Talos CoD 👍
#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
wind glen
what is CoD again 
south sonnet
talos plays cod??!?!?!!
ocean cliff
what is CoD again <:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
cuuurse of drowning
south sonnet
call of duty
plain river
What’s Talos? Is that a boon
ocean cliff
💯
plain river
Never heard of it
ocean cliff
What’s Talos? Is that a boon
my fav olympian
wind glen
~~talos plays cod??!?!?!!~~
xX_TalosTheCopperGiant99_Xx
south sonnet
talos is a fish in erebus
proper furnace
Never heard of it
Have you heard of worstlos though?
proper furnace
Talos is a name it picked up recently to bury its old shameful name
ocean cliff
i am going to end it all i think
ocean cliff
im not talking abt talos
wind glen
not his malphon aspect
ocean cliff
im talking abt my luck
wind glen
oh
wind glen
i feel u
wind glen
i have 9 total aphro/artemis boons.
yep.
wind glen
you must have angered the fates!
ocean cliff
☹️
plain river
Eh then you’re doing something wrong
God’s Pride actually fixed 93% of my rng issues
The other 7% comes from complaining about bad rng on the super giant games discord
ocean cliff
so true
wind glen
does god's legacy actually make things weird?
south sonnet
Duo luck actually gets better if you have god’s pride on
can confirm, my 0 upgrades in pride got me a duo and a legendary, while having legascam yielded 0 smairs, hunting blades, and extreme clarities
plain river
I have way more photos with like 3 or 4 or 5 duos with god’s pride then I do with gods legacy
Definitely no bias due to the fact that I nearly always run pride
Is hellfirebot down?
marble fiber
I have little experience with builds on the sword with any aspect, but what do we think about this core boon combo for future duo boons?
is it a good setup?
proper furnace
Get ares out of there next time
marble fiber
i hate the cast but i think it helps me get some duo boons (i swear i look up the codex for duo boons 15 times per run)
marble fiber
Get ares out of there next time
it was a forced boon : (
south sonnet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779462914045509694/1187528964227481651/im...
switch attack for doom and special with athena to try and get merciful end
proper furnace
it was a forced boon : (
Can you sell it?
south sonnet
you can also just go for a basic sword run and not get ares
marble fiber
I havent tried merciful end yet or gotten the opportunity, but ive heard good things
marble fiber
Can you sell it?
i might be able to later yeah, what would you swap it out for?
plain river
Athena or aprho special
proper furnace
Oh yeah deadly reversal too
plain river
Aphro preferably but like you could always shuffle the deck for both HR & DR
proper furnace
i might be able to later yeah, what would you swap it out for?
Also you have the purging pool right in that pic, I assume doom wasn't in the options?
marble fiber
il have to check still 🙂
marble fiber
Aphro preferably but like you could always shuffle the deck for both HR & DR
wouldnt athena on special be a bit better? ofc not for inflichting weak as cast is annoying, but then you could get both HR and DR
at the same time is it overkill to focus that much on crit chance, with hunters mark etc already helping out
plain river
yeah but then you are applying weak w/ cast
proper furnace
Could do aphro dash for weak lol
plain river
DR off dash is pretty sweet
marble fiber
Would curse of longing be a good duo boon if i cant seem to sell ares? (also sucks that i have 5 gods in the pool then eh)
south sonnet
Would curse of longing be a good duo boon if i cant seem to sell ares? (also suc...
no
proper furnace
CoL is sad
south sonnet
curse of longing is absolute garbage
plain river
It’s too slow and too little damage
proper furnace
Is better the less often you apply doom yourself
marble fiber
now there is no reason fo me to keep ares
proper furnace
On sword you use special a lot so you'll just reset doom yourself anyways
marble fiber
ares special SOLD for €95 to the highest bidder
wait you can reset doom so it never procs or
and uh lastly, is it necessarily a bad thing to have for example 1 god on two core boons (not including aid/call)
south sonnet
just curse of longing
south sonnet
and uh lastly, is it necessarily a bad thing to have for example 1 god on two co...
no, unless youre going for duos
plain river
and uh lastly, is it necessarily a bad thing to have for example 1 god on two co...
no
proper furnace
Hangover in 2 cores is bad
plain river
Hangover in 2 cores is bad
That’s the exception
marble fiber
now im doubting to go athena or aphro, who is generally better / in terms of duo boon
south sonnet
and also doom in 2 cores just does nothing i think
plain river
Aphro is safer w/ weak and bigger damage off special
marble fiber
true the % damage is the highest right, and scales well with special
plain river
it’s also just more value with your current crit chance
Although there is something to be said for consistency, hunters mark is also there
marble fiber
if it doesnt matter too much il keep crush shot
south sonnet
true the % damage is the highest right, and scales well with special
yes
although you could argue with arty, but she doesnt scale too well with poms
marble fiber
but eh
marble fiber
yes
although you could argue with arty, but she doesnt scale too well with poms
yeah i noticed her atk % goes up by not a lot, while cc stays unaffected
marble fiber
good point!
plain river
yes
although you could argue with arty, but she doesnt scale too well with poms
Just hit chaos and rd and other additive
proper furnace
Wave
marble fiber
is the 30 damage additional? and do my bonuses also work on it if so?
proper furnace
I thought they did?
proper furnace
Just not the effect like weak/crit
plain river
Just free 30
marble fiber
okidoki
proper furnace
Still wave anyways lol
plain river
piercing wave or double nova (not just for this run)
Shameless plug but if you ever need sword hammer advice
plain river
is the 30 damage additional? and do my bonuses also work on it if so?
I think global additive affects it
iirc
marble fiber
Shameless plug but if you ever need sword hammer advice
nice, u made that?
plain river
👍
marble fiber
bro has all the knowledge
really helpful stuff
i just joined the discord community?
plain river
Not all of it, and definitely not any more
When this was made I had a whole ton more
marble fiber
👌
plain river
and unless something absolutely bonkers crazy revolutionary comes out about any hammers, this list shouldn’t be changing
marble fiber
HMMmmhmhmmMHMMm wink wink @plain river
is ur list of rankings etc shared?
would be nice for these kind of decisions
proper furnace
If you want funny orange boon take riposte
plain river
See I like riposte since it opens the legendary but I’m often running at a high enough heat wear that one hit it more impactful
proper furnace
Otherwise dmg is dmg
plain river
is ur list of rankings etc shared?
