h1-builds-and-combat

[sharp tendon]

havent tried going for the achievement yet so im just gathering tips

[proper furnace]

Can also get Hermes's quick favor

That's guaranteed to get you a full call if you wait

[sharp tendon]

Oooh yeah, If I can snag it

[plain river]

Smaller more frequent hits are more valuable 👍. For hits that are less than or equal to 60 damage you get full value, then additional damage past 60 is square rooted

Taking damage actually boosts you call super fast as well

Just learned that apparently hunters instinct has a 0.5s cooldown and I’ve never been more disappointed in a boon

I already thought it was pretty bad and now it’s like the one type of build that would really benefit from it

can’t even

[wintry nimbus]

yall got any good build ideas for aspect of arthur? ive been liking it so far with artemis or athena so lmk

help a brother out

[valid dagger]

You can try a dash striking build, I assume you are using standing strikes currently which is the common way. Dash strikes can make the wep feel less clunky but they are tougher to get used to. They also benefit greatly from the double edge hammer. Try Aphro attack, it should be better than Athena's at higher rarity, you can pair it with Artemis' dash for extra dash strike dmg. Aside from that try to find alternate damage sources, the call is a big one. Try to aim for Zeus, with Aphro's attack that unlocks the Smoldering Air duo which complements the build. If you see more Zeus you can take Jolted/Double strike. Dio is another good option for the call. You can pick up a cast along the way aswell, they can be nice dmg and range in a pinch, Athena's cast is great. Other than that there isnt much you can do, you'll have to improvise depending on what the game throws at you but that's the gist of it.

[wintry nimbus]

thanks :))

[normal zephyr]

Hello. I still don't get used to use the bow. Does anyone has suggestions about how to use it and what builds to use with them? I got the week more than a week ago, I've already got some victories but with Bow... Yeah, still not there lol

[plain river]

With the bow, it’s super rough if you aren’t dash-striking

so that’s usually the first thing that newer players need to learn about the bow

When building it, you’re going to want to use a +% based strike (which one depends on the aspect and the build you’re aiming for)

[normal zephyr]

I'll go with Zag one, to get used to the basics

[plain river]

Zag bow typically aims for a crit build, using either artemis or aphrodite for the strike and then taking the other on special or cast for the heart rend duo

Aphro strike is really nice because it’s consistently good damage and it applies weak for the purposes of using heart rend, but Artemis can be a bit better because of the sheer number of +% hammers on bow that make up for the lacking additive + chaos can always make up for both strikes

whichever route you go down you’ll want hunter’s mark from artemis to start crit chains

speaking of the hammers, bow has a ton of good hammers for strike builds

Twin shot, Triple shot, Perfect Shot, Point-Blank Shot, Flurry Shot and Explosive Shot are all great options

Having a damaging dash is pretty crucial for bows styx tbh

You can run hunter dash for even more dash-strike damage, but you sacrifice the instant aoe of say tidal dash to deal with any smaller enemy hoards

[normal zephyr]

Ok, I'll keep in mind for my next run. Thanks!

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422744/1396610583108784188/04A89F71-978C-440D-B199-FA8F2D1A0BBD.jpg?ex=687eb676&is=687d64f6&hm=ea2cddfe951e8fe60393193a09aaf84fa681c4d2f485d0363594d26dffb21505&

@zenith fractal fds nem?!?

[zenith fractal]

lmao

I think this is sell special and equip shackle angle

[plain river]

not arrowhead?

I’ve got a chaos gate up next anyhow

[frank goblet]

dont do that and equip hermes keepsake and get bad news (dont do this)

[plain river]

Equip hermes keepsake get massive movespeed stacks

hit hyper delivery

I keep hitting purple rd ngl

it’s actually an insane amount of the time

[zenith fractal]

the problem with this is that you have exactly 0 heart rend or deadly reversal prereqs entering asphodel

you also don't have ME cores the right way around, so pivoting to ME isn't an option either

you also don't have an attack, so you either want to fill that ASAP (hence why you were looking at artemis), but shackle keepsake does that immediately meaning you possibly kill stuff pre getting your first god boon for that biome

[frank goblet]

reversiful end

[zenith fractal]

to clarify, I don't think artemis attack is completely insane (in fact in that situation it'd be the other meta option I think), but shackle keepsake is really good on nem because you can freely pivot out of it if you later on encounter something with high enough % anyway. and if you don't, keeping shackle on all the way can work too.

[normal zephyr]

Well, I just got Explosive Shot just going out to Tartarus lol

[plain river]

Explosive is a little weird of them all like

It’s a massive damage boost but it throws off the timing

I personally avoid it for any of the other above mentioned hammers whenever I can because of that

[rotund sluice]

It’s like a pseudo Rama

[normal zephyr]

The timing is odd, but I kinda got used to it by now?

I've got Heart Rend, yes!

[normal zephyr]

I lost to the end, but hey, I feel I can manage bow better now... I'll probably won't be choosing Explosive Shot anytime soon though 😅

[plain river]

I can’t escape demeter

She keeps forcing her way into my nem runs

literally every run it’s like no I’m gonna avoid you until you end up in a chamber with only one exit and then I have to take you and like

GAME give me the other gods

If artemis showed up with this much aggression I’d have a solid crit build by now

I can’t escape her

I actually just cannot

[dull viper]

fated authority time

[plain river]

nope

I love RD more than I hate dem

and chaos

and ichors 🤤

WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE’S EVEN HAUNTING MY RANDOM BOON BAGS

Survival Room and Than back to back

[jolly chasm]

Than in tart :/

[plain river]

I know

:/

[normal zephyr]

Is Demeter like... Bad? I got Ice Wine and I kinda want to try a cast build with that lol

[plain river]

For like

90% of conventional/meta builds

She just doesn’t have a good place

She’s only really a main goddess in like Crush Shot Hera and Ice Wine {generic castpect}

and on like every other build she opens duos you don’t want or just doesn’t support you as well as some other tertiary god

and particularly with the build I’m running rn I just do not want her anywhere near me

[jolly chasm]

Wdym, mistral dash and frozen touch are great on every build

[plain river]

True I can always exchange my tidal dash for a higher rarity mistral

[plain river]

Mannnn my promising runs always die

There I was at 8:57.00

and I get dad spun when he’s almost dead

😔

It was a stupid run too I have 3 favour boons from Chaos

[plain river]

It’s so close

Will I get my next resource director rank before or after I sub9 sword. Place your bets now

[dull viper]

which aspect are you grinding anyway

[plain river]

Nem

I got sub10 all weps early today and I only have sword and bow in 9:xx

so I figure I may as well get all sub9

[plain river]

Take a look here #h1-victory-boasting message

[dull viper]

there is no escape 👹

[plain river]

See

Sword is like actually my worst weapon

this is atrocious

I’m saving bow bc I want to learn pseudotech

[plain river]

Anyone who bet for before, cash-in

[analog mauve]

i will get max rank again before you sub9 sword

2/3 of the way there already

[tropic palm]

