h1-builds-and-combat

[jolly chasm]

Prob slippery assualt tho

[vital night]

With HS, trap damage literally doesn’t matter

You’re dead anyways lfg

[mortal tide]

`whats hs

[jolly chasm]

Heightened security, pact of punishment thing

[mortal tide]

ahh

[worn solar]

Hs pretty good timesave

[mortal tide]

I WOULD'VE FINALLY KILLED HADES IF I HAD ONE MORE DEFIANCE

[mortal tide]

im uploading a video, tell me where i went wrong plz

[analog mauve]

okay

[mortal tide]

lyk ahead of time, this was the merciful end build and i got his butt to a quarter of his hit bar IN 2ND PHASE! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

pain...suffering even

[analog mauve]

blood and bananas

darkness*

[mortal tide]

yep

[worn solar]

K 👍

[mortal tide]

@analog mauve so im guessing my problem is still movement because i wouldve had enough defiances if i hadnt lost one to the lasers

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FGUtAZih--1BbYxL8vSGW5YrLbHTJk-1/view?usp=sharing

[analog mauve]

you really should upload on youtube instead of drive next time

[mortal tide]

@potent tree

[analog mauve]

easier to view and also like infinite storage

[mortal tide]

why?

[mortal tide]

i mean true

[worn solar]

Welp you couldve killed dad if you just dash striked him instead of spamming casts into the wall

[mortal tide]

i was using my casts to get extra damage

i have boiling blood in my mirror for a reason

[worn solar]

Only one cast is needed for boiling blood and even if theyd hit youd of done more damage by just proccing some doom

[mortal tide]

ok

[worn solar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1271619650509209761/image0.jpg?ex=66b7ff96&is=66b6ae16&hm=670215283582fdee8e3d45c0c07a06fe1f937f03e6eb74e9c7f8ec1818ab3a0c& like i mean here you just unloaded 3 into the wall, you couldve shot one in his face then just dash striked a couple times

Also you have no iframes while dash striking so undeflectable attacks like dads spin and the skull shockwaves will still hit you unless you lay off the attack button

[mortal tide]

well i didnt know boiling blood only needed one so for next time

[jolly chasm]

During the laser attack in P2, just stand right next to him

[plain river]

Behind any pillars also works

[worn solar]

When dad tosses out skulls and there near you like at around the beginning of the fight you should take the two seconds to get rid of them before they blow up

[mortal tide]

yeah i try to

btw, how long does it take to get zagreus learning to play the lute?

[plain river]

210

plays

of the lyre

[worn solar]

Your dem probably isnt max level so specialling especially standing specials is generally a waste of time, you should just be dash striking instead

[jolly chasm]

One thing I noticed is that you are way too passive and then way too aggressive

You literally dashed into the 3 hit combo from dad for no reason, you were safe where you were

[mortal tide]

i wouldve gotten rid of athenas special if i didnt need it for deadly reversal

[plain river]

Getting rid of the special probably would’ve been worse for you tbh

No reason to get rid of it, and it would just make every boon you found from then on contain a core

[mortal tide]

this is what i was following:

[worn solar]

Like you have two dashes if you use both of them when dad spins even if you have poor timing you should be able to iframe it but you generally only dash once and too late or just dash strike

[plain river]

Given you have your 4 cores filled, getting rid of the special will trigger the game to do it’s whole “cores aren’t filled” shebang

immediately nerfing your options on every boon from 3 to 2

since it’d replace the first roll with a core boon every time till you picked another up

[mortal tide]

Merciful End

Start with the Blood-Filled Vial and get Ares on either attack or special. Probably attack. Pom it as much as you can while it’s easy to do so.
Get Athena on attack or special. Probably special. Now the duo is unlocked. Avoid unlocking other duos
Get the duo. Now you can alternate attack and special to quickly trigger Doom. A reasonable damage boost! Let’s do better.
Get Divine Dash. Dash-strike to apply Doom and immediately pop it. That is an insane damage boost and you have Divine Dash. You probably win at nearly any heat. Let’s do better.
Get Impending Doom. This is a free 60% damage boost because Doom will still pop immediately. Pom it if you can to take it over 80%. Let’s do better.
Add Pressure Points. Now some of those Doom drops will be for like 1000 – 1500 damage when they crit. Let’s do better.
Add Artemis on cast or call to unlock Deadly Reversal, then get it. Because all you’re doing is dash-striking, you’re deflecting constantly and triggering the buff, so critical Doom pops will happen all the time.

[plain river]

Yeah. Getting rid of the special would’ve given you a little extra coin at the cost of robbing you of options on all prior boons

That’s a good guide right

I’m just saying that even if you got deadly reversal, selling your special would get in your own way

[mortal tide]

ok

[mortal tide]

where do i find out how many times ive played it

[plain river]

But the actual combat stuff is also like pretty important so idk if you processed this and Unananas message below it but

[mortal tide]

i did see that and im still angry i dashed into it

[plain river]

~ roughly every 70-ish Zagreus gets better at playing

aside from that like

not a way to see it afaik

I’d just stop and play a few after each run

[mortal tide]

whats more important to the build above? pressure points or deadly reversal?

[tight basin]

Pressure points is just easier to get lmao

[mortal tide]

i got pressure points and deadly reversal in the same boon list

[vital night]

Deadly reversal then

It’s rarer and a higher crit chance

[tight basin]

Oh then yeah take deadly reversal

[mortal tide]

@analog mauve should i give this run up? i have no defiances and im at 82 health about to go into the fight with hades

[analog mauve]

[worn solar]

Why would you, just go and fight him, practice is practice

Might as well just practice dodging all his attacks

[mortal tide]

ok

[analog mauve]

if you think youre going to die whats the difference between dying to hades and giving up

[mortal tide]

fair

[vital night]

Everything is winnable

Just play better

[analog mauve]

throwback

saviour numbskulls

[vital night]

yeah

[analog mauve]

winnable

[mortal tide]

idk how im doing it but i have varatha and i put the merciful end build on it and im shredding enemies apart with dash strikes

[analog mauve]

yes

[mortal tide]

i have serrated point. mix that with ares' atk and athenas dash and it shreds anything coming into contact with u

[tight basin]

That's ME for you

[mortal tide]

divine prot or deadly reversal??

@analog mauve

[analog mauve]

reversal

[tight basin]

Damage better

Don't need safety if they're dead

[analog mauve]

safety good depending on the person

[mortal tide]

context: got it in styx before hades

[analog mauve]

like if ur taking dmg every 5 seconds then dp isnt doing much

[tight basin]

Just have more hp than them tbh

[analog mauve]

24k

[worn solar]

so did you win

[clever mason]

Has anyone ever gotten 9999 damage aside from than?

[worn solar]

Should be doable by making aphro greater call crit with some damage increases/heartrend. Or with trippy beo and enough cast damage and bloodstones tho for beo not from an individual trippy cast

[analog mauve]

or just get enough ichors and rd

[trim canopy]

Do the "Summons vs Hades" requirements listed here seem accurate to y'all? I've satisfied them and still can't use Battie against Hades. - https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Companions

like most things, even w/ requirements met -- it seems it could still be a RNG thing.

[tight basin]

If you have all the things you need to get a dialogue from hades

[trim canopy]

should i take hunter's mark over heart rend on a scuffed hera crushed shot build?

[vital night]

yeah

[paper sinew]

for adamant rail aspect of eris do I need to be standing in the circle to get the buff or is it the enemy?

[worn solar]

You

[potent tree]

You need to land the Special on yourself

[proud elm]

does anyone have an build guide like Banana's 32 heat doc?

[analog mauve]

pins

[trim canopy]

with battie unavailable, wot companion would y'all recommend ?