That one is in Bananas 32 heat guide
the tierlist that is
marble fiber
yeah heat would make a difference lol
marble fiber
Otherwise dmg is dmg
so 169 > 63?
marble fiber
im on my highest heat weapon so far, which is 5
proper furnace
Riposte is only for reflected attacks
plain river
163 is on enemy attacks being deflected
proper furnace
And most stuff you don't feel the dmg or is overkill (for witches)
marble fiber
oh right and enemy attacks dont hit as hard otherwise id be one shot often
plain river
Enemies do significantly smaller numbers than you
proper furnace
Ely witches being deflected is always funny
plain river
Ely witches are always funny
marble fiber
witches is literally all i think about with the deflect damage
proper furnace
Eating a PL ely witch attack to the face and being sent to home 
(has never happened cuz I don't have hell mode)
proper furnace
Funny orange boon iconic as always
plain river
Does the athena orange get hit before acorn?
marble fiber
SO satisfying, very non-screencluttering unlike my last run with pew pew rail
proper furnace
No idea about DP and acorn
plain river
proper furnace
Cursed answer would be both proc at the same time
plain river
Cursed answer would be both proc at the same time
🫡
plain river
SO satisfying, very non-screencluttering unlike my last run with pew pew rail
Screen clutter makes Hades Hades
proper furnace
SO satisfying, very non-screencluttering unlike my last run with pew pew rail
Average zeus run
marble fiber
Screen clutter makes Hades Hades
for me its the dialogues > : )
plain river
Average zeus run
I have some stupid screenclutter somewhere w/ mirage blizzard talso
vagrant crane
yes
plain river
Thnx
plain river
I thought they did?
Sorry to dredge this back up, but every time someone says something like this, the thought of “yeah but that would just open the door to dedge^2 if true” eventually hits me
frozen stag
Is world splitter any good with nemesis aspect?
eager flint
I doubt it
I mean, when it comes to optimisation I mean
double edge is just too strong
tight basin
If you intend to play around world splitter then it's probably fine, it's just that the issue is that you're using world splitter lmao
frozen stag
I ended up getting +40% in attack speed which helped
eager flint
oh yeah, if you're offered it and not double-edge I guess it's ok
It has a huge hitbox, you can wiggle a bit between strikes, and it lets you use your dash defensively instead of offensively
marble fiber
say does this anyone here use artemis on special for the railgun?
i know the damage % is really low compared to aphro, but i wonder if you can make it work with the right boons
I am also wondering if you have cluster, will one of the 5 always proc crit damage cause of the 20% cc artemis boon?
vagrant crane
say does this anyone here use artemis on special for the railgun?
its best in slot
vagrant crane
I am also wondering if you have cluster, will one of the 5 always proc crit dama...
no
its random
ofc its more consistent crit
marble fiber
its best in slot
wait is it better than aphro??
vagrant crane
yes
marble fiber
ofc its more consistent crit
so you are saying its 5x more likely just not guaranteed with cluster bomb
vagrant crane
on rail special
marble fiber
on rail special
interestin
vagrant crane
so you are saying its 5x more likely just not guaranteed with cluster bomb
the chance of not critting normally is 80%
with cluster its 32%
marble fiber
interesting
still my special right now does 200% damage, having no cluster, 20% chance to do 2x damage with like what 40% atk from artemis, aphro would still do way more damage
or i am missing something
polar python
say does this anyone here use artemis on special for the railgun?
Absolutely, but I'm doing it on Hestia Rail with Aphrodite on attack and basically using it mainly to trigger Hunter's Mark for the attack super-crits.
polar python
with cluster its 32%
Basically it's because that 20% is applied independently for each bomb, so you might get several crits per round, but you might also get none.
So chance of no crits at all is (0.8 ^ 5), and thus chance of crit is 1 - (0.8 ^ 5) = ~67% (basically almost exactly 2/3 of the time you'll get a crit)
Which is great if you have Hunters Mark with high percentage. This even works on Dad in all phases since skulls can be crit to bounce a mark to Dad.
Though one thing I learned was that it's a time when Support Fire isn't ideal because you lose control of where the mark is (i.e. a support arrows hits a marked target before you can get a big crit attack to land).
marble fiber
Great info!
turbid needle
Chiron, force dio passive, heartbreak attack, privilege 40, duo aphro+dio gg
Got 1 to 16 lossless heat with this, then skipped to 32, gets tight on time but works to 32
eager flint
I think it's the best build for Chiron yeah, unless playing it as zagbow minus
south sonnet
best chiron build is flurry shot
marble fiber
Chiron, force dio passive, heartbreak attack, privilege 40, duo aphro+dio gg
What is passive as a boon?
valid dagger
What is passive as a boon?
Just means special in this context
plain river
I am also wondering if you have cluster, will one of the 5 always proc crit dama...
That is not how probability works
plain river
~~best chiron build is flurry shot~~
I think you mispelled discount zagbow
vagrant crane
that is discount zagbow
plain river
What is passive as a boon?
I think they meant to say dio special
eager flint
playing poseidon sword, how does flurry cast + greater recall compare to hyper delivery ?
hyper delivery is hyper delivery, so 50-100% bonus damage, but flurry cast and greater recall really feel so good
I imagine maybe it falls off when you get better at managing your bloodstones
(also, just to be sure : optimal way to play poseidon sword is to let go of strategy and just go for ME like a machine, right ?)
tight basin
Yeah pretty much
Or lightning phalanx
But yeah flurry cast doesn't inherently add any damage technically
And like
Considering how strong some casts can be, even a 50% boost is pretty huge
Flurry cast and greater recall is def nice, but like you said the more skilled you are at managing blood stones the less valuable it is
But if it's lightning phalanx and your cast goes to infinity then it is pretty decent
plain river
hyper delivery is hyper delivery, so 50-100% bonus damage, but flurry cast and g...
