I've been wondering if people actually sit down with the idea of "doing an ME build" and then death-reset many times until they get it working early. Nice to see it confirmed. While it may be necessary for speedrun records, definitely do NOT recommend doing this if you just want to enjoy the game. I think it's a lot more fun to do random starts and learn to make the best use of the random stuff the game throws at you.
#h1-builds-and-combat
narrow pike
vagrant crane
some of us dont gain enjoyment from using wet noodles in anyheat
narrow pike
There's some wiggle room. For example, I allow the first god and its boons to dictate which aspect I pick, choosing something appropriate for those boons. If Dionysus offers attack/special/dash and you started with Hestia, there's little hope of making this useful. Aside from this compromise, there's a lot of things people might be underestimating that can actually work surprisingly well. For example, I've long considered Demeter to be a weak god on many weapon aspects, but after enough random runs, eventually learned how to make good use of her. (Get a good cast and weave it into your damage rotation. Works better on some aspects than others.) And I think there's fun in learning those "sleeper picks".
narrow pike
Well, you can strawman what I said, or consider the actual suggestion 🙂
I found Trippy Shot to be an excellent addition to many non-cast-reliant builds when you have Demeter and/or Zeus
analog mauve
I have been forced into crystal beam enough to know
Oh i see
I feel dumb
👍
Pretty sure getting a good cast and weaving it into your rotation is just how you normally play
narrow pike
It should be, but the guides I've read did not emphasize this enough
analog mauve
I think it's taken for granted that people do this/it's for after you get a good feeling of the actual rotation
vagrant crane
There's some wiggle room. For example, I allow the first god and its boons to di...
oh well a lot of people (including me) are not willing to swap like that
that invalidates any runs u get for the board
eager flint
Does frozen touch add some hitstun to you ? I feel like I got stunlocked way more after taking it (as copium) than before
In which case, damn it sucks so bad
I was already shocked to just discover it's not AoE
maiden grail
What build would I want to make for a run if I wanted to have one of my moves be a “begone” button
vagrant crane
standard beo build
eager flint
similarly, hera is good for burst if you load all your stones
Otherwise, any rail with clocket, hestia with clocket and sniping shot, luci with triple bomb
rama with twin + explosive
poseidon or achilles with big casts (dio, athena, etc)
maiden grail
I've yet to get the rail clocket hammers
I do want to point blank rocket shotgun things
ivory turtle
I do want to point blank rocket shotgun things
Yee go zag rail for the shotgun. It's honestly really fun and I really don't like Rail for the most part
tight basin
any rail works for clockets frankly lmao
south sonnet
eris is best
ivory turtle
Oh I was just thinking about the shotgun hammer
Anyway uhhh if you give me a build (not rail) I will try to do it
tight basin
rama
ivory turtle
K :D
tight basin
normal rama build of aphrodite attack, flat damage special, and hunter's dash
Epic/Rare Aphrodite > Artemis (any rarity) > Epic percentage-based non-Aphrodite > Common Aphrodite > Rare/Common percentage-based non-Aphrodite
if you get twin shot for your first hammer, artemis attack works well too
tight basin
zeus or aphrodite
zeus for his special -> jolted is mainly for like speedrunning
but that's mostly because you can live off of twin shot for a while lmao
ivory turtle
Ooooh I like the idea of forcing Zeus, I usually force attack boons first
I'm just looking to shake up how I normally play, I'm a bit stuck in a rut
Thanks man :DD
tight basin
just dont do an all special run lmao
ivory turtle
Oh dw, that sounds like pain and sadness
tight basin
some people call that a good rama build
ivory turtle
Also I got offered common thunder flourish so I'd have a much harder time of it lol
It just sounds so... Boring
tight basin
it's just budget delta chamber lmao
common rarity off of thunder flourish is a bit sad since it misses the breakpoint of killing a witch with 1 bolt lmao
but it's not like you're speedrunning
ivory turtle
twin :D
tight basin
gaming
ivory turtle
Wait so with twin, Aphrodite is still preferred right
tight basin
are you going into aspho rn?
ivory turtle
Not yet, just Aphrodite early
tight basin
oh if you found her naturally just take it
that way you can force artemis into aspho for her dash
ivory turtle
Ooooh u rite
Oh shoot
Uhh
I forgot I had customs on and I have only essential boons 🥲
I guess I can get rid of Athena dash
Oh and that'll open up hunters
tight basin
based
tight basin
explosive isn't that great on rama lmao
it kinda cucks your full charge
and it's hella slow
bosses are gonna be a pain in the ass
ivory turtle
Yeah Im feeling that lol
I did get pp and mark tho, so when I hit I hit like a truck
I probably should've taken relentless
tight basin
what was the third option lmao
ivory turtle
Repulse shot 
tight basin
oh lmao yeah relentless would be the best choice here
repulse and explosive are at the bottom of the pick list for rama
ivory turtle
Does repulse actually do anything
tight basin
and sniper
it does but it's kinda like a nothing hammer
everything else does something
even if it's just a special hammer
like yeah the knockback does work, but it's just pointless
ivory turtle
Just BARELY survived Dad
tight basin
gamer
ivory turtle
I was on no DD the entire time too
That was also my first sub 20 run 
Ty for the build btw!!
sonic swan
I am realllllly struggling to get above 20+ heat on the spear. Just what on Earth do I possibly build to get 32 heat or even EM4
potent tree
Depends very much on which spear
vagrant crane
I am realllllly struggling to get above 20+ heat on the spear. Just what on Eart...
and the pinned build guide
worn solar
zap is pretty reliable
sullen flame
hi I have about 17 completions atm and I'm going for an epilogue, all of the builds I used I thought of myself
however I can't think of any more builds so I came here to ask for more, using the same thing over and over got boring
I used aspect of poseidon with exit wounds, crit bow, ares arthur
eager flint
... ares arthur ? oO
alors here for plenty of good builds https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
sullen flame
... ares arthur ? oO
that's what I was told was good
sullen flame
alors here for plenty of good builds https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-bu...
so I can have three gods together?
