h1-builds-and-combat

[vagrant crane]

the cast hits dad but instantly the stone pops up

[bold wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184583801255497858/20231213215240_1.jpg?ex=658c80a2&is=657a0ba2&hm=b37f62114117faf2bc757b9df9e4320c14ec7935e2ff65a00d68c1d3e0911ed3& hmm

alr i ll watch it in the meantime

[vagrant crane]

oceans bounty

if u still are looking for resources especially

but even if not the gold is nice

[bold wadi]

that was so fancy I still cant tell what happened

[vagrant crane]

and its not pommable

[bold wadi]

true

[bold wadi]

good to know

[vagrant crane]

its not super important so its fine

[bold wadi]

tho in this case i would pom only the cast anyway

[bold wadi]

fair enough

[vagrant crane]

but yea on hera u really wanna pom the cast

[bold wadi]

yep

[vagrant crane]

yeah thats why it matters

more pommables csn clog up the pool and make it possible to not see the cast on a pom screen

so unpommables are good

[bold wadi]

wat

thats kinda confusing

[vagrant crane]

its like

if you have 3 or less pommables

they are all guaranteed to show up on any given pom screen

but if you have 4, one needs to be excluded

5 excludes 2

etc

so on things like hera where u really need poms, you want to limit your pom pool

[bold wadi]

ohh

yeah it makes sense actually

basically the less pommeable poms i have the better

or a max of 3

[vagrant crane]

yeah

[bold wadi]

ngl i feel pretty smart for knowing this now even tho it wasnt my own discovery 😎

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184588738467217530/20231213221227_1.jpg?ex=658c853b&is=657a103b&hm=2d71d7f3a5897aa9f7d06f21682fbe18c709734f8d894d037b50a13f77e4ae80&

welp, should I go for demeter keepsake now in elysium?

and unfortunately I did use a death defiance at the very last end of the hydra bosses but its fine i guess

demeter it is

[vagrant crane]

hourglass typically

[bold wadi]

or that

for the +1 cast crystal mostly?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184593166691729509/20231213223003_1.jpg?ex=658c895b&is=657a145b&hm=b158db24d2cd9d4d3d6678ea52027132f09d5f345a341f815974a78cccddb0e6& well now either purse, skelly or the collar

i think purse or skelly, since i already have a lot of money i ll go skelly

[elfin locust]

Hey everyone 👋

New player here and quick question

I dont exactly make the difference between Upgrading the level of a perk or Changing it’s rarity

Can someone explain ? 🫵♥️

[lucid oar]

Difference depends a lot on which boon it is

Levelling up a boon is far more common in a run than increasing its rarity

But at the end of the day, both are just stat increases with varying strength

[south sonnet]

upgrading and pomming both do the same effect(excluding hermes boons)
the main differences are:
more boons are unpommable(like all hermes ones, life affirmation, and sure footing)
rarity has a reasonable limit(heroic, duo, legendary)
rarity increases the base stats by a percent(so like lightning strike gets 25% more base damage each rarity)
poms get weaker the more you have, so a boon's damage might go like this: 100->160->202

[tight basin]

for a lot of stuff, the difference between a rarity and 1 pom is the same, so at eury it's generally just better to take the poms since it'll hit more stuff
a couple things do like rarity a lot, so if you dont have a lot of boons and willing to take the gamble then taking the rarity upgrade can be worth it

[south sonnet]

i generally go rarity since poms fall off

[elfin locust]

Ty very much for the explanations @tight basin & @south sonnet

@lucid oar also 🙌

[south sonnet]

np

[icy pine]

Yo 💀
That's one insane build

[vagrant crane]

it was alright

[ivory turtle]

K question

What's a good build to use to go for curse of drowning? I'm thinking Beo but Idk if there's something better out there

[south sonnet]

achilles

or poseidon if youre lazy

[ivory turtle]

Oh??

[ivory turtle]

Does curse of drowning lodge?

[south sonnet]

nope

[ivory turtle]

Oh lol

[south sonnet]

poseidon just has a base 10-50% cast damage buff

[ivory turtle]

AHHHH that's true

Yeah I'll probably do achilles

[south sonnet]

pos is a bit better before curse, achilles is far better after

achilles/hera/beo are the general go to aspects for casts

[ivory turtle]

And Talos, right?
... right??

(rip Talos)

[tight basin]

never lmao

[ivory turtle]

Oh dw I know

It's just so sad that Talos is that bad

[tight basin]

it do be like that

[vagrant crane]

achilles only

no other option

its supposed to be decent on achilles

[shrewd isle]

hey im looking to play spin to win guan yu for fun

ik it starts with athena or zeus attack or smth but im not sure where to go after that

are there any duos or any other core boons i should aim for

[ivory turtle]

K someone correct me if this sucks but

If you do Athena attack put Arty on special and go for Deadly Reversal

Maybe Aphro dash to make Heart Rend possible

Heart Rend is fun but absolutely overkill lol

[shrewd isle]

ooh deadly reversal sounds hella fun

[zenith fractal]

I mean zyru does CoD on fists

[vagrant crane]

fists are not real

[zenith fractal]

So true

[dusty vector]

What are some good boons for attack on fists demeter aspect

[dapper harness]

Ares attk aiming for ME

or Zeus attk with more Zeus boons

static discharge, double strike, splitting bolt are the main ones

ond pom static as much as u can

[dusty vector]

okay

for some reason i never get static on poms whenever i have it

[proper furnace]

you need storm lightning to get splitting from the attack alone

[proper furnace]

is a bit of learning of what boons can be pommed and which ones don't

selling stuff that aren't helping much but can be pommed helps

[uneven basalt]

splash dash also important

[eager flint]

damn, why does serrating point slash you dash distance like that

It's not even that good in the first place

like, it's good, but it's no twin shot or clockets or whatever

compare it with double-edge, which gives 220% damage with no downside

also yes I'm salty because I tried a Hades spear run with serrated point and got my bottom handed to me

[ivory turtle]

Between explosive triple and point blank, point blank is the correct take on zag bow right?

[tight basin]

triple works

you kinda have to like

stand on top of them for big damage tho lmao

but either would be fine probably

[ivory turtle]

Gooootcha! Went with point blank lol

bruh got epic RD

First chamber in Asphodel too

RD applies long enough for zag bow dash strikes right?

