h1-builds-and-combat

[rose nexus]

Flurry Jab locks you out of hammers that affect the spin charge attack for example

And vice versa

So if you wanted flurry jab but didn’t get it from your first hammer you would want to make sure not to take a spin hammer, so you still have a chance of getting it from the second hammer

[iron moss]

I see alright

Also uh which mirror thing is better between the cast ones. One boosts damage against enemies with a cast in them and the other like slows them down etc etc

[lime lodge]

i think almost everyone takes boiling blood

[rose nexus]

Boiling blood definitely

[iron moss]

Aight

[vital night]

false side takes abyssal because eris doesn't really have base damage

[tight basin]

5 extra damage per bullet goes kinda hard

Basically a lightning strike pom!

[spare osprey]

With which god should i start building arthur stygian?

For the other aspects i’ve found that ares works well for early damage but i’m not sure how arthur works with it

[lucid oar]

Big % attack

Aphro and Athena work well

[vital night]

Infernal is better on Arthur

Probably Zeus cast and look for arty on attack and lightning rod

[jolly chasm]

I'm def not an expert but on Arthur, the three main gods are Zeus, Arty, and Poseidon. For Zeus, Zeus call is one the strongest boons in the game so look out for that, and if you are on Infernal Soul and have Arty attack (best attack on Arthur) you can get ROD(Arty and Zeus duo). Other ideas on Arthur include Epic Demeter attack into Ice Wine(Dio cast into Demeter and Dio Duo), Athena cast into LP, and Aphro attack of rare or higher I would take even if Arty is in the god pool and then go for Smoldering Air duo With Zeus call (Zeus and Aphro duo). For Poseidon, Tdash, Razor Shoals, and Breaking Wave are the way to go for Arthur (and almost every other aspect in the game lmao).

[spare osprey]

Ok arthur is becoming my favorite sword aspect

[iron moss]

What aspects are good if I don’t have much blood. I was thinking nemesis or Achilles but idk

[tight basin]

yeah those are solid at low blood

zeus shield is good

eris

hera kinda

zag bow is cheap and good

demeter fists kinda

[spare osprey]

I found zeus to be very good even at level 1

[iron moss]

Aight

Lowkey stickybot gonna make me crash out

[rose nexus]

Eris is goated at low blood

Achilles also

[spare osprey]

Aphro seems good on lucifer as you are dealing a lot of damage over time, but should i swap her for something like dio or demeter?

[tight basin]

Zeus attack is best

You'd rather want the aoe for static discharge

And to proc your bombs easier

[spare osprey]

Wouldn’t the aoe be covered by the exclusive triple beam hammer?

[jolly chasm]

The AoE for Jolted is the more important part

[iron moss]

Is the 1 regeneratable cast better or just the 3 casts

[rose nexus]

Depends

Casual play 3 casts is fine in case you miss a boss with it etc

And cast launchers like beo and Hera want the 3 casts

As do cast boosters like achilles and Poseidon sword

Stygian (regenerating cast) can be good with the casts that don’t drop immediately like ares Dionysus and demeter, but in those cases you really want an extra bloodstone from chaos also

[iron moss]

Aight

For Achilles spear how would you make a good cast build

[spare osprey]

Is mort the best companion in the game? Because it feels like it

[jolly chasm]

Nope

Meg is

[spare osprey]

Oh i don’t have it yet

[tight basin]

builds with ares cast still takes infernal btw lol

it stays up for 4 secs which is like fine

and it still does damage while it's out so it's not a big deal either

[tight basin]

ares cast -> hunting blades
athena cast -> lightning phalanx

check your codex for whatever prereqs you need to open the duo

ideally it'd be artemis atk for hunting blades or zeus atk for lightning phalanx

but doesn't really matter since you'd just rather have the duo open

[plain river]

Nem, achilles, zeus, hera, demeter and {eris ≈ zag} all work pretty well at low levels

to grab one aspect for each weapon that isn’t a hidden aspect

[plain river]

If you’re using her on special, swapping to dio or dem is just damage loss. If you’re using her on attack… just use zeus

[iron moss]

Family favorite max is like 25% usually right

[plain river]

actually a higher rarity demeter special might do more than a low rarity low pom aphrodite

[iron moss]

Cuz Hermes +4 other gods

[plain river]

so the exchange might be damage gain but that’d be case dependent

[vital night]

can get 30 with another god forced but yeah usually 25%

[plain river]

If you really went crazy you could get 45% but you’d be sacrificing a lot for it

[iron moss]

Best aspect to upgrade to level? Out of nemesis, Zeus, Chiron, and Achilles

[plain river]

Chiron scales the hardest off levels of those but it’s also the weakest at max level of those

I’d say Achilles > Nemesis > Zeus > Chiron for levelling

[iron moss]

Aight

[spare osprey]

I mean zeus is already very strong at level 1 so it wouldn’t be that much of a priority

[vital night]

Meh

You’re pretty dependent on jolted and crits if you don’t have the base 30 damage to play around with

[iron moss]

Any tips for Theseus? I can beat asterius pretty consistently leaving me at like half health but then Theseus is annoying asf and sometimes pops my death defiance

[proper furnace]

#h1-for-new-players message

The theseus part is a bit below that msg

[iron moss]

Tysm!

[fair notch]

does anybody have any builds for guan yu? it just kinda seems like trash to me

and excalibur too

[plain river]

Special focused builds make Guan-Yu so much better

like

you have to be both insane and also playing at absurd heat for spin based builds to make sense using

[fair notch]

oh ok so like... the entire bonus it gives is useless?

[plain river]

Wdym

[fair notch]

the entire bonus is that the spin heals you

[plain river]

That’s only a fraction of what guan-yu changes

But that is the least valuable part of what Guan-Yu does tbh

[fair notch]

yeah it also f's up dash strikes

[plain river]

it makes the weapon heavier overall, so it’s just different

Those dash strikes hit hard

you can throw serrated edge on there in a pinch to get massive damage

[potent tree]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[plain river]

I’d recommend reading that

Nyaa-nyaa puts it a lot better than I can

[tight basin]

I'm pretty sure the dash strikes on it are fine, the normal combo is bad tho

[fair notch]

yeah but it seems to just want to normal combo out of the second dash strike

so i get like 1 dash strike and then a dash and attack separately but at the same time

[tight basin]

Weird

Might be input error then idk

[fair notch]

yeah maybe i was hitting attack too fast

[potent tree]

Jolly Swinub +Speed -Special Attack

[fair notch]

jolly doesn't +attack

[potent tree]

Oh wait you're right. Natures only affect two stats oops

[fair notch]

you're just thinking that because jolly is for physical attackers

[potent tree]

Yeah. I blended Jolly and Adamant in my head

[serene wind]

Question about Skelly's Last Lamentations: Can I quickly jump to a 16 heat run immediately even if I still have yet to earn rewards for a 10 heat run? Will it count, or do I have to complete each heat sequentially?

[proper furnace]

You can jump

[serene wind]

Thanks

[manic dragon]

hey guys which deals more damage? Heart rend or Merciful end?

[jolly chasm]

Full ME deals more damage

[manic dragon]

full as in ?

dash and special athena?

for stygian sword btw

[jolly chasm]

Plus Epic doom and Impending

[manic dragon]

so heart rend with sweet surrender and crits doesnt do as much damage?

wow

[jolly chasm]

ME kinda strong

[vital night]

Heart rend usually isn’t the core of a sword build

[manic dragon]

damn thats nuts.. imma use it.. tryin to clear 40 heat

[vital night]

It’s nice but you’ll usually have some Poseidon and Zeus in there

Athena attack start is probably the best way to go for high heat sword

[manic dragon]

ok thanks

priviledge for M.E? or Fam Fav?

