h1-builds-and-combat

[ionic lichen]

im at styx rn so i dont think it matters

[plain river]

Since the game prioritises giving your core options if you have any open (aka it will always take up one of the 3 options with a core boon when you have any of the cores open)

[ionic lichen]

i got everything i need

[vale valley]

Alright, I'm putting Hades 2 on the backburner until the full release of the game and coming back to actually beat [REDACTED] for once. What sort of builds should I be looking at for the shield? And which Gods should I (generally) prioritize in a run if I see them?

[proper furnace]

Do you have weapon aspects yet

If yes can you unlock zeus shield

[vale valley]

I'll need to get ahold of Titanblood, but I should be able to unlock Zeus shield on the off chance I haven't already

[proper furnace]

If you can start with zeus keepsake, take the special then look for static discharge

Pom the latter

[vale valley]

Heard

[proper furnace]

From there anything else its kinda a bonus

His call is good
Can do aphro attack for the duo

Arty too

Explosive return best hammer

[grave osprey]

Question about Achilles spear? Does the damage boost apply to the first 4 attacks in general, or only the first 4 attacks to actually hit an enemy?

And also, if I get a hammer like Serrated Point, does it count as 3 attacks towards that 4-attack limit?

[proper furnace]

1. in general
2. as one attack

[livid hare]

how do i nemisis

level 2

just artemis hunter dash?

[dull viper]

% boost on your attack. aphro if you want full offense, athena if you want both offense and defense

[livid hare]

ok 👍

what about special?

[dull viper]

if you took aphro attack, then arty special to open up heartrend

if athena attack, then ares special to open up merciful end

[livid hare]

aight

thanks

[dull viper]

👍

[livid hare]

also is god's legacy or pride better?

[dull viper]

the one that gives more epic boons

[livid hare]

ok

glad i chose that now

[plain river]

Pride

[plain river]

Not ares special for athena strike

It’d still be artemis special

Merciful End isn’t too amazing when it’s on sword special

It can be good though

[livid stone]

What's the best bow aspect, build, and strategy for heat climbing?

[plain river]

For high heat it’s rama but you should be good with anything other than chiron up to 50 heat

[livid stone]

I'm just climbing to 20 to get all the bounties

Then I might do 32 if I feel masochistic enough

But bow is my least favorite weapon

[plain river]

Is there any particular reason or

[livid stone]

It's the one I suck with the most, ergo I like it the least

[plain river]

The vein diagram of people who dislike bow and the people who don’t dash-strike on bow is almost a single circle

[livid stone]

I just don't get how to use it, I know I'm supposed to dash strike but I struggle with positioning and aiming the dash strike at the enemy, especially multiple times in a row when I need to hit them several times to kill

[plain river]

Are you on kbm then

[livid stone]

No

Switch

[plain river]

Oh huh

I’ve never really had that issue on controller

And I exclusively play controller

[livid stone]

Idk, my brain just struggles to figure it out, I'm fine with all the other weapons, I just don't get bow for some reason

[plain river]

It might just take some practice to get used to

[livid stone]

Also, Artemis is the last olympean I need to finish making a bond with and I have several more bow hammers to get for the prophecy reward so I just wanna use a build that'll kill two birds with one stone

[plain river]

I mean there are pretty much like 6 good bow hammers and the rest you’ll just never touch so you might have to grab completely suboptimal picks if you’re missing certain hammers

[livid stone]

What are good boons to pair with Arty?

[livid stone]

That's the plan for the early heat runs

[plain river]

If you want to use arty you’re probably best of with aphro strike/ artemis special

[livid stone]

And duos?

[plain river]

heart rend from aphro and arte

[livid stone]

And could a cast build work for any bows?

[plain river]

Hera is the castpect for bow

That one uses crush shot and then whoever else you want really (snow burst from dem is really common but you can go artemis strike and tidal dash for mirage shot)

[livid stone]

Hmm

What's the play for zag bow?

[plain river]

For zag bow it’s aphro/artemis on strike and special

[livid stone]

Or is zag bow terrible and I shouldn't use it?

[plain river]

Zag bow isn’t bad

[livid stone]

Ah

I'll go zag bow then, try that out

I only have zag and hera maxed out

I still need to unlock hidden aspect for fist as well, but asterius won't give me the dialogue, it's very irritating

[plain river]

You can interchange them and it really just changes how much additive you need but a bunch of the good bow hammers offer a ton of additive

[livid stone]

What hammers should I look out for?

[plain river]

For hammers you’re looking at Twin >= Triple shot >> Flurry Shot >= Point Blank Shot = Perfect Shot

[proper furnace]

Post the clip

[plain river]

😁

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=682c7a62&is=682b28e2&hm=95c6b6c983e9d1d72fd37ba24428a5af6d680d53814168e42ea9034df62ef285&

[livid stone]

What is that?

Omg, she melted

[proper furnace]

Zag bow gaming

[plain river]

Zag bow gaming

I usually use this clip for “hey this is how dashstriking makes bow infinitely better”

[grave osprey]

I don't like the bow in general

It feels kinda clunky for me, I have no idea how to use it

[livid stone]

I meant like what boon combo caused that damage? Or is it really just base dash striking?

[proper furnace]

Aphro attack lvl 4 (is like +140%?)
Hydromight of unknown rarity (attack/Special buff for the first 10s)

And idk what hammer, either a trash one or perfect shot (+150% dmg on Powershots and makes the window for them easier)

Then a few lucky crits (15% chance)

[livid stone]

Is hydromight actually good?

I always skip over it

[plain river]

It’s good on high base damage weapons like bow

[plain river]

“How to use it” = see above video^

[livid stone]

Huh

[grave osprey]

I don't know what to take from that video

[plain river]

Dash strike

It’s safer, more consistent and will let you output more damage thanks to chaos lunge boons

[livid stone]

alright yeah, dashstrike definitely the play, but i still struggle with aiming and positioning myself with the dash so i don't get hit

[forest hearth]

yall im looking for the full on Super Soaker aspect of Lucifer build, what mirrior upgrades do i want for it, and the full list of boons

tryna try weapons that arent talos, gilgamesh, or shield of zeus

[forest hearth]

does Chiron suck???!

[tight basin]

poseidon attack, zeus anywhere except special to open the duo Sea Storm, and then get whatever else you want lol. if you see the triple bomb hammer, that's your #1 priority. otherwise, eternal beam or triple beam are fine (esp since they make triple bomb more likely on the next hammer)

the mirror should be your standard meta mirror as seen in this pic https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1294920103380389888/image.png?ex=682cd393&is=682b8213&hm=dd95e9961d8a1b15e26ce22bc7d45c40c436b55eed7a658971ec42fbf6cf027e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1536&height=864

just use thick skin over high confidence

[tight basin]

considered one of the worst aspects in the game bc it's only decent with single target damage. the lack of aoe makes it kinda bad, especially with higher heats

it's like fine for most people, very beginner friendly, esp since it makes it easy to combo boons together

but the low aoe and slow special animation kinda just makes it hard to actually use at a high level

[forest hearth]

ah got it

[forest hearth]

so these are the best option, the only one im every really gonna change is dash

cause Gilgamesh is better with the yellow dash

[tight basin]

thick skin > high confidence unless you're speedrunning

[forest hearth]

and Gilgamesh is my main aspect

[tight basin]

that's like the only time you'd use ruthless reflex yes

[forest hearth]

i will never use High Confidence

[tight basin]

unless you're a 1 dash gamer with shield (or heavy knuckle talos but that's a bit cursed lmao)

