h1-builds-and-combat

[rotund raptor]

that one sucks

[potent tree]

It really does! It's like a shotgun except it shoots feathers instead of pellets >.<

[plain river]

Piercing w/ out the shortened special

[potent tree]

75% the current animation time. Final offer!

[plain river]

Oh

When I said shortened special

I meant the part where piercing messes with the range

[potent tree]

Oh. I did not know Piercing shortened the range

[plain river]

60% special time would make chiron a boss obliterator

That isn’t a joke btw, with concentrated volley you would be able to hit thousands of base damage total

[limber fjord]

isn't chiron's whole problem that it has insane dps and 0 aoe

[plain river]

As is a purple swift flourish makes it fast enough to chain concentrated volley damage

chiron… doesn’t have insane dps

but yeah it has no aoe

[potent tree]

Is why I wished it could pierce

[rotund raptor]

how tf do i kill meg with the basic sword? with shield of chaos, arrow etc its quite easy. but with sword since i have to be in her face, its impossible not to get hit

[potent tree]

Dash-invuln her attacks

[rotund raptor]

huh

o hwait

yeah thanks, thats smart

[lime anvil]

What would be a good build for zagreus malphon?

I'm thinking stacking debuffs, so dionysis, aphrodite and demeter, but im not 100% sure

[limber fjord]

Malphon is fists right

Flat damage/me are good jumping off points imo

[plain river]

Kind of? Like dionsysus attack with aphrodite special works well here, but dem doesn’t really fit into that.

[lime anvil]

Probably not, but my thinking here is with the one mirror upgrade that deals more damage to things with 2 debuffs, dem's cast goes crazy

I dunno, i'm still fairly early in the game

[plain river]

Dems cast… goes fine

-ish

pstatus is good enough off dio and weak

Dem is a fine addition but nothing to go out of your way with a keepsake for

If anyone force in zeus for his call and run smouldering air, but otherwise it’s really just getting dio and aphrodite in

[somber tiger]

best build for aspect of zeus?

[proper furnace]

Zeus^2

Slap zeus special and get static discharge (pom this one)

That's the basic

For hammers you want exploding return/charged shot

[somber tiger]

ty

[proper furnace]

You can use arte or aphro atk for duos if you want or just add athena for safety

(if going aphro, take zeus call too to actually open the duo)

And for more scaling is double strike/high voltage into zeus legendary

[somber tiger]

so everytime zeuss appear i go for it?

sry my bad english

[proper furnace]

Basically yeah lol

Zeus builds are pretty much "take one zeus boon to do dmg and for scaling add all the other boons under the sun"

[somber tiger]

man everytiime i want zeus boons he doesnt appear

but when i do not need him he is the only to appear

[proper furnace]

Do you have his keepsake?

[somber tiger]

yep

just got the first one that is guaranted

[proper furnace]

Idk how much of the mirror you have but for now to help finding more zeus

When you grab a boon from a god they are added to a pool.
Once you geab a boon from 4 gods, they get locked in and the rest won't appear

That means your chances of seeing zeus go from 1/7 (or 8 if you have reached the final boss) to 1/4

Is not a perfect solution but it def helps

[somber tiger]

i didnt fing aspect of zeus so good against bosses

most bosses move alot

so the special barely hit

[proper furnace]

Recall the shield to reposition

Zeus shield is one of the strongest if used well

Or recall it once and play catch with it

As it follows you guide it through bosses

[somber tiger]

what is the strongest aspect?

the most braindead one

[proper furnace]

Pure oonga bunga is probably eris/achilles/hidden shield

There's ofc stilla skill to be practiced for everything (managing how often you have your buff on, how many cast, etc) but their basics are crazy dmg for your experience

Fists also count ig if you have a good build

Cuz you can hold down the atk button

[limber fjord]

me fists is turbo brain off

hold attack mash dash

[proper furnace]

Chiron is also quite ez as much as I don't like it

Is a straight forward aspect

Attack to tag, spam special until enemy is death or effect runs out

Hestia at its core too

Reload > attack

[somber tiger]

the only bad thing of this game is the titan blood farm you need alot and you get so little

there is a mod that helps in the titan blood farm?

[proper furnace]

Probably?

Just search in nexus mods

I remember just cheating in blood the first time I played through a save editor

[analog mauve]

achilles is hard

[errant narwhal]

noob your icon goes so hard

[proper furnace]

@deep imp moving here to not clog the victory chat

(also regarding for pics, use embeds to upload in other channels)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1190686724121182359/image.png?ex=65a2b46c&is=65903f6c&hm=fb21f9dea9aadff977f602bfd264137b79e7446ebc275aba9aac3a054a246ec3&

Like that

You also had another hammer ok top of your heroic boon that I missed

Also yeah I wouldn't anvil

I don't like serrated but it's clearly doing its job for u now

[deep imp]

ty 🙂

[small mason]

Looking for Recommend build for extreme measures condition.

I’ve reached phase 3 of Hades using strictly Athena boons.

Looking for any advice. Thanks

[eager flint]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[small mason]

@eager flint thanks so much. 1st attempt after checking the guide and completed extreme measures with little difficulty

[viral geode]

are there any multiplicative percentages other than speed? is e.g. ice wine bonus still additive?

[tight basin]

damage reduction and crits

and trap damage

[somber tiger]

guys what i need to do for persefone to come to the underworld?

[tardy cedar]

||defeat hades 10 times,10th time is free,he lets u go||

[plain river]

Honestly this needs to be added to #hades-faq

[tardy cedar]

i think it is spoiler so nope

[wheat needle]

Is Hera with Aphrodite or Artemis cast better?

[tardy cedar]

hera bow with apro cast and artemis attack good

[wheat needle]

Does the Aphrodite cast hit first or does the attack hit first?

[tardy cedar]

both

cus when u charge ur cast to ur attack

they both go at the same time

to get back ur cast u have to kill the foe

[wheat needle]

So Heart Rend can be activated on the first hit?

[vagrant crane]

no

the attack will hit first

[wheat needle]

ohok

[vagrant crane]

but even then

if you have like

a pp/mark crit that also applies weak

heart rend wont apply for that hit

[tardy cedar]

sorry for late reply

u already understood it tho lol

[wheat needle]

A pp??

[plain river]

It is 100% a spoiler, I just didn’t indicate it was a joke very well

[errant narwhal]

pressure points

[tardy cedar]

Oh okay

[wheat needle]

Does casts load into Hera bow consider as an Attack? Or is it still considered a cast?