I just discovered a very good OP build, but its probably hard to get, if you are able to get it, you can just spam q near an enemy and they will explode lmfao
Aspect of Zeus (Lv4-5), Thunder Flourish, Static Discharge, High Voltage, Double Strike, Splitting Bolt, and Explosive Return

[analog mauve]

yes

[tropic palm]

and preferably, get some boon which allows you to get the double boon more damage thingy

[analog mauve]

high voltage hardly does anything btw

[tropic palm]

I got wave of despair, and if i spam q hard enough the game glitches and applies it even if i took no damage

[tropic palm]

I see

but its good for grouped foes

[winter spruce]

:/ Can't send images in this channel specifically for whatever reason, but which is better Low Tolerance or or Black Out for a Aphro attack Dio special build

[lucid oar]

Blackout is better if you have non hangover sources of damage but low tolerance is easier to maintain (don’t have to stand in fog)

So id pick low tolerance

Low tolerance is also better the more % global damage you have from other sources

[mild skiff]

whats the best build for the chrion bow? rn i use Aphrodite’s attack and dionysus special along with ares’s curse of vengeance and athena’s dash

[lucid oar]

it’s either that or sea storm (poseidon special)

although playing chiron like zag bow is similarly strong

[woven olive]

I finally beat hades

I had 4 revives saved up just for the fight 💀

[rough blade]

ggs!

now do it again

[normal zephyr]

I haven't made a build using Poseidon boons in... Uhh... A while, what weapon benefits from it?

[plain river]

Beowulf

With his cast

Lucifer is pretty much the only weapon in game that will run his strike

and every weapon in game will gladly run his dash since it’s the best dps dash

[normal zephyr]

Ohh, I unlocked Lucifer already

[plain river]

This one’s a meme build called super soaker but it’s atleast a build yk

since tidal dash is so common and so splashable on everything I figured I’d mention the 2 that use anything else from him

[plain river]

For this you run his strike, and then you throw zeus on wherever (most usefully call, and perhaps dash)

for sea storm

and then whatever +% you can than isn’t pos on special works tbh

[drifting trout]

I still don't understand why the lucifer special is a poppable orb

[dull viper]

why wouldn't it be

[drifting trout]

I read the wiki page on it and okay I can see its use

-# why isn't any of this crap listed ingame tho

[plain river]

That explosion has the base damage of the aspect

like as you level it up

but every pulse is only 25

so you get a ton of value from setting the hellfire blasts around and then exploding them whenever you want

[proper furnace]

Or you click triple bomb for almost clocket dmg from 1 hammer

[plain river]

I feel like if you really got into it with Luci you could figure out a way for the special to pop off as pulsing turrets for some rooms

maybe place 3 around with pos special and bwave

[proper furnace]

Zeus special would be so funny if it didn't self detonate

2nd copy of rod

[worthy grail]

I found an old video I took of the Big Bad Update of Hades, almost 6 years ago. To my knowledge this is the single hardest-hitting attack possible in Hades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lmnfQpHa30

[jolly chasm]

you can hit him harder with dio beo

still pretty cool tho

[dull viper]

oh my god the ui and animations look terrible compared to now

[worthy grail]

It's an older game.

Oh, you mean compared to current H1?

Next time I open it I'll try to remember to check.

It's old enough to be the old sword Special animation, that's for certain.

[analog mauve]

with a single cast?

[jolly chasm]

Not with one stone

[plain river]

No Mirage Beo w/ Hunter’s mark type thing would work?

[plain river]

Wait did dad have 0 breakpoints atp in game development

[jolly chasm]

Actually you totally could with one stone and a crit plus heartrend

[plain river]

Real play is stacking trap damage

[frank goblet]

Shard gaming

[jolly chasm]

Trueeee

[plain river]

I love *5^x trap damage

[analog mauve]

i remember getting 7k dmg on em3 dad per pot

with like 3 shards

[plain river]

I feel like between either stacking shards or ichors

You can definitely get a massive multi to hit dad that hard, it’s just Dad has breakpoints now so you can’t burst him for that much at once

[proper furnace]

mod that removes the breakpoints

[zenith fractal]

the layerskip rama bug from hades the videogame

[graceful garnet]

am I tripping or is dire misfortune with the adamant rail strong af

took forever to get my first win and the run after I just did it super easily with that

[analog mauve]

Is that the one that increases doom dmg with no of hits

Yea it's goated with doom atk

[graceful garnet]

yup

I felt insanely overpowered

[tight basin]

on rail?

idk about overpowered lmao but it's certainly not bad

doom on rail attack is a bit sus but it's not the worst thing

[analog mauve]

its the 2nd best thing

[lucid oar]

3rd

[analog mauve]

whats 2nd

[lucid oar]

Dio

[analog mauve]

nooo

fake

ares > dio

[steady hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-gif-23306740

[worthy grail]

The breakpoints still had overflow at that point in EA. Now in H1 and H2 your damage is hard capped to prevent from going past phases.

[plain river]

I opened my game to a run w/ zeus strike so I assumed it was eris bc I’ve been running a lot of Eris

it’s zag sword cuz I was aiming for flurry.mp4

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flurry.mp4?ex=6883b41c&is=6882629c&hm=c362ac9e9734a01565bd1112b59f8860ff2e2b67b55d3224182d2673816e2603&

actually @jolly chasm what’s the play for speedrunning zag shield

I could use a break from eris

[jolly chasm]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[plain river]

I assume chaos works same as zag

Cshot and

[jolly chasm]

Cshot me or cshot soup

chaos is aspect of zeus call tbh

[plain river]

I haven’t learned wavedashing or skating whatever they decided to call it

[jolly chasm]

scooting

it's not terribly useful on non beo shields tho

it's also pretty easy to learn

[plain river]

Ok so after using chaos for like 5 minutes

I don’t want to do this anymore

lemme hit like a pebble

I even had purple jolted and tdash and I just wasn’t doing good damage

that was also the only time I’ve ever take substanial damage from inferno bombs

[jolly chasm]

Did you have cshot

[proper furnace]

Shocking

[plain river]

Nope

[jolly chasm]

That’s why lmao

[plain river]

tdash + jolted should work on everything 😔

[jolly chasm]

Shields without cshot are almost unusable

Wait

What did you have Zeus on

[plain river]

strike

[jolly chasm]

Special?