I always went with two gods thinking three is too much
eager flint
The god pool is 4 gods
You can exceed it but it's not recommended
also I don't have any clue what "ares arthur" would look like
What kind of build did you make with this ?
I feel like you're mixing up Arthur and Athena
sullen flame
I feel like you're mixing up Arthur and Athena
I took aspect of Arthur and ares on special
so far the best builds I used were exit wounds Poseidon aspect sword and crit bow
especially exit wounds aspect of poseidon tho
eager flint
I mean, ares on special sounds ok, but that doesn't seem like a whole build you can do
and yeah poseidon exit wounds is good
dapper harness
can exit wounds crit
sullen flame
I mean, ares on special sounds ok, but that doesn't seem like a whole build you ...
I could try some on hit build with fists like zeus and ares maybe
eager flint
yeah zapfist and merciful end are both very strong
well, pretty strong
it's not beo or eris
eager flint
can exit wounds crit<:thanthink:669246004142538753>
doesn't have any inherent crit chance, so you need PP or similar
on another note
damn it I suck so much with hestia
mouse gaming moment
dapper harness
yea I meant with pp cuz some things can't crit even with pp
eager flint
oh, idk for sure for that
proper furnace
I don't think any of us care enough about exit wounds to know
Could use hunter's mark so it doesn't take forever to check but mark also allows some things to crit that pp doesn't
vagrant crane
slow is an interesting descriptor
sullen flame
I don't think any of us care enough about exit wounds to know
exit wounds is cool bro :((((
polar python
Oh that's fascinating. I mean I prefer Hunters Mark over Pressure Points generally, but I had no idea they behaved differently.
vagrant crane
it strongly depends on context
like on beo with deadly strike of course marked will be better than pp
polar python
Oh okay.
vagrant crane
but if you have like an ME build and true shot but no DR then PP will be more effective
polar python
Hadn't thought about crits for companion tbh.
proper furnace
And iirc splitting headache is worded like hunter's mark but works like a buff lmao
polar python
Learn something new every day.
proper furnace
exit wounds is cool bro :((((
Sure sure
vagrant crane
polar python
Does this mean that with PP a swing from, say Arthur, will be or not be a critical hit (i.e. if it's a critical hit then all enemies hit by it take crit damage).
uneven birch
there are any specific fun builds for aspect of zag rail? Zeus seems kind of obvious, I tried it and it's pretty decent
proper furnace
there are any specific fun builds for aspect of zag rail? Zeus seems kind of obv...
Specific to zag rail there's using spread fire for arte attack or classic ME
ivory turtle
Ok how does one guan yu
(also spread fire is a pretty... fire hammer for zag rail 
)
south sonnet
Ok how does one guan yu
step 1: have blood
step 2: either go for an attack or special build
if special build, hope for charged skewer with aph/art special, and then try to get a good swift flourish
if attack build, either aph or art attack and hope for good swift flourish, as well as the following hammers: flaring spin, quick spin, massive spin
step 3: spam either special or attack
no blood vs maxed guan yu is so different
ivory turtle
Yeah I tried no blood when I first unlocked it and cried
south sonnet
my first run was a win because of dad pass
tight basin
It's technically the same damage you just die faster lmao
ivory turtle
I have level 4 rn, might go back and make it 5 to be safe
south sonnet
It's technically the same damage you just die faster lmao
its just a lot of safety so you dont die from 2 dad hits
tight basin
Just don't get hit easy
Technically speaking it's easier to keep up high confidence with less hp lmao
ivory turtle
For some reason that gave me the same energy as smash 4 Bayonetta mains saying "just SDI" lol
tight basin
Just don't get hit is a very common philosophy among gamers it seems
ivory turtle
Welp looks like this is a serrated point run lol
south sonnet
serrated guan yu might also work
gy is one of the few weapons with many actually somewhat viable alternatives
potent tree
I had a Guan Yu run with Charged Skewer and Serrated Point once. It was quite damaging
ivory turtle
Bruh
I just got sea storm with Zeus shield and swift flourish, this is gonna be a baller run lol
ivory turtle
Really?? Sad
It was the best Hermes boon on offer, everything else was a nothing burger
It was epic at least
tight basin
Really?? Sad
swift flourish on zeus just lets you throw it out faster, it doesn't like hit faster
tight basin
lmao yeah unfortunate
analog mauve
surely it works well with other aspects and weapons
tight basin
clockets like swift flourish i believe
other than that i think it's all cringe
swift strike on cshot shields is generally good
not like great but it's funny
analog mauve
swift florish chiron 
tight basin
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
chrome solar
fun beowulf build?
eager flint
swift strike world splitter is baller
dapper harness
fun beowulf build?
the usual build is flood fare, arti attk then mirage shot
you could try dio cast with stygian soul
and go for stones or +casts from chaos or else the run will be pretty unfun
bronze wharf
Is it just skill issue or is the king/tiny vermin boss way too strong?
fought him a few times with different builds each and it always ended up costing me one or two death defiance. Got the miror maxed out and i dont think my builds suck either.
was around 1-4 heat with no buffs to enemies.
valid dagger
Is it just skill issue or is the king/tiny vermin boss way too strong?