[vagrant crane]

yes

just dash out of them

[ivory turtle]

Ohhhhh

Uhhhhhh explosive or flurry with this build? Explosive would be hilarious but Idk if it's the right call

My only other option is Relentless and uhh I'm not playing Chiron or Rama here

I think flurry is probably the best call

[tight basin]

yeah flurry

explosive is a good pick if you have twin/triple for zag bow

flurry is also good there tho

[ivory turtle]

Agh it feels weird not being able to charge lol

But not in a bad way

And after all of that I threw

[quartz pebble]

What’s the best dark mirror setup? I’m just starting to get into heat runs

[tight basin]

there's a mirror guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players

[quartz pebble]

Thanks

[iron oxide]

whats the best weapon/aspect for demeter cast builds

i need to get the duo boons

[tight basin]

Achilles

150% bonus cast damage is kinda a lot

[upbeat pagoda]

hey

what does the orange drink do

[brisk grail]

If you mean nectar, you give it to people to show your affection and appreciation for them.

[upbeat pagoda]

i got 8 of them fighting the warrior and the minatour

not nectar

[brisk grail]

That's ambrosia, same as nectar but for the last few hearts.

You can also level up companions with it, once you unlock them.

[upbeat pagoda]

so i should gift nectars at every chance i get?

or are there specific characters

[brisk grail]

I'd say to give it every chance you have.

If you want a specific companion you might want to look up which friendships give you each companion bc not every character gives you one.

[upbeat pagoda]

who should i prioritize

for damage straight up

[brisk grail]

||Meagara.||

Best dmg companion.

[south sonnet]

||sisyphus, meg, than, achilles, dusa||

in order of importance imo, the first 2 can be swapped

[upbeat pagoda]

thanks

how many nectars does it take to use it ntw

btw

[south sonnet]

6

unless its dad, then ||2||

youll also have to complete a task for each character to start giving ambrosia

[upbeat pagoda]

im forever in you guys' debt

[south sonnet]

the important ones all have prophecies though

[brisk grail]

If I knew earlier, I would've gifted them to sisyphus sooner. I had so much trouble finding him consistently for some reason.

I'm only missing Achilles and Sisyphus right now. They're also the last 3 achievements left for me to 100%.

[south sonnet]

i still need 30% butterfly and all maxed keepsakes

[brisk grail]

Finally got Aphro and Artemis favor not long ago.

Only missing Achilles, Patroclus and Sisyphus.

[south sonnet]

im missing all the bad ones, dad, and a few rank 2 gods like dem, dio, and chaos

[brisk grail]

Right, I forgot I havent gotten Demeter either.

I just need to unlock the locked heart but haven't gotten the right dialogue yet.

[brisk grail]

Forgot you were talking about max keepsakes, I've done that a long time ago.

I was talking about the full hearts medal lol.

[south sonnet]

for full hearts all ive got left is 1 ambrosia on cerb

[brisk grail]

For the 30% butterfly I think I used either the bow or the rail and just played really slowly and carefully.

[ivory turtle]

Wh

I just got epic RD and hyperdash twice in a row

(exclusive access helped but... um)

[ivory turtle]

I have an addiction and it is tempest flourish on aspect of Zeus

is it supposed to be good? no

Does it actually kinda work for some stupid reason? yes

[zenith fractal]

Sea storm zeus kinda zeus²

Have seen others use it before, can confirm it works well

[proper furnace]

Zeus shield kinda really good

You can make any of the specials work

[ivory turtle]

I love Zeus shield it's just such a good weapon
Gotta have explosive return tho

[vagrant crane]

athena special is the worst

because of that god forlorn noise

it clacks super loud every time it spins

[ivory turtle]

I've never done athena special Zeus shield

[vagrant crane]

its usually when ur doing ME with doom atk

i prefer doom spec

[analog mauve]

ive never done special zeus shield

[wind glen]

does the hermes' attack speed boon make you charge a bow attack faster?

[vagrant crane]

only standing strikes

[wind glen]

thank you

[summer wadi]

so whats the best aspect for the Rail? or at least the most fun. its the only one I have left for master of arms and I've tried escaping with Eris but it was dreadful

[lucid oar]

Hestia is the aspect that plays the least similar to eris so u might like that

[south sonnet]

dashing makes you immune to damage during the dash, but that immunity is removed when you attack during a dash(dashstrike). that may have been your problem, or maybe just some build issue.

on eris, you want to get zeus on attack, and get splitting bolt(his legendary). youll also want poseidon on dash. from there, you can do whatever. the gods that are most picked are: demeter(ravaneous will, nourished soul), artemis(crits for damage), and aphrodite(damage reduction, more special damage for if you get cluster rockets, and smoldering air)

for hammers, you want delta chamber(no more reloading, and you no longer lose immunity frames, or iframes, when dash striking), cluster bomb+rockets(big special damage), not spread fire or hazard bomb(those mess things up, and lock out good hammers)

for combat, you want to shoot until you have no ammo, reload, and quickly special to cancel the reloading animation so you can move again. you can also dash to cancel reload animation

[barren horizon]

any fun builds with the aspect of eris?

[eager flint]

zeus attack, clockets, and then kinda whatever you're set already

[barren horizon]

I was thinking about a sea storm build if I take Zeus at the start

[eager flint]

iirc tidal dash doesn't open sea storm

so it's kinda hard to get it

you could take flood shot I guess

[barren horizon]

yeh but at that point it wouldn't really make sense to go for sea storm

Zeus+whatever_the_run_gives_me then

[analog mauve]

Start ares and go merciful end

[tight basin]

they removed tidal dash from the prereqs because of how easy it was to get on eris lmao

but yeah since all the poseidon cores suck except the dash, you'd generally never aim to get sea storm unless it was on accident

[eager flint]

flood shot is tolerable ime

[analog mauve]

special

[tight basin]

no aspect really uses pos special tho

like yeah you can pick it up but like why lmao

[analog mauve]

chiron

[tight basin]

oh true i guess

where are you putting the zeus core tho lmao

flurry attack?

[analog mauve]

aid and dash good for double strike

[tight basin]

i forgot call exists fair enough

[eager flint]

zeus call is my core for him 99% of the time

[marble fiber]

why cant i post pictures here to discuss builds? i feel like that would make it a lot easier to see why my build isnt working haha

[south sonnet]

thats just this server

you can put embeds though

[marble fiber]

what is an embed? 🙂

[south sonnet]

a link basically

so you post the image to a server/alt, and copy the link

[marble fiber]

oh what do u use for that mostly?