[proper furnace]

Bouldy maybe

[mortal tide]

no

[worn solar]

Pog

[zenith fractal]

Sisyphus' AKA Shady is fine for metaprogression farming, Skelly's companion AKA Rib has seen some use in hitless / damageless, and Thanatos' companion AKA Mort has seen some use in high heat. The most common / versatile one is still Meg's AKA Battie, though

[vital night]

@fervent ice

If you’re interested in more build/aspect info

[trim canopy]

@zenith fractal thanks! got the "bond" unlocked now so i can use battie against hades. literally none of the information i found when researching how to unlock the battie vs hades availability simply stated, "you need to forge a bond". i didn't even know that the "forge a bond" story progression "marker" was a thing.

i have a feeling the response will be "look in the pins!" -- but does anyone know a solid arthur aspect guide aside from the lee ream snyder's guide? i also have this - but it's not really a guide - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DorDu9hRVO2kHZN0aZOY1eUwkxdtmmg06-05dDuli_4/edit?gid=1012301303#gid=1012301303

[vital night]

Do you want one for speed or high heat

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vIWO9-pGrs6_Ez2CHZQr_ICs7ViEybxavvtVAUwKMCU

There’s this one

[snow coyote]

idk why but its always telling me that i have to clear a stage to quit but ive literally beat it. is this a glitch (its the second time this has hapened)

[primal brook]

Generally start athena and go for attack, then treat the enemies like dark souls enemies and dodge their attacks so that you can straif them and hit them. Also if you're fine with cheesy builds go with aphro attack and cursed slash, you become invincible since every enemy you hit gives you +2 health (and you can hit multiple enemies per attack), also get as much damage resistance and use holy aura to limit damage taken. - this build requires some careful play around bosses though and getting lots of max health.

[lunar lynx]

Best keepsake/boons for Guan Yu?

[proper furnace]

Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.

Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.

You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).

For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).

There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.

[vital night]

@urban echo boon randomization is a tough aspect but with god keepsakes, you can generally get the build you want most of the time

God pool is naturally limited to 4 gods plus Hermes. Before you take boons from 4 gods, you have a 1/8 chance of getting any particular god. After that, you’ll be offered the gods in your god pool at an equal chance. You can force your god pool to include more gods with keepsakes, but that decreases the chance of getting any particular god in your pool since there are more to choose from

The codex is a good resource for seeing boon prereqs and such

As for wells and shops, that’s more something you need to feel out. Generally you can keep ~150-200 in the bank unless there’s something you really want to buy

[urban echo]

Oooh! Thanks 🙏🏾

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228902200923918440/1274221212473753640/image.png?ex=66c1767a&is=66c024fa&hm=73a4a242b4f2c86e44f7a73d0f419b326584ded5e8e535426ba686d23849fd98& should I do the trial for the funnies

[jolly chasm]

Not over fountain, but if it was a normal room, yes

[proper furnace]

fiiiine

Than can you stop showing up in tart

[analog mauve]

than shows up?

[jolly chasm]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[radiant fulcrum]

If I sell let's say blade dash from ares, does he just not offer any boons anymore? I keep getting Athena and Artemis and nothing else

[jolly chasm]

No, Ares is still in the god pool, you are just unlucky :(

[radiant fulcrum]

Sadness, thank you. Ares just being petty 😒

[trim canopy]

does damage vs armor help against hades?

[plain river]

against the summons he summons but he himself doesn’t have any armour (yellow hp)

[waxen prawn]

just started a new playthrough after not playing for a good year or so, does anybody have any good builds for just base zagreus aspect weapons?

[plain river]

I pulled the age old “check discord when you don’t have time to” and the answer is yes, but give me like 4 minutes

Do you have a preference by weapon? Otherwise I’ll just start with the zagreus aspects I’m most familiar with (Bow -> Rail -> Spear -> Fists -> Sword -> Shield)

[waxen prawn]

Im partial to the sword and fists

[plain river]

Right

I had a message prepped for bow but was taken away by something else coming up

Fists is pretty straight forward. Fast strike, so it wants a flat damage strike boon. That kinda leaves 3 builds of varying strength and consistency.

1. Merciful End
   Start with Ares, take his strike boon, then look for Athena and force her in in asphodel, take Divine Flourish (so you can find Merciful End) and take Divine Dash. Try to find Impending Doom from Ares, and put a lot of poms on Ares strike and Impending.
   Your gameplan is to dash strike into everything to inflict doom and deflect at the same time.
   This one is really strong but not as consistent to put together as the other builds

uh

I’ll bundle hammers and hermes into one message after since it’s all the same for the three builds

2. Hangover
   Honestly what it sounds like.
   Throw dionysus on strike, aphrodite on special, look for low tolerance.
   Pom dionysus strike as much as you can.

Optional ways to sidegrade:
Take zeus call and look for smouldering air (always good)
take tidal dash (it’s just good burst damage)
Take Curse of Vengeance from Ares to open Curse of Nausea and boost your hangover damage more.

Pretty consistent, but not as potent as merciful end

Hhhhh

[jolly chasm]

Do we get the sword hammer Picture

[plain river]

Later

I’m talking about fists

[jolly chasm]

:(

[plain river]

Last one is zap fists:
Zeus strike, look for static discharge, and more zeus boons.
Ways to scale it;
Tidal dash (always good)
Aphrodite special -> dionysus or zeus call for a spammable dps call using smouldering air (sweet when you get it)
Pretty consistent, potency varies

Now Hermes and Hammers,

Hermes is pretty much
Hyper Sprint for 2x movespeed -> Rush Delivery for a global damage boost based on your extra movespeed
Greatest Reflex for more dashes for more dash strikes, safety, and mobility.

Extra dodge chance scales additively if you don’t find the above

And Breaching Cross is pretty much just THE fist hammer, then taking strike based hammers aside from heavy knuckle, and then like special hammers are kinda bleh (since you aren’t using aspect of Demeter)

That’s kinda zag fists in a nutshell

[waxen prawn]

thanks! I need to write this stuff all down and use it for a while

I still remember a lot of the REALLY good builds like the chiron bow w/ dionysus to just whittle down every boss in the game, but all that stuff is locked behind a ton of keys and titan blood

which is annoying to get without a decent build

[plain river]

Hangover Chiron is pretty effective at what it does at low heat atleast

[waxen prawn]

yeah last time I played I only ever got through like 2 heat so that's gonna be a fun time figuring that stuff out later on

[tight basin]

Long kunckle is a really good hammer for safety

Spear range fists kinda good

[plain river]

Chiron is like hmm… analogous to skis in the skis vs snowboards?

Really easy to get into,
really hard to take it farther

[waxen prawn]

wait is that the one that just makes you punch farther?

[plain river]

yeah

Where’s the

[tight basin]

Yeah lol

Very straight forward but hey it's good safety

[waxen prawn]

because in this game, (skill-wise) I never got past the point of athena-dash so I don't have to deal with my mistakes

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1274915687797751850/159fef_6d02398e79f543b898192253fa1b7bc9mv2.png?ex=66c3fd42&is=66c2abc2&hm=f92e005ee0d0a4ef3cd71e6946271d02c1c1c03e0c781565d6495b45168d8c7e&

[tight basin]

That's so real

[plain river]

I just don’t see athena dash often cuz

she doesn’t always vibe with my builds

[waxen prawn]

see I just take whatever slight issues she causes because she helps me survive

plus she vibes good with a lot of the best builds for the weapons I like

[plain river]

I mean half the time I’d gladly take her because I’m playing like 40 heat and all I want it the extra dd’s padding under my stubborn defiance but

[jolly chasm]

I only play Beo lol

[waxen prawn]

also one of my favorite builds I remember is the rail with that one aspect that turns it into a bolt-action sniper, ares attack, athena special, aphrodite, artemis cast, and then that one hammer that makes it a 3-shot that doesn't need reload

[jolly chasm]

wth is that

[plain river]

Hestia with Ares attack and delta chamber is

a choice

I don’t see the synergy

The hestia shot would go so much farther with some solid +% than flat damage from Doom, and delta chamber just doesn’t do much on Hestia

[jolly chasm]

Delta Chamber on Hestia isn't bad per se, there is just much better options

Oh yeah, I forgot you did that lmao

[plain river]

Yeah

I did

Anyways that’s not sticking around after I just spoke about zag fist hammers (as opposed to dem hammers)

[jolly chasm]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[plain river]

This channel (and category) is for discussing Edward77. Please go to #self-promotion to talk about anything else.

[agile thistle]

Does anyone have a good sniper build for Hestia?

[analog mauve]

hestia doesnt really have a build past get an attack

[agile thistle]

Well what god should I start with, and what kind of duo boons should I aim for? Hoping to nuke bosses

[analog mauve]

if you want to nuke bosses try to get clockets

rocket + cluster bomb

hammers

[agile thistle]

Gotcha, so no build you can think of that relies on the reload empowered shot aspect?

