[frank goblet]

high base damage is loved by artemis

the bigger the number you are 3x'ing the better

[tight basin]

generally if you take artemis attack, you want additional scaling through chaos, but rama can get away with it bc shared suffering already gives you 60% additive

not to mention twin/triple shot on rama helps a ton too

and artemis dash

[frank goblet]

perfect shot, point blank as well for even more additive effects

[prime fossil]

I’m working on the dark reflections fated list and I only need to use Dark regeneration, Stubborn defiance, ruthless reflex, abyssal blood, golden touch, privileged Olympian favor, and fated authority. I am all weapons and aspects unlocked, all keepsakes, and companions unlocked

[tight basin]

explosive if you're on FO negative 5

[tight basin]

i like how you said "only" then listed most of the mirror

you could in theory do it all in one run if you use hestia

[frank goblet]

any time i get explosive second hammer on ap2 rama part of me sighs in pain of walking into the next chamber and resetting

[tight basin]

real

i remember once i was like "oh it's not too bad" and then i got to heroes

and then it was very bad

[frank goblet]

repulse shot though

[tight basin]

at least it's not explosive!

[worn pawn]

well, i kind of thought it like this, deadly flourish (artemis special), has a 20% crit chance. lets say the special of the chiron bow does 10 damage for each arrow, with 8 arrows shot out from the special (and im not counting the %boost). so like it would do 80 damage without any crits, but im betting at least 2 arrows will do the crit (yes, i know thats technically 25% of all the arrows, not 20%). so that will be 120 damage for each special. and im not counting any other buffs to this btw

thats my thought process essentially, im not saying im right

[frail beacon]

I think zeus is just flat increase per projectile?

[prime fossil]

What gods should I focus on to pull it off

[frail beacon]

so it's basically like x4 damage for rama's special at worst

[frank goblet]

it has an internal cooldown for the zeus bolts so it only hits like once (or twice?) per enemy hit

[dull viper]

zeus lightning has a 0.2 second internal cooldown

[tight basin]

not a bad thought process tbf, and it's not like a bad choice on chiron special technically either since a whole volley is still base 80

still a bit dubious unless you get concentrated volley

[frail beacon]

and that limit applies to double strike too?

[dull viper]

iirc if any bolt double strikes then the next one will just not happen

something like
1-1-2-0-1...

[frail beacon]

this boon suddenly feels much worse than I expected

[dull viper]

just don't use it on rama and chiron special

they're the only specials that hit that fast

[frank goblet]

zeus special is good on rama though 😭

[frail beacon]

special yes

[tight basin]

iirc it doesn't affect the same enemy twice, but if the 2nd one hits a different enemy they'll take damage

double strike is still good it's just not as good lmao

[tight basin]

zeus special on rama is best in slot lmao

unless you're doing very high heat then dio special is also very good until you rng into dio call

[dull viper]

guh

I'm so washed

[frail beacon]

do I overrate athena's dash and call or not?🤔

[tight basin]

prob a bit, but it's still really good

[tight basin]

tbf jolted kinda good lmao

[frail beacon]

yeah, the dash easily clears the witches which is nice

[tight basin]

and also it's good immediate aoe

[dull viper]

yeah idk why my brain just did that

[worn pawn]

i mean is that justification enough just for witches hut? i mean i really like athena's dash because i basically don't have to think of projectiles at all, but i think it is quite overrated

[tight basin]

it's good in like every room but you def dont need it for witches circle

[dull viper]

no athena dash is definitely good

[tight basin]

the only other good dashes are tidal dash and hunters dash

[worn pawn]

im thinking im liking hunters dash a lot better, but then again, im kinda maining rama right now so...

[tight basin]

ddash is def overrated but it's still rated quite highly for a good reason

[worn pawn]

whats ddash?

[tight basin]

divine dash

athena dash

[frank goblet]

drunken dash

[dull viper]

door dash 🤑 😋

[worn pawn]

isn't like dionysus and demeter pretty bad at slow attacking options because they rely on stacking their debuffs?

[frail beacon]

I feel like Ares call is pretty weak unless you get Ares leg, in which case it is really strong

[tight basin]

dem is bad, dio is fine/mid

dio's just really good at consistency bc all it needs for scaling is poms since it has linear pom scaling

[worn pawn]

well dionysus does go up to 5, and demeter goes up to 10 so yeah

[tight basin]

dio call is insane

[frail beacon]

dio + aphrodite is a nice HP source lol

[tight basin]

dio attack on eris does a surprising amount of damage bc of the global damage boost

[worn pawn]

yeah i never understood this, what's global damage?

[tight basin]

dem also needs another boon to actually get value out of the stacking

[tight basin]

normal damage boost is like aphrodite attack, +100% to attack
a global damage boost buffs all of your damage sources, like your cast and dash, by a % amount

eris has a +75% damage boost, so your dash will deal 75% more damage

[worn pawn]

oh okay, that makes a lot of sense

[tight basin]

normal damage boosts don't effect stuff like doom and hangover

but global does

doom, hangover, cast, and dash damage are considered flat damage, which don't get boosted by chaos and other gods

but eris and rush delivery boost damage from everything

sweet surrender and gilgamesh maim debuff enemies to take more damage from all sources, including summons

[frail beacon]

damn, zeus legendary is absolutely insane on fast hitting weapons

[plain river]

More, higher flat damage for your flat damage is cray

[frail beacon]

does eris aspect really have higher DPS than lucifer? because it felt like the damage I was dealing on lucifer was crazy

[frank goblet]

yeah eris has crazy high dps

[proper furnace]

+75% dmg kinda strong

[frail beacon]

yeah, but lucifer bombs just lying there and zapping enemies with lightnings is quite unique

kinda better aspect of zeus

but can't block

[proper furnace]

Contradicting statement there

[frail beacon]

unique in that you can also aim

I think the highest DPS I have ever had was on nemesis sword with hoarding slash and 4x dash

[proper furnace]

No I meant in the better aspect of zeus/can't block lol

Hoarding slash 😔

[plain river]

what

crazy

The fact that that was your highest dps is mind boggling

[plain river]

If you have lightning special the lucifer bombs would just explode themselves

Also yeah eris global +75% is just way too insane

[frail beacon]

I had almost 2k gold, so yeah

[plain river]

I’ve had it with 3k and the dps was still abysmal compared to any regular build ngl

3k with double edge and extra dashes

Also the time it takes to get your obols up just makes it completely unviable for speed purposes where you’d be better off just using your obols asap

[frail beacon]

was it aphrodite's attack?