[plain river]

They’re still considered casts

Same thing with beowulf once you start using it

[tardy cedar]

considered cast

u just charge and combine it with attack

with cast button

makes u deal more damage

[plain river]

Well

It’s more of just combining the cast and attack actions into one

[tardy cedar]

yeah

[plain river]

you load your casts and then they get delivered up close and personal via the attack

No damage is gained, it’s just about the method of delivery

Rather then having that whole casting animation, you just dump a heap of extra damage and effects on your attack

[wheat needle]

ohhh ok thank you guys

[wheat needle]

What are some of the crucial boons for this build?

[eager flint]

flood flare, deadly whatever, mirage shot

and every chaos you can get

and charged shot

[plain river]

They’re on hera

[plain river]

…uhhh

I mean I was just describing Hera’s functionality

if you’re building hera, crush shot with priviledged status and snow burst always works

crush shot works particularly well on Hera because it has high base damage but normally lacks range, and hera gives it range and a quicker method of delivery

Then you just take extra cast damage and casts from chaos

From there you can like put artemis on attack and poseidon on dash and shoot for mirage shot if you want, but that’s a full 4 god pool and not entirely likely.

Another option would be taking zeus for smouldering air with his call and then whichever 4th god

[plain river]

Btw if you have ravenous will and load all your casts you then get the damage boost

iirc

You can also build trippy flare, since it’s also high base damage, but you need stygian soul and then you build towards mirage shot as before

Since it’s a flare and not a shot boon it ends up with the mirage shot bug where the copies do 100% instead of 30%

in this case you especially want extra casts from chaos and wells (and artemis)

And might need to be a bit better at managing your casts

[valid dagger]

Pstatus is a waste on Hera

You don’t want sustained damage, you want burst dmg. Wasting your casts on an enemy only for them to get stuck and leave you with your attack is not the best Hera experience. You want FF to give you that extra amount of dmg unconditionally so you one shot stuff.

[plain river]

Ig I’m outdated

Do you just build smair for crush shot builds now rather then bothering with snow burst?

[valid dagger]

If you want maximum dmg and optimal room clearing it’s Snow burst and Dad call so no smair

[plain river]

[valid dagger]

For casual play it works. Smair works on anything, assuming with Zeus or Dio call, maybe Athena for high heat

[plain river]

~~I mean at high enough heat you don’t really get a choice what call you take ~~

[valid dagger]

|| EM4 ||

[plain river]

I meant ||ap2|| but ig

[valid dagger]

Well you take em4 to avoid ap2 so you get to choose your boons

[wheat needle]

What about heart rend? Is it better than mirage shot or nah?

[wheat needle]

Whats FF?

And smair and Dad call?

[plain river]

heart rend doesn’t really add anything here

[plain river]

Family Favourites

The green side of priviledged status

[plain river]

Smouldering air, aphro/zeus duo

[plain river]

Dad call comes from his ||keepsake||

It’s a spoiler of you don’t already know so idk if you want to hit that

[wheat needle]

I hit it

[wheat needle]

But crit from Artemis’s attack?

[plain river]

yeah but the bulk of your damage is the casts

And the casts are consistnet

Mirage shot is consistent

You’ll hit breakpoints way more consistently with mirage shor

[wheat needle]

So the keepsakes I should go for are Aphrodite and Artemis?

Or Demeter?

[proper furnace]

I'd say force demeter in aspho if you didn't find either of them

If you find dem tho, don't force arty asap, check charon well and if its good you could also hourglass for example

But if you are missing dem but have arty I'd def use dem's keepsake in aspho

[wheat needle]

And Aphrodite in Tart?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[wheat needle]

Is snow burst that good? Why not try to go for mirage shot instead?

[eager flint]

you'll struggle in styx if you don't have AOE

[proper furnace]

Snow burst gets you AoE to kill off small enemies without wasting your casts

Biggest example flamewheels/the eyes of elysium enemies

Also yeah crush shot small AoE won't help for styx

[wheat needle]

Does flamewheel and the big ones hurt you when they blow up?

[proper furnace]

Big chariots don't explode but yeah their dmg is by crashing into you

[wheat needle]

So when the small ones die they dont hurt me?

[proper furnace]

The small ones do explode

[plain river]

Aoe

[plain river]

Yeah. A wise man once told me “the best kind of crowd control (defence) is death”

[nimble relic]

for lucifer gun whats better as 1st hammer, inf ammo no ramp up, triple special, double ramp up speed?

[plain river]

Triple

[proper furnace]

Triple bomb

[plain river]

if you don’t find triple bomb first hammer, eternal chamber and concentrated beam both boost your odds of finding triple bomb by 16% for second hammer

From 42% to 50%

[nimble relic]

hot take but lucifer best railgun

[plain river]

And triple bomb is the lucifer hammer

[plain river]

Idk

If I wanted a laser I would just take zag sword

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flurry.mp4?ex=65a01a9c&is=658da59c&hm=acd16bb47a163df82dece500f9a163a04cee31c1229a31b9c7b665850ff7b06f&

[nimble relic]

thats just m1s?

[analog mauve]

i want this

[nimble relic]

sane

same

ye its got hermes atk boost which idk how he got in house

[plain river]

You don’t understand how many runs I’ve tried

[plain river]

Codex mod

[nimble relic]

explain

[analog mauve]

[plain river]

Ever since I saw the clip I periodically do a few runs trying to get the stars to align for flurry, piercing wave and heroic swift strike

[nimble relic]

oh so thats not so much as the sword alone

[plain river]

He has flurry in house

And a lv10 swift strike

Now idk if codex mod changes anything

But last I checked

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1083402969342541934/output.png?ex=65a001a4&is=658d8ca4&hm=bc6812745fb83ef881fb3291838f941518062c434d5a8ad4a70036a0c01a76c0&

[nimble relic]

these graphs r useless why does everyone use them/

it says its 40 at lv 10

[plain river]

The whole joke with this graph is that you can’t level swift strike

So the pom scaling is just a flat line

[nimble relic]

oh its a joke

[plain river]

Yeah

The other graphs are real

this one is also real

[nimble relic]

ah kk

[plain river]

But it’s a joke at the same time

Like these two are very accurate

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1087177322844663898/output.png?ex=65920d48&is=657f9848&hm=999135768ef09f9aa0b74557debdaea2b93d0b421db76245be4725d6bd099a29&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1088599008890597477/output.png?ex=65973954&is=6584c454&hm=36336442537c5c03799bac7bd506ced6ea5cbdd14d843da179e82953b4257343&

[nimble relic]

dude i have been in hades community full on for like 1 month

i played hades before the month

but never the community

so i get none of the jokes

[plain river]

This one not so much:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1101596110654537869/output.png?ex=65a197d3&is=658f22d3&hm=3c3bc66b99d618b4c14d86caad62dde71ecd10c7842f60211c067a72ce1915c5&

[plain river]

Well it’s less of a community specific joke and more of just the same graphs used for real pom scaling applied to things that can’t level up

[nimble relic]

ohhhh

[plain river]

Like you can’t pom a touch of styx but ask hellfirebot

And it’ll give you a graph anyways

[nimble relic]

best weapon for artemis ?

