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#h1-builds-and-combat
devout roost
proper furnace
Do you prefer slowrunning 
devout roost
yes
devout roost
3m4
proper furnace
Bruh
proper furnace
Just do beowulf ig, wait is this RI on too
devout roost
Just do beowulf ig, wait is this RI on too
ri1
proper furnace
Ik you hate td but do at least lvl 2 so you can drop that lmao
devout roost
so you expect me to finish in 28 minutes
proper furnace
Just do beowulf ig, wait is this RI on too
But yeah if you wanna do em4, beo is legit one of the best at the fight
devout roost
But yeah if you wanna do em4, beo is legit one of the best at the fight
beo is like not even upgraded
but i dont think people use it for the upgrade anyways
proper furnace
so you expect me to finish in 28 minutes
I'd expect you to do 20 mins if you didn't have +enemies/+hp
devout roost
I'd expect you to do 20 mins if you didn't have +enemies/+hp
i expect 40 minutes
best
proper furnace
Wait you do all tunnels in styx right
devout roost
yea
proper furnace
There's your biggest time save
devout roost
oh
proper furnace
Styx normal rooms take forever
devout roost
well the thing is i never used beo before cuz i was too lazy trying to get all duos
proper furnace
beo is like not even upgraded
Also yeah, the upgrade helps but not fully necessary
devout roost
i have like 2 left but they aint givingme
proper furnace
If you do ri0/ap0 you could probably just do flood flare mirage shot
Dealing with super dad is a pain in the ass so just out dps him
proper furnace
Absolutely not
devout roost
okky convenience fee then
proper furnace
In general I'd advise against super dad but if you hate timer that much there isn't much I can rec lmao
6 heat is a lot
devout roost
well nah i cant really do it under 5 mins
proper furnace
What's your usual clearing time
And discount like at min 3+ mins from styx
Or wait if you really want no timer you probably could do hestia
That way you can up ap/ri without a lot of issue and just play it super safe
devout roost
oh i was too busy dying at tartarus
hold on let me check
blade 28 spear 31 shield 28 bow 26 fists 28 and the shooty thingy 26
so basically 25+ and i cant to 28 with 30 heat
wtf mirage shot in tartarus
woeful marsh
devout roost
zeus special
urban echo
Is Zeus shield dependent on player skill or it’s generally just the best shield? As someone who pretty much mains chaos shield (which I’m still confused on how everyone hates it) I do better with it compared to Zeus.
Like yeah charged shot is very good for obvious reasons but I don’t see the point running the special if I can’t even position it correctly. I feel like vets or extremely good speed runners can use this thing to the best of its ability.
potent tree
Zeus shield really wants you to micromanage the Special
plain river
Is Zeus shield dependent on player skill or it’s generally just the best shield?...
It heavily requires player skill to be excellent
Otherwise it’s still kinda the best shield that isn’t beowulf
rose nexus
The special micromanagement is what makes it so high skill ceiling
tight basin
Is Zeus shield dependent on player skill or it’s generally just the best shield?...
dependent on player skill but it's not considered the best shield since beowulf exists lmao
it takes some time to learn but i think i think it's easier to learn once you learn more game mechanics in general
like once you get better with enemy timings and have very consistent runs
bc for me personally, i dont think i used it until i was extremely familiar with the game in general
potent tree
Sometimes, you throw the shield just right so it overlaps where an enemy stands for a good few seconds 
tight basin
and it was difficult but it didn't seem that difficult for me, it took a handful of runs to figure it out for me
also iirc i figured out the good combo out for myself and then stopped using it when i saw how angel used it bc i assumed that was better lmao
vital night
Is Zeus shield dependent on player skill or it’s generally just the best shield?...
Explosive return is usually a more synergistic hammer with Zeus
Also it’s a really good aspect so it still slaps when played suboptimally
tight basin
can confirm
urban echo
Sorry guys I fell asleep. Gonna give it more runs.
urban echo
Explosive return is usually a more synergistic hammer with Zeus
ahh I see
urban echo
I beat the game with Zeus Shield for the first time. Sudden Rush really helps me with charged shot. I need more practice but I managed to not die a single time so that’s progress
Using special during hades fire piller is pretty crazy. I see the hype now lol
analog mauve
i dont see the hype
vital night
literally so much hyp
jolly chasm
Beo needs more hype ngl
tight basin
It needs less ngl
rose nexus
Chiron needs more hype frfr
proper furnace
Chiron needs to be forgotten
analog mauve
whats chiron
vital night
Where my chaosers at
zenith fractal
whats chiron
chigone
deep thorn
whats a good build for hera aspect
rose nexus
whats a good build for hera aspect
Crush shot, and hope for chaos cast buffs and wells with cast items
deep thorn
crush shot is whos boon?
rose nexus
Aphrodite
rose nexus
Big damage
deep thorn
oo love big damage
rose nexus
Normally the short range of it balances that out but on hera that downside is gone
rose nexus
If you don’t have much blood invested in Hera it might be better to use the Stygian Soul mirror talent and then use Dionysus cast instead
rose nexus
is it worth using aphrodites keepsake running hera?
That would be your best shot at starting with crush shot yes
deep thorn
i only have the first level of hera
rose nexus
Stygian soul and Dionysus cast is better then
Otherwise you’ll be standing around waiting for your bloodstone to pop out
proper furnace
Stygian soul and Dionysus cast is better then
Just one shot the enemies tbh
urban echo
What makes aspect of Dem the best fist weapon? Is it the special? Heard it was the best one
rose nexus
Yes
At least, in my opinion it’s the best one
And the bonus specials are a big part of why
urban echo
And the bonus specials are a big part of why
Ooh. So aspect of Zag benefits from the multi hits more than Dem does right?
Idk if the attack strat applies to dem as well or you mix it up with the ability if that’s the intended purpose
proper furnace
What makes aspect of Dem the best fist weapon? Is it the special? Heard it was t...