[plain river]

It doesn’t matter

hoarding slash damage is one of two damage bonuses in game classified under “extra damage”, meaning the damage is tacked on after everything else in the damage calculation

so hoarding slash damage is added after additive +% and after crit damage multiplication

the other source is the +40 from merciful end if you were interested

[frail beacon]

I see

[frail beacon]

hm... it seems like I actually was undervaluing artemis' call, she beats an entire theseus' or hades' phase (as in, from one invuln until the next invuln)

[plain river]

On the whole she’s pretty mid

[frail beacon]

depends on weapon I guess

[plain river]

not really

[frail beacon]

hm

[plain river]

the weapon doesn’t change anything about her call

[frail beacon]

oh, you mean the call

[plain river]

yeah

[frail beacon]

well, feels definitely better than zeus call

[plain river]

it’s more satisfying to chunk but 4 dio minicalls or 4 zeus minicalls is more damage than a full artemis call and gives you the advantage of not needing to fully charge

it’s way more flexible and more usable in avg rooms

[frail beacon]

hm, fair

[plain river]

You’re also never going to lose as much value to a break point

since you’re using minicalls

Zeus opens smouldering air which lets you spam minicalls a ton as well

and dio just recharges himself due to persistent large dot aoe damage after the call is finished being used

The specifics on why dio charges himself, and why it’s actually so fast make a lot of sense when you’ve looked into the call charge formula and mechanics tbh

[spring basalt]

Greetings. I've played for a decent while now (escaped twice I think) and so I was just wondering if y'all got any tips or advices? I know a few things like you should switch God items between bosses and to get suo boons but what would y'all think vs very important to know?

[plain river]

Dash strike often, not every duo boon is actually valuable, once you have taken boons from 4 non-hermes olympian gods the game stops showing you more naturally (doubles the consistency for hitting gods in your build)

[spring basalt]

Ah ok understandable

How useful are lvs compared to rarities

I tend to upgrade rarities over lvs when I can

[plain river]

Entirely depends on the boon

rarity and pom scaling are not equally made for each boon

lemme find the really easy examples

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1088599008890597477/output.png?ex=68cbe714&is=68ca9594&hm=0bc28e56a1d73abad151fe453d420c7a82f753100def6fbd9614b4a1ac73e243&

Bruh whoops

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1087177322844663898/output.png?ex=68cc0108&is=68caaf88&hm=53f732c1adbeda0f2c88ad2e1850ec75057b0fb64793d2a1c411f8f2e07668e7&

[spring basalt]

Oh wow, data

[plain river]

Like you can see that dio aid benefits from poms so much more than rarity

but heartbreak flourish has massive gains with rarity

dio aid also immediately has linear pom scaling where pretty much every non-hangover boon has a massive first pom and then diminishing returns of about 0.7x the last value until it hits (at the latest) level 7 then goes linear

[spring basalt]

Alrighty

[plain river]

So yeah which boons need rarity and which ones want a lot of poms vs which ones want maybe 1-2 poms before diminishing returns matter just comes with experience

[spring basalt]

Fair enough

[plain river]

the big ticket ones for poms are tidal dash, static discharge from zeus, doom sources from ares, hangover sources (you only ever want a single hangover source on a build btw)

your core strike/special boon is often also going to want a pom or two but it just depends on who’s giving it

[plain river]

ALSO the function of a boon is 9/10 times more important than the rarity

like you could reroll for epic rush delivery on hermes but even common rush delivery is so valuable that it’s just never worth the gamble

[spring basalt]

True

[plain river]

I think that’s mostly about it but just feel free to ask whatever you want if you need more specifics

That’s kind of how you learn a ton because not everything is immediately apparent when you’re playing

The fact that jolted can easily be like 20-60% of your dps for lightning builds wasn’t really known before the dps meter mod came out

Because it’s not something you actively pay attention to like at all

[spring basalt]

Alright thank you

Got any tips against dad?

[plain river]

Just take your time with him in fights right now to learn his attack choreography rather than purely concerning yourself with dealing damage

Once you’re actually used to his attacks it gets way easier to figure out when you can hop in and deal damage and how to avoid his attacks

[spring basalt]

His spinning move is so annoying, delayed attacks sucks man

But hey, just beat him now =D

So what did his skull move do if it's hit me? Disables my boons?

[plain river]

It gives you boiling blood

Hades version

so you take +100% damage for the duration that the skull bloodstone is in you

[spring basalt]

Oh ok

Rude of him

[spring basalt]

Does the mirror upgrade that increases damage enemies take when the cast is inside them, still count when using boons that effect your cast?

Like if I use the Areas spinning saw cast, then does it no longer have the ability to get the damage buff from that corresponding mirror upgrade?

[plain river]

Since the blades cannot lodge in an enemy, boiling blood can’t trigger

[spring basalt]

Understandable

[plain river]

the cast needs to be stuck in them (there’s a little icon on their hp bar) for it to count

[spring basalt]

Is there a requirement to need for getting a gods specific legendary boon? Like duo needs boon from each for, is there something like that for legendary boons?

Also are there boon tiers, seperate from rarity?

[dull viper]

yes, check the codex

[spring basalt]

Ok thank you

[plain river]

Kind of but not really

the only things that really seperate the non-duo/legendary boons are core boons (strike/flourish/shot/flare/dash boons from any of the main olympian gods) (so not Hermes or Chaos) and status curse boons (static discharge, razor shoals) that add a status curse to a gods core boons, which both have respective forms of priority when being rolled compared to every other boon

[spring basalt]

Ah ok, thank you

[proper furnace]

Tfw so beo pilled you call them flares

Oh nvm I can't read

[spring basalt]

Just checking, does the dash have natural i-frames?

[plain river]

Yep

Dash-striking removes them

from the point that you input onwards

[spring basalt]

Ah ok, thanks

[verbal nacelle]

Ugh, okay I keep getting confused by this. Hunters Instinct. Is it actually useful? 0.25% sounds way too low to be even noticeable, whether it is the amount of gauge gain you'd normally get, or the total amount of gauge.

Is it just a typo? Is it supposed to be 2.5%? Or am I missing something entirely?

[plain river]

It’s really bad

It’s a quarter of 1% of your god gauge

just to be clear

and it has an internal cooldown like lightning bolts and support fire

[plain river]

The amount of god gauge you normally get for hits depends on their damage

all damage above 60 is square rooted for the calculation

[verbal nacelle]

That sounds... bad. Good to know. I've never actually noticed a useful change, even with high crit focused builds like zag bow or nemesis sword.

[plain river]

Hunters instinct is abysmally bad lmao

if you want like a full read on how charging god gauge works

I have a message I stole from Scratch on speedcord but I’m unsure if he wrote it himsself or if he just sourced it from the older speedcord

Call Charge

Aside from boons like Quick Favor and Smoldering Air, your Call charges every time you receive or deal damage, with the following formulae:

Dealing Damage

The value your Call gauge is charged when you deal damage follows these steps per instance of damage on an enemy by Zagreus:

1. Is damage dealt ≤ 60? If so, carry damage value forward. Otherwise, value = 60 + sqrt(damage - 60)
2. The value from step 1 is multiplied by 1%, and then by 1 + Clouded Judgment bonus, if you have it. The final value is the % of the call gauge charged. This scales with the square root function, as such for example damage (no Clouded Judgment):

10 damage - 0.1% gauge
50 damage - 0.5% gauge
100 damage - 0.66% gauge
300 damage - 0.75% gauge
500 damage - 0.81% gauge
750 damage - 0.86% gauge
2000 damage - 1.04% gauge

So you can see how sharply the call charge falls off with damage past 100 per hit.

Taking Damage

The base value your Call gauge is charged when you get hit is 60% * (Damage Taken / Max HP). If you had 100 HP, and you took a 100 HP hit, your call would gain 60% charge. Overkill damage counts in this case. If you had 1 HP, and took a 100 HP hit, your call would still gain 60% charge. This value is then multiplied additionally by Clouded Judgment and Boiling Point bonuses, if you have those boons. They are additive, so if you had a 40% boiling point and a 10% clouded judgment, that is a 50% multiplier, so the 100 HP hit with 100 max HP would charge your call gauge 90% from that hit.