Tbh I don’t think casting faster is really that big of a deal compared to extra additive
tight basin
flurry cast is a good third hermes if you dont get greater haste lmao
it's honestly like
really good tbh
it's just that hyper delivery is just very strong, esp considering you can scale through ichors
like if i got flurry cast instead of haste on third hermes, i wouldn't be upset
eager flint
Got it, thanks for the explanation!
viral geode
Does lc affect draining cutter?
eager flint
No iirc
marble fiber
Is it worth putting poms into hangover damage? im using chiron with epic Dio special, but still going from 11 to 12 damage per pick seems like a waste is it not?
proper furnace
Hangover is one of the best pom targets
Cuz the dmg doesn't fall off thanks ti always increasing by 1
marble fiber
what do you mean by falling off? 🙂
Here is the choice i need to make
great run so far, will have 150% backstab damage from chaos x2
proper furnace
Boons have dimishing returns the more poms you have on it
marble fiber
Boons have dimishing returns the more poms you have on it
ah in that regard, you think the damage is noticeable with +1 increase?
thats like 8 damage per special hit extra right
not super much
marble fiber
okidoki, s
pressure points and tidal are also good but not as important then i guess
proper furnace
Although if this wasn't chiron pomming tidal dash is also an option lol
Tidal dash poms are great for dmg
marble fiber
i saw someone here in chat saying they went crazy with aphro attack and dio special now i understand
proper furnace
PP poms are eh though
marble fiber
PP poms are eh though
that makes sense
marble fiber
yeah, hunters mark isnt effective on hades as an exception right?
sorry i always bombard people with questions in this community hope you dont mind hahahaha
proper furnace
You can use his skulls to proc mark but yeah doesn't work on dad really
Also is fine is fine
For your build you pretty much only want more poms and aphro-dio duo
Relentless volley also helps so you don't have to do 2 volleys for max hangover if you get the duo
Also don't take other hangover boons (peer pressure and dio's call)
marble fiber
yeah i have heard they steal eachothers damage output or something
and em, artemis would be great right, to get the arti dio boon for faster stacks?
proper furnace
Not needed but if the chance shows up
Although I'd try to get it after aphro-dio duo shows up
Cuz otherwise you are also opening heart rend
And that + splitting headache aren't as good as low tolerance
marble fiber
is low tolerance that good if you almost always have 5 stacks on the target anyways?
proper furnace
Low tolerance raises the limit to 8
marble fiber
like, as long as the curse is ticking, what does it matter if you have 5 or 8 stacks
proper furnace
More dmg?
proper furnace
10 hangover dmg with 5 stacks is 50, with low tol is 80
marble fiber
yes over time
but as long as the hangover keeps ticking when applied, the damage would never increase right
or does the damage per tick increase the higher your stack is?
proper furnace
Yes
marble fiber
i thought because it will stay on for longer, not do more damage you know
proper furnace
You can try it rn
marble fiber
Each stack has a separate timer
wuuuut
proper furnace
Apply full stacks and let it run out
marble fiber
ok i will check out the damage
proper furnace
You'll see the stacks go down by 1
marble fiber
yes that i know
should i also notice a difference in speed of it going down and damage for every tick?
proper furnace
You should see the dmg decreasing with the stacks going down yeah
Although privileged status may change the dmg midways too
So if you wanna test just point blank an enemy with your special
marble fiber
will try 🙂
okay yes with 4 stacks it did 60 dmg per tick with 1 stack it did 12-18
does that seem right ?
now i see why tolerance is good, i was wrong about how hangover worked, just thought stacking means extra duration but it means extra dmg noice
plain river
ah in that regard, you think the damage is noticeable with +1 increase?
Yea
Pretty noticable I’d say
plain river
This is probably the best way I can kind of show the scaling
Hellfirebot isn’t working for me rn and I just had dio aid requested previously but hangover sources pretty much all scale the same
nimble relic
whats the best aspect for each weapon?
vagrant crane
nemesis achilles hidden hera/hidden demeter eris/hestia
nimble relic
nemesis achilles hidden hera/hidden demeter eris/hestia
noted
tight basin
For shield, Zeus is also pretty solid but it requires significantly more effort to play at a good skill level
You can still half ass it and get good results tho
elder maple
guys i got back to the game after almost a year
i didnt even launched a run yet im so happy
eager flint
Good luck have fun !
marble fiber
Hellfirebot isn’t working for me rn and I just had dio aid requested previously ...
love them graphs ty
frozen stag
What's the highest possible dodge%?
crude oriole
guys i got back to the game after almost a year
oh hi, me too! started a new game like last week
viral geode
What's the highest possible dodge%?
assuming it's additive, then zagfists, greater evasion, second wind and plume can sum to over 100
proper furnace
Yeah it is additive
frozen stag
would that not mean you would be impervious to most damage
proper furnace
Yup
Tbf most of the bonus only last a few secs
Ruthless lasts 2, Second wind lasts uh
Idk lmao
6-10?
Which depending on how quick is your call charge rate it may not be enough to keep it up 100%
golden cedar
i was wondering if there's any good builds for Arthur's sword
proper furnace
Slap aphro attack on it and done
golden cedar
Slap aphro attack on it and done
well
i found using aphordite's special is way better
i used artemis's attack cuz crit
proper furnace
I understand why you oick crit but is basically a matter of consistency
Like yeah the 3rd swing crit will be comically large numbers but how often are you hitting that
golden cedar
uhh
proper furnace
The rest of the time you are hitting enemies for almost the same base dmg
golden cedar
most of the time ig but maybe i will give aphor's attack a shot
proper furnace
Aphro attack is just solid
golden cedar
then what should i put for special?
proper furnace
Doesn't really matter
golden cedar
The rest of the time you are hitting enemies for almost the same base dmg
the 2800 dmg is just tempting man
even if its small its just crazy
proper furnace
If you wanna do something thing like pp + hunter's mark then take arte special for their duo anyways
golden cedar
pp?
