h1-builds-and-combat

[livid hare]

it’s stupid ik

[tight basin]

zeus attack -> static discharge -> pom static discharge
that's basically your whole build lmao

anything else is extra and shouldn't detract from the build

[livid hare]

ok

[tight basin]

that might be why you're having a hard time with fists lmao

em3 and 4 are pretty anti melee, and em4 is generally considered not great for fists unless you have long knuckle

[livid hare]

i usually just die to some miniboss or random room or theseus not hades

i can’t even reach him cuz my build sukcs

[tight basin]

what pact are you taking lmao

[livid hare]

uh

don’t remember names but

time

em4

miniboss one

[tight basin]

what heat is this?

[livid hare]

more enemy spawns

[wet vector]

i have been running almost exclusively em4 fists for the last several hours of gameplay, it’s a great time

[livid hare]

for fists or in general?

[tight basin]

i mean it's still doable, just a lot harder

[tight basin]

fists

[livid hare]

oh

just em3 and minions

miniboss

sry swipe type sucks

[tight basin]

if you're struggling with rooms, don't take jury summons

oh wait lmao

okay that's fine

yeah minibosses are kinda a pain in the ass if you don't have summons

[livid hare]

i do

i have like everything maxed

[tight basin]

ah welp they shouldn't be too bad then

[livid hare]

except for aspects

[tight basin]

what minibosses do you die on

[livid hare]

and a bunch of keepsakes no one uses

[livid hare]

sometimes the ones in styx

or bull (if he counts)

[tight basin]

okay yeah that's fair

styx is a pain in the ass

bull too

[livid hare]

especially that spin attack like you just have to wait

[tight basin]

yeah not much to say there other than like don't die i guess lmao

[livid hare]

if you had like literally any other weapon you could retaliate

except sword ig

[tight basin]

i will say if styx minibosses are that much of a pain, i would consider turning off middle management and just take underworld customs

UC is pretty free considering the amount of junk boons that exist

[livid hare]

i don’t wanna give up boon :(

[tight basin]

or taking like dc2 bc you have zeus attack so that's also free-ish

does mess up summons tho

[tight basin]

i mean some of them are kinda just useless

[livid hare]

what’s the again

that

[tight basin]

damage control 2

blue hearts

[livid hare]

oh yeah

makes sense they’re fast

[tight basin]

yeah just be careful about your summons

bc dc would eat that up

[wet vector]

i am horribly addicted to the build of dem fists with dio atk, arty spec, aphro dash + any combination of their three duos if possible

[livid hare]

i usually forget about that and only use it on theseus and hades usually

maybe on styx mini if i’m struggling but yeah

[tight basin]

what summon do you use

[livid hare]

is that good

[tight basin]

it's like

[livid hare]

meg

[tight basin]

aight

[livid hare]

arty 💀

[tight basin]

dio attack on fists is the consistent option when you're doing high heat and have approval process 2 on lmao

[livid hare]

what’s that one again

[tight basin]

basically use it on every miniboss and boss and dad

that's 6, but you can skip like tart miniboss tbh

[tight basin]

less boon options

[livid hare]

oh

i used it once for the prophecy

[tight basin]

it's a lot easier to funnel early poms into dio attack so that build is good for high heat

[livid hare]

it was so annoying

[tight basin]

yeah most people shouldn't run it lmao

it's mainly just a thing for high heat runners

[livid hare]

ic

[tight basin]

it's funny when you get a legendary/duo through ap2 tho lol

[livid hare]

yea

[tight basin]

the 62 heat modded eris run gets zeus' legendary right before dad fight which was funny

even funnier is the fact that static discharge would've done more damage than splitting bolt lmao

[livid hare]

💀

[analog mauve]

i was so close

smh

[livid hare]

but static only does damage if they attack

[tight basin]

unfortunate

[tight basin]

yeah it was right before dad fight
and also rail attack doesn't hit stun

[livid hare]

wut

[tight basin]

so static discharge basically nearly always procs

[analog mauve]

2025 will be my year fr

[tight basin]

splitting bolt isn't necessarily bad, it's just that you'd rather have static discharge most of the time lmao

[tight basin]

fsfs

easy

[livid hare]

but legendary always procs since it’s on the attack no?

[analog mauve]

i was 3 pixels off hades hp bar from 62

[tight basin]

yeah but jolted would've done more damage lmao

[livid hare]

oh

damn

[analog mauve]

[tight basin]

the 40 damage per hit isn't like that much compared to jolted damage

[livid hare]

but they’re not always attacking

[analog mauve]

splitting is still huge tho

its like unpommed epic jolt id say

[livid hare]

SHUT UP!!!

[tight basin]

in dad fight it kinda just doesnt stop

depending on summons at least

[wet vector]

i mean they kind of are

[tight basin]

but yeah splitting is still good

[livid hare]

alright well

[tight basin]

you'd just rather have jolted lmao

[livid hare]

i gtg bed

[analog mauve]

dps meter will tell the truth

id rather have both

[tight basin]

true

real

[livid hare]

ok uh

don’t make fun of me

[analog mauve]

if i get a choice between splitting and jolt ill take splitting

[tight basin]

my favorite is getting splitting bolt on zeus shield and getting block bugged

[livid hare]

i’m a mobile player

[tight basin]

based

[livid hare]

i got it on steam but i prefer mobile

[analog mauve]

🫡

mobile is the real hell mode

[tight basin]

oh prefering mobile is cursed

[wet vector]

i’d take splitting there because i’ve got major Magpie Syndrome where i want the shiniest thing

[livid hare]

it’s cuz i first discovered it on mobile and then bought it on steam but by that point i was so far in

[livid hare]

damn

anyway gn guys it’s 1:55 for me

[tight basin]

i would also take splitting bc it's funnier not bc it's more practical

[wet vector]

^^^ these three duos synergize so well and all feel flashy

that’s why i do this over zeus jolt slop every run

[plain river]

Don’t get mad at Stickybot for doing it’s job bro

It does a good job

All it’s trying to do is put it’s own message at the bottom of chat so we don’t have H2 newbs in here yapping and spoiling

[mild monolith]

So I’ve beaten Hades before, and have just been practicing funny builds I could beat it with. But what could I combo Zeus with? Imo his boons aren’t that good, but is that just my shortsightedness?

[wheat tiger]

Quick question
I cannot be the first one to have wondered this before and there oughta be some calcs already done so i figure someone has to have answers.
How do crits compound with the Nemesis' sword aspect and Zagreus' bow aspect with the attack Artemis boon and Splitting headache?

[jolly chasm]

Additively

[wheat tiger]

so it would be a 45% on stygius then?

[jolly chasm]

Yes

With Arty attack and Nem aspect

[wheat tiger]

critting every other attack

that's rad

52% with splitting headache and max hangover, without low tolerance

hm
that seems less worth it

the way i've been doing it when i go for a crit build is with the dionysus boon on the special
but dionysus has no damage increase on the special

so the way it works i'd need to just spam special to get that much of an increase
1.5% extra is not at all bad but when i could get an aphrodite boon on the special and get that increase on it, plus sweet surrender and the heart rend duo

ok that's that figured out

appreciate the help

[wheat tiger]

Thinking on it

Athena might be a better slot for the special if the idea is to go for a crit build

no wait i don't really know how that effect works

deflecting stuff when you have the dash is easy enough but do you have to deflect on the most strict sense of the word to have the extra crit rate take place? Or can you just run into your preferred target with the dash and have the effect of deadly reversal take place like it does for blinding flash and exposing foes?

like if you run into something with blinding flash it also makes the foe exposed, there isn't an explicit need to deflect the attack

does that also work for deadly reversal and the extra crit rate?