[iron moss]

Do you plan to have 2 effects?

One would be ur doom effect

[manic dragon]

Idk just wondering what's most optimal

[jolly chasm]

Fam Fav

[manic dragon]

I guess exposed would work with ares

[vital night]

Ff is important for hitting tart breakpoints

[tight basin]

priv status is almost never optimal bc needing to get 2 curses is a pain in the ass for a lot of builds

the good/meta builds typically dont use gods that naturally give curses without a secondary boon

[manic dragon]

i see .. thanks

[manic dragon]

For heart rend is it better to use Artemis attack or Aphrodite attack?

[proper furnace]

What weapon are you doing

If its zag bow/nemesis that have built in crit you def can do aphro atk

The gist is that you put arty in your main dmg dealer

If you do chiron heart rend you want arty special for example

[manic dragon]

Stygian blade

[proper furnace]

Default sword?

[manic dragon]

Nemesis

Aspect

[proper furnace]

Aight yeah just do it on vibes then

Can start aphro and if it's epic attack take it (rare also works)

If it's common take aphro's special instead and just look out for arty

[manic dragon]

thanks

[proper furnace]

Just lower the heat

For chaos your best bet is keeping Poseidon's keepsake on and aim for huge catch

Check charon wells gor light of ixion

[potent tree]

Skeletal Lure too!

[proper furnace]

^ in the off chance they are together

Then you need the next room to not have water

That's just bad luck

There's no correlation between heat and fishing

Yeah

Unlucky

Chaos has the lowest % to spawn fish iirc

What I don't remember is if fishing cooldown applies to chaos (as in, seeing fish in the biome then going to chaos prevents chaos fish from spawning)

[proper furnace]

I think the wiki's info about fishing is correct?

So you can double check there

[plain river]

Uncommon occurence

[proper furnace]

So true

[rose nexus]

I had a sneaking suspicion Greece had a lower cooldown

Asphodel having such a low chance is wild considering it’s such a short biome

[iron moss]

For hera bow is it better to load all your casts into one shot or separately

[rose nexus]

Usually single for small stuff

All for bosses

If you have ravenous will you definitely want to load all at once for bosses

[tight basin]

you only load as many casts as you need to kill the enemy

which is vague as hell

so you kinda just have to figure that out midrun lmao

[rose nexus]

If you have flurry shot you can load one at a time while holding attack

[plain river]

1-2 unless you know you need more

[manic dragon]

good night all.. does fiery presence work on a target with armor then that same target without armor?

[jolly chasm]

no

[manic dragon]

so only the armor then?

wow

thats cheeks

[rose nexus]

Still good

[manic dragon]

when the armor go off their still at full health correct? no matter how many damage?

[rose nexus]

Right

[manic dragon]

Does Boiling blood stack with each cast stuck in a foe? So with it be 30 percent if 3 cast stuck?

[worn solar]

Nope, same effect whatever amount stuck

[manic dragon]

Wow thanks .. I was wondering what is the point of stygian soul but now make sense

[modern glade]

What boons are for zeus shield

[iron moss]

Zeus boons are nice

Then I like to throw in some Artemis

[modern glade]

So which gods are for the cores? Or is it up to me

[iron moss]

Honestly as you as you have Zeus special you can do whatever

[modern glade]

Alright thanks

[vital night]

Zeus Athena Artemis ares dio all have pretty good accessory stuff to offer

Hydraulic might is nice

Only god I’d probably avoid is Demeter

[modern glade]

Sooo the build is kinda open, means you can choose whichever boons you want

[iron moss]

Pretty much

[vital night]

Yes

As long as you have explosive return for crowd control, you can kinda put on whatever you want

Zeus/epic aphro on special

[primal brook]

BRUH, avoiding Demeter over Poseidon?

[vital night]

Hydraulic might is ok, and I wouldn’t mind Poseidon call

Idk Demeter just doesn’t seem to do good things in my pool

[primal brook]

I'd say that having demeter call/ravenous will are pretty big buffs. She's not great but doesn't actively hurt your gameplay with the exception of timing the chill effects.

[vital night]

Yeah chill messes me up

I’m a big rhythm person

[iron moss]

Demeter is cool

[rose nexus]

All my homies hate my grandma

[tawny owl]

which god should be the 3rd god i look for in a merciful end build? assuming i already got what i need for a good merciful end build

[rose nexus]

Artemis for pressure points

[vital night]

zeus or artemis

assuming you already have +dashes from hermes or hyperdelivery

[vital hinge]

Any strong aegis builds that don't use beowulf? I unlocked aspects recently and have 7 titan blood

[iron moss]

Zeus Sheild is nice

With lighting flourish and then you can do whatever you want with the build pretty much

Throw some artremis on there as well

[vital hinge]

Like crit stuff?

[iron moss]

Yeah pressure points and stuff

[vital hinge]

Any specific hammers?

[iron moss]

Errrr idk

It’s good without hammers but I’m sure there’s some ones that synergize well

[vital hinge]

ok thx

[vital hinge]

Would charged/dread flight be best for example?

[jolly chasm]

No

Explosive return is the best hammer

[proper furnace]

You can't even get dread on zeus

[jolly chasm]

Charged flight also doesn't work how you think it would

[tight basin]

You can't get charged flight on Zeus anyways

You only get like

Empowered flight or whatever it's called

And ofc explosive return

For special hammers at least

[iron moss]

Anyone got a Eris build

I’ve lowkey been sleeping on the gun

So I thought I would unlock eris and give it a go

[tight basin]

Lightning strike and static discharge

Get tidal dash

Aphrodite/Artemis special

Any % besides Poseidon basically

[rose nexus]

Simply get clockets

[tight basin]

That too

[tough sundial]

That seems like most build

[tight basin]

Tidal dash is pretty common

[iron moss]

Gameplay loop is special then spam pew pew then repeat fight?

[tight basin]

% vs flat damage depends on the aspect tho

[iron moss]

What’s that

[tight basin]

Cluster bomb and rocket bomb

[rose nexus]

Cluster bomb and rocket bomb

[iron moss]

Ok ok

So Zeus keepsake, get Zeus attack. Hope for Poseidon and arty

[rose nexus]

You get 5 rockets that don’t get the damage penalty of cluster bomb

Because this game has no bugs

[tight basin]

True

[iron moss]

I like bugs

[tight basin]

Pretty much

[iron moss]

Ants are my fav

[tight basin]

Unfortunately there are no bugs in this game

However there are vermin!

[iron moss]

Thanatos butterfly, pink butterfly ball

😡

[tight basin]

The butterflies are actually souls lol

[jolly chasm]

Beowulf

[tight basin]

That's a spaghetti plate

[jolly chasm]

Need I say more about bugs

[iron moss]

Still butterflies

[tight basin]

Beowulf doesn't exist

[iron moss]

💀

Hazard bomb, flurry fire or seeking fire

First hammer

[jolly chasm]

Flurry or Hazard but all of those suck

[tight basin]

Isn't this eris

Don't take hazard on eris lmfao

[iron moss]

Yuh

[iron moss]

Seeking fire, targeting system or triple bomb

[lucid oar]

Targetting

[tight basin]

Targeting prob yeah

[lucid oar]

But also you don’t have to ask us for every good decision

[tight basin]

Triple isn't bad either tho

[iron moss]

Idk anything about hammers bruh

[tight basin]

Triple is fun

[lucid oar]

Part of the game is figuring out what’s good

[iron moss]

I can do other stuff tho

[tight basin]

Exploring stuff yourself is part of the fun imo

[iron moss]

Lmfao my luck is wild asf. I got mirage shot, lighting rod and lighting phalanx so time to turn this into a cast build

[tight basin]

Your cast also gets the boost from eris special btw

So make sure you still do that lmao

[iron moss]

Yeah I had to double check that before I decided on spamming cast

[vital hinge]

Which pet/companion should I aim to unlock first?