[south sonnet]

or you can use things like imgur

[south sonnet]

for this, you also have to open the image in browser

[marble fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779462914045509694/1186796509610639360/image.png?ex=65948d61&is=65821861&hm=a179d08af478b9308206368d6b019e6fc7ac4b3c4e3e6bff03eb264ca3ff9f9a&

like this?

[south sonnet]

the result will be like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1186779077047242822/image.png?ex=65947d25&is=65820825&hm=dc7940ffcdb19918e5b5363d39e0999397b891e91a075ad15e4ad16422544592&

[south sonnet]

and then from there, copy the link in the search bar

[marble fiber]

great tip thanks!

can u tell me what im doing wrong from the boons ive chosen? i thought this hammer with 200% strike dmg would benefit from artemis dash, but overall my damage and defense is kinda weak

[south sonnet]

1. on sword, you want to dash strike and special in between. NEVER do a normal attack(unless flurry strike, world splitter, or hoarding)
2. you want dio/zeus on call, those are the best
3. dio on attack for sword is pretty nice

and finally, you want to use the flip version of olympian favor(dark foresight), which gives you LOTS more gold laurels

[valid dagger]

your build is actually decent

[marble fiber]

dio? i always felt dio was weak cause of the low damage ticks

[valid dagger]

just very minimal, would like more scaling

[marble fiber]

what is scaling?

[south sonnet]

pom

[valid dagger]

ways to increase your damage, could be lots of things

[marble fiber]

oh yeah for sure

[valid dagger]

rarity/ poms/ mirror/ chaos/ hermes

[marble fiber]

beat him with 15hp left PHEWWWW

[quartz pebble]

Which gods work best with each weapon? Kinda confused on what to take

[eager flint]

depends on aspect, if you're that far

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

but mostly you can find everything here

[quartz pebble]

Im trying to max all my keepsakes so I just have to rely on luck for the first rooms ig

[eager flint]

some weapons are not as dependant on specific builds as others

I'm mostly thinking of Hestia tbh

if you don't have aspects, then bow is probably my go-to

[quartz pebble]

I’ll try that

[marble fiber]

Okay this has to be the most OP run ive had out of the 28:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779462914045509694/1186823790450192424/image.png?ex=6594a6c9&is=658231c9&hm=1647c8235439d669c373f4d2316bd3fa62bc6e9d41bef2905a7fb211702349dc&

first time getting hunting blades, heartrend or vicious cycle. Achilles spear as well this is nuts.

[eager flint]

GG ! yeah this combo is stupidly broken

[marble fiber]

yeah i had never taken down bosses THIS fast

so much fun ahahahha

[south sonnet]

rift poms where

[eager flint]

in the dash

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/410968729044647936/901147621987614741/Axolotl_tap_temple.gif

[quartz pebble]

is there a recommended guide to easiest pact options

[proper furnace]

Check #h1-high-heat-strategies pins

[quartz pebble]

ok cool

[marble fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779462914045509694/1186972077014651001/image.png?ex=659530e4&is=6582bbe4&hm=b5091711b5557c1140240effe7f81951bdcd13da073b7aa73a3911313c3fa29a&

Sheesh

first time using zeus shield its kinda odd to use but it definitely does DAMAGE

[marble fiber]

Hehe is that a bad choice? i didnt get too many opportunities to upgrade the rift

[proper furnace]

Tidal dash poms are great

[eager flint]

Yeah, I was just making an inside joke about that time jazz asked "where dash poms" on reddit

[crimson ether]

The shield is the last weapon I need for a sub 10 on all of them but I can’t seem to be even remotely fast with it, any suggestions for builds?

[vagrant crane]

beowulf

flood flare deadly strike mirage shot

fastest weapon in the game

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit#heading=h.h953vyht4pua

[ornate folio]

hmm does anyone know what the typical combat combo is for the sheild, for example for the sword it's dash attack if people are attacking and special if they aren't for more damage.

[vagrant crane]

for shield it's called have cshot

otherwise do dash strikes and standing strikes for damage

[ornate folio]

like mostly you go: dash attack x2 -> simple attack -> special

and special?

[vagrant crane]

on shield?

[ornate folio]

yeah

[vagrant crane]

there is no reason to press special on base shield

zag or chaos aspect

on zeus and hidden there are

[ornate folio]

yeah talking bout zeus

[vagrant crane]

on zeus you can manipulate it during any combo

keep it near you

[ornate folio]

don't dash strikes take a long of time in which enemy can attack

[vagrant crane]

?'

[ornate folio]

in sheild i mean

iirc you have to hold and then wait for it to charge

[vagrant crane]

no

thats bull rush

[ornate folio]

haven't played in a while but that's what i remember

[vagrant crane]

which you do for defense

[ornate folio]

AHHH

[vagrant crane]

because it blocks

unless you have charged shot hammer

in which case just spam that

[ornate folio]

my bad

[vagrant crane]

this is what a decent zeus build looks like for rotation

https://youtu.be/UZqf_LgCYtA?t=246

[ornate folio]

ah i see thank you

[quartz pebble]

if i had all the best aspects on all of my weapons (including the hidden ones) which ones should get titan blood first? only maxxed one is zag fists but could level demeter

[plain river]

Nyaanyaa mewmew had a really good table for describing how your blood actually impacted the strength of the aspect

Looking for it now

I can’t seem to find it in any of the pins anymore

[quartz pebble]

i see it in new player pins but it dosent include hidden aspects

[plain river]

For hidden aspects

Luci and Rama really want the blood

arthur works as arthur without much blood

GY “needs” blood to be usable

you can use it w/ out if you don’t have a skill issue

beo doesn’t really care about blood, more blood is better but the main focus is casting

[quartz pebble]

only hidden aspect ive heard is worth is shield, bow is sometimes useable over hera

[plain river]

gilga is gilga

Wdym by “usable”

Every weapon is “usable”

[quartz pebble]

i mean optimal sorry

rama and hera are tied for best bow aspect ive heard

[plain river]

Rama & Beowulf are great, Lucifer and Guan-yu are good, and Arthur is fine, Gilgamesh is (for “optimality”, not for blood investment)

like for spear I think GY is second after achilles

The hp nerf isn’t that bad if you just don’t get hit & built-in piercing explosive skewer is just beautiful

[south sonnet]

zeus shield gets a big boost in damage at max compared to no blood, but its not required.
you go from 8 damage(plus 30-45 from thunder flourish, and maybe an additional 40 from splitting) to 30 damage

[plain river]

Zeus shield gets a relatively big boost in base damage

which is not what zeus shield really needs

[south sonnet]

beo doesnt really need blood to be good unless youre trying to go for a good time in tart
rama is quite nice
guan yu becomes useable
arthur is mid
gilg is useless
luci becomes really good(with triple bomb)

[quartz pebble]

I could do Rama but I already maxed hera so I feel like I should boost another weapon

[plain river]

Any other weapon in particular?