proper furnace
But often I just take divine dash for defense and zeus call for the aphro-zeus duo
Pressure points
golden cedar
ic ic
golden cedar
But often I just take divine dash for defense and zeus call for the aphro-zeus d...
i used the duo once
it was nice but i would rather have the greater call for some gods
proper furnace
For hammers you can use shadow slash for good dmg or double edge and just use dashs strikes more often
golden cedar
mhm
proper furnace
Most gods use lesser calls better
golden cedar
well
proper furnace
Also keep in mind that for charging calls how often you hit enemies matters more than dmg
golden cedar
actually yeah u got a point
proper furnace
And arthur is anything but fast
golden cedar
i tried to fight hades on extreme measurement
nimble relic
i tried to fight hades on extreme measurement
bold
golden cedar
and i died when he had 5hp or so
golden cedar
last one
nimble relic
is extreme measures 1 hard? up to theseus at least
golden cedar
the one where he blinds u
proper furnace
is extreme measures 1 hard? up to theseus at least
Each lvl only affects 1 boss
nimble relic
Each lvl only affects 1 boss
so i got to do 3 on it for the prophecy?
proper furnace
Em1 only changes the furies, em2 affects hydra too and em3 affects heroes
For sea spite? Yeah
nimble relic
ugh god dang it
proper furnace
Em3 is fun but it can be a jump in difficulty
golden cedar
idk why but em3 heroes is a bit easier than normal ones
golden cedar
maybe cuz u wont get sniped every 5 seconds
proper furnace
Em4 is worth trying for fun
golden cedar
nah
nimble relic
phew thank goodness
golden cedar
mhm
nimble relic
max hera aspect
golden cedar
i wanna give it another shot tbh
nimble relic
lets hope it wasnt a waste
golden cedar
the sniper aspect?
proper furnace
the one where he blinds u
btw just turn up the ingame brightness lol
proper furnace
the sniper aspect?
That's hestia
golden cedar
oh
proper furnace
Hera is cast bow
golden cedar
~~btw just turn up the ingame brightness lol~~
proper furnace
<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I mean if it works
golden cedar
i will try it
my only problem was
i was dumb enough to run into hades' laser attack
does it have a name?
nimble relic
whats the max on the fate dice or whatever it is?
proper furnace
Laser attack
proper furnace
Authority is 8, persuasion (green, better) is 4
golden cedar
Laser attack <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
nimble relic
Authority is 8, persuasion (green, better) is 4
is green better? how?
golden cedar
it took me a long time to realise golden touch isnt that good
proper furnace
Persuasion rerolls the boons, poms, well of charonz pool of purging
nimble relic
Persuasion rerolls the boons, poms, well of charonz pool of purging
ohhh
proper furnace
Room rerolls are kinda weird but the thing is that they basically keep rerolling into the same things after a while
Most of it uses I've seen are for boonless/memeing in how high you can get something like dio attack
You just keep rerolling everything into poms
golden cedar
yeah
proper furnace
Those are always boons
golden cedar
hmm ic
proper furnace
Most people just do the rule of "if you have boon, can't benefit from it"
nimble relic
dionysus is legit the only one i aint got favor or awaiting it
hes still at 1 heart
golden cedar
Most people just do the rule of "if you have boon, can't benefit from it"
so if u got any special boon u dont use special at all?
proper furnace
And if you only want the in game text, you only need to have 0 sellable boons when you reach dad
proper furnace
so if u got any special boon u dont use special at all?
Yeah at least until you can sell it
golden cedar
ic
proper furnace
It also applies for more passive stuff like chaos boons
golden cedar
And if you only want the in game text, you only need to have 0 sellable boons wh...
i should give it a shot after finishing some stuff ig
golden cedar
It also applies for more passive stuff like chaos boons
oh didnt know that
proper furnace
i should give it a shot after finishing some stuff ig
Just have 3 or less boons when you reach the guaranteed purging pools and have some luck in styx and its chill
proper furnace
oh didnt know that
Also just to specify, this one is for like players made leaderboard
golden cedar
oh i see
proper furnace
In game text/victory message won't care about chaos
Cuz you can't sell their boons
golden cedar
ye makes sense
frozen stag
What's a good cast for hera bow?
nimble relic
What's a good cast for hera bow?
artemis maybe?
proper furnace
Dio is funny but nah
The casts stays on the ground for too long
You can use stygian soul to make up for that but that means having to get at minimum+1 cast from somewhere
If you wanna do funny dio casts stuff do achilles or wait for hidden shield
plain river
artemis maybe?
❌
nimble relic
100 hours in, 2 hearts on demeter
50 hours in, 1 heart on dionysus
marble fiber
@plain river do we have a graph on Jolted? 🙂
i wonder till what point its worth investing in jolt cause the amount decreases each level that you gain
plain river
proper furnace
4-5 is the stuff for most boons really
plain river
Static discharge is one that scales really well with poms
Personally I wouldn’t’ve put any poms into that dio cast
proper furnace
In your case I'd pom dash a bit more and yeah
marble fiber
Personally I wouldn’t’ve put any poms into that dio cast
that was because of the nectar / non chooseable poms at charons
so until 6 it gets the most value, nice,
plain river
More poms on tidal dash would’ve been the next one yeah
marble fiber
yep 😄
proper furnace
For eris the pom targets is pretty much always tidal and jolted
plain river
proper furnace
Aphro's special is also good in this case
plain river
PSA: Quick Reload scaling sucks
plain river
For eris the pom targets is pretty much always tidal and jolted
Call w/ smair
especially if it’s dio call
proper furnace
I've taken sigil of the dad too often so not an option for me
plain river
Hard to say since I don’t know what your other options were
marble fiber
Aphro's special is also good in this case
I would say aphros special is atleast as good as tidal dash to pom no ? especially in the case of crocket
plain river
Overall it looks solid
marble fiber
Hard to say since I don’t know what your other options were
these were the 4 presented to me lucky enough, i forgot to change charons keepsake to zeus so that was convenient hahah
plain river
I would say aphros special is atleast as good as tidal dash to pom no ? especial...