[analog mauve]

well you do use your attack along with the special

just get a high level attack from aphro

[agile thistle]

Okay sounds good

[analog mauve]

or epic attack from dem or athena

or any rarity arty

get chaos atk and dash strike if u can

hunter dash too

[agile thistle]

Sounds good ty

[plain river]

They do, there just ain’t much fancy that’s going on

Aphro strike -> zeus call for smouldering air is certainly an option if you want a specific build past getting a good strike

[jolly chasm]

Why is no one mentioning Tdash

[plain river]

Wanted to leave it for you

[vital night]

The build pretty much is the empowered shot tbh

@agile thistle

[potent tree]

where dash poms

[worn solar]

Real

Imagine not doing tdash start hestia smh my head

[trim canopy]

without spoilers -- if i'm stuck in a loop where after i beat hades, i can't advance on to the next place and it kills me and has that character with the deep voice who makes funnny comments about how i'm auto-killed each time, does this mean i need to advance the story somehow?

[analog mauve]

you can spoil

[vital night]

If you’ve brought Persephone home, you can’t access Greece anymore

Clearing hades will give you a random death narration every time now

[plain river]

You aren’t stuck in a loop, you’re now past the part of the game where Persephone needs to be brung home

There is very much still story to go, it just doesn’t need you to go to Mom’s Garden anymore

[trim canopy]

ahhh ok

[spare osprey]

What is a good build for hera bow?

[proper furnace]

Crush shot
Snow burst
Hyper sprint + rush delivery
Usual chaos buffs (or charon well)

Quick reload also good but ideally you get the former hermes combo

Focus poms on cast

Best hammer is flurry shot, and aby % attack good

Ideally arty

[spare osprey]

Should i start with arty then?

[proper furnace]

Start aphro

Cast is more important

[spare osprey]

So aphro cast

[proper furnace]

Yeah

2nd highest dmg and the range is a non issue with hera

[spare osprey]

It is also the one weapon that turns a melee cast into a long ranged one

What is the highest damage cast?

Crit arty?

[proper furnace]

Trippy shot

[spare osprey]

Oh yeah

[proper furnace]

But trippy has higher drawbacks

[spare osprey]

I mean it stuns

[proper furnace]

Because it stays on the ground you want to use stygian soul instead

[jolly chasm]

Trippy is only ever really used on Beo, and it's a second rate build

[proper furnace]

So that means you are praying to get +1 cast more than usual

Cuz it feels really bad without at least one

At least it pays off really well if it works

[spare osprey]

Also i guess having distance mist is kinda bad for the skill that ups your defense inside it

[proper furnace]

Namely on beo cuz some bugs as edward said

[spare osprey]

So aphro keepsake on tartarus, possibly chaos egg on aspho and elyssium

[proper furnace]

If you don't have snow burst do dem in aspho

For ely is usually hourglass

Cuz you can buy the well before styx then change to another keepsake

And then if you get a 2 sack you can take the buffs to dad

If you are good in dmg for ely could always just change to acorn for defense and keep it for styx

Actually have you finished the story so I don't spoil this other choice

As in, credits

[spare osprey]

I am also currently missing two keepsakes, patro and prob persephone, are they good?

[spare osprey]

No

[proper furnace]

Aight then I don't mention it

[proper furnace]

Not really imo

Patty's makes you impervious for 1.5s after being hit then enters a cooldown

Mom's gives a random pom every 4 encounters

Some people use patty's if they really struggle with styx and a certain late game challenge

Mom's is mostly for fun runs

(type: highest lvl boon stuff)

[plain river]

Eh high level bow basically uses it as a melee weapon at least half the time anyways, but that boon just isn’t something that’s going to take trippy shot past crush shot

[trim canopy]

is battie pretty much best companion, like, hands down? once you can use battie against hades i mean.

[vital night]

Yes

[trim canopy]

if there is a posedion boon on the only door and a chaos gate, and i take chaos gate, will the next god boon door be posiden or is it up RNG again?

[jolly chasm]

rng

[proper furnace]

Merciful end or zeus atk + static discharge and whatever global buff you get

All fists play the same really (if we are talking meta builds)

If you want some talos™ build is prob something like blizzard shot or curse of drowning

Or heavy knuckle so you can use the attack buff

[lunar lynx]

Good boons for Beowulf?

I think I heard Poseidon had good boons for it but just wanted to be sure

[proper furnace]

Start pos cast > find artemis (ideally attack) > mirage shot

Then whatever cast dmg buff/extra casts you can get your hands on

[lunar lynx]

I started my run with Poseidon so I can switch to Artemis in asphodel now

Specifically started with the conch

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-squidward-tentacles-the-magic-conch-gif-941877893513198381

[jolly chasm]

Beo

[lunar lynx]

I like Beo and Hera bow more than Guan Yu

[jolly chasm]

Correct opinion

[lunar lynx]

Yay

[round umbra]

Is ME speed running and in general on fists just super rng dependent? Like, im getting it late aspho or early Ely. Even with fiery presence in not one shotting a lot of early things with the Athena special so that also takes a while.

[primal brook]

sometimes, you require athena to show up or force into aspho, generally you can make do with a lackluster build until mid aspho.

[round umbra]

Wait it's better to start with ares?

[vital night]

Yeah

[round umbra]

I thought the plan is try to one shot things with Athena special until you can get everything else

Do you run first hit or backstab?

[vital night]

Ares on attack and just hope for tart Athena or force in aspho

Fiery

[round umbra]

One shot with dash special where you can? Do I actually need to sit down and learn those?

[vital night]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8trb75RkEd9uK0I/edit#heading=h.xevsj9s4pz8n

If you want to compete at the highest level, breakpoints are important yeah

[round umbra]

Epics or duos?

Just trying to sub 10 atm

[vital night]

Debatable

The guide should go over it

Epics usually though

[primal brook]

For top speedrunning times you go ares first unless you are playing guan yu

[urban echo]

Do you guys prefer dark regeneration or chthonic vitality?

[vital night]

Cthonic

[potent tree]

Slow and steady (HP regen) wins the race

[urban echo]

Ah I see. I’ll keep it then thanks

I don’t know much about the staples in mirror other than DD and Reflex. I was trying to list which other ones I should prioritize for late game

[jolly chasm]

Dark foresight, which is the opposite side of Olympian favor, is one the best mirror options

[urban echo]

Oh yeah Noob recommended it to me the other day. I maxed it out today.

I have deep pockets, thick skin and foresight maxed. Idk where else to go from here

(DD , vitality and and reflex also)

[jolly chasm]

For the rerolls, the one that lets you reroll boons is best

[urban echo]

Fated Persuasion?

[jolly chasm]

ye

[urban echo]

Ahhh alright I’ll work on that one then. Thanks 🙏🏾

[sour junco]

What's the best cast boon to go with Hera's Aspect for the Bow

I usually go with Dionysus because of the stun and great damage, but Poseidon's is also great for knocking your enemy to the other side of the map (especially if you stack all 3 bloodstones). Lets you create openings (which the bow kinda lacks)

Demeter's cast boon is usually my favorite, but I don't really like how it works with the Hera Aspect. It takes a bit to fire up, and by the time it hits, the enemy has moved

[analog mauve]

aphro cast

[spare osprey]

Is the triple bomb hammer good?

It seems very similar to trippy shot but you can spam it more

[spare osprey]

I wouldn’t have thought that blade rifts could be that useful but with hunting blades, engulfing vortex and 7 levels it was awesome

[plain river]

This is more of a demeter thing tbh

It still starts with ares but the earlier you can get athena special the better since you actually have a meaningful damage source before you find the merciful End boon

[round umbra]

Ah, yeah, that's what I'm doing.

[stuck hornet]

what are the best boons for the gun

[analog mauve]

Zeus attack , win

[urban echo]

Has anyone tried build making even thought they haven’t had a single heat yet? I have zero idea how to beat this guy.

2nd stage hades is impossible for me on low DD.

[round umbra]

Putting together a nice build is definitely very helpful for beating the big guy and something I did before beating him

[urban echo]

People recommended I see the game for myself and it’s enjoyable. But at the same I’m starting to hate my gameplay because I don’t know how to beat him correctly. Hades makes me scared to dash.