[potent tree]

Battie from vocal fry lady (Meg)

[red falcon]

I just got aspect of Demeter

I will try to use merciful end

[spare osprey]

What god should i start with for rama bow?

[gusty wasp]

Zeus or Dio special

If you want attack uhhh Artemis? Aphro?

[proper furnace]

You wanna start aphro yeah

[primal brook]

If you're playing for speed I'd start with Zeus special, if you're doing a medium amount of heat I'd start artemis (either dash or attack) or zeus special and if you're doing a high amount of heat I'd start with aphrodite attack.
Otherwise for casual stuff I found ares/dio to be fun special boons.

[vital night]

I think without rarity guarantee, arty attack is probably best

[sweet scaffold]

Y'all I'm running the aspect of eris with cluster bomb, so what gods would you recommend for the special? And what other upgrades would go with my setup?

[proper furnace]

Arty special ideally, rocket bomb 2nd hammer hopefully

[sweet scaffold]

I currently have Dionysus special

I GOT IT

[proper furnace]

Got rocket?

Idk what biome you are in or what others you have but ideally you can sell dio's special for arty/aphro/dem/athena

[sweet scaffold]

Yes

I've beaten the king and the bull

Temple of Styx now

[sweet scaffold]

Zeus and Athena and Poseidon

I have Posiden's dash and cast, Athena's call, and Zeus's attack

I can't replace it

But it's not bad

It is only level one and common rarity

But I have numbing sensation

Level 3 and epic

[rose nexus]

Dio Rockets lol

[iron moss]

If I use Achilles with Demeter casts would it make the first 4 casts I use all do extra damage till they expire or would it be like first 4 damage ticks from casts

[proper furnace]

First 4 casts

[rose nexus]

This is part of why glacial glare is the best way to scale dem cast

[iron moss]

Ya I was getting that for the prophecy and it was so much fun using dem cast

[modern nacelle]

can someone explain hestia rail to me? i have it at lv 3 (100dmg empowered shot) and i get terribly slow clear times on it.

[tawny owl]

I think it's mostly getting used to the timing and getting other options for low hp mass clear, since hestia is just mostly single target burst

[potent tree]

Should get level 5 Hestia ASAP for 50% more power. Then it's mostly just Empowered Shot into Reload into Dash x2. Can sub in a Special here or there for a Dash as needed.

Ricochet or Piercing Shot or Rocket Bomb + Cluster Bomb for hammers!

[modern nacelle]

thanks y'all (:

[vital night]

Can also start tidal dash and figure out the build as you go

Scales well with chaos

[modern nacelle]

i've heard you can never go wrong starting a build with tidal dash, why is that? high flat damage?

[tight basin]

yeah pretty much

tidal dash just does a lot of damage in a large aoe

some aspects can't really start tidal dash, mainly like rail and fists

but the others can

to an extent at least

some would rather start something else but tidal dash could work on it

[vital night]

Very good damage off the bat that will one shot a lot of stuff in tart

Scales really well with poms and global damage boosts

Rupture and breaking wave are very strong too

[modern nacelle]

i struggle with tidal dash on melee weapons bc sometimes i shove them out of reach unintentionally lol

[vital night]

Happens

[modern nacelle]

i've been meaning to try and speed run the game since i've just maxed out all my keepsakes (not the companion keepsakes quite yet, just meg's) , but i can't seem to clear under 15 min. My fastest clear was with hera bow at... 11 mins?

[vital night]

Pretty good

[tight basin]

have you seen sleepsoul's speedrunning guide

[modern nacelle]

if i can manage sub 10 i'll be happy lol, i'm just glad most of the grind is over. main goal now is just maxing out the companion keepsakes

[modern nacelle]

i have not!

[tight basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI&pp=ygUZc2xlZXBzb3VsIHNwZWVkcnVuIGd1aWRlZA%3D%3D

[modern nacelle]

thank you for linking it (:

[tight basin]

the video itself should help you get to sub10 if you haven't already been following the guide

[solar light]

If I deplete Lucky Tooth during the first level, does the effect come back at the second level after Meg? Or should I pick another keepsake?

[proper furnace]

Swap

[tight basin]

the effect only comes back if you level up the keepsake after you've used it lmao

[past cairn]

Thanks for posting this, good vid overall.

I'm curious about the "enemies usually spawn onscreen" advice though. I've heard that before, and tried to make use of it - seems like it never actually works! I kill a bunch of enemies near the door, then have to travel to the far opposite end of teh room to hunt down one or two that spawned as far away as possible. Is there some other way to manipulate this within a run that I'm not getting?

[tight basin]

They might've spawned when you were working your way over to the end of the room

They prob started spawning but you were dashing away so they just spawned there

Or you got to the end of the room in the middle of a wave that had trickle spawn so the spawnings kinda just followed you and you missed some

[rose nexus]

That’s the unfortunate thing about spawn manip

[hollow kindle]

Man after trying serveral cast builds I dont want to play with attack or special anymore

Curse of drowning, blizzard shot, mirage shot and parting shot just delete bosses

[plain river]

Uh

Curse of drowning and blizzard shot are legitimately so bleh

If that’s your standard for melting bosses

Mirage shot is a valid boss melter if used on beo but otherwise it’s like just a slight boost to whatever cast you’re always using, not really a clincher that you would attribute the bulk of your damage to

Like it sounds like there are a ton of attack, special and cast builds you could be introduced to still I wouldn’t write anything off

[hollow kindle]

Yes sir thats my standard

[plain river]

🫡

They’re definitely boons in the game

[tight basin]

CoD actually does delete bosses, it's just awkward to use majority of the time

it's 3x damage of flood shot

it's legitimately insane damage but super hard to actually use properly if you aren't on like fists

or doing ME in general

[rose nexus]

I do enjoy cod

On fists mainly

[modern nacelle]

what weapons aside from aspect of charon bow does dionysus work well on? i don't use his boons frequently, i can't think of what other weapon he'd work well on

just trying to mix up my gameplay to keep it fresh tbh

[proper furnace]

Eris/fists

His call is great

There's trippy flare beowulf if you want an rng based nuke

Ice wine achilles for a more standard cast build

[modern nacelle]

i'll have to try them!

[rose nexus]

Ice wine is fun

Hera with Stygian soul and trippy shot can be decent

[tight basin]

that's just worse trippy beo lmao

[rose nexus]

Which still passes the decent threshold!

[tight basin]

lmao fair i guess

[hollow kindle]

I fcking hate cast

The thingies just for the love of god drift to the furthest magma possible

[celest cosmos]

Am i supposed to use insanely meta builds or what am i supposed to do about enemies just becoming juggernauts in the later stages?

Like they are SO tanky

I have a hard time not just feeling like higher heat just inflates enemies to an unfunny level

[hollow kindle]

And Elysium there are some Narnia spots that its not even possible to grab the bloodstone once theyre drifted there

[rose nexus]

Yup

[hollow kindle]

My bro i need clarification on ya name

[rose nexus]

There’s nothing to clarify

[sweet scaffold]

Any great builds I could supposedly use on Achilles spear?