not past that many poms
lucid oar
You want tidal dash to at least lv5 before you should start pomming aphro special imo
marble fiber
ehh??
lucid oar
But jolted is a bigger priority than aphro special
plain river
these were the 4 presented to me lucky enough, i forgot to change charons keepsa...
oh you’re asking about the Gods themselves? This was pretty much optimal gods
proper furnace
Tidal is just too good at dmg
plain river
At least in my mind
proper furnace
Also clockets is still a gamble at the end of day
analog mauve
youre assuming theyre maximizing dash damage which is smth not most people do
marble fiber
special damage is like what 1k something? if a few poms can ramp up your damage 50-60% for special wouldnt that be way better than some extra dash damage.
proper furnace
I also don't 
plain river
proper furnace
Tidal just poms well enough and enjoy the free +75% from eris
marble fiber
oh you’re asking about the Gods themselves? This was pretty much optimal gods
cool!
lucid oar
special damage is like what 1k something? if a few poms can ramp up your damage ...
+50% damage from a pom isn’t the same as 1.5x special damage, it adds 200 damage per clocket assuming all 5 hit
Since tidal dash poms increase base damage they also get multiplied by eris buff and rd etc
marble fiber
+50% damage from a pom isn’t the same as 1.5x special damage, it adds 200 damage...
right i dont know the exact calculation of damage with aphro i must admit
plain river
right i dont know the exact calculation of damage with aphro i must admit
if it’s +% it’s additive with all other +%
marble fiber
just from a glance it seemed nice and equal, but indeed eris with 100 something tidal dash is brutal
plain river
Your multiplier is 1+(all your boosts added together), so a +50% from poms is 1+(boosts+50%)
And in the case of Eris you already have the global +75%
marble fiber
so basically base damage increase > % if you already got a couple of big % boosts right
plain river
so basically base damage increase > % if you already got a couple of big % boost...
Base damage increases are few and far between
marble fiber
And in the case of aphro, the first five poms are ~+75%
yeah
plain river
And getting more special damage is always nice but here the value of the first poms on tdash is always really high
marble fiber
makes sense!
marble fiber
Base damage increases are few and far between
what does few and far between mean, non native here
plain river
not many things increase base damage
And they often aren’t related to the same thing
which the second point isn’t as relative
I understood you as talking about the special but now I realise you were talking about the dash
marble fiber
yeah i should have clarified that*
plain river
5 poms to increase your special damage by 125 if all hit compared to 5 poms to increase your tidal dash damage by
Roughly 50 base damage
marble fiber
which gets amplified by eris and hits much more frequently
plain river
exactly
marble fiber
gotcha
so 5 dashes is just
strong
and ehm, what would be the best secondary boons for tidal dash?
rippled i am guessing?
proper furnace
and ehm, what would be the best secondary boons for tidal dash?
Breaking wave is a good solution for styx if you don't have clockets
And yeah shoals does solid dmg
plain river
secondary boons for tdash aren’t a huge deal though because tdash it self is just insane
marble fiber
Side question but where is your second hermes
ehm ye you see uh idk exactly i think i went for hammer or it was because of chamber previews are hidden and i couldnt afford it at charles, whats the merchants name
marble fiber
secondary boons for tdash aren’t a huge deal though because tdash it self is jus...
gotcha
proper furnace
Charles is his name now
marble fiber
Charles the merchant i like that
proper furnace
(charon)
proper furnace
Charles works in team with tony vermin
proper furnace
Tony anthony and charles
marble fiber
tony ferguson the MMA rat
nimble relic
does hermes keepsake dodge chance stay even if you switch keepsakes, the already gained dodge chance i mean
proper furnace
No
nimble relic
oh
proper furnace
Same for Than's
nimble relic
so i got rid of 15% dodge chance for nothing?
plain river
actually some of the worst
turbid needle
50 hours in, 1 heart on dionysus
W i gave all ambrosia and nectar to skelly first hours in
Always there for me on asterius
Honestly if acorn didnt exist id always pick skelly keepsake on hades
plain river
I know Cluster gives better odds for seeing Rocket on second hammer, but is that really worth not having rocket?
Given the choice betweenthe 2 in tart
analog mauve
take rocket
tight basin
I know Cluster gives better odds for seeing Rocket on second hammer, but is that...
It's better odds by 1 hammer it's not really a big deal lmao
plain river
It's better odds by 1 hammer it's not really a big deal lmao
Guess who never found spreadfire for shackle zag
Is that an erebus room w/ hermes as first chamber of asphodel… obviously I take it
blue rd is blue rd
With 5 boons hmm
Time to rng manip eury for boosting rd and my doom strike
Lets go
I have Ares, Athena and Dio in my pool in Asphodel preboss shop
And Dem is an option to buy
Should I take it just to fill my pool
I can’t think of anyone else I would really want here
Maybe artemis but DR is a longshot and maybe not worth having an incomplete pool in ely
keen vortex
Does anybody know if the sword beams from piercing wave will inflict debuffs if i have hangover on my attack?
plain river
Does anybody know if the sword beams from piercing wave will inflict debuffs if ...