[vagrant crane]

just do beo

ez

[plain river]

the thing is

the blood -> value ratio on beo is low

[vagrant crane]

just level once

and then u dont need any other aspect ever

[plain river]

beo is so strong from casts that boosting the attack isn’t that big of a deal

[quartz pebble]

All the other aspects are at level 1 except fists which is maxed

So any are good with me

[vagrant crane]

if ur maxing just do like hestia

[plain river]

You have no personal preference?

[vagrant crane]

maybe achilles

luci if u wanna play that

[plain river]

nem, gy, achilles, demeter, hestia & luci all get big value from levels

So does eris but eris is eris

[vagrant crane]

nem already starts out pretty good

[plain river]

what’s the base rate on nem?

[vagrant crane]

15%

[quartz pebble]

Nah I like them all

[plain river]

Doubling that is pretty nice

[vagrant crane]

speedrun.com is possibly the worst website ever created

[vagrant crane]

yeah but its not too bad already

[plain river]

[vagrant crane]

dude

the banner ads

will cover your profile button

and the X is so tiny

same with if you ever decide you want to maybe filter anything

[plain river]

I like my 23% boost in damage

[vagrant crane]

yeah but its not like hestia where you get a 200% boost

[plain river]

true

But Hestia means they won’t be checking the sword hammer tierlist

[quartz pebble]

Hestia and Eris seem to both end up good at max level

Eris sooner than hestia

But I’ve heard a lot more about hestia than eris

[plain river]

Eris is super strong

Don’t get me wrong

But I think it’s a bit more satisfying to run something other then fds while hunting clockets

[quartz pebble]

Is hestia better or are they equal?

Same question for ramas and hera how tbh

[plain river]

Last I checked (7 months ago) eris was better if your goal is speed and hestia if you’re pushing higher heat

[quartz pebble]

Im not really a speedy clearer but maybe I should if I’m running tight scheduele pact

[plain river]

same thing with Rama and Hera iirc where Hera is speed, Rama is heat

Tbh without much time investmenr you should be able to fix up your runs to easily land you under 20m w/ any weapon

[quartz pebble]

Should I go for the higher heat aspects if I’m not really a speedrunner?

[vagrant crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766637757726722/1187202047515299960/IMG_2159.png?ex=65960711&is=65839211&hm=c03e8d1756b26f71151a7a9b5bfeacdedcd0b00c00c60201ebc87092ccc4baf8&

i just wanna check my pending

[vagrant crane]

sure

thats what i did at first

and then i got bored after 50

[plain river]

Well the thing w/ calling them higher heat

[vagrant crane]

oh aspects

[plain river]

Hestia is in that area because it’s safer while being big damage

[vagrant crane]

most aspects are good at both if they are good at one

beo

hestia eris

[plain river]

eris wants you playing in melee & damage boosts are fast so works well for speed

[vagrant crane]

those are the only good aspects actually

all the other ones suck

and also hestia and eris suck too

use beo

[plain river]

Stop poisoning them

Use aspects regardless of their viability

It can be way fun to mix up how things go

W/ out being concerned w/ results

Hestia is higher heat then eris because it’s playstyle is safer, & Rama because it’s just consistent

[vagrant crane]

eris has 62

[plain river]

It has it

[vagrant crane]

just get dp

and +3

[plain river]

Like

[vagrant crane]

and everything else

[plain river]

actually I’m not that qualified to talk given it’s been about 7 months since I stopped keeping track of Hades

[vagrant crane]

rama also has 62

[plain river]

But just because someone has done something w/ x aspect

Doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the best aspect to attempt that with

[vagrant crane]

just like how hera sucks

[plain river]

did you change your name and pfp or

[vagrant crane]

jazz

[plain river]

ah

[potent tree]

Used to be a fluffy kitten

[vagrant crane]

now im paul walrus

a paul walrus with a sub5

first of its kind

[plain river]

Hunting for my brackets back

I know I saw exactly 1 username w/ them still

[vagrant crane]

distant memory best keepsake

[plain river]

Yup

Shoot can’t copy the server username on mobile

[vagrant crane]

』『

[plain river]

I would’ve kept them in my regular name but since they were doing away w/ account #’s I figured my name actually had to be typeable

Alr

Clearly if I boot up the game now

I’ll get the perfect zag sword - flurry, piercing wave, heroic swift strike run

[vagrant crane]

is that perfect

[plain river]

Uh

As the sword hammer tierlist guy

obviously

It lines up w/ everything outlined in the tierlist

[south sonnet]

hoarding cooler

[plain river]

(I was about to put in a disclaimer about it not actually being perfect when you asked)

[plain river]

Hoarding I’ve already done

[south sonnet]

all it takes is 30x20(600) monies and hoarding is better(unless attack boons trigger from wave)

[vagrant crane]

hoarding slash is not affected by literally anything

[south sonnet]

i know, talking about wave

[plain river]

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1064415213476126750/IMG_2773.jpg?ex=65924cea&is=657fd7ea&hm=b5f5c3af7787c974d6bdfe3ef45f913f527d1abfc54fb56632cecbe8190d2ffc&||

[plain river]

You shouldn’t ever have that much cash on you

Obols are meant to be spent

& you’ll get far more value from spending that 600

Also, no, attack boons don’t trigger off wave

Wave is just free damage

Hence why it’s so high up on the aforementioned tierlist (that can be found in Bananas 32 heat guide #notsponsored)

and was made by yours truly

[plain river]

@south sonnet even with absurd amounts of obols, it just isn’t good

My time speaks to that

[south sonnet]

rip

just zag sword being bad

[plain river]

The run time compared to my other runs is explanatory enough

[plain river]

Nem wouldn’t’ve been much different

since crit isn’t applied to hoarding

[south sonnet]

although im not the sword expert, all i do is fail to get duos and legs on poseidon

[plain river]

The only thing I think I can call myself an expert in is using shackle

[south sonnet]

im good at rav will

[plain river]

~10% of my 249 clears have been done w/ Shackle on the entire run

24 or 25

No actually it would be 26 I think

Because 24 of them were 20 heat or lower(lower was w/ spear) & 2 of them were 32

[keen siren]

is a 10 duo build possible or just really rare? I guess what I'm asking is, is if there is a duo cap?