[plain river]

and then flourish when I got 3rd zeus and didn’t care for him on dash

[plain river]

Had ‘im on strike first cuz I’m sane and all I remembered was shield base damage is like 25 on strike and dash-strike

[jolly chasm]

ye

but it's hella slow

it's fine with jolted, but eshot is def better

eshot is almost as strong as tdash in tart

[plain river]

speaking of tdash

[jolly chasm]

it falls off later, but it's incredible early

[plain river]

and zeus strike

would it kill the game to stop giving me everything but them

when

Zeus or pos show up like

💔

Already down a reroll out the gates cuz I don’t want to wait around waiting to die early

and the pos comes along and gives me anything but tdash

💔

[jolly chasm]

that's how it goes sometimes

but 'tis just the nature of the game

[plain river]

Mmm

went back to eris

got my lightning strike and floodshot rn

huh is a c6 challenge room w/ pos and zeus worth for tdash and a zeus secondsry

vs aphro

[jolly chasm]

yes

[plain river]

I feel like early tdash and Jolted or Storm Lightning (to set up for Splitting Bolt) might be big timesave later

Could take rare jolted

[jolly chasm]

ye

[plain river]

or epic zeus aid

[jolly chasm]

worth

jolted early is good, call opens more hermes boons

[plain river]

Oh trye

I was thinking about the lightning bolt secondaries but not hermes 💔

-47 max hp from chaos when I have like

50 max hp

[jolly chasm]

goated tbh

hc back instantly

[plain river]

for cast damage

[jolly chasm]

oh

rip

[plain river]

no obols for 3 rooms for special damage seems like

eh no obols is kind of sad

dash range down for dash-strike damage seems more neutral?

Wait I have 362 obols who cares

[jolly chasm]

how many obols and what chamber

[plain river]

C9

[jolly chasm]

oh yea

def worth

[plain river]

Triple bomb

Rocket Bomb start is always ideal but it is what it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1398152611407855679/IMG_2064.jpg?ex=68845296&is=68830116&hm=d8a719f2221d4f0614a861e916aa0dcf1e2fb659888f33d8a1e8976ca49e89ae&

Ideal tart leave? I mean it could use arte but I’ll force her in

[jolly chasm]

def good

triple 3rd best, but ye

[plain river]

I think I might rank triple higher than cluster on its own since I find it way easier to get big value from triple

[jolly chasm]

i think that's pretty valid tbh

[plain river]

Barge

3:22 barge entry

C20 ummm I’m behind schedule

25s barge hmm

I think I killed all the enemies as fast as humanly possible

[tight basin]

borge

the enter animation is basically the time you need to finish any other asphodel miniboss lmao

barge is so bad

it's also bad for like the average room too

[plain river]

It’s like yes every enemy died within 2 frames of spawning

but

you took 8 minutes disembarking

and 7 landing

4:30 and I’m not even at Lernie

How do people sub5😭

[tight basin]

without barge

[plain river]

Rocket acquired

Trockets

[plain river]

Barge

2

I love btb barge runs

[plain river]

I understand explosive shot rama now

Sometimes it feels really bad thou

[tight basin]

it's really bad against bosses

in normal rooms you start to get used to it and can like use it kinda

then you get to heroes and you're like "well this sucks"

[plain river]

I actually

Thought it was fine against heroes

and on regular enemies I was like !? You should do more damage

[tight basin]

oh lmfao

maybe bc i took it on em3 that's why i hated it

[plain river]

Oh

Em3 would make me want to die

It does that in general but

It would be nice if zeus stopped running away after c1

C31 Jolted is a little late

💔

9 ranks away from Unseen One

229k/325k needed atp

[analog mauve]

Is that how much u have or need

I got like 210k spare

[plain river]

How much I have

[valid dagger]

Pretty gud

Should make it by next year

[plain river]

Honestly

with the pace I’m currently at

I might have it by the end of the summer

[sly canopy]

is

[rotund sluice]

is?

[sly canopy]

i do NOT remember typing that

[zenith fractal]

is

[frank goblet]

is

[timid adder]

What could be considered an op build

[frank goblet]

diobeo + mirage shot (dionysus cast on beowulf)

[jolly chasm]

Flood flare is just as op ngl

[frank goblet]

isnt diobeo more damage? wouldn’t know fs

[jolly chasm]

more damage yes

but way less consistent

and it's not like flood flare is struggling for damage lmao

[plain river]

Mirage Beo is still busted without being highroll thou

[frank goblet]

the level 1 common pos cast in my pocket🥀

[jolly chasm]

easy fix

reset common

[plain river]

level 1 common dio cast

[jolly chasm]

also true

[plain river]

Super soaker zag sword

that’s the real busted build

Trust

[jolly chasm]

the best part about that is that build prob isn't even terrible if you get jolted 😭

[plain river]

Flurry pwave pos strike

yeah

jolted makes everything better

[unique siren]

Something that is overpowered

Hope this helps

[plain river]

If I keep up the current rate I’ll have it by Aug 4th tbh

The speed grind is real 😁

[waxen creek]

I have a question. When you button mash your dashes as fast as possible, will there always be a gap where you don't have i-frames?

Please @mention me if you know

[rotund sluice]

Yes

After two dashes, there will be a gap where you can’t dash, and you’ll be vulnerable @waxen creek

[plain river]

your dashes are literally like a magazine clip that automatically reloads when it’s empty or after not dashing for the interval

I can’t remember the cooldown period

[rotund sluice]

Greatest reflex gives ya more ammo, but still won’t let you get perma invincibility

[plain river]

Iframes letting you dodge td damage is really funny thou

[rotund sluice]

Yah

[timid adder]

Any build like shield of Zeus hangover crit

[plain river]

While that was a rather potent zeus shueld dio build

I wouldn’t really say it’s overpowered

[timid adder]

Ok

[rotund sluice]

How about some good ‘ol Merciful End? Is that broken?

[proper furnace]

The rng needed keeps it in check I'd say

[bright owl]

ok guys i need help

what is a good build for the 9 minute timer?

[jolly chasm]

Eris plus Zeus attack and Pos dash is a great one to start with

Hera plus crush shot and snow burst is also really nice

Oh

I misread that bad lmao

Any build will work for td1

[tight basin]

any sort of standard meta build would work, there's a link pinned in this channel

[proper furnace]

was about to ask what's your average clear time

[bright owl]

...

around like...

over 20min under 30min

[proper furnace]

that's enough for td1

time carries over between regions

you have a max of 36 mins

and overtime isn't an insta kill

is 5 dmg/s

[bright owl]

oooohhhhh

also what does TD1 mean?

[jolly chasm]

Tight deadline 1

It’s the one that gives a 9m timer

[plain river]

Honestly as long as your build is cohesive you should be fine

[bright owl]

cohesive?

[plain river]

Some builds are a lot faster than others but most speed comes down to your own skill

[bright owl]

oooohhhhh

ok

[plain river]

If your build works together

rather than you just throwing together random things

[bright owl]

i see

i think ima just go with my fav build (Dionysus cast bonk)

[plain river]

fair enough

[bright owl]

guys what is a good build to get the thorn of Thanatos badge?

[dull viper]

his achievement? play hestia with aphro attack and take out everything from a safe distance

[bright owl]

ok

[still vortex]

So help me with a key binding and strategy for doing nemesis dash strikes better? Should I have attack or dash on shoulders? I'm playing with dash on "b" and attack on "y" on the nintendo switch controller, and getting dash strikes consistently over and over again is hard.