It won’t
Piercing wave doesn’t get affected by attack boons
it’s still a top tier sword hammer
keen vortex
it’s still a top tier sword hammer
I agree
keen vortex
Piercing wave doesn’t get affected by attack boons
Shame tho
keen vortex
True, but i think it would be pretty crazy to have debuff projectile potential, even the fists kind of get it with long knuckle
plain river
Yeah but it would boost the already domininant way to use sword by so much more then any other
keen vortex
fair
i guess the hammers are all meant to be equally good, that would make it pretty broken depending on the build
plain river
I mean there are already “broken” hammer combos on other weapons
But we don’t exactly need to have more
proper furnace
fair
i guess the hammers are all meant to be equally good, that would make it pr...
if only the first part was true
keen vortex
I also think its a shame that the aspect of arthur doesnt get any moveset changing hammers
I think its fine that the existing ones are incompatible, but it would be cool if there were alternatives to compensate
vagrant crane
they should make a hammer for arthur that removes its moveset
and gives you double edge
and 30% critical hit chance
keen vortex
that would defeat the purpose lmao
vagrant crane
after specialing
vagrant crane
yeah
that works
arthur hammer that gives you a better aspect
just in general
anything works
keen vortex
I like the animation changes, just not the super laggy special and super slow combo
plain river
Laggy?
vagrant crane
with guaranteed c1 hammer that might even make arthur playable
plain river
pretty sure it’s just slow
plain river
arthur is at least interesting where it’s the one sword that can arguably not run dedge and be fine
plain river
I mean ~
plain river
yeah
goodness why won’t the game just give me heroic swift strike w/ flurry slash for once
I just want one funny run
keen vortex
The special attack on arthur DOES do a bigger area though, right?
plain river
I feel like arthur special is deceiving with it’s hitbox
vagrant crane
extra health doesnt matter because you get hit 70x more
uneven basalt
Arthur, former king of England, now the king of deception
vagrant crane
extra base damage doesnt matter because it only happens every 2 calendar years
plain river
extra damage reduction that doesn’t help when you take damage trying to special
keen vortex
remade arthur moveset- just makes the sword play exactly like a zelda game without a shield
plain river
vagrant crane
got that going for it
plain river
Tbf very few things aren’t
vagrant crane
better than gilga too
keen vortex
I feel like some of the aspects really are just downgrades in disguise
uneven basalt
Chiron is just zag bows but with less extra
vagrant crane
thats already 2 aspects
plain river
I feel like some of the aspects really are just downgrades in disguise
Depends on your perspective
vagrant crane
i mean most aspects arent really downgrades from base
plain river
Chiron is just zag bows but with less extra
Chiron is just zag bow with less arrows on special
vagrant crane
they can do absokurely nothing
like chiron or chaos
but its only like arthur and gilga that are actually worse than base version of their weapon
vagrant crane
id assume base is aspectless
uneven basalt
That’s what got me questioning yk, how come people had it easier with zag bow than Chiron? Isn’t it the same build?
plain river
I was too but like
keen vortex
Aspect of zag is default
vagrant crane
oh
plain river
That’s what got me questioning yk, how come people had it easier with zag bow th...
Zag is just better
keen vortex
so “aspectless”
plain river
chaos
vagrant crane
hades
keen vortex
like hera bow seems like it should be super cool but how well it goes can heavily depend on what boons you get, yknow?
vagrant crane
what
plain river
like hera bow seems like it should be super cool but how well it goes can heavil...
No
south sonnet
1 keepsake
profit
keen vortex
I don’t know, i feel like i’d rather just have my regular cast AND the bow, not one or the other
vagrant crane
i mean if we’re talking my opinion
keen vortex
maybe thats just me
vagrant crane
hera sux without the works
plain river
I don’t know, i feel like i’d rather just have my regular cast AND the bow, not ...
The top tierness of the aspect comes from the fact that you cast with the attack
vagrant crane
plain river
You don’t have to do the cast animation for the extra damage and you get extra range on casts that otherwise lack it like crush shot
plain river
But it also takes quite a bit of mechanical skill to actually
vagrant crane
we dont need to talk about heat
plain river
function
vagrant crane
But it also takes quite a bit of mechanical skill to actually
it also takes quite a lot of having a controller and not kbm
south sonnet
we dont need to talk about heat
i can, hera's my record
plain river
Couldn’t tell you, am a controller player through and through
vagrant crane
kbm supremacy
keen vortex
top 2 for speed
what’s one, gilgamesh?
plain river
Very low
vagrant crane
gilga is the 2nd worst
south sonnet
is talos worst?
vagrant crane
no
talos isnt even F tier
its D tier
the terrible 4 are F tier
chiron chaos gilga arthur
south sonnet
is talos worst?
oh right yeah fists are cool
vagrant crane
worst by far is chiron
and then gilga
then arthur
and chaos leads the pack
https://youtu.be/_a_n1mV7J1o?si=EdnW5KJAYGHwVb2v here is a beo speedrun
wonder who this player is
south sonnet
its bananas!!!!
plain river
Jazz is not Bananas
south sonnet
exploding_head
vagrant crane
🤯
plain river
But yeah Hera is just like huge guaranteed extra damage on your attacks, and casts have so many ways to scale
eager flint
I would have thought the top 2 and 3 aspects for speedruns were eris and hestia, not hera. Huh.
lucid oar
Hera is nuts
eager flint
yeah but I thought eris and hestia were nutser
keen siren
is artemis like the best boon because of like heart strike and serrated arrow and artimes' aid and support fire?
plain river
is artemis like the best boon because of like heart strike and serrated arrow an...
…no, and either way the strength of the god depends on the weapon/aspect
so it’s extremely hard to put a name to any one God as best for a weapon/aspect
a best pairing makes a bit more sense
eager flint
on the other hand, Artemis is the best goddess because she's a queen
plain river
real
keen siren
on the other hand, Artemis is the best *goddess* because she's a queen
that's persephone
plain river
No need to spoiler in builds and combat
eager flint
I think it was for comedic effect
plain river
And they weren’t talking literally
tight basin
yeah but I thought eris and hestia were nutser
Cast damage scales a lot better than eris and hestia
Hera is more likely to instaphase bosses than eris and hestia
eager flint
Fair
tight basin
Hestia bossing is actually kinda eh compared to Hera iirc
dapper harness
Hestia bossing kinda sucks ngl
it's just boring attk spam and avoiding hits
unless you have clockets it gets boring
digital island
worst by far is chiron
😢
plain river
I mean it’s not hard to see why Chiron is a slow speedrun weapon
It’s just discount zag bow unless you want to take 8 years to crack out the special
which isn’t timesave when speedrunning
plain river
It’s just discount zag bow unless you want to take 8 years to crack out the spec...