[plain river]

It is certainly possible…

You just need the stars to align w/ a 5 god pool

There isn’t a hard cap on duos but there is a limit to how many boons you can get at all in a run, since there are only so many rooms

[crimson ether]

AAAAAH I’m trying to get a sub 10 on shield as my last weapon for sub 10 on all, and my run was 10.00.44

I don’t even-

AAAGH

[proper furnace]

Just one time save away

[crimson ether]

What’s funny is I think I stopped to fish in Tartarus

never thought I’d lose a run to fishing

[eager flint]

fishing pauses the timer

it still counts the time that you take to like go back and forth to the fishing spot

but while actually fishing the timer is paused

[wind glen]

@ocean cliff nemesis

[ocean cliff]

👍

[wind glen]

id say

[ocean cliff]

pos is silly cast shenanigans

im not sweating for time

[wind glen]

nemesis is incredibly good w aphro attack, arty special and heart rend

[south sonnet]

pos is fun
my current run shows it

[ocean cliff]

noted

[wind glen]

ye pos is cool tho

[ocean cliff]

whats your least liked aspect tho

[wind glen]

pos has some rly nice synergy w stuff like exit wounds

[ocean cliff]

not inclding zag

[wind glen]

hmmm

for sword?

[ocean cliff]

yaaa i always try to get ewounds on pos

[ocean cliff]

no in general

[wind glen]

hmmm

i honestly dk

[ocean cliff]

i have a big controversial opinion on this

:trol:

[wind glen]

i feel talos is a tad underwhelming

idk theyre all rly good when used under the right circumstances

[ocean cliff]

yea im asking like

[wind glen]

maybe arthur too since its a tad sluggish and im not quite sure on how to build it

[ocean cliff]

purely subjective

[zenith fractal]

As a former talos main, back in my casual days... Talos kinda

[ocean cliff]

talos is my main gloves

👁️

[wind glen]

demeter rocks ngl

[ocean cliff]

oops!

[zenith fractal]

Aspect of zeus cast, rod and rush delivery

[ocean cliff]

aspect of zeus on arthur

👍

[ocean cliff]

dont kill me but i hate achilles

[zenith fractal]

Very hard to play

[wind glen]

^

[zenith fractal]

But really powerful

[ocean cliff]

i know it can do damage but the gameplay is yucky for me

maybe im just too brainrotted tho

[wind glen]

im guessing u love hades aspect

[ocean cliff]

on spear?

[wind glen]

ye

[ocean cliff]

i dont really like spear in general

[zenith fractal]

I'm a guan yu person

With some occasional zag spear

[ocean cliff]

so only really play guan

[wind glen]

oy

ye guan is fun

[ocean cliff]

arthur if it wasnt mid

💯

[wind glen]

honestly

gotta agree lol

spec guan is fun as hell

[ocean cliff]

what do i take from chaos on nemesis

spec or base atk

[wind glen]

base atk

[zenith fractal]

Chaos is just aspect of cshot splash dash

zag shield but bad

[ocean cliff]

watch your words.

[wind glen]

you really just wanna use the spec to activate the crit chance for the atk

[ocean cliff]

noted

[wind glen]

well actually chaos shield-

[zenith fractal]

(And even then, the less you use special on chaos, the better)

[wind glen]

^

[proper furnace]

Aspectless shield is a good description of chaos aspect

[wind glen]

i mean

it is primordial

[ocean cliff]

zag shield right here

flat dmg upp

💀

[proper furnace]

You still use it at least

[ocean cliff]

people do?

iswear shield playrates are 70% beo 30% zeus

[proper furnace]

I mean both are aspect of Cshot at the end of the day

But you at least can use the +15 base dmg bonus

[ocean cliff]

:(

[proper furnace]

Also zag shield gets pulv blow which is funny

[wind glen]

aw cmon lets not be too harsh

its fun throwing 6 shields

[ocean cliff]

pulv blow beo 💯

[south sonnet]

chaos er sounds funny, though idk if theres icd to it

[zenith fractal]

Idk man all my beo PBs, for heat or speed, have had sudden rush and no first hammer cshot

[proper furnace]

Doesn't work

No special hammer works with the extra stuff

[south sonnet]

chaos shield worst aspect confirmed

[ocean cliff]

they were talking abt zag/chaos i think

[wind glen]

[ocean cliff]

or not?

[proper furnace]

With the fusion aspect mod yeah

6 zeus shields

[zenith fractal]

Don't mind me I'm dumb

[wind glen]

oh good god

[proper furnace]

Yeah zag/chaos

[ocean cliff]

idk if cshot on zeus is that good tbf

[wind glen]

YES IT IS

[ocean cliff]

you focus on spec anyway

[wind glen]

omg

[proper furnace]

2nd best hammer

Cshot is just that good

[ocean cliff]

i know its graet in general

[wind glen]

i got my heat pb w it

[ocean cliff]

i meann

for high heat yeah

for general play

[wind glen]

deadly reversal lul

[ocean cliff]

it just doesnt synergize that well with zeus

[proper furnace]

Good hammer is good what can I say

[ocean cliff]

sure

[proper furnace]

If I'm doing em4 I don't take it too often tough

[zenith fractal]

I'm bad at cshot shield

[proper furnace]

Rush is comfy

[ocean cliff]

jst realized i havent swapped keepsake from last runn so im running charon in tart

rot

[zenith fractal]

My 50 beo was without cshot, my current beo anyheat pb was cshotless

Sudden rush kinda safer cshot on beo ngl

[wind glen]

dang

[ocean cliff]

doesnt srush on beo equal more dmg

[wind glen]

idk if ill ever be able to do 50 heat

maybe one day the fates will let me

[proper furnace]

You rush often at point blank so not really

I did 50 with zag shield

I'm like actually bad at beo

[ocean cliff]

same

lol!