I heavily rely on the Elysium NPC to get me to Styx honestly (restores my DD). I feel like that’s how I make it that far. In terms of skill I cap out at Theseus fight tbh. Maybe build making can hide my skill issue.

[proper furnace]

What wep are you doing?

[urban echo]

Spear. But it’s not really my main since I’m doing the fate thing. Shield of chaos is what I like to use longterm

[proper furnace]

Any aspect unlocked?

Or do you mean the chaos aspect

[urban echo]

I have aspect the first one unlocked but I never ran it.

I like to play defensive. It’s very easy to make a mistake in one of the simple chambers and bull rush hides that well

[proper furnace]

If you have the blood to unlock the zeus aspect I'd do thag

Otherwise your other option for shield is charged shot

[urban echo]

Oh yeah I have 2 Titan blood atm

[proper furnace]

Which trades the bullrush for an easy to spam attack

Oh nice

Yeah zeus works well even at lvl 1

You can have the special out doing dmg even while blocking

[urban echo]

Ooh

[proper furnace]

Also up to what point is your mirror?

[urban echo]

Btw when you first started out, when doing the fate missions were there any boons that never popped up for you? Did you need the reroll mirror to finish them out quicker?

[proper furnace]

Most showed naturally

There are a few that are more annoying like blown kiss/rip current

And stuff like the undamaged foes chaos boon/auto reload/bad news that depend on your mirror

[urban echo]

I have Chthonic, DD, Reflex, Deep Pockets, Thick Skin, and Dark Foresight maxed. +1 upgrade on Fated Persuasion.

[proper furnace]

Aight nice

[urban echo]

Ooh

[proper furnace]

Also for styx

Take the miniboss chambers first

Outside of tony the tiny rat they are all easier than the big ass rooms full of enemies

And if you really, really wanna make styx a joke

Use Poseidon's cast or dash + breaking wave

[urban echo]

Oh really?? That’s an error on my end.

[proper furnace]

The small rooms makes the enemies start playing ping pong with themselves

[urban echo]

oh Yeahh a YT video told me Poseidon dash was great for Styx especially with shield

Okay I’ll definitely try that

[proper furnace]

His dash is good in general tbf

Maaaybe slightly less on shield

Messes up enemies being grouped for some stuff

[urban echo]

Oh that’s true

[potent tree]

Playing defensively is arguably a bad habit: the more quickly things die, the safer you are

[primal brook]

depends on the difficulty level you're playing at, for general speedrunning on zag shield poseidon dash is the meta but it actively kills the run if you're playing zeus shield high heat.

[analog mauve]

i think they. know that

[vital night]

It’s…fine

I’d rather have tdash than Poseidon attack

[spare osprey]

Is sniper shot compatible with flurry shot?

[sour junco]

From the looks of things, yes

[plain river]

Yeah, but the range require for sniper shot is nearly unusable tbh

[raven frost]

im struggling with megaera because im going for ares cast build but she just dashes away from all of my rifts

[raven frost]

ah huh nvm i figured out a better time to use the casts

when she shoots fireballs

[analog mauve]

ue struggling because ares cast kind of sucks

[potent tree]

Hunting Blades or bust

[raven frost]

i watched a video that explains battie is perpendicular to where zag is facing but it's always like slightly off even though im looking perpendicular to the line of the 2 skull bombers in the 1 boss chamber

is it different for keyboard and mouse or something

[vital night]

Ngl I have yet to figure out the bombers Meg on kbm

[jolly chasm]

Jazz has a setup

[raven frost]

im just save scumming the encounter to figure out how the aiming works

[vital night]

I don’t get it and it seems beo specific

[raven frost]

it's only perfectly perpendicular when you're facing the single key directions (WASD)

[analog mauve]

its straightforward

but i dont remember because i never meg bombers

[vital night]

Same

Lazy so I just tank the 5 second timeloss whenever applicable

[raven frost]

i think im just going to not meg bombers because i can't get it to hit both 😞

[burnt elbow]

got any advice for hades boss? I have fought him 2 times now, it's not a lot but yea, he kinda hard

[worn solar]

Whenever he summons stuff or throws out skulls you either want to deal with them quickly or get on the opposite side of the arena so you dont have to deal with overlapping attacks. Know that dashes only give iframes if you arent dashstriking so you want to lay off the attack button when trying to dodge his spins. Other than that its getting used to his timings between attacks so you know how long you can safely hit him and knowing how to build your weapon/mirror

[ripe sequoia]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127426637324103730/1277521504535580682/image.png?ex=66cd781d&is=66cc269d&hm=817c702c5d1bf70e3b0c2cf5551c95f25a4feae8041482013cccd3c57906bca3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1083&height=609

this is how i won my first clear

[potent tree]

So dark! Such little contrast!

[ripe sequoia]

sorry

its an xbox screenshot i cant change it

but

i can tell you what it is

[potent tree]

Maybe you can pull up the record of the run from one of the cabinets in the Administrative Chamber

[ripe sequoia]

dont have that unlocked yet but will it be there once i unlock it later

i can read off what it says in the middle

aspect of zagreus, low tolerance, heartbreak strike 4, flurry jab and extending jab

[potent tree]

Ah, hopefully Dionysus's Aid did a lot of work for you

[spiral wasp]

any easy to get builds to beat hades himself?

[ripe sequoia]

wrong link

sorry

one sec

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here you go

accident copied the discord channel i posted it in originally lol

[vital night]

Hestia with Aphrodite attack

[spiral wasp]

hestia?

[vital night]

Rail aspect

[spiral wasp]

I have eris

[vital night]

Zeus attack and tidal dash

[spiral wasp]

and am out of titan blood

[plain river]

Smh

Imagine not being able to read that Packrat

[potent tree]

What's "read", precious?

[analog mauve]

true

[jolly chasm]

Thanks!

[analog mauve]

no problem

[plain river]

The colour that mixes with yellow to make orange

[next nacelle]

can someone tell me a build

[vital night]

zeus shield with zeus spec, static discharge, and whatever other flat damage you can find

explosive return

[next nacelle]

aspect of beowulf with zeus special ?

am i wrong

[tight basin]

No he said to use aspect of Zeus

With Zeus special lol

[next nacelle]

ok

im new to game

ty for information

[plush tusk]

really? No iframes on dash-strikes?

[tight basin]

Yeah you get iframes on dashes

[plush tusk]

I'm confused though, sometimes you can input an attack right after a dash and it registers as a dashstrike, so the game can't know in advance you're going to strike after dash and remove your iframes 😛

[worn solar]

You just lose the iframes the moment you press attack

[plush tusk]

ooooh thanks 🙂

[vital night]

have died to traps many times like that

[green bluff]

hey there

returning player here

i was wondering if anyone has a couple good Erys builds to get back into the game

I remember (faintly) that I'd use poseidon dash

any help appreciated

[proper furnace]

Start zeus, find static discharge, pos dash and pom those two

Good % special and ideally cluster + rocket bomb hammers

[green bluff]

thanks

I actually pulled through at 9 heat with the most random build

i did find rocket though, that kinda makes erys way better

is it more important to get zeus attack or pos dash first?

I assume zeus attack is more useful early on

[proper furnace]

Zeus start yeah

Your attack kinda ew w/o it

[green bluff]

ngl zeus attack is cool and all but it doesn't keep up with late game

for some reason i never got another god, only poms and garbage

and that being my only power was my demise xd

[tight basin]

jolted is supposed to pick up your damage in the late game

or really that's where all your damage should be lmao

on eris you'd also want tidal dash bc that's also fat damage

[green bluff]

yeah the previous game i had dash and +3 dashes

and that carried almost everything

but IMO rocket was the big power trip

being able to explode it instantly in my face is huge

[vital night]

Eris’s whole build is pretty key but arty special and clockets is most of the late game scaling

[spare osprey]

Is it viable to just not use dash strike with gilga aspect?

Its special effect just seems really risky and not that worth it

[proper furnace]

Oh you meant the dash upper lmao

Yeah it can be ignored a lot

Can be fun to get boosted summons at least

[spare osprey]

Also, is hades aid good?