Best build for fists is merciful end
Demeter fists are the only ones that provide some dmg before you get the duo
And charged uppers can still do some chunk, especially with explosive upper
urban echo
And charged uppers can still do some chunk, especially with explosive upper
Ooh. Thanks. I finally got used to aspect of zag so I thought I’d try a better version
Matter of fact last time I ran fists was early game. I never tried it with fates persuasion and duo boons. Might as well run it again for a bit
Also Ares is one of those gods that favor big hits rather that multi right? He makes the special deal good dmg I assume
devout roost
Also Ares is one of those gods that favor big hits rather that multi right? He m...
not really, I would argue ares is the worst god. Doom effect can be very useful if youre a beginner since it is free "big" damage, but for a decent player, getting a boon from another god and striking would deal lot more damage
urban echo
not really, I would argue ares is the worst god. Doom effect can be very useful ...
Oh I see. If you were to rank the gods from best to worst who would it be?
devout roost
Oh I see. If you were to rank the gods from best to worst who would it be?
depends on the weapon, but generally you will never find aphrodite bad and poseidon tdash is pretty strong
proper furnace
Also Ares is one of those gods that favor big hits rather that multi right? He m...
The best builds just care that you can dash strike effectively like fists
Merciful end makes it so deflect abilities instantly drop doom, so if you get duo and divine dash you can just spam dash strikes to apply and drop doom super fast
urban echo
Merciful end makes it so deflect abilities instantly drop doom, so if you get du...
Ahh I understand now. I just realized I was using merciful end in the wrong way. I’ll do it with Divine dash this time.
urban echo
depends on the weapon, but *generally* you will never find aphrodite bad and pos...
Yeah that makes sense now that I think about it
Thanks guys 🙏🏾
proper furnace
Ahh I understand now. I just realized I was using merciful end in the wrong way....
Just keep in mind you still need divine flourish to get the duo
urban echo
My jaw just dropped when I one shotted an armored sneak. I see why dem fist is crazy
urban echo
Just keep in mind you still need divine flourish to get the duo
Ahh alright! Thanks
plain river
What makes aspect of Dem the best fist weapon? Is it the special? Heard it was t...
Yeah. Every other fist doesn’t really have anything going for it damage wise, and demeter special is just free bonus damage
especially before your build gets online
urban echo
Yeah. Every other fist doesn’t really have anything going for it damage wise, an...
Have you ever beaten the game with fist using lasting consequences? I turned up the heat today and those butterflies enemies at elysium really pack a punch against me
Fist is awesome but I take way too much damage. I wanna learn how to minimize that. It came to a surprise for me that aspect of zag wasn’t the best choice since survivability seems like the main weakness in this weapon.
plain river
Have you ever beaten the game with fist using lasting consequences? I turned up ...
Yes
The most recent victory screen I have with it is a meme run
urban echo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1198376155791753236/...
Wow that’s amazing. You really are awesome at this game lol
vital night
Wow that’s amazing. You really are awesome at this game lol
Fist with dem attack is not even that great tbh
LC4 is pretty standard at 32+ heat
urban echo
Fist with dem attack is not even that great tbh
The thought of 32 heat seems impossible for someone at my level atm. However I can make it to thesus on 18 heat. That’s pretty much as far I can go atm with dem fist
Zeus attack with aphro smoldering air has been good for me so far. Just need to get better at not getting hit on Elysium.
urban echo
Fist with dem attack is not even that great tbh
Yeah I know. Just kind of tired of abusing the shield mechanics. I feel like I can do 18 heat with shield weapon.
vital night
Fair
plain river
Also Ares is one of those gods that favor big hits rather that multi right? He m...
Absolutely not
Ares is flat damage he wants to be on something quick
tight basin
"quick" in the sense of ME lmao
plain river
Oh I see. If you were to rank the gods from best to worst who would it be?
This is an insanely weapon dependent thing, as fast hitting weapons value flat damage way more, vice versa for harder hits, and every weapon usually has one fast hitter and one heavier hitting of attack and special. If I really had to pick one, demeter in general fits in the least on any weapons builds though like
tight basin
Unironically idk what aspect/weapon actually likes ares attack without ME except like Zeus shield
plain river
Like sure she’s high +% but she’s just outclassed by other +% goddesses and doesn’t have good duos for synergy
plain river
Snurst and what
plain river
Beo snurst?
tight basin
Yeah
Ice wine on Achilles is solid tho
3rd best option bc the real downside is having to take a Dem core lmao
vital night
Oh I see. If you were to rank the gods from best to worst who would it be?
zeus/aphro/arty, dio/ares/athena/poseidon, demeter
there's really only 3 tiers of gods in the game. core damage gods, good support gods, and demeter
plain river
Fist is awesome but I take way too much damage. I wanna learn how to minimize th...
tbh survivability becomes less and less of an issue as you get better at the game, and a 15% dodge chance is like the least reliable way to boost your survivability like
damage solves
the sooner you take out enemies the less hits you’ll take in return
how on earth did I mess up my apostrophy
vital night
and in a HL5 LC4 situation, you can't rely on being able to dodge a one shot 15% of the time
urban echo
Ah I understand. Yeah I kind of figured that I was making excuses on aspect of zag. I’ll see if I can improve with dem
plain river
Ah I understand. Yeah I kind of figured that I was making excuses on aspect of z...
Zag is still like the second best fit btw
vital night
i mean both work, dem is just stronger
plain river
it’s just lacking the burst option of dem special
demeter also just increases the value of all the hammers you pick up because you can make so much more use of more hammers tbh
urban echo
yeah I found explosive hammer really good since I can’t find breaching cross
plain river
any dash-strike damage or special bonuses you get from chaos are huge
vital night
explosive build goes hard with arty special
devout roost
yeah I found explosive hammer really good since I can’t find breaching cross
do ur server name aspect of andre or something cuz names starting with "aspect of" are cool here
urban echo
do ur server name aspect of andre or something cuz names starting with "aspect o...
My aspect would be the worst in the game lmao
devout roost
My aspect would be the worst in the game lmao
aspect of cool guy
jolly chasm
Aspect of Beo :)
smoky creek
Question: Does Artemis' boon Pressure Points affect the Hangover damage from Dionysus' boons?
vital night
Question: Does Artemis' boon Pressure Points affect the Hangover damage from Dio...