Additional Notes

• Call charge will not take place while the call is active. You can tell the call is "active" because the bar is still draining.
• Hunter's Instinct is a flat call charge per crit, as it says on the tin. There appears to be a 0.5second cooldown on its activation, however.

Wait hunters instinct is 0.5s not 0.2s like I remembered

That’s even worse

like way way worse

[verbal nacelle]

Oh wow that's awful. Why would there be a cooldown at all? The whole point of crit builds is to get as many as possible, and unless you REALLY focus on it rhe best you can usually get is around 50%, and not usually universal chance. And the gain rate is still lower than what you'd get from just dealing normal damage.

Yikes thats worse than I thought.

[plain river]

Like a single lvl1 blade dash against 1 target has the same charge speed as if you have 100% uptime on hunters instinct

with no damage buffs

[verbal nacelle]

🤦

Yeah, I think I'll be avoiding that boon from now on. Thanks for the insight.

[plain river]

It’s a little annoying because otherwise it could feasibly be a good boon on flat damage soup builds with pressure points and hunters mark crit chaining

[verbal nacelle]

Totally! I would love to see more call focused builds, but it seems they're pretty limited. Unless you run smoldering air, but thats about all I can think of.

[plain river]

smouldering air with zeus call just pops off

it also works well with dio call but dio also does a great job of charging himself so it’s like a bonus

[verbal nacelle]

Absolutely. I ran an invincibility build with that and zag fists, so much fun. Just stand in the center of the hades fight and he cant even hit you.

[plain river]

since the dot nature of hangover lets it charge god gauge where other calls can’t chargr themselves

[verbal nacelle]

Second wind and greater evasion, plus lambent plume ftw

[plain river]

I get the ifea

should’ve thrown in ruthless reflex for 100% dodge chance

[verbal nacelle]

Ooh, smart. I think I ended up with 99.6%, just needed one more clear with the plume or a higher rarity greater evasion. But yeah, ruthless would have been easier

[plain river]

Could’ve sworn the cap for plume was like 39.6 or soemthing

in terms of that’s max rooms

[verbal nacelle]

I only had 33.6% on the plume. Greater evasion gave 15%, zag fists gave another 15%, then epic second wind gave 36%

Epic greater evasion for 20% instead of blue for 15%, or one more chamber with the plume would have pushed it over 100%. But even at 99.6%, its almost impossible to die

[silent shore]

i get more legendaries with god's pride than with god's legacy

[plain river]

You’re just popping off more luck wise it’s not backed up by game code

[silent shore]

exactly

[plain river]

but like gods pride is just better

[silent shore]

i noticed

[plain river]

Duos are consistent enough without legacy, but having your boons be epic is massive

particularly the boost for chaos and hermes who already have worsened rarity odds, the epic boost goes even farther

and their good boons are just more impacted by rarity

[silent shore]

i love epic greatest reflex

with gilgamesh

7 dashes

[frank goblet]

gilga bugged longer CD dashes 😩

[plain river]

Wait that’s a bug and not a feature?

[frank goblet]

(but also dash only meta )

[ionic shore]

Has anyone tried a backstab centric build?

I was running Hestia rail and got some chunky backstab bonus. It was something with the empowered attack

[plain river]

Arthur sword mainly does this because shadow slash on the standing strike combo is rather large damage

[ionic shore]

Takes a while to get the third hit out that is

Is it possible to crit and backstab at the same time?

But then dash strikes can't backstab from some reason

[plain river]

Yes

[plain river]

Dstrikes can back-stab, shadow slash just doesn’t apply

[ionic shore]

Ah...

Coding is a mysterious matter indeed

[plain river]

It’s intentional for some sword hammers since dstriking is already so strong

cursed slash and shadow slash don’t apply for that reason

[spring basalt]

Does Artimis pressure point (gives crit chance to all your damage) Include literally everything, like Doom, jolt, drunk poison etc? Or is it just for every attack and casts?

[proper furnace]

Everything that comes from zag

Stuff like traps/summons won't be able as they are a different source of dmg from zag

(hunter's mark does work with these tho)

[ionic shore]

2000 damage bouldy finna make me act up

[plain river]

It would be 3000 no?

[silent shore]

I think crits give +200% damage or more

[frank goblet]

crits give 3x damage👍 it can be increased by clean kill which is just a flat additive with your crit multiplier

ex epic clean kill makes crits deal instead of 200% 230%

[proper furnace]

Clean kill funniest boon ever

[proper furnace]

🤓 ☝️ 200% would be double dmg
Add the + smh my head

[silent shore]

🤓☝️ 200% is double damage, 100% is damage

[ivory estuary]

bro using aspect of zeus shield against hydra is so free

[hallow hollow]

Fax since they basically don’t move

[ivory estuary]

bro what are some tips for fighting charon, he literally ended my run before the first boss cuz his dmg is super high

[plain river]

90% of the difficulty from his is not knowing his timings since you never fight him

best way to get better at the fight is to take the bag whenever whereever

if you take it early, great, you get way more value since you have the 20% discount for longer, and if you lose who cares, you were 6 chambers in

if you fight him in elysium you’re way way stronger so you can blitz him down and his hits are less deadly

tl:dr so the main thing to get better at the fight is just doing the fight as often as possible

spend some time in fights just learning his telegraphs and timings to dodge moves

solely focus on dodging and learning rather than dealing damage

[uneven birch]

I found charon fight a lot more doable and safe if you have a ranged build. Bows do great. He has some really rough and quick punishes if you overstay your welcome near him

He really doesn't do much if you stay some distance away

I've not fought him much, but I pretty much only succeeded if I got the bag late in the run. He's just very unforgiving early on

[ivory estuary]

yea i noticed he stuns when u are close

ive beaten him once before with the rail

also does taking any zeus boon lock you out of merciful end?

i couldnt get that duo boon at all the whole run and i had ares attack and athena special

[craggy birch]

The only time I've beaten him was with the bow, so checks out

[proper furnace]

No

[ivory estuary]

ok so ive had shit luck then

[proper furnace]

Huh dyno didn't get you

Anyways at worst with zeus is if you opened his duos with ares or athena

(one requires vengeance boons/athena's cast)

[ivory estuary]

i didnt get duos w anyone at all lol

[proper furnace]

Lmao

[craggy birch]

I only get duos when I'm not trying

[ivory estuary]

yea literally same

i built hunting blades on accident

[craggy birch]

I get the Artemis/Poseidon one all the time because I typically end up choosing their boons over others

[proper furnace]

Mirage is one of the most Commons on accidental duos I think

[craggy birch]

^Mirage shot

[proper furnace]

Alongside like rod/sweet nectar

[ivory estuary]

bruh i just got curse of longing

my only weak inducer is the cast 🥀

[jolly chasm]

Rod 😌

[fast elm]

guys

people

humans

what do yall think is the best wepon

[rotund sluice]

Best? Shield

My fav? Fists

[fast elm]

thx

[grim seal]

If you could had an ideal build what would it be? I’m trying to recreate Zag in another game but I don’t know what boons to give him

[flat cedar]

What the easiest picks for pact of punishment?