It's likely a skill issue. It's very rare to encounter him so you probably arent that familiar with the fight, it can get messy quick but it's not hard.
valid dagger
Yea it has quite a bit but the moveset is very predictable. If you have a good build you'll be chunking through the hp before it gets too messy. The more you encounter him the easier it'll get. Also beware of pact options that nerf Zag, some of them can be the reason this fight (and other encounters) are hard. Generally you want a mix of stuff that buffs enemies and nerfs zag. Dont focus on one or the other
bronze wharf
my main problem is that its completely out of line with the dificulty of "normal" chambers
lol
thats a harsh language filter for a pg13 game
valid dagger
I mean some styx minibosses can be very hard to deal with aswell
It might be harder than the rest but would say it's balanced overall as long as you're not going for insane heat
eager flint
ngl I never understood Tony's patterns, I'm mostly winging it and hoping
I don't get him often, that's maybe why. I don't think I got him once since starting playing 32+ heat
south sonnet
clockets like swift flourish i believe
gy spin build heroic swift funny
eager flint
btw I never heard anyone talk about World Splitter Zagsword, I have no doubt it sucks atvl compared to ME, but I wanted to know what's the community analysis of that build ?
Because for my sanity I swore off ME builds, and World Splitter is so much fun on zagsword
eager flint
Fair, I dislike flurry slash precisely because it makes dash strikes weird
analog mauve
I'm a fan of holding attack
eager flint
Based
sullen flame
what boons should I be using with arthur?
proper furnace
Aphro attack
proper furnace
No
If you want a duo take zeus call for aphro-zeus
Then you can fit any other zeus support boon you find
sullen flame
gotcha
polar python
I like Artemis special, since then you can get Hunter's Mark and get huge crits.
Needs a bit of planning for bosses since you can't use Hunter's Mark with only 1 enemy, but Dad's skulls and summons count.
analog mauve
doesnt hunters mark only proc if you crit in the first place
valid dagger
Yes
polar python
Hence taking Artemis for the special.
You just use that to proc Hunter's Mark
And take Pressure Points if you can, obviously.
ivory turtle
Is twin, triple or perfect shot a better take for Rama?? My other hammer is relentless lol
eager flint
twin
ivory turtle
Ty fam :D
eager flint
iirc it's something like twin>point blank>triple>explosive or something like that
tight basin
twin is safer considering the slower charge up time
eager flint
but twin is way first
tight basin
iirc it's something like twin>point blank>triple>explosive or something like tha...
explosive should not be considered in the list ever lmao
eager flint
hey
tight basin
you missed perfect also lmao
south sonnet
big number funny
eager flint
don't hate on my boy explosive rama
potent tree
Triple Explosive Rama is bae!
eager flint
it's so funny to make the bow a melee weapon
tight basin
considering how often you can actually charge it
triple is already melee lmao
and twin kinda
twin shot bow is basically like spear range lmao
eager flint
nah when I say "melee" I mean "no charge at all"
you just keep the attack button long enough for the shot to, like, be shot
Clunky ? Totally. Good ? Mid. Fun ? So much
but in any case twin is dummy on rama
ivory turtle
I just got splitting headache + heart rend + low tolerance
eager flint
spicy
ivory turtle
Beautiful joy
tight basin
splitting headache or heart rend is probably the only practical things on rama lmao
ivory turtle
I'm almost tempted to try it lol
But also I don't hate myself that much
K I'm going for shattered shackle Arthur for the heck of it, is fated authority the better pick?
I started without it on accident and I've learned that yes it indeed is
vagrant crane
K I'm going for shattered shackle Arthur for the heck of it, is fated authority ...
no
if you ever want to know the answer to the question “is fated authority the better pick”
the answer is no
ivory turtle
I guess I should say I'm trying to get the no Olympian dialogue
vagrant crane
I guess I should say I'm trying to get the no Olympian dialogue
still
on boonless runs everyone uses pers
ivory turtle
Wait is it because you can purge more boons with persuasion?
vagrant crane
Wait is it because you can purge more boons with persuasion?
its so u dont get forced into using a boon
south sonnet
Three word horror story
it does somewhat work if you you can pull off special dashes
ivory turtle
That sounds so incredibly annoying though lol
eager flint
still
My sibling in Zeus, boonless and special dialogue don't have the same requirements
Authority is better if you just want the dialogue
polar python
The worst bit about that run is picking something up in Styx and not being able to sell it before Dad.
You typically want to take a boon early and leave non-boon doors until the end and hope you get a chance to purge on the way.
If you have 2 non-boon doors, take them first, but don't get a 2-sack, you are guaranteed to fail.
So being able to roll doors is really really useful there.
It also depends if the run is "get the special dialogue from Dad" or "don't use anything empowered by a boon".