Yes
smoky creek
NICE. Thank you.
rose nexus
We have #h1-victory-boasting where you can post these
rigid surge
im sorry
rose nexus
It’s ok just letting you know
analog mauve
by definition everything is a build
plain river
like i want to experiance a new build
What have you tried so far
analog mauve
woah im 99% sure i replied to shackles message in #h1-for-new-players
idk how it ended up here
quiet sleet
What have you tried so far
umm hunting blades
the usual
erciful end
crits
everything related to chiron
except zeus
on chiron
ill try that
plain river
The internal cooldown of zeus boons means lightning bolts only strike once every 0.2seconds from a given source
quiet sleet
shoot
plain river
yeah there are
you seem to have missed anything smouldering air, zeus on rail, any cast builds aside from hunting blades
quiet sleet
you seem to have missed anything smouldering air, zeus on rail, any cast builds ...
rail?
plain river
anything hangover
quiet sleet
anything hangover
ive done tooooo much hangover
plain river
hmm
quiet sleet
ill try again
quiet sleet
what good fun builds are there with rama?
plain river
I mean go do any of the other things I mentioned first
quiet sleet
i did smoldering air
quiet sleet
and like cast as in lightning phalnx and demeters
plain river
Rama does good with something closer to like smouldering air escue tbh-
Aphrodite strike, zeus special, and either zeus or dionysus call
quiet sleet
Aphrodite strike, zeus special, and either zeus or dionysus call
ill try that
plain river
and like cast as in lightning phalnx and demeters
Lightning phalanx on what
on which aspect
Have you done beo or hera builds?
quiet sleet
Have you done beo or hera builds?
way tooo many
quiet sleet
on which aspect
achelies
plain river
Right
Have you tried just generic hestia / spreadfire zag rail / generic lucifer builds
or eris flat damage soup
rail’s pretty nice because you can kinda spin each aspect a very different way
quiet sleet
rail’s pretty nice because you can kinda spin each aspect a very different way
ive done hestia
but the other aspects
are underlevel
plain river
are underlevel
How underleveled
Because you don’t need them maxed to run builds with them
plain river
K
I mean that doesn’t stop them from working it just makes them a bit more underwhelmingp
quiet sleet
I mean that doesn’t stop them from working it just makes them a bit more underwh...
yeah
like the lucifer
the bombs do no dmg
plain river
That’s enough like
as long as you’re using it right you should get by
Exploding bombs asap
quiet sleet
i do
plain river
using lightning strike and tidal dash to accomplish that
plain river
hmm
plain river
spin and special builds for the spears are a thing too
quiet sleet
spin and special builds for the spears are a thing too
i have not unlocked any aspects
other than achelies
i was thinking of zag
next
plain river
Achilles can do spin builds, but it’s just something different rather than something good
you could try shackle builds 
quiet sleet
arent they hard?
quiet sleet
ik... im garbage tho...
plain river
I was too when I started doing them
quiet sleet
im only at 12 heat
quiet sleet
i dunno
quiet sleet
Just run it at whatever heat you’re at like
ill try hestia with shackle then
quiet sleet
you shouldn’t be
ig.
quiet sleet
mhmm
plain river
it just means when you win you’re all the better for it
spiral rune
Whats best aspect for shield
vital night
Whats best aspect for shield
Zeus or Beowulf
Chaos is undeniably the worst and Zagshield is fine with charged shot
spiral rune
Zeus or Beowulf
But zeus kinda slow
Is it actually good?
What build should i use with zeus
plain river
Is it actually good?
Yes
spiral rune
Also is achilles spear good
vital night
What build should i use with zeus
Zeus special, static discharge, and whatever other flat damage you can get
Pressure points and hunters mark, ruthless reflex, billowing strength, hyper delivery for global boost
spiral rune
Zeus special, static discharge, and whatever other flat damage you can get
Alright ty
vital night
But zeus kinda slow
Slow and consistent damage is the whole deal
spiral rune
Slow and consistent damage is the whole deal
Okay imma try it then
night thunder
what would be a good money build?
rose nexus
Well, there’s only one weapon that benefits from money in any way, and that’s the sword with hoarding slash hammer
Money is best spent not hoarded, though
If you’re trying to buy the diamond or titan blood in Styx, your runs will suffer for it
vital night
what would be a good money build?
Something that’s ok having only a few boons
Hestia with tidal dash start can basically take any hammers and any %boons on attack and special and be fine
Just don’t buy anything and you’ll be fine
proper furnace
open all the duos and sell them too 
plain river
what would be a good money build?
Honestly
any weapon with tidal dash because then you can grab poseidons secondary boons
and tidal dash is just strong
and then take every chaos you can for either bonus gold or whatever can actually be useful for your weapon
I’ve had the most sucesss with weapons that aren’t sword, even kicking around 3000 obols I wasn’t impressed by it with hoarding slash
spiral rune
what boons should i pick for achilles spear
woeful grove
What's a fun weapon aspect to play
molten sable
what boons should i pick for achilles spear
artemis attack is easily the best attack imo as achilles already gives insane % bonuses so you want crits, i personally enjoy building hunting blades for the funny 150% cast damage boost
i don’t remember much about h1 sorry
proper furnace
Pretty much checks out as best build for it lol
You wanna add flurry jab
Can also start tidal dash then pivot from what you get
Arty/ares> H.blades
Zeus/athena> L.phalanx
molten sable
forgot about flurry jab lmao
proper furnace
What are your other options
proper furnace
Sure do flurry
quiet sleet
okay
jolly chasm
This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.
urban echo
Is there a way to boost the chance of a legendary boon appearing?
plain river
Is there a way to boost the chance of a legendary boon appearing?