[sweet jewel]

i but my thumb over y b and x and i spam continuosly and i get them quite consistently

[proper furnace]

Yeah I do default bindings for dash strikes too

[plain river]

Tbh I think the only main reasons to swap dash up to bumpers is if you’re more used to that from other games, or if you’re trying to use pseudotech

[plain river]

do you not like roll your thumb over the two buttons?

lemme see if I have a

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1278468132440375366/IMG_9238.mov?ex=688be1bb&is=688a903b&hm=2d8fb70a1ba012cc784df66250671c1b8baa6532c36fd40f9580a479f08acc61&

I just have my thumb over both buttons so it can hit dash -> strike

Even thou it’s a bow build concept is the same you just tap instead of holding down the strike button

I find the bigger issue for switch sword dash-strikes is maintaining accuracy on consecutive dash-strikes

The first one is always easy and then the rest after that are iffy

I’ll take a different video once home and so I can get a better angle on the fingering w/ sword

[still vortex]

I do that all day. I guess I wanted to be even more consistent with it. I’ll give it a try.

[still vortex]

Yeah, it’s very hard to be accurate with Gilgamesh on dash builds. It’s pretty chaotic.

[plain river]

This might be a bit more adequate then

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1400295623248576543/IMG_2113.mov?ex=688c1e6c&is=688accec&hm=e17e22137470145f05d9f731e269529b4fd96fd1d4e315855700cf07b5ee930e&

[still vortex]

Ooh, I’ll try to strike afterward to get the direction.

[plain river]

You might also want to note that you keep your iframes until you input that strike

so you can dash to dodge something and strike on the tail-end of it still

[drifting trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773932106052665424/1400570615210971247/image.png?ex=688d1e88&is=688bcd08&hm=73166b835b7ab34eace65db5c673a84529185aab16ce7d8e04eab5f854a4d00b& tf

glacial glare isnt one of the requirements?

lame

you cant get arctic blast with glacial glare either?

tf

[drifting trout]

I c a n s e e w h y n o w

[plain river]

I’m interested to know your newfound revelation

[waxen creek]

Is it possible to receive Price of Midas as a random Well of Charon item? @mention me if you know

[tight basin]

ngl no clue but my guess would be no bc i dont think they'd randomly take away your hp lmao

i've never seen price of midas come up as a random item at least

[sly canopy]

im pretty sure fateful twist only includes x encounters/chambers items right?

i dont think you can get kiss of styx or life essence either

correct me if im wrong though

[plain river]

You’re wrong btw

You can get centaur hearts from fateful twist

I had this happen earlier today

[sly canopy]

weird

[waxen creek]

Yeah I had that happen once, so it makes me wonder whether Price of Midas is something that can be granted from Fateful Twist

[formal mesa]

So I've been playing Hades 1 again a lot more recently, and i have a question concerning the Dionysos throw. Does it proc the augmented damage against persons that have an hemolit in them while they are inside the fog ? Same question for Ares, if i take their throw does it mean i forgo this bonus ?

[drifting trout]

It does a crapton of dmg though I'm not sure if that's simply because of crystal clarity + mirage shot being cracked or due to arctic blast being constantly procced.

[sly canopy]

yeah you lose the bonus for having your cast stuck in an enemy if you take those

[formal mesa]

Ok thought so but wasn't sure. Thanks for the confirmation !

[plain river]

Meme beams being a crap ton of damage is a little

a little odd

[white tusk]

How do different sources of the same status curse stack up?

Right now I have two sources of Hangover. One from Dionysus' call which does I think 17 damage per tick, and my Special which does 9

Does each stack have a different count, or does the most recent source of Hangover affect the overall damage per tick?

[frank goblet]

which ever one was the most recently applied is the tick rate used

[white tusk]

Cool

[full valley]

i thought it was if you use your call and all of its 17, and you hit them with a special, the oldest hangover is reset to do 9 instead of the 17

[plain river]

Yeah, no

The game doesn’t track the individual stacks damage

It uses the most recent application for all stacks

[full valley]

😔

[rare merlin]

which is why dio’s call isn’t great if you have another source of hangover

unless you make sure you don’t apply this other source

[hidden lark]

Unlocked Excalibur yesterday

It's slow but the chonky damage numbers makes it feel so good

[hidden lark]

Do I only get Hades' keepsake at the end of a run where I beat him?

[dull viper]

you have to finish the game's main story first

[hidden lark]

Persephone is home

Has been for a few runs now

[dull viper]

keep talking with hades, he'll let you give him nectar again

[hushed walrus]

Question. Do Chaos boosts and regular boon boosts stack additively, or multiplicatively?

e.g. +50% Chaos attack, +30% Aphrodite attack. Is that +80%, or +95%?

[plain river]

Additively

The only multiplicative things in Hades are crit damage, trap damage, damage reduction and movespeed bonuses

The damage calc is
(Base damage)*(1+sum of additive)*(1+sum of crit damage additive) + extra damage

[hushed walrus]

Ohhhh so that Artemis + crit dmg boon is much less lame than I thought it was.

[plain river]

mmm

Clean kill is as lame as you think it is

when I said crit damage was multiplicative, I meant that it wasn’t lumped in with regular additive

Since the default tooltip says +200% damage

but it multiplies the damage after additive

[hushed walrus]

Okay. So with Clean Kill you get 222% bonus crit damage?

Wait. I am confused again

[plain river]

Yeah

[hushed walrus]

Wow never mind that is lame

Almost as lame as stacking Ares dooms

[plain river]

the anti-armour one is actually worth something though if you have a decent crit chance

and so is Heart Rend

I actually take it so infrequently I can’t remember the name

[plain river]

For this damage calc, the only 2 extra damage sources in game are hoarding slash and merciful end

[fervent root]

heya, been a bit

Alright… what god/goddess combos work best for the fists

my mom is playing so… yeah, just need some info regarding that weapon. malphon is very versatile

she got an Aphrodite boon… so is her special the best here or different leagues?

aphro’s aid may be useful but it’s in common rarity, so I need some advice

[plain river]

Aphro special is a really solid option for fists

aphro aid rarity doesn’t really change it’s value too much

[fervent root]

alright nice! also yeah charm is fun to use but not always practical lol

yeah I’ve used aphro’s special a bit before, it’s a nice substantial damage boost in my eyes

[plain river]

flat damage strikes (lightning/hangover/doom) work really well

[fervent root]

yeah true

alright thanks

[plain river]

and tidal dash or divine dash depending on which of those you find

[fervent root]

don’t talk here much, been quite busy in many other servers and just life in general

[plain river]

It happens

[fervent root]

oh yeah… it’s very common

it’s nothing new to be honest, I’m happy where I’m at so far

considering school is right around the corner so yeah…

at least for me xd

[plain river]

1 month personally

Then I have to move back out to uni again

[fervent root]

damn… well good luck with that. heard uni is different for everyone so, yeah.

honestly kinda glad i’m not there yet… but man HS is approaching rapidly. just gotta go at my own pace

I’d rather take my time with things than really ever rush myself, yk?

