no idea
#h1-builds-and-combat
vagrant crane
it seemed to work to input those nalei sheets but that was cgull
and also nalei is goomba now
jolly chasm
😌
tight basin
yeah nalei goombaed 20 dio beos
jolly chasm
And got Dio beo wr, but that was after the Goomba
tight basin
right lmao
vagrant crane
that ones not on the sheet
jolly chasm
Do you plan on going for your sheets after you beat 64?
vital night
Do you plan on going for your sheets after you beat 64?
No set schedule, but most of them will probably be after 64 yeah
tight basin
Would you do heat first or sheets first
Bc I can see like staying in the heat mindset but also the break from heat could be nice
vital night
Taking a break to do some fists stuff rn
vital night
https://tenor.com/view/archer-sterling-archer-hey-phrasing-phrasing-gif-4228674
Eumenideez nuts lmao
still vortex
i just had a lvl 1 zag rail first run with the rail that was zeus posidon seastorm build that felt strong enough to clear EM4. I cleared normal hades with all 3 death defiances. Felt very strong.
raven frost
i just had a lvl 1 zag rail first run with the rail that was zeus posidon seasto...
yeah sea storm is one of my fav builds
if you can get double strike, jolted and rupture with priviliged status the dps is ooh 😩
rose nexus
Sea storm needing a non dash core from Poseidon is just so annoying
Merciful end is that strict too but it’s actually like… justified, there
raven frost
I dont have a problem with that because i put poseidon on my main attack so every attack is a lightning bolt
analog mauve
why would you shoot yourself in the foot like that just to have decent dps halfway through ely
raven frost
the build feels fun to use once it's online
you're right that it's inefficient
from a meta standpoint it's a trash approach to the run
rose nexus
Sea storm is fun
plain river
if you can get double strike, jolted and rupture with priviliged status the dps ...
This just sounds like regular zap strike but with 8 extra steps
raven frost
This just sounds like regular zap strike but with 8 extra steps
what is zap strike?
raven frost
No its ok i just thought it might be the name for a build like how at one point i heard soup was tidal dash or sum
plain river
flat damage soup involves tidal dash
Most often referred to for rail builds, but it’s more of a class of builds that just has a ton of independent damage sources thrown around
like lightning strike, static discharge, tidal dash, zeus or dionysus call,
You have a lot of things hitting a bunch of times, you charge your call really fast, and you get so much more benefit from global additive sources like rush delivery
Works best on the fast hitting weapons like rail, spear, fists
raven frost
I see
So like smash a bunch of things together like in my first few runs of the game xD
raven frost
Well yea
it was probably an oversimplification but i get what you mean for the most part
plain river
but it is just 3 independent, really strong flat damage sources
Zeus strike (and related zeus boons), tidal dash, zeus or dionysus call
The last of great duos isn’t really a problem
raven frost
from the few times i've had zeus strike i've just found the chain lightning to be an underwhelming damage source compared to going the whole sea storm route
the chain lightning only felt good during room clears because there's a lot of damage out of a single strike across all enemies but against bosses it feels very weak
still vortex
Sea storm needing a non dash core from Poseidon is just so annoying
But it doesn’t?
plain river
from the few times i've had zeus strike i've just found the chain lightning to b...
It’s really solid idk
I mean static discharge is also huge
analog mauve
chain lightning falls off ffast you need jolted
plain river
also like
Posiedon strike should feel like crap all the way till you find the duo
Compared to lightning strike
and duo fishing is about as consistent as like
legendary fishing for splitting bolt
…not really
raven frost
fair point
ill try out lightning strike then too
i might've had the wrong impression of it
raven frost
legendary fishing for splitting bolt
although i thought duo boons were more common over legendary?
proper furnace
Easier requirements but same odds % speaking
raven frost
Ah i see
rose nexus
But it doesn’t?
But it… does?
vital night
It does 
rose nexus
It works with tidal dash but tidal dash is not a prerequisite
You need another Poseidon core to unlock the duo
still vortex
Huh, I thought I triggered it recently without anything but dash. But I guess not.
I also agree, wish they left dash as an unlockable for ME and Sea Storm.
still vortex
I always thought parting shot duo just was a flat increase to casts, and didn't actually require you to backstab with the cast... is that not true?
plain river
although i thought duo boons were more common over legendary?
The requirements are easier to meet and you have better odds since they can pop up whenever you get a boon from either god
plain river
I always thought parting shot duo just was a flat increase to casts, and didn't ...
It exclusively allows casts to backstab and gives casts additional backstab damage
tight basin
Huh, I thought I triggered it recently without anything but dash. But I guess no...
unfortunately they'd be too strong lmao
jolly chasm
They used to be unlocked by dashes, but the devs thought it was too strong and decided to nerf them
This was back when people thought Eris was the greatest thing ever created
Beo and Hera had yet to be played at the same level, so they avoided the nerfs
Because Beo and Hera are way stronger than Sea storm of ME ever was
All of this is for speed ofc
errant narwhal
unfortunately they'd be too strong lmao
it was very easily obtainable
raven frost
for aspect of hestia do i just reload every 1 bullet or shoot like normal?
vagrant crane
reload every shot
only time to not reload every shot is if u are trying to kill numbskulls
jolly chasm
Don't forget to reload for tiny rats, their 1hp really needs it
raven frost
and then do yall go for like the 5 blast hammer combo or something else for hestia
errant narwhal
Don't forget to reload for tiny rats, their 1hp really needs it
the pots? Destroy Them.
raven frost
ive barely played rail so i have 0 clue what to do
raven frost
hmm so like aphro on atck and im thinking artemis for the cluster rockets
i feel like optically timing my attacks will be so hard
shoot once, reload and use rocket while reloading
this incompetence is humbling
im on 24 hp almost dead to tight deadline
analog mauve
is this hestia
raven frost
yes
analog mauve
if using the special messes up ur rhythm just skip it
unless ur speedrunning you wont need it until like 61 heat
raven frost
im not using my special anymore i think my mirror is not good for clearing with hestia
i used shadow presence
analog mauve
fiery presence helps but u dont absolutely need it
hestia is like the least dependent aspect ever
potent tree
this incompetence is humbling
Very important question: what level is your Hestia rail?
raven frost
Max, i maxed all my aspects a bit ago
this is just an entirely skill based issue 😅
i could blame it on getting common aphrodite attack
rose nexus
Dash strikes are totally fine for Hestia
In case you weren’t using them
They’re better, even, since you can buff them with hunter dash or chaos dash strike, instead of just with chaos attack
potent tree
Can always beat up Skelly
fair notch
does low tolerance (more stacks on weak) make dio like way better than zeus? most people here have basically said that dio is just a worse version of zeus that deals damage over time instead of at once, but how does it compare with duo boons? is dio like higher potential but zeus is better on most runs? (since duo is super rare)
plain river
does low tolerance (more stacks on weak) make dio like way better than zeus? mos...