[wind glen]

i feel like im bad but at least time wise i still do kinda well

[plain river]

Sudden rush isn’t really necessary since cshot is fast as is & you’re already firing @ point blank

[zenith fractal]

👀

[wind glen]

^

[zenith fractal]

Iframes

Cshot removes bull rush iframes

Whereas sudden rush just makes you go fast

[wind glen]

hm

ig for high heat you could make a case for sudden rush being better than cshot

but for time id say cshot wins any day

[zenith fractal]

(On beowulf and zeus specifically)

[zenith fractal]

Definitely

[ocean cliff]

high heat chaos 💯

[south sonnet]

sudden rush only makes it go farther faster, which is actually a timeloss since youll spend more time in the bull rush

[wind glen]

no, next

[zenith fractal]

If my anyheat beo got cshot at any point, it would have sub8-ed

(God damn FF is such a better category )

[wind glen]

ok nvm

chaos has one major upside

[ocean cliff]

ff is kinda boring tbh

its one build

[wind glen]

which is chaos themselves randomly saying ominous words when you kill stuff

[ocean cliff]

so true

[zenith fractal]

Not if you do no-resets like me

[ocean cliff]

still youre guaranteed athena as first boon tho

[south sonnet]

it has another:
costs less blood to unlock than beo

[ocean cliff]

chaos appearing out of the shield to whisper into your ear.

[zenith fractal]

Those consistencies are why I part of why I enjoy the cat so much

[ocean cliff]

fair

[zenith fractal]

Another part is that mono-dash sword combat is fun as heck

[wind glen]

tfw chaos teasing.

[ocean cliff]

👀

[wind glen]

btw just remembered smth

zeus is rly good w cshot bc

unlike other shields

u can charge a bull rush whilst the special is out

so zeus cshot > chaos cshot ig

[ocean cliff]

yea yea

cshot on chaos is bad tbh

you cannot rush into enemies and shotgun them at point blank

[zenith fractal]

Once again, except for high heat. People play high heat zeus without cshot.

[wind glen]

i mean

thats mainly bc explosive return exists

[zenith fractal]

While for chaos, cshot is near-required for chaos at any difficulty or goal

[wind glen]

that or sudden rush ig

[zenith fractal]

Not entirely true afaik

[ocean cliff]

👎

[wind glen]

i mean they're not wrong

[ocean cliff]

important offtopic question

what the hell is OwO category.

[zenith fractal]

One weapon Only

Play all aspects of a weap

[ocean cliff]

ehh?

[wind glen]

@ocean cliff you being the chaos shield simp you are, tell us, how do u like running chaos

[proper furnace]

Been a while since I've seen someone be surprised with OwO naming

[ocean cliff]

you mean build wise or technically

[wind glen]

build wise ig

[zenith fractal]

as a former wr-holder for 40 heat chaos, chaos bad

[ocean cliff]

i play low heat for the unlocks so i can roll with anything

:trol:

usually build it like zeus tho (duh)

fnny thunda

[wind glen]

funky

im tryna see if merciful end works well

[ocean cliff]

on chaos??

[zenith fractal]

Me when optimal chaos is without using the special

[ocean cliff]

LMFAO

i can see why

[zenith fractal]

My chaos 40 was with ME

[ocean cliff]

👁️

[proper furnace]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[ocean cliff]

i meannn

[proper furnace]

Finding it took way too long cuz I just typed an emote lmao

[ocean cliff]

ares spec chaos is fun

not so mmch good

[zenith fractal]

[proper furnace]

Was searching with "zag shield"/ best shield/etc

[ocean cliff]

👁️

[plain river]

ME always works

[zenith fractal]

If a melee weap exists, ME works

(With like 2 exceptions, beo and arthur)

[wind glen]

not untrue

[plain river]

If a weapon exists, ME works

w/ 0 exceptions

[ocean cliff]

me arthur 😭

[zenith fractal]

Idk hera me is sad

[ocean cliff]

the curse gonna drop on its own faster

[plain river]

ME Zagbow 💪

[zenith fractal]

ME bow in general sounds sad

[plain river]

Wdym?

[ocean cliff]

arthur, slow

[plain river]

It still drops the same way as ME sword

You prok me off dash

[wind glen]

please get out.

[plain river]

so you just dstrike

[ocean cliff]

👁️

[plain river]

no issue

[ocean cliff]

right.

[ocean cliff]

💔

[zenith fractal]

Still slower to proc, dashstrike animation on arthur still takes ages despite being its fastest attack

[plain river]

Every ranged weapon also works as a melee weapon so no issue there

[wind glen]

tfw rama bow in melee mode

[zenith fractal]

ME zag rail + spread fire, sure, but every other rail is meh for ME

[proper furnace]

Bow:

[plain river]

Just pick up flurry

And rama has it’s special which I think comes out faster then dstrike?

[zenith fractal]

And I didn't even know about zag rail working with ME for the longest time because it's so weird to think about

[ocean cliff]

me hera sure works bt like, why

[plain river]

because it works on every weapon

[zenith fractal]

There's a cursed rama ME guide somewhere that the whole speedrunning discord server makes fun of nowadays

[plain river]

oh a full guide?

Tf

[ocean cliff]

it works, but pplaying hera the way god intended is just better, no?

[plain river]

It’s like 2 sentences of explaination

[wind glen]

well that always works ig but still

[south sonnet]

athena and ares are gods, and they intend for zag to me

[proper furnace]

Is it lily's?

[zenith fractal]

Flurry shot still has end-lag. And by playing ME on bow you're relinquishing the whole advantage that bow has: range.

[plain river]

because why not

[ocean cliff]

understandable, have a great day

[plain river]

I’m saying that ME works on every weapon, because it literally does

It’s just a scale of how viable it is

[ocean cliff]

cant argue with that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proper furnace]

Bring back titan toppler as a pre requisite

It totally needs it

[plain river]

[ocean cliff]

jst dont proc me off dash and snipe the enemy with spec instead

[zenith fractal]

FF comfies too

[ocean cliff]

:trol:

[plain river]

Zag rail my beloved

I love spreadfire

[zenith fractal]

Special takes millenia to finish

• endlag

[wind glen]

spread fire hestia is amazing imo

hestia in general

i love the goddess of the hearth <3

[proper furnace]

Triple shot players:

Almost got dyno'd

[ocean cliff]

they didnt notice the :trol: 💔

[plain river]

Hold on

|| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1043737393477459978/IMG_2547.jpg?ex=6590e732&is=657e7232&hm=f6aa4d0bd25ef406505c66c1f956b4b5200ff300876f059e7f27b4347179d882&||

[zenith fractal]

W H Y

NO

[ocean cliff]

based...