[proper furnace]

For speedrunning mainly

[analog mauve]

its funny that way

[spare osprey]

I usually only use like 3 keepsakes + the god ones
Mom’s
Skelly’s
And maybe cerberus or charon

[analog mauve]

because outside speedrunning its dog

[vital night]

its meh yeah

tooth is fine if you're scared of dying, charon is good if you're buying a lot of well items, but cerb and mom aren't great

[woeful finch]

Any tips for beating a run with the spear? On hell mode so starting with a heat of 5. Haven’t beat a run with this or the shield yet

[plain river]

Tbh the heat being 5 instead of 0 doesn’t really change anything I’d tell you

most spear gameplay is going to be dash striking

The first build that comes to my mind is ME (Merciful End).
ME does require a few things to happen but it is pretty strong.
starting with Ares and taking his strike (curse of agony), then going with Athena’s special (Divine flourish) allows you to find their duo, Merciful End. You then want Athena’s Divine Dash so your dashes deflect, and then your dash striking will immediately inflict doom and deflect. Impending Doom from Ares is a great boon here because you’re already full ignoring how long doom takes to drop, it’s a pure damage boost.

although if you’re looking for something a bit more consistent, you could try Zeus on strike instead, and then you just look for a bunch more zeus boons (static discharge is the main highlight).
from there you can throw like Aphrodite in somewhere to get smouldering air going on your call, or Poseidon for tidal dash (really strong dash boon)

The main hammers you’ll be looking for would be flurry jab, and then otherwise you look for regular strike hammers like extending jab and triple jab (and Serrated Point can be used as a discount flurry jab). Any spin hammers will kind of get in your way, and for special hammers it’s kinda eh unless you build for it

am I unloading too much info at once or missing any points you’d like to touch on

[woeful finch]

No this is exactly how I was hoping someone would respond. Thank you! Gonna try another run soon going off this!

[plain river]

There are more ways to go about building spear but these are the most conventional

Like

[jolly chasm]

Elauncher is really nice on spear

[plain river]

Special focused spear with exploding launcher and charged skewer can be a blast

if you really want to do a spin build I’d recommend getting achilles aspect for it first

I know Hades spear gets the size boost but Achilles can apply it’s massive additive damage boost

[rose nexus]

Flurry jab ME spear goes hard

Hard enough for a base heat clear for sure

[worn solar]

Just do tdash + zeus attack

[sour junco]

Dionysus's cast has to be my absolute favorite when I'm not doing a cast build. That stun radius is very handy in Elysium

If am doing a cast build, I usually go with Poseidon's or Athena's because of the AOE (and because you can quickly pick it back up when it drops)

Just curious if that lines up with how other people do it

[rose nexus]

Dio cast is considered one of the weaker options for non cast

No lodge means no boiling blood

[plain river]

Most cast builds end up with either like
Slicing Shot (with Hunting Blades)
Phalanx Shot (With Lighting Phalanx)
Crush Shot (this one's kind of a Hera only)
Trippy Flare (exclusively Hera and Beowulf)
Flood Flare (Beowulf is actually the only weapon in game that can get this boon anyways)

other than the builds that go out of their way to take trippy flare, most weapons just don't want to lose boiling blood for trippy shot

[rose nexus]

Lightning phalanx is honestly so fun

I forgot about that

Poseidon sword lightning phalanx is good times

[jolly chasm]

Zeus cast on its own is pretty strong

[woeful finch]

FINALLY WON! Thanks for the advice!

[trim canopy]

curse of longing - is the successive hit damage ONLY when you use attack that has doom or is it on all attacks?

[spare osprey]

Is there any other upgrade to trippy shot other than flare and zeus’s duo boon?

[proper furnace]

You inflict doom and as long as the enemy has weak it'll keep hitting them

[proper furnace]

Ice wine duo from dem

For non-hera/beo this is great cuz it removes the throwing arc

[trim canopy]

im running hera crushed shot, but have doom on special -- i don't have to use special for the effects of curse of longing to apply; correct?

[proper furnace]

For hera/beo it actually adds a delay so is worse

[spare osprey]

Nice

[proper furnace]

Enemy has to have doom on them so nope,

Need to use special at least once

[trim canopy]

note to self, don't take chaos boons that do damage when using your main when you're 3 chambers away from thesus encounter in elysium. self-inflicted dumbshot wound.

[wheat imp]

What's the best aspect for the bow?

I don't like it as a weapon so I want to at least make it more bearable

[jolly chasm]

Every aspect not named Chiron is pretty good

[vital night]

flurry hera is probably the least bow way to play the bow

[jolly chasm]

Ew, give me my Psuedo tech, triple shot Zag bow

[tight basin]

try dash striking more, it'll make the bow more fluid

biggest complaint i've seen about people not liking bow is bc of how jank it feels and dash striking fixes that

[zenith fractal]

(idkman it still feels terrible to me)

[vital night]

@analog vapor arty is also an option for crit scaling

[analog vapor]

Got athena attack, now I'm deciding between the "special encounter" (Idk what it's called) or hermes.

[vital night]

take the story room

[analog vapor]

and what drink do i get

[vital night]

the first one

[analog vapor]

k

[vital night]

hope it hits special or call

[analog vapor]

Special and cast

[vital night]

nice

basically you just ball now and look for static discharge

[analog vapor]

well heres a toughie

Wait, I can't post images

[vital night]

just list the options

images are only in the victory channel

[analog vapor]

Does jury summons technically give more gold?

[rose nexus]

Gold from monster kills is such a non factor

But I don’t have an answer for sure

[tight basin]

Technically yes but also no lol

[rose nexus]

I wouldn’t suggest taking JS just to get more gold, regardless

[tight basin]

Rooms have a good cap so at a certain point you stop getting more gold

But jury summons will help you hit that cap easier

[rose nexus]

Me when I kill 5 extra speeder witches and the extra gold was not worth it

[tight basin]

Could before tart midshop if you get no pots

If you get an early shop like c6 with no pots

You might end up a bit short without enemy gold drops

[rose nexus]

To put it in perspective JS is one of the most hated conditions

So if the benefit is, to put it mildly, not great

Yeah

[tight basin]

I take js over cf lmao

[analog vapor]

Should I purge any of these? Doing a zeus shield run. Rare hydraulic might, or epic d. dash?

I've beaten charon, so I have the 20% off this run

[rose nexus]

Hydraulic isn’t particularly strong for weapons that aren’t bursty I feel

If you felt a strong desire to purge something I would choose that

Epic D dash doesn’t do much compared to common, but you might not see Athena again to replace it

[vital night]

you can sell hydraulic since it'll eat poms

[plain river]

Hmm

[plain river]

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[plain river]

??!

Was this a case specific recommendation or

[vital night]

What

Rarity upgrade on spec is good

Maybe that’s too AP2 brained

[plain river]

likely

[tight basin]

yeah that's ap2/ri brained lmao

at high heat you take rarity upgrade a lot bc you dont have many boons to begin with

so you can get the rarity to hit pretty often

[jolly chasm]

Pom is almost always better

[tight basin]

but for other cases, you'd rather take the refreshing nectar thingy for the next 3 boons bc of hermes, duos, and chaos

and if you have all that, poms is better bc you have more boons lmao

or you high roll rarity upgrade to hit rd or something

for heat it's like pom/ambrosia > ambrosia/pom > nectar

pom if it's like middling heat where you dont rely on hermes, chaos, or duos

ambrosia if it's very high heat and you only have like 2 boons lmao

[clever mason]

When I’m trying to do a ME build (Aries keepsake, doom on attack, avoid all gods unless Athena, Athena on special, Athena keepsake from asphodel), do most of your runs not give you ME and you have to limp your broken build to hades?

[plain river]

You have a pretty solid chance at finding Merciful End even without God’s Legacy

Do you have dark foresight on to make sure you’re maximising how many boons you can find

[jolly chasm]

12% chance for a Dúo from a non core boon

[clever mason]

Yeah I have maxed dark forsight

[plain river]

Then it kinda just depends on how quickly you get Cure of Agony and Divine Flourish together on how likely you are to see ME

[clever mason]

I hope it wasn’t bad RNG. But it looks like it.