Low tolerance and curse of nausea can make hangover deal damage more than twice as fast (2.2*), but I’d be hard pressed to call that better than an equally lucky zeus build
Dionysus does pop off on call about equally as well as zeus though
just for strike and special is what I’m talking about here
fair notch
oh yeah i'm talking attack and special
so what would an equally lucky zeus build look like? cold fusion and splitting bolt?
jolly chasm
Epic jolted
vital night
so what would an equally lucky zeus build look like? cold fusion and splitting b...
Few Poms in special, many Poms in jolted, some global damage boost
plain river
so what would an equally lucky zeus build look like? cold fusion and splitting b...
Epic jolted and splitting bolt yeah
fair notch
is jolted that much better than the base lightning?
it only hits when they attack and they don't attack that often if you're currently pummeling them
plain river
Jolted is a massive improvement to zeus’s damage
fair notch
ig it's way better for bosses than normals
plain river
it only hits when they attack and they don't attack that often if you're current...
When they take 140 damage per attack they make, it’s worth it
compared to your like
15 lightning strike
fair notch
lightning strike is like 50
plain river
it’s just a larger number that only gets better as you pile on heat
lightning strike is 15
10 if common
fair notch
oh you know what
they're names SUPER DUMB
the one that chain lightnings is called lightning strike
the one that strikes lightning is called thunder flourish
plain river
STRIKE is used for all strike boons
aka
your
strike action
flourish is for all special boons
fair notch
oh is it? i guess that makes sense but still dumb imo
plain river
ares curses are the only boons that break the formula
even on special builds, jolted is still a huge damage increase
fair notch
i mean yes it's a damage increase, but is pomming it better than pomming thunder flourish with like zeus aspect shield?
fair notch
ok cool
oh and another question. for the bow with the seeking special (chiron?), is zeus good there or is there a cooldown between lightning strikes?
plain river
0.2s for lighting bolts per target
per source as well
so a zeus call won’t get in the way of a zeus special
vital night
bro assumed its zeus on special
typing everything out is too much work
fair notch
so you won't get 4-8 lightning strikes from aspect of chiron
vital night
no
fair notch
but you will get 4-8 stacks of hangover
vital night
you get like 2
plain river
You’ll get 1-2 regardless of level
vital night
only as many as you can get
fair notch
yeah i know it maxes at 5
plain river
lightning strike is a .15s cooldown
fair notch
the chain lightning?
plain river
yeah
fair notch
is there anything that can apply it faster than that?
like does anything hit faster than once every 0.15s
plain river
Rail with some attack speed boosts
analog mauve
yeah happens a lot
plain river
Or dash striking 
vital night
lucifer
analog mauve
or serrated point spear
fair notch
oh is flurry fire too fast?
analog mauve
flurry fire doesnt affect speed
plain river
Is flurry jab fast enough too on dashstrike
analog mauve
yes thats what jazz told me
fair notch
flurry fire doesnt affect speed
"Your Attack is faster"?
plain river
flurry fire doesnt affect speed
…that’s like the only thing it does
vital night
No one every picks flurry fire so theres no experimentation with it
doesn't it also seek?
plain river
rail
fair notch
doesn't it also seek?
auto aim is way better with it is what i've noticed
flurry fire is... the only thing i grab with rail
analog mauve
doesnt it add ammo?
plain river
the hammer for rail is called flurry fire
vital night
wha
analog mauve
since when did it shoot faster
vital night
flurry sucks
vital night
pick delta, rocket, cluster, hazard, targeting, piercing
analog mauve
delta makes it shoot faster
vital night
no
vital night
but i think the burst still comes out at the same fire rate
plain river
it’s like a 60% attack speed increase
fair notch
pick delta, rocket, cluster, hazard, targeting, piercing
does delta cancel out hestia?
vital night
no
jolly chasm
No
vital night
ok the exception is hestia. can take richocet
plain river
no delta fire comes out at .135s intervals iirc
fair notch
what would you use instead of hestia? it seemed the best to me
vital night
you will still be able to manually reload on hestia, but you won't autoreload
vital night
no hestia is one of the best rails, i'm just saying that you wouldn't want delta on it
vital night
pick delta, rocket, cluster, hazard, targeting, piercing
add ricochet to this pool and remove delta for hestia
fair notch
i also... almost never use the special
plain river
You should be
plain river
That’s why rocket is on the list
plain river
and also if you’re killing every enemy that fast then I need to see what you do for bosses and minibosses
vital night
targeting
fair notch
i don't think i've come across rocket ever
vital night
rough
analog mauve
what would you use instead of hestia? it seemed the best to me
eris
plain river
spreadfire zagrail
fair notch
eris
seems really really useless at low levels imo
yes 75% is huge but 15% is... really low
the 50 damage from hestia is way better
jolly chasm
Base rail is really strong
analog mauve
plain river
seems really really useless at low levels imo
The 50 damage of hestia barely makes the reload worth it?