Rarity boosting chaos, Yarn of Ariadne, Refreshing Nectar, Fated Persuasion, God’s Legacy (least recommended)
devout roost
Rarity boosting chaos, Yarn of Ariadne, Refreshing Nectar, Fated Persuasion, God...
gods legacy is for cool duo stuff tho
plain river
gods legacy is for cool duo stuff tho
It kinda suck at that
devout roost
It kinda suck at that
nah
analog mauve
its just that most duos suck
devout roost
duos suck expect some bloodstone builds or that one call duo with aphro and zeus
that thing is op i call every 10 second and i get a 10 second buff cuz i called
raven frost
can blizzard shot apply rupture?
proper furnace
I think so??
plain river
duos suck expect some bloodstone builds or that one call duo with aphro and zeus
There are a ton of really good duos, but you don’t need god’s legacy to find them consistently
Your odds are pretty good, especially if you get the prerequisites early
rose nexus
Chaos rarity > legacy
plain river
Hermes rarity too
rose nexus
I meant the chaos boon that increases rarity :d
jolly chasm
Pride>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Legacy
devout roost
isnt personal liability like free heat or nah
proper furnace
I'd call it free like HS is
urban echo
How long did it take you guys to finish the legendary boon prophecy mission?
rose nexus
How long did it take you guys to finish the legendary boon prophecy mission?
Less than 50 runs total
Which ones are you missing?
urban echo
second wave. mostly boons i dont usually use in build making
rose nexus
You’ll get that one eventually just by starting Poseidon (which is a great start for many aspects) and taking the prerequisites
urban echo
Okay just double checked. Second Wave, Greater Recall, Bad News, and Winter harvest
rose nexus
The two Hermes ones you’ll wanna use god’s legacy mirror for
urban echo
Ooh
rose nexus
He has a really bad rate for them apparently, without any boosts. Its 1%
urban echo
Ah I see. I’ll run God’s legacy
vital night
Could use plume
rose nexus
To get them I used gods legacy and then plume in asphodel/elysium
vital night
So you can get them first Hermes
rose nexus
there’s one for each of the two cast mirror options
devout roost
Ah I see. I’ll run God’s legacy
yoo andre congrats u levelled up
spiral rune
whats a good build for demeter fists
plain river
whats a good build for demeter fists
Merciful end (ares strike / athena special /athena dash) >>> smouldering air (zeus strike/ aphrodite special/ zeus or dionysus aid) >>>>>> everything else
spiral spear
gday guys, usually i find something online to confirm my hunches but this time… idk
so:
Hermes boon: Side Hustle
Poseidon Boon: Ocean’s Bounty
any interaction there? (:
Side Hustle: ‘Each time you enter a Chamber, gain a bit of wealth’
Ocean’s Bounty: ‘ $$ Chamber rewards are worth more’
my brain wants it to mean nothing?
analog mauve
I don't think side hustle counts as a chamber reward
spiral spear
since a chamber
yeah that’s what i was typing(:
Thankyou mate, i just needed someone to confirm im not an idiot
analog mauve
I don't know how they would interact but it doesn't seem hard to test
spiral spear
hahhaha im literally sitting at the Poseidon boon screen, hence the question 😉
analog mauve
Ah lmao
spiral spear
thanks for the input mate(:
analog mauve
Wasn't of much help but no problem lol
potent tree
What a polite illicit drug 
proper furnace
How many bonuses would you need for side hustle to give 100+ per chamber if it worked
wheat imp
Decided to slowly climb the heat ladder to 32 with the Hestia rail
Rn my strategy is Artemis in main attack and Aphrodite for support (more health, weak, etc)
Any other things I should add to the build?
proper furnace
I'd go aphro attack instead
Also can't never go wrong with divine for dds or tidal(any damaging dash) so you don't get bullied by savior rooms
wheat imp
For dash I usually get Artemis for more damage or Aphro for weak
Also for keepsakes I'm doing Artie's, then Aphro's if she hadn't appeared yet, Persephone's otherwise and for Elysium, and Cerbie's for Styx
rose nexus
Also for keepsakes I'm doing Artie's, then Aphro's if she hadn't appeared yet, P...
I wouldn’t really recommend mom pom in asphodel, you could use purse if you already have your main gods lined up
analog mauve
epic/rare aphro attack + ddash or hunter dash and ur good to go
rose nexus
And acorn is worth much more hp than collar
analog mauve
always take chaos if you have atleast 1 roll
wheat imp
I'll keep all this in mind
analog mauve
do share your mirror and pact as well they make a huge difference
wheat imp
Highest heat with the rail is 16 rn with em4, td1, mm, fo1
rose nexus
Unless you just really like the em4 fight there’s smoother heat options
analog mauve
yes
wheat imp
Mirror has shadow presence, cthonic vitality, dd, greater reflex, boiling blood, infernal soul, deep pockets, thick skin, family favorite, dark foresight, God's legacy, fated persuasion
analog mauve
switch legacy to pride
wheat imp
Unless you just really like the em4 fight there’s smoother heat options
Ye I heard em4 Hades gets really hard real fast with some extra modifiers
rose nexus
Pride is better for things like hermes rarity, chaos rarity
analog mauve
hestia doesnt need duo boons
rose nexus
If your build really hinges on a certain duo it’s usually still better to use pride and fish for a chaos favor boon
But yeah Hestia doesn’t care so much for duos
wheat imp
for hestia use fiery presence
Isn't that worse for bosses?
rose nexus
Hestia is a lot better vs bosses than it is vs packed rooms
And fiery helps with those
analog mauve
fiery presence will let you 1 shot most stuff
wheat imp
Aight I tried all that. Scored a win against em4 fo2 Hades
Close one tho
I'll dial back em to 3 now
vital night
@fair notch for witches specifically, taking Athena’s keepsake and looking for anything from her will make witches really easy
Dash is ideal but attack and special can work too
vital night
Tidal dash is also really strong but dashing into projectiles when you aren’t careful can be dangerous
fair notch
i have yet to have a build that feels "good" on sword or bow. what boons should i be looking for on which attacks?
i don't have the 4th aspect yet for either
jolly chasm
Have you tried dash striking
fair notch
with the sword? dash strike feels incredibly bad
vagrant crane
dash strike is the only way to play sword
fair notch
yeah i thought nemesis was the best, the others are kinda boring
so what should i be looking for? aphro attack + artemis dash?
vagrant crane
sword is pretty versatile
aph or arty atk can work
tdash or hunter dash are both fine
fair notch
which is tdash
vagrant crane
tidal
night thunder
why Death Defiance over Stubborn?
vagrant crane
piercing wave is a good second hammer
vagrant crane
why Death Defiance over Stubborn?
more healing
stubborn gives you 30% extra in a boss
dds give you 150%
fair notch
3 heals on a boss you're struggling with is better than 1 per boss if you're good at the earlier bosses
night thunder
fair
vital night
why Death Defiance over Stubborn?