[dull viper]

you can check banana's 32 heat guide

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[flat cedar]

Thanks!

[rotund sluice]

Really depends on the weapons.
Sword is nemesis crit build with Artemis and Aphrodite
Spear is (and this is VERY personal) an Achilles ice wine build. Most people would say smt like lightning strike and tidal dash I think.
Shield would be Flood Flare Beowulf with mirage shot.
Bow would be crit Rama with Zeus flourish.
Firsts (my main), would be merciful end on aspect of Demeter.
Rail would be aspect of eris Zeus strike, Artemis special, tidal dash

Imma need to go now to sleep, so please ask anyone else to specify the builds: they’re all pretty standard.
Except ice wine and maybe the spear as a whole
ADIOS AND GOOD NIGHT

[frail owl]

Is there a spreadsheet with all the working builds out there? Just finished Hades epilogue and I’m totally in love with the game, but searching for a quick overview list with all the builds out there. I’ve found some good resources, guides, YouTube channels, but no such thing as a spreadsheet.

[grim seal]

thanks, good night to you

[plain river]

You’ve found good youtuhe channels? Do share becauze the only real good youtube channels are super niche and then Haelain I guess

[frail owl]

We’re talking about the same.

[plain river]

Pinned in this channel is a website that has like 2-4 builds per aspect that range from “this works cohesively well” to “this is either meta or was meta before the meta developed a little more since”

[frail owl]

Unfortunately, got no better resources on youtube

[frail owl]

Ah,thanks! Well, guess I’ll bundle the builds in a spreadsheet myself then.

[plain river]

Otherwise if you look at all the individual aspect guides on speedrun.com

you can grab those

[frail owl]

Ah, good suggestions. Thanks

[plain river]

you would be missing out on high heat builds but 😔

[plain river]

Otherwise just ask here for clarity or specifics there are a lot of speedrunners and high heat gamers that love to yap about Hades (self included)

[severe cedar]

hi!
I am not new but havent played in a bit - if I am doing a Shattered Shackle run, is it affected (aka disabled) if I get a boon from Chaos or Urge to Kill?

[pearl plaza]

No shattered shackle boosts core boons which slots havent been filled, u can run some boon on your attack and nothing on special, and your special will be boosted whereas your attack wont be

[severe cedar]

I see, thanks! yea I new about the buff destribution overall, just got confused or misled by the wording. Technically Urge to Kill is a "Boon" and is "empowering" attack/special/cast so...

[pearl plaza]

Only thing that matters is the core slot :)

[plain river]

yeah you can run literally anything as long as it’s not a core boon from a regular olympian so don’t be scared about chaos boosts or anything else

[forest gazelle]

Anyone got some fun Lucifer aspect builds?I was using one earlier but Hades suddenly decided to let me through without a fight so I didn't get to test it against him lol

[plain river]

Triple bomb with any good +% special is like the #1 dps option

lightning strike is amazing on strike since it adds that flat damage to every hit, but also the aoe of the chain lightning can help you explode your bombs even sooner

[forest gazelle]

I was using Poseidon attack with Zeus special for the duo and it was really fun lol just disappointed Hades decided to just let me through

[plain river]

zeus special on luci is a little silly because the bombs just end up exploding themselves immediately thanks to the lightning

[forest gazelle]

Is it just once per file where he decides to just let you through I remember a similar situation happening on my PlayStation when going for 100% I now play on steam

[plain river]

It’s only for the credits

So your 10th win

[forest gazelle]

That's good to know

[frank goblet]

important to note as well the attack will still be buffed by shackle if you have something like hunter dash

[plain river]

New pfp?

?!?

[frank goblet]

yeppers

[solemn heath]

just got the aspect of Arthur for the stygian sword, are their any good/fun builds to try with it?

[plain river]

there are a few, the main distinguisher is whether you’re going to focus on the standing strike combo or end up dash striking a bunch

[solemn heath]

most likely dash striking

[plain river]

Double edge is lowkey your #1 hammer here then

double your dashstrike hammer and add a little bonus damage

[solemn heath]

ok thx

[plain river]

after that, breaching slash, super nova, double and piercing wave all work really well

kinda in that order to an extent

you really want a +% strike, but you have some choice

aphrodites is really nice, lets you stack more damage reduction, and just offers the highest +%

[solemn heath]

ok, im in a run rn lol and i have super nova

[plain river]

artemis is more rng with crits, but pops off harder if you get extra damage from chaos or rush delivery

[solemn heath]

ok

thx

[plain river]

Tidal dash and blade dash are great supplemental damage, especially for extra bossing damage and especially for killing those small guys that don’t really make sense to dash-strike individually

Though that’s a pretty universal thing for dashes

Not arthur specific

[rotund sluice]

Wrong game

[red mist]

oh

[plain river]

at our time of great need stickybot is still lost to us 😔

[grim seal]

What would be the most popular weapon/aspect other than Stygian Blade Aspect of Zagreus?

[rotund sluice]

That is NOT the most popular aspect

Definitely not

[fallen jay]

It's the iconic one because of illustrations, but yes, not particularly popular for playing

[plain river]

Chiron is a very popular one for casual gamers due it’s insanely low skill floor (it ends up being a big noob trap)

for speedrunning, beowulf, eris and hera are particularly popular, followed with achilles nemesis and zag sword

[grim seal]

im saying its the most popular as in the most total time spent in all players using it

because its the one that people begin playing with

though Hades does output long hours, and one can get new weapons fairly soon, so fair enough that it wouldn't be the most

[plain river]

I have a feeling the chiron noob trap has the most hours of all aspects ngl

[proper furnace]

Unlocking the next weapon takes like 1 or 2 runs and early sword kinda leaves an awful impression

I'd say a lot of people swap quite quickly lol

[quick willow]

-(e' nbhj b

[hollow roost]

What aspects for each weapon would you recommend to invest in first (after I max out Zag blade)? I think I'll commit to Achilles Spear and Chiron Bow at least, so what about the other four?

[fallen jay]

I like Zag Bow and Fists because they're cheap (5 blood to max instead of 15-16) but still good

[plain river]

Nemesis, zag bow or hera, eris, demeter, zeus shield

[fallen jay]

But there are good low blood aspects: Nemesis sword gets half of its total crit chance with just the initial blood, Hera (with certain Casts) and Rama are good with low blood

Don't feel like you have to max all of them to work (some need more investment than others)

[plain river]

mhm

nemesis, hera and zeus shield all get their main mechanic at level 1

and further levels just boost it further

Rama is awkward as a hidden aspect since you need hidden spear and 5 blood invested in the bow prior

[fallen jay]

Oh yeah, I overlooked that (and since it's hidden, first level is also more expensive)

[hollow roost]

thanks!

[hollow roost]

will keep that in mind!

[hallow hollow]

I just got hidden bow aspect revealed today

[frank goblet]

this an H1 channel not H2! #h2-builds-and-combat is a better place for that

[modern whale]

whoopsy

[jolly chasm]

we need sticky bot back

[frank goblet]

omw to change my name to stickybot

[reef orchid]

Going to try out Medea, havent since its buffs. What boons synergize well with that aspect?