[tight basin]

yeah the screenshot has high confidence lmao

[forest hearth]

i get hermes plus 3 dashes Gilgamesh and just get as much Ares and Athena as possible

[tight basin]

just wanted to make sure you knew that before you copied everything

[forest hearth]

got it

[tight basin]

more dashes on gilga are fine, but you should consider getting hyper sprint -> rush delivery

[forest hearth]

get some best girl (artemis) and its so fun

[tight basin]

you already have extra dashes, more global damage couldn't hurt

[forest hearth]

Im still at low heat on twin fists

[tight basin]

especially with merciful end (ME)

[forest hearth]

i mainly like going Attack speed and dashes

[tight basin]

yeah you should consider getting those 2 boons from hermes

[forest hearth]

cause in smaller rooms i just dodge everything and melt everything

[tight basin]

rush delivery gives you a global damage boost of 50/75/100% based on your movement speed, and hyper sprint guarantees you have 100% movement speed

[forest hearth]

very fun me like hermes

[forest hearth]

DAMN

[tight basin]

the hyper delivery combo is part of what makes some speedruns have insane damage

well, most speedruns lmao

[forest hearth]

Also i havent leveled up the Guan yu spear at all. But is it even good?!! It looks very bad

[tight basin]

oh it's quite good

[forest hearth]

i already dont like not having thick skin. But reducing my health more😭

[tight basin]

at max level it (only) reduces your max hp by 50%

but it is an aspect that's used for hitless runs bc it has a built in explosive launcher hammer (although with a bit of delay)

so what you can do is get the charged skewer hammer and play it like a weird bow/hestia hybrid and play it super safe

OR you can be incredibly based and get quick spin and learn to animation cancel out of the charged spin lmao

quick spin (+ massive spin) on guan yu with athena attack cleared 64 heat modded

[forest hearth]

also how good is the Beowulf shield

i saw Beowulf and got it instantly

[tight basin]

best aspect in the game for most purposes

[forest hearth]

didnt even read it😭

[tight basin]

it "falls off" after like 55 heat or so

[forest hearth]

LETS GO THE GOAT BEOWULF NEVER FAILS

[tight basin]

but it has a hard cap at 60 heat and is beaten out by the more meta heat aspect zeus shield

shield that goes boom kinda good

also holds the speedrun records for unmodded and modded

5:04 unmodded, 4:30 modded

[forest hearth]

also am i incorrect or does Hermes and Best girl fit somewhere on every build

[tight basin]

who's best girl

[forest hearth]

Artemis

[tight basin]

but hermes is like "guaranteed" every run

and his good boons tend to be universal anyways lmao

artemis is like above average, she's good at enabling

pressure points -> hunter's mark is always good

[forest hearth]

i just found out Crits are 3x in this game

so i need to work on some crit builds

[tight basin]

if your attack/special already has a high base attack or you got lucky with chaos buffs, putting artemis on that slot works well

[forest hearth]

also knowing my aim artemis cast my beloved for Gilgamesh builds

[tight basin]

she also has pretty good duos, like mirage shot for beowulf, hunting blades, lightning rod

heart rend is pretty good on nemesis, deadly reversal as well

[tight basin]

lmfao real

[forest hearth]

Doesnt Mirage shot deal 100% instead of the 30 its supossed too Beowulf

[tight basin]

yeah

thats why beowulf is really good

well at least for speedrunning

you can't guarantee mirage shot in high heat runs

the base kit of beowulf, ignoring all bugs, is just really strong

[forest hearth]

yeah so far my best time i think is 20:55 with Gilgamesh

this was also fully clearing final area tho

got sack like 2nd time

[tight basin]

if you love gilga you're welcome to keep speedrunning it, but i will mention that it is one of the not-great aspects in general lmao

cherrydad loves gilgamesh and got a sub6 with it so it's def possible, it's just that the other aspects will be easier to lower times with lmao

but he's the only one to have done that afaik and only twice? maybe three or something

[forest hearth]

Yeah for pure fun aspects that ive used so far is Talos Gilgamesh Zeus

Ive used a bit of Lucifer

[tight basin]

damn you picked all the bad speed aspects lmfao

luci's good tho

[forest hearth]

but tryna get the right boons is so hard

[forest hearth]

i said pure fun

[tight basin]

yeah lmao

fun's fun

i just thought it was kinda funny

[tight basin]

are you aiming for ME every time?

bc ME is notoriously difficult to get running

[forest hearth]

for luci im tryna get the super soaker

i legit never get posiden when i need it

[tight basin]

super soaker is just the normal luci build but with extra steps lmao

[tight basin]

i mean you just start with his keepsake

[forest hearth]

I do💀 i get like 2 posiden boons most games getting just basic and rupture

[tight basin]

oh lmao it do be like that

[forest hearth]

rupture is fun

[tight basin]

i'm assuming you take zeus in asphodel and then afterwards just pray?

[forest hearth]

Also peircing infinife ammo is fun

[forest hearth]

correct

[tight basin]

yeah nothing else you can do about that then lmao

rng gonna rng

[forest hearth]

Then rng says i cant have fun

Honestly fair tho

[tight basin]

you could use the normal luci build that does about just as much damage but earlier in the run

[forest hearth]

the amount of times ive gotten ME is tartarus is stupid (Im at heat 6 for fists)

[forest hearth]

which is?

[tight basin]

like technically speaking, super soaker does more damage than the standard luci build, but the amount of time it takes to get super soaker to pass the damage just takes too long and rng/pom dependent

[tight basin]

lightning strike and pomming static discharge lmao

triple bomb

emphasis on triple bomb

[forest hearth]

pomming?

[forest hearth]

go triple beam or infinite ammo for second hammer

[tight basin]

artemis special with triple bomb is ideal, but aphrodite special or any rare/epic from demeter or athena works well

[tight basin]

the pomegrantes you get in runs

pom

pomming

[forest hearth]

ohhhh

[tight basin]

you also want tidal dash and to pom that, but i will admit it is a bit difficult to use and learn on luci lmao

jolted and tidal dash poms should be about equal ideally

[forest hearth]

the hardest part of luci… AIMING😭😭😭😭

i cant aim if my life depended on it

[tight basin]

you want to focus on special hammers so get those first
otherwise, triple beam bc the ramping damage on luci is actually pretty decent, esp on bosses

[tight basin]

life hack, turn off aim at cursor whenever you use rail

you can still aim the specials with your mouse

[forest hearth]

im on console

[tight basin]

oh

welp

yeah afaik you gotta like snap your joystick in the direction you want to aim it

typically you'd dash into them while attacking on rail so you'd attack the way you want

but if you dont want to do that, you have to snap it the way you want it to

[tight basin]

this is partly why tidal dash works well on rails

[forest hearth]

so tomorrow ima work on more Luci , upgrade beowulf and try that out

[tight basin]

(and like everything really, but rails really like tidal dash)