SD would be used if you're struggling with individual rooms more than bosses and/or if you remove healing with lasting consequences, since resetting to 30% is your only form of healing
fair notch
i have yet to have a build that feels "good" on sword or bow. what boons should ...
I've decided sword sucks and i don't want to bother with it anymore
vital night
it really doesn't 😔
fair notch
idk what's wrong with it, you don't get iframes on dash strikes with it or something
vital night
yeah you don't get iframes on dash strikes ever
fair notch
that's just not true
vital night
yeah it is
fair notch
while you're still dashing you have iframes
vital night
the one exception is delta chamber
plain river
i have yet to have a build that feels "good" on sword or bow. what boons should ...
Sword is understandable, bow… you’re probably building and/or playing it wrong
vital night
dashing has iframes but dash striking does not
fair notch
Sword is understandable, bow… you’re probably building and/or playing it wrong
exactly. i'm asking for how
dash striking with the fists has iframes
vital night
no it doesnt lol
fair notch
100% it does
vital night
you're wrong
fair notch
i've dashed through attacks with it and not taken damage
vital night
idk what to tell you
fair notch
the sword doesn't do that
vital night
are you using the base fists?
plain river
The second you hit the strike button while dashing you lose your iframes
until that point you still have them
fair notch
then how do you explain never getting hit by things while spamming dash attacks with fists
plain river
exactly. i'm asking for how
Building bow is like pretty dtraight forward for the most part. Try to get more and more strike damage, and you really want twin/triple shot to multiply your base damage. getting into specifics on builds would improve it, but even just starting with +% and going for good hammers is enough, the other half is actually playing bow thoug
It’s going to feel like trash if you’re standing striking
vital night
then how do you explain never getting hit by things while spamming dash attacks ...
you should show me a vod if you really believe this happened
vital night
are you using the base fists?
are you?
fair notch
yes? as opposed to what
vital night
any of the other aspects
fair notch
the aspects seemed terrible
vital night
not wrong tbf
plain river
demeter is the only real fist aspect
plain river
talos isn’t real, zagreus is like…. there, and gilgamesh isn’t real
plain river
then how do you explain never getting hit by things while spamming dash attacks ...
Oh I get what you mean but like half of that is your dash putting you on the other side of the enemy when they attack
vital night
we know how the game works. what you're describing is only explained by a few things and one of them is dodge chance
one of them is that you didn't percieve it correctly
and the last one is call iframes
plain river
Oh I get what you mean but like half of that is your dash putting you on the oth...
or the strike itself breaking projectikes
fair notch
it was basically the entire run where i barely got hit by anything while just spamming dashstrikes
plain river
You’ll get hit with projectiles more often on sword because it’s dash strike is just a straight line
and honestly just the way fists dash strike moves you aroujd
goes a long way
I don’t know how to explain that but it fundementally feels different to dstrike on fists and sword and
vital night
attacking unarmored enemies also stunlocks them
plain river
I don’t know how to explain that but it fundementally feels different to dstrike...
I think that’s part of it
fair notch
yeah sword just feels bad and feels like it misses half of the time
wheras with fists you can just dash around them in circles and every one of your hits lands
plain river
exactly. i'm asking for how
So your bow gameplay should look like [expunged]
plain river
wheras with fists you can just dash around them in circles and every one of your...
The “dash around is circles” is a good chunk of
you taking less damage tbh
plain river
So your bow gameplay should look like [expunged]
bow is a fast weapon as long as you’re fast with it
and it’s a melee weapon as long as you play it right
fair notch
what aspect for the bow?
molten sable
what aspect for the bow?
they’re playing zag
plain river
what aspect for the bow?
It’s zag but any work
Hera and Rama are your best bet for speed and heat respectively (aka they’re just strong, zagreus is pretty alright and chiron is easily the 4th best bow aspect
You can get success with every bow quite easily though
And they all build a bit differently so
try them all
It’s not like fists and sword where half the aspect just do nothing
they all have their own niche
and distinct playstyle
vital night
rama isn't good at speed, ocaml is
rose nexus
Who said Rama is good at speed
tight basin
rama isn't good at speed, ocaml is
shackle said "respectively" lol
he said rama's good for heat
vital night
i can't read ig
fair notch
Yeah all of them seemed useful, I put hera on mine because I don't really ever use my cast so making it part of the attack is nice
barren ledge
Never tried Chiron with Sea Storm on special before, it kinda slaps
vagrant crane
does it
vital night
It’s…ok
analog mauve
it does
vagrant crane
is it ok
vital night
It’s fine
vagrant crane
is it fine
barren ledge
Compared to other Chiron specials I've tried at least it seems better
vital night
Idk I’ve never really played Chiron
barren ledge
But of course it requires actually getting it
vital night
Could be true
vagrant crane
Compared to other Chiron specials I've tried at least it seems better
steaming garbage slightly better than heaping pile of trash
barren ledge
I got lucky with Chaos boon increasing boon rarity
analog mauve
sea storm chiron is fire
vagrant crane
is it
rose nexus
It’s better than Zeus special chiron due to not running into the cooldown
barren ledge
I would consider Chiron to be the worst Bow but compared to the other "worse" aspects of other weapons all the bows manage to be pretty fun
vital night
I think I probably have <5 clear on Chiron
rose nexus
Chiron is fun just not good or scalable
vital night
It’s better than Zeus special chiron due to not running into the cooldown
You still have to deal with the cooldown wdym
barren ledge
Actually explain this cooldown
I was wondering why Zeus special Chiron felt rather underwhelming
vagrant crane
Pretty sure the bolts will all spawn
nope
rose nexus
Rip then
vital night
Def not how that works
vagrant crane
chiron will always feel underwhelming because it’s garbage
vital night
Actually explain this cooldown
I was wondering why Zeus special Chiron felt rath...