The latter means you just have to stop using cast if you pick up a boon for it, until you can sell it again.
ivory turtle
Gah I got a boon before the sack 😭😔😭
I'm gonna go for the other chambers and PRAY for a well of purging
I didn't get one 😭😭😭😭😭
molten imp
Does anyone find they ignore their special? The only special I built up as a new player was trippy shot, which worked well for that run. As I gain some progression I notice that I am favoring attack and cast.
lean hornet
It really depends on the weapon
You absolutely use it for guan yu and Zeus
And most rail
And can ignore it mostly on zagshield
Don’t use it much on Hera either
vagrant crane
trippy shot is not a special
eager flint
yeah, trippy shot is a cast
are you talking about cast or special ?
fwiw, both are often widely useful but situational
Except that special can vary between weapons
for some it's extremely important (rail, nemesis, rama) and for some you're better of unbinding it from your controller (zagshield, zagshield from wish (chaos), half the bows)
tight basin
Does anyone find they ignore their special? The only special I built up as a new...
trippy shot is dionysus' cast lmao but also on the second point, the special can be useless on some stuff
like half the stuff at least lmao
eager flint
lemme think
zag,hades spear without exploding launcher
zagshield, chaoshield, beowulf (although beo has more niche cases where it can be useful early)
zagbow, herabow
talos lol
and that's it
thankfully, most weapons have a useful special
though half a dozen where it sucks is pretty bad wrt design and balance
tight basin
arthur at heat/speed doesn't really use special lmao but yeah
i mean tbf like, bow special for zag bow and hera was never meant to be good
vagrant crane
chiron
tight basin
shh
i think it's more of a "bad aspect design" thing if the special was meant to be good for the aspect but ends up not being used or good lmao
zag spear, chaos, and talos all kinda fall into this
chiron if you hate it
vagrant crane
and chiron
south sonnet
just rama
budget delta chamber>>>>>>>>churen
digital island
Recently got sword of Arthur and completely regret it. What is this Arthur ares build y’all keep talking about?
vagrant crane
Recently got sword of Arthur and completely regret it. What is this Arthur ares ...
an arthur ares build sounds awful
of course you’ll regret arthur
errant narwhal
that sounds like, not a good time
digital island
Ikr
errant narwhal
arthur is my favorite sword aspect 
vagrant crane
sure but it also is very bad
digital island
I’ll stick to Chiron
vagrant crane
🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
errant narwhal
see
digital island
In aspect of Chiron we trust
vagrant crane
i dont like this bad aspect, instead i shall use this even worse aspect
potent tree
jazz got juked
vagrant crane
it is one of the worst pieces of junk aspect in the game
digital island
Nah
vagrant crane
grammar didnt work but its ok
but anyways chiron is truly awful and a bottom 2 aspect
digital island
You’ve clearly never done a Chiron build with Artemis on special
errant narwhal
jazz, you kind of focus really heavily on high heat and speedrunning and therefore the game's "meta", but it's like fine if people just play things they like lol.
vagrant crane
You’ve clearly never done a Chiron build with Artemis on special
🗿
potent tree
Chiron's special, which is its defining feature, is slow and weak and only becomes serviceable with two specific hammers. Plus its animation lock leaves you hecking vulnerable, and it doesn't even have much CC
vagrant crane
turns out i am actually inexperienced now
potent tree
Inexperienced and bad WR-holding player jazz
digital island
Yeah prolly
Coming from the guy with a record of nine heat
Not to flex or anything
vagrant crane
bowing down to my new overlord
digital island
I would say recently I’ve been leaning to Hera instead
But then the special is terrible
vagrant crane
well yeah
potent tree
Yep! Hera's all about the cast-loading attacks
The hidden bow aspect is the only bow that really benefits from its special
digital island
What about Chiron 
potent tree
Chiron's special, which is its defining feature, is slow and weak and only becomes serviceable with two specific hammers. Plus its animation lock leaves you hecking vulnerable, and it doesn't even have any CC 
digital island
Doesn’t leave you too vulnerable
If your not right up in their face
And if you are
It’s excellent for retreating
Which I never need to do because I’m too good
Ofc
digital island
What do you suggest I use
vagrant crane
a different aspect
potent tree
All the other bows are nice, especially Rama and Hera. Zagbow's nice and simple
digital island
Wait
potent tree
You're aware that you want to be constantly dash-striking with bows, right?
vagrant crane
well yeah
zagbow is pretty decent
chiron is abhorrent garbage that i wouldnt touch with a 5 foot pole
potent tree
Zagbow's crits are pretty nice, honestly
digital island
Or aspect of nemesis
wind glen
does the hermes attack speed boon affect bull rushes
dapper harness
nope
frozen latch
swift strike affect putting the shield up animation
epic swift strike with sudden rush
dapper harness
i feel like sudden rush here is doing more work than swift
frozen latch
sudden rush is the cshot reach further faster, not the blocking animation
eager flint
Is there a niche for drunken dash ? It deals so little damage, while also locking you out of any other hangover, I don't see a way to make it useful
only thing I can think of is like using it for splitting headache
vagrant crane
Is there a niche for drunken dash ? It deals so little damage, while also lockin...
no
proper furnace
I've used it to open black out on dio beo for the funny but not really a good use
eager flint
fair enough
south sonnet
Is there a niche for drunken dash ? It deals so little damage, while also lockin...