[eager flint]

nemesis, hades, kinda achilles I guess, zagbow, kindaaa chiron

[somber tiger]

best build for nemesis and poseidon?

[wheat needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172434955415060490/1191053609052413972/image.png?ex=65a40a1d&is=6591951d&hm=5b6eae1f7a2e62248dfe50a7b744f7baceca2720e283c07d62c106d7148a1930&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1090&height=612

Stubborn root or reroll once to try and get ME?

[proper furnace]

If you need stubborn for the prophecy might as well but I'd roll for ME

[wheat needle]

alright I need it for the prophecy thing

lets hope for ME later

[plain river]

“Kinda achilles”

… it’s just “achilles”

[proper furnace]

Btw I recommend swapping dark regeneration back to purple

Specially once you start leveling dark foresight more

[wheat needle]

oh right whats the max HP given for the purple one?

[proper furnace]

+3 per room

[wheat needle]

okay ty

[plain river]

It’s a lot more consistent especially once the amount of darkness you see goes down

[proper furnace]

And even without DF I'm picking darkness as last resort

Fated keys too good

[wheat needle]

Wdym without death defiance? In high heat?

[proper furnace]

Defiances are abbreviated as DD usually

DF is dark foresight

Although yeah in high heat you don't use DDs lol

[wheat needle]

oh

[proper furnace]

Stubborn defiance gaming

[wheat needle]

I just rerolled Ares twice and no ME

and Athena no mE

@proper furnaceIf I take the stubbon root I can still get ME right?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

ME isn't blocked by anything

[wheat needle]

Welp ig im just unlucky then

[proper furnace]

Except bad luck

[wheat needle]

:((

[eager flint]

The fates are not smiling upon you. Or me. Or most ME players.

[wheat needle]

Let me see if I can get my third win with this

[eager flint]

Well, as long as you're not playing TD you can

[proper furnace]

How much time you have left?

They are on td1 lol

[eager flint]

you always can

The question is, will you win ? :p

[wheat needle]

Im crying the run went so good but I was rushing like usual thing gamers do lol I had 14 mins before fighting him

His HP was 1cm

or less

[somber tiger]

you receive something for getting get max hearts with all characters?

[eager flint]

you can see all the lil pins in your keepsake box

[somber tiger]

sry my english

[eager flint]

no worries

[limber fjord]

the chibi characters give you motivation

[somber tiger]

man find so funny that when im doing a attack build i get epic aphrodite fluorish

when i do a special focused build i didnt get this boon

[limber fjord]

arte attack -> heart rend

[somber tiger]

for you guys what is the worst weapon i mean the less good one bcs all weapons are good

[vagrant crane]

fists

[limber fjord]

i personally dislike fists the most

i feel very shoohorned into me on it

[eager flint]

chaos aspect

[vagrant crane]

hey it has a 61

[eager flint]

it just frustrates me to no end how useless its "upside" is

[vagrant crane]

chaos is definitely the most useless aspect

[somber tiger]

fist is my favorite weapon

i just find funny dashing around spamming the attack button then using the boosted special

[plain river]

? You forgot aspect of aeiou

[limber fjord]

i suppose it also doesn't help that i have difficulty comboing into dash special

[somber tiger]

i also like chiron aspect and zag spear

[limber fjord]

zag spear?

i've legitmately never touched zag spear outside of a heat 0 spear

[somber tiger]

i do not like high heat

i like to play low heat

bcs i can use more weapons

in high heat im limited to just a few weapons

[limber fjord]

i'm not sure that's true?

[somber tiger]

in high heat if you want to have a good time you need to use only the boosted aspects

like zeus shield

[proper furnace]

Depends how high you wanna go

[limber fjord]

i think 32 should be clearable on all aspects?

[proper furnace]

40 heat anything has little problems

[limber fjord]

o damn

[proper furnace]

Every aspect is on like 50+ range I think?

[somber tiger]

well im new to the game yet im still finishing the history i just did 2 32 heat runs

[proper furnace]

You are already better than most players then

[somber tiger]

one with zeus shield and other with nemesis

[limber fjord]

i'm tempted to say screw it and go from 14 heat to 32 heat

[proper furnace]

I've seen someone do it from 8 heat

[limber fjord]

trial by fire this

[somber tiger]

i already played hollow knight and dead cells so hades is prety much a pushover

but i like hades more bcs i love the greek mythology aspect and man the history is just awesome and i love the osts and the designs too

[limber fjord]

i am 1000% not good enough for dead cells

i cleared 0bc and haven't beat 1bc

[somber tiger]

deadd cells is easy if you use boosted builds

[limber fjord]

i mostly find it very annoying getting rng weapons

[somber tiger]

its like dark souls or elden ring the game is easy if you plays as a mage

anyone with the bare minimun skill can finish any souls game with mage

[proper furnace]

I did up to 3 bc and that was with custom mode to remove most stuff

Then 4-5 bc with assist mode too

[somber tiger]

im hyped for hades 2 it will be released next year right?

[limber fjord]

EA projected in 2024 Q2

[somber tiger]

the 1st game is this good imagine the 2nd game is sad that hades is not so famous

i mean not as famous as dead cells or hollow knight

[limber fjord]

honestly the most enjoyable part of this roguelike is that you get to force the basic aspects of builds but have to adapt to the finer details

hades literally won indie goty at tga 2020

(i think? i know it was nominated)

[somber tiger]

ye it was nominated for goty on 2020 and i mean being nominated for goty 2020 is alredy an big acomplish bcs tgoty 2020 was stacked

with masterpieces

hades won as the best action game

[limber fjord]

hades won indie and action game award and was nominated for for like 7 other categories, id be surprised if hades was less popular than DC

[somber tiger]

at leats here in Brazil hades is prety unpopular

most ppl never ever heard about hades

[limber fjord]

they're missing out smh

[somber tiger]

here in Brazil the most talked games are fortnite,counter striker,free fire,minecraft, league of legends and valorant

those game are the only ones that everyone talks about here in Brazil

and i already played alot of good games but man hades could be my top 1

[plain river]

It’s fine higher up

You just need to hit flurry or (explosive+ charged)

[plain river]

Matty

[somber tiger]

im using explosive shot man and im loving it

i just love spears probably my favorite medieval weapon

i mean who doesnt like a big pointy stick XD

[south sonnet]

i did it from 10, you should be fine

[plain river]

People on the receiving end

[limber fjord]

if i could consistently clear under td3 i would be less nervous

[plain river]

You can

Are you pausing to make decisions?