[plain river]

When you can, yeah

[fervent root]

yeah I can’t always do that

but it definitely helps me recover more smoothly, that’s for sure

[full valley]

this is quite possibly the coolest shit ive ever read here

[plain river]

Have you ever read “Idk man as”

[full valley]

I don't think so

[plain river]

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[full valley]

[swift hill]

The most fun I’ve had in my last few Fists runs was Poseidon on Special (Aspect of Demeter) with all the knockback boons. Turn Hades into pinball!

[full valley]

HOW HAS THIS BEEN AROUND FOR 3 YEARS LMFAO

[plain river]

It’s like

the og Hades copypasta

[fervent root]

honestly yeah the god of the seas himself is very fun with the fist, I gotta agree

[fervent root]

alright… what is the best mirror setups for malphon in general? look, It’s been quite a hot minute since i’ve played as well as my mother so we’re kinda relearning things together. just bear with me here

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1388198079324229834/D1F1DEB7-A6D4-43D3-9E92-F1FA6FAE4B2A.jpg?ex=689234b5&is=6890e335&hm=46f9933efed71c3fd24a50b887509330161f1719471e26f7dc2039e1efce42d0&

Pretty much like this but swap stubborn

and shadow presence has more value than fiery if you don’t know breakpoints

[fervent root]

yep fair, I kinda figured. thanks as always

[frank goblet]

there arent huge differences in mirror for different weapons (curse you shackle, i had just booted up the game to take a screenshot )

[plain river]

I have a server with hellfirebot where I dump photos for later use

[frank goblet]

can also swap infernal for stygian

[plain river]

stygian soul has slight better hermes odds but it’s personal preference tbh

[jolly chasm]

Ye

[frank goblet]

also depends on what cast you want to be aiming for too

[jolly chasm]

Rod is really good so it’s which ever you prefer

[fervent root]

yeah true I agree heavily on that… it’s just been a bit tbh.

tbf anything can be altered quite a lot with the mirror, so it usually just comes to personal preference yk.

[plain river]

The last 3-4 are like

you will notice the difference

[fervent root]

yes, I do like switching from time to time, not only for more utility but also to keep things fresh

[plain river]

the shift in build consistency is wild when you swap them around

[frank goblet]

i think the only 2 mirror perks i ever change are stygian/infernal and ruthless/greater (i forget to change the other ones most of the time and even then i'll do a few runs before remembering to change my mirror around)

[plain river]

Stygian/Infernal, High Confidence/Thick Skin and Stubborn vs DD

cast based aspect / the other two are if I want to play heat instead of speed

[fervent root]

very REAL. these four talents are honestly amazing and I like these a lot, gives more freedom with some more damage potential and altering boon choices at will, and… that’s always a net positive honestly

and also changing rewards for chambers which is even more powerful

[plain river]

7-8 more gold laurels is just so many

[fervent root]

also I wanted to ask something again. do both deathless stand and last stand only replenish 1 use based upon an extra death defiance or just the boon itself? I was just very confused on it’s behavior.

[frank goblet]

would say chamber reward changes are less value compared to boon reward changes as more chances on a given boon screen to get the thing you want vs a chance to get the god you want from a chamber reward

[plain river]

the stand boons give you an extra dd if you’ve used one or more

they can’t replenish a dd if you have full dds

[frank goblet]

both can replenish a dd if you have an empty slot

[fervent root]

ohhh… ok thank you.

[plain river]

Also

if you have an empty dd on stubborn

[frank goblet]

you get stubborn AND that dd!

[plain river]

you can actually get a regule death defiance

[frank goblet]

order wise stubborn is always used first also

[plain river]

if you’ve lost the sd in the room prior to getting the athena boon

[fervent root]

damn that seems… kinda useful actually. I might look into that

[plain river]

Helpful for high heat where you’re running lc4 and can’t heal from anything but dying and centaur hearts

[frank goblet]

so no risk still of dying once in a given chamber and losing that second dd

hmmm the max amount of dd's you can get with stubborn is five yeah? tooth, chaos lego, both athena boons, stubborn or am i missing smthn

[plain river]

isn’t the chaos legendary repeatable

Otherwise yeah

[frank goblet]

the triple ixions

+1 nat chaos for pre req

well i now have a new goal

[tight basin]

i've gotten 2 chaos DD's in 1 run before

and lost

[plain river]

better odds of hitting hyper delivery and 4 ichors on ap2

[plain river]

I mean

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1010801016104558632/unknown.png?ex=6892508e&is=6890ff0e&hm=5850f0391f6df829aa8acbbc93ae3346f71b1d8b0c2b6931584350152ba9788a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1536&height=864

i lost this run lmao

[plain river]

I’ve skipped like half of ely before with 3 ixions

[tight basin]

extremely funny

[tight basin]

classic

[frank goblet]

what aspect were you running?

[plain river]

Wasn’t even a pb 💔

[jolly chasm]

Can I have

[frank goblet]

i only want to play 1 (one) ely chamber ty ty

[tight basin]

wait what was i using when this run happened lmfao hestia??

why was my first hammer not rocket or something

i'm so confused

oh c27 it could've been 2nd hammer rng

that makes sense

[frank goblet]

second hammer flurry 👍

or whatever the increased fire rate/ammo hammer is called

[jolly chasm]

Alright so, here’s a tip

50% halting sucks

[frank goblet]

stack 2 of those

[jolly chasm]

I did that once

It died in the first chamber of aspho lmao

One enemy jumped and it was over

[frank goblet]

[plain river]

Wait it was my rama pb

[tight basin]

you should've taken halting only after 14 ichors, otherwise not worth

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1398168775169277984/AC07BAAC-FA32-48DF-8809-EE5C08A881E2.jpg?ex=68923964&is=6890e7e4&hm=130dbe37e58ab658da69356fe13ccaa58d6968bb1abe0a51f3f97b8beef78380&

[tight basin]

rama moment

[plain river]

Like

Where are these chaos

I never see chaos that actually boosts what I need them to anymore

[jolly chasm]

Here’s another tip

Losing 50/50’s sucks

[tight basin]

free room is free room tho

[tight basin]

are you doing unmodded or something

[plain river]

Tbf this only happened because I was silly and decided to reroll the midbiome well after I bought an ixion and I hit a second one

no he’s actually degen gambling on coinflips

[jolly chasm]

No, some rooms have a 50% chance to be a two waver

[tight basin]

oh

[jolly chasm]

And a 50% to be a 3 waver

[tight basin]

wasn't aware of that lmao

[jolly chasm]

Dumb ass mechanic

[tight basin]

i mean it makes sense

from a normal gameplay standpoint lmao

[jolly chasm]

I think it’s a rounding bug lmao

[plain river]

Take js1 so it’s never a 50:50 anymore

Why are the best chaos options always saddled with a js4 curse

💔

[tight basin]

just take it

it'll be fun

[plain river]

Next time I see one

[jolly chasm]

(And lose like 50s)

[tight basin]

i took 2 70+% roiling curses into aspho once

[plain river]

I’ll think about it

[tight basin]

it was incredibly funny but also incredibly painful

[plain river]

Obol %

[jolly chasm]

I took two roiling curses with js3 in Ely one time

[plain river]

max out your obols gain by taking roiling

[jolly chasm]

I didn’t make out if Ely if you were wondering

[plain river]

I’d end it

do 64 heat runs even take chaos at risk of getting slapped with js4

Wait they probably don’t have the hp for tht

maybe Gy

[tight basin]

i dont think they have the time for that unless you're mysterra lmfao

[frank goblet]

havent taken a single chaos gate in my attempts, hp loss too risky 👍

[plain river]

Do you guys know if greatshields can block breaking wave

I feel like I knock them around a bunch but they just don’t take the damage when I have it

[jolly chasm]

I think they can?