[forest hearth]

dash sea storm my beloved… aka im boutta die spam dash and pray

[tight basin]

well you dont aim for sea storm if you get tidal dash

esp since tidal dash doesn't open sea storm

they removed it bc it was too easy to get due to build paths lmao

[forest hearth]

oh damn

didnt know

[tight basin]

https://imgur.com/dTLTivD

beo build paths if you want

other casts don't do as well except dio cast, but that's super rng dependent to work well

dio cast is also bugged on beowulf so that poms give double the value than stated, which is kinda funny

[forest hearth]

what special and dash for speed? Or doesnt matter?

or do you just not use special

[tight basin]

but to make dio cast effective, you need to take stygian soul and get more casts from chaos (artemis legendary is way too impractical)

[tight basin]

not every aspect/weapon needs to use every part of the kit

dash doesn't matter on beo

typically just not tidal dash since it can ruin line ups

i'd also stay away from like any dash on beo since it could remove fiery presence from proccing

[forest hearth]

ah

[tight basin]

but like it's not the end of the world since well

mirage shot go boom

it's more like in early game it might mess things up, but filling core slots is still relatively important

divine dash is like the ideal pick because it doesn't open any duos

[forest hearth]

I should head to bed

[tight basin]

lmao might be a good idea

gn

[forest hearth]

then again…

[forest hearth]

yeah i got an exam in 8 hours

[tight basin]

oh yeah def go to sleep

[forest hearth]

but then again i could watch 8 hours of hades builds instead

[tight basin]

in all honesty, i haven't really found a good place other than this discord and the speedrunning discord for build info lmao

unless you watch speedrunner or high heat vids

[forest hearth]

anyways night

[tight basin]

haelian has good content and has a lot of vids on his channel with wacky builds, but it's more of a testament to his skill level rather than the builds actually being good lmao

they're like passable damage and work fine, but there's def better builds

gn lmao

[plain river]

Yes.

Bananas said everything I needed to

[plain river]

There is some talk of someone making a more beginner friendly or outreaching knowledgeable Hades youtube channel in the speedrunning discord serve

They haven’t got any videos posted yet thou

[tight basin]

oh right i forgot about that

[plain river]

If they ever drop videos I’ll keep it posted here cuz it would be nice to have a channel

[tight basin]

yeah def

[forest hearth]

yall what are all the Main boons for the Zeus attack Aspect of lucifer build? Gonna try that out cause for the love of god i cant get supersoaker working with my RNG

i think its aphrodite special triple bomb infinite ammo hammers and get the zeus aphrodite duo boon right???

or do you want concentrated or flash fire over ammo

[proper furnace]

Triple bomb over anything else is right

The attack hammer doesn't really matter

[forest hearth]

triple bomb is just funni ive learned

insane burst damage for early on

[proper furnace]

At most you can take one that blocks others if triple bomb doesn't show up so you have better odds for it on 2nd hammer

[forest hearth]

havent made is past the 2nd area with luci yet tho

[proper furnace]

Zeus attack into static discharge from zeus, then focus poms on it

Arty/aphro special
Tidal dash

Poms on discharge and dash

[forest hearth]

got it

thank you

[proper furnace]

Dash on top of being just high dmg it allows you to blow up the bombs easier

[forest hearth]

Ima try out this in a second

[proper furnace]

Just remember that your dashes have no iframes if you are holding the attack

[forest hearth]

… SO THATS WHY IVE BEEN TAKING SO MUCH DAMAGE

thank you so much for this knowledge😭

[proper furnace]

(this applies to all weapons in general too, if you attack during your dash your iframes instantly disappear)

[forest hearth]

bruh😭 the game just force gave me posidens legendary the second i started the run

[proper furnace]

Oh you got the fishing rod recently

Is a one time forced event

[forest hearth]

ive had it for forever

[proper furnace]

Happens

Dialogue/Events can get a bit desynced

[forest hearth]

Im no longer complaing

i got triple bomb and epic zeus attack back to back

got epic static discharge before meg lets go

[forest hearth]

Yeah i much perfer this build over the super soaker

[proper furnace]

Super soaker is called a meme for a reason

[forest hearth]

Didnt get the zeus aphro duo or Zeus legendary sadly

[forest hearth]

its really good, if you have the rng of the gods

[proper furnace]

Requires way more luck for the same build really

And prob worse cuz no AoE from lightning strike spreading jolted

[forest hearth]

yeah i got the upgrade thing for zeus attack

where it hits more enemies

REALLY NICE

[forest hearth]

btw how is that chaos thing around the leaderboard and below your boons

[livid hare]

you need to pay contractor what was it… 50k darkness?

[dull viper]

25k

[forest hearth]

ah guessing i have to full bond Chaos to get it?

if so im really close to that

(Me like hot primordial man)

[dull viper]

nope, have to finish the game and (i think?) the epilogue too

[forest hearth]

damn

[forest hearth]

Do i just need hearts from nectar on 6 gods or maxed out

ive heard both

Cause if its maxed out… yeah im ditching Aphrodite for a bit

[dull viper]

maxed out, but the last few hearts also need a "favor"

[forest hearth]

needy ahh gods bruh

[dull viper]

and for demeter you just have to go as far as you can because her favor is doing the epilogue

[forest hearth]

time to grind nectar and darkness then

yippie

might as well finish romancing Thanatos while im at it

[livid hare]

yea that

[livid hare]

skull_haram

[forest hearth]

I blame supergiant, even as a straight man i would do unspeakable things to thanatos

[livid hare]

😭

[forest hearth]

blame either greece or supergaint take your pick

[forest hearth]

bored so trying out stuff, rush kick feels really nice of gilgamesh

[fiery kraken]

What are the fun Demeter fists builds? I keep doing zues/Athena+ Artemis or Aphrodite for the special but end up focusing on the Athena casts every time and barely using the fists. I'm farming TB around 16 heat right now

[dull viper]

ares on attack, athena on special and dash, get merciful end

[fiery kraken]

Heh I did that on zues shield last night. Spamming attack while the shield procced ME... Dad melted

[dull viper]

yeah merciful end is great

[analog mauve]

Wow interesting

My lame ass did x20 merciful end for the bounties

[fiery kraken]

Merciful end is fine but it's like Athena casts, every weapon ends up feeling the same

[frosty gazelle]

bro there is this build just do poseidin tidals dash and with the fists, just get the deadlus hammer and that one upgrade that does 900% extra damage to armor while doin dash strikes, and you can even get the herms boon to have an additional dash. and upgrade it with the pom

and to have additional attack damage is always nice

[tight basin]

May I interest you in dash only runs

[unique siren]

Gilgamesh🤑

[steel cave]

i have hoarding slash and 1249 coin, right before the final battle, but i have the option of buying a zeus boon for 450. right now i have lightning attack, cast, heaven's vengeance, and static discharge (makes every zeus attack gives Jolted which is nice because i have the status effect damage boost). Idk whether I should basically reduce my damage by ~62 to buy the boon

[ionic lichen]

how good is aspect of hera with mirage shot

[plain river]

Focusing on athena casts when you have zeus fists is kinda crazy

[plain river]

Hera is really good without mirage shot

Mirage shot is a decent damage boost

[plain river]

It wouldn’t be reducing your damage by 62 by buying the boon

It’d be reducing your damage by 19 on strikes

But tbh you already have static discharge so subsequent zeus boons are less necessary

Also getting up to that many obols in the first place is usually ill-advised even when you’re running hoarding slash it’s just not as valuable as spending your obols to get a build together

[fiery kraken]

Once you get the Athena/Zeus duo the cast clears rooms much faster than the lightning strike. You don't even really need it. Throw in an extra cast or two from Wells/chaos. In the boss fights I'm just attacking to wait until the casts get shed. In normal rooms everything just dies to the casts

[plain river]

I guess but this just seems better suited for any of the castpects like

[fiery kraken]

Right, but if the fists are hungry, and I am doing a fists run with Demeter fists. My go to is Zeus start, which always ends up spamming casts with Athena/sure Zeus duo. The original question was "What other fists builds are fun because I always end up just spamming Athena casts when I start with lightning strike on fists"

[plain river]

There are like 3 good options for non-cast builds then

Merciful End is the strongest by a long shot but also inconsistent

Zeus strike with aphro special -> zeus or dionysus call is really strong, and you aim for smouldering air from them

Or dionysus strike with aphro special and then you can grab like ares for curse of nausea or poseidon for tidal dash or zeus for zeus call

tidal dash is just really strong on non-ME builds

[steel cave]

wouldn’t it be 1249*.05 =62.45?