[proper furnace]

Trying a few speedruns is always helpful for that

[limber fjord]

i'm incorporating pausing into it

[south sonnet]

td2 exists

[plain river]

Watching a few speedruns for your aspect should give you the vibes

of what to do with your play

or just get faster

[proper furnace]

Or luckier

Hit all the free rooms

[limber fjord]

i definitely need to learn breakpoints on hera

am i supposed to take less fights on td3?

[plain river]

You don’t need to know breakpoints to break td3

[proper furnace]

Hera biggest enemy is the bp effect that increases hp

[limber fjord]

i just jam all casts and hope for the best

[proper furnace]

Especially on the later biomes

A bad ely combat takes forever

[plain river]

In general for speed purposes it’s better to just take free rooms
chaos boon, no time loss
Story room bonus, no time loss
Shop: no fighting, not time/hp loss

[limber fjord]

story room?

the ! rooms like sisy and euridyce?

[proper furnace]

/eury/patty

[limber fjord]

ah

[proper furnace]

Can also get lucky and find fountains

Only free room you can't get is survival rooms thanks to TD

[eager flint]

I don't always go to shops on TD3, if I don't have anything to buy. But otherwise story rooms and usually chaos I take

TD3 can be hard for tartarus if your build sucks, but otherwise it's usually pretty manageable

[proper furnace]

On tart I've done charon fights/trials

[limber fjord]

you always click chaos on hera so that's whatever

golden rule of roguelikes is just hit

[proper furnace]

Less true on 32 heat but sometimes I've skipped chaos

Lack of rerolls/hp/soon to reach a boss etc

[limber fjord]

i never check chamber number

catch me walking into lernie with 300% trap curse

[proper furnace]

We ball mentality

[plain river]

117 purple Jolted or Smair?

It’s a crit based zag bow with zeus call

in styx

[analog mauve]

What are you r call poms

[plain river]

Purple w/ 1 pomp

& common double strike

0 chance of a second zeus boon

[analog mauve]

Zeus jackpot

Damn

[proper furnace]

I'd take smair if zeus call is your only jolted source

[analog mauve]

I would take smair

[plain river]

I mean Zap reflexes

But smair seems to make most sense

[analog mauve]

Reflex makes taking the jolt a consideration

[proper furnace]

smair is also safety through call iframes

[plain river]

Is fiery presence worth it on fists?

Seems like I’m hitting for so little anyways

[proper furnace]

helps killing stuff like witches in tart with your special

[tight basin]

duppers in tart go hard

mainly against witches but idrk any other break points after that

might wanna look into ananke's guide

[viral geode]

will swift strike decrease reload speed?

[analog mauve]

no

[viral geode]

ok thanks

[wheat needle]

How effective is the tracking thing from crystal clarity?

[tight basin]

makes beams actually usable

so good

[wheat needle]

okie ty

[limber fjord]

the tracking is quite aggressive

honestly crystal beam is not super useable on anything that moves with out clarity

[vagrant crane]

and its usability is still very questionable with the duo

[wooden jungle]

Is it better to grab heart rend or unhealthy fixation? Offered both from this boon

Currently have Achilles spear with Artemis attack and passion dash if it helps

[eager flint]

Heart rend

[south sonnet]

whats your method of applying weak

[wooden jungle]

Just dash around does so they're weaker

[proper furnace]

I'd take rend there too

Unless fixation has the prophecy mark still then I'd just pick it up now to get it done with

[wooden jungle]

Nah I already got her legendary

Thanks for the help!

[proper furnace]

@wheat needle moving here to know fill out the victory chat too much

For beams you pretty much want the duo and glaciar glare

[wheat needle]

ohok

[proper furnace]

Artic blast is also fun

Then the wishful thinking is finding enough Artemis to open her legendary

Otherwise just get as many +1 casts from chaos or charon wells

[wheat needle]

Yea im trying to do that

What about other gods?

Hermes

[limber fjord]

hermes is guaranteed

[proper furnace]

Hermes usual hyper sprint + rush delivery or auto reload into legendary

[limber fjord]

bad news is a little broken

[proper furnace]

(meme beams are usually run with stygian soul)

Is aight

Is a common hyper delivery with no extra scaling

Getting glaciar glare early is fun for poms

[wheat needle]

With stygian soul I can have more than one beam in the room?

[proper furnace]

Each one adds +1 second

[limber fjord]

yes if you have +1 casts

from prom/chaos/art leg

[proper furnace]

Beams stay for 5 seconds, stygian regens in 3

[limber fjord]

they reload on their own timer

[proper furnace]

So yeah +1 cast makes it good

Tho that means that if you don't find any is uh

Ouch

[wheat needle]

So if I cast again it will replace the location?

[limber fjord]

no it just adds more beams

#h1-victory-boasting message

[proper furnace]

No you just put down another

[wheat needle]

oh cool

[limber fjord]

i have a vid of my run with 5 beams

[south sonnet]

on beam, the boons you want are:
crystal clarity
fully loaded
mirage shot
pressure points+hunter's mark
quick reload
glacial glare+arctic blast

[proper furnace]

Auto reload*

[wheat needle]

oh ye mirage shot

[proper furnace]

Quick is how fast they unlodge

Which can't get on beams

Also you can add any call

Decent beams run will charge them super fast

[wheat needle]

Do people usually run this with Achilles?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

+150% is a lot

[wheat needle]

Im still at 50% xd

[south sonnet]

it is hard to manage though

[proper furnace]

That's pos/talos buff at max lvl

Achilles lvl 1 is already the same so that's funny

[wheat needle]

whats pos?

[limber fjord]

achilles is really not fair on a cast build is it

posiedon

blade

[proper furnace]

Poseidon sword

[limber fjord]

fml i can't remember if its ei or ie

hades players reading challenge

[south sonnet]

poseidon

[wheat needle]

For Pos sword do people go for artemis cast?

[proper furnace]

Crush shot or phalanx

Tho lot of casual players do go for true shot into exit wounds

Bc they need to make up for true shot low dmg anyways

[wheat needle]

But they are short range and hard to cast without taking dmg?