You get 1-2 bolts yeah
barren ledge
Ah that's weird
vagrant crane
and particularly zeus special has a 0.2s cooldown
vital night
Chiron is not great yeah
rose nexus
The only Chiron build I really enjoyed was heart rend with Conc relentless
vital night
Arty special has potential if you get mega lucky with concentrated and relentless volley
Yeah that’s the strongest one for single target damage
rose nexus
But I’ve had some fun with dire misfortune ME
vital night
Hangover Chiron is better for room clear but at that point it doesn’t even matter that you’re playing Chiron
Arguably better to not
analog mauve
if ur going for sea storm chiron u want shoals asap
vital night
That sounds really rough
rose nexus
I had someone here helping me make decisions it went about as smoothly as any 32 Chiron could
Nyaanyaa I think
Was their name
Still painful though
analog mauve
the person ive always heard about but never seen
vagrant crane
she got banned
rose nexus
Oh that’s interesting
analog mauve
vine boom
tight basin
ngl chiron only feels bad once you learn the game better lmao
for casual players who don't follow the meta or whatever, chiron plays relatively smoothly since they're not playing as fast as the try hards
like before i got involved in the community, chiron felt fine bc i didn't know dash striking made bows good lmao
although i did like hera more since i always used crush shot on it since the start lmao
still vortex
What are some good low mirror low heat no titan blood builds for early clears
rose nexus
Flurry jab spear
Delta chamber rail
Those two hammers can line up a fairly easy win early on
Zeus attack in both cases
Charged shot shield with Aphrodite attack too
still vortex
k thanks, i'll be on the lookout. I'm used to lvl'd up weapons with full mirror, I forgot how hard early game is
vagrant crane
zeus attack
tidal dash
static discharge
pom tidal dash and static discharge
there u go
spiral rune
Aight thanks
urban echo
@tight basin I unlocked Gilgamesh today. I know dem is better but what’s your opinion on the aspect?
tight basin
Dash strikes are weird and the dashes are shorter but you get an extra one
Still not great but it exists lmao
ME is like the only good build on it but otherwise it's kinda just bad
Better off using Demeter
proper furnace
Dash strikes are weird and the dashes are shorter but you get an extra one
+2
tight basin
Oh oops lmao
jolly chasm
RR brain rot
rose nexus
Explosive upper gilga is fun
And then I die because I maimed the cloner speeder witches
tight basin
You should maim the double damage speeder shield bros
rose nexus
Shield bros are by far my most hated enemy
They have no business doing that much damage that fast
While also having a shield
proper furnace
I love how that applies to beo too
potent tree
Are you dashing through him? Are you playing near the pillars?
proper furnace
Ngl sometimes you just tank his charges with acorn
proper furnace
How am I supposed to dodge him
+dashes or hyper sprint from hermes always help
rose nexus
I hate trying to make him hit the pillars when he charges
I can dash right through the pillar
And he’ll go around
proper furnace
Dashing through him tends to work better
Sometimes I just double dash into a wall too
Can also use call iframes
urban echo
Dash strikes are weird and the dashes are shorter but you get an extra one
I already hate it. The endlag is annoying
I wonder if I’m using merciful end the wrong way. Every time I run it I can’t tell what makes it even good.
I was only using Gilgamesh for the mission thing
proper furnace
First of all are you picking divine dash after the duo?
urban echo
First of all are you picking divine dash after the duo?
I haven’t. Only because it’s hard to find Athena again after getting the duo.
proper furnace
Yeah w/o dash your output really drops
tight basin
I wonder if I’m using merciful end the wrong way. Every time I run it I can’t te...
Well it isn't good lmao
proper furnace
For fists at least you can make it slightly more tolerable
urban echo
Well it isn't good lmao
Ah I see. I heard it got nerfed long time ago
proper furnace
You can fit both a dash strike and a dash upper into one dash
So if you have the duo but no dash you can do that to squeeze some extra dmg
urban echo
Ahh alright
tight basin
Ah I see. I heard it got nerfed long time ago
It never got nerfed, it was just untested
proper furnace
I think they meant ME there?
tight basin
Oh
I thought they meant gilga lmfao
Okay yeah ME is the strongest duo lmao
Kinda need the dash to function tho
urban echo
Yeah ME sorry
urban echo
Ah that makes sense. I wasn’t around during beta so I didn’t know much about the patch notes
proper furnace
Deadly reversal also got rekt to the same ME pre reqs for whatever reason
And sea storm got the dash removed from pre reqs
proper furnace
Eris wasn't allowed a free duo 
proper furnace
And sea storm got the dash removed from pre reqs
The other interesting change from 1.0 to current version is dad call becoming 2 bars now
Used to be the standard 4
Oh yeah and the eris nerf
8s to 4s lmao
urban echo
oh wow 4? Why did they bring it down?
proper furnace
oh wow 4? Why did they bring it down?
+100% dmg on room entrance kinda funny
But I think the major point is that it used to work with smair
If you took the effort to get smair then dad call
Need smair pre reqs (call) > get duo > sell call > equip sigil
urban echo
Need smair pre reqs (call) > get duo > sell call > equip sigil
o wow
rose nexus
Epic gods pride shenanigans
vagrant crane
i feel like this would be much better as a doc
undone pumice
nah, trust me, it works better as a presentation
vagrant crane
also achilles is not best with stygian
and trippy or meme beam are definitely not the best with achilles
and you shouldnt use stygian for slicing
undone pumice
i'm just making a guide dude, personally, i use achillles on all those because it's simple to use, and does a heck of a lot of dammage.
vagrant crane
if you make a guide it should be accurate
if you say something is the best and then its not thats pretty misleading
undone pumice
what is better then? beowulf? i hate beowulf
vagrant crane
what is better then? beowulf? i hate beowulf
we're talking intra aspect here
undone pumice
we're talking intra aspect here
at least tell me what i should do, because just saying: "it's bad" isn't constructive, it's just criticism, and even that's cherry picking at best
vagrant crane
well on achilles you will basically always use infernal
and its a very versatile aspect so you dont really wanna proscribe a particular cast although slicing is probably the best
undone pumice
if you're gonna use a boon that lodges bloodstones, you use aspect of poseidon. i am just speaking from my own experiences, and i've found that for builds that don't lodge bloodstones i preffer spear of achilles. It's not like i'm spouting nonesense, it's not bad advice. i'm not going out and saying "use aspect of zagreus on everything", just because it's simple. The only good zagreus aspect is fists.
and the guide is not done, i still haven't even touched on curse builds like hangover rama and chiron, or merciful end fists.
vagrant crane
if you recommend chiron in your guide then i am very suspicious of your guide
undone pumice
This is a guide for 32 heat or below dude
i am no expert, it is advice i wish i had
I do have the platinum trophy for hades, around 100 hours, and i've beaten 32 heat. I'm not a noob, but not an expert.
vital night
I do have the platinum trophy for hades, around 100 hours, and i've beaten 32 he...