Don’t quote me on that tho

[fervent root]

man… breaching cross is genuinely so fun to play with, especially as a fists main myself

I just like how versatile malphon is as well as the fast paced and snappy nature of the combat

[frank goblet]

breaching good👍 best fist hammer

[rare merlin]

breaching on aspect of demeter is so satisfying

[bright owl]

guys how do i post my mirror build in here

it wont let me

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6561088576429774594

[plain river]

Imbedded image links

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1027412687799468042/IMG_2293.png?ex=68936be1&is=68921a61&hm=6de009a18e39ff92d8a9f370008ae0ec05e77a8d0d8362383a50c849bc471f38&

If you send a photo elsewhere on discord you can grab the image link by right clicking it

or if you use imgur or whatever else people use

[bright owl]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/709295542227959879/1402334584015687781/Screenshot_89.png?ex=6893895a&is=689237da&hm=4497bbb8e071e9dacd0f10fbfe922919360113a64d5069b6dea132efec0bfaef&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1423&height=800

omg thank you!

this is what i have so far for my next TOT run

[plain river]

Pretty solid dark regen is the only really questionable choice here

[dull viper]

also change gods legacy for pride

[plain river]

and God’s Legacy since you can’t exactly duo hunt on thorn

[dull viper]

you won't need duos in a butterfly run

[bright owl]

i see

i dont have enought darkness to max it out...

nvm

fixed it

wait what else did i need to do?

[dull viper]

change dark regen

[bright owl]

wait why?

[dull viper]

cthonic vitality is way better

[bright owl]

i-

how?-

[dull viper]

wait your aim is to never receive damage anyway

[plain river]

Dark Regen really only heals you when you have a fountain coming up anyways

Cthonic regen is consistent over your whole run

Cthonic regen pops off in styx as well

[dull viper]

because with dark foresight you barely get darkness drops and boss drops are right before fountain anyway

[plain river]

Regular darkness drops have such low value anyways

[bright owl]

yes, but sometimes if i do get hit i calculate how many rooms i have and see if im good or not

[plain river]

regardless of plans

Cthonic always heals you a bit

Dark Regen heals a small amount randomly when you find darkness rooms, or a large amount when you have a fountain literally in the next room

one always does it’s thing and the other is uber situational and gives low value even in those situations

[bright owl]

i see

[rare merlin]

cthonic regen my beloved

[fervent root]

i’ll be honest, here’s my thoughts on both talents.

• dark regeneration is really only useful when relying on Darkness rewards… which is very situational and niche most times, either than specific occasions. not to say it isn’t useful but’s it’s limited.

• chthonic vitality will always guaranteed 3 HP per chamber, which in the long term is great for self sustaining in relatively any run. seriously, passive regeneration each chamber is amazing.

[proper furnace]

Chaos discount is always fun too

[fervent root]

true

[plain river]

honestly the value cthonic has in styx alone is rad as well

Just found out smthing interesting

[fervent root]

I agree heavily

styx is my least favorite area honestly due to the poison enemies

[plain river]

high voltage pom scaling is max(24^(poms used-1),6) % radius to lightning bolts

mmm

I should take a gander at the other boons

[fervent root]

btw, what are some good olympian boon combinations for aegis

I mean Athena is a no brainer but still

[plain river]

aspect of choice?

[fervent root]

default zag

[plain river]

Any +% strike but ideally aphro

tidal dash

charged shot hammer

[fervent root]

still like for my mother btw lol

I have most of the aspects, she’s JUST getting back into this game lol xd

it’s been roughly two years since so… yeah been a bit

that’s just life though, you gotta be flexible with that.

[plain river]

Zag mostly gets by with just dash-striking and bullrushing

specialing is awkward on shield because it removes your ability to strike

So special would be flat-damage filler for the most part or duo prerequisites

[fervent root]

ofc I told her to pick athena’s divine dash after she picked the divine strike… silly me

[plain river]

that works

loke

divine dash is good defense

Athena is a good strike because anything +% works

With Athena strike I’d hope to find artemis later for deadly reversal

Chaos strike/dash-strike damage

[fervent root]

ahh ok

so is Poseidon’s tidal dash and Athena’s divine dash both great options early on?

just for reference, since she has both the conch shell and owl pendant.

I’d assume so

[plain river]

yeah

Tidal dash is damage

Divine dash is defense

Great options throughout the entire run

[fervent root]

both work well for aegis

[frank goblet]

tidal dash is great, and divine dash is also great
tidal dash (or splash dash) has the highest damage in the game, for newer players i could see it not being great as the knock away effect can certainly feel weird on some aspects, ddash has great defensive capabilities and safety

[fervent root]

and literally any weapon

[plain river]

both work well on like everything

[frank goblet]

for shield specifically, i would probably lean more so to ddash over tidal dash just bc of bullrushes

[plain river]

Also is this my joker moment where I learn that pom scaling is almost univerally +first pom value * 0.7^(pom # -1) until 7th pom then after 7th pom it’s just a flat number

[fervent root]

alright thanks that helps a bit

[fervent root]

yeah I’d go with the same as well… since the knocback kinda pushes back the enemy, which isn’t always useful nor vital

[plain river]

Every boon that doesn’t have linear scaling really early (cough cough hangover) seems to follow this trend

[frank goblet]

zeus boons 🗣️

[fervent root]

frrr

[plain river]

I’ve been looking at zeus boons

they do it too

[frank goblet]

attack falls flat at like level 4 yeah?