[wheat tiger]

it's also less gods to consider and i can take Demeter on the cast and have the chance to access stubborn roots because i'm a spineless coward

[plain river]

He’s just fine you’re using him wrong lol

Zeus goes well on anything that attacks fast

[mild monolith]

Yeah I figured

Like the fists?

[plain river]

Rail is the best example, but fists is also good

his cast is pretty decent on anything as a throwaway core (not build related)

his call tied with dionysus for highest dps call

Comboing him with aphrodite for smouldering air with his or dionysis’s call is really strong

comboing him with artemis on slower aspects for Lightning R O D is decently strong too, especially on aspects like arthur

And zeus x athena gets you lightning phalanx for cast builds (strong duo boon for athena’s cast)

He does mainly benefit from more of his own boons, mainly static discharge but also double strike, splitting bolt, billowing strength

[mild monolith]

Thnx

[tight basin]

No you explicitly have to deflect an attack

Basically get the "deflected!" Thing to pop up

[wheat tiger]

Welp

Good to know

Aphrodite it is then

[tight basin]

For exposed you can just dash into them bc you hit them with something that can deflect, you don't actually have to deflect

[tight basin]

Athena special on sword deflects pretty often without trying ngl

Up to you tho both are good

Crit more often or crit for more damage lmao

[wheat tiger]

Both pickle my brain in a funny way

And having less gods to consider is pretty good if I do want to go for stubborn roots at the end of it all

[wheat tiger]

Well same as the dash
So having both just makes the whole thing easier I suppose

[plain river]

If you want to get stubborn roots, having 4 gods is optimap

[wheat tiger]

How so?

[plain river]

You have a “god pool” that gods enter whenever you take a boon from them, once 4 are in the game stops showing you other gods

So before than you have 1/8 odds of seeing any given god

After you have 1/4 chance of seeing any god in your pool

you can’t remove a god from your god pool

[wheat tiger]

Oh yeah I've noticed that bias

Well up to this point I've considered it a bias

[plain river]

and if you force in more gods with keepsakes, it’ll add them past 4

Hermes and Chaos don’t count because they’re both special

[plain river]

Although Stubborn Roots is certainly one of the boons you can aim for

[wheat tiger]

So the plan would be to take Athena on the dash and special maybe even the call, Demeter on the cast and/or the call and Artemis on the main attack

What would be a good fourth one?

Dionysus provides good survivability, Ares has a flat damage increase, Zeus might be helpful?

[full valley]

dem cast

dem call

[wheat tiger]

Access to stubborn roots because I'm a spineless coward

Also killing freeze and crystal clarity since there's the basic Artemis attack

[plain river]

Dio and zeus provide the best dps calls in game if you’re willing to forgo dem call

Posiedon is really strong on dadh (tidal dash is just big damage)

[wheat tiger]

Well there's still the Demeter cast

Dionysus sounds better to me in that case

[full valley]

arty, dio, athena/aphro, dem (because youre looking at four gods already, just be ready to improvise if you get a different god) ((wrote it down for your targetted gods))
Dem on attack (50% is nice, and you attack often for boons like killing freeze) ((already has crit from aspect & deadly reversal if athena in pool))
Athena/Aphro on special (for dr or hr, and crit on nem)
dio cast (good damage, can still be used)
arty dash (because of the crits, and extra damage, and needed prereq.)
dio call for huge damage, splitting headache)

got pulled away for a bit, mb

can do ice wine i guess, but just make sure you have the arctic blast i think

double edge is a huge dps increase because of killing freeze + ice wine, but so long as everything you have is viable

awww wait arty on dash doesnt give hr 😔

arty cast i guess, use it sparingly or not at all, just need for hr, and is still better than dem cast + better odds of getting stubborn roots + heart rend

[vital night]

I’m adamantly against dem on attack lol

[full valley]

likewise

its this or dem cast, dem call and crystal clarity fighting desired duo

[vital night]

I’m traumatized by dem in pool since the time I got to dad and timed out with dem special

Lvl 7 epic was like 180% boost

Terrible

[full valley]

on nem?

[analog mauve]

no

acid

not acid

zeus

[full valley]

[vital night]

Zeus yeah

Funny Pom blossom start run

Ended up having decent room rng but not good enough to offset 0 damage

[analog mauve]

i should play hades

i keep getting motivated and then demotivated when i boot it up

[vital night]

What are you dying to

Mostly pots?

[analog mauve]

mostly hermes

but if 60 then i die to hades

[vital night]

Unf

Maybe think long run and savestate some monodash?

[analog mauve]

what

monodash em4?

cuz ive crossed ely monodash multiple times

timewise its just not worth going for styx hermes if thats what yyou mean

unless good build and 2nd hermes only found in ely

[vital night]

Yes

[analog mauve]

not plausible

[vital night]

Idk man I haven’t played eris so I could be talking out of my ass, but if you learn monodash well, surely

[analog mauve]

i have a savestate you can try if you want

the savestate is actually quite winnable because of the call

pos call op

[vital night]

No access to hades machine atm

[analog mauve]

o

[vital night]

Until the 4th

Well, you could learn Zeus and go for a pb there

[analog mauve]

why

[vital night]

Get something before the new year

Idk

Pb is a pb

[analog mauve]

eh not interested

ill just try 62

[vital night]

Back to the mines

[plain river]

Game won’t give you crit duos without crit cores

[full valley]

dementia

[plain river]

Demeter ❌ Dementia ✅

[full valley]

amen

[ancient elm]

Is there a big difference between flood flare and flood shot when playing beowulf? Also does mirage shot work on both?

[vital night]

Flood shot is converted into flood flare when playing Beowulf

You can’t use flood shot on Beowulf

And yeah mirage gives 2x damage

[analog mauve]

not with that attitude

[ancient elm]

Ah ok gotcha was confused about that

Is mirage bugged on beo? Cuz it would give 1.3x dmg not 2x according to tooltip?

[vital night]

Yes it is

[ancient elm]

Ohh

Thats why im wrecking everything lol

[vital night]

One of the big bugs in the game that gives beo its speedrunning power

[ancient elm]

Yea feels like cheating

[vital night]

It is what it is

Just up the heat

[vital night]

At the end of the day, you’d be competing with people playing on a similarly bugged game, so it’s fair

[analog mauve]

end of the day u arent competing with anyone at all since its singleplayer

so its fair

[vital night]

On src atleast

[analog mauve]

ohh i see

[ancient elm]

Is Second Wave or Curse of drowning good with it?

[proper furnace]

2nd wave only does more knockback, and flood flare has like negative knocback outside of the edge of the cast

Can't get curse of drowning and mirage shot

To scale beo further you mainly want hyper sprint + rush delivery from hermes and cast dmg/stones from chaos or charon wells

[ancient elm]

Alright tysm man. What do you mean negative knockback? I have 2nd wave so should i sell it if i get the chance? @proper furnace

[proper furnace]

Oh just joking

But the flare has pretty much no knockback I mean

You could still sell it for cash ig lol

[ancient elm]

Alright. Yeah then it mostly helps if i have tidal dash or poseidon attack and barrier boons i guess

Just wondering if the poseidon boon that gives extra knockback dmg against bosses would work with second wave, so double knockback damage? Guess not

[proper furnace]

2nd wave doesn't copy the dmg

Ik it works with sea storm but afaik if you do knockback on your own before 2nd wave procs, well 2nd wave will never proc

[ancient elm]

Alright

Some mechanics are a bit tricky to intuit how they work

Thx for help

[proper furnace]

Have fun with beobug

[ancient elm]

Its a slaughter house in satyr tunnels right now

[ancient elm]

What other builds are as fun/broken as beowulf with mirage shot?