Respectfully, you are still a noob
If you just want to make something describing your favorite builds, that’s fair, but classifying it as a guide brings on standards that you should abide by, namely researching what’s optimal before you potentially lead others down the wrong path or spread misinformation.
vital night
Respectfully, you are still a noob
I’ll note that I wouldn’t consider myself experienced outside of 1-2 aspects, and I’m certainly a noob on Achilles
vital night
if you're gonna use a boon that lodges bloodstones, you use aspect of poseidon. ...
Anyways, for Achilles, infernal is recommended 99% of the time. You don’t want to rely on getting more casts when you want the upfront burst damage from stuff like hunting blades and lightning phalanx.
Achilles>>>Poseidon for cast builds simply because of the power difference.
Zagshield and bow are probably the best zag aspects. Fists don’t really exist since the dodge chance is really low.
undone pumice
): i guess. But my advice still has some value. I'll resend the link and change permissions again, i got my ego hurt, and was childish. But i will stand by my opinions. This guide is for 32 heat and below, and is advice of experience i wish i knew. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UUBt85D6xFnl3rtNjvAyYOWyGAA_SZtsC6gsU0wL8Uk/edit?usp=sharing
vagrant crane
if you want some references on other guides people have made
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit# this is a good one
and this is my list of sites that i have bookmarked https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ntEWKM0AN6UluJaFSM3V9_Q4zxKTDI79Ieajgc2iTqE/edit?usp=sharing
not up to date but thats not that important
vital night
Alright so I mean still, Achilles does not want Stygian with anything. In rooms, your boosted casts are killing everything quickly enough for you to pick them up before the next wave, and you really really need the bossing power from 3 casts
The stuff on the god pool is solid advice though
vagrant crane
yeah
i would probably put the other way to get more than 4 gods in your pool
in case people get confused
vagrant crane
which is to have 3 gods while going into a midshop and then buying a new god at the shop and also getting a new god on the reward door
and also maybe explain what the god pool does
vital night
I didn’t even realize that could happen ngl
vagrant crane
its mostly intuitive but probably could be made more explicit
that specifically once your pool has 4 or more gods then you wont be served any new gods organically
vagrant crane
id also recommend linking this site https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/ in your guide
its much easier to use than the codex and has more info
vital night
): i guess. But my advice still has some value. I'll resend the link and change ...
I understand what you mean by saying that the guide is for 32 heat and below, but the advice should still be correct, even if the standards can be a little less strict
vagrant crane
yea
i dont think you should stop making it or anything
it could be a valuable resource
but like
if ur unsure about some info or want it checked just ask here
theres a lot of experienced players who can help
also im a little confused
is this specifically a guide for 32 heat builds
vital night
The best guides go through proofreading many times by many people
analog mauve
personally i think there already are a lot of very detailed great guides covering almost every aspect of the game, and a new one would just end up being similar to an existing one
undone pumice
Alright. I will keep working on it. The main purpose of my guide is to be a simple stepping stone for newer players. Thank you for the criticism.
rose nexus
Personally, as someone with over 10 40 heat runs,
vital night
Personally, as someone with over 6 0 heat runs
vagrant crane
personally i think there already are a lot of very detailed great guides coverin...
i think theres a niche that still kind of hasnt been filled
i definitely think theres an oversaturation of build guides
but i think what there isnt really is a single source that has sufficient like
baseline info
like the info about god pools
proper furnace
Explaining stuff like god pool is def nice or hermes/hammers
vagrant crane
yeah
proper furnace
The builds site does explain them to some degree but well is also a builds site
vagrant crane
@undone pumice i think thats what id focus on more if u want to make something novel
vagrant crane
The builds site does explain them to some degree but well is also a builds site
i rmember when i checked back in and the guy had updated it with having done like
60 heat or somethig
vagrant crane
yeah he has 50 heat all aspects and a 57 clear
all unmodded
which is pretty funny
vital night
His 57 Rama was modded
vagrant crane
oh
and after all that his pb still 9:09
guess some people have different focuses
proper furnace
Oh yeah jazz I managed 55 zag shield
vagrant crane
Seems like a decent focus
yea thats what im saying
vagrant crane
Oh yeah jazz I managed 55 zag shield
nice
vital night
I’m in 64 jail
proper furnace
Are you fr going for it?
vital night
Yeah
vital night
Not much left on Zeus shield except sub10 50
proper furnace
Good luck o7
vital night
Doing some other stuff as a break though
vagrant crane
i would play heat if it wasnt heat
analog mauve
if i can master em4 to the point of having a 95% winrate id do 64
vital night
Good luck o7
🫡
vagrant crane
i think what will really augment my skill is getting 50 more sheets that nobody will ever look at or care about
vital night
It’s just mechanical consistency at this point. I got a decent chaos buff on my 62, but getting better at max dps combos at heroes and dad should fill up that gap
proper furnace
I don't think I have it in me to push speed/heat any further
vital night
Hitlsss lernie and not getting shredded in elysium are the other pieces of the puzzle
proper furnace
I just look at the pact with disgust now
vital night
It’s all the same to me now
analog mauve
im just playing other games now
vagrant crane
i am slowing down my playing of other games
its funny
during all of last school year i was constantly playing hades
basically as soon as summer started i dropped it
and now school starting and im picking it back up again
proper furnace
I'm having fun with peglin now or trying to play octopath 2
vagrant crane
i think its cause this game is pretty much completely braindead
analog mauve
im a few hours away from completing the tomb raider trilogy
vagrant crane
after expending all my brain cells on work and school i can just absently press the buttons
analog mauve
real
analog mauve
i just press one button (and hold it)
vagrant crane
everything is misery on zeus
vital night
Nah it’s really fun
vagrant crane
trying to get to ely on pace on zeus takes about as much rng as like a sub 510 on beo
vagrant crane
you have to roll so much
you need athena in tart
you need hammer early
you need rd
vital night
Pact issue
vagrant crane
yeah i should run td1
vital night
Td3 and also the rest of the pact
vagrant crane
zeus rta actually sounds like it would go incredibly soft
plain river
trying to get to ely on pace on zeus takes about as much rng as like a sub 510 o...