[south sonnet]

better to just go for crush shot and then get exit

[limber fjord]

phalanx is long range, homing, and deflects wdym

[proper furnace]

Sword gaming anyways

[wheat needle]

oh mb

[proper furnace]

Also yeah phalanx isn't short but I wouldn't use it at long range

Miss once and oops, cast is out of bounds

[limber fjord]

you miss once in asp and are down 1 cast for the encounter

[wheat needle]

fr

[proper furnace]

Aspho I just take the dip into lava

[south sonnet]

its only like 5 damage at max

[proper furnace]

Elysium is worse in bridge room where it just stays in the middle

Or worse in dad fight

[wheat needle]

So I should get the Hermes quick cast boon too

[south sonnet]

not flurry

[limber fjord]

i don't find that one particularly good

[south sonnet]

on poseidon runs its fine since youre spamming

[proper furnace]

Flurry is nice QoL but I wouldn't aim for it

Just as a cope if hyper sprint or dashes didn't show up

[wheat needle]

okay thank you guys

[proper furnace]

Oh yeah for phalanx you can go for zeus and their duo

Electric shot but better

I remember my pos 32 run ended up as busted smair run lol

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/905879069659390032/2021110414595100-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg?ex=65a02ca0&is=658db7a0&hm=1000389ac23424651b713137eaf3a5eceafd9b6a5fddba6d48b5645f766e2540&

Why was the brightness so high

[wheat needle]

ohok that looks OP

[limber fjord]

lc4 hl4???

i could never

[proper furnace]

You get used to it

Is only hl4 cuz 33 heat looks ugly

[south sonnet]

just have sd

[eager flint]

HL5 LC4 is on the easier side of pacts

sure HL5 stings

but all in all it's pretty manageable when it's not mixed with too many other pacts

[limber fjord]

i think i need to stop getting hit

[south sonnet]

hl5 lc4 is basically just dont die to bosses

[eager flint]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hypnos-eyebrows-innuendo-gif-18838316

[limber fjord]

my 11 heat runs with fo 2 are like 10x more difficult than my 16 heat run with other things

[eager flint]

FO2 is just needing some getting used to

[limber fjord]

perhaps

[eager flint]

It's rarely too fast to avoid, it's just we all react to the FO0 patterns until we learn the new ones

[limber fjord]

i've made it to heroes this time at least before getting absolutely railed

[south sonnet]

me trying to dodge dad spear jab and inferno bomber jump:

[limber fjord]

me trying to hit bombers while they jump around

seriously movement enemies are my bane on fo2

[eager flint]

dad spear is only part of certain patterns, you can avoid it by knowing it's coming

and curb your asphodel is just how it be

[south sonnet]

impossible

the only 3.5 patterns i know are:
triple
triple w/cast
double speen

[eager flint]

the "double skull into jab" is scarred into my very soul

oh wait, you meant spear throw ?

I think spear throw is only part of certain patterns too, but i'm less sure

[south sonnet]

i suck at the normal jab

just a simple jab

the telegraph is too short

[eager flint]

the telegraph is the previous moves of the pattern

[plain river]

Arte cast is never the answer

The crit chance is just so low

[fallow lantern]

New Lucifer Triple Bomb strat just dropped https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922222480121299035/1191458654357028984/image.png?ex=65a58357&is=65930e57&hm=eb4d9438d0b2a503a37fad8436b763ac80c580e7cdf58bc47996970357612c56&

If you're fast enough at using special, laying 3 bombs will only make the oldest 1 explode, no matter how many bombs are in the room

[fluid prism]

world splitter or double edge?

[eager flint]

Double edge

[fluid prism]

i thought so

tbh

[eager flint]

and I'm a fan of world splitter

That tells you how good double edge is

[fluid prism]

so really its either or?

oh nbm

nvm

hehe

double edge it is

[tight basin]

No other sword hammer really compares to double edge

[analog mauve]

Flurry zagsword

[eager flint]

I'll take world splitter over flurry every day

Better hitbox, better movement, doesn't mess up your dash strikes

Also not sure about DPS, I'd love to have a comparison. Shouldn't be too hard, just hit Skelly until dead and see how long it took. But I'm on my phone now

[proper furnace]

Skelly testing will never be good cuz no boons or actual builds

[eager flint]

Meh, I don't see huge difference in scaling between flurry and world splitter unless you go flurry with Zeus strike, jolted and/or legendary

But I might be forgetting something for sure lol

Oh wait

Speaking of forgetting

I forgot you can't have hammers in the courtyard

If you need a mod anyway, might test with boons too

[plain river]

Hopefully this paints a picture of it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1092918262649602058/IMG_3411.png?ex=659db573&is=658b4073&hm=c13ef1aa9ae8cd2f2be657a125165367e66753149b78a626c8f49ebea4cd0fdc&

[gaunt loom]

favourite spear builds? i kinda hate the weapon and want to see how other people are playing with it

[limber fjord]

achilles cast

[plain river]

Flurry jab on ones that can take it, achilles gets to make cast builds w/ like hunting blades or phalanx, and every other spear than achilles can do explosive launcher + charged skewer

[tight basin]

cast builds on achilles is considered the strongest way to play spear

[plain river]

guan-yu has explosive built in

[gaunt loom]

recommended cast?

[tight basin]

hunting blades or lighting phalanx

[gaunt loom]

ty

[south sonnet]

exploding zagspear
blizzard/hunting blades achilles
not dad spear
attack guan yu

[plain river]

@delicate elm I’m just going to move this convo over so I don’t end up flooding victories

[delicate elm]

Ye thought the same

[plain river]

Deep pocket allows you to control your build early and boost your success early

You want to fill out your attack/special/cast/dash early because otherwise the game will keep giving you more

It prioritises giving you one if you don’t

[delicate elm]

Yeah I got that

[south sonnet]

and also it makes tart/asph faster

[plain river]

the other thing is you want to work with gods that play nicely together

Like with dionysus here you want to try out aphrodite on your other attack/special

Since low tolerance allows you to stack 8 times

[delicate elm]

Yeah I haven’t gotten into the depth of building honestly

[plain river]

You also really want to put levels into hangover boons

[delicate elm]

I always avoid poms honestly

Whenever I have the choice

Idunno why they don’t fit right to me but that’s mby because I always feel more hp is better than more dmg

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1036434099537199185/IMG_2451.jpg?ex=65a479f9&is=659204f9&hm=16194df99cd93ea8de37f8a156f4ff55a03f047714b0e381c665316170413f6a&

Trust me

you can still have a lot of hp with a lot of poms

and poms have huge value

[south sonnet]

kill faster=get hit elss

[plain river]

especially on hangover

[south sonnet]

on my usual runs, i get a decent amount of poms(10-15) and 250-300 health

[delicate elm]

I guess

You can see on my 32 heat run I’ve had one pom and it was probably last shop spare money

I’ll try to focus more on that

[plain river]

This is also an example of gods that play nicely together. Both aphrodite and Ares come together on dionysus builds to boost your damage by 2.2 times

[south sonnet]

technically you can be a big brain and purge boons for more money to buy more poms

the wonders of golden touch

[plain river]

Golden touch ❌

[delicate elm]

Me purging a duo to get more money for the blood ahead

[plain river]

I have recently but it wasn’t for blood

It was Lightning Rod and I didn’t really need it but was looking for other boons

[delicate elm]

Also corn over skelly ?