[vital night]

Any cast focused build on Achilles

Lightning phalanx, ice wine, dem cast

Hunting blades

[ancient elm]

Yeah ive done that a couple of times lately. Lot of fun. Any tips on cast boon?

Nice

[vital night]

Most aspects can just start tidal dash and put together a flat damage soup

Rama is really fun

Artemis attack or dash start

[ancient elm]

Love rama too

[vital night]

Crush shot Hera is very powerful

Zeus shield with Zeus special

[ancient elm]

Aleays have to take artemis attavk for those crits that delete the whole room

[vital night]

Yep

[ancient elm]

Hera i haven’t played a lot. Will try that

[vital night]

Basically just get crush shot and Pom it as much as possible. Look for snowburst, arty attack, and good Hermes

[ancient elm]

Why arty attack? For heart rend? Just got offered demeter attack seems decent for privileged status

[proper furnace]

for hunter's mark

and is also just solid dmg if you find triple or twin shot

also don't use priv status

[worn bronze]

I have a sadomasochistic desire to play guan-yu spear. I maxed it, to have less penalty. Could you please recommend me some build ways?
I'm trying to get breaching/charging skewer and fast spin charge, though luck is not always on my side. Not really understand the best boons due to not really good understanding of it in general.
Going full Athena with addition of Artemis and Aphrodite?

Also, is this aspect unique hammer any good?

[vital night]

The aspect hammer is fine. Quick and massive spin are usually best

[plain river]

If you’re looking for new effective ways to use Guan-yu

Building around the special and the charged skewer hammer are really effective

[potent tree]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[worn bronze]

Thanks a lot!

I'll thoroughly read this and try to follow.

[wheat tiger]

Quick thing
What's the point of Ares?
Like using Ares for regular attacks and the like

He's the only god I haven't really done anything with because everything he has just seems underwhelming

I would rather take Zeus' boons and have the extra damage happen immediately

I genuinely don't know what his deal is

But the flat damage increases are pretty nice whenever he pops up

[jolly chasm]

Merciful End duo

[wheat tiger]

That's it?

That's his whole point?

His whole schtick? His dealio?

[jolly chasm]

Technically, it's not the point of his boons, but it is the only way to make the doom ones any good

The other way to make his boons good is hunting blades

And that's it

[wheat tiger]

I did like that one plenty

But it's still a duo boon

At least it's Artemis' so there's not a lot to lose if the idea is to go for a crit build first and foremost

[plain river]

It’s hard to use him on strike outside of Hestia otherwise

[wheat tiger]

How does he work with Hestia's aspect?

[plain river]

If you can get enough additive from other sources

[wheat tiger]

Conveniently enough I'm about to start and exagriph run

[plain river]

Then you can drop an enemies armour and then just have the doom hit them unarmoured

[jolly chasm]

Aphro and Arty still better tho

[plain river]

But that’s a niche usage and uses the speedrun mirror

[tight basin]

And also requires you to get fat chaos bonuses

[vital night]

Doom is good as supplemental damage and can work as main damage at low heats

It’s fairly strong by itself

[analog mauve]

doom eris goated

try it

[mild monolith]

Alright. Out of all the hidden aspects, I can’t see the bright side to the spear aspect of Guan Yu. Can anyone recommend a good build for it?

[proper furnace]

@mild monolith

[gusty wasp]

Get Charged Skewer
Get high percentage Special
???
Profit

[vital night]

Artemis is stronger if you also have rocket bomb

But yeah eris is v nice with any flat damage

Yes, typically how it goes

[worn bronze]

I've got an advice higher. But most importantly, you have to level up it to max, because damn hp penalty.

[worn bronze]

Here, the whole guide. Was able to complete the run with it today. Got quick spin and serpent wing hammers.

[silk hatch]

maybe this question sh ould be here.

I have 4 titans blood rn and i'm not sure what to unlock, I'm thinking malphon or the rail. i am currently 1/1/0/0 on rail and 1/1/0/0 0n sword with no other unlocks, any advice?

[plain river]

There are a few aspects like nemesis, zeus, & hera that are pretty effective regardless of their level

[silk hatch]

at the moment just trying to bring these weapons up while i gain some mirror darkness. got a lot of the other stuff unlocked but the weaponn mods seem so small but they apparently arent. so i'm lost as to what to pick lol

[potent tree]

Check the pins in #h1-for-new-players to see what kind of returns you can expect

[silk hatch]

oh nice! love me some pins i should have checked. thanks!

[steel pecan]

whats the interaction between aegis hammer of pulverizing blow + sea storm / push boons from posidon

[primal brook]

Pulverizing blow will disable the weapon's base knockback. If you have poseidon attack then sea storm will trigger though but only with poseidon attack when you have that specific hammer or other push boons from poseidon.

[vernal jungle]

Some tips for Lucifer Aspect? I don't get it

[plain river]

The special is the main dps source

Any big +% special, lightning strike, and tidal dash should be a quality build

lightning strike works especially well on Lucifer the same way it works well on every other rail

But the chain lightning bouncing around actually has a chance to hit your bombs and explode them, which makes it even better

If the bombs ever get hit by anything they’ll explode, and you want to explode them asap

[vernal jungle]

that sounds great

[gusty wasp]

Shackle is right but there’s also a meme build called super soaker and it’s hilarious if you can get it going

Pos Attack, something Zeus and you aim for Sea storm

Jolted (stat discharge) is the main damage

Particularly insane with eternal chamber + triple beam

Falls really flat if you don’t get sea storm

[tight basin]

Basically the normal Luci build but with extra steps

[jolly chasm]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[vernal jungle]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[analog mauve]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[primal brook]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h3-discussion to talk about Hades III.

[wheat tiger]

Let us say that you're at Styx
Picking from the last Athena boon that you'll get
What boon would you pick and why between Athena's legendary meme barrier or Athena's call?

This is a time sensitive hypothetical

[jolly chasm]

Athena call is prob better

But orang

is funny

[wheat tiger]

You

You get it

Still it's between one and the other

[potent tree]

Call

[wheat tiger]

Thats the rough thing

Alright that's two answeres toward the same result

Thanks for participating in this time pressing hypothetical

[plain river]

Athena call gives you a bit of time where you can just blast out dps without worrying about being hit

Which I think is more valuable than the safety net of Divine Protection

[wooden jungle]

I know it's buggy but thunder dash is so fun

[plain river]

It’s only really bugged on sword

should be fine on any other weapon

[vital night]

3/4 of them, if anyone is curious

[full valley]

Why is thunder dash bugged? How is it bugged?

[jolly chasm]

It makes it super hard to aim dashstrikes on sword or something

[vital night]

Your second dash strike will go in the same direction as your first dash strike on non Arthur saords

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1003950297665781830/zeus_dash_bug.png?ex=678038d3&is=677ee753&hm=e1c337b25d51daa2b5cb07df3571a6719ff2ff6f23926fc91290f2db7d88f950&

This epic diagram

shows that when you dash strike twice in a row with thunderdash, the second dash strike keeps the same striking angle as the first

[full valley]

thank you

[plain river]

it’s really trippy

[wheat tiger]

I think I just got handed a run

First time using the aspect of Lucifer
It's the aspect that I found most interesting

Got an Aphrodite special boon on the first room, got a Deadalus hammer with triple bomb on the second, them got a Chaos boon with special damage and then by sheer luck got Lightning strike from a random room since the chaos boon hid the preview

I think I'm made

I'm at chamber 7 of Tartarus

Epic lightning strike and rare Aphrodite special

I'm loving the sound design
Truly I have become the light bringer

Epic sweet surrender

I haven't even made it to the boss and this is one of my favorite runs

I can imagine cluster bomb being as ridiculous as triple bomb of it even gets it

Hm
I might have gotten too hubristic
I will now have to fight the hydra with only my special because of a chaos penalty