[proper furnace]

Purple rd really appears on the funniest builds

[wind glen]

fellas should we just start getting stupid ME runs to post here on the server

[zenith fractal]

RD carry

[proper furnace]

Bring back RaME yeah

LuciMEr

[wind glen]

deMEter

[zenith fractal]

You wasted a porpl rd ME seed

[ocean cliff]

hell yea.

[wind glen]

oh wait

this is actually viable

mb

[ocean cliff]

👁️

[zenith fractal]

That's already a thing, ME is meta for all fists

[proper furnace]

Meta buds don't count

Builds

[ocean cliff]

omw to play chaos me

[proper furnace]

The typo stays

[wind glen]

thats me rn

[nimble relic]

idk if this is right channel but i assume so, whats the last keepsake in order of left to right

[ocean cliff]

:(

leave me and my chaos shield alone.

[proper furnace]

Credits related

[ocean cliff]

||mom pom||

[wind glen]

mine now

[ocean cliff]

💔

[nimble relic]

ah ok

[nimble relic]

thx

[upbeat pagoda]

how do we gift ambyrosia

[wind glen]

chaoMEs

[ocean cliff]

when you see a god on the ground

[plain river]

I played enough stupid builds to have it all over

[ocean cliff]

you can gift it

[proper furnace]

Do cool thing for god, god opens lock, gift ambrosia

[ocean cliff]

(room reward)

OH AMBROSI.

i still cannot read

[upbeat pagoda]

im tryna give it to this maegera or whatever she not accepting it

[ocean cliff]

uhhhh

[proper furnace]

Meg favor is just keep talking to her basically

[ocean cliff]

i think you just have to beat her alone without EM

a bunnch of timees

[plain river]

Isn’t that one of 2 meta chaos builds

Alongside smair

[upbeat pagoda]

they making me do this all this work these nectars not cheap tho

borinh ahh

[ocean cliff]

????

i am learning new information.

[wind glen]

no idea i barely play chaos

[proper furnace]

I think my fav meta build was always lightning phalanx arthur

[plain river]

I mean it’s a melee weapon that hasn’t got a lot going on so you either cshot w/ +% or you ME

[wind glen]

dk if its meta but artic blast chiron is rly cool

[tight basin]

meta chaos build is cshot with flat damage soup and ME

[plain river]

the issue w/ arctic blast is the cooldown on frost stacks

[tight basin]

chaos sub6 is cshot fds i believe

[proper furnace]

Real

I used to do this one so much

[wind glen]

wait they have cooldown?

[tight basin]

oh yeah shackle while you were gone, all aspects have a sub6 now

[ocean cliff]

chiron in general

👍

[plain river]

It’s really cool but feels bad when your remaining arrows don’t prok any frost

[zenith fractal]

Chiron

[proper furnace]

Chiron in general

👎

[plain river]

chiron in low heat 👍
Chiron in general

[wind glen]

thank you jfkfc

very cool

[plain river]

It works best there

[zenith fractal]

(Re-wording: it only works there)

[plain river]

I’m sorry don’t you diss my discount zagbow

[tight basin]

nonsense it has a sub6 chiron is goated

[wind glen]

chiron if zeus bolts didnt have cooldown

[ocean cliff]

dan haelian running ice chiron on 32heat

[plain river]

good players are good

[wind glen]

write that down

[ocean cliff]

thatdown

[plain river]

That doesn’t mean their builds have to be

[ocean cliff]

what now

[ocean cliff]

ik ik

[proper furnace]

32 heat more like spicy any heat

[tight basin]

given the right pact

[plain river]

like if I took say, my favourite speedrunner, bananas, and said “look at his January monthly challenge build(you better have done January’s monthly challenge), it’s clearly good because he’s used that build before and he’s good”

[zenith fractal]

Alright, thing about haelian is that
1: he is very mechanically skilled
2: he orients his content to be more entertaining than informative, so he occasionally intentionally doesn't give some pieces of info because it would sound too rambly or would not fit with the style of the video. It also means he regularly showcases meme builds to show how varied builds can be in the game as opposed to showing the best options. This has qualities of its own, but should not be interpreted as genuine advice.

[ocean cliff]

i know 😭

[plain river]

Did not mean to reply to that message

[proper furnace]

Was gonna ask lmfao

[tight basin]

what was the january monthly challenge lmao

[plain river]

obols

[ocean cliff]

hoarding slash

:trol:

[wind glen]

good god hoarding slash

[upbeat pagoda]

i wanna try that the 32 heat week "full extreme measures+perks for shielded enemies and some added in debuffs " should get it done

[plain river]

just get all the obols

[upbeat pagoda]

highest i got done was 10 with the bow

[tight basin]

oh that yeah it was pretty bad

[ocean cliff]

i like dan cuz hes skilled enough to make any build work on 32 heat, by no means i think of him as an average player

(also hes entertaining as you said)

[tight basin]

he has like a 56 heat record or something lmao

and like a sub7 igt i think? i think he mainly does rta tho im not sure

[ocean cliff]

i feel like those high heats are impressive to beat in the first place

speedrunning it is something else

[plain river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1064415213476126750/IMG_2773.jpg?ex=65924cea&is=657fd7ea&hm=b5f5c3af7787c974d6bdfe3ef45f913f527d1abfc54fb56632cecbe8190d2ffc&||

[zenith fractal]

But no ff submission

[south sonnet]

technically any build works up to 59 heat if td0(unless you cant outdamage em4)

[tight basin]

unfortunate

[wind glen]

bouldy carried

[tight basin]

however he did a fresh file to epilogue

so like there's that lmao

[plain river]

I was missing fo2 for no good reaosn there

[zenith fractal]

Not even comparable

One is long, the other is fun

[plain river]

Fr

[ocean cliff]

i mean the skill ceiling required for a 59 heat dog run is as high as the patience

[plain river]

I actually bouldy maniped for obol %

[ocean cliff]

20+ min dad fight

[proper furnace]

Speaking of FF I still laugh in a good way that eazyspeezy did a FF run

[ocean cliff]

es god gamer 💯

[proper furnace]

I always saw him as the "speedrun flash game" dude

[zenith fractal]

He even linked sophie's guide

[plain river]

Oh gosh I saw the video thumbnail and was like “tf do yoh mean 30minutes speedrun”

[wind glen]

lmaoo

whats the current FF wr?