[frank goblet]

#h2-builds-and-combat

[reef orchid]

ugh misread room, my bad!

[tacit vapor]

what's the most consistent build for zeus shield?

[rotund sluice]

Zeus special, go for jolted discharge, double strike and Zeus aid. Then grab Aphrodite attack for the ability to get Smolderibg Air

[gritty comet]

How rare is it to get 2 legendary and 2 duo boons in a single run?

[sand sonnet]

Pretty damn rare but theoretically possible

[proper furnace]

is not thaat rare assuming you know what you are taking

legendaries will make it annoying tho

[plain river]

It’s not that rare

unlikely yes

[gritty comet]

Damn, i thought I got insanely lucky

Divine protection, merciful end, deadly reversal, greater recall

These are the boons I got

[plain river]

Tbf if you don’t know the strats to optimise your odds

it is way luckier

[gritty comet]

Nah I was hunting for them, but not in any particular order. I was trying to complete the prophecies.

Charged shot+ tempest strike is very fun to use. It hits like a shotgun

[plain river]

I mean were you intentionally filling your godpool and cores early and grabbing status curse boons from the gods and goddesses involve to maximuse your chances?

[gritty comet]

I have no clue what you are talking about 🫠. I'm a casual player

[plain river]

exactly right

[proper furnace]

copypasta incoming

God pool
When you take a boon from a new god they are added to a pool.
-this pool can contain 4 gods-
Chaos and Hermes boons don't count for this
Once 4 gods are taken in this pool, the rest will disappear from the run. (As a note, selling all boons from a god will not remove the god from your pool.

What this means for runs is that you have better chances at seeing the gods you do care about and their duos. Before the good pool is closed you have a 1 in 7* ||or 8 once demeter is unlocked|| to be the god you want, with the pool closed, you increase your chance to 1 in 4.

How to break god pool cap
-Using a god keepsake of a god not in pool will force the god regardless and add them to the pool.
-On occasions, you can enter a midshop with 3 gods, buy your 4th god and have a 5th god in the exit door
-enter the last area with 3 or less gods and every god could be offered
Note: Breaking the god cap is usually not that useful as it just means less chances to get who you want again but if you really need that duo/divine dash then it is an option.

[plain river]

So it was on the luckier end of things

[gritty comet]

I did use a keepsake, probably lambent plume

[proper furnace]

hm I should add that info lol

but god keepsake means the ones from the main gods

which forces the next boon to be them + some rarity bonus

plume doesn't have this effect cuz hermes is funny like that

[gritty comet]

Yeah I used dionysus' keepsake

I'm trying to 100% the game

It is pretty hard

[plain river]

So like yeah if you don’t know this information it’s definitely luckier to hit that many duos and legendaries

[gritty comet]

All I did was check what boons i need to get for legendary/duo boons. I didn't plan that far ahead

[plain river]

in context it was lucky then

[spring basalt]

Does the shop item that increase rarity for the next boon stack with the duo boon that guarantees epic boons? Like is it more likely for me to get future duo/legendary boons if available?

[jolly chasm]

EA doesn’t increase duo/lego odds

Yarn does tho

So the answer is kinda?

Because the shop item increases duo odds but not the duo

[spring basalt]

Understandable

[plain river]

favour boons from chaos that boost rarity odds, and rarity boosting items (shop and Eurydice) have a hidden +10% epic chance and +10% duo/legendary odds

[spring basalt]

So the epic chance doesn't matter since it's guaranteed with EA, but at least the duo chance increase

With Nourished Soul, does it include "all" external healing (including other boons, weapon effect and hammers), or just from wells and dedicated items/spots that heals?

I only know that the gauntlet has a hammer that heals I think but not sur if there are other hammer effects like that

[plain river]

anything that doesn’t get affected by Lasting Conditions won’t be affected by this

So pretty much just max hp boosts, defiances and lifestealing hammers and weapon effects

[spring basalt]

Ah ok

[icy gale]

killing freeze says when all enemies are chilled, they decay

does that include the fireballs that hades spawns?

[rotund sluice]

Yes

[icy gale]

so I have to chill them too?

[rotund sluice]

I think

[rotund sluice]

I assume so yes

Though, never tested it

Better to do it to be safe anyway

[plain river]

Yeahhh you’ll have to

wicked good call gauge charging option thou

[worn dagger]

whats the meta for sword build?

[rotund sluice]

Aspect of nemesis, Artemis attack, Aphrodite special, Poseidon or Artemis dash
Go for heart rend
You need double edged hammer, it’s the most important by far
Dash attack x2, special, repeat

[plain river]

*tidal dash >>>> artemis dash

[rotund sluice]

Either work, and tidal dash can be annoying for people just trying it out

[rotund sluice]

Athena dash also works if ur scared

[zenith fractal]

Arty dash nem is quite an outdated one tbh imo

Like it's not the worst but the second you enter ely the damage dies

More of a high heat boon, there it's more difficult to get good chaos

[gritty comet]

Flurry shot+twin shot+ frost strike and arctic blast feels insanely powerful to use

It's oneshotting hades' projectiles

[plain river]

I mean this would be fine with any other +% strike and no arctic blast too tbh

flurry and twin is just strong

[gritty comet]

Yeah. Flurry is my fav, so I don't have to spam my attacks

[gritty comet]

Feel like it would be better with the gun

[plain river]

Uhhhhh

hardly

Spreadfire zagrail sure

Otherwise you’re leaving way too much damage on the table not using zeus strike

[stiff falcon]

hey guys

i need a good build for hades

btw how do i upgrade my weapons?

[plain river]

Need to unlock all weapons then die in a run to update the house of Hades

[graceful bison]

im trying to get gilgamesh and im looking for some fun aspect of zag builds to try to get the asterius mini boss and build ideas for the fists

also pls ping me with any build ideas i will not be paying attention

[plain river]

There’s like 3 main builds for fists
Zap (lightning fds)
Hangover (dio strike + aphro special just put all your poms on strike and find their duo)
Merciful End (Ares strike + athena special (to find the Merciful End duo) + divine dash (to abuse the duo)

Either way they all really enjoy breaching cross and long knuckle for hammers

and hyper sprint -> rush delivery for way more damage, or greatest reflex for way more dash strikes

[graceful bison]

ok

[worn dagger]

what are some current op meta builds for the gun?

[frank goblet]

zeus attack, high % special, aspect of eris, rocket bomb cluster bomb, hyper sprint rush delivery

[rotund sluice]

Are we forgetting Poseidon dash?

[worn dagger]

is this just 1 build? looks like its mixing both attack and special playstyle?

[plain river]

That’s a very common thing for builds

Rail special a lot with its strikes, so does sword and fists

[rotund sluice]

Think about it this way
What’s better, a gun?
Or a gun and a grenade.

[worn dagger]

damnn really? i was playing sword wrong then lol was just spaming dash strike and strike

never used special

[rotund sluice]

Yeah the optimal combo with sword is dash strike x2, special, repeat

[frank goblet]

most builds want to use the entire weapon's kit (except 3/4 sometimes 2/4 bows)

[rotund sluice]

And spears usually not spinnin

Except aspect of hades, which is just not that good.
And aspect of gy, but you usually like specials more than spins

[worn dagger]

gotchaa thanks guys

btw for hammer skills, do i take flurry fire or triple bomb if im running zeus lightning attack i should take flurry fire yea?