And this neat crystal thing Demeter gave me

[wet vector]

how do you fight with only your special on lucifer

[wheat tiger]

Turns out the Demeter cast can detonate the bombs

Also the Athena dash too

So I grabbed triple bomb and just planted a mine where I wanted something gone and then rammed it with the dash or threw another meme beam at it

And the hydra did not much agree with that

Diead of death

[wheat tiger]

Hades melted
He is currently but a pile of ash with two eyes

That was very fun

[wet vector]

incredible

i should try rail again maybe

[wheat tiger]

It's very fun
The rail is one of my favorite weapons

[analog mauve]

same

[wheat tiger]

Can do a crit build with the hestia aspect, a Poseidon razor shoals build, could just take a lightning strike and melt stuff
It's just fun

[vital night]

works best with triple bomb, but you can fire them on yourself and use a dash or cast to detonate or fire 6 total and have them all detonate

lucifer special build holds the heat WR lol

[ancient elm]

Is there any point in having hangover on more than one thing? Like dash and attack? Cuz I believe they cancel each other, just checking

[proper furnace]

You don't want more than 1 source correct

New stacks override older ones even if they have weaker dmg

[ancient elm]

Im playing hades for the first, usually prefer achilles, and damn the spin is so much more dangerous than special to get the damage boost

Keep taking damage loading up the spin

[proper furnace]

Wait wdym

[ancient elm]

Do some people prefer hades? The spin is kind of fun but i feel like achilles special is the more efficient and safe way to keep the buff on

[proper furnace]

Oh hades aspect lmfao

No yeah achilles is the better of the 2

[ancient elm]

Yeah lol i realized the wording was confusing😆

[proper furnace]

Also bc cast dmg is a lot more useful

[ancient elm]

Right. Love playing achilles with cast

[plain river]

Is this like a genuine question about why special is the main damage option or a very literal question

[wet vector]

that was me not realizing dash damage could pop specials

thought you needed to shoot it or have an enemy pop it

[plain river]

Oh so it was a very literal question

[vital night]

Any damage for the most part

Yeah

[wet vector]

makes sense, i just didn’t know what was a thing from my one (1) lucifer run ever lmao

[wheat tiger]

Say can anyone explain real quick why does lightning strike do that
With the fast attacking weapons the fists and the rail, lightning strike just melts stuff and that seems a bit counter intuitive for a boon that doesn't amplify damage directly
Is the sum of each attack and the lightning that much? or could it have the same effect if you were to just take a boon that amplifies the base damage up to that point?

[proper furnace]

Is mostly bc it lets you access jolted

Also bc the base dmg of your weapons is like 10 (or 15 for fists) so even common attack already doubles that

Aphro's epic attack is +100% but you don't get extra aoe and other dmg buffs will be additive with aphro

Zeus gets to double dip your attack and the lightning with stuff like rush delivery or eris' buff

[plain river]

What

For fast attacking weapons it’s like a massive multiplier on their damage

As opposed to the +% buffs that are adding like very small numbers to very small numbers

a common lightning strike on rail adds 10 to the base 10 damage

that doubles it

Which is equivalent to a perfect epic aphrodite strike

etc for why it just makes more sense to run flat damage on fast attacking weapons

without even mentioning the aoe from the chain lightning bouncing

[proper furnace]

And jolted is big dummy good

[fervent root]

question, what are good boons for arthur.

I was really close to getting a successful run but didn’t deal enough damage surprisingly

[plain river]

not a huge surprise from arthur

[fervent root]

against the final boss at least

[plain river]

Actually can’t talk rn I have a meeting so I’ll leave that to someone else

[fervent root]

Artemis seems pretty good.

[fervent root]

alr

[plain river]

+% works, can’t get more specific without more time

[proper furnace]

Aphro atk + zeus call and get their duo always works

Arty is fun if you wanna see big number and are willing to hit like a wet noodle on non crits

[fervent root]

for context, I had dionysus and demeter but it dealt really pitiful damage against hades.

[fervent root]

yea for sure

[proper furnace]

...dio atk or dem atk

[jolly chasm]

Pls say Dem attack

[fervent root]

ok if iirc it was arty on atk, and i think zeus on special.

i had rare crop and demeters call, and i think dio’s cast but it didn’t deal much i noticed.

i prob didn’t think the build through initially

honestly the build wasn’t the problem, it was me already at 1 death defiance starting hades

which isn’t ideal

might go for aphro atk though next time

OH and i had athena’s dash

[vital night]

That’s fine, you can look for rod then

[fervent root]

will say though arthur’s specialized hammer upgrade isn’t too bad at all.

slowing projectiles is really nice as well as a bigger aoe for the special

[jolly chasm]

Like, the only thing that I would really add to the build is Tidal dash from Pos

[fervent root]

yeah…

[jolly chasm]

It’s not a bad hammer, just kinda outclassed by Double edge and Shadow Slash

[fervent root]

agreed for sure, it’s decent. those ones are really good tho, yeah.

[potent tree]

It's kinda fun if you have Athena attack. Just like boop a whole clump of projectiles back at their casters

[fervent root]

yeah i did run with Athena’s dash, so it was pretty fun.

it’s especially good against splitters and wretched witches.

generally i like the hidden aspects. guan yu and rama though are weird for me however.

arty for arthur’s heavy slash is great though.

honestly dio’s cast is just… ok at best

ice wine does make it a bit more useful

[full valley]

😢

[fervent root]

wait who’s rod again or what is it?

[vital night]

lightning rod, duo between zes and artemis

[fervent root]

thanks

[fervent root]

also i switched my controls again

beforehand, i used to have RB as dash but now it’s LT alongside RT for attack.

but i figured out that shoulder buttons for dash is so awkward lol

[torn pewter]

Hey so what do we consider better, the res once per room or the multiple res’s per run

[full valley]

multiple

it is useful later on

[small kelp]

I had no idea that the benefits package would make the hades fight so difficult

Are there? Any tips for how to survive the ten extra perks given to hades bc im losing my mind

[plain river]

It typically doesn’t

[small kelp]

If you ramp it up to the max it includes the final boss

[plain river]

…no it doesn’t

Unless you mean Extreme Measures

[small kelp]

...Yes it does? Ive been doing it?

Oh

HELP.

[wet vector]

you mean extreme measures yeah

[small kelp]

THE BENEFITS PACKAGE IS FOR THE MOBS

[plain river]

[small kelp]

MY BAD

[wet vector]

lmaoooo

[small kelp]

Anyways yes

I was not expecting the third stage at all i cried a little

I thought. Surely. The cerebus burst, the mini bosses he spawns, the new attacks, the healing, surely that was all he got

And then i hear him "I'm not done with you yet boy"

Horrible

[jolly chasm]

Em4 is pretty hard

[small kelp]

3 death defiances were not enough im not built for allat

[plain river]

Just run it by itself without anything else to start

[small kelp]

Huh?

[jolly chasm]

Just the Em4 pact

With no extra heat added

[plain river]

don’t run other heats with Extreme Measures 4 to start off

[small kelp]

Oh im. Running it by itself

I dont have the skill to get to the hades fight w other stuff in the heat gauge

[jolly chasm]

I still have nightmares from that savestate I made to practice fully beefed up Em4

[small kelp]

Im still trying to get the first statue? Trinket? Skelly thing

[jolly chasm]

Horrible mistake

[small kelp]

NO WAY

I was running benefits package w em4 and i didnt get past the styx dungeons

I'll see if with enough practice i can beat it but. Def running it on just 3 for now while i get the first achievements

[vital night]

Em4 is a disastrous fight to learn in your first 40-50 heat points

If you really want to, go for it, but other stuff is probably more straightforward

[wet vector]

i learned it at 10 cause it seemed fun

(it was)

[vital night]

For sure yeah

[wet vector]

i wouldn’t recommend it as a stepping stone towards higher heat but as its own thing? yeah it’s interesting and fun to learn

[small kelp]

Its honestly crazy the amount of extra content you can get w it

Like the cerebus burst was so damn funny why is the dog running

[wet vector]

its his job!!