It doesn’t help that optimal speedrun pacts have fo2 and that 8 years for special leaves you vulnerable
pine torrent
Hi, should i use this as a guide on how to make a proper build? Or is there anything else?
tight basin
that's pretty good yeah
pine torrent
Thanks
south sonnet
that's pretty good yeah
TheGamer is better smh
uneven basalt
Reddit advice
south sonnet
they somehow gave the second/third worst non cast build possible
with first being zeus attack and second being possibly dio
tight basin
there's only like
a small handful of people who actually give meta builds/advice on reddit lmao
plain river
~~reddit is actually better than thegamer~~
It’s not hard to be better then all athena luxi
Or “arthur is the strongest sword”
uneven basalt
I mean they technically ain’t wrong no?
plain river
they are
plain river
unless you mean highest base damage without regards to attack speed or anything else
uneven basalt
But technically
tight basin
if we're going off of just base damage then like all the rails would suck except hestia lmao
plain river
which is a great metric to measure “the strongest sword aspect” by
uneven basalt
Just saying man
plain river
they’ren’t technically right because they’ven’t given their metric
potent tree
Hades Redditors would probably confuse Work and Power 🙃
eager flint
a small handful of people who actually give meta builds/advice on reddit lmao
and they get downvoted
hades redditors have PTSD from dark souls subreddits : every talk about optimized builds is perceived as a personal attack against them because "git gud scrub"
what you write : "where dash pom"
what they read : <I cannot put it here because I'd get bonked by dyno>
south sonnet
It’s not hard to be better then all athena luxi
athena luci is actually good if you dont know how to dodge projectiles
its athena call at home
plain river
~~and they get downvoted~~
They do
plain river
~~athena luci is actually good if you dont know how to dodge projectiles~~
I don’t think you understand
proper furnace
~~athena luci is actually good if you dont know how to dodge projectiles~~
If only the deflect hitbox was the entire laser
plain river
plain river
given you can't get it
phalanx flare
keen siren
No screenshots? FFS, I hate discord
which duo do I take with a spear, Calculated Risk or Splitting Headache?
errant narwhal
you can embed an image link to send a screenshot
I like calculated risk but it can be to your detriment if you run into all of the projectiles. Lol
keen siren
I am rocking the athena deflect attack so I guess that's better
limber fjord
if i want to play hera bow artemis is a good god to add right
eager flint
yeah, just not on your cast
tbh the really interesting part of artemis is the legendary
the rest is ok but not worth forcing
plain river
No screenshots? FFS, I hate discord
wooden jungle
Any tips on duo boons? I'm playing again for the first time in months (new save) and met the requirements for at least 4 and never got the choice. I got three of those requirements in Tartarus no less and grabbed the nectar from Eurydice in Asphodel. Couldn't beat the champions without the help. Was it just incredibly bad rng? ||I haven't unlocked the last part of the mirror which increases the percentages. ||
lean hornet
Any tips on duo boons? I'm playing again for the first time in months (new save)...
You should double check the codex for duo requirements, but if you don’t get them still, it’s likley just crappy RNG
also no need to spoiler in this channel
Only need them in the new players channel
proper furnace
filling up your core slots also helps
(taking a boon for attack, special. cast and dash)
lean hornet
ah yeah that too
proper furnace
chaos favor also stacks with yarn or nectar
lean hornet
if I remember, status boons have a priority too right? (stuff like rupture)
proper furnace
yeah
barren horizon
any Demeter build y'all would recommend? I tried one with the dionysios-demeter duo boon today and it was pretty fun
south sonnet
any Demeter build y'all would recommend? I tried one with the dionysios-demeter ...
demeter fists or god
barren horizon
god
barren horizon
any Demeter build y'all would recommend? I tried one with the dionysios-demeter ...
with any aspects really, I tried this one with the Demeter aspect
south sonnet
crystal clarity(athena+dem duo) with achilles spear
barren horizon
oh I see
south sonnet
athena+dem is still decent, but artermis+dem is the duo you want
makes crystal beam actually usable
barren horizon
yeh I've seen videos about it
eager flint
athena+dem sucks if you're on DD, amazing with stubborn defiance though
wooden jungle
filling up your core slots also helps
Ohhh that makes so much sense. Forgot the game likes to prioritize those
plain river
makes crystal beam actually usable
Usable is certainly the right word for it
south sonnet
although my achilles runs have been carried by duoless casts
plain river
Achilles has better casts to care about
gaunt loom
how viable is aspect of chiron + zeus special? did a run with it and wasnt really that impressed tbf i only have it at level 1
tight basin
not viable at all
there's an internal cooldown for thunder flourish so you'll only get like 1 or 2 bolts per volley, even with lvl 5 chiron
gaunt loom
oh yeah i remeber why i wasnt so impressed with it now lol
plain river
how viable is aspect of chiron + zeus special? did a run with it and wasnt reall...
Zeus bolts will only prok once every .2 seconds from the same source on the same target
analog mauve
thats only for special iirc
gaunt loom
i mean is there anything else that can even proc it that often besides bow special / aspect of zeus special?
vagrant crane
how viable is aspect of chiron + zeus special? did a run with it and wasnt reall...
it sux
vagrant crane
i mean is there anything else that can even proc it that often besides bow speci...
aspect of zeus is fine
its 0.3s betwene each hit
analog mauve
i mean is there anything else that can even proc it that often besides bow speci...
quite a few things that i can think of
gaunt loom
what else
plain river
Ok 2 things
analog mauve
rail attack?
analog mauve
flury jab with dashstrikes
vagrant crane
dedge sword hits lightning strike twice
rail attack hits lightning strike successively if you dont dash strike
plain river
and apparently dedge just complete avoids the lightning strike cooldown
vagrant crane
no it's just not instant
vagrant crane
if you've ever played it in tart and looked at how your 1 dash strike bpoints work
you see the delay
plain river
lightning strike has a cooldown of 0.15s not .2s
I think this may also be true for support fire?
vagrant crane
supp fire is 0.167
plain river
Idk no one uses support fire anywyas
vagrant crane
Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
analog mauve
rail attack without dashing
visual crane
Hi everyone, any fun builds to recommend? c:
valid dagger
Hi everyone, any fun builds to recommend? c:
Quick Spin Tempest Strike Guan Yu, get Sea Storm and more Zeus boons
visual crane
Quick Spin Tempest Strike Guan Yu, get Sea Storm and more Zeus boons
Thanks!
south sonnet
Hi everyone, any fun builds to recommend? c:
quick spin+massive/flaring on guan yu, hope for a high rarity swift strike from hermes
spam attack for funny
visual crane
quick spin+massive/flaring on guan yu, hope for a high rarity swift strike from ...