vital night
literally 1/3 of the DPS
fair notch
what is rail base damage? isn't it like 20
vital night
10
plain river
10
fair notch
yeah so 50 is a huge increase
plain river
No it isn’t
vital night
eh
plain river
Not for the time you spend reloading
fair notch
i just reload when i dash away
vital night
at that point you suffer the opportunity cost of not putting zeus
fair notch
dash towards, hit hit hit hit hit, dash away reload
vital night
🗿
plain river
You’d gain more damage by just running eris and getting a 15% boost to everything
for 4 seconds
and continually reapplying it
vital night
just max hestia lol
analog mauve
even stock rail would be better than using a low level hestia for the empowered shot
vital night
you will 1 shot most of tartarus
fair notch
You’d gain more damage by just running eris and getting a 15% boost to everythin...
is it everything everything? like zeus lightning also does more damage?
vital night
global be global
plain river
fair notch
ooh i thought it was only base like... everything else
analog mauve
thats why eris is special 😌
plain river
does it say it’s only specific things?
fair notch
how is lucifer?
plain river
No, it doesn’t
fair notch
i don't have it unlocked yet
plain river
Lucifers good, it’s just not Eris or Hestia
All the rail aspects are good in their own right, unlike other weapons
plain river
All the rail aspects are good in their own right, unlike other weapons
even zagrail has the market corned in spreadfire usage 
analog mauve
lucifer feels so unintuitive
vital night
you have to kite into the bombs yeah
jolly chasm
Lucy hard
rose nexus
Lucifer smelly
regal prism
whats a good build for gauntlets? dont have gilgamesh but i have the other 2
rose nexus
whats a good build for gauntlets? dont have gilgamesh but i have the other 2
Zeus attack Poseidon dash
regal prism
bet
rose nexus
Dash strike all the time
Pom Poseidon dash and look for static discharge from Zeus and Pom that too
potent tree
Why does it say you're suspected to be part of a terrorist org? 
rose nexus
Was a fad thing for a while to put that in your bio
potent tree
Strange!
regal prism
Was a fad thing for a while to put that in your bio
yeah
regal prism
Pom Poseidon dash and look for static discharge from Zeus and Pom that too
should i use hades keepsake to sneak?
rose nexus
Probably not, hades keepsake doesn’t do much unless you’re playing a super burst dps aspect like hera or Beowulf
regal prism
kk
rose nexus
Look for dio or Zeus call for this
rose nexus
Yeah that’s always solid, acorn for elysium and Styx
tight basin
pom static discharge as much as possible since that's where all the dps is
regal prism
bet
tight basin
apart from tdash i guess
ideally you'd have tdash and static discharge be at equal poms by the end of the run, those 2 should be your priority
rose nexus
Merciful end also rly strong on fists
But if you fail to get the duo you’re pretty weak
neat breach
So running fists
Should I use the ares keepsake or Athena
I mostly aim for Athena dash and ares attack
I think I benefit more from the dash deflect
rose nexus
Ares attack first, Athena special next, then you aim for merciful end and divine dash
Ideally
neat breach
Ok thanks
neat breach
Ok so two questions
After I get out of Tartarus what keepsake should I switch to with twin fists
I start with ares and go for ares attack and athena dash and special
If I don’t have any athena boons seitch to athena keepsake?
And my second question is what are some good builds for adamant rail?
lucid oar
Ok so two questions
After I get out of Tartarus what keepsake should I switch to...
Athena nearly always
Only time you dont go athena aspho is if you already have ME + dash
neat breach
What’s the best aspect for twin fists?
Also if I do ares attack and Athena dash what’s the best special to go for
Because aren’t like Dionysius Zeus and ares special really good with the Demeter aspect
lucid oar
What’s the best aspect for twin fists?
Demeter
lucid oar
Also if I do ares attack and Athena dash what’s the best special to go for
Merciful end requires ares attack and athena special (or vice versa) so you are locked into needing Athena’s
neat breach
Merciful end requires ares attack and athena special (or vice versa) so you are ...
Is Demeter still good with those?
lucid oar
Yes
rain trail
any boon builds u guys reccomend on spear? I’m having trouble clearing and killing fast enough with only that weapon 😭
turbid needle
any boon builds u guys reccomend on spear? I’m having trouble clearing and killi...
which spear are you using rn? the normal one?
latent mortar
I think I used up all my luck for the next month on this run I'm on
vagrant crane
what build is it
turbid needle
I think I used up all my luck for the next month on this run I'm on
👀
I had a great lucifer run today with Ares doom boons
vagrant crane
that sounds suspicious
vagrant crane
although given the various luci heat wrs i guess luci is just an overall suspicious aspect
turbid needle
although given the various luci heat wrs i guess luci is just an overall suspici...
Whats ur fav weapon and aspect if i may ask?
vagrant crane
flood flare
arty atk or special
mirage shot
hyper sprint+rush delivery
chaos shot and stone
turbid needle
Im not that deep into hades yet, but i have the weapon + aspect, ill give it a shot
turbid needle
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7qCbSaBgREflZ3Wm_5vXf95f8RLHwav-KbjUJifY0k/...
Oh you have docs for every build?
vagrant crane
no
turbid needle
Thats cool
vagrant crane
only some
turbid needle
if you do it right you instaphase every boss
Damn
vagrant crane
beo has one because its the most important and best aspect
latent mortar
what build is it
Eris rail artemis cast build. I managed to rare crop the cast, get purple quick reload, mirage shot, flurry cast, heart rend, targeting system rockets, cast damage from a well for hades, fully loaded plus a sixth cast from chaos
vagrant crane
that sounds dubious
turbid needle
beo has one because its the most important and best aspect
Alright, thxxx
latent mortar
i mean artemis cast is dubious
but
The RNG fell into place to give me everything I could have asked for so it was a v v fun meme run
tight basin
although given the various luci heat wrs i guess luci is just an overall suspici...
Tbf for heat it's mainly just triple bomb that's carrying
The atk isn't that important
For speed you have to care about your atk too bc it's part of your dps
rain trail
which spear are you using rn? the normal one?
Yes
still vortex
for a new save file, I have 9 clears in 19 attempts, I think that's doing pretty good 😄
tight basin
Considerably better than most at the start of the game I'd say lmao
Most people's first clear are after at least 20 attempts, and 20 is considered a low number
still vortex
yeah, I"m not a pro, but I wanted to restart without using god mode.
vital night
yeah, I"m not a pro, but I wanted to restart without using god mode.