[small kelp]

He should be enjoying his snack!!

Not trampling over me!!

[wheat tiger]

Hey is Hera's aspect bugged?

Like I was running it with the Aphrodite cast and 3 stones, charging them all into a single attack
It was a nuke when it worked but sometimes it didn't

Sometimes it would one-shot one enemy, and then one of the same variety would be living still under the same conditions
Sometimes all stones stuck and others only one while the two others immediately dropped

It was fun but it was very inconsistent

[potent tree]

Did you have Blown Kiss?

[wheat tiger]

Was that really the issue?

I took it because I was between a rock and a hard place with that boon choice

Had no funny dice

[potent tree]

Blown Kiss messes up Crush Shot's hitbox when used with Hera

[wheat tiger]

Well that's the explanation I needed

That's weird

Why?

[potent tree]

Because SGG made an oopsie

[wheat tiger]

Alright

[potent tree]

I've heard tell that Blown Kiss on Hera with Crush Shot requires you to undershoot in order to land the Crush Shots

[wheat tiger]

That's just wacky

Well then now I know not to take blown kiss if I try that again

[plain river]

Yeah

You really don’t want need to learn em4 for heat until 50+

Otherwise you’re just running significantly harder heat pacts

[tight basin]

Crush shot by itself already has like a sort of dead zone where it just doesn't do anything. It generally doesn't matter and everything is fine, but blown kiss extends that range so you just don't hit

[gusty wasp]

Everyone does blown kiss on Hera once (and exactly once)

[tawdry estuary]

Do things like high voltage and static discharge affect scintillating feast?

[jolly chasm]

Yes

At least jolted does

[tawdry estuary]

What about double strike?

Aaaand RIP. Doesn't matter now since I ran out of boons to grab this run and somehow failed the duo boon chance six freaking times in a row despite having the requirements...

[plain river]

Yea

If it affects lightning bolts it affect scintillating feast

[plain river]

Did you make sure your cores were filled

[vital night]

Me omw to duo hunt with 2 cores

[tawdry estuary]

Yep.

[tawdry estuary]

Honestly I generally get duos first try, regardless of how many cores I have. Which makes it even weirder.

[plain river]

See that’s just you being used to being lucky

[rigid surge]

https://imgur.com/a/JGvvsVZ does anyone know why is this duo boon not working on my basic attack?

[vital night]

you have to tag with doom and then proc it by attacking the enemy

[rigid surge]

oh so it just explodes the doom?

[vital night]

yeah so you don't have to wait for it

but there has to be doom on the enemy first

it's 40 bonus damage

[rigid surge]

i thought it would work like poseidon + zeus duo boon

[vital night]

ah unfortunately not yeah

it's still very strong if you get doom on attack and athena on dash though

[rigid surge]

too late

[vital night]

next run trust

[spare heath]

anyone know an easy win build on eris rail? im on low heat about 5

[plain river]

Flat damage soup should be a pretty straight forward go to mmm

[spare heath]

Like a heart rend or any other good combo suggestion?

[plain river]

Zeus strike, tidal dash from poseidon, something +% on special (probably aphrodite), zeus or dionysus call

[spare heath]

ahh I get what u mean now

[plain river]

Sorry I dropped the name of the build then started explaining my b

[spare heath]

Wait, what's the core duo boon on this?

[plain river]

There isn’t one

[spare heath]

So zeus legendary

and double strike

[plain river]

Static discharge first

it’s better damage

[spare heath]

Aight tysm

[plain river]

If you get aphrodite special

[spare heath]

sweet surrender?

[plain river]

Then smouldering air with zeus or dionysus call is now your core duo

[spare heath]

right

[plain river]

besides that

look for Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery from Hermes for big bonus damage

if you end up with artemis in pool, support fire adds more to your flat damage soup

[spare heath]

Real, I forgot abt that

[plain river]

your hammers are going to be looking like cluster bomb rocket bomb triple bomb priority

[spare heath]

Wait, it seems hard to trigger the bonus dmg from rocket bomb

[plain river]

it’s not really

find a wall: done

shotgun an enemy: done

[spare heath]

gotcha

easier to land too

[plain river]

Faster to land

and if you get either cluster or triple you now have a massive shotgun too

[vital night]

Good builds don’t need a duo usually and eris is very strong with normal boons

[gusty pecan]

the glorious super soaker build

how i do love watching dad cease to 4000 damage in a second

[plain river]

Even though most are centered around 1*

Merciful End is only real build that lives & dies by it’s duo

The rest are like “we’re building towards this but we’ll do fine without”

[vital night]

See idk if I would agree. If a build centers around a duo, that means it’s not super strong in the first place

[plain river]

Really? I feel like most builds I have off the dome are just plain good cores for a given weapon that interact well together when duo’ed

[vital night]

Maybe im too brainrotted but you won’t catch me even thinking about a duo during my runs

Even during speedrunning, merciful end and mirage shot are kinda it to me

[jolly chasm]

I would say this is a more accurate statement, most speed builds kinda build toward a Duo, but they don't really focus on it

Because things like Jolted or Beaver kinda out class almost every duo in the game lmao

[vital night]

Yeah kinda my point

[plain river]

That’s what I was saying

[raven roost]

Opinions on the pact of punishment lightest punishments? From what I gather opinions seem divided, there's rarely something that people agree on

For example, while I feel like jury summons it's easy to deal with, it's also a complete pain and not worth it over the damage increase for example, simply because of how long it takes to deal with each room

Same and worse with the HP increases

[potent tree]

There's a heat guide in the pinned messages of #h1-high-heat-strategies

[raven roost]

Thanks but I was looking more for opinions and some discussion, not a guide :p

[potent tree]

Okay, but the guide is pretty representative of this server's opinions

[vital night]

People agree on a lot

It’s just that some of the options can be more fun to some people than others

[vital night]

What do you want to discuss?

Anything except RI, AP, JS, HS, and CP are pretty straightforward

[raven roost]

Literally anything, one pact over the other, epic or legendary boons on mirror, authority vs persuasion etc

[vital night]

EM3 is a little rough and EM4 is a really big hump that shouldn’t be taken

[vital night]

Epic boons and persuasion

[raven roost]

Interesting, I've seen people claim that legendary and duos are more consistent for the main boon of the run

Something along the lines of guaranteeing Merciful End with a legendary in a run for example

[vital night]

Nah, especially not with heat

[jolly chasm]

What lego even goes with ME

DP?

[vital night]

You can’t guarantee merciful end like that, and merciful end is an outlier in that it’s actually a really strong boon

Idk

[raven roost]

So it depends on the build and run, no?

[jolly chasm]

Also, you still take pride for ME because of epic doom

[vital night]

Good builds for heat usually depend on 1-2 core boons that aren’t legos since that’s really unreliable

[jolly chasm]

Common doom hits like a wet noodle

[vital night]

No

Run pride and persuasion on everything (for optimal play)

[jolly chasm]

Some people will swear by Legacy on Beo for sheet farming, but I am a firm believer in Pride

[vital night]

And especially for heat, pride vs legacy stops mattering pretty quickly with routine inspection

[raven roost]

What's sheet farming?