Thanks! c:
vagrant crane
beo
near wyvern
For zeus shield ME do I get ares attack and athena special or the other way around?
near wyvern
Thanks ill try it
proper furnace
@wheat needle rd converts a % of your move speed to dmg
If you have hyper sprint and common rd (50% of your speed is converted to dmg) then that's a 50% dmg buff
If it was epic rd the its a 100% buff
wheat needle
oh I get it now thank you
proper furnace
Whats the lowest buff you could get from rd
1%?
Idk how the game would round 0.5% from 1 plume proc and common rd
eager flint
I guess ?
proper furnace
Doing a run like that and posting rd carry
It'd take forever cuz you would need to wait for the plume timer to run out each encounter
wheat needle
If I get attack deflect from athena with doom and ME then use fist will that work?
proper furnace
You want ares attack athena special (just to open the duo) then divine dash
That way you can dash strike to apply doom and hit your enemies with dash and proc it at the same time
And before you get the dash you can fit a dash strike and a dash upper in the same dash
south sonnet
how many times does special on hidden bow proc thunder flourish without hammers?
analog mauve
1 pretty sure
south sonnet
im considering swapping to zeus from dio because i got heroic swift flourish
proper furnace
Pretty sure it runs into the cooldown too
south sonnet
currently at lernie with dio and ares
wheat needle
That way you can dash strike to apply doom and hit your enemies with dash and pr...
Yea but the attack deflect also does the same thing or no?
wheat needle
ohhh my bad I forgot you can only have one attack boon
wheat needle
That way you can dash strike to apply doom and hit your enemies with dash and pr...
So I just spam dash and left click thats all?
wheat needle
Also no need to spam left click
If not fist?
proper furnace
Then you pretty much spam dash strikes
wheat needle
ohok thank you
south sonnet
how many times does special on hidden bow proc thunder flourish without hammers?
chat do i do the funny and zeus keepsake into ely
(im doing it)
rotund raptor
hey so im really struggling with making a strong build here. can someone tell me a what i shoudl strive for with the shield of chaos??
like, what boons, and things like that
tight basin
Chaos aspect or shield weapon
rotund raptor
im using the shield of chaos weapon, i have yet to complete a run to the surface
rotund raptor
Chaos aspect or shield weapon
so? any tips?
tight basin
You kinda need a good attack hammer for shield to deal damage, so charged shot or pulverizing blow ideally
Dashing wallop can work but it's a decent amount less than the other two
Aphrodite attack is ideal
south sonnet
charged shot makes chaos shield good
eager flint
forget about the special, and try to focus on blocking hits
stone harbor
how does stubbord defiance work in styx? Can I kill myself in a room to heal and have my defiance back the next room or do I have to last until I get my reward for the floor?
proper furnace
how does stubbord defiance work in styx? Can I kill myself in a room to heal and...
Works in each small tunnel
south sonnet
basically you heal each room
rotund raptor
which boons synergize best with shield of chaos?
lime anvil
which boons synergize best with shield of chaos?
Depends on the aspect
somber tiger
best build to escaping the first time?
potent tree
Shield with Aspect of Zeus plus boons from Zeus
somber tiger
i have only one titan blood i cant get it
i used my all my titan blood on my bow and fists
potent tree
I'd maybe try the bow then. Which aspect have you invested into?
somber tiger
quiron
somber tiger
1 i rly meesed up with my save
XD
i just bought hades yesterday sry my bad english
potent tree
Well, it's fine. Can definitely clear with level 1 aspects. Which weapon are you most comfy with?
somber tiger
i would say the bow
tight basin
wouldn't recommend clearing with lvl 1 chiron lmao
somber tiger
what i should use instead
tight basin
ngl base bow and lvl 1 chiron are gonna be functionally the same so it doesn't matter
with lvl 1 chiron your special is gonna be useless so it's gonna be an attack centric build
potent tree
Are you comfy with dash-striking with the bow, Ainz?
somber tiger
a litle bit
im still bad at the game
and i am prety unlucky i always get the boons i didnt need
potent tree
I might just take Aphrodite attack and Poseidon dash with Zagbow or your level 1 Chiron and pom the crap out of both. If you find hammers, Twin Shot, Triple Shot, Perfect Shot, or Point Blank Shot
somber tiger
its normal to do little damage?
potent tree
Not really. If you know how to focus your builds, you should usually end up doing very good damage
somber tiger
and what keepsake i should use?
potent tree
Start with Aphrodite, then swap to Poseidon if you need to find him for his boons. Maybe Hourglass for Elysium if it's leveled up sufficiently, then Acorn into Styx
tight basin
zag bow doesn't need hourglass for elysium, just take acorn at that point
potent tree
Oh. I kinda like it for the little meat items going into Styx
tight basin
the only thing zag bow benefits from in chiron wells is just attack damage and ichors if you have rd
somber tiger
i didnt got aphoridte keepsake but i can get it i have nectar
plain river
1 i rly meesed up with my save
It’s nearly impossible to really mess up your save
somber tiger
i actualy have alot of nectar
proper furnace
the only thing zag bow benefits from in chiron wells is just attack damage and i...
chiron has business now?
somber tiger
so both chiron and zag are fine?
tight basin
yeah as long as you ignore the special
somber tiger
tysm
potent tree
I wish Chiron's special took about 60% of the time and had piercing by default
somber tiger
for you guys what is the worst aspect
potent tree
I generally like all the aspects, including the "bad" ones, but for me it's Chiron or Chaos
rotund raptor
Shield with Aspect of Zeus plus boons from Zeus
i picked the fkin special aspect xdxd