[plain river]

Yeah bc subsequent 0.7^ would take it under an integer

some boons do that early to avoid that

like shoals as well

or thunder flourish just gets so small by pom 5 and they still want you to get real value out of it so it cuts off there

[frank goblet]

on the topic of bad poseidon boons for shield, the attack is awful and special too ig

[plain river]

It seems to be level 7 for most boons and then edge cases where the numbers get too small too early get linear scaling earlier

[frank goblet]

i love losing all grouping capabilities

[plain river]

Shield strike already has knockback, pos strike just makes it unruly and hard to use

[fervent root]

mb I thought that strike was good xd

[plain river]

Pos special is just there to open sea storm for dash

[fervent root]

I didn’t think about that

[plain river]

Wait this is true for dem call too

it literally does this for level 2 and that’s it

it goes +4 -> +2.8 -> flat +2 after that cuz it’s deemed too small

It’s really funny that that doesn’t hit linear earlier

I think blades has it to a point as well but it’s rounded at each level

interesting stuff

I haven’t seen something break the 0.7^(poms-1) yet though

aside from boons so small that they immediately hit linear scaling

[fervent root]

well I do appreciate the right direction as far as good boons, thanks

[plain river]

Oh yeah sorry for yapping in the middle

[fervent root]

nah it’s all good

now would dio be of any use for shield? I know artemis is almost always good due to crits

[frank goblet]

dio can be used on smthn like zeus shield, however zeus^2 and both just outclass it

[fervent root]

I mean I have bias for artemis just purely due to me getting my first successful escape attempt w/ her call

[frank goblet]

and dio beo cast is also a thing

actually you could just use dio cast on all the shields (and most other weapons too!) its pretty strong

[fervent root]

that’s pretty cool, but this is for zag shield for now

[frank goblet]

probably just stick with artemis then 😌

[fervent root]

yeaah, fair honestly lol, I def could see why

merciful end is insane honestly

[fervent root]

true

[frank goblet]

or aphrodite and athena both of those also work well

deflect is great and aphrodite giving a damage reduction is also great

[fervent root]

actually so true I really like deflect a lot

[plain river]

Dio call is always strong dps

dps

[fervent root]

especially against most elysium and asphodel foes

[plain river]

And his supporting boons aren’t bad

you just don’t particularly want any of his cores

[fervent root]

fair

[plain river]

any other hangover cores can ruin your call damage

[fervent root]

he’s a good support god imo

[plain river]

trippy shot loses your boiling blood

his secondaries are fun

Premium Vintage is nice because it lets me ignore more hearts when I’m speedrunning without actually endangering my run

plus a free pom

[frank goblet]

not giving into the nalei (not cope but idk how to put it) regarding dio cast smh

[fervent root]

alright so we got three hammer options but no charged shot unfortunately

the following hammers are

• dashing flight
• sudden rush
• charged flight

which one is the most effective and optimal?

[plain river]

Do you have anything on special

[fervent root]

I don’t, no

[plain river]

Sudden Rush is usually the play but Charged Flight is funny meme

I think

Dashing flight could be niche usage with something solid on special since it makes your special faster

[fervent root]

yeah since sudden rush is like faster windup, that’s always good

[plain river]

It cuts the charge time in 2

which is nice

[frank goblet]

my immediate reaction is to take the sudden rush, but you could take charged flight for the idea of getting smthn like arti special (or any of the other gods mentioned above's special)

[fervent root]

yeah same tbh

[plain river]

Charged Flight beo is my beloved but idk what zag shields base damage is on special

probably 25

[frank goblet]

ik zeus is more idk base shield

[plain river]

it’s 15

base shield has a 15 base damage special

[fervent root]

what about dashing flight? is that somewhat useful

[plain river]

I see why charged flight was initially +400%

[plain river]

It’s situational

at best

[frank goblet]

dashing flight is fine? but id personally put more usability to charged flight

[plain river]

If you have something on special and an enemy is out of reach it lets your special hit them sooner

but most of the time you aren’t exactly killing with a shield special

Unless you have a solid flat damage boon on it

Curse of Pain would make me want it otherwise

maybe thunder flourish

I think I’d just take sudden rush here unless I had a solid special

[plain river]

See I thought so too but it literally brings your special up from 15 -> 45 base damage like

that’s unusable

on beo it makes sense because the base special is 45 so it brings it up to 135

[fervent root]

well… I mean I didn’t pick it: she did [being my mother]

it’s alright, i’ll just let her experiment, it has been such a while since she’s played, being 2 years

[plain river]

Experimentation is fun

[fervent root]

having freedom to choose is nice though

I like experimenting with things tbh

[plain river]

informed decision good but also like find out stuff yourself

[fervent root]

yeah that’s very true, I like using it with beo

[plain river]

I might be giga-yammering away here but I recently started feeling like a lot of speedrunners ik kind of dismiss high voltage as anything other than a splitting bolt openner when the aoe it adds is

a rather noticeable amount

[fervent root]

wow that’s sorta good? ehh that’s not too great honestly :p

15 on a shield is crazy though

[plain river]

it doesn’t make me want to hit the special button any more than normal tbh

15 for the base shield throw is so low like

[fervent root]

same like wow that’s pretty mid

[plain river]

I assumed it was 25

bc like it has to be at least usable

[fervent root]

but 15 is genuinely weak as special, I was surprised by that

hell even fists deal more than that xd

[plain river]

Even base spear special is more than that like

[fervent root]

damn that’s crazy

[plain river]

I get that the shield special has that functionality of auto-targetting onto a second target but

it just feels wrong for it to be so low

[fervent root]

also kinda unfortunate like

it needs to be at least 25 or 30… like idk xd

see this is where shattered shackle has some use for the weapon imo

[frank goblet]

while it is noticeable, the other opener being double strike (at least for the thunder related ones) feels just sm better as its just an active dps increase, i do think high voltage does have some really niche use cases, one of which being very reliable to do dc2 removal on all 4 of the witches for witches circle bc you just stand on the corner island (and for zeus you just throw your special) and if your positioning isnt correct the lower witch is too long to be hit with the aoe unless you have high voltage (sorry for the very unrelated thing just wanted to pop in and say my piece)

[frank goblet]

shackle strong 👍

[fervent root]

yes very, especially early on

I maxed that one as soon as I got it essentially

[plain river]

❤️

[frank goblet]

gains a lot of usage in high heat as well bc its such a good dps increase

[fervent root]

honestly yeah… this is valid

[plain river]

Fs

like

Double strike is always just raw dps

[fervent root]

15 on a special… let ALONE a shield is just not right man and it doesn’t feel right either

[plain river]

especially since it’s bugged for higher numbers on so many lightning bolt sources

[frank goblet]

zeus call 🗣️

[plain river]

When I talk about the aoe increase I wasn’t really thinking of specific scenarios it’s just like those moments where enemies are grouped together and like

It turns zeus call from a kind of single target damage source into a rather powerful aoe source

even just common pomless high voltage makes your lightning bolts larger than tdash iirc

[fervent root]

like for reference [comparing to another weapon], the TWIN FISTS deal 15 dmg per hit with pummel. you’re telling me throwing a shield is the same amount as the primary attack of the fists? really dude…

[plain river]

well if you want to be Captain America I guess your only options are Zeus and Bugowulf now

[frank goblet]

bugowulf 😭

[fervent root]

fr like the aspects are the shining part of the shield imo

[proper furnace]

BeOwOlf

[fervent root]

like damn I feel like zagspects are pretty weak except the fists in my eyes

[plain river]

What

[proper furnace]

The hilarious charged shot:

[plain river]

Rail/bow and shield

[fervent root]

true

[plain river]

are all good zagspects

[frank goblet]

wdym zagspear is right there!