[jolly chasm]

Getting a large volume of runs under 6 minutes

It's called sheet farming because all the runs get put onto a spreadsheet

[raven roost]

Sounds boring

[vital night]

??

[jolly chasm]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d56DvDTE8WvQsMRQFs1pLbNpMBHy2CLYss69EL-8bMU/

[vital night]

Very big and fun hades goal tbh

[jolly chasm]

When Goomba

[vital night]

Normal goomba?

[raven roost]

If you have time to play, sure, have at it

[vital night]

Honestly after 64 lol

[raven roost]

when you don't I assure you you'd rather enjoy the game rather than grind it for a statistic :p

[vital night]

Yes?

Nah, I don’t have very much time to play and when I do, I’m still grinding for certain goals because that’s what I find fun

[jolly chasm]

It's more a goal to aim for while aiming for other goals

[raven roost]

I can understand if it's speedrunning and getting the lower time somehow

[jolly chasm]

Like somebody might get Goomba(20 sub 6s) while on the sub 5 grind

[raven roost]

filling a spreadsheet with runs cause they're under 6 just sounds like work

[vital night]

Sub 6 doesn’t just happen for most people tbf

And it can be satisfying to input your runs into the sheet

[raven roost]

There should honestly just be a mod for that

to export the runs to an excel or something along those lines

[jolly chasm]

I don't think that's even possible

[vital night]

It’s not that hard either

Info is just the splits, aspect, runner, etc

[jolly chasm]

it is really easy to put sheets onto the sheet because the modpack lets you see splits at the end of the run

[raven roost]

I assume the stuff in the administrative chamber comes from somewhere

[jolly chasm]

Yeah, it's seven things in total

[raven roost]

and the time at the end of the run etc.

[jolly chasm]

It doesn't track the right things

[raven roost]

There's also triggers for when a boss dies and an ingame timer

What else do you need other than splits and the total time?

[vital night]

Yeah the modpack tracks those and puts them in an easy to read format at the end of the run

So then you just input them onto the sheet

[raven roost]

And it doesn't just export that info?

Weird af lol

[vital night]

Idk, even if there was a mod, I’d probably still want to do it manually because it’s satisfying

[raven roost]

You do you :p

[vital night]

I think linking the mod with the spreadsheet would be a lot more trouble than it is right now

There’s already messiness with how big the sheet is afaik

[jolly chasm]

It bugged out pretty recently because there was too many runs lmao

[raven roost]

Absolute skill issue, using google spreadsheets instead of a dedicated db running literally anywhere

[jolly chasm]

(it took like 30 sec to fix but it was really funny)

[raven roost]

Would be a cool project to set it up with a website, where players can submit runs

[potent tree]

Or chisel it into stone!

[jolly chasm]

Someone did

[raven roost]

Then again I don't suppose there's enough people to make the project worth doing

[jolly chasm]

It turned into a massive cluster and a huge disaster

[raven roost]

lmao

[vital night]

Yeah honestly through seeing how other solutions have gone, the sheet is definitely the best version

[jolly chasm]

Anyway, speaking of the sheet, I should prob add the runs in the form response lmao

[vital night]

To cap off the earlier discussion though, most things in the game have been solved and you can know the right option for 99% of purposes pretty easily

[raven roost]

Where

[vital night]

Guides or just asking

[raven roost]

What if 2 guides say different things?

[jolly chasm]

Look who wrote the guide and when it was written

If I have a guide on Hestia from some random person Vs a Zyru Hestia guide, heed the Zyru guide

[raven roost]

I sure know who Zyru is

[primal brook]

Check who has the greater accomplishments (eg. Aspect of Explosive Return is a high heat pro and Edward77 is a speedrunning pro)

[jolly chasm]

lmao put that back

[primal brook]

Alternatively you can try both things and see what works

[primal brook]

Nope, you can't make me.

[raven roost]

Actually, there's something that I always see divided opinions

What is the best weapon for high heat runs and speedruns?

[jolly chasm]

Best for heat is Zeus, best for speed is Beowulf

[raven roost]

yeah I can see that, zeus is just cheating

[primal brook]

Generally speaking high heat has 3 "best" weapons: I'd rank them Zeus,Rama,Eris (maybe Guan Yu also)
Speed is mainly just Beowulf/Hera (and maybe Eris)

But it really depends on skill level and how "high" high heat is.

[jolly chasm]

I think third best for speed is Achilles

[raven roost]

64 ofc

[primal brook]

yeah then zeus is probably best

[jolly chasm]

although the other S tiers for speed are def Achilles, Eris, and Hestia

Beo and Hera are on another level

[jolly chasm]

I ranked the aspects again lmao https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1328155118373175296/tier_list_again.png?ex=6785ac58&is=67845ad8&hm=40b87a4430609120af136008f8c9c26f8d92b99fd5f55cf0d7be7ef6cbf9c9a0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=202

Speed focused ofc

I'm gonna rank all the boons again

The only problem is that I think the only tier list that actually has all the boons doesn't have them labeled

nvm I found one

[vital night]

Guides written by individuals in the community are usually more reliable than game journo articles

And yeah, just look for people with WRs usually

The most up to date philosophy is probably what set the current world record, atleast for heat and usually for speed

[jolly chasm]

:)https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1328160320673550428/fdgfdfgddgfdfg.png?ex=6785b130&is=67845fb0&hm=1009f4f6cfa3d8f4eaa3c6c11ab2009a25d3a09ddf56cf744427519c52dc29de&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=542&height=584

[lucid oar]

Idk man as someone who hasnt played the game id put divine dash higher

[wheat tiger]

Say can anyone explain what the deal with the Beowulf shield is?
I unlocked it out of curiosity and want to try it out
I don't really know what its deal is aside from loading the casts, there's only so much you can test with Skelly
Lucifer and Rama aspects were easy enough to understand but I dunno what this one does

[jolly chasm]

Step 1. Get Flood flare from Pos

Step 2. Get An Arty core

Step 3. Get Mirage Shot duo

Step 4. Win

But more seriously, make sure to dashstrike into bullrush and try to get as many cast buffs as possible

[wheat tiger]

Dash Strike into bull rush?
Like dash strike and then bull rush or dash strike after bull rush?

[jolly chasm]

First one

[gusty wasp]

It’s not great with low titan blood, it becomes pretty ridiculous with full blood, mirage shot, cast modifiers (chaos etc)

[wheat tiger]

Oh no I maxed it out

[gusty wasp]

Poseidon + Infernal cast or Dio + Stygian cast - but it’s harder to get mirage shot if you start with Dio

And for infernal cast it loves the hammer charged shot(?) but it’s not a must

[plain river]

Every cast is functionally changed on beowulf

[plain river]

…you didn’t really need to

Beowulf is broken af at low levels

and the levels only make it slightly stronger

But you can always make back the titans blood so don’t worry about it

[plain river]

“It’s not great with low titan blood”?!?! Tf are you on about

You have 100% functionality at level 1

[vital night]

Yeah beo is still broken at lvl 1

More attack damage is good but not required

[clever mason]

Mirage shot is “broken” in a good way for beo. The 2nd shot mirage is supposed to do 30%, but it actually does 100% for beo.

every cast you get from chaos is an actually two casts damage instead of 1.3 casts damage.

Also with all cast builds, you’re already poming the cast aggressively which gives you flat damage increases that mirage shot multiplies.

Beo being broken af isn’t obvious. When everyone got their hands on it at first, they didn’t get it either. Then they found the bug and now beo is at the top of the pops.

[jolly chasm]

Slight correction: They found the bug AND they found Cshot

[plain river]

Yeah use your dash strike to pull up the block because dash striking is 33% faster iirc

[tight basin]

I love how many people jumped at the chance to explain beo lmao

[jolly chasm]

Beo is kinda my thing

[gusty wasp]

Imma be honest it’s been ages since I leveled it up

I thought the cast damage scaled linearly with the titan blood tho, wasn’t that the case?