[frank goblet]

triple bomb, flurry genuinely isnt that much of a dps increase

[worn dagger]

rip went flurry, might help against pesky armored mobs atleast

[plain river]

Flurry isn’t a massive dps increase because it makes your firing happen faster than the lightning strike internal cooldown so sure you’re firing faster but you’re missing chain lightning on a number of those shots

[proud lichen]

Trying for 32 heat with the Rama bow, so far my build has focused Artemis attack and Zeus/Dionysus special. Anyone with some thoughts for some improvement or am I good?

[worn dagger]

ahh okay ill take tripel bomb next time then

[plain river]

Starting with zeus special and then ending up with a solid +% strike is a typical play

for rama

[worn dagger]

whats the meta build for sword btw? i heard there is multiple builds for it, ive been using athene for the attack deflect, seems very helpful but interested in actually playing a proper optimal build atm

[plain river]

Current speedrun meta is nemesis, tidal dash start, need to find double edge >>> breaching slash, piercing wave, double nova, super nova. Artemis or aphrodite strike, if you get one you kind of want the other on special

Absolutely want hunters mark from artemis, and pressure points and support fire are added scaling

You’re essentially going to be dash-strike dashstrike special -> repeat

You want dash strike damage and strike damage from chaos, and special damage if you don’t see those or if it’s a truly massive modifier

Hermes is hyper sprint -> rush delivery for big damage additive, or greatest reflex for more dash strikes

for random gods you find, zeus call is pretty solid here, especially when you can open smouldering air through aphrodite

ares has battle rage which gives you a massive damage boost to your next strike or special after a kill

dionysus again has a dps call, and strong drink is damage scaling

[worn dagger]

i honestly have been ignoring chaos, didnt know it plays part with the sword build. i hated how i was damaging myself for each attack i did when i first tried it lol

[plain river]

chaos pretty much plays into every weapon

it’s a free room with massive potential for damage boosts

You should consult which curse you’re going to get when you pick you boon though

[worn dagger]

wdym by tidal dash start btw? like have it as my keepsake so i get it instantly?

[plain river]

yes

poms on tidal dash also massively increase it’s damage btw

And things like breaking wave or razor shoals are massive massive scaling factors like

breaking wave can just delete enemies in tartarus, and styx and really chunk enemies in asphodel and elysium

[plain river]

This is the type of thing you can pull off if you regularly pick up chaos

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It’s on the rare end of runs

If you just look at the pinned boons

[frank goblet]

that looks good! high heat does usually prefer aphro attack over artemis attack but that isnt to say its bad, artemis dash is best in slot just for the % increase it gives and those are the best in slot specials too so looking good

[worn dagger]

whats poms btw

[rotund sluice]

Poms of power

[rotund sluice]

You should have encountered them as rewards, they power up a boon
The red ish fruit

[worn dagger]

ahh

[worn dagger]

can i add the life steal into this build btw

[proper furnace]

cursed slash doesn't work from dash strikes so not really

[plain river]

Cursed slash only works on standing strikes

so you’re practically taking a -60% max hp bonus

for nothing

[worn dagger]

yea but still i find it life saver in my gameplay than sweatin bullets at 10 health i can take a breather and just focus on regaining health

btw is this forever (until i die of course)? https://imgur.com/a/VWyTd8b

[proper furnace]

yes

[plain river]

You’re more likely to end up in that sweating bullets range when you have 40% max hp

also standing striking is like the most dangerous way you can deal damage on sword so cursed slash is actively putting you in more danger trying to regain that hp

[worn dagger]

ill try both out i guess but i did got like 125 hp last tiem i went curse slash lol

[worn dagger]

speaking of poms i assume tidal dash is priority is special my next pom priority?

[rotund sluice]

Just keep on pomming the dash

[plain river]

Mainly just dash, and razor shoals, dio call if you hit that

If you have aphrodite strike, put 1 pom on strike

[worn dagger]

well rng got me and it didnt have tidal dash as an option with the pom ;/

[rotund sluice]

Then do whichever looks right

[empty plume]

How do people comfortably get under 10 mins clear times?! Tha heck

[proper furnace]

build knowledge/small optimizations like pausing before doors to know what you are gonna take

know which rooms skip combats/save in game timer

[empty plume]

Still. I am barely under 20

How to get 10 more mins

Maybe coronacht is the reason?

[proper furnace]

for starters, always prioritize story rooms/shops/chaos gates

all weapons and aspects can sub 10 comfortably

tho if you are using bow and want to speedrun then you might wanna pick up hera

[empty plume]

Using chiron rn

Very reliably gets me through

On a 8 streak rn with each attempt increasing heat

But... for speed hera is better?

[proper furnace]

chiron is,,, something

as you've seen, is a comfortable option to keep winning but it lacks a lot

[empty plume]

Its what i chose naturally playing without guides

[proper furnace]

high dmg needs high rolls, lack of aoe, slow animations

hera is def the best bow for speed

you pick up crush shot then turns out casts can't lodge if you kill the enemy

[empty plume]

Usually i go aphro on att, dio/art on spec

[empty plume]

What do you mean?

[proper furnace]

a lot of casts get lodged into the enemy when hitting them right

just one shot them and the casts won't lodge and thus you use them again sooner

[empty plume]

Oh damn

That sounds like a good idea

[plain river]

The weapon is not often the reason

I have sub10 times with every aspect but Guan-Yu

It takes a bit more legwork for some, but on the whole sub10 isn’t far enough for the differences in aspects to really be an issue yet

Although you probably won’t be hitting sub10 times all tha soon with chiron if you’re playing special builds

[empty plume]

I am close to a sub 20 tho

Nowhere near 10

[jolly chasm]

I mean, even zyru and Nalei miss sub 10s on trashspects

[plain river]

Chiron sub10 is pretty easy if you just play it like discount zagvow

[jolly chasm]

Ye, but every once in a while you just get screwed

[tight basin]

Sometimes it do be like that lmfao

[empty plume]

Got greedy for the sub 20 and lost the streak. Freedom at last😂

[empty plume]

Ok so... next person to share a fun (decent) build gets used in my next run

[empty plume]

I seriously dont see how i can sub 10 with chiron aspect

@proper furnace any fun build i can try? What is your favourite? 🙂

[plain river]

I mean right now you’re so far off that a ton of it is going to be refining your mechanical skills

[empty plume]

So what do you recommend? What weapon build etc?

For getting better at the game

Rail?

[plain river]

You can use whatever you have fun with

Every weapon has the capability to go decently fast

they aren’t all made equal but

[empty plume]

I wanna try something new 🙂

[plain river]

I’d recommend a regular bow (anything other than chiron) or some rail aspects

because I personally enjoy those

it is also way easier to go faster with a regular bow compared to chiron

if any of them are like

speaking to you

[empty plume]

Im gonna try rail gun, how is eris?

[plain river]

Eris is the speed aspect for rail

+75% global additive is a little bonkers

[empty plume]

I assume with zeus?

[plain river]

yep

[empty plume]

Gotcha, lemme try 🙂

[plain river]

lightning strike, find static discharge (jolted) fast

Tidal dash from posiedon pops off

[empty plume]

So zeus attack with jolted and artemis on special?