its great for:
opening boons
removing it from the pool
free money
ivory turtle
Watch me do a Gilgamesh drunken dash focused build
Wait I forgot to turn off fated authority
You know what this is a silly meme run who cares
grand zenith
Watch me do a Gilgamesh drunken dash focused build
Based
ivory turtle
Epic greatest reflex pog
proper furnace
Wait I forgot to turn off fated authority
I mean if you wanna meme authority def works
Just sell any other boons and keep rolling poms
ivory turtle
This is... Working
That was genuinely the best time I've had in a while
I did it, check out #h1-victory-boasting
tight basin
This is... Working
I mean in all fairness, it's not like hangover is bad lol
The reason nasty dash is bad is because it starts off so low and you'd have to pour more poms into it
And you can't take a stronger hangover source
If you do nasty dash only on gilga and pour all your poms into it, it's still gonna be decent lmao
ivory turtle
Heart agree. It requires way too much investment to be even remotely viable
tight basin
At least it's one of the dashes that can scale damage well
Like technically speaking it's a better dash for dash only lmao
ivory turtle
That is true since it increases by one every single pom
I do like how that build essentially turns you into a permanent mini Dio call
But I 100% see what you mean, practically any other boon is going to be better at keeping up and maintaining hangover
tight basin
Yeah for dash only it's like top half
Tidal, thunder, and blade are all pretty good
Blade doesn't have scaling but it's surprisingly strong
You get like engulfing lmao
eager flint
I hate that the hitbox of blade dash is so small at start that you can dash through an enemy and back and don't hit them
south sonnet
just use hunting blades
south sonnet
sounds like you need the bigger rifts boon
black metal
eager flint
Yeah black metal makes it work
Though tbh the main reason I don't take blade dash is not the hitbox or damage or boons opening, it's because I can't stand the noise it makes
I always think it's a chaos gate or something
tight basin
the reason i dont take blade dash is because i dont want to open curse of drowning on beo lmao
tbh on other aspects i'd take it tho if i didn't start tidal
polar python
Does shared suffering crit everyone if the target gets a crit?
uneven basalt
Technically yes since they get a percentage of the damage done
polar python
And that's post crit calculation.
Fair enough
Can they also crit themselves (e.g. via PP?)
I'm assuming no
uneven basalt
Well if any damage can crit then it should
But I also don’t think it does
You could test that
proper furnace
If you mean the shared suffering dmg itself nah
polar python
Fair enough
proper furnace
Weirdly enough explosive return also can't crit
uneven basalt
If hunters marked people get crit over shared suffering then pp should also work
Oh
Nvm
proper furnace
Or at least not with arti special
proper furnace
If hunters marked people get crit over shared suffering then pp should also work
Pp and mark are slighty different
Mark is a debuff for enemies
So it can make it so traps can crit for example
Or Than during an encounter mid run with him
uneven basalt
Wait than can do even more damage than usual?
proper furnace
With mark he can crit for like 17k dmg lmfao
uneven basalt
New idea let’s just do a run that helps than as best as possible
proper furnace
If than encounter works like his summon version you want exposed from athena
Than can backstab
(Haelian has a vid on it)
ivory turtle
Beep boop idk what to run
Wait what about... Dio flourish Zeus shield
That'll be fun
grand zenith
That'll be fun
Indeed.
ivory turtle
Ok so I need to go on a run with forced overtime, routine inspection and approval process for the list. I kinda want to get it all over with at once. Y'all have any tips?
tight basin
Ok so I need to go on a run with forced overtime, routine inspection and approva...
just do hestia lmao
very boon minimal
eris or rama work too
ivory turtle
just do hestia lmao
OOOH THATS AN IDEA
storm willow
If anyone has any ideas on what a good build for hell mode with stygius (aspect of posiedon) I am all ears because I can't keep dying like this rip
south sonnet
If anyone has any ideas on what a good build for hell mode with stygius (aspect ...
aph cast+exit wounds=profit
flurry cast is generally garbage, but in this situation i think its ok.
tight basin
lightning phalanx or just ME for pos sword
it being hell mode doesn't really change what build you take lmao
storm willow
Will try phalanx. Was going for a zeus/posiedon cast + special with divine dash before this.
arctic oyster
What’s the best build for any sword and fist
valid dagger
What’s the best build for any sword and fist
For fists you cant go wrong with Merciful End. For swords it varies a bit because, for Zag and Nem you can do ME, for Poseidon you can do Phalanx + LP and on Arthur you can just play whatever the game gives you and try to go for external damage sources like Call with smoldering air or something
There is no best for all scenarios
arctic oyster
me is merciful end ye?
proper furnace
Yeah
south sonnet
i like zap fists a bit more
brisk grail
So, I would like to know some builds for Lucifer's aspect, I really enjoy playing with it but I'm not sure what would pair well with it. He also has a lot of different upgrades different from the regular rails so I would also like to hear people's opinions about those.
tight basin
super soaker is just the normal luci build but with extra steps
just do lightning strike, some % special, and tidal dash
standard rail/eris build
get triple bomb for your hammer and nuke everything
all your damage is coming off the special, but lightning strike + jolted is also great damage
brisk grail
Pretty straight forward.