[plain river]

That math checks out but you’re only subtracting 450

You aren’t spending all 1249 of your obols to buy a 450 obol zeus boon

[steel cave]

i think i’m stupid… tryna wrap my head around this

[plain river]

1249-450 is not 0

You said you’d be losing 62 damage but that’s the equivalent of losing all your obols

[steel cave]

Ohhh right that’s the total damage i’m doing so (1249-450)*0.05 is my end result damage

if i purchased it. but i didnt

[plain river]

Yeah

[steel cave]

yippee! basic maths

[plain river]

You’ve also caught on to the worst part of hoarding slash

It’s added after all the other damage calculations

It’s not multiplied by any additive damage or crits

[manic notch]

im always here if you need gilga help

[forest hearth]

what do you run other than merciful

[manic notch]

[plain river]

Console autoaim is pretty solid for just using luci but specials do take some practice iirc

[forest hearth]

Also im curious, how strong is cluster hammer on Luci

[proper furnace]

Can't get cluster on luci

Triple bomb is its best hammer by far tho

[grave osprey]

Just realized how much of an anti-synergy Hazard Bomb is with Eris rail

[vital night]

Not great but you can dash to iframe the explosion

[plain river]

Incompatible with the aspect

[elfin totem]

What's a good chaos shield build?

[proper furnace]

Charged shot aphro attack @elfin totem

Ignore the gimmick 🙂

[forest hearth]

damn

[bronze pelican]

What weapons/aspects work best if I want to try for Hunting Blades

[dull viper]

poseidon sword, achilles spear, talos fist and eris railgun

achilles spear should be the best one but it's not an easy aspect to play

[bronze pelican]

Ugh all aspects I hate haha

[dull viper]

they all boost your cast damage 😂 🤷‍♂️

you can totally use any other aspect and still look for hunting blades on the side, it's very good even without those boosts

[plain river]

“Which weapons work well with cast build?”
“The ones that actually boost the damage of your casts”
“Arrgh ew”

[bronze pelican]

I just hate those weapons lol

[plain river]

What’s the problem with achilles btw

[bronze pelican]

I suck at it

[plain river]

This is big brain time

[bronze pelican]

Thank you for your advice but I have decided I will go with my favorite weapon: Aspect of Rama

[spring horizon]

which cast boons(or just boons in general) work best with aspect of beowulf?

[dull viper]

poseidon's cast and any arty boon that opens up their duo

poseidon arty duo is mirage shot, the secondary cast is supposed to have 30% damage but it's bugged on beowulf and deals full damage

[spring horizon]

ooh thank you

[elfin totem]

Do you guys have tips for learning em 3 champions?

[vale valley]

So. Aspect of Demeter. Any idea what I should be trying to build on them, beyond Zeus attack?

[dull viper]

other options are dio attack with aphro special then get the duo, or just merciful end

[vale valley]

I can almost never get merciful end 😭

But I'll keep that in mind, maybe one day RNGesus will favor me

[plain river]

Are you sure you’re grabbing the right prerequisites?

Because you can only get ME with strike or special from athena

[vale valley]

Yup. Ares strike and Athena special generally, still never seen it lol

[bronze pelican]

EM3 champs is easier than regular champs

[elfin totem]

Ok, what makes it easier, what should I change about my play style? Just saying they're easier isn't a big help

[dull viper]

they aren't easier, the guy above is probably just cracked

spacing is very important in the fight because both of them have big area denial attacks, maybe if you practice the fight with long range builds you'll get better at positioning yourself 🤔

they're quite hard with sword and fist

[proper furnace]

a lot of people find it easier cuz Theseus isn't pestering them with spears and don't have to deal with the shield for like 3 quarters of his hp

that said is not an opinion I agree with lol

cuz asterius gets a lot more dangerous

and yeah god forbid you are playing a melee weapon

[plain river]

EM3 just kills the melee weapons

It’s easier for a few heat levels though I think

It just mixes with like FO2 to become a real monster

[wary cypress]

if you summon meg at the very beginning without moving it’ll hit both of them

from my experience, anyway

[wary cypress]

ikr

i suck with both of those weapons

[dull viper]

you have to take a few steps up to guarantee it

[tight basin]

Just tap up and then summon

That's guaranteed

[bronze pelican]

For fist what you do is max out Zag fists and use lambent plume

And just face tank

[livid hare]

what are the best casts for achilles?

ares or poseidon?

dio?

[dull viper]

usually ares then hunting blades

[livid hare]

ic

thanks

[elfin totem]

Are there any good Beowulf builds? I tried flood shot to get mirage shot, but I didn't get anything and just get screwed in elysium

[proper furnace]

Are you using god's legacy

Anyways you can also do aphro flare into snow burst with priv status

(just mind about certain stuff like selling attack/upgrading rarity on it)

It can cause your cast's aoe to return the base cast one

[elfin totem]

I am

Ok thanks

[winged forge]

Does Jolted cancel out the double strikes from zeus?

[plain river]

? Nah

[winged forge]

just getting unlucky then

[plain river]

Jolted is completely seperate from lightning strikes so it can’t mess with any of your sources cooldowns

[winged forge]

I've got the lightning strikes applies jolted

I thought that maybe that would cancel out the double strikes

[plain river]

nah

[manic notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuXKeHgqoA8

new addition to the playlist

[quiet ivy]

queeeestion

does smoldering air work for hades' aid?

doing a sigil run rn and zeus and aphrodite have made themselves known

[proper furnace]

nope

[quiet ivy]

aw dang

[proper furnace]

if you have dad's call smair won't show up

[quiet ivy]

if you got to me a like a minute earlier i coulda purged thunder dash lol

here's hoping next pool will offer to take it off haha

[proper furnace]

(you can get smair dad call by getting smair with another call, sell it then equip dad's call)

but this just makes it unusable lol

[quiet ivy]

oh like the call is flat out unusable?

or it's just not good

[proper furnace]

unusable

[quiet ivy]

base hades call doesn't seem huge but charging it up quicker could make the weaker version appealing to me in theory

[proper furnace]

dad call only works at 50%

smair caps at 25%

[quiet ivy]

right and smair caps it at 25%

gotchu

mm gotcha

[proper furnace]

anyways for dad call is generally just for the dmg bonus in speedruns

equipped at styx usually

[quiet ivy]

well, zeus and artie being in my run i guess i can go for clouded judgement and hunter instinct to speed things up

quick favor from herm if he offers it

[proper furnace]

remember charon well for aether net too

[quiet ivy]

i'm just doing a little thematic run with hades spear + hades call

not too serious but i always like trying to find optimal versions of the builds i make, even if they are not themselves optimal

[proper furnace]

fair enough

[quiet ivy]

second question now that i think about it- hades call starts like 25% charged

does proud bearing stack with that or is it overridden?

athena already showed up, i'll see if she offers it

[proper furnace]

stacks

aether net is the charon well item that does a similar effect

[manic notch]

proud bearing and aether net my beloved <3 <3

i once had enough between the two that i was gettnig greater calls immediately

going through styx and greater calling in every room LOL

[proper furnace]

Does that waste igt with the god animation each time lmao

Also hi cherry

[winged forge]

is rama special + zeus special, jolted and double strike a decent build?