It’s good, but not impressive with god mode imo
still vortex
It’s good, but not impressive with god mode imo
without god mode
vital night
for a new save file, I have 9 clears in 19 attempts, I think that's doing pretty...
Should’ve been more clear. I mean this stat.
still vortex
My main game file I used god mode a lot... so I started a new file without using god mode at all
analog mauve
yes
still vortex
I used to think hades wasn't beatable without god mode, but my skills have clearly improved because I can now
still vortex
I mean people clear on the first run as a challenge
i'm clearly not yet in this crowd
vital night
Me neither. It’s a lot of fun though
analog mauve
im getting there
still vortex
is there any way to change your "seed" a little, a way to restart your run but get a little better rng?
analog mauve
for regular runs most of us use the speedrun modpack
still vortex
on the nintendo switch vanilla install without mods
plain river
is there any way to change your "seed" a little, a way to restart your run but g...
Actually
there is
vital night
Dying resets the seed but it’s random
still vortex
Dying resets the seed but it’s random
does dying count as an escape attempt? I'd rather avoid that if possibl
vital night
Oh lmao
plain river
It’s very slight but if you have a good start and everything sucks after that you can just hit give-up and run it back
still vortex
my imaginary e-peen wants no failed runs if possible, or minimal failed runs
vital night
Well you’re basically giving up so you might as well be dying
Idk man I understand where you’re coming from, but I probably have thousands, if not more resets
And by reset I mean a quick death through the modpack
plain river
You can route your run a bit without any mods but it’s pretty rough
still vortex
It’s very slight but if you have a good start and everything sucks after that yo...
i found the way to reset is start a battle, get hit, and then close the game app seems to restart the run without counting as an attempt, but the original first few rooms and choices seem almost stuck
plain river
yeah they will be
vital night
You can manip c2 onwards
still vortex
You can manip c2 onwards
give me the tech
plain river
You’ll have the same seed until you do something that pushes rng over
still vortex
You’ll have the same seed until you do something that pushes rng over
doesn't changing your keepsake or weapon change things quite a bit?
plain river
yeah but that’s not what I mean
you have the same seed for that aspect with that keepsake
vagrant crane
give me the tech
it takes like hundreds of hours to practice a single route
plain river
resetting puts you back to before you enterred your run
still vortex
yeah, if for example I'm going for a base atk or special with a specific god, and get a bad first choice, I sometimes abandon that idea and choose a different god
plain river
So walking back in under the same conditions gives you the same stuff until something changes
still vortex
it takes like hundreds of hours to practice a single route
no, not specific routes, just what do I do to manipulate chamber 2 and onward? Is it just time spent clearing the room?
plain river
no
time has no bearing on it
There are specific events that change the seed
breaking any items pushes the seed by 1, having casts hit the floor, etc
vagrant crane
actual controlling rng is just learning how different things affect generation
plain river
you can minorly route your run if you can manage to do the same stuff with the same amount of rng triggers up till the point you don’t want to be on that seed any more
I’ve done it a few times where the first half of tartarus was great then everything was downhill after that
But tbh like having a perfect record is like
“Hmm so you never pushed yourself”
vagrant crane
wait is this all for just a winstreak
plain river
“Hmm so you never pushed yourself”
Or you’re a speedrunner
analog mauve
whats an epen
vagrant crane
nobody who has played for more than like 2 months cares about winstreaks
analog mauve
my winstreak is like 11
vagrant crane
unless its a streak combined with some other thing
plain river
The only winstreak I’m impressed by are like high heat ones or FF ones
vagrant crane
ill post sheet streaks but its still not that impressive
analog mauve
u can sub6 any reasonable sub6 seed right
plain river
Or idk if you have a 24 winstreak cuz you just did some variant of all-aspects
vagrant crane
u can sub6 any reasonable sub6 seed right
anybody can sheet like a third of all seeds that exist
plain river
anybody can sheet like a third of all seeds that exist
True I was the seeds
vital night
You wish
analog mauve
i remember you saying 1/20 seeds are sub6able
plain river
also every seed is a reasonable sub6 seed with enough indomitable human spirit
analog mauve
ok well anyway the point i was making is
plain river
a while back i did 50 runs and 38% of them were sub6
Ok but those were like set-up for it right
vagrant crane
?
analog mauve
if you get a sub6 steak that just means you got 2 sub6 seeds in a rowright
plain river
cuz if we’re talking every seed
vagrant crane
they were random seed
vagrant crane
if you get a sub6 steak that just means you got 2 sub6 seeds in a rowright
yeah
plain river
no keepsake?
vagrant crane
no keepsake?
they were normal any heat runs
vital night
?
plain river
nvrmindd
vagrant crane
like not 38% of any seed given you use myrmidon bracer and chiron and the worst possible mirror
analog mauve
theres no way high heat em4 is harder than radiant absrad right
rose nexus
give me the tech
If you simply want to keep streak, throwing out your cast after clearing a room will advance the rng
vagrant crane
if you actually want to keep the streak just play the game
rose nexus
So you could give up and restart and change up your casts
vagrant crane
the seed you get should not affect you clearing the game
rose nexus
But like everyone is saying it’s not really necessary
analog mauve
yeah if you play at 0 heat theres no reason for you to ever lose the streak
unless u like afk on lava
damn the guy who was asking this is long gone
nvm
still vortex
I don't need win streaks... and failed runs on higher heat against em4 when the build didn't work out just right are understandable, but it's still disappointing to get that far and then fail.
vital night
😃
analog mauve
😄
vital night
Welcome to game
rose nexus
I let my failed runs fail nowadays but I used to give up and retry for streak
vital night
Cringe tbh
still vortex
Yesterday I had a pretty good butterfly run going through asphodel, but then I chose a god's keepsake to target a duo I wanted, but then forgot that meant my butterfly bonus left. I was like "Shoot!!" a few seconds after I picked the keepsake.
analog mauve
theres no way high heat em4 is harder than radiant absrad right
its making me feel ill have a good time trying em4 so probably yes
analog mauve
true
still vortex
it wasn't for achievements honestly, I'm not on steam
analog mauve
i would add a 50 heat achievement
rose nexus
Yesterday I had a pretty good butterfly run going through asphodel, but then I c...