Honestly, every time I get triple bomb from hammer and a good boon for the special seems like it's pretty much gg at that point
tight basin
it's especially so on luci
you can pretty consistently get a sub10 sec furies fight with triple bomb luci
assuming max level luci
you might not even need a special boon for that tbh but i dont really remember
brisk grail
Btw, I'm about to follow your guide for 32 heat right now @tight basin, might be jumping the gun here since I just cleared 16heat but I'm sure I'll figure it out.
tight basin
nah you'll be fine
i saw someone go from 8 to 32
and then to 40
so it's totally doable with the right guidance
brisk grail
Well, I just got a hammer and triple bomb right of the start so I'm feeling good already.
brisk grail
i saw someone go from 8 to 32
Funny coincidence, that's where I decided that I had enough practice doing bounties and went to heat 16.
tight basin
if you're doing luci at 32, be wary of not holding down the attack button too much lmao
luci is known to be one of those aspects where you die fast/a lot
brisk grail
Yeah, that's one of the peculiarities of rail. For me it's not really just a Luci problem, on Eris sometimes I spammed the attack so fast that I didn't auto reload lol.
tight basin
true all rails except hestia can be like that lmao
south sonnet
i saw someone go from 8 to 32
i did 10->32->41->45
41 was because i forgot to remove 1 heat
brisk grail
My fault for forgetting stubborn defiance (no healing is absolutely brutal), managed to get to Hades' last phase and he killed me right before Meg killed him, I know it's probably pretty good for a first attempt but I'm still freaking mad since I feel like I got really lucky with the boons I got.
I was going to post a screenshot of my attempt but I just realized that this channel doesn't allow that.
proper furnace
you can use embeds
so post in another server and copy img link
or use imgur/similar sites
proper furnace
fully loaded lmao
brisk grail
Well, thinking back on it, I might have only got to the Styx due to death defience since Asterius managed to take 2 out of me and the satyrs took the other.
brisk grail
fully loaded lmao
I still needed it for the prophecy and the other options didn't look better.
tight basin
you still have high confidence on btw
thick skin would've been better considering no recovery lmao
brisk grail
True, didn't notice that until I started, I was too focused on following a different rail guide.
brisk grail
yep
Well, it was a first attempt anyway, no use raging over it anymore than I already did. 
I was concerned about the time constraint at first, especially when I only got Tarturus done with 1min to spare, but it was very doable.
tight basin
tartarus taking forever is pretty standard
long biome and bad spawns happens
and missing the midshop is surprisingly common
brisk grail
I actively avoided the shop since I couldn't buy anything.
tight basin
might be the downfall here lmao
brisk grail
Even though it sometimes gets me killed lol
I did my best to avoid any gemstones or darkness tbf.
tight basin
i'd only skip midshop if the time is good and the other door is actually important
brisk grail
I also found Sisyphus, Eurydice and Patroclus all on the same run which was surprising.
tight basin
like another god or maybe even a pom if i need it
south sonnet
you also skip midshop if its a god you dont want
brisk grail
Thankfully I didn't really ran into anyone I didn't want to meet.
I might have avoided Demeter once in Tartarus but besides that, most of them were pretty easy choices.
covert seal
What goes with guan yu well?
south sonnet
What goes with guan yu well?
you can either go with an attack, dashstrike, or special build
attack: hope for quick/massive/flaring spin(in order of importance). youll want aph on attack, and then just spam spin
special: hope for charged skewer. get aph/art on special, and spam charged specials
dash strike: hope for serrated point, have aph/art on attack and hunter/divine dash
the special is more optimal, though the attack in my opinion is more fun and better for people who get hit often
proper furnace
Press special to win
ivory turtle
Oof, do I take epic Arty call or support fire with this build
Both are epic
I'll take... support fire I suppose
vagrant crane
Oof, do I take epic Arty call or support fire with this build
support fire assuming its not hestia
well
even if it is hestia
arty call sux
ivory turtle
This is Eris lol
vagrant crane
yeah
potent tree
Support Fire is pretty nice to have on Eris
ivory turtle
Oh I also got RD with hyper sprint (common RD tho)
Everything is being handed to me on a silver platter lol
I genuinely did not realize how broken aphro clockets are
I'd heard people singing its praises before obviously but it's... Stupidly good
south sonnet
hyper delivery dio beo better
ivory turtle
Wait fr? Is this dependent on getting mirage shot? Never tried that build before
south sonnet
Wait fr? Is this dependent on getting mirage shot? Never tried that build before
not really, but its still a massive power spike
the main idea of dio beo is stacking poms, since theres a bug where the poms give double the damage of whats shown
ivory turtle
Oh right I heard of that
south sonnet
so 1 pom is supposed to give +60 damage(100->160), but it instead gives 120 damage
just dont get ice wine, as that ruins mirage shot
ivory turtle
Does that show up after the pom is applied btw?
ivory turtle
Like if you look at your boons does it show you the right damage?
vagrant crane
Like if you look at your boons does it show you the right damage?
no
and then you need good poms
ivory turtle
Oh lol
south sonnet
eh i find 1 stone to be acceptable
vagrant crane
2 stones is still bad\
south sonnet
its fine, weaker than normal flood beo but i find it acceptable
ivory turtle
I have started a war
vagrant crane
whats the point if its weaker than flood
ivory turtle
And I'm guessing you go stygian?
vagrant crane
yes
ivory turtle
K so out of curiosity I'm doing the pom Dio beo run... Is charged shot the best pick for a hammer? I also have dashing flight and unyielding defense on offer
potent tree
Shields hecking love Charged Shot. It's one of the best hammers in the game bar none
ivory turtle
I saw somewhere online that you can do a special build? Can that even,,, work?
tight basin
charged flight also used to be 400% instead of 200% so like
that's why a special build used to exist lmao
tight basin
dashing flight doesn't fix the problem of beo special having a long ass wind time
you need charged flight first
south sonnet
dashing's a cope hammer i think
tight basin
yeah because your damage still sucks but at least you get it back faster
ivory turtle
hyper delivery dio beo better
K having done the two I think Eris aphro clockets is far more reliably broken, but this was nuts too
fleet glacier
sword is da worse weapon right?
vagrant crane
no
polar python
Which one? But also, still no.
ivory turtle
sword is da worse weapon right?