[plain river]

any +% special will do, but artemis particularly

is ideal

[empty plume]

And tidal dash to pop enemies in the blast

Sound mechanical and fun as hell

[plain river]

especially when pressure points, hunters mark and support fire really lend into the eris gameplay

It is

Look for rocket bomb > clister bomb > triple bomb

[empty plume]

No hazard i assume

Unless i dash in the bomb zone

[tight basin]

considering you're still going for sub20, you should refine your overall mechanical skills and build pathing before you try getting that low immediately lmao

sub10 chiron is pretty doable, but it'll take a bit of time to get there

[empty plume]

No no im not looking to get it immediately ofc

[tight basin]

eris is a good starting choice tho

[empty plume]

Just dont see how to improve
.. yet

[tight basin]

prob build pathing

mirror maybe

[empty plume]

Whoops i went in a run without keepsake

[tight basin]

pausing between decisions can prob cut down a bit of time

[plain river]

builds, decision making, and then just mechanical combat skills

[tight basin]

enemy priority/grouping although chiron doesn't really have aoe lmfao

[empty plume]

My decisions are fast. I assume its mainly the wrong ones

[plain river]

💀

[tight basin]

probably lmfao

if you're using hangover for chiron, you're not gonna be going that fast either

comparably anyways

but it's still doable

[empty plume]

Using aphro on att and art on spec

[tight basin]

then you need the concentrated volley hammer lmfao

[empty plume]

Yes

Gonna do a run brb

Forgot the keepsake again

lmao

[plain river]

Chiron really gets bottle necked by how long it takes to perform a special and how single target it is

All hitting good hammers for your build is really really rng

at least with strike builds 6/12 hammers are good so you’re hitting a good hammer practically every hammer drop

for a chiron special build, only 2 hammers really boost the damage of your special

[plain river]

This is practically the zag bow crit build lmao

like

chiron and zag bow don’t actually build that differently in terms of gods

at least their crit builds

[empty plume]

Yeah it is

Rn im as fast on bow as on rail

But

I died

[plain river]

You’re going as fast with eris as you were with chiron?

That’s a little disconcerting

[empty plume]

No, no its not

[plain river]

What does your mirror and pact look like atm

[empty plume]

I am just not good with rail yet

Its like my second time ever using it

And already equally fast

[plain river]

Fair enough

[empty plume]

I could send you a photo in dm?

[plain river]

Yeah

You can send photos here if you know how image links / embedded images wirks

[empty plume]

Ill figure it out

[plain river]

If you’ve sent the image elsewhere on discord you can right click on it, copy the media link and send it here

[empty plume]

Thanks again

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[jolly chasm]

Idk if you already got this advice, but I highly recommend switching off of Dark Regen, Abyssal blood, and Golden Touch

[empty plume]

I have. Thanks to shackle

[jolly chasm]

Thought that might have happened

Shackle my goat frfr

[empty plume]

Thank you as well 🙂 good vibes here in the server

[cedar quail]

peeps got a question what if e,g, I get hunting blades early what to do now

[empty plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423360214047920288/1423399457881591818/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_3695ba98-c099-4c4f-a282-7ec36fc0f211.jpg?ex=68e02b8c&is=68deda0c&hm=eb7001b0701a01adce1835c4089d26e8bf209acf2d75d7c3e122170e231781a4&

Got my sub 20

[plain river]

Start building out the rest of your boons

Put your poms on blades for the most part and get those generic boons from artemis like pressure points and hunters mark that’ll generically boost your blades

and the ares secondaries

further scaling from chaos

[cedar quail]

btw what does it mean everytime Hades shows up before a run

[tight basin]

Nothing much

They're just flashbacks

[plain river]

Lore

[frank goblet]

^ has no actual effect on the run

[rotund sluice]

I don’t believe that’s in hades 1

[mental cedar]

Oops i posted this in the wrong channel. sorry!

[rotund sluice]

Good luck on your endeavours anyway!

[mental cedar]

Thanks! For what its worth i absolutely loved hades 1

[rotund sluice]

Well that sucks that was a spoiler for me too

And I’ve started H2

[sharp tendon]

any tips on playing the spear, mainly aspect of hades but rlly spear in general

I feel like the attack (both normal and spin) tend to jank up some extra frames before allowing me to dash

[rotund sluice]

My tip? Don’t play aspect of Hades, it’s the worst spear by far. If you’ve done DO want to play it though, do a small spin only and do the rest of your damage traditionally. Try to use the spears range to your advantage, and find a build that works for you.

[sharp tendon]

yeah I thought so
regardless tho I feel like there's a gap between attack and dodge that I cant seem to time right with rooms with flamewheels and small rats

[rotund sluice]

You can use Poseidon dash for that

[sharp tendon]

makes sense

man after maining staff in hades 2, lowkey forgot how annoying the Spear special was

[rotund sluice]

I’d recommend just censoring the weapon

May I ask why you’re playing the Aspect of Hades

[sharp tendon]

for fun

well technically there's a [Hades 2 spoiler] reason for it but yeah lets just say its a nostalgia trip

[gloomy fox]

Anyone know what boon I should aim for
I'm going for a speed and dodge chance run

[brazen grail]

What weapon aspect are you using

[gloomy fox]

Zag

Should I use his sword or the fist

[brazen grail]

Whichever weapon u want, u just generally play a certain way (ie pick certain boons) based on weapon

For speed and dodge chance that’s all Hermes, but ur gaurnteed to get offered Hermes regardless of anything else u do if u live long enough

Once u accept 4 boons from 4 different gods (not counting Hermes or chaos) u don’t see any more gods for that run

Speed and dodge chance are offered by Hermes, but he’s not so much as a build more like side aspects of ur build

Well I guess I did slightly misspeak

#h1-for-new-players message

[plain river]

Mispeak where

I don’t really see anything wrong with your statements

[brazen grail]

Oh woot

Idk I got nervous because I suddenly realized I was making bold statements about a game I’ve only been playing for a couple weeks

Easy recipe for misspeak

[plain river]

Eh you referenced someone who was also doing the exact same thing so

[brazen grail]

Well that I did not know

[plain river]

Yeah tbf this happens all the time

[plain river]

Tbh it’s bound to happen when we have this like influx of new Hades players over the last 3 weeks

New players tell other new players what worked for them even if it’s not exactly the best advice possible

[charred hamlet]

Btw funny thing is

Hermes can overwrite good keepsake spawns

"Bet you were expecting my half sister"

Idk if the next boon is froom the god you keepsaked

But its quite funny

[plain river]

He doesn’t overwrite them

[brazen grail]

Hermes and chaos don’t count as olympians

[plain river]

he’s simply just pulled seperately from all boons

[charred hamlet]

They just get pushed forward?