[iron moss]

Any cast is fun imo

You could go for hunting blades

[sweet scaffold]

Ooh Ares is interesting

[iron moss]

Demeter cast is also nice

[sweet scaffold]

Hmmm are there any daedalus upgrades that are most so important

[jolly chasm]

Flurry jab

[devout prism]

I am now working on a boonless run on max rank extreme measures. It was going pretty well, but I chose the wrong Daedalus hammers and it screwed everything up, so I am going to re-attempt in the morning.

[tight basin]

what hammers did you take lmao

[devout prism]

The one that makes your power shot stronger and the one that deals more damage at a long distance. Not really the bow build that I prefer. It was working perfectly fine, I was in Elysium, but it was more tedious than I would have liked.

[tight basin]

ah sniper shot unfortunate

yeah elysium has a lot of hp to burn through lmao

i would recommend hestia

it's the best aspect for boonless runs since you have a base 150 empowered shot

[devout prism]

I like doing rapid fire with the zag aspect of the bow

Chain shot isn't bad either

[tight basin]

chain shot is a lot better than sniper lmao

sniper is prob one of the worst ones bc of the effective range

basically a dead hammer, esp in elysium

[devout prism]

I actually kind of turned the bow into a shotgun at one point

I had gotten a boon from chaos and then a specific hammer that boosted the special damage and I was just ripping chunks out of enemy health with it.

[sweet scaffold]

I've decided to do an actual build with the bow, using the aspect of hera. Now what gods would be really really good with hera?

[jolly chasm]

Aphro cast

[sweet scaffold]

Oh darn I don't have her keepsake yet

[rose nexus]

Definitely should prioritize getting all of the Olympian keepsakes asap

[sweet scaffold]

I just keep forgetting

[rose nexus]

Understandable

I run into that issue whenever I start a new save bc I’m so muscle memory into picking up boons the second the room ends

[tight basin]

real

in h2 ||i was missing a keepsake for so long bc i swore i gave everyone nectar already but i obv missed one lmfao||

and i kept picking up boons instead of checking

or gifting

[rose nexus]

H2 spoiler 😔

You revealed that it is also a video game

And it contains keepsakes and nectar

I can’t believe you’ve done this

[iron moss]

Lowkey now my h2 experience is ruining cuz of ur spoiler

[tight basin]

ngl i thought that was just common knowledge of h2 considering it's a game series lmao i'll spoiler that

[rose nexus]

🤣 I was just playing

[sweet scaffold]

Nemesis builds?

It's all about crit ain't it

So like a lot of Artemis

And that one Daedalus upgrade that boosts the crit chance of dash atk

[plain river]

That hammer

Doesn’t affect the dash strike

it only affects the standing strike combo, and so it ain’t good

[plain river]

Aphrodite strike + artemis special -> heart rend, and look for hunters mark from artemis

ez

pz

[sweet scaffold]

So are there really any Daedalus that I need?

[plain river]

Give me 2 seconds

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/IMG_3411.png?ex=67390973&is=6737b7f3&hm=940a67234448c516382f5506411b19f9b503f05dd09032b675c3c5c495cfdef2&

Double edge doubling dstrike damage is pretty straight forward

Piercing wave is good free damage, and breaching slash helps a bunch with armour

[tight basin]

yeah cruel thrust is like good on paper

if the thrust counted towards the dash strike it'd be really good

prob best hammer since dedge only gives 140% basically

[iron moss]

Wait is world splitter that bad. I find it fun to do big crit crit on nemesis

[tight basin]

standard sword play is special -> 2x dash strikes -> repeat

you're not really doing standing strikes

so like if you accidentally slip one into your combo, you dont want to be in the long animation of world splitter

[jolly chasm]

I haven’t seen this in a minute

[tight basin]

there's like a niche ish sorta thing for world splitter for heat

since it is big damage so it's not like the worst thing in the world

but you really gotta lean into it

and can be kinda awkward

[sweet scaffold]

Now I need aphro's attack

[plain river]

It’s like

Ok

For optimal speedrunning sword gameplay it’s just a downside

[iron moss]

I c I c

[plain river]

If you go out of your way to opay around it can be ok but

[sweet scaffold]

But I don't have her keepsake

[plain river]

[sweet scaffold]

Still hasn't appeared

Already in Elysium

[plain river]

?

[sweet scaffold]

No aphro yet

[plain river]

You can always just take a different god’s strike lol

[vital night]

athena or artemis both good

ares tbh

[plain river]

Do you have 4 gods already?

[sweet scaffold]

Dionysus and Artemis and Poseidon

[vital night]

just find dio or arty

[plain river]

artemis strike works just fine just take something with a +%

aphro is the ideal case

but running no strike all the way to elysium is just pain

[sweet scaffold]

Guess dio

Gave me Athena

[plain river]

Athena’s also a rlly good option for crit

deadly reversal is cool

nearly as good as aphrodite’s damage

[tough sundial]

Ima do a Roma crit build in awhile

[plain river]

Rama crit is… interesting for sure

[tough sundial]

Roma attack with aphro special and the artmis duo

[plain river]

The frequency and base damage combined mean you’re either way underdamaging enemies most of the time or occassionally overkillingnthdm

[tough sundial]

Roma crit can get silly tho I had a 300 base damage

Aphro and arti duo and clean kill is +180% crit damage

[plain river]

Aka 480% crit dmg

[tough sundial]

Yeah

Which seems crazy

[plain river]

The only issue

[tough sundial]

Is luck

[plain river]

is 85% of your strikes are doo doo

you need chaos or rush delivery more than ever

[tough sundial]

Rush delivery? Hermes

[plain river]

Yeah

One of the best damage boosting boons in the game

[tough sundial]

K I’ll try it cuz it think it be funny damage

[tight basin]

it'll be funny damage 15% of the time lmao

[plain river]

Bleh 85%

[tough sundial]

Idc funny damage is funny damage

[proper furnace]

Just change your crit values

[tight basin]

REAL

https://youtu.be/n32qYIzr4C0

just always crit

[tough sundial]

Roma has good base damage

[tight basin]

and skip boss phases

[tough sundial]

?

[proper furnace]

Shared suffering can skip the impervious bubbles from bosses

[tough sundial]

Oooo

I haven’t played Roma much

[proper furnace]

There's a bit * tho

It needs to be shared suffering alone that does enough dmg for thag

[tough sundial]

Yeah

[proper furnace]

So most runs aren't getting that much

[tough sundial]

I also need to get more tb I don’t have much

[proper furnace]

Beautiful

[tough sundial]

I played for like an hour or two today and only beat 4-5 runs

[sweet scaffold]

UFHDJSISIEI THAT WAS SO CLOSE

Honestly it wasn't bad, but with aphro and better boons, it probably would've done even better

Next I think I'll try doing Chiron again

I have an idea of going with support fire and getting stuff like relentless volley and the other Daedalus

[jolly chasm]

Support Fire doesn’t work like that iirc

[sweet scaffold]

Really?

[plain river]

Support fire has the same internal cooldown as zeus lightning iirc

0.2s

[sweet scaffold]

But the rest do work?

Like the volley upgrades

[potent tree]

Yeah. Relentless + Concentrated Vollies on Chiron with a +% boon is pretty okay. It just takes forever to build

[plain river]

concentrated volley and relentless volley do combo together

[sweet scaffold]

Hmmmmmmm

[rose nexus]

Conc relentless with epic swift flourish from Hermes

Gets nutty

But that’s 1 more hammer than any other busted combo

[plain river]

It’s also one more epic hermes boon than any other one

[sweet scaffold]

I only got relentless

But it was really good despite not having a few boons and upgrades

[oak falcon]

does anybody know if the ares boon that causes your blade rifts to suck enemies in applies to his call?