As long as you hit quit before leaving the midroom you can undo a keepsake change
vagrant crane
they should put a sub5 achievement
still vortex
As long as you hit quit before leaving the midroom you can undo a keepsake chang...
i'll remember this next time
vagrant crane
anda nother achievement for doing it twice
analog mauve
rose nexus
Achievement for a 60 minute clear but if the game detects you afking it kills u
Permanently
And erases your save file
still vortex
i would add a 50 heat achievement
pretty sure I've only gotten to 21 heat... so I feel humbled when Halien says, "I'll set it to 20 because I don't want it too easy but want it still pretty chill"
vital night
😃
analog mauve
when you understand the game and pact 20 is basically 0
rose nexus
With enough practice you too will consider 20 heat to be free
analog mauve
because most of it is filler heat
still vortex
what would be the "easiests" heat 20 load ?
analog mauve
deadline 3 em2 overtime 2 where does that get you, 16?
then add customs and middle management
rose nexus
BP2 fairly free too unless game really decides it hates you
analog mauve
man this is making me grind my teeth
vagrant crane
just pick anything without like em4 or ri or ap or dc or hs or js or cp or cf and itll probably be free
rose nexus
For most people I’d say em3 fo1 over em2 fo2
vital night
pretty sure I've only gotten to 21 heat... so I feel humbled when Halien says, "...
It’s all relative at the end of the day
analog mauve
em3 can be a roadblock
vital night
I think it’s easier to adapt to everything being a little harder rather than a single boss being 2x harder
still vortex
deadline 3 em2 overtime 2 where does that get you, 16?
i've gotten to the point that em3 is the normal fight, and em4 feels like the way hades should be.
Does anyone else think the hardest phase of Hades and EM4 Hades is his first phase when he summons all his adds?
still vortex
I hate them. If I can get thru phase 1 with a death defiance left, I'm pretty confident I can finish the fight most of the time.
analog mauve
im still struggling to clear p1 with acorn leftover
vital night
Yeah sometimes it’s just the absolute worst thing ever
If not bball and voidstone it’s pretty chill though
Love em4
vital night
Oh rip
analog mauve
i mean
i will have hours of content
that means nothing
*the lost footage means nothing
vital night
So true
vital night
Yeah that’s fair
still vortex
If not bball and voidstone it’s pretty chill though
BBalls suck, and void stones suck... just die already!!
I'm also not a fan of the shield champions in the chaos that is Hades fight... or the armored bow champions. So annoying.
still vortex
does empty inside effect unhealthy fixation, ie male charm last longer?
proper furnace
No
still vortex
Anyways, I’m upset that hades won’t fight me but he’s just letting me go
analog mauve
congrats
untold vortex
@still vortex please don't evade the language filter, thanks 
still vortex
<@798983442011914270> please don't evade the language filter, thanks <:friendly:...
Is r followed by e’s actually a bad word? I was “evading it” to point out it was over reaching. If you disagree, I apologize.
untold vortex
Is r followed by e’s actually a bad word? I was “evading it” to point out it was...
It's on the language filter list , and if it's on there it's there for a reason
still vortex
Can you educate me why so I can be more sensitive ?
vagrant crane
ableist
still vortex
Can we be given a reference to the other words on the list?
tight basin
the general rule is to like
not use curse words lmao
if you have to think about whether or not a word is okay then don't use it
anything insulting generally isn't accepted
still vortex
R followed by ees is not a bad word, it’s an Onomatopoeia about an emotion felt in frustration. I was frustrated that I couldn’t fight hades with my good build. To have r followed by two ee’s on the language list is inexplicable.
Lmoa is an acronym that has a bad word in it worse than the sound I make when I’m frustrated
untold vortex
Can we be given a reference to the other words on the list?
No, simply put giving people access to the list makes it significantly easier for folks to evade it and we don't want to facilitate that
I'm sorry you couldn't express frustration in the way you wanted, however there're plenty of other ways to express your frustration without saying the deleted term.
still vortex
Okay, whatever. It’s dumb but I’ll respect the filter.
potent tree
Hm
still vortex
Not fair
rose nexus
It’s considered ableist due to its origins in mocking autistic people
I believe anyway
still vortex
I didn’t know that connection, nor do I feel like it needs to have that connection
rose nexus
What matters is that the moderators of this discord feel it’s not appropriate for this server
analog mauve
real it keeps blocking everytime i accidentally use an extra e when typing screenshot
rose nexus
Nothing is going to change that
potent tree
I didn’t know that connection, nor do I feel like it needs to have that connecti...
Yeah, it just reminds me of a certain frog or the AI-chan dub of said frog LOL
Maybe it was a toad hm
still vortex
Yeah, it just reminds me of a certain frog or the AI-chan dub of said frog LOL
I think there are people that are offended by said frog. We live in a sensitive society. Anyways, not going to change soon and not really what we want to talk about. Let’s just get back to hades.
potent tree
No argument from me! Stuff's pretty discouraging anyway
analog mauve
another day of automod teaching users new offensive terms
potent tree
That's literally how I learned bad words as a child
analog mauve
ahaha
potent tree
Child me was like "wow, people sure are weird"
analog mauve
thats funny
vital night
It’s considered ableist due to its origins in mocking autistic people
Tiny bit silly but I don’t make the rules so whatever
vital night
It is to the extent that two people here didn’t make the connection
vagrant crane
there are situations like with "long time no see" where the connection to something weird or racist is so long gone that it's just a fixed phrase in the english language
but basically all terminology to come from 4chan is still strongly associated with that very ableist racist etc kind of space
vital night
there are situations like with "long time no see" where the connection to someth...