[plain river]

2 seconds

[tight basin]

like sub17

[plain river]

From me

[zenith fractal]

17:41 by Nitrostarch

[tight basin]

oh nvm lmao sub18

[zenith fractal]

No

[wind glen]

oh alr

impressive

[ocean cliff]

is ff ranked by rta? or what

[plain river]

I think it is

[proper furnace]

Yeah rta

[ocean cliff]

oh!

[plain river]

Bananas what should I build

You’re my google “I’m feeling lucky” button rn

[tight basin]

uh

[south sonnet]

shackle poseidon

[tight basin]

shackle luci

[plain river]

Sounds good

[ocean cliff]

still not verified (or he didnt even submit it)

[tight basin]

how long ago was that lmao

[ocean cliff]

a month and some

[zenith fractal]

Probably didn't submit

[tight basin]

it should be verified soon enough if he did submit it

[proper furnace]

Does he usually submit runs

[ocean cliff]

idek honestly

[tight basin]

but if it's that long then he might not have

[plain river]

I think so?

[ocean cliff]

he has 31 submitted runs

[plain river]

This & shackle luci may take a bit

I’m rusty

[zenith fractal]

I have a super recent run ||my ff rail wr|| that got verified today, he clearly did not submit

[plain river]

does his video maybe not meet the media requirements for it?

[zenith fractal]

There are cuts

[ocean cliff]

i mean the youtube video is cut

[plain river]

Oh real

But he would have the original footage

[ocean cliff]

but he definitely has (or at least had) the full reecording

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plain river]

Lets go darkness trsde

Thank you broker

[zenith fractal]

If he deleted the original recording, he would be the third person I know of to have cleared ff, recorded, but never submitted

[ocean cliff]

jst realized eurydice made my hyper sprint heroic

rotting

[plain river]

Tbh I was trying to decide how to go about shackle poseidon and I thought “yeah I’d do zap dash and then dio call and hit smair”

That is not how that works

well actually

I just have to roll with whatever I find because it’s shackle

[south sonnet]

just do the funny 125 damage cast

[zenith fractal]

Chaos as only scaling

[valid dagger]

zap dash will make your dashstrike sticky

take zeus call

[plain river]

I know zap dash does that

I’ve done smair w/ shackle too many times

[valid dagger]

do passion dash dio call low tolerance

[ocean cliff]

😭

[plain river]

I even made this great visual a while back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1003950297665781830/zeus_dash_bug.png?ex=6593d093&is=65815b93&hm=55703389309ef2e991192047cb7f4a949ff2def73d7e4403b5506ebee69a3b0a&

[valid dagger]

oh that's your visual

it's pretty gud

[ocean cliff]

that sure is something

[plain river]

It shows exactly what’s necessary

[ocean cliff]

TIL you can dash mid sword special

bootleg hammer

[plain river]

Eh it’s really whatever I find, my hands are tied start w/ shackle

[zenith fractal]

Dash-specialing. We use it a lot in ff.

[ocean cliff]

👁️

noted

[zenith fractal]

(Can't talk for anyheat or high heat, I don't play those nearly as much)

[south sonnet]

special animation cancel is very cool

its essentially free damage

[tight basin]

it's probably used in anyheat as well, i dont see why it wouldn't

esp in tart

high heat might be more dubious since you want to be more mindful about your dashes

but you could probably get away with it in tart since tart generally isn't too difficult

[plain river]

Zap dashn when lightning reflexes exists

[ocean cliff]

i love the part where this chat is high end players discussing speedrun strats and stuff
and here i am with barely any technical knowledge of the game

[plain river]

um well hunter dash

[zenith fractal]

True

Also RD, but as we all know RD is fake

[plain river]

Who at super giant games decided to hack my game files & turn on JS8 for this room

[wind glen]

i have no idea whats being discussed either so dw

[ocean cliff]

anyway

is #h1-victory-boasting the only channel with image perms?

i got a silly visual bug

[south sonnet]

poseidon cast/special only when

[south sonnet]

you can use embeds

[plain river]

Yeah

[ocean cliff]

oh, right

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172267362020491315/1187519476078485605/image.png?ex=65972eb2&is=6584b9b2&hm=3be0a1de4fde0bb0b6973e8efc4376ba85755933669dfd4500e06fd385e9d928&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=670

hunters mark looking weird

[plain river]

?

[proper furnace]

What happened to the mark lmao

[plain river]

What are those pink diamonds beside Passion dash & dying lament

those aren’t supposed to be there

[ocean cliff]

pink diamonds?

[plain river]

[zenith fractal]

That sounds like my FF one-handed clear, I unbound my attack for that

[ocean cliff]

youu mean aphro boons in general or

[south sonnet]

only cast spamming on poseidon, no using attack/other boons

[plain river]

I’m pulling your leg

[ocean cliff]

and its only beams

[ocean cliff]

?!

[wind glen]

bamboozled!

[ocean cliff]

💔

i agree with whatever is going on.

[plain river]

That would just be painful

Ok so Shackle Poseidon is going fine

I was forced to pick up athena cast in tart but I managed to sell it off

I’m just missing my first hammer, dio or aphro for my 4th god & like whatever else

[ocean cliff]

shackle what did you mean by that

[south sonnet]

125 cast damage is fine

[plain river]

The damage isn’t the issue

Well it is

but everything else is the issue

lose all aoe and speed

[ocean cliff]

stygian soul on cast run

[plain river]

stygian soul works well on some weapons

[ocean cliff]

beo

:trol:

[wind glen]

it actually can

dio beo

[plain river]

It does work well

[ocean cliff]

oh yea

dio exists

rotting

[plain river]

Trippy beo or trippy hera

[wind glen]

ye

[south sonnet]

i think cod beo also works

[plain river]

also hunting blades achilles if you have ebough

[ocean cliff]

its weir

[plain river]

cod just doesn’t work

sorry lemme rephrase

It just doesn’t work well

On anything

[ocean cliff]

it has the damage

but its jst slower

than mirage

also its bad with cshot