I'm kinda theorycrafting here.

[proper furnace]

Yeah

That said while you can do special only, generally that build is just support dmg

Most of your dps will come from the attack itself

[ionic lichen]

best build for curse of drowning?

[analog mauve]

achilles

[cursive flame]

i started a new playthrough on my switch and i swear i have not seen athena since the first run, i literally have gained most of the keepsakes at this point and have unlocked 5 weapons and have almost unlocked every talent in the mirror, i’m genuinely shocked it’s taking this long

[proper furnace]

Are you closing your god pool too quick

[vale valley]

Of all the hidden aspects, which one should I go for first? I've "unlocked" Guan Yu but haven't invested the Titan Blood, and still need to get all of the other non-hidden aspects

[dull viper]

shield and bow have the strongest hidden aspects so you can get those i guess

[ocean steeple]

Do not unlock guan yu until you have enough blood to fully upgrade it

Learned that the hard way…

[quiet ivy]

eyo question

shattered shackle- do chaos and hermes boons that affect atk/spec/cast remove the benefit?

i imagine not

[plain river]

They don’t

[quiet ivy]

hexcellent

[plain river]

Swift strike and the like from Hermes are so nothing that it’d be rather mean if they counted ngl

[quiet ivy]

doing a shackled arthur run and ran into a chaos gate, only one more chamber and then i'll be rolling in 600s

[quiet ivy]

honestly i'm usually inclined to agree but on a weapon as slow as arthur even common feels noticeably better

[plain river]

Arthur is a rather special case

As is chiron

They’re the main weapons that would ever take a swift strike or swift flourish

a few of the castpects might take flurry cast if they aren’t offered hyper sprint -> rush delivery

because being able to cast faster is incredibly useful for them

If you have flurry shot or flurry jab on bow or spear you might consider swift strike if there aren’t better alternatives

[quiet ivy]

flurry cast is really good for the fog runs i've done, same for blizzard shot

[plain river]

flurry cast is really good for the castpects but depending on which castpect you’re using you do just need the damage boost from rush delivery more (cough cough poseidon)

[quiet ivy]

i also took the epic version of swift strike for a spin with zagblade, flurry + cursed slash and drunken strike cleaned house really good

it was so blindingly fast i genuinely don't think hades' last phase took over 20 seconds

em4 starts his last hurrah with a little less health than the other two but it still chewed through him like nothing

[plain river]

flurry cursed slash

Unironically like prime new player bait

Cuz it does work well at low heat

[quiet ivy]

i play at 15 heat (max JS, CP and EM4) because i can't stand having erebus gates locked

[plain river]

That’s

a horrifying pact for 15 heat

[quiet ivy]

how so? it's pretty much just game plus beefier lol

[plain river]

Also for the context of my message I consider everything below 32 heat as low heat

[plain river]

Exactly

It just makes the game an uberslog where there are other pact options

[quiet ivy]

ah- i've cleared 32 with every weapon it's just not my usual cup of tea for casual play

[plain river]

that will not drastically extend your game

That’s what I mean like

Flurry/cursed works fine for casual play

It just falls apart when you try to take it to either extreme (heat or speedrunning)

Practically everything works fine for casual play thou tbh

[quiet ivy]

yeah i don't think my 32 clear for sword was zagblade at all, which is the only aspect i'd ever run flurry cursed on

wanna say it was heart rend arthur but it's been a minute

[plain river]

at higher heats flurry puts you in too much danger and doesn’t give you good enough damage relative to just dash-striking, and cursed slash can easily put you in the range to get 1-2 shot by enemies before your hp regen even matters at all

it honestly has massive anti-synergy for heat

[quiet ivy]

yeah- without hard labor or a nasty benefits package enemy it's been pretty ok but i can imagine it gets brutal when the healing drops below the damage you take

[plain river]

You also have to consider tight deadline which just starts taking 5 hp every second, since you aren’t really doing peak damage when using this combo

[quiet ivy]

there isn't a world where i'd take cursed slash at all without flurry slash lol- genuinely useless hammer without it

[plain river]

flurry slash is lowkey just a bad hammer for conventional purposes too since it makes your dashes way more dangerous and kinda pushes you into a worse dps method of dealing damage

[quiet ivy]

yeaup- still a fun combo for low heat, especially with a hangover with a good couple of poms

[plain river]

I mean that’s hangover being hangover

[quiet ivy]

honestly i just really like watching zag flail his arms about impossibly quick, zagblade's built-in attack speed + hermes + flurry slash truly looks ridiculous

[plain river]

Oh yk what

I have the clip for you

I just need to find it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flurry.mp4?ex=6839375c&is=6837e5dc&hm=c2db772a83cba30bf3e178b1b241c99503d7e68c22ab03270f51d802ccdbeee5&

[quiet ivy]

and there are many better methods of delivering it- i just did an eris rail with hangover pommed to 25 per tick, low tolerance, pressure points + heart rend and black out- DISGUSTING build

but it don't look as silly as my favorite zagblade lololol

[dull viper]

"miss me boy?"
"🧨 💥 🔥 🚒"

[plain river]

Dio call when you give it that many poms is utterly bonkers ngl

just use zeus strike on eris for call gauge building and let loose a dio minicall every so often boom

[quiet ivy]

ooh i might try that soon

i usually don't do zeus attack on rail- it's great for regular rooms but it feels a bit lacking on single bosses

but that and a dio call actually sounds gnasty

[plain river]

You do fine for bossjng

You just need to make sure you take static discharge for the jolted debuff

And you shred regular rooms and do good damage bossing

Good rarity and a few poms on jolted can easily drop like 150-200 base damage damage on an enemy whenever they try to attack

plus if it’s eris you can’t really go wrong

zeus strike is like

THE strike for rail

[quiet ivy]

this is true

[plain river]

lucifer, eris, and zag rail use it primarily

unless you’re doing a spreadifre build on zagreus

[quiet ivy]

i have tried on four separate occasions to get spreadfire on zagrail, to no avail

i KNOW the mutual exclusivities

i never take them and it still never comes lol

even the anvil doesn't want me to have my duke nukem day in styx

[plain river]

Just rng manip anvil

[quiet ivy]

i got a fun sea storm build with it back when i was still starting out and i have not seen it since lmao

[dull viper]

what do you take on spreadfire zag? 🤨

[plain river]

Merciful End or a solid +% strike

It’s one of the only builds where you’d consider demeter strike as long as it’s of sufficient rarity

[quiet ivy]

perhaps arctic blast if you find a good enough swift strike to make it worth it i'd think

[plain river]

you don’t really need swift strike like

It does the work just fine

you will attack fast enough

Swift strike is a solid option as long as hyper sprint / rush delivery/ greatest reflex aren’t offered

You’re even still fine with zeus strike due to still having a pretty solid attack speed

you just source additive from chaos and hermes

now

Zeus and Dio are probably your worst options on this but they’re still usable

ME > +% goddess build > Pos strike build > Zeus > Dio for spreadfire zag rail

[analog mauve]

[final coyote]

I gave a drink to bouldy and it gave me 2% ambiguity lol what does that do?