[signal marten]

Is it better to do Deadly Strike or Hunter Dash for sword runs? (Nemesis sword)

[rose nexus]

Hunter dash, ideally heartbreak strike

And aim for Artemis x Aphrodite duo

This combo absolutely slaps with nemesis

[vital night]

to give background, crits are a 3x multiplier and a 4.5x multiplier with heart rend

[rose nexus]

And Aphrodite attack is big numbers

[vital night]

getting more crit chance is fine, but only useful if you have a good amount of additive to be multiplied

[rose nexus]

Normally crits are balanced by Artemis boons having low % mods

But

Nemesis just lets you crit

So

Aphrodite is huge

[vital night]

so an ideal crit build should have additive first and crit chance second

[potent tree]

It's more that because crit is multiplicative you don't want to neglect the multiplicand

All the multiplication in the world doesn't amount if your base isn't very high

[rose nexus]

Other than Chaos boons though, nemesis is the only way to have a significantly strong additive with crit baked in

[potent tree]

How 'bout Zagbow

[rose nexus]

Smelly

Also I forgot about it tbh

[potent tree]

W-wha

[rose nexus]

So then zagbow and nemesis are two of the “easiest” ways to stack additive and crit chance

Which makes them notable and fun

And extremely good uses of heart rend

And the guy who asked the question isn’t even responding so I suppose I’ll just leave it at that

[vital night]

at the end of the day crits are mid and flat damage soup wins

[rose nexus]

But does fds get big numbers with exclamation marks

I think not

❗️

[vital night]

Fds gets the boss health bar to 0

[rose nexus]

The faster the bosses hp gets to zero the less time you’re having fun!

Simple economics

[vital night]

Therefore c2dad is the most fun way to play the game

[plain river]

Ok but consider the faster you kill bosses, the sooner you can get to the next boss fight

And on the topic of economics

The sooner you clear bosses the sooner you get more resources

so you can improve your resource director rank and just have a cooler victory screen, which will definitely improve your Hades experience

[signal marten]

Does a dash attack apply bonuses from the attack and dash attack?

[plain river]

Yes

[signal marten]

Gotcha, thanks!

[winter herald]

I had the strangest idea for a Chrion build but im curious if it would work, hear me out: Ares attack, Athena Special, merciful end. Would merciful end proc more than once??

[tight basin]

no lol

as soon as the first arrow of the special hits, the doom drops

#h2-discussion

[jolly chasm]

Wrong channel

[tight basin]

delete the spoiler please

[vital night]

Lmao

[proper furnace]

Please delete the text

[vital night]

As a wise man once said, This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[proper furnace]

Screw it

<@&456908176877551658> please

Ty

[naive tusk]

It's been 0 days since the mention of H2 in this channel

[jolly chasm]

[naive tusk]

Having said that, go team Aphrodite!

[urban echo]

What should I do when Hades uses the vases? I feel like it’s a checkmate move when he uses that fire piller move forcing me to dash behind the object where the vase is and I just straight up lose 30 HP.

It’s so weird how I beat him twice and still don’t feel like I can hold my own against him at 2nd stage. I thought I got over this hurdle.

I don’t even know if I’ll try heat atp. I probably reached my peak maybe.

[tight basin]

You can break the vases ahead of time

If you have a damaging dash you can double dash through them to break them

[urban echo]

Won’t that hit me?

[jolly chasm]

I am going to be completely honest, there is no such thing as a "peak" in Hades, there are so many different things to improve at and there will always be more to learn. Don't doubt yourself

[worn solar]

You just break them then dash away, the pot hit box doesnt come out instantly

[urban echo]

Sorry that was my frustration that got the better of me. I’m not really mad I lost I’m just mad I can’t stay consistent

But then again I’m not used to rail that much

[urban echo]

True. There’s a lot of things going on like the skulls and most times I dash away and hades’ swing gets me. I haven’t been dashing unless I know what he’s gonna do.

I’ve been using Hangover to beat him. At some point I have to use something else and not rely on HP drain

[rose nexus]

You can break them while he’s standing by them to do a little dmg

And I think a tiny stun

[jolly chasm]

Also, I think if you stack like 4 or 5 shards and dad walks into a pot, Dad just instaphases

Because shards stack multiplicatively iirc

[proper furnace]

I don't remember how many you need but yeah

Pots do 30 to him too so do the math

[winter herald]

Oh ok

[rose nexus]

If you want to do this you would want ares special, plus the ares boon that lets you stack doom

I’ve played Chiron like this before

Athena attack obviously, and ME

It was… not amazing, but it cleared

[lament saddle]

I've beat him 5 times, and I still feel that way. 😄 Because of Heat stages, he's harder everytime, even by a little bit. I was able to beat him at 3 different Heats in a row yesterday, but now at Heat 6, I'm stuck. Tried three times, and I can't get past the Heroes in Elysium.

[proper furnace]

You can use pacts that barely affect him

Stuff like MM/UC/EM1-2 are usually chill or have their effect done early

Timer can put a bit of pressure but it doesn't buff dad himself

[urban echo]

gonna start calling him dad because funny

[analog mauve]

calling who

[urban echo]

how did you start off on the heat system? I haven’t really touched it yet

[urban echo]

hades

[analog mauve]

he is called dad

[proper furnace]

There's a pinned post in #h1-high-heat-strategies that recs pacts to take at the start

It is built with 32 heat (last in game reward for heat) in mind so you could swap some things if you aren't planning on that

The main thing to know really is that +enemies/+hp are stupid traps

Same goes for the trap dmg pact (lmao)

[lament saddle]

Well once I was served the Pact of Punishment, I just did what it wanted me to do. 😄 In order to make a run, you have to fill your Heat Bar. You can't exceed it, and you can't go below it either(so you can just do the same level of difficulty each run).

If you beat the run at that heat level, you have to increase your Heat Level by one Heat in your next run; so you cannot re-run the same Heat Level. If you die before beating Hades though, you have to re-run the same Heat Level until you beat him, which is what's happening to me and that's why I'm stuck at Heat 6.

Now, some things to note are that the Heat Level is per-weapon, so for example my favorite weapon by far is the Shield. My Heat Level on the Shield is at Heat 6, but for every other weapon of mine I'm on Heat 1, 'cuz I haven't actually beat the game with any other weapon yet. 😄 I've tried. I did get to Hades with the Spear, twice, but haven't been able to beat him yet.

But yeah it's basically that, and each time you beat the Heat Level, the next Heat Level resets your rewards. So you get each Boss's rewards again(the Titan Blood from Tartarus, Diamond for Asphodel, Elexium's Nectar stuff, and the second Titan Blood).

[urban echo]

Oh wow thanks for showing me. Do I just try 1 heat at a time before attempting 32?

[proper furnace]

You could do the jump if you wanna be funny

But for rewards yeah I'd just go one at a time (thinking on your relatively early skill/builds access)

[urban echo]

ooh

[proper furnace]

Skipping heat just counts the victory as your lowest current heat

So for example if I'm at heat 1 but beat heat 10, I'll claim the bounties for heat 1

[urban echo]

ahh alright I’ll try that just so I can get used to the pressure

[proper furnace]

If you repeat the pact it gives heat 2 and so on until it catches on

Also keep in mind the 32 heat reward is purely cosmetic

[urban echo]

ooo

[proper furnace]

Bounties only go up to 20 per weapon

[lament saddle]

That's good to know for myself. 😄

[proper furnace]

(there are other 2 cosmetic rewards but you'll reach those on your own by going for bounties)

32 is a fun challenge at the end of the day so I'd say you should one day go for it

Is not that bad assuming you know which pacts to take

and even if you don't, is still possible, just look at reddit

[lament saddle]

My question is if anyone has ever been able to do all the House Renovations? It seems like you gotta keep doing Runs for a long time to be able to accomplish that. 😄

[urban echo]

ah I see. I think I understand it better now. I’m gonna look into the strategies that you showed me just now and learn which and which not to take

[proper furnace]

Afaik yeah

Gems grinding ain't even the worst this game has

[proper furnace]

Also which pacts are you doing?

[lament saddle]

I've used the ones that give the minibosses one extra armoured foe, the region bosses one extra ability, the one that let's all foes deal +20% damage. I gave the the region bosses it like twice to make up the Heat 6.

[proper furnace]

Oh that isn't too bad, what's being the wall for you atm?

Also what is your usual clear time

[lament saddle]

Assuming you're asking which Heat I'm stuck at? Heat 6, if I got that right.

[proper furnace]

What's killing you in the run I mean

[lament saddle]

Between 22-25 mins.