I see it’s only the attack that scales? Yeesh

[potent tree]

Beowulf is insanely overpowered as it is

[proper furnace]

imagine a world where beo also gets cast dmg on lvl ups lmfao

[silk hatch]

What's the ||acorn|| I can't seem to find it anywhere but it's on a lot of victory posts

[primal brook]

It's the keepsake from Euridyce

It allows you to take 0 damage from the first 3-5 hits from a boss (depending on the level of the keepsake)

[plain river]

& it’s like the best defensive keepsake for most situations

[silk hatch]

ohhhh

thanks guys >:)

at the moment, i'm not skilled enough to make use of it too well. but i'll pop her a drink next time i run into her

[rigid hollow]

question of the curiosity and thonking variety: for Nemesis, is it too greedy to go for DeadlyRe and Heart Rend every time? and if so, then is
🟩 Attack
🟨 Spec
Dash
okay?

[full valley]

with hunters mark too, and already crit from arty, as well as nemesis itself, might not be worth hunting for it

also pdash isn't fantastic and you can fit in poseidon instead or artemis' dash, or keep the safety of athena and have her dash instead

this is also probably the only time you could grab artemis dash, still might be better to grab otherwise though

[rigid hollow]

so best Dash would still be athena then? poseidon second

[full valley]

poseidon first, athena second and artemis third

[rigid hollow]

[full valley]

👍

[vital night]

You don’t need either duo. Starting tdash and finding +dashes or hyper delivery from Hermes will be enough

[hollow harness]

I accidentally discovered my favorite build since I started playing yesterday. Poseidon on dash and Zeus on attack. All I have to do is dash strike. I got all the way to the boss for elyiseim

[plain river]

It is very greedy lol

You’re making it way harder to get everything than a simple heart rend focused build

Also I’d recommend swapping around arte strike and athena strike here if you’re trying for this

The extra additive damage is more useful than the crit chance, especially if you’re chasing deadly reversal

[rigid hollow]

[tight basin]

Nah Athena special is better bc then it can actually deflect things lmao

Athena atk doesn't deflect things too well

With special you're more likely to hit things on accident to proc deadly reversal

[vital night]

it's not bad tbh. basically divine dash

[indigo ember]

So the Aspect of Arthur transforms stygius into a great sword

?

Like big damage low speed?

[jolly chasm]

Low damage low speed sadly :(

[indigo ember]

damn

The special looks sick af

[indigo ember]

So how does the Gilgamesh fist work?

Like a hit them with the dash-upper and then I do more damage?

[potent tree]

And take more damage until Maim times out and deals a bit of damagen

[full valley]

maim affecting meg is so so good

[plain river]

If only Maim’s bonus was multiplicative

[full valley]

a man can dream

[plain river]

Or a man can learn Lua and make a mod for Hades

I should do that at somepoint

@indigo ember for hangover builds (and honestly most builds) it’s usually pretty solid to just keep your cards close to your chest and be picky about your boons

you don’t need a lot of boons for an effective build

and extra boons just make it less likely to get poms on the boons you want

so for a hangover build (where pomming hangover boons is really important to your dps)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1036434099537199185/IMG_2451.jpg?ex=6789a1f9&is=67885079&hm=fc7982fea5a57fec8ba9494d713851a75d759e033f4f957c40ddbbdff4e771c8&

Something like this can really help to rocket your damage up

[indigo ember]

oh god

so little boons

[potent tree]

Less quantity! More quality!

[indigo ember]

cute theme tho

[indigo ember]

How did you got a 9 minutes clear?

That's amazing tbh

[plain river]

…practice

[indigo ember]

Going to think about it in my next run :D

[plain river]

It’s only the ones that matter

You’ll also notice that a good chunk of my secondary boons are unpommable

Making my odds even better

[indigo ember]

how does that work?

Are not every boon pommable?

[plain river]

Yeah

Any hermes boon for example

or chaos

[indigo ember]

Oh

I understand

[plain river]

but also

regular gods have unpommable boons

You can never pom premium vintage or strong drink from dio

or the DD boons from athena

etc

some boons it just doesn’t make sense to pom

other boons it’d be way too strong if you could pom them

[indigo ember]

Ok

So rn im in a Gilgamesh run

What boons should I look for?

The same as Demeter Fists? Weak + Dio?

[plain river]

Fists have a few options

Uhh

Merciful End is really strong but inconsistent

Ares strike + Athena special + Athena dash

You need the special to unlock the boon, but the dash is what will be doing the work

Merciful End causes any enemies that are Doomed to get hit with the doom immediately if they get hit by a deflect boon

so when you dash strike you hit an enemy, give them doom, but the divine dash hits them and it causes the doom to fall immediately

[indigo ember]

Ok going to try that

You may see the results in #h1-victory-boasting

[plain river]

A third option is just throwing zeus on strike and aphrodite on special and either zeus or dionysus on call

those are the 3 good options for fists strikes in general

[mossy geode]

Hi I'm new here and playing this as fist too, what would be the third "best Call" (if you don't take hades sigil?)

[potent tree]

It's probably between Poseidon and Athena

[mossy geode]

isn't aphrodite strong with charm vs bosses?

[indigo ember]

Welp

things didnt go as planned

I ended up getting flood shot (may get rid of it later) and Demeter attack

[full valley]

amazing damage, but you only ever see it at the final phase at their full health

poseidons you can abuse the invulnerability and movment as well while keeping fair damage (can be paired with hunters mark too)

[potent tree]

Not particularly. It lasts just long enough to throw off your timing as the boss repeats what it was about to do before Charm. Poseidon (with Riptide) has some good crowd control in busier rooms at least and can do some damage against bosses, and Athena lets you get away with a lot of crap against bosses since you have brief invuln

[mossy geode]

ok noted

I just took aphrodite a lot lately because after taking her special and sweet surrender I usually don't know what to take (so I take the call if proposed)

[potent tree]

Makes sense. It's just that in Hades 1 damage is king by a long shot

Utility is more like pootility

[plain river]

Dio and Zeus for top tier for generic damage

Athena and Aphrodite have the show for defence

Hades has niche applications on Hera, Beo, and other cast builds where it’s better dps than zeus or dio

Poseidon is also really solid at damage, movement, a solid “get off me tool”

It’s hard to rank them cuz you have to look at the different things they offer

Ares and Arte are unfortunately just like bottom tier

[mossy geode]

yeah no need to rank them, this helps already

yeah not a fan of Ares and Arte

[indigo ember]

The only thing I picked from Arte is the call

It is a pretty good finisher for bosses

[plain river]

Ares is just discount poseidon and artemis… you can’t use her in normal rooms and you’re putting all your eggs in one basket during boss fights (which sucks when you accidentally hit a breakpoint and lose half your damage)

[plain river]

…that’s the problem

[mossy geode]

and also arte has so many other boons that you want usually that call isn't the priority imo

[plain river]

zeus and dionysus will both outdps an artemis call in any given boss fight, will lose way less value when you hit breakpoints (due to only taking 25% of the gauge), charge themselves back up way faster

You’ll nearly always get more minicalls out than an equivalent amount of charge of arte calls

[mossy geode]

also one question on Nemesis crit build. for the dash I read somewhere that Athena and Poseidon are good but isn't Arte better? seems to me that Athena and Poseidon will open duos that you don't really want/need on Nemesis. or am i missing something?

I usually try to go for Arte/Aphro/Zeus/Arte/Zeus or Dio (att/spe/cast/dash/call)

[rigid hollow]

do you mean here?