[plain river]

crit chance, the ammo lets you spreadfire, and just more damage

[fervent root]

I just wish the special dealt more honestly

although this IS coming from a fists main xd

[frank goblet]

sadly bow special just kinda sucks (on non rama)

[fervent root]

yeah true I agree

[plain river]

What if I took flurry achilles and Explosive+ Charged Skewer Hades and I put them in one aspect with like no bonus damage

lower hammer consistency and no additive

[proper furnace]

Wdym, you have +25%

[plain river]

15%

[fervent root]

ok yeah true, just take what I say with a grain of salt, i’m kinda still doing heat runs

[plain river]

[frank goblet]

its 25%????

[proper furnace]

Mate is 25%

15% is zagbow

[plain river]

WHAT

dang

I’ve been misremembering

😔

[proper furnace]

Can't believe you don't remember the number of an aspect no one plays

😔

[plain river]

No I was so sure

I was ready to put my life on the line

for it to be 15%

[frank goblet]

hey! i played it for like 5 hours 2 weeks ago

[plain river]

I played it like

a little while ago

I sub10ed with it at somepoint

[frank goblet]

(and by played i mean i reset for 4 hours before swapping to modded)

[fervent root]

yeah my mom isn’t liking the shield, that’s for sure xd

the issue is: she very much likes the playstyle of the fists

[plain river]

Must’ve been a fever dream I do not remember that

[fervent root]

but that’s really not an issue, it’s just a personal preference

[proper furnace]

[plain river]

fists fast /rail fast /flurry bow fast / flurry spear fast

[proper furnace]

Tiny bouldy cuz I can't judge that

[frank goblet]

(apparently, never liked it even casually) very casual friendly weapon

[proper furnace]

Fists do be comfy

Hold attack mash dash

Win somehow

[fervent root]

yeah exactly

[plain river]

how it feels for everybody to just tell me to use beo for speedrunning when this is the most agregious weapon I’ve ever used

[proper furnace]

Beo is weird (endearing)

I love my last minute shield full of bugs

[fervent root]

I just really like the fast nature of the fists, they’re very fun for me

and so is the shield but it def has it’s flaws [although every weapon sorta does tbh]

[frank goblet]

i hated rama when i played casually and then played it for 2 days and got a low 7 💀

[fervent root]

demeter aspect by beloved

[plain river]

See I played Rama for like 2 days trying to sub9 on bow and the very first run that I switched back to zagbow I sub8’ed for the first time

[proper furnace]

Rail should get a demeter aspect

Imagine cluster rockets x6

[fervent root]

honestly so fair, rama is pretty underestimated at first imo

the special is really nice

[plain river]

Mag dump -> 6x special fr fr

[fervent root]

it’s just the windup that’s a little annoying, but hammers do exist for a reason

[proper furnace]

Wdym x6 400 base dmg volleys is not balanced

That's just a few beo casts

[plain river]

Hammer exist to give you 3 run ruining options at c35 on sword

[frank goblet]

more so it was me not understanding bow casually like at all, was a zeus shield fangirl day 1

[proper furnace]

Adding demeter's gimmick to other aspects sounds fun

Concentrated volley chiron x6

[plain river]

true give zeus shield dem

[proper furnace]

Hazard bomb

[plain river]

Arthur lmao

[fervent root]

oh true lmao xd

[proper furnace]

Charged skewer x6 sounds nasty too

[plain river]

Guan-Yu

[fervent root]

ugh I don’t like how slow Arthur is dude xd

[plain river]

arthur is agregious

[fervent root]

it’s just so… ugh man

[plain river]

only playable with double edge fr fr

[fervent root]

frfr

[frank goblet]

*one run ruining option that is forced due to ap2

[proper furnace]

Play fusion aspects mod

Bull rush > special and you throw 6 zeus shields

[frank goblet]

can each one be effected by ER?

please

i need this

[plain river]

that’s speedrun.com leaderboard legal right

[proper furnace]

I don't remember

[fervent root]

so real dude… GOODNESS it’s genuinely so weird to play icl

[plain river]

If they kept the base chaos functionality no

[proper furnace]

Sword is also really funny

The arthur aura is glued to you

[plain river]

Spreadfire has to go crazy on rail

[proper furnace]

Rail is weird

[fervent root]

also kinda broken with the right upgrades

[proper furnace]

You use the laser which also shoots seeking fire bullets

[plain river]

See I imagine bow has to pop off right

[plain river]

uhh

[proper furnace]

And you can walk with it

[plain river]

No

That’s a sin

[proper furnace]

Is so goofy

[plain river]

I’ve seen those mods

“Walkable bow”

Like

why

Ew

[proper furnace]

Bow uses stuff from beam bow too

[plain river]

wait what

[proper furnace]

Wait do you know beam bow

[plain river]

not at all

[fervent root]

cluster bomb, rocket bomb, and hazard bomb are some of my favourites for rail

[proper furnace]

https://youtu.be/dpdjzSsBxVs?t=35470

[fervent root]

funny how they’re all “bomb” related

[proper furnace]

Cut aspect

Have fun watching

[plain river]

most of the best rail hammers are

[fervent root]

true

[plain river]

rocket/cluster/triple

ez universal options

hazard is more copium

but still good

Targetting system is free damage

[fervent root]

super valid

[proper furnace]

Iirc fused bow has rama dmg but normal charge speed
Attack tags enemies, special seeks the tag which then applies shared suffering

[plain river]

that’s so silly

[fervent root]

oooh

[proper furnace]

But if you use special without tagging it shoots beam bow projectiles around you

[plain river]

fused aspects needs their own leaderboards

[fervent root]

I agree

[proper furnace]

Fusion fist let you use the dem charge to improve maim too

More dmg/no dmg taken debuff

[plain river]

Does it have Hera stuff or is beam bow replacing that

[proper furnace]

You still keep hera yeah

Same for shield

[plain river]

See that just makes it insane

[proper furnace]

Fused spear had a comically large spin

[plain river]

I want to see how fast a fused aspects bow can go

[proper furnace]

I think it let you gain max life too? But didn't work on switch iirc

[plain river]

I feel like sword would be pretty disappointing aside from aura sticking with you

unless they added extra stuff

[proper furnace]

You could charge the main sweeps iirc?

[plain river]

Hmm

[proper furnace]

But yeah most fun is def fused shield

X6 zeus shield kinda strong y'know

You also went arty special route iirc

Cuz internal cooldown on zeus^2

[plain river]

I’ve been trying both zeus and arte routes to sub10 on zeus

I can’t get a 2sack for the life of me with zeus

[proper furnace]

My only sub 10 fists is with fused fists iirc lmao

[plain river]

I’ve sub10ed with all the fists atp

perks of trying to sub10 with all aspects

I have what 15/24 down

Ngl

I just thought about

“What if I just played Hestia like bad zagrail”

[frank goblet]

think of what alex would say (and then disgregard that and do it anyways )

[plain river]

admittedly silly idea but I have sub10ed with one and not the other

Actually

mmm

help me out here I want to figure out what to play next