[limber fjord]

corn blocks way more damage

5 free hits vs dad saves over 100 hp easily

[delicate elm]

I guess if not em4 it makes sense

No miniboss to be aware

[plain river]

Wouldn’t take em4

Acorn is just the best defensive keepsake

[limber fjord]

i'd argue that corn is stronger in em4, even

you want as much hp and defiances going into phase 3

the only downside to corn is avoiding adds that break charges for no damage

[plain river]

eh

The issue with em4

Is some ||minibosses he spawns|| shred your acorn

[delicate elm]

Only issue with em4 are the miniboss rng

Ye right

[limber fjord]

oh i forgot that he spawns minibosses rather than adds

god phase 1 sucks

[plain river]

But even then you still got 5 free hits

[delicate elm]

Phase 1 & 3

Phase 2

[south sonnet]

1 is fine just dont run away

or turn your brightness on

[delicate elm]

Ye it’s fine if u don’t have the heat that gives perks to miniboss

I love that they tp randomly and proc my acorn

[limber fjord]

i mean i would simply not take super dad unless i really wanted a challenge or was doing some insane 58 heat run or something

[south sonnet]

you usually dont take em4 until you get to 50

40-50 is when you start to take em4

[delicate elm]

I am considering super dad over the 100% more dmg every time I need to heat up because if he’s not gonna one shot me I can handle it

[limber fjord]

speaking of all of this, i think the next step towards improving is picking up lc4 in my pacts

[south sonnet]

em4 is a lot harder than hl5 dad

[limber fjord]

i've... mostly been able to handle fo2

[delicate elm]

Never went higher than hl2

em4 gives 4 heat hl gives one heat per deadly 20% the math is not mathing

[south sonnet]

you can just replace lc with hl

[plain river]

@delicate elm so here I more than tripled my hangover damage purely through poms

[delicate elm]

I have never went higher than 1lc on any of my run either

[limber fjord]

em4 scales insanely hard with all other pacts you take

[south sonnet]

well this is a bit extreme of an example because dio pom scaling is epic

[plain river]

At lc4 you practically have to run sd

[delicate elm]

I never pimped those 2 first higher than bare minimum

[south sonnet]

just ri4 smh

[delicate elm]

The only real struggle is super dad 40% faster but if u don’t lose ur death defiance before (Which u shouldn’t if ur hl is low) you should be fine

[south sonnet]

i havent used dd in so long

use sd its cooler

[delicate elm]

Sd is fine if I go lc4

But I’m keeping low lc

[south sonnet]

you also dont really have to worry too much about hl, since you can reset eachr oom

[delicate elm]

Omg all this talking makes me wanna run the game

I wanna try a new pact now

[south sonnet]

ri4 lc4 hl5 em4 td3

[delicate elm]

Dionysus is probably the only god I would consider using pom on with Zeus because anyone else is meh

[south sonnet]

actually make that 5l4

[south sonnet]

ZEUS STATISTICAL DISCHARGE

[limber fjord]

statistical discharge

[plain river]

Pomming both zeus and poseidon (tidal dash) are big brain plays

[limber fjord]

i wish the game kept track of how much damage boons were doing

[plain river]

And if you ever play a cast build, pom tf out of your cast

[limber fjord]

on paper jolted seems mega awful but the dps increase feels noticable

[plain river]

jolted only gets better with forced overtime too

[delicate elm]

Jolted is better if u have the 40% speed

[limber fjord]

true, i noticed that

[plain river]

It’s one of the 3 ways forced overtime makes your game faster

[limber fjord]

i know they walk to you faster, but what's the third?

[plain river]

Spawning faster

[limber fjord]

really? that's crazy

[plain river]

I don’t have all the graphs since hellfire bot is indefinitely down

[tight basin]

i might have it

[plain river]

both pomming hangover boons, tidal dash and static discharge are huge

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1008473047440838706/image.png?ex=65a444b7&is=6591cfb7&hm=722f81c7c8891c83a61b45f504c804ad64b36da0ccc0fc60c0e3d33e5b9e5808&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=800&height=600

[plain river]

No clue for the casts

[south sonnet]

doom poms

[limber fjord]

oh i just realized that eris zeus is recommended for pushing high heat

[tight basin]

eris zeus is kinda like the default eris build

[limber fjord]

i just used it cuz it let me clear faster so i could push td3

[tight basin]

zeus on eris is like it's only build lmao

[south sonnet]

i will never td3

[tight basin]

other than like hangover with a bunch of poms

[south sonnet]

cast
dash
spread fire
clockets

[limber fjord]

i've tried dio art aphro and it wasn't awful

[tight basin]

cast on eris is a scam
dash is part of the build
clockets is also part of it

they're also like

separate facets of eris

but also clockets and tdash is just general rail boons

[south sonnet]

no athena is the general rail boon

[delicate elm]

How would u play a 12 heat run

Rn I'm going em4 dc2

[tight basin]

there's a heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[south sonnet]

do td1

[tight basin]

i also certainly would not use that pact lmao

[south sonnet]

i do em4 for practice

[delicate elm]

Mmh

[eager flint]

FO2 is more important for practice imo

[limber fjord]

yes

[delicate elm]

So em4 fo1

Would probably make more sense

[tight basin]

what are you practicing for

[south sonnet]

em4

[tight basin]

apart from that

what's the reason for practicing em4 lmao

[south sonnet]

so i dont die as hard on heat runs

[tight basin]

and yet you wont practice td3

which is arguably more important for higher heats

[south sonnet]

screw td3

i need to fish

[tight basin]

lmao

you can still fish on td3 time

[limber fjord]

timer is paused during fishing

so

[south sonnet]

the time to get there and back is lost

[tight basin]

i'd say em4 takes more time than that time lost from fishing

[limber fjord]

if you need to optimize td3 down to like 15 seconds then you need to go faster anyways

[delicate elm]

How much heat is td3

3 ?