[dull viper]

the "ambiguity" one does literally nothing

[final coyote]

lol I thought so

[ionic lichen]

is stubborn roots affected by lasting consequences?

[plain river]

Nope

[ionic lichen]

hooray

[plain river]

It’s one of like 3 things that isn’t

[ionic lichen]

what about guan yu

[plain river]

along with all lifesteal, and max hp boosts

Guan-Yu still works

[ionic lichen]

neat

ty

[indigo ember]

Does Hyper Speed adds up to Rush Delivery?

[plain river]

Hyper Sprint does give its boost to rd

It’s the best source for it tbh

Since rush delivery uses all of your bonus move speed for the calculation

[indigo ember]

:D

ty!!!

[livid hare]

how to stygius?

i really like arthur but i’m pretty sure it falls off at high heat

i’m doing 15 heat on sword rn and i think the only other choice is nemesis

but idk how to nemesis

if there’s a good strat for arthur though i also want that

[dull viper]

arthur starts with athena attack or dash and takes shadow slash
nemesis starts with aprho attack then arty special to open up heart rend, also takes double edge

[livid hare]

arthur doesn’t start with artemis attack?

for the bonks?

[dull viper]

if you want bonks take aphro attack

[proper furnace]

Is a consistency thing

[dull viper]

aphro gives you more consistent damage, athena is more safe

[proper furnace]

Arty will overkill whatever you hit on that 3rd swing 15% then hit like a wet noodle every other time

[livid hare]

but the 1000 damage bonk :(

[proper furnace]

You can still get crit from something like pp + hunter's mark

Or deadly reversal

[livid hare]

oh yeah that

alright

thanks

[proper furnace]

Have fun

Also for Arthur you can dash in between swings

(and double edge is still pretty good if not the best on it too)

[plain river]

1000 damage bonk is fun but then every other time you deal no damage and your enemies stay alive

[proper furnace]

Sometimes all you need is a 2% pp

Sadly I think I lost that vid

[livid hare]

k

[livid hare]

yeah ik it’s fun seeing zag cross from a country’s length away to hit something

[analog mauve]

?

[dull viper]

my builds are beyond your understanding

[analog mauve]

[lapis quest]

Is Scintillating Feast (Dio-Zeus duo) a lightning bolt? What Zeus boons boost it’s damage if it’s not considered a bolt?

[proper furnace]

is a bolt yeah

[winged charm]

What do I need for a crit build?

Getting bored of DPS builds wanna try crit builds but don’t really know how to go from here

Also ping if you have suggestions!

I run Achilles

[plain river]

Wdym by “dps builds” like

every build is a dps build

do you mean like flat damage soup or something

For a crit build you generally want artemis on your main damage source, and aphrodite on either your special or strike (whichever is free), and hunters mark from artemis

If you’re doing a crit build with zag bow or nemesis sword where they already have crit chances, you flip the artemis and aphrodite to get better consistent damage

For achilles though

Actually for achilles specifically running artemis strike and ares cast is pretty common and that’s like 75% of a crit build mixed with Achilles trademark hunting blades, you could take aphrodite or athena for their duos with artemis, or you could grab poseidon for tidal dash/ zeus or dionysus for their calls

[winged charm]

Okay okay I’m gonna check that out

[winged charm]

Like just regular dmg? Like no crit lol is what I meant

[rotund sluice]

Hey what are y’all’s fav way to make a cast build

Traditional ones, not with Hera or Beowulf

“Traditional” meaning you cast the bloodstone its intended way

[dull viper]

achilles spear is probably the best castpect for what's in your mind
as for the build itself, get ares' hunting blades and then his duo with artemis

[feral siren]

I like poseidon with Aphrodite tbh

Like aspect of poseidon with Aphrodite cast

[lapis quest]

Not much choices here it’s either Aspect of Poseidon or Achilles

[lapis quest]

My fav is Aspect of poseidon with Artemis’ cast and Mirage shot

[rotund sluice]

I just kinda wanted to know what everyone’s fav cast is tbh (the aspects were just a bonus)

[rotund sluice]

With exit wounds I’m assuming?

[lapis quest]

Very easy and the burst is crazy

[lapis quest]

Yeah and that

[proper furnace]

The untrustworthy talos:

[rotund sluice]

Ah yes

[lapis quest]

I did a 32 two days ago with that build I’ll try to find the screenshot

[proper furnace]

You can do some memes with like blizzard shot/curse of drowning and keep dragging enemies into the aoe

[rotund sluice]

That’s actually kinda genius

[proper furnace]

It's still talos at the end of the day

And is also not achilles's +150% cast dmg

[rotund sluice]

Technically a higher multiplier than Poseidon!

[lapis quest]

@rotund sluice here it is

#h1-victory-boasting message

Achilles is very strong (it’s the best cast weapon), and gets the most out of your no attached bloodstone casts (blade rift,beam,dio cast)

[rotund sluice]

Hunting blades (my fav) and Dionysus bonk build are my go to

[quiet ivy]

i do this when the gauntlets are thirsting and i don't feel like playing beo/dem

talos is probably the singular decent use case i've found for curse of drowning

[tight basin]

Achilles is like the third best cast weapon but that's bc Hera and beo are dummy strong lmao

[rotund sluice]

Great username

Bananaz

[ornate arch]

I have a dumb question what does affect charging calls?

[proper furnace]

Number of hits, dmg dealt, damage taken (based on % lost)

Dmg dealt has reaaally quick diminishing returns

[ornate arch]

so nothing to do with the rest of my boons?

[proper furnace]

Some boons affect call charge itself

Zeus's idk what is called gives more call by damaging stuff, pos on dmg being taken, arty on crits (lol)

Basically if your build has a lot of small hits (fists + zeus attack and support fire) you'll charge your call a lot faster than something like hestia rail

There's also the 2 auto charge boons
Hermes's quick favor (epic is 1% every second)

Smoldering air (aphro-zeus duo) 1% every 0.2s, call caps at 25%

[ornate arch]

I mean like if i have zeus boon for attack , it doesn't affect my zeus call charging rate?

[proper furnace]

As an inherent bonus no

Zeus attack will charge calls faster than other stuff due to being an extra dmg instance

[ornate arch]

got it

I was thinking if like I have aphrodite or artemis boons if it would affect their calls

[proper furnace]

Your calls can still benefit from other boons from them, just not charging

Zeus's call can use double strike for example

Arty's heart rend duo

[ornate arch]

thanks

[elfin totem]

Guys everyone on Reddit is trying to convince me that Cold Fusion is busted. Am I tripping or are they just wrong?