[vital night]

probably applies yeah

[oak falcon]

alr thx

[spark kite]

Yes it does, I've played that build before xD

[oak falcon]

oh cool, thx

[spark kite]

Is Merciful End viable for speed on Demeter Fists? Or should I always go with Lightning Strikes?

[plain river]

Merciful End is optimal for speed on fists

regardless of aspect

[spark kite]

oh shoot

Well, let's see by how much I can improve my PB if I switch to ME now then '^^

[plain river]

Merciful End is like… very rng reliant, but when it comes together you’ll see lol

I can’t think of any other build that needs more to line up aside from meme beams and meme beams just isn’t great even when everything lines up

[spark kite]

My Spear PB is Hunting Blades

That takes more to line up iirc

[plain river]

sounds about right

Hunting Blades needs like… artemis strike, ares cast, and hunting blades

boom you’ve got it operational

[spark kite]

Okay yeah no I had more than that.

Splash Dash, Mirage Shot

[plain river]

Merciful End needs curse of agony, divine flourish, divine dash, merciful end, and might as well need impending doom for it’s damage

[spark kite]

But I see what you're saying

[plain river]

Those r bonuses

[proper furnace]

Don't forget the purple doom

[plain river]

Mfw when doom varies by a massive of dps depending on whether or not you actually get a good rarity

But for general use you can totally rock a common doom and still be pretty fast

[spark kite]

You start with Curse of Agony when you're running ME fists, right?

[plain river]

agony is strike iirc, so yeah

[spark kite]

Whether or not the name is correct, I did mean the strike, so thx ^^

[plain river]

Before you hit merciful end your gigacutter with divine flourish on it should be pretty solid chunking

and as long as yk how to dash upper straight out of a dashstrike you should be fine to weave it into your combos

[spark kite]

Wait wait wait

you mean to say I can dash upper on the same dash where I dash strike?

[plain river]

Yeah try it out on skelly

[spark kite]

Or like, dash-strike-dash-upper with my 2 dashes?

Oh damn

[plain river]

Dash-strike -> dash-strike -> (on the same dash as before) d-upper

[spark kite]

But I only click left mouse once and just hold it a bit, right? Or is that actually two clicks?

[plain river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GH5OUk4__M

it’s like a third of the way into the video

Ish

30 seconds more like a quarter

[spark kite]

Ah okay so it's 2 dashes

Damn the timing on this is really generous. I lowkey expected it to be harder.

[plain river]

Right as she equips it at 24s, you can see how the game doesn’t clock in a regular standing special but a d-upper instead

[spark kite]

I mean yeah, you can also see how the feet stay on the ground and the animation is way faster.

[plain river]

I don’t play fists too much so I only really throw it into my rotation when I have the gigacutter tbh ✋😔

[spark kite]

Now the only question is... Blood-Filled Vial or Owl Pendant?

[plain river]

Ares 100%

[spark kite]

I feel like I want an attack boon to start with, but Athena has way more boons that I need...

[plain river]

You don’t want to be caught lacking w/ nothing on strike tbh

[spark kite]

Yeah

I might just need to hope for Athena in Tartarus by RNG '^^

[plain river]

and you also do want to find impending doom still, it is easier to find core boons like divine flourish & divine dash than impending doom

[spark kite]

Or like, 3 Athena boons in Asphodel

Wish me luck. Current Fist-PB is 10:49.00

[plain river]

It may take a few runs for the rng to line up compared to zeus fists

Take all the chaos’s u see, & remember that dash strike damage bonuses also apply to your dash upper

[spark kite]

https://imgur.com/JdAAeGt
This is my loadout after Tartarus. I'd say I'm getting pretty lucky on first try xD

[spark kite]

Okay I see what you meant when you said I "might as well need impending doom". My damage skyrocketed when I found it... in the room before heroes '^^

[tight basin]

impending doom on your ME build is free damage lmao

[spark kite]

Got a pretty slow one this time around, partially because of really bad room rng in Elysium and 3sack + Tiny Vermin in Styx, but I'm positive this will allow me to go at least sub 10 in time ^^

[vital night]

Tart Athena is kind of a fists reset point yeah

Gets pretty miserable without Athena stuff

[tight basin]

is tart athena really a fists reset point lmao

iirc it's just mostly nice

[rose nexus]

Simply get epic doom start and give up and rng manip until nat Athena

Big brain strategizing

[ember harbor]

What are good weapon and boon combinations for a beginner?

[iron moss]

How beginner are we talking?
Do u have aspects

[ember harbor]

only the ones that cost one titan blood

[iron moss]

Imo for the first clear you can use any weapon. I recommend Sheild is your really struggling

[ember harbor]

What are the good weapon and god attack/special combinations?

[vital night]

I mean I don’t enjoy playing it out

But to each their own

[spark kite]

If you're still on the hunt for your first succesful escape, truly any combination of weapon, hammer, and boons can get you there, and your runs will get progressively easier as you naturally unlock mirror-options, companion uses, keepsakes, and a stronger version of your weapon.
One boon to look out for to make the game much easier would be Athena's dash - which also gives you a chance to find her Death Defiances later. Additionally, you generally want a percentage-bonus to your attack (athena, aphrodite, artemis) if you use a slow attacking weapon like the shield, and a flat bonus (Zeus, Ares) if you use a fast attacking weapon like the fists.

[queen nexus]

Im struggling with beating the game using choronacht what should i do?

[spark kite]

Try using Dash-strikes as much as possible. They have a much faster draw speed than regular shots.

Other than that, just keep playing. I remember the bow was quite difficult for me too at first. You'll get the hang of it in time ^^

Do you want to use a specific aspect of it, or are you just using Zagreus?

[queen nexus]

Im using chiron

Stfu

[spark kite]

Okay for Chiron my specific advise would be: Don't underestimate your Attack's damage. I know that the power fantasy for Chiron is to deal most of your damage through the special alone, but the most consistent damage rotation is one dash-strike, one special, repeat. Ideally with a strong %-attack bonus and honestly just any special from any god (although Ares might be kinda bad).

[queen nexus]

What is the best aspect for exagryph?

[full valley]

the fourth if you have it and hestia

eris but you miss out on hazard bomb

[queen nexus]

how do i get fourth?

[proper furnace]

Hestia/eris>luci>zag ig?

Idk luci and zag really just tie them idc

[proper furnace]

#h1-story-discussion pins for hidden aspects

[night aspen]

i'm a big Eris / ||Lucifer|| (hidden aspect) / Hestia / Zag believer tbh

[proper furnace]

But yeah just pick your poison between hestia or eris

If you don't have the blood to max hestia (or lvl 4 at least) I'd go eris tho

[night aspen]

does it do that every time someone mentions eris

[full valley]

its just automatic

[proper furnace]

^

It tries to keep the message at the bottom

[full valley]

is zag good on any aspects? LOL

[night aspen]

zag is meant for beginners

[proper furnace]

zag rail is good lol

is just competing with the others

[night aspen]

it's the introduction to the weapon

[proper furnace]

zag bow/shield are good too

fists is nice ig?

sword/spear nah

[night aspen]

as you get more comfortable with the weapon, you'll probably tend towards other aspects for more goofy things

[full valley]

should try zag fists on my next run

[night aspen]

fists zag is nice

[proper furnace]

zag bow is like really good, base crit means you can go aphro atk instead of arty

[proper furnace]

plenty of good hammers too

zag shield is kinda charged shot or nothing

pulv blow can work but is not beating Cshot

zag rail wants spread fire

[full valley]

my luck is terrible with cshot, ill go with bow 😔

[proper furnace]

but yeah something like zag bow is just really cost efficient for a new save lol

[full valley]

deal, just wanted to shake it up a little

ill be back 🫡 thanks boss

[plain river]

Zag bow and zag rail have their own niches on their weapons, zag shield and zag spear are pretty solid, and zag fists and zag sword have their meme builds

[old elbow]

is there a better choice between infernal soul and stygian soul for hera?