Yeah I’m not saying it’s that either
potent tree
A lot of this sounds very disingenuous to me when people use "Jesus", "Christ" and "Jesus Christ" in the same vein as swears, seemingly not giving a single thought to how that might affect people
Same goes for "Karen", "Chad", etc.
vagrant crane
i think karen and chad are also dubious terminology
potent tree
That's a sincere thumbs up btw
vital night
I’ve just heard it being used without connecting to its origin quite a lot, so I think banning its use based on its origin is a tiny bit silly. Again, I completely understand the reasoning. Just seems to be a little overreacting when it’s as disconnected as it is, to me.
vagrant crane
but variations on jesus or god as an expletive are so constant and embedded in general anglophone culture that i dont think its really actually "taking the lords name in vain" or whatever
vital night
People still take offense with it on those grounds though
potent tree
but variations on jesus or god as an expletive are so constant and embedded in g...
That may be the case, but it sure causes me stress at any rate
vagrant crane
maybe so but even at my religious school the teachers would still go jesus christ or whatever
granted it was a jewish school
vital night
That doesn’t even count lol
errant narwhal
thats even stranger
vagrant crane
its just divorced from its religious origin
potent tree
Well, sorta kinda not really LOL. Israel is the peoples who killed the messiah
analog mauve
thats even stranger <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
😭
vital night
I assume they don’t place any particular holiness on Christ as the messiah, so there’s no reason to have an issue with it
potent tree
its just divorced from its religious origin
Feel like that's a hard argument to make: that's literally the name of the one the Christians worship
vagrant crane
but stuff like karen is still used in the misogynistic context of its origin and chad keeps the same value judgements as it was originally meant to indicate
jolly chasm
Well, sorta kinda not really LOL. Israel *is* the peoples who killed the messiah
Didn’t the Romans kill Jesus?
analog mauve
bro tryna push hades 3
vital night
Wait that would go hard
errant narwhal
it definitely depends on what a specific person finds offensive - but as a general rule, yes, try not to say curse words here. its simpler than you might think and you get used to it fast
also its probably time to move on from this conversation since talk of religion can get heated
vagrant crane
it should do the jesus mod whenever ur low hp
vital night
What’s the lord’s move set
analog mauve
whatd the jesus mod
jolly chasm
Caesar was long dead before Jesus was killed
potent tree
Wait hold up. I'm mixing up a word
vital night
it definitely depends on what a specific person finds offensive - but as a gener...
Agreed. That stuff belongs in speedcord :croven:
errant narwhal
potent tree
Pilate, not Caesar sorry
errant narwhal
godspeed speedcord
vital night
This isn’t even hades anymore
analog mauve
gemtry
vagrant crane
it flashes jesus and does a bell sound whenever ur low hp
vital night
Hades dash
analog mauve
geometry
vagrant crane
the original video is from minecraft
and that ones so funny too because the server is so clearly insanely laggy
jolly chasm
analog mauve
ohh i se
vagrant crane
that ones not hte original though
it was like
survival
and the guy was trying to get away
but the blocks wouldnt mine
and it was so funny
jolly chasm
Idk, I just found this one in another server lmao
vagrant crane
ok guys dont talk to me anymore i have an essay on rip van losekle due in 2 hours
potent tree
its just divorced from its religious origin
Oh wait I forgot a thought. What bothers me is that somehow with Christianity people get kinda callous. Is like "Oh, it's just how it is" rather than "Oh shoot, the name's precious to you. Sorry!"
vital night
i havent spelt in 30 hours <:moyai_cigar:1232594767611826196>
This is great
potent tree
Oh shoot sorry essay and such
errant narwhal
ok guys dont talk to me anymore i have an essay on rip van losekle due in 2 hour...
good luck 
vital night
Rip van Beowulf
analog mauve
This is great
it is i dont even feel sleepy
errant narwhal
everybody go sleep study and stay (on topic)
vagrant crane
it sucks when ur birthday is ona d ay u have loads of homework cause i got home from dinner and had to immediately start grinding out a quiz and linear algebra prep and an essay and i have a spanish study guide to do as well
vital night
On topic: we need more new heat runners.
vagrant crane
no we dont
potent tree
everybody go sleep study and stay (on topic)
This coming from Ms. Sleep Schedule herself pfffffff
analog mauve
happy birbda
vital night
Hbd yeah
analog mauve
birtday
jolly chasm
More speedrunners
potent tree
Happy birthday!
analog mauve
‼️
vital night
Speedrunning to heat speed to heat pipeline
vagrant crane
boonless mirrorless to heat to speed pipeline
vagrant crane
central water source to my shower pipeline
vital night
Heat to high heat to boiling point pipeline
I love how we can’t stay on topic and have high quality discussion
It’s one or the other
analog mauve
potent tree
I blame AD
vital night
Course
errant narwhal
what did i do 
jolly chasm
How quickly things change
vital night
Not ban us ofc
jolly chasm
what did i do <:thewhat:666759571343147024>
You tried to make us stay on topic 
errant narwhal
its up in the air 
vital night
Decreasing the quality of discussion ^^
analog mauve
zagreus hammer aspect of moderator
vital night
Kind of
jolly chasm
I was gonna put Zag salute on a message early, then I remembered Zyru made it
potent tree
What exactly differentiates this channel and #h1-discussion ?
vital night
Wut
jolly chasm
Why did I have to see this
analog mauve
😭
vital night
What exactly differentiates this channel and <#520429929721233464> ?
This is for discussion about builds and combat of course.
analog mauve
stickybot knows whats up
jolly chasm
This channel is mostly used for the pins ngl
potent tree
The flow of discussion is convoluted in Supergiant Games Discord tbh
analog mauve
in the hades channels its usually just us 3-4-5
jolly chasm
Jazz started boosting instead of doing her essay lmao
analog mauve
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1288362428022784091/i...
add #h1-tech-support , can sometimes see really funny stuff there
potent tree
Nothing as shrimple as procrastination
analog mauve
so real
vagrant crane
the issue is i dont actually wanna read this through
so i think i wont and ill just quote mine when i feel like it
the most important version of the text is the one that i make up in my head that goes along with my thesis
analog mauve
me whos 4 weeks into my 8 week project and havent started yet
potent tree
Poor AD LOL
analog mauve
60 heat first
vagrant crane
i had a project i was meant to work on over like 10 weeks and i crammed it all in the very last day and got a 90
the lesson is never try
analog mauve
based
potent tree
the lesson is never try
Except at Hades Beo runs, ofc
jolly chasm
Except at Hades Beo runs, ofc
Only thing that matters
errant narwhal
you gotta do your project and then 60 heat
analog mauve
remember last october where i basically skipped uni the whole month to play hades
errant narwhal
like eating your veggies
vagrant crane
the trick is to be in high school instead
errant narwhal
the trick is to not be in school
analog mauve
i did that entire months worth in 3 days and 2 nights and did better than half the class
analog mauve
the trick is to not be in school <:zaggrin:1012805270776316078>
real
vital night
I wish I had started hades in high school lol
vagrant crane
better than half the class doesnt sound like a strong performance ngl
vital night
i did that entire months worth in 3 days and 2 nights and did better than half t...