[dull viper]

it's not busted, it's just decent
usually your source of jolted can be easily reapplied so still not much value

honestly one of Demeter's better boons though

(also never trust anything you read on reddit)

[analog mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[plain river]

You went to the wrong place for Hades information

[tight basin]

They generally assume green boon is good lmao

When it really isn't

Like if it showed up and the other options weren't great I'd pick it sure

But I wouldn't take it over like Zeus call if I want a call

And if I'm already applying jolted consistently

And I'd also sell it if I have the chance typically bc it is a lot of money lmao

[cloud pivot]

I sometimes get duo boons even when they're really mid just because I can sell them for so much

[final coyote]

I just disovered Helian on youtube and he's changing a lot of my opinions on builds. also encouraging me to try new stuff I hadn't thought of

[plain river]

He’s the only solid Hades youtuber aside from the speedrunners or high heat players, and those ones don’t really have followings outside of their own tightnit communities so

Yeah

Haelian is pretty solid

He does do a fair amount of meme challenge runs from what I recall

and some of his builds aren’t the best, he’s just a good player wielding them, but in general he’s good to watch

[final coyote]

I used to really dislike Aphro but now I've leaned how to use her I think. Specially her Duo with Ares

[plain river]

“Learned how to use her” and Curse of Longing in the same message

[final coyote]

why lol

is it not a good one?

[plain river]

It’s one of the worst ngl

If you’re trying to use aphro, she’s best used for her massive +% damage modifiers on strike and special

she’s got the largest for both, so she goes really well on anything that’s a ton of base damage, like bow strike

or rail special

[final coyote]

yup, aphro special + ares strike, with the aspect of demeter fists

that's my current atm

[plain river]

Except it’s redundant

[final coyote]

oh?

[plain river]

Well

Fists is a fast striking weapon

Odds are you reapply it before it even matters

And you have better duo options for doom

specifically Merciful End from Ares/Athena

where if you hit an enemy with any ability that can deflect, it’s dropped instantly

So you take ares strike, athena special to unlock the duo, and then divine dash from athena to instantly prok it on all your dash strikes

[final coyote]

hmm but in that case would the ares impending doom trigger too?

[plain river]

Yeah

[final coyote]

whoa nice

i still have a lot to learn i guess, i've only done up to 17 heat

[plain river]

It’s a really strong strategy that works on practically every melee weapon and a handful of the ranged ones

to the point where the devs nerfed the consistency by making you have to take one of athenas strike or special for it

Rather than just her dash

But like, sword uses her special in the dps rotation, as does fists

so

it’s not a huge deal

Demeter specifically ends up with a massive d-upper still

[final coyote]

yeah i'm really liking aspect of demeter now, i used to only use gilgamesh but now no

[final coyote]

ok i just tried this.. u were right.. so much better

it charges the god gauge so fast too

[rotund sluice]

Yeahhh another Demeter main

Merciful End and then going for billowing call from Zeus or Deadly Reversal from Artemis after is a really good way to shred enemies (though it’s a bit hard to get).

[final coyote]

ahhh sounds like a good combination

i didn't understand Artemis for the longest time, but now i really like Hunter's Mark

[rotund sluice]

Oh Artemis is amazing

I don’t think there are more than 3 aspects in the game that can’t use her

So anyway you like Hades spear?

[marsh nacelle]

I'm not really using Hades spear, I could've used Zag and it'd be the exact same

It's just that I literally never press the special button

So, just in case I feel like holding for spin, Aspect of Hades actually does something

But I haven't done that at all so really it's irrelevant

But yeah, never using special means that the effects of Zag and Achilles don't do anything, and Guan Yu has health reduction effects which would heavily impact how I play it

[final coyote]

I used to love aspect of Hades but now I'm only using Achiles

[rotund sluice]

yeahhh

[final coyote]

cuz Achiles beefs up the cast too

[rotund sluice]

I love hunting blades with it

[marsh nacelle]

I haven't actually used the spin attack at all while using Hades, so I'm gonna switch back to Zag just so you guys can see some of my stupid runs with a stupid aspect 😁

[rotund sluice]

Hey semi hot take

I think Aspect of Hades is the worst aspect in the game

Zagreus aspects included

[marsh nacelle]

Fascinating, why's that

[rotund sluice]

Simply because the spin is impractical

[final coyote]

tis impractial

but when it hits..

[rotund sluice]

And being the Aspect of Hades locks you out of flurry jab

[rotund sluice]

AND MOSTLY THIS

[marsh nacelle]

Oh true I love flurry jab

OH. I actually wasn't aware it did that

[final coyote]

flurry jab and then Hermes' faster attack

[rotund sluice]

Flurry jab is the best way to play the spear, as it increases your damage SO BLOODY MUCH

[marsh nacelle]

In that case aspect of Zag is actually way better if Hades locks me out of one of my best hammers

[rotund sluice]

HELL YEAH MACHINE GUN POKY STICK

[final coyote]

also flurry jab + zeus strike

so good

[rotund sluice]

Indeed

[marsh nacelle]

100% yeah

[rotund sluice]

With Achilles Artemis is better with the attack once you’ve maxes it

[plain river]

It’s mainly nemesis, achilles and zag bow

and Eris (on special)

[marsh nacelle]

I'm gonna try 38 heat with Zag aspect and see what happens

[rotund sluice]

It does it with all the aspects except Achilles and Zagreus cuz the other two have something changed about their special

[rotund sluice]

All cast builds like fully loaded

[final coyote]

I suck with the bow

[marsh nacelle]

Yeah, I know all the hidden aspects have effects on hammers

[rotund sluice]

Demeter wants her on special

[plain river]

Eh chaos is right there

[rotund sluice]

At least chaos is better than zag shield

[plain river]

Fully loaded is too rng dependent for most cast builds to even care

[marsh nacelle]

I 🤬 CORONACHT

[plain river]

That’s just not true

[rotund sluice]

Really?

[plain river]

Yeaj

[final coyote]

yeah Chiron is the only one i can survive with

the rest... no

[rotund sluice]

How bad can shotgunning people with shields be?

[plain river]

Then you’re using the bow wrong lmao

[final coyote]

yeah probably lol

[plain river]

It’s worse than just doing a cshot build

[plain river]

You probably aren’t dash striking enough like

[rotund sluice]

Rhythm game go brr

[plain river]

The #1 killer of bad bow players it standing striking

[final coyote]

I feel I cant even get that right lol

struggling with heat 18 atm

[rotund sluice]

Try pressing dash and attack at yeh same time repeatedly (practice on skelly)

[plain river]

Like

I’m not a top speedrunner or heat player

But I can still produce this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1192630956448817193/2024010419473301-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=68443562&is=6842e3e2&hm=e61260c0eaaeb6683d953d433dfefd6f17b279be166052f04edcb9eb88a4aae7&

for demonstration sake

[rotund sluice]

Oh nice

That shredded

[final coyote]

whoa

hate alecto

[rotund sluice]

yeah o hate her too

[final coyote]

I just caught a Voidskate for the first time just now lol

[rotund sluice]

Meg and Tisiphone are better

[plain river]

Voidskate my beloved

[final coyote]

Tisiphone cracks me up

[plain river]

500 darkness

[rotund sluice]

DA FISH

Hey what are y’all’s best time (just curious)

[final coyote]

can I check that in the middle of a run?