[limber fjord]

6 total

1-2-3

[delicate elm]

Oh that's

Something

[limber fjord]

maybe it's just how i play but td3 never seemed particularly out of reach, and i've definitely become more consistent with it after forcing myself to do fo2

dead things can't kill you back

[south sonnet]

well about every enemy in hades is dead

[limber fjord]

hm

[plain river]

eh

Debatable

[limber fjord]

*points at that one reddit post of some guy ohko phase 3 with rama

[eager flint]

touché

[limber fjord]

so what exactly do you do while asterius is whirlwinding

dps thesus?

[plain river]

Yeah

[eager flint]

usually I just wait for him to stop and feel sad, Theseus is zooming somewhere else at that point

[south sonnet]

or hit asterius if you have range

[limber fjord]

does zeus eris take chaos?

since attack buffs don't effect flat damage

[plain river]

Special damage

And timesaved is timesaved

[south sonnet]

and favor

[plain river]

Free max hp and gold also exisr

[plain river]

Just avoid js3 chaos boons

[tight basin]

I mean the last phase of em4 takes more than a minute for high heat

If the time lost to fishing is more than that then that's surprising tbh

[plain river]

Oh I mean time saved via fishing

[gaunt loom]

is there anything to make hestia better other than aphro strike and athena dash (not that it needs it)

[plain river]

Use that but also take zeus call

And smouldering air

And hypersprint + rush delivery

[tight basin]

tidal dash instead of athena dash

clockets

other than what was already mentioned, that's about it

[proper furnace]

Without clockets, tidal dash + breaking wave is good for clearing styx

[gaunt loom]

also ive heard rushed delivery has weird math behind it that makes it better than it would be otherwise how does it work?

[proper furnace]

Also if no clockets, go for hazard bomb

[proper furnace]

You mean how movement speed is multiplicative?

[plain river]

It just multiplies your bonus movement

Some people think it just adds the % number of rush delivery when you have a movespeed buff but that isn’t true

[gaunt loom]

ah ok ty

also is there a doc or something with common abbreviations cus im still relatively new and have no clue what clockets is

[plain river]

If you have 300% bonus movement speed, you have 300% * rush delivery added to your damage additive

[plain river]

Cluster + rockets

As far as I know, not really

[tight basin]

yeah there is hold on

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FX-AqLhWwGBnnvH-wYkTQGKZkAOopEzv2efsMVfGH4U/edit

ik it says speedrunning but a lot of the terms used here is also there

[gaunt loom]

ty

[plain river]

The big standouts are cshot (charged shot shield), dedge (double edge sword), and clockets (cluster + rocket rail)

Aside from that everything is an acronym of boons

Which are all straight forward

[gaunt loom]

also if you dont mind me asking whats so great about smouldering air?

[plain river]

Most calls get a ton more value when used sporadically

namely zeus and dionysus

and since it charges your call in 5 seconds

You are now able to spam out a ton of high dps minicalls

[gaunt loom]

ohh i thought it was 1% every second

[plain river]

It’s 1% every 0.2 seconds

[gaunt loom]

damn wow

[plain river]

yeah

You may want to double check all the seconds on boons

Idk if you were under the impression any others were but none that I can remember are 1 second

[tight basin]

killing freeze i think?

[gaunt loom]

will do

[tight basin]

nvm that's 0.5 sec

[plain river]

Oh 1% a second is the hermes boon

[proper furnace]

That's the hermes boon I think

[tight basin]

oh yeah that exists

[plain river]

At certain rarity

[proper furnace]

Quick favor is so sad

[gaunt loom]

hermes always distracting me smh

[plain river]

send a tip to the Hades artist(s?)

[gaunt loom]

only if we get aphro at a different angle

[plain river]

[wheat needle]

What aspect people usually play with smair?

[plain river]

Any

It just works

Typically though it’d be an aspect that isn’t cast focused

Since those will build towards their casts

[wheat needle]

Yea but why?

[plain river]

Why would cast based aspects build towards casts? Because they benefit the most from those builds

Also I’m going to just say “castpects”

Cast-based is too longPl

Smouldering air can still be slapped on any of those just fine

But they’ll typically get a ton more value from properly building around a cast

[wheat needle]

Im sorry but im confused, you said typically an aspect that is not cast focused
So I should use castspects with smair or not?

[proper furnace]

You can use it but you'll get more value from just buffing your cast

[visual crane]

Hi, what is the best mirror setup in Your opinion?

[proper furnace]

Check #h1-for-new-players pins for mirror guide

[wheat needle]

okay thanks

Does Mirage shot do anything with Hera?

Or can you even get it in a run with Hera

[proper furnace]

You don't really go out of your way to get it on hera

Like sure if both arte and pos appear you could aim for it but is also gonna be somewhat rare as you are also opening heart rend and sweet nectar

And whatever pos core you take is also gonna mess with pom options so you could miss out on your cast

[limber fjord]

someone had a hera guide and basically said if you see arte or pos in tart you keepsake the other

otherwise it's not worth going out of your way for

[valid dagger]

Not worth unless you have Snow Burst

[wheat needle]

Okay but what does Mirage shot do with Hera does it fires a second cast that deals 30% dmg too?

[proper furnace]

Yeah

[wheat needle]

ohok

[proper furnace]

The duo works the same in anything

[wheat needle]

ohh

[proper furnace]

The only thing different is a bug with casts that says flare instead of shot (so beowulf or hera with Dio's cast)

Where the 2nd cast will do the 100% dmg

And thunder flare ks also weird

Where mirage doesn't work on it cuz it has 0 cast dmg

[wheat needle]

Why not just take Arte and Pos and other gods instead? Why Aphro?

[proper furnace]

Aphro's cast has the 2nd highest dmg (trippy is higher but that one has its own issues)

For hera true shot also lacks any AoE and dmg, poseidon knocback pushes enemies from the rest of your casts

Beowulf does use flood flare though for the bug, Big AoE and it has barely any knockback

[limber fjord]

there's also athena cast which, uh, exists?

[proper furnace]

Phalanx is 2nd best cast for hera but the difference vs crush shot is huge

[wheat needle]

But does it deal more dmg than crush shot with mirage shot?

[proper furnace]

Not really

Also crush shot has wallbug for skilled players

(shooting your casts at certain angles so it stops with a wall makes the cast not lodge)

So you get to spam your casts without the 5s drop time

[wheat needle]

oh

kk

@proper furnace Is there a Hera build that is as good as Aphrodite or similar?

[limber fjord]

pretty sure no other cast comes remotely close

there's the charged special hammer meme build that exists

[proper furnace]

Phalanx shot is your other option but yeah, world difference between them

Charged volley

[proper furnace]

And ig you can do trippy flare to use mirage bug but you are better off using beowulf for this to also have the pom bug

[wheat needle]

whats this and charged special hammer?

[proper furnace]

Is the same hammer

Lets you hold special for up to... +200% base dmg I think?