[plain river]

Infernal soul is pretty much always better aside from trippy flare builds

[old elbow]

i was wondering if stygian cast automatically coming back to you might be better for the bow

also is there a beginner friendly build to try hera out?

[plain river]

otherwise you’re highrolling for more casts from chaos, where on other casts you just oneshot/twoshot most enemies

so you immediately get them back

[vital night]

Crush shot

[plain river]

but since trippy shot stays on the ground for 5s it’s more efficient to use stygian

[old elbow]

oh really? i was thinking zues for the bounce

[plain river]

Hera fixes crush shot’s range issue

it has big base damage and immediate speed so

[old elbow]

alright, ill try it. Any other gods that would be really good with it or can they be completely up to me/chance?

after crush shot i mean

[plain river]

demeter has snow burst & ravenous will which is really nice on the loading castpects

Zeus call opens smair which is just always good

[old elbow]

smair?

[plain river]

Posiedon has tidal dash which is just always good, artemis isn’t a bad option for bow strike by default and both together could net you mirage shot

[plain river]

Smouldering Air (charge 5% call gauge / second but max out at 25%)

It’s busted

[old elbow]

ok, so atleast try for demeter than just take the general best options

[plain river]

The only god that really doesn’t help is like ares

[old elbow]

i instintively ignore ares most of the time anyways

i dont know why

i should prolly not but i didnt get a 1st good impression ig

[plain river]

He just doesn’t fit into many builds

The only builds he works on are like hunting blades (where he’s a main feature), merciful end (where he’s a main feature), and hangover builds (where you only want curse of vengeance and curse of nausea)

and aside from that he really just doesn’t play nicely with the other gods like

[old elbow]

i tried merciful end once and didnt enjoy it much, but ill assume thats prolly because im not that good at the game yet

[vital night]

Did you have Athena on dash

[plain river]

It’s a very strong but also very rng reliant build

[vital night]

Also what weapon

[plain river]

you need to have divine dash for it to even work properly

and divine dash isn’t a core for merciful end so you need divine flourish too

[old elbow]

i did, i believe stygius

[vital night]

Meh, dupper proccing is fine on fists

[plain river]

and you might as well need impending doom for it

[plain river]

on fists

[vital night]

Sword is kinda hard to proc since your dash strikes are long

Like length wise

[old elbow]

i might try it again on fists then. Thats the weapon i consistenly do the most dash stikes on i feel

also whats a good weapon/build for shattered shackle? I wanna rank it up but always feel like its a waste taking it cause I don't really leave any of the core slots w/o boons

[plain river]

Hestia, nemesis, zag bow, guan-yu, a charged launcher/explosive skewer build for zag/hades spear, arthur,

[spark kite]

Ares' "issue" why he doesn't really fit well into builds is his attack and special neither offer a %-boost, nor an on-hit dps boost. They're on-hit delayed burst, which is just really bad outside of ME.

Every other god has one or the other.

[vital night]

Nah doom goes really hard if you put poms into it

Really good for crowd control since it’s basically jolted levels of damage

And pretty good bossing supplemental damage. You can get big procs if you loop in some global too

Also doom can crit(gambling so fun)

[spark kite]

But you don't really wanna put poms in your supplemental god.

And if you're already putting poms into an ares attack or special, you might as well just go for ME.

[vital night]

Depends on the boon

Doom takes poms really well

[tight basin]

lowkey kinda depends on the build tbh

like zeus shield can take ares atk outside of ME bc most of the damage is coming from jolted or heartbreak flourish/Explosive return

[vital night]

Not necessarily, doom attack and tdash can be very nice components for a build

[tight basin]

as long as it isn't like common doom, it's still worth pomming

[vital night]

Ares attack is so good on Zeus

Even common doom is nice for crowd control

[tight basin]

you could make an argument for ares attack on hestia but idk how im' gonna defend that lmao

(thanks zyru)

[vital night]

You defend it by posting the current wr

[tight basin]

that doesn't make it any less cursed

[vital night]

True

[tight basin]

or even correct in most circumstances

but i do think ares atk/special can be used outside of ME and can be worth pomming

it's just that your priority should be to your main build ofc

first doom pom does go hard tho so i'd consider that

[vital night]

After like level 6 aphro or Zeus special, I’d probably put poms into doom

[plain river]

It’s fine if nothing else really matters like less used special

ofc if it gets in the way of your build then u have a problem

[sweet scaffold]

Is there anything that runs good with aspect of Arthur?

[primal brook]

athena attack is nice

aphro too, surprisingly the cursed slash hammer also works well since you can just face tank thanks to holy aura a lot of enemies and regain your health back

[sweet scaffold]

Hmmmmm

[plain river]

There are good gods for arthur, arthur’s just a poor conduit iykwim

shadow slash is actually a viable hammer on arthur because you’re actually using your standing strike combo

which is usually pretty decent access to +% for artemis to work off

aphrodite, athena, and artemis each have their own strengths on arthur’s strike

aphrodite strike can be paired w/ like zeus call for smair and really whatever, athena strike can be pair with artemis on special for deadly reversal on good base damage and artemis can go either way w/ aphrodite or athena on special

artemis can also combo well with zeus to get you lightning rod which is actually viable on arthur due to arthur’s just stellar speed

[red falcon]

What’s the best Rama build

?

[plain river]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

-Thanks Nyaa Nyaa

also stickybot doesn’t reply to specific messages, it just brings down it’s message whenever it gets off screen

[red falcon]

Thank u so much dude

[old elbow]

trying out zeus for the 1st time, good hammers/gods to look out for?

[vital night]

Zeus on special to start, and then you can kinda throw on whatever flat damage you want

Dio/ares/zeus/arty on attack, arty on cast for rod, Athena/poseidon/ares/not dio on dash, dio/zeus on call

[old elbow]

dio dash gets flamed so much here, its one of my favs T-T.

but thank you, ill try that

is there anywhere in the codex where i can find all the hammers or do i have to go to wiki for that?

[vital night]

Static discharge, hunters mark, pressure points, double strike, scintillating feast are all good supporting boons

[vital night]

Probably the worst boon in the game

That being said I did clear with it recently

[vital night]

Your ideal first hammer is explosive return

This pinned site is really good

@old elbow shows what hammers exclude each other and stuff

[vital night]

Other than that, I hate playing with charged shot but it’s a thing people do on Zeus, pulv blow, the other dash strike hammer are good too

Everything else kinda sucks

[tight basin]

that's from MiKE not nyaanyaa

[plain river]

Wait

Oh Nyaanyaa is guan-yu

Apologies and many thanks MiKE 😔

[tight basin]

yeah lol

She also did fishing

[rose nexus]

Beefy mentioned

[iron moss]

Fart dash:

[vital night]

True

[spark kite]

So the issue with Dio Dash, and that's quite unintuitive imo, is: If you have hangover from multiple sources and your target is at 5 stacks, applying the next stack will overwrite the earliest stack with the new one, potentially reducing the damage if the new source has a weaker hangover than the earlier one. That's why you're usually best of taking only one Hangover boon, and dash happens to be the weakest of the bunch.

[vital night]

Call>>>

[spark kite]

And with Dio Call being so strong, attack and special also become quite bad in most builds.