[mossy geode]

yes!

[rigid hollow]

whoops wrong ping

sorry lol

[indigo ember]

Hi

[rigid hollow]

i pinged you on accident my bad

[mossy geode]

my reasonning was that athena dash unlcoks parting shot, poseidon dash unlocks mirage shot and sweet nectar (nectar probably ok but comes too late imo) so I don't really like those dash on Nemesis Crit

[rigid hollow]

i think nem is more of an attack soup build, so the duos aside from maybe Heart Rend aren't too big a game changer?

[mossy geode]

yeah but that's still more boons in the pool so less chance to get the thing you really want no? (like Heart Rend, hunter's mark, smoldering air if Zeus somewhere etc)

[rigid hollow]

true ye

almost as if you don't really need to care about them too much, cuz you mostly need 1) tidal/divine/artemis dash, 2) a high modifier for your attack

now i'm thinking about it, the nerdy math formula for nem would be:
[(0.3 + crit chance from 🟢)×3 + (0.7 - crit chance from 🟢)×1] × attack modifier
0.3 is nem crit, 🟢 is artemis added crit
and attack modifier

so for more consistent damage, it's best to do attack ye

[mossy geode]

I usually go Arte Attack Aphro Special but I'll try the other way around too

applying weak with special felt more natural for some reason

[rigid hollow]

gamer mind
attack is crit, special is effect

[mossy geode]

yep

I'm in a middle of a 20heat run with Achilles, I took Serrated Point and then by mistake I took Poseidon special. I keep pushing mobs far away and my dash is short ^^

[plain river]

Poseidon and Athena tear up styx in a way hunter dash could never

Hunter dash, poseidon, and divine dash are all good options for nem crit builds

[rigid hollow]

i'm so miffed about pdash though i can never get my hands to get used to the push

[plain river]

Just choose whichever one floats your boat (or whichever one comes your way)

Passion dash

[rigid hollow]

whoops

poseidon dash

tdash

[plain river]

Aphrodite is just better off because every hit that doesn’t crit won’t hit like a wet noodle, every crit hits way harder, and the sheer fact that hunters mark exists kinda means nem’s innate crit chance is good enough

[rigid hollow]

but funi crit number

[plain river]

…funny crit number bigger because aphrodite

and funny crit frequency is handled by the fact that 30% -> 45% isn’t really big enough, especially when double edge doubles the frequency of your crits and hunters mark fixes any remaining issues

[mossy geode]

when you go aphrodite att artemis spe, does heart rend still work on the first dash strike?

that was my concern

[rigid hollow]

ye

iirc it applies to all crit effects

[mossy geode]

but it improves crit dmg on weak foes no?

on your first dash strike the mob isn't weak yet no?

that's why I thought you go special aphro to apply weak and then dash strike into it

not sure if that's clear, sorry I'm french english isn't my mother tongue

[rigid hollow]

yeah that's why you dash-strike twice

[mossy geode]

so heart rend works only on the second dash strike

the first one applies weak, second one you have heart rend activated

[rigid hollow]

starting from the 2nd

[full valley]

i wouldn't even worry, if it whiffs, its still the first strike, and heart rend wouldnt have affected it that much

it should still work but even if it doesn't it wouldn't affect much if at all

[rigid hollow]

and there's also the fact that you have a 30% crit, meaning there's a 70% noncrit

[mossy geode]

sure

[full valley]

i dont notice it despite playing 4 days straight of nem 32 if its any consolation LOL

[mossy geode]

good to know ^^

I'll give it a try

I'm still doing 1-20 heats for the blood heart to max all aspect and then I'll join the 32 heat party

I think 2 more aspect to max and I'm in

[full valley]

hell yeah

[mossy geode]

no reason do to any 21-31 heat correct (except training I guess)?

[plain river]

yeah

[indigo ember]

Hades got me

[rigid hollow]

[indigo ember]

Tho the build worked fine

I was sloppy with the movement

[mossy geode]

one more question, does attack buff from Chaos also increases Dash-strike damage?

[plain river]

Yes

95% of strike buffs also apply to dash strike buffs

The niche is like some specific hammers

[mossy geode]

ok thanks

[plain river]

These hammers tend to be ones that fundementally change how the basic strike works (like world splitter) or just… don’t because the devs said no (cursed slash and shadow slash)

(And “the devs said no” is usually because it’d be stupid otherwise: see shadow slash on a crit nem build)

[mossy geode]

i see

[mossy geode]

on the Achilles Speedrun guide, there is a ranking of the cast. Ares is at the top. Is it still true when you have Zeus attack and not Artemis attack? Or do you want Artemis/Ares attack/cast and Zeus/Athena for example?

[tight basin]

Hunting blades is just a lot stronger than lightning phalanx so it kinda doesn't matter too much for your attack

Your main focus is the cast rather than the attack boon

You kinda don't care btwn Zeus vs Artemis on the attack

Oh wait I get your question now lmao

If you happen to get Zeus attack first then yeah you'd go for Athena cast

The tier list is kinda for situations of "Athena vs ares" for doors in Tartarus

It's kinda like ares/Artemis > Zeus/Athena > Dionysus

Actually hold on lmao

ares/Artemis > Zeus/Athena > Poseidon (breaking wave/shoals/typhoons fury) > Dionysus

Aphrodite cast is a bit sus but like doable, her attack is still fine if you happen to get it
Dem you'd only take if you have Dionysus cast already

And you wouldn't want to take Dem cast if you're speedrunning lol

[proud vortex]

Lowkeyyy Thinking about running aspect of Hera

I need a build for it i'm fairly new to the game

[rigid hollow]

you can try Poseidon or Aphrodite's cast as a start, and go from there
keep pomming it aggressively and look for anything that ups your casts' power like chaos +1/cast dmg or Mirage Shot

[vital night]

sub 7 is pretty attainable by most people with build knowledge and a little practice

[tawny monolith]

is merciful end on gauntlets the hardest build in videogame history?

[vital night]

hardest in what sense

goes pretty hard when you get everything yeah

also hard to get, but not super hard to play

[plain river]

It’s probably the least consistent build focused around a single duo since you need 3 specific cores and the duo but

otherwise once you have the build it should be… insanely easy to play

dash striking

[mossy geode]

@tight basin thanks for all the answers!

[mossy geode]

yeah I'm not really speedrunning but got my first sub 10 last night with Demeter 🙂

[wheat tiger]

So if let's say hypothetically that I took Beaowulf's shield and took Poseidon's cast
Now suppose that I also had to take Ares because he just appeared in the middle of the road
Now continuing the hypothetical I took curse of drowning because i was curious as to what it would do
Did I do an good or did I do an bad because I'm not entirely sure of what this does and if I bungled it

My god this was a terrible idea

[full valley]

in this entirely hypothetical situation, it would have been a bad idea

thank goodness you didn't add ares into your pool though

[wheat tiger]

Well with that run done I think I can reveal that the suspicious hypothetical was not, in fact, a hypothetical but a run

A run that had a lot of stars align and that would've been beastly if not for having curse of drowning for most of Asphodel and all of Elysium

At least I had plenty of fun on Styx and against Hades

I did a goof and took the Poseidon keepsake instead of the rose and so I ended up picking up Flood Flare
But it ended up working out because I got some Zeus boons in Tartarus, including sea storm

So I had tempest strike, flood shot and razor shoals
All with sea storm
And then thunder dash, double strike and static discharge

[wheat tiger]

I had to take Ares, I was running fated persuasion
I didn't even get urge to kill outta him

At least I got plenty of money once I sold curse of drowning at the entrance of Styx
Gave me enough money to get rush delivery
Paid 500 of Charon's most oblongs