[proper furnace]

Could swap mini bosses/+dmg for timer 2 then

Time adds up between biomes

[analog mauve]

Middle management is free except for Styx

[proper furnace]

Is that or em2

[lament saddle]

Oh, the Heroes of Elysium. Theatus and the Minotaur. Hate Theautus man, but I guess that's a purpseful personality. 😄

[proper furnace]

And making styx easier sounds nice

[analog mauve]

Ok fair

[proper furnace]

Cuz I assume they don't have summons

[lament saddle]

Yeah actually I was gonna try that 'cause I am beating it under the first rank time limit. Thanks for the suggestion!

[analog mauve]

Oh right

[proper furnace]

https://youtu.be/tcPheYu3CZQ I have this vid that shows how I fight him

Doesn't use divine dash/is with fists so doesn't have much advantage

[analog mauve]

You should make like a 1 hour long detailed beginners guide

[proper furnace]

Also shows how good acorn is/call iframes

[proper furnace]

(only thing of note is that they have 1 extra attack you prob haven't seen yet)

The shockwave move to be specific

I think I had +1 dash there too? But I barely used it

[proper furnace]

I don't think people would understand me

Ig I could use it to practice

[analog mauve]

wha

[proper furnace]

My pronunciation sucks lmfao

I'm not a native speaker

[lament saddle]

Yeah, you make the Fists look pretty good though! 😄

I've gotta get better at using the other weapons sometime, just haven't yet.

[proper furnace]

What wep you usually use?

I just used fists to not have range/block advantage

[urban echo]

I’ve been trying to get hunter’s instinct from Artemis for forever now. I noticed some of the boons just never ever show up. When build making can that bad luck just consistently interrupt ones build making?

[jolly chasm]

Don’t you need a call to get hunter’s instinct

[urban echo]

I’m not sure. In the boon list it said you can get it from one of the requirements. I usually go with deadly strike

[proper furnace]

Instict is the crit = call charge?

If yes, then yeah you need a call

Smoldering air also works like that

You can have attack/special from zeus-aphro but w/o a call it won't show up

[urban echo]

Yeah god gauge charges up faster when you deal crit damage it says

[urban echo]

ooh thanks!

I was going off the offering requirements I understand now

[analog mauve]

oh that wat iyou mean

[proper furnace]

That's an hilarious offering page ngl

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1280185463235280918/Screenshot_20240902-111950.png?ex=66d7291f&is=66d5d79f&hm=3f82232512f293a1e1ad16895daccdac3140fcfa65f7bf96b3baa00c0da03b03&

Ik why but is like if smair didn't open from zeus/aphro calls

[lament saddle]

The Shield.

[proper furnace]

Oh in that case just replace most of what I did by holding block in the attack's direction

[lament saddle]

Yeah that's what I usually do, my main issue is I go for the Minotaur and forget to pay attention to Theautus's spear, and don't dodge it in time.

I noticed how you were using the pillars to keep away from his spear though, I never did that before.

[proper furnace]

Yeah fighting bull behind a pillar is recommended

Worst case scenario you can use your call to save the hit

[lament saddle]

Yeah, so that's what I'm going to do next shot today.

[lament saddle]

You need to get a Boon for that right? It's not just something you always have

[proper furnace]

Correct

Each god has their own call

Pos/Athena/ares outright make you impervious during their calls but all calls also give you some iframes when activating them as you saw during the fight

[lament saddle]

Yeah, I haven't had a Call Boon in quite awhile now. 😄 The epicness of randomness!

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1251747791982821466/CallIframe.mp4?ex=666fb479&is=666e62f9&hm=4513451b890bc6e15f9f40dfd2cac1b49085fea5c739f994e53fc1aa6ed492f8& here's with zeus call

[lament saddle]

I learned about iframes through Mariokart LOL 😂, I'll def keep that in mind.

[urban echo]

just got it. another prophecy completed thanks

[proper furnace]

Your dashes also have iframes by default btw

The difference is that doing a dash strike removes them

[lament saddle]

Oh really? I'll def have to keep in mind

[proper furnace]

Your bullrush also has iframes

[lament saddle]

Oh okay, that makes more sense.

[lament saddle]

Yeah I have figured that out.

[proper furnace]

Prob zeus or eris from those

Zeus is safe/eris is riskier

Achilles cast build could work too

Zeus is just safety all around

Cuz the special still lets you put your block

Compared to the other shields

Anyways pretty sure we've told you the build for eris before right

Start zeus attack, find static discharge (pom it) and tidal dash (also poms)

Any % special works but ideally arty/aphro

I'd say so

[jolly chasm]

Noob the goat ngl

[proper furnace]

For hammers you either go for offense through rocket + cluster bomb or if you want defense swap one for delta chamber

Delta gives your iframes back to dash strikes

[vital night]

Noob would have 64 if he spent as much time on hades as he does on the server

[proper furnace]

I would need to have fun playing that high in the first place

[vital night]

Fair

Your Zagshield 55 was pretty cool though

It has potential to reach 62

64*

[proper furnace]

If you say so

[vital night]

What

I don’t play with Tight Fdeadline 2 on

[proper furnace]

[analog mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146846351074791534/1261000990060970035/Cat_walks_close_to_screen.gif

[proper furnace]

Kitty

[analog mauve]

what a noob

[proper furnace]

Oh those

I barely play it now lol

[urban echo]

Fated persuasion is finally maxed. What do I do with the mirror now? Vitality, DD, Reflex, Infernal soul, Deep pockets, Thick Skin, Dark foresight is all maxed

[jolly chasm]

God’s pride is quite useful to max as well

Nice

[proper furnace]

Take care of the rat bites

[urban echo]

Thanks

[urban echo]

Question. I heard you only get 4 goddesses per run. If you run into one that you don’t want and sell her stuff, can you still find a different goddesses or you’re permanently locked out of them until the run ends?

[potent tree]

Selling boons doesn't affect which Olympians you're locked into. You can force a 5th or even 6th Olympian by using their respective keepsakes though

Also, I'm imagining Zeus being called a goddess rn

[urban echo]

the concept of knowing how to build around the rng im struggling with atm. not sure how speedrunners do it at a consistant level unless theres important info im overlooking

i didnt know you could force a 6th thanks

[potent tree]

Use Olympians' keepsakes in the first two biomes areas

[urban echo]

whats biomes

[potent tree]

The first two areas

[rose nexus]

tart and aspho you use your two main god trinkets to force them into your pool

That’s a huge chunk of rng handled

Understanding how the pool works (avoiding gods that don’t significantly help you so they’re not in your pool)

Understanding that the game prioritizes filling empty attack/special/cast/dash slots is another way to help handle rng

If you want passives, filling your cores will help

[jolly chasm]

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to ⁠h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

[urban echo]

thanks!

[devout roost]

i dont have a build give me a fun build

[vital night]

Zeus shield with Zeus special

Explosive return

[rose nexus]

Lightning phalanx aspect of poseidon sword

[devout roost]

charon hourglass?

[devout roost]

ill try that when i up the shield a bit

[rose nexus]

We just putting words together now?

[devout roost]

yes

u know what im talking abt

[worn solar]

#h1-for-new-players message post first win stuff so better to talk about it here. Em is definitely worth the heat up to em3. But it isnt really free when you go up heat levels and add forced overtime and hard labor. Especially high heat lernie can become very chaotic with the arena change, high heat asterius is way more dangerous while chariot theseus denies more area, and high heat em4 very difficult

@devout roost

[proper furnace]

Also kinda fun but you didn't hear that from me

[devout roost]

is hangover rama op bro im not even hitting them

[zenith fractal]

Scaling off of attack is better, but zeus / dionysus special strats can work well until around 45-ish heat, and is one of the meta strats for hitless

[pine blade]

Help I need aegis zeus build :>

[vital night]

Zeus special and static discharge

Potentially splitting, Zeus/dio call, explosive return

[devout roost]

give me a gilga build

im bored

[vital night]

50 heat with whatever you want

[devout roost]

yeah my build will be 50 heat ty

[vital night]

Drunken strike is probably the strongest option

[devout roost]

bro aspecto demeter and kinetic strike is kinda op

[vital night]

Yeah Demeter special builds are strong

Explosive upper and deadly flourish

[rose nexus]

Explupper dem is good times

[wheat imp]

It's not good to level up the Hera bow if I use the rechargeable casts right?