I've seen people run it for zag bow and you could run it on hera cuz they have the same special but like why

[wheat needle]

250%

[wheat needle]

Weird meme lol

[golden cedar]

any build for nem?

[plain river]

Crit focused

Take aphrodite on attack, artemis on special, nab heart rend

[golden cedar]

nab heart rend?

[plain river]

Or run merciful end with doom strike, athena special, athena dash

[plain river]

find and pick up heart rend

[golden cedar]

ight

gonna try the aphro artemis build

[plain river]

And just dash into enemies

[plain river]

Take chaos whenever you can for dtrike and dash strike damage

And look for double edge

[golden cedar]

bet

ight

[dapper harness]

(you could also do the reverse with arti attk and aphro special)

[golden cedar]

welp

[plain river]

Yeah but then you need even more chaos

[golden cedar]

got both of them epic first try

somehow

[plain river]

Aphrodite provides the consistent damage

[golden cedar]

yeah

47% dstrike or 79% on normal atk

[proper furnace]

If you mean chaos, take attack

[golden cedar]

yeah chaos

welp ight

[proper furnace]

Ah forgot to ask

What were the curses

[golden cedar]

for the dstrike it was hidden rew and for the atk it was no money

[proper furnace]

Yeah even more reason for atk then

[golden cedar]

lol yeah

[proper furnace]

The earlier hidden rewards shows up the worse

[golden cedar]

yeah

Somehow got double edge

noice

[eager flint]

gaming

[golden cedar]

Super or double nova?

i assume double cuz yes

[proper furnace]

Super is bigger aoe + 20% dmg?

You can cancel the 2nd hit of double by just doing the sword combo of special > dash strike x2 so idk how much value it has

Both are meh at the end of day

[golden cedar]

welp

better than big chop

well that was a weird run yet i broke my pb

14:24

[eager flint]

nemesis sword kinda strong

[golden cedar]

yeah

finally bought in the blood

[light pendant]

Ayo can anybody help me decide which book to pick from this Athena reward thing?

[south sonnet]

what do you have, what rarity, and what aspect

and which biome

[light pendant]

Okay so I’m at the end of one of those chambers before hades himself where you have to get Cerberus out of the way I’m at the end of a chamber with the choice between basic rarity phalanx shot, basic rarity holy shield and basic rarity brilliant riposte

I’m currently working with a duo build between ares and Athena

[south sonnet]

can you reroll?

also how many athena boons remain

[light pendant]

I can load back and redo the arena (I’m currently doing this as this is my first ever run making it to hades and I just really wanna see if I can beat him since I have really good stuff so far)

[south sonnet]

id take brilliant riposte if no rerolls and if there are no other athena boons available

otherwise, take holy shield

[light pendant]

Since the awards are randomized

[south sonnet]

you can see all the rewards in the shop and tunnels when you first enter

[light pendant]

Yeah I’ve checked those and the Athena reward in the shop is too expensive so I went in here for it and uploaded just before the final chamber

[limber fjord]

if this is your last athena/ares boon with no me then its gg

[light pendant]

Should I go back and fight through the chamber and see if better Athena stuff drops?

[limber fjord]

have to do the fight without me

you can't save scum rewards

fortunately if you're a gamer you will simply kill dad anyways

[light pendant]

Ik that’s what I’m saying load back since the rewards are randomized and redo this arena specifically from scratch

[south sonnet]

theyre preset

[light pendant]

They aren’t

I’ve checked

I saved in the room before and when I enter this room

The enemies and rewards are randomized Athena drops are also randomized

[south sonnet]

it should only change the rarity of items offered

and maybe duo/legendaries

[light pendant]

Nope I’ve gotten entirely different items before this

Still Athena stuff

But definitely completely different

[limber fjord]

i mean if you want to save scum no one can stop you

[south sonnet]

interesting

[limber fjord]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[south sonnet]

well you should go and get the duo if youre willing

a merciful end run needs merciful end

[plain river]

Tbh ar this point you might as well have just sent a screenshot

[light pendant]

I’m mainly doing it cause this is an insanely good run so far

[light pendant]

I will in a moment I’m redoing the chamber

[analog mauve]

how do you redo a chamber

[limber fjord]

no offense but i'm not sure how insanely good this run can be with no ME until styx

[proper furnace]

What weapon is this

[limber fjord]

i'm assuming you're out of defiances

[analog mauve]

fresh file apaprently

[light pendant]

Nope I have one

[analog mauve]

oh nvm

i read i t wrong

[light pendant]

This is only my 3rd run in the game I’ve been working off advice from a friend so far

[limber fjord]

i mean i personally wouldn't bother and go try and kill hades

[proper furnace]

What the

Aight 3rd run so sword ig

[limber fjord]

honestly if you're good enough to get to hades on 3rd attempt you can probably just kill him

[light pendant]

Before you ask I only started save scumming when I got to cerberus’s room itself

[proper furnace]

Cuz bow ME sounds

[south sonnet]

doom hit and run is cool

[light pendant]

The poison was being too much to me

And I from what I’ve been told have a good combo of Athena and hades boons so far

Including duo

[south sonnet]

hades boons are wild

[limber fjord]

i assume they mean ares

[light pendant]

Sorry not hades

Ares

Yeah

Autocorrect is kinda messin with me rn

[proper furnace]

So this is sword ME with the duo or no

[limber fjord]

hasn't hit me yet

trying to savescum for it apparantly

[light pendant]

Lemme send a picture of boons and stuff I have

[limber fjord]

once again, do whatever you want, but i personally would just try to go kill dad

[light pendant]

So you guys have the full picture advice wise

[limber fjord]

you'll have dozens of runs to do

[light pendant]

Ah you can’t sent pictures in this channel

That’s a slight hiccup

[proper furnace]

The only reason I'd advise to not win that early is cuz the story lines will be messed up lol

[proper furnace]

Send to another discord > right click > copy img link

[analog mauve]

suffering from success

[proper furnace]

Or use imgur/similar stuff

[limber fjord]

yeah i turbo winstreaked to the credits by "mistake" and had some weird sequencing

[light pendant]

Ahhh I see

[light pendant]

Wdym the storylines will be messed up?

[proper furnace]

Dialogue system works by having some lines unlocked after certain stuff + some have priority to keep some sense of continuity

So if you win now most of the early dialogues won't appear for a while as everyone will be commenting on you escaping

[light pendant]

Interesting from what I looked into beating hades early messes up like 2 lines of dialogue that basically just amount to simple advice

Ah I see

[proper furnace]

For example I had dialogue from achilles of my first escape on a random replay well after the credits

[light pendant]

Interesting