Correct me if I'm wrong but that distinction probably belongs to zag spear
fleet glacier
Correct me if I'm wrong but that distinction probably belongs to zag spear
Nah beowolf is okay and achillies is solid right
Overal sword is da worse I think
potent tree
Huh! I was thinking spear, but you are probably right!
ivory turtle
I'm not an authority on this, but Gilgamesh isn't great, Talos's whole gimmick is extremely inconsistent, Zag fists give you dodge which is cool but that's about it. Demeter fists are probably the best fist aspect, and it's just not as versatile as what most other weapons have to offer
Meanwhile, Nemesis and Poseidon sword both have pretty established niches and I personally have a soft spot for Arthur lol
ivory turtle
Correct me if I'm wrong but that distinction probably belongs to zag spear
This was talking about specific aspects and I'm pretty sure Zag spear takes the cake for that
potent tree
Zagspear's kinda fun with Exploding Launcher and Charged Skewer at least!
ivory turtle
You have a point there actually lol
That's really all that it's got though; I'd assume you kinda have to get those two hammers for it to be remotely playable
south sonnet
Zagspear's kinda fun with Exploding Launcher and Charged Skewer at least!
i have not seen exploding launcher once, its my last prophecy
ivory turtle
i have not seen exploding launcher once, its my last prophecy
DUDE YOURE MISSING OUT
south sonnet
and yes i do know about gy and achilles locking it
ive done like 5 hades runs
0 launcher
this is like my hunting blades and smair luck
ivory turtle
ive done like 5 hades runs
tight basin
Nah beowolf is okay and achillies is solid right
beo being "okay" is a large understatement lmao
ivory turtle
beo being "okay" is a large understatement lmao
Yeah it's uhhhhhhhhh broken lol
south sonnet
beo being "okay" is a large understatement lmao
its okay if youre not glitching or cshot
tight basin
without cshot it's still great
and without mirage bug it's still strong as hell
like
past 50 you dont take cshot
and past 40 you dont go for mirage
if we're excluding cshot then zag shield sucks
fleet glacier
Only good zag aspect is bow right
ivory turtle
Zag rail can work
ivory turtle
But it's build specific
tight basin
zag fist is usable
south sonnet
everything is good besides chiron, and zagbow is mid
oh read that wrong woops
tight basin
zag rail can be played as budget eris or spread fire
but still good
oh zag shield is great
south sonnet
zag fist plume is funny
ivory turtle
Cuz the dash attack bonus is nice right?
tight basin
for what
ivory turtle
On zag shield
south sonnet
mainly just cshot, but zagshield is decent without it
tight basin
yeah it's something
ivory turtle
I can't remember zag shield boost
south sonnet
i c(shot)
tight basin
but that does hit more breakpoints and is a good base damage buff
south sonnet
:zagdevious:
ivory turtle
K but zag spear is the worst aspect out there right
tight basin
gilga exists
south sonnet
:zagdevious:
tight basin
zag spear isn't that horrendous since it still gets flurry jab
if anything hades spear is worse than it lmao
south sonnet
gilg dash is fine for bosses/styx
tight basin
i mean the issue is just everywhere
ivory turtle
if anything hades spear is worse than it lmao
B-but big spin go brrrr
Quick + massive Hades is the funniest thing in the game imo lol
vagrant crane
Correct me if I'm wrong but that distinction probably belongs to zag spear
not that for sure
the worst aspect is gilga without a doubt
and the worst weapon is fists
ivory turtle
the worst aspect is gilga without a doubt
Worse than zag spear??
south sonnet
Quick + massive Hades is the funniest thing in the game imo lol
quick massive mettle gy is much funnier imo
south sonnet
or quick flaring
ivory turtle
quick massive mettle gy is much funnier imo
Wait unshakable mettle has a use???
south sonnet
its just for the 10% and stun so you dont get potted
ivory turtle
its just for the 10% and stun so you dont get potted
Out of curiosity, is it the same kind of effect as Sturdy but without the damage reduction?
south sonnet
idk, i think its just for stun stuns like dad pot and dad pot
ivory turtle
you can literally just get flurry
... But Achilles can too right? My point is that anything zag spear can do literally any other spear aspect does better
south sonnet
achilles is worse special spam
ivory turtle
zagspear exploding launcher is unique
Yeah that's a good point lol
vagrant crane
bad achilles is still way better than gilga
ivory turtle
Is it primarily the bad attack speed on gilga that makes it so bad?
vagrant crane
and the bad base damage
and the weird dashes
and the fact that everything has a weird delay
south sonnet
Idk, I think I just really like Maim
budget gy
ivory turtle
The base damage is like 60 on attack though, right?