Sub 510 minutes on beo = ez
urban echo
What’s with hidden aspects being so slow on startup? Beowulf I need to get used to.
rose nexus
Slow on startup meaning their attacks? Or slow to get the build going?
rose nexus
Pretty much every hidden is slow attack but strong yeah
analog mauve
gilga just sucks avoid it
guan yu just use the special
dash strike and spin if u rly want to use the attack never use the actual normal attack
rose nexus
Guan Yu and Gilga you can just ignore the mechanics and ME
If you really just need to get them out of the way for prophecy
vital night
or spin attack tbh, it's prety funny
potent tree
Beowulf Dash-Strikes into Dragon Rush constantly and loads cast during the Dash-Strike -> Rush
rose nexus
And yeah dash striking makes everything better
Except arthur without dedge
You can still dash in between the arthur standing combo tho
urban echo
Is Beowulf special even good? The windup is kind of idk
rose nexus
Shield special is never good except on Zeus
Beowulf special can be okay in tart for some stuff but you shouldn’t really use it much
urban echo
Ah alright thanks
rose nexus
Shield special is a free core for duo purposes basically
night thunder
is the best boon for Rama zeus special? thats what i pretty much always use
tight basin
is the best boon for Rama zeus special? thats what i pretty much always use
if you're doing special only rama, you wanna find static discharge after that but yeah zeus special is solid on rama
otherwise you'd wanna build the attack and dash strikes
vagrant crane
is the best boon for Rama zeus special? thats what i pretty much always use
its a good choice but its not like the best boon
well
its best in slot
but your main damage should come from your attack
tight basin
yeah best special boon
vagrant crane
zeus special is more useful for cleaning up smaller enemies
which are often very annoying on rama
analog mauve
or for playing the whole game with
vagrant crane
close enough welcome back schad
i kinda wanna play rama cause its fun but i know im never beating my pb
analog mauve
beat your heat pb
vagrant crane
well its not fun to play for a super7
night thunder
if you're doing special only rama, you wanna find static discharge after that bu...
yeah i think both rama runs ive had so far have been zeus spec + static + double + splitting bolt + whatever hammer upgrades and hermes boons i can get to just up my special speed
tight basin
if you built the attack it'd be stronger lmao
vital night
hades is not fun
I take it the em4 practice is not going well
analog mauve
oh i never went back to it
night thunder
ig but i do like that that build becomes "hold x simulator" LOL
analog mauve
i thought if im going to grind a hard boss ill finish radiant markoth first
and did but still want to play smth else
rose nexus
Hold x simulator gotta be my favorite genre of game frfr
night thunder
fist quake cutter is spam x simulator
jolly chasm
Hestia makes Hades a rhythm game
jolly chasm
Beo needs too many buttons, should be removed ngl
analog mauve
the only stuff i like to play is flurryjab spear, eris, hestia,
yeah thats pretty much it
rose nexus
Hestia is really fun
I just haven’t put blood back in it yet and lv1 hestia is really not fun
tight basin
i already did
vital night
thats fair
analog mauve
i wonder when i will finally be able to safely say 'i think i can uninstall hades now'
vital night
i've already accepted the answer as never
vital night
brother, 64 will be 1/48 things to do in the game
If I've spent this long on one aspect, I don't think I'll ever run out of stuff to do
vital night
potentially
analog mauve
damn i was wondering if id had to uninstall stuff to play something else
i think im fine
for now
tight basin
i think you need to delete everything before you install something
tight basin
If I've spent this long on one aspect, I don't think I'll ever run out of stuff ...
64 arthur
vital night
not all of the aspects, but I want to go 50 24/24, and 50+ on each weapon, and sheet on achilles, hera, demeter, beo, hestia, and eris
analog mauve
sheet like sub6?
vital night
yeah
tight basin
you should sheet every wep
analog mauve
damn gl
vital night
potentially
tight basin
nem is more fun bc it's not an ME wep
vital night
also true lol
analog mauve
not all of the aspects, but I want to go 50 24/24, and 50+ on each weapon, and s...
this is ambitious but if you got what it takes then gl lol
vital night
damn gl
it's not even in a way that brings on stress though. It's just that as long as i generally enjoy hades, I'll have stuff to do
vital night
this is ambitious but if you got what it takes then gl lol
nah i probably don't lmao
but we'll see
analog mauve
it's not even in a way that brings on stress though. It's just that as long as i...
yeah once you start youll know if you enojoy it or not
vital night
right yeah
vital night
thats fair
i dont expect to enjoy every moment of it, but seeing how I've improved gradually from 50 to now on zeus makes me optimistic about onetricking weapons I find cool
like achilles at a high level is one of the coolest things ever
analog mauve
real
i would push achilles but im a guy who likes their numbers so if i do something with achilles 50+ i will feel compelled to do it with every other weapon
and will hate myself for it
vital night
not all of the aspects, but I want to go 50 24/24, and 50+ on each weapon, and s...
also at some point in this i might pull an edward and start pumping out sheets on beo lol, but the whole reason I enjoy this game is that I don't have to worry about running out of stuff to do
lmao
analog mauve
i think i should update the modpack
have to uninstall current one for that right
before reinstalling ill finish fresh file
vagrant crane
just replace the folder and run modimporter
analog mauve
havent touched the files in so long
vital night
before reinstalling ill finish fresh file
i say this every time I mess around with mods and proceed to get 5 tarts without ares
vital night
should work yeah
analog mauve
just replace the folder and run modimporter
wait what
vagrant crane
idk i thought thats how it owrked
vagrant crane
sure
vagrant crane
yes
vital night
nice
jolly chasm
btw Jazz, does the copy and paste thing work for the sheet? Because I got 75 to submit and I don't want you to have to put them in manually