[old elbow]

yeah im prolly just biased from getting victories when i had it rather than it doing anything

[jolly chasm]

The other problem with Dio dash is a lot of the other dashes are super good

Tidal, Divine, Blade, Passion and even Hunter and Thunder are all more useful

[spark kite]

This list implies that Passion dash is better than Hunter and Thunder dash, which sounds like a hot take honestly.

But I'm willing to hear your argument if that's a point you'd make.

Just on generic power level ofc; if there's a build I don't know about that actually wants to use Passion dash, I'd love to know that too.

[jolly chasm]

Heart Rend

Plus RD helps it more than hunter

And Thunder dash is out classed by LR lmao

[spark kite]

Right, the only Heart Rend build I ever ran was Chiron with Aphro atk '^^

Lowkey forgot you could get there by dashing xD

[plain river]

Nem and zag moment

[rose nexus]

Pash Dash is strong it’s just smaller and weaker than splash dash

[plain river]

“Weak” true!

Best part of it actually

I actually don’t mind p-dash on fists hangover because I don’t have the optimal damage rotation down yet

I have to force myself to remember to dstrike-ddtrike-dupper

[spark kite]

I remember when I got all my weapons to 40H, I only managed to do the Sword by not using the Sword (cast built with Poseidon)

[plain river]

my only 40 heat is zag bow 🫡

[spark kite]

I strongly dislike the sword '^^

[plain river]

It’s too linear for my tastes

like

With bow I can line up after my dash and every other weapon my dash strike hits an area

with sword it’s a tiny average line

[vital night]

I have more 62 clears with dio dash than dio call 🙏

[vital night]

Thunder is ok if you don’t have Zeus anywhere else, hunter dash is only good on weapons with a high base damage dash strike

[plain river]

I have far more clears with shattered shackle than any-non godkeepsake

[vital night]

Passion dash is fine. It’s basically discount tidal dash

[rose nexus]

My 40s are nem and I think Hestia

[tall totem]

What's the strategy for EM4 Hades? I can deal with phase 1 and 2 pretty well but that last phase is damn near impossible

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422743/1308917667079393342/image0.jpg?ex=673fb012&is=673e5e92&hm=6094cf80a4846f300d8a0bd46ed6bc10715d82200916be3fb8dac00baa86f7c1&

(I haven’t played em4 in the last 100 runs because it’s just unnecessary difficulty for my 32 or 40 heat pacts, I actually don’t remember the fight like at all)

[tall totem]

Yeah I think I’m gonna turn it off too. Wanted to have it on just to get used to it but Hades is just so annoying to fight

[plain river]

If I was going to 50 heat I think I’d have to turn it on so I’d practice it atp

[rose nexus]

There’s no practical reason to learn em4

Until you’re pushing 50+ heat

Do it once to unlock the music track in the shop

Definitely learn em3 though, that’s actually useful for bounties

[tall totem]

Quick question about that: How do you avoid Asterius’ move where he runs at you with Forced Overtime? Dash into him?

[rose nexus]

Stand in front of a pillar and when he’s about to hit you dash into him

Or use your call right before he hits you if available

[vital night]

It’s tough yeah

Shield/rail are better at dealing with it

[tall totem]

How good is Lucifer Rail? Feels like I never hear anyone talk about it.

[plain river]

Pretty good

Like every rail aspect is good, hestia and eris are just that much better

so they’re talked about more

[tall totem]

Does the Poseidon/Aphro duo boon work with Persephone's keepsake?

[plain river]

nope

iirc

[tall totem]

Unfort

[plain river]

truly 😔

it falls into those “technically infinite scaling but you don’t want it for tart or asphodel and you don’t want it for styx” keepsakes

but at least you keep the bonuses compared to plume and butterfly

[celest mulch]

Need help regarding 32 Heat as I take it as the final challenge of game

[tight basin]

there's a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[spark kite]

Hello lovely people
I remember there was a pretty comprehensive guide for room clearing and spawn manip for all possible room layouts in the game. Does someone know what I'm talking about and can point me towards it? I can't find it anymore.

[old elbow]

so i have been failing with guan yu for a bit now, any tips for it? i think somebody posted a build here a few days ago but i can't find it rn

preferably very easy for someone not too good at the game to work with

[plain river]

Use the special

The spin is not where it’s at

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

-thnx Nyaanyaa

That’s your Guan-Yu guide

[old elbow]

thank you

[jolly chasm]

As the title says, I'd like to make sure it all works, I haven't missed anything, and any feedback on if it's good to use or not please: https://zacharywebsites.wixsite.com/chamber-guide-3

(Ignore the text part, I’m on mobile and it’s copy pasted)

[old elbow]

im planning on trying a merciful end build on the fists, any aspect thats gonna be particularly better than the others? also specifics on which boons/hammers to take would be appreciated

[vital night]

Demeter fists

[old elbow]

blown kiss should still be available with hera right?

[vital night]

Yes but it can cause your cast to miss so it’s not recommended

Better off pumping cast with poms

[old elbow]

i mainly want it for prophecy purposes, and i dont see myself taking crush shot unless im playing hera

[dark arrow]

Helloooooooooooooooo guyssssss

Could anybody tell me what I can spend rewards on and what keepsakes are best to have
To benefit of my progress the best I can

[spark kite]

Damn, that looks so cool! I remember a google docs version of this from over a year ago. I'll definitely let you know anything broken if I see it ^^

[vital night]

god keepsakes and acorn are pretty good

[sweet scaffold]

Guan Yu is interesting

I heard Zeus was usable on guan yu?

And perhaps the skull earring

Also have the frost fair blade, so I'd assume stuff that increases it's range would be good?

And vicious skewer perhaps

Or the explosive one

[proper furnace]

you pretty much want charged skewer and aphro/arty special

spin builds take a bit more to get (quick and massive spin) and are riskier in general

wouldn't use zeus outside of his call

[sweet scaffold]

I got demeter and dip

Got charged skewer though

[proper furnace]

dem still decent at high rarity

[sweet scaffold]

Quick spin or serpent

[proper furnace]

quick

tho what's the third

[sweet scaffold]

Serated point

[proper furnace]

yeah just take spin

[vital night]

I guess you could put Zeus on attack, but you wouldn’t be in earring range very often because of the heal then

[primal brook]

It really isn't:
On special the best dps is %based strikes (artemis/aphro/athena(if merciful end) [base damage: 45, so % based boons are best]
On spin: athena (or other %based gods) [deflect is super powerful on quick spin builds: base damage is 30->50 depending on spin charge, epic zeus attack would deal at most +50% while athena would do +80% and extra from deflecting basically everything]
On serrated/attack: artemis is generally best [artemis crit on dashstrike surpasses zeus damage]

[plain river]

These are all like wild things to have heard about Guan-yu

GY’s pretty simple, charged launcher makes your special an aoe damage machine. if you really want to go out of your way to build into the spin, zeus is like a possible route to go but so are +% gods

[tight basin]

zeus is like decent in the sense that you'll get static discharge lmao

the spin hits decently fast so lightning strike sorta makes sense but like what poshboy said, it's already hitting for 30 per tick so like it's kinda eh

[whole silo]

so uh have they fixed the Bad News glitch mentioned in the wiki yet?

or is it now like a permanent function?