Above average?
potent tree
Oh to have young people reaction time
vagrant crane
imagine not having access to the elixir of life
potent tree
Share, pls
vagrant crane
sorry all mine
jolly chasm
It’s called coffee for those unaware
potent tree
I am so, so ill right now. jazz, pls. plssssss
analog mauve
It’s called coffee for those unaware
thats a funny way to spell sand
errant narwhal
responsibilities first and #Gaming second... please...
vagrant crane
real sand chugger hours
potent tree
I can feel AD being antsy from here LOL
vagrant crane
when that first granule hits
errant narwhal
well, do as i say not as i do bc i have been putting off some chores 🕵️
vagrant crane
potent tree
Respect for AD 📉 
jolly chasm
vagrant crane
i respect BC more
potent tree
Very expensive place to live though tbh
jolly chasm
I’m a CE fan ngl
vagrant crane
Very expensive place to live though tbh
the trick is to get lucky
analog mauve
wow cheat engine
vagrant crane
then you get to live to 50
vagrant crane
responsibilities first and #Gaming second... please...
theres only one work that matters and its math homework
errant narwhal
now im scared
potent tree
Return to the warm embrace of FFXIV
analog mauve
netflix seems to be making anime adaptations of a bunch of games lately was wishing id see hades there
jolly chasm
Return to the warm embrace of FFXIV
I can’t play it 😔
potent tree
Oh I was addressing AD, but you too! No excuses
vagrant crane
return to the warm embrace of determinant
analog mauve
a hades anime in the trailer artstyle would go hard
potent tree
Srs question for jazz, who should be essaying: do you feel like your math education is kinda algorithmic, or do you feel like you understand the language?
jolly chasm
a hades anime in the trailer artstyle would go hard
The anime would prob have terrible builds
vagrant crane
i think i understand whats going on in my math classes
i have the best teacher ever
vagrant crane
and i get to have her for the next 3 semesters
intro to proofs and then real analysis
potent tree
Trailer: edgelord. Actual game: 🤓
vagrant crane
but then i have to go to college and have some professor who probably will never talk to me individually
jolly chasm
We have finally circled back to Hades lmao
vagrant crane
so thats less fortunate
and then the plan is to get a phd and become the professor who never talks to students individually
perpetuate the cycle
vagrant crane
yeah
analog mauve
nice
jolly chasm
Math kinda fun ngl
vagrant crane
ive wanted to do it for many years
i think english like literature and stuff also seems like an interesting idea
and linguistics
potent tree
And essaying
analog mauve
atleast you have it all figuredc out
vagrant crane
i dont get why people associate science and math
vital night
and linguistics
Math major linguistics minor would go hard
vagrant crane
math is so amazing and science is so terrible
vagrant crane
science would only be good if it was completely divorced from reality and any experimentation or anything
analog mauve
everything uses math its what everything relies upon
vital night
You can do science without math
vagrant crane
that sounds actually horrendous
thats like
biology
none of the remotely decent parts of science and all of the utter garbage
vital night
I do be studying biology of sorts
vagrant crane
And essaying
turns out its only an analytical paragraph so i can probably procrastinate till 11 30
alright here
ill start a stopwatch and see how long it takes me to wrap this guy up
at present i have an introduction and a thesis
potent tree
As a former tutor, I'd just like to say I regret everything LOL
potent tree
revile?
potent tree
Aww yiss still got it
vagrant crane
alright im beginning to think my thesis is insufficiently supported by the text
but i dont care
actually nope i can flip it
win
potent tree
Now there's a future post-doc
vagrant crane
paraphrases the indisputable goat of unsupported statements
you can say postbellum as the antonym of antebellum right
well you probably can
hooray for productive language usage
anyways that was 11 min 40 sec
and if i did bad ill just redo it so
vital night
you can say postbellum as the antonym of antebellum right
Yeah it’s a word
potent tree
Speedrunning essays wow
vital night
anyways that was 11 min 40 sec
Try to sheet next time
vital night
What
Antithesis?