[devout roost]

yea but i would prefer non rechargable casts

so if you have some titan blood they may lead to some very good builds

[vital night]

Doesn’t matter then

[wheat imp]

I can see how it'd be good. I'll try it

[proper furnace]

Even at low lvl you can get away with the lodging casts

[vital night]

@analog mauve I have plenty of boss savestates if you want me to send them over

and a few biome savestates

[analog mauve]

pls no

[vital night]

lmao

alr

[urban echo]

What’s the strategy against Thesus and Asterius with the gold metal armors?

[devout roost]

stay away from the corners

other than that 's just having a good builds

id reccomend death defiance

[urban echo]

Thanks

[proper furnace]

Pretty much everything from the normal asterous applies to armor

Just be careful of the projectiles he releases during the slams

And just run away during the beyblade

[devout roost]

i usually try to beat the bull first since without asterious theseus isnt a threat

[proper furnace]

Theseus is pretty much a worse mosquitoe

[urban echo]

Yeah the Beyblade scares me. Not even the shield blocks it close range

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah block vs beyblade is weird

It works but need to adjust the angle a lot

[urban echo]

Looks beatable though I’ll give it another shot. I wasn’t expecting to win since I had 0 boons due to searching since Tartarus.

[urban echo]

Ahh I see

[devout roost]

did you purge everything

[proper furnace]

You have foresight maxed out right

[devout roost]

foresight is very useful

[urban echo]

Yeah it’s just I got unlucky with the doors. I’m running aspect chaos with dino special + aries duo

or aprho

It was good though. Artemis hard carried it

[urban echo]

no

I’m doing 10 heat maybe I should tone it down and make sure I finish the keepsakes. I have 17 maxed atm

[devout roost]

maybe try that with rama

[devout roost]

maxing the keepsakes isnt that much neccesary tho

especially the olympian god call thingy keepsakes

[proper furnace]

Achievement probably

[devout roost]

i still dont understand when the throves give nectar

are they random?

[urban echo]

I can max the important ones. I only did it because it was somewhat convenient (I was mid game and didn’t understand the game much)

[proper furnace]

Low chance yeah

[urban echo]

Yeah it doesn’t tell you

I’ve been doing the troves with HP on them in case they pop up

btw do rarities even matter? I take the commons but what makes it stand out?

[devout roost]

does nourished soul work on defiance

[devout roost]

higher rarity is usually more damage

[proper furnace]

Depends

[devout roost]

for some boons rarity is tottaly usseles

[proper furnace]

Usually you just want the boon for your build straight away

[devout roost]

like divine dash for example

[urban echo]

ahh I see

[proper furnace]

Stuff like aphro attack/doom attack do like rarity

[devout roost]

yea it doesnt matter if its common if its good for your build go for it

[proper furnace]

Epic is double the value for both

Hermes ofc likes rarity a lot

In fact, he has a lower base chance for rarity

[urban echo]

ooh

[devout roost]

yeah rarity on hermes is most important

for others it doesnt matter as much

[urban echo]

makes sense I had an epic side hustle and it was really good

[proper furnace]

He has a 3% for epics

And his legendary is a whole 1%

[devout roost]

hermes is like the odd one out idk why

[proper furnace]

+3 dashes/hyper delivery too good

[urban echo]

oh wow

yeah he’s really useful

[proper furnace]

Btw hyper delivery is a combo

Hyper sprint + rush delivery

Increased mvmnt speed after dash > convert speed into dmg

Rarity in RD is huge
Commin converts 50% of your bonus speed, epic does 100%

And hyper sprint always gives +100% speed no matter the rarity

[urban echo]

I knew rush delivery was good but I didn’t understand why. it makes sense to me now thanks

[proper furnace]

Another silly thing

Movement speed is multiplicative

So you can just start buying ichors in charon wells for silly dmg increases

[devout roost]

some noob dying has probably the less appropriate name o us all

[urban echo]

Charon wells is something I need to get used to using during mid way runs. Which items are essential in there?

[devout roost]

always depends

[proper furnace]

Cast builds always have more uses than others

Cuz harder to get cast buffs than others

[devout roost]

you can get braid of atlas or bloodstone thingy from wells a lot

[proper furnace]

And +50% cast dmg is 20 bucks lmfao

[urban echo]

oo

[devout roost]

but you can have special/attack buffs too

its quite useful before bosses

[proper furnace]

For other builds I usually buy armor shred if I have a lot of money

Light of Ixion/hydralite always cools

[devout roost]

or a really troll one is getting rid of flame chariots lol

[proper furnace]

Eris's banger is nice

[jolly chasm]

Eye is pretty good with Hourglass

[devout roost]

i just noticed your avatar is a bird rather than a blue haired guy with a red scarf crouching down wtf

[proper furnace]

Also yeah charon well value goes up a lot with hourglass

[jolly chasm]

It's a pokemon

[devout roost]

loll

[proper furnace]

Best way is put it in elysium, then you can buy the well before styx then swap out and you keep the bonus

Also I think any 14+ encounters item should last to dad on a 2 sack?

[urban echo]

oh that’s smart. I should try that on my next run

[proper furnace]

Except stuff bought in the aspho to ely well I believe

[jolly chasm]

It can

[proper furnace]

Aight

[devout roost]

i dunno if its worth it tho, what can u get that makes dad fight easier than more hourglass buffs

[jolly chasm]

You just need 3 or more room skips and short tunnel

[proper furnace]

Just slap acorn on

Is rare you get charon wells in the tunnels

Or you probably don't have more rolls for them

[devout roost]

2 guranteed

[urban echo]

Glad I was able to get the hourglass early. Speaking of that, Is there a timer before you can give out ambrosia to the characters?

[devout roost]

hold op wrong reply

[devout roost]

2 guranteed*

[devout roost]

there is milestones in story

[proper furnace]

Since when

[devout roost]

when you get closer to a character to unlock giving out ambroisa

[devout roost]

since all in my runs in styx have 2 cuz i go to all tunnels

[proper furnace]

Lol

[urban echo]

Wait the wells or the selling thing in total?

[proper furnace]

#h1-discussion message easier to just link this

[urban echo]

Thanks

[devout roost]

i believe wells

[urban echo]

For each tunnel or in total?

I thought it was random chance before

[devout roost]

each tunnel definetely does not have 2 guranteed

its pe run i believe

or i might be extremely lucky and get 2 in my every run but i dont think thats the case

[urban echo]

@proper furnace When you run into Eurydice, which item is your usual go to?

[proper furnace]

nectar

[jolly chasm]

Pom can also be really good

But gambling is funny

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

[urban echo]

Thanks guys 🙏🏾

[urban echo]

That’s my most used one. Sometimes I thought the other options were better since they all sound good

[tight basin]

generally speaking, nectar > pom > ambrosia

[urban echo]

ooh

[urban echo]

I beat them thanks guys. (Sry for asking too many questions I be clueless 😂🙏🏾)

[barren ledge]

Best weapon for a build involving Freezing Vortex?

I'm guessing Achilles or something

[rose nexus]

One that uses something else

Achilles isn’t a bad choice for it though

If you’re prophecy chasing definitely try to pick up some other sources of damage like Zeus call or splash dash or you will hate yourself

[midnight pike]

any good builds for chiron bow...i know pure doom build is pretty good

[glad slate]

I try one for this yesterday.
It was :
Special Poseidon
Zeus (what you want)
Duo Zeus and Poseidon
The legendary of Poseidon
The legendary of Zeus
Double impact (Zeus) can be useful with this
It will do lots of damage with a single special. But it’s hard to obtain. In the list, the most important is at the top

[devout roost]

give me a stronk build

[glad slate]

Arthur aspect with the blade of money. Stock this and take the Aphrodite attack. And that’s it. (Approximately 1200 with 3 hits at 2k of gold)

[devout roost]

i cant beat tartarus bro

40 heat is too much

[proper furnace]

What weapon are you doint

Also what's your pact

[devout roost]

everything but tight deadline and the less boon choice thingy

[proper furnace]

[devout roost]

tbh any weapon is fine i only dont have gilgamesh

[proper furnace]

Please just use the timer

[devout roost]

that thing sucks

i hate speedrunning