[plain river]

nope

they’re just different rewards

hermes is like an obol/ heart and hammer in terms of reward generation where he’s an entirely seperate thing from regular god boons

[charred hamlet]

Doesnt he have dialogue where he mentions you mighta been expecting someone else

[plain river]

where regular god boons are pulled as a god boon first and then the god is chosen after

[brazen grail]

When pooling for Olympian boons the game doesn’t consider Hermes one of them

[plain river]

hermes boons are entirely seperate in the bag of rewards the game can pull from

[charred hamlet]

Gotcha

Tho he does have dialogue if you have another gods keepsake tho

[plain river]

that’s why they can supercede internally anyways

[brazen grail]

He does, doesn’t change how he’s pooled

[plain river]

Yeah that’s just like a “check what keepsake you’re using when you take a hermes boon with dialogue” check

not specifically him taking over a boon that should’ve been someone else

[charred hamlet]

Thats neat

[empty plume]

Yo, what is the best bow aspect for heat? What about speed?

@plain river

Im gonna try rama

Seems like the hardest aspect but according to the guide found in this dc its "insanely good for heat"

[frank goblet]

rama best for heat, hera best for speed

rama has stupid high damage outputs even at really high heat

hera has high damage outputs but falls off on high heat

[empty plume]

What about

Speed at high heat

My first ever attenpt at rama at the highest heat ive ever done was only 3 mins slower than my fastest with chiron

[frank goblet]

rama is best for heat speed yes

(the unmodded 50 speed record is faster than the modded lmao)

[plain river]

Hera for speed rama for heat

[languid talon]

my favorite sword boon is thee one where you hold the button down to attack. i call it 'the chainsaw'

[empty plume]

Alr thanks

Trying rama rn. Feels slower but is faster at the same time lol

[frank goblet]

as with the other bows, its dash striking and a lot of positioning needed for it

[empty plume]

Im following a textual guide, do you happen to know of a good visual one?

[frank goblet]

i cant think of any off the top of my head rn

[empty plume]

That is alright, thank you anyway!

[high flint]

Which weapon do you guys use to beat hades after the hall of Styx?

[tight basin]

Whatever you're most comfortable with

All are pretty viable

[waxen dragon]

I tried to use Chiron with. Demeter build and didn't quite make it but managed it with a nemesis build though I was lucky in nemesis to get killing freeze, dash, winter harvest as it was tight.

Seems like Demeter build tends to depend on killing freeze, and if possible winter harvest. Failed with Demeter fist

[rough blade]

coronacht, specifically the aspect of hera

[rotund sluice]

Aspect of Demeter fists

[waxen dragon]

Demeter skills seem to really need the artic blast, killing freeze it seems unless I'm missing something? I barely cleared a run with Rama

[rotund sluice]

Demeter really isn’t that good on her own.
Well she really isn’t that good, period, but I digress.

[plain river]

There’s a reason only one aspect even has a build that actively goes out of its way to find demeter

24 aspects

and only one has a single build that cares about getting dem specifically

and it’s not even for a core boon from her

It’s for snow burst

[waxen dragon]

Oh what build goes for that? The only Demeter build I mostly think is sort of ok is crystal beam with Artemis duo

[rotund sluice]

That’s Hera or Beowulf I believe

I can’t be 100% sure, I’m not a fan of the two

[plain river]

Hera

Aphro cast and snow burst from demeter to prok priv status

that’s legimately the only non-meme build that actively takes demeter

pretty consistent, very solid damage

[waxen dragon]

Oh I see

[plain river]

To that end, meme beams is traditionally more of a meme build

[rotund sluice]

It’s in the name

[plain river]

[rotund sluice]

Ice wine exists tho! The only time I willingly seek Demeter.

[plain river]

Ice Wine is still a trade-off of functionality

[rotund sluice]

Hm?

[plain river]

being able to prefire your casts for waves and phases

prior to getting ice wine

You lose that ability when you take the monkey paw speed

[rotund sluice]

Tbf, the “monkey paw speed” lets you actually reliably hit your shots and increase your damage

Plus I find it insanely fun with Achilles

Literally my fav Achilles build

But admittedly it’s prolly a b tier boon

[waxen dragon]

But for snow burst you have to be in melee range right?

[rotund sluice]

Yes, but also very weapons a melee weapon

[rotund sluice]

So it doesn’t really matter

Anyway imma go sleep cya

[plain river]

What

600 unit radius is not melee range

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I don’t actually have a clip with snow burst on me but I have one with lightning bolts with a 598 unit radius

which is just barely shy of snow burst

If you’re playing bow your targets should be able to be hit within that distance to you

It’s mid-range not melee range

[plain river]

This is also true

Pretty much every Hades weapon functions just as well if not better in melee range, aside from like Guan-Yu and Chiron I suppose

[charred hamlet]

Tbh even chiron wants mid range

Otherwise your arrows could go into walls or pillars

Pretty annoying issue in 4th area

[waxen dragon]

Oh I see, I tend to keep a distance. I guess I have to learn how to dash attack though bows have a long charge for dash attack?

[tawny crane]

Is sword special->dash attack->dash attack or special->dash attack->special

[waxen dragon]

I'm no sword expert, I tend to do special -> 1 or 2x dash attack -> dash away and then repeat.

[plain river]

Dash striking makes bow like 8x better

the charge is still there for the dash-strike but it’s 50% faster

[plain river]

Dstrike 2x -> special -> repeat

[tawny crane]

But special first since i have aspect of nemesis on

[brazen grail]

What’s a good attack boon for Hera bow?

[plain river]

literally anything +% for the most part

on the whole it’s usually artemis given the option, between mirage shot, heart rend and lightning rod and the absurd hammer +% you get to really make that crit damage work for you

And like all her secondaries help out

her generic secondaries like pressure points / hunters mark / support fire pop off, you can get exit wounds for extra boss damage, and fully loaded is also like right there

[rough blade]

artemis best girl
artemis boons > snow burst imo especially when snow burst is so hard to find (it ain't a core boon)

I sometimes run deadly reversal
your special is kinda dead on hera anyways so it's fine placing athena special to open the duo
your crit chance shoot up and you're very happy when crush shot crits

[abstract sluice]

whats best weapon to use for a posiden dash build? like smth to weave inbetween dashes sometimes

or just use whichever weapon has a darkness boost for the run

[rotund sluice]

Poseidon dash is more a build maker than a build itself

Just slap it on anything except maybe the bow (even then that could work) and it’s good

But it’s not something you want to build purely around

[abstract sluice]

i mean ive jsut been doing posiden and sometimes get the thor lighting on dash thing to have both

and it kinda destroys everything

[rotund sluice]

Yup

Sea storm?

That can definitely boosts your dash damage by smiting them with lightning

Mornin shackle

[plain river]

Every weapon loves them but sword and achilles spear are the only weapons that go out of their way to start with tidal dash

[abstract sluice]

is that a weapon?

[rotund sluice]

Duo boon

[plain river]

Sea storm is the zeus/pos duo boon that makes your knockback effects drop lightning

it was too strong when tidal dash opened it so you need a different pos core to find it

[rotund sluice]

That’s what I thought you meant here

[rotund sluice]

Merciful end got a similar treatment

[abstract sluice]

yea it is but i dont acually know any names of stuff

[rotund sluice]

That’s fair

[abstract sluice]

how do i get the final weapon? i have the other 5

[rotund sluice]

Keys

And if it’s not showing up just do more runs

[abstract sluice]

yea i have enough but the weapon isnt there

oh ok

[icy gale]

I've kind of liked pos dash on bow because bow takes a little time to hit groups of enemies and the dash buys you that time