I feel like there’s a word similar to corollary that would fit there
Inverse maybe
vagrant crane
perhaps
i went with the low brow “opposite”
but it was in a comment and not the paragraph itself so it’s fine
potent tree
How positively pedestrian
vagrant crane
i feel immense brain fog whenever i try to recall a word
i know it exists
but i can’t bring it up
vital night
Brains are 99% fog anyways
Atoms are 99.99999999% empty space so brains are by definition empty
potent tree
I understand that feeling! I'm so jealous of people who have huge vocabs at their beck and call
I'm more into syntax
lucid oar
intro to proofs and then real analysis
what’s your degree
vagrant crane
what’s your degree
i am in high school
lucid oar
wtf real analysis in high school
plain river
biology
Nah cuz bio is applied chem and chem is applied physics and physics is just applied math so it all boils down to math
You’ll be ok
vagrant crane
but applied is bad
plain river
idk what you mean
vagrant crane
applied math bad
vagrant crane
i would never do applied math
its either good math or something else
that is not stem
plain river
Jazz history prof
vagrant crane
im not into history
its not like
like bio or chem or something where its both bad and pointless
like i understand why i have to learn it and why its important
but its boring
plain river
…you just have a bad teacher if it’s boring tbh
vagrant crane
i mean my teacher is good
plain river
I had the best history teacher on the planet last year and
errant narwhal
I had a good history teacher in middle school, she was very nice
plain river
no AD just wants to talk about history (specifically the last 2000 years)
vagrant crane
true
my schooling history is complicated
right now im a junior in high school but this is my 5th year of high school
plain river
uhhhh
plain river
Dang
vagrant crane
so like i was technically in middle school
but i was like 10 in 8th grade
i had like
an ok teacher for that
although that was covid year so i just didnt do anything after like february
but its like
i mean i find what im doing rn in history to be more interesting than most stuff
because we're looking at like late 19th early 20th century in america and i can actually see and understand how that affects modern stuff
but learning like rome or whatever is just boring
lucid oar
Applied maths in bio is cool
lucid oar
Not really
Im doing a class on it next semester and the prereqs are ODEs, PDEs and dynamical systems
vagrant crane
that sounds like the math they do in physics
vagrant crane
i dont wanna do anything like
where id have to do a lab or something
labs are at least half of why i hate science
vital night
It’s crazy that you have the same attitude towards 3/4 of STEM and 3/4 of the aspects in the game
potent tree
labs are at least half of why i hate science
Honestly, fair. Labs are pretty tiring
Oh goodness I remember a classmate threw waste solution into the wrong bottle: he disposed of it in a new, fresh bottle of solution. Hundreds of dollars down the drain!
lucid oar
I have labs but not sciencey labs
potent tree
How's that?
lucid oar
Latex 
potent tree
I'm...not following!
vagrant crane
how do u do labs for latex
potent tree
Oh, the language LaTeX. I was thinking of the material
analog mauve
I have labs but not sciencey labs
same
potent tree
I've been made aware that I said something last night in this channel that could be rather mean, and I'd like to apologize!
rose nexus
I accept
analog mauve
whaaaat
vagrant crane
Srs question for jazz, who should be essaying: do you feel like your math educat...
ok now im not understanding but i think everyone is not understanding
we're doing change of basis and matrices and its melting my brain
hearty idol
Nah cuz bio is applied chem and chem is applied physics and physics is just appl...
that's so real lol
potent tree
Matrices are not very intuitive hah! They seem very useful though. You're making me wanna relearn math! 👉👈
rose nexus
Matrices got old real quick
vital night
I've been made aware that I said something last night in this channel that could...
what
jolly chasm
I too would like to know, again, DM if necessary
lucid oar
we're doing change of basis and matrices and its melting my brain
Watch 3blue1brown essence of linear algebra
potent tree
3b1b is amaaaazing
vagrant crane
my teacher assigns us 3b1b videos for some pre assignments
but sometimes u just gotta spend an hour of class time to figure out what this means https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1288897375728828456/image.png?ex=66f6dab8&is=66f58938&hm=9358f6b788c4e8d508540e1b81a9cd7c07ef577b498299afb43f9e87ec12e1be&
vital night
Yep
lucid oar
this is changing basis to make a transformation easier
kinda like
if you had a bunch of french words and wanted to make a french sentence, it would be easier to translate those words to English (change basis), form the sentence (linear transformation) and translate to French (undo the change of basis)
idk
maybe a bad analogy
potent tree
Simply reduce the mass of your planet to lighten the load on your shoulders
vagrant crane
yea i understand what its doing but its just complicated to figure which matrix will do what to what
vital night
i had a nice intuitive way to think about it but that was 3 years ago and i haven't touched linear alg since
tight basin
What build is linear algebra
tight basin
i had a nice intuitive way to think about it but that was 3 years ago and i have...
Mood ngl
jolly chasm
What build is linear algebra
Beo. It’s always Beo
tight basin
Makes sense
vital night
Beo. It’s always Beo
Global damage boost is just taking a matrix of damage sources and multiplying by a scalar
still vortex
Global damage boost is just taking a matrix of damage sources and multiplying by...
i see wut you did thar
vital night
I don’t 
verbal quarry
build for the bow?
errant narwhal
i always use hera bow with aphrodite's cast
the level doesnt even matter that much
verbal quarry
i always use hera bow with aphrodite's cast
alr thx
potent tree
Zagbow with Aphrodite's attack to start is always a great, comfy build. Twin Shot or Triple Shot hammers for extra damage are great too
I can't believe we're not just talking about jazz's schoolwork 
vagrant crane
im currently doing the worst busywork ive ever done
i think the entire curriculum for this class was lifted from a public elementary school
analog mauve
vagrant crane
its real
this assignment thinks i cant figure out what hydrophilic means
chem and physics were annoying but at least then my meagre intelligence wasnt so flagrantly disrespected
potent tree
jazz literally too cool for school
brittle comet
vagrant crane
link
lunar lynx
Which God has the best boons for rail gun?
For aspect of Eris
I’m about to enter Elysium now
I have Aphrodite and Zeus boons
analog mauve
For aspect of Eris
what
lunar lynx
Eris
analog mauve
zeus
modern glade
What boons are suitable for beowulf
lucid oar
What boons are suitable for beowulf
Mirage shot is the best one
modern glade
Mirage shot is the best one
How about the attack? (Does it matter actually?)
modern glade
Mirage shot is a duo boon right. So i need to use Artemis attack and Poseidon cast in order to get mirage shot?
Or Artemis cast and Poseidon attack? Or it doesn't matter?
proper furnace
Mirage shot is a duo boon right. So i need to use Artemis attack and Poseidon ca...
Start pos attack then ideally arty atk yeah
You can use other arty cores to open mirage if atk doesn't show up
(dash doesn't work tho)
modern glade
So the important part is poseidon attack, artemis' boon doesn't matter that much?
proper furnace
Oopps I meant cast lmfao
Pos cast
Pos cast then yeah just open mirage
Is bugged on flares so the 2nd cast doesn't have the dmg reduced
So it just doubles your dmg
analog mauve
Start pos attack then ideally arty atk yeah
proper furnace
Idk how I made that mistake lmao
plain river
So the important part is poseidon attack, artemis' boon doesn't matter that much...
Poseidon’s attack is not something you want to run on beowulf
or like… on anything else for that matter
His cast 100% is