[rotund sluice]

No

[final coyote]

oh wait screenshots

[rotund sluice]

If you have those yeah

[final coyote]

17:35.49 with the twin fists on heat 13 lol

[rotund sluice]

So you haven’t tried pure speedrunning yet?

[final coyote]

nooo I'm trying heat 18 for the first time

how many hours do you have?

[plain river]

9:49

[rotund sluice]

Weapon?

[plain river]

Zag bow

[rotund sluice]

Figures

Where do you check hours played?

[plain river]

Depends on your method of play

[rotund sluice]

Switch

[final coyote]

check your 'profile'

[plain river]

If it’s one of your most played or recently played games it should show up on your profile

[rotund sluice]

Ok

Umm I share my account

But a rough approximation

[final coyote]

oh well

hmm.. nah on the switch it's the only place

[rotund sluice]

4-500 hours

[final coyote]

i'm at 350

[rotund sluice]

Nice

Oh 8:57 is my time

[final coyote]

but I feel like at least 100 have been in the last couple of weeks lol

[rotund sluice]

O got a God run

[rotund sluice]

lol

[plain river]

I’m at 460 hours on switch and like 20 hours on steam but today was the first run I’ve done in months

[rotund sluice]

Took a break?

[plain river]

I’ve been on off since like 2022-2023

[rotund sluice]

I see I see

[final coyote]

I hadnt played Hades in at least a year before May this yeat

[rotund sluice]

What made ya come back?

[plain river]

I played like 50 hours in 2020, then 380 in 2022-2023 then on off

[rotund sluice]

TBH I took a long break too

Yeah on and off sounds about right

[final coyote]

do y'all have the physical edition for switch?

[plain river]

Nah

[rotund sluice]

Like the card?

[final coyote]

yup

[rotund sluice]

Yeah why

[plain river]

I’m hear even when I don’t play the game just to talk about the game, but recently the itch started scratching again

[final coyote]

just wondering.. I love the little booklet that comes with it

[plain river]

I want to take my zag bow pb down

or my eris pb

[final coyote]

they put a lot of effort into it, and games nowadays don't really

[rotund sluice]

Yeah o have that sitting on my table

[final coyote]

I left it at home, I live on a ship for the time being lol

[rotund sluice]

Btw my phone sometimes autocorrects I to o

[rotund sluice]

Oh cool

[plain river]

My gamestop didn’t have any physical copies

They sold me a code to download it iirc

[final coyote]

I ordered it on amazon of Italy... of all places

but it's the american version anyway

[plain river]

Is there any difference? I could’ve sworn you can change to any language they have in game

Unless the name is different

[rotund sluice]

My version is Japanese but yeah you should be able to English

[final coyote]

yeah the game will play in whichever language your switch is on

but the european versions have the title in the spine with different font

and also they use different icons than the esrb ones

[rotund sluice]

Interesting

Hey who’s ur fav character?

[final coyote]

I have a huge crush on Thanatos

lol

[rotund sluice]

Iol

I like BOULDY

[final coyote]

it's the nip slip for me

[plain river]

Bouldy 💪

Then Artemis

[rotund sluice]

Yo we have the same taste

Then Sisyphus

Hmm

Then Achilles, Cerberus and then Duda

Dusa

[plain river]

Oh you like Thanatos huh?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/b/ba/Thanatos_smile.png/revision/latest?cb=20191204200358

Front facing than

[rotund sluice]

Stop they’re gonna start drooling in their screen

[final coyote]

lol the first time they went to the bedroom i almost died

[plain river]

Idk normally people have an adverse reaction to frontfacing than

[rotund sluice]

Really?

Interesting

[final coyote]

the nip slip can be too much for some folks

do you have then one where he looks kinda serious/angry?

[rotund sluice]

For research purposes?

[plain river]

I had to search to find front facing than in the discord

I specifically typed “front facing than” because I know it’s been mentioned a few times

I don’t normally have photos of him 😔

[final coyote]

why don't people like him tho

[rotund sluice]

People do

[marsh nacelle]

Okay so unsurprisingly 38 heat is quite a bit tougher

[rotund sluice]

Nah really

Did you win?

[marsh nacelle]

Nope, died to Asterius, but hey at least I need that to progress with Hypnos

[rotund sluice]

Try going up by increments of one or two

After 32 heat things really get exponentially harder

[marsh nacelle]

But 34 heat isn't nearly as exciting of a jump...

[rotund sluice]

Doubling your heat was already a Madlad play

There’s no shame in taking things slowly

[marsh nacelle]

Hades is telling me basically the same thing rn lol

[rotund sluice]

HA

[plain river]

It might be your pact

[rotund sluice]

I haven’t attempted a more than a 32 heat run

[marsh nacelle]

Oh it absolutely is, it's just the 32 heat run but with more stuff tacked on

[plain river]

Normally the jump is 32 -> 40 -> 45 -> 50 then individidual heats from there

[rotund sluice]

Really?

[plain river]

Yup

[rotund sluice]

Jumping 8 heat is bonkers for me

Especially after 32

[plain river]

From a well constructed 32 heat pact, 40 isn’t a huge huge jump

By the time you get to 40 though

[marsh nacelle]

I assume 63 heat is at least possible, right

[plain river]

All the remaining options are the least attractive ones

64 has been done

[rotund sluice]

Twice

[marsh nacelle]

Whuh

64?

[rotund sluice]

Indeed

[plain river]

You need godmode for the lst one

Zorry

[marsh nacelle]

godmode off?

[plain river]

Hellmode

[marsh nacelle]

Ahhh hellmode

Well. I am probably not ever touching hell mode.

[plain river]

Anyways

64 has been done unmodded twice and a load more times wirh the speedrun modpack

[marsh nacelle]

Wait, as in, unmodded twice ever?

[plain river]

yes

[rotund sluice]

Ever

And by the same person

[plain river]

The problem is that 64 really really turns everything you get into a massive rngfest

[marsh nacelle]

So I'm assuming 63 is unattainable heights for a only slightly higher than casual player like me

[rotund sluice]

No

Well

Probably not

Unfortunately

The jump from 63-64 is miniscule compared to the rest of the pact

[plain river]

it’s attainable but not if you remain at your amount of play like

[rotund sluice]

You’d need to be quite invested into the game

[plain river]

you need a load more hours

[marsh nacelle]

I'd obviously need a ridiculous amount of practice with lower heats, but, like, is the number of people who have beaten 63 bigger than 1, unlike 64 lol

[plain river]

yes

[rotund sluice]

Yes

[plain river]

it’s like 3 iirc

[marsh nacelle]

Ah. 3.

[plain river]

Lemme find the heat leaderboards for unmodded

[rotund sluice]

I thought it would have been like 5 by now

[plain river]

modded is a different story because it helps eliminate a load of rng

so you have way fewer resets due to bad luck

[rotund sluice]

More like average luck but not nearly good enough for the ungodly odds you need

[marsh nacelle]

interesting, but modding it to be easier isn't my style. I'll use god mode but that's an actual thing the game inherently is okay with me using

[plain river]

Ok

A)

This is wrong

It’s two

[plain river]

It’s not “modding it to be easier”

The speedrun modpack reduces rng

That’s the whole reason the speedrun community uses it

it has a seperate category because it is a modified game

[rotund sluice]

Did Angel not beat it twice?