[primal brook]

keep in mind internal lightning cooldown, even if spin hits fast it won't deal as much damage as %

[primal brook]

permanent, hasn't been a patch in over a year

[whole silo]

welp guess its a function now

my man Hermes keep getting more broken

[primal brook]

honestly considering it's a legendary, if it worked the way it was described it would be severely underpowered. I'm half sure it's intended but SGG couldn't be bothered to change the description

[whole silo]

I mean the other one Greater Recall isn't very powerful

for a long time I keep debating whether Stygian soul or Infernal soul was better

guess this answered that

50% dmg boost global is crazy

I'm racking up win streaks with the hunting blades (ares+artermis) and bad news

[proper furnace]

Now wait for rush delivery lol

[sweet scaffold]

Is there anything that synergizes well with rama, well probably, but idk

I heard Aphrodite on the attack was good

Heart rend?

[plain river]

Yep

It’s a feature

[tall totem]

I love using Zeus special with either Aphrodite or Artemis on the attack.

[potent tree]

As a lazy player, I love Greater Recall

[primal brook]

Generally speaking Rama is probably one of the most powerful weapons but can be difficult, yeah aphrodite and artemis work well on attack and zeus/dio/ares work well on special (you can spam special if you have trouble with the attack).

[plain river]

Not really

like

it is signicantly harder to get Bad News than it is to get hyper delivery

which is at minimum rarity and minimum movespeed boosts is a 50% dmg boost

[queen nexus]

im having hard time doing achievment thorns of thanathos

is there any good build for that?

[plain river]

That’s the butterfly to 30% one?

[queen nexus]

yes

[plain river]

use one of the safer ranged weapons like Hestia or Guan-Yu

and run a good build on them

or just take any shield aspect (preferably Zeus) and use a good build

nothing special in terms of how you build them, you just take a very safe aspect or weapon and then build it well

[plain river]

Guan-Yu is specifically a safe ranged weapon when built around it’s special

not its strike

[sweet scaffold]

The power shot is just really hard to pull off because the draw speed is really slow

[full valley]

Lots of practice and dash striking

only on parts where hades is paused to summon pots ill fully charge it on him

[clever mason]

I hate playing really safe Zeus. Is that weird?

[plain river]

Not really?

Playing really safe with any weapon sucks

I only suggested playing it safe because they’re trying to get an achievement that involves a ton of not getting hit

safe aspect x playing it safe = less hits

zeus and other shields are just naturally safe though

you don’t need to go out of your way to make them safer for regular play

[clever mason]

No I’m with you, and I really like Zeus shield. But I really like it because I can multitask (badly). But to just watch that disc spin for a whole run sounds so unfun. I guess I’m never going to attempt that achievement.

[full valley]

You can attack while it spins, just don't get distracted by the disc

Charge an' all

I ended up beating that with varatha though, and wasn't hard at all

[plain river]

…it is not hard to get that achievement without playing uber defensively

and you don’t have to use zeus either

[vital night]

You can be very aggressive with Zeus and not even use the block at all

[sweet scaffold]

Guys I'm finally using Beowulf

But yet again, I need another idea of what's great with Beowulf

I saw that people use crush shot and flood shot a ton, specifically flood shot

[proper furnace]

flood flare, arty attack into mirage shot is the idea

mirage shot is bugged with flares and the 2nd cast deals 100% instead of 30%

[sweet scaffold]

Are the barrier damage stuff good too? Or no

I forgot name

[proper furnace]

nah

flood has pretty much non existant knockback

it doesn't even trigger sea storm

you just want mirage, poms on cast and cast dmg from chaos/extra stones

hermes hyper sprint + rush delivery always good

[tight basin]

the only time the knockback is relavent on flood flare is if you hit an enemy at the very very edge of the flare, which really doesn't happen often

[sweet scaffold]

I see

Besides Artemis and Poseidon, are there any other gods that are worth grabbing?

They have me Zeus

Have

Gave

And want me to get dipn

[jolly chasm]

None worth forcing, but Dem and Athena are okay

[sweet scaffold]

Dio

[jolly chasm]

Dio is also fine

Ares, Zeus and Aphro are pretty bad on Beo

Zeus is the worst tho

[tight basin]

dio is fine bc he has like 5 unpommables lmao

dem has snow burst and ravenous will but also a good handful of unpommables too

[sweet scaffold]

Interesting

Oh what about hammers

[jolly chasm]

Also, best hammer on Beo is Charged Shot

It’s not even close

[sweet scaffold]

I got dashing wallop

Uggjghhfjf

[tall totem]

Full Zeus Rama special build is so dumb lol

[gusty wasp]

Charged shot is the best unless it’s Dio cast, some are ok like ferocious guard or the sudden rush (?)

[sweet scaffold]

I got sudden rush but unluckiness traded it in for breaching rush and some other

[jolly chasm]

Charged Shot is still best in Dio Beo

[gusty wasp]

Disagree - AoE and charged shot felt funky to me

It’s like, it doesn’t hit when you expect it to hit

[queen mural]

out of those: chain shot, triple shot explosive shot
which one works best with sniper shot?

[jolly chasm]

Triple

[queen mural]

doesnt triple reduce range or im thinking of something else

[proper furnace]

The dmg that sniper offers is really bad

So taking triple just means you ignore sniper in favor of hugging your enemies shotgun style

[queen mural]

in the first two areas it was easy to use it, but after that everyone rushes me

dont think im ever picking it again tbh

[proper furnace]

You need way too much distance to use sniper

Also it blocks twin shot

[queen mural]

and a charged shot too

sadly i went with chain shot hoping it helps me with the styx dungeons

[proper furnace]

If you really hate styx take Poseidon's cast and breaking wave

[queen mural]

yeah either that or poseidon's dash. my best runs so far where with that

[proper furnace]

Tidal dash is also an option

Oh lol

[queen mural]

the styx is where i die the most

[proper furnace]

Take the mini boss tunnels first btw

[queen mural]

im getting the hang of hades fight but the styx is still my main struggle

[queen mural]

only took two mini boss fights and so far they seem easier than the regular fights lol

[lucid oar]

Id say cshot is even more important with dio beo than on flood beo

Having acceptable damage even during cast downtime is huge

[gusty wasp]

Just one more cast from chaos means nearly zero downtime but yeah true I guess

As I said my argument is that “it feels weird” on Dio cast not about what is optimal

[left sand]

who have a shield builds pls

[lucid oar]

We just talked about one

[queen mural]

so i already have Atrophic Favor, and now Choas offered me another one. what happens if i take both?

[full valley]

I've always been taking a non elite door in styx first because you can't get sack at first, then taking elite doors for my 2nd and 3rd doors to skip tiny vermin and that strong satyr. Why is taking 2 elite doors first better? Is what I've been doing before fine?

[plain river]

Twin

you’re thinking of twin

[plain river]

Elite rooms are easier than the massive regular ones

So taking both elites early maximises your odds of never having to go into a regular tunnel

[plain river]

You get both effects lol

“Atrophic” is just the curse attached to the chaos boon, and each chaos boon you find is a unique boon independent of the other ones u have. you can stack as many chaos boons as you can find

[queen mural]

one was 21% the other is 23% i get both combined? or the 2nd one replaced the first one

[gusty wasp]

You get both

Idk if it’s additive or multiplicative

[vital night]

44

[queen mural]

sheesh should have taken it

didnt know you can get duplicates

[plain river]

Additive

[plain river]

Only for chaos boons

[wintry axle]

Alright yall, so I'm playing on my laptop. Can anyone please help me with how in the fing world i can aim the goddamn rail? I've tried aim assist with attack on cursor and without! Zag just seems to shoot wheretf he wants and I'm losing it. I basically get every clear on the rail on pure luck. What do i even doo

[vital night]

You’ll shoot enemies if they’re in range

With attack at cursor off

[wintry axle]

Got it. It seems I'm never in range 😂😭

Time to practice more