wait the dash strikes are pretty insulting tho and that's the most important part nvm
ivory turtle
~~budget gy~~
Ehhhh idk. If we're just talking maim and not gilga on the whole, I'd personally prefer taking 50% more damage, dealing more and the 400 boom at the end over losing half of my max HP and being able to heal a little. that said gy is a much better aspect lol
brisk grail
Just remembered a question I had, does the "the next two attacks after the shield special hits do 80% more dmg" work well with the Zeus aspect or not?
proper furnace
you need to catch the shield for the buff to apply
bold wadi
i have a question
if I ll go for ME on nem should I start with athena keepsake for special and dash or ares for attack? (and what else should I get for oter duo boons?)
also feel free to mention me since i d prefer that rather than checking the chat
but ig i ll stick to artemis for attack on nem and aphrodite on special i guess
uneven basalt
You’d want epic ares attack first
tight basin
if I ll go for ME on nem should I start with athena keepsake for special and das...
start ares keepsake because you want to be able to guarantee a good rarity on the doom attack
you'll also get early poms on it, which would give you more damage overall
it'll also be a faster run in general if you care about that since your tartarus would actually have good damage lmao
if you do manage to get the full build early enough, the secondary duo you want would be deadly reversal
artemis cast and hope you get the right duo
if you really want, you can do curse of drowning instead with poseidon cast but it's a bit funky
bold wadi
artemis cast and hope you get the right duo
oh so Ig ares attack first thing, then special and/or dash athena and artemis cast for the duo boons ME and dealy reversal
tight basin
it's special and dash, not and/or
the dash doesnt open the duo, but you still need the dash for the build to function
i would also just not take arty cast if you dont have ME yet
bold wadi
if you really want, you can do curse of drowning instead with poseidon cast but ...
good to know ig but i ll probably go for deadly reversal ofc
tight basin
because you need ME more than deadly reversal
bold wadi
rn im doing an artemis attack run so i ll be doing Me after
tight basin
deadly reversal is much much less important than ME
bold wadi
because you need ME more than deadly reversal
ofc
bold wadi
it's special __and__ dash, not and/or
the dash doesnt open the duo, but you stil...
oh so basically I need the special so i can get the duo boon but the dash is the main thing to activate it, got it
tight basin
yeah
bold wadi
you can check prereqs in the codex
yep ik
bold wadi
what are you gonna do ME on btw
Nem i think
tight basin
aight fair enough
bold wadi
i m pretty sure there was an aspect of fists but I forgot which aspect i can do
tight basin
if it was on fists or zeus shield you could technically get away with not using the dash by doing a dash strike and dash upper in the same dash lmao
zeus shield just straight up doesnt need the dash at all but it's nice to have if you need it
bold wadi
zeus shield just straight up doesnt need the dash at all but it's nice to have i...
or to have it as more security i guess
i wonder what builds go with shield of chaos tho
tight basin
shield is just aspect of charged shot unironically
bold wadi
bc i beat the game a bunch of times with shield of chaos but i forgo what build i went for
tight basin
get a good attack hammer and smack everyone with it
chaos aspect, ignore the special
bold wadi
get a good attack hammer and smack everyone with it
true
tight basin
zeus shield, throw on zeus special and get static discharge and win
beo is abuse mirage shot bug
bold wadi
chaos aspect, ignore the special
oh yeah when i beat the game i think i went for doom special (with low lvl chaos shield)
tight basin
classic lmao
bold wadi
zeus shield, throw on zeus special and get static discharge and win
true but i dont have zeus shield lol
tight basin
fair
bold wadi
and also for the aspect at the gun (the one where if u manually relaod it does more dmg) im guessing i just go for chaos for crit chance/ overall dmg and artemis attack?
tight basin
mmm more no than yes lmao
you have the right idea but the problem is like
you can't guarantee chaos in runs
so you're better off with aphrodite attack for consistency
also with artemis attack, if you dont have extra chaos damage, 85% of the time you dont have enough damage and 15% of the time you overkill something
against like bosses it'll average out fine, but in normal rooms it'll be a pain in the ass
bold wadi
you can't guarantee chaos in runs
true
tight basin
but if you dont start with an attack boon and you get lucky enough to get good chaos boons then like
sure you can take artemis attack lmao
bold wadi
also with artemis attack, if you dont have extra chaos damage, 85% of the time y...
yeah that happened lol
tight basin
from a speedrunning perspective, if you get 130% total additive, then you can take artemis attack since you'll still 1 shot every aspho enemy or something along those lines
bold wadi
against like bosses it'll average out fine, but in normal rooms it'll be a pain ...
yea its a pain in the ass either spam with no reload or like 2 or 3 reloads per enemies maybe even miss sometimes (i play mouse and keyboard)
tight basin
and like i get that not everyone speedruns, but it's more of like an example
tight basin
yea its a pain in the ass either spam with no reload or like 2 or 3 reloads per ...
turn off aim at cursor and let autoaim do the work for you
you can still aim the special with your mouse
bold wadi
turn off aim at cursor and let autoaim do the work for you
i ve never tried that
tight basin
but the autoaim attack is pretty decent
bold wadi
and actually never thought that was an option
tight basin
same lmao i learned that from others here
but yeah in casual runs, you'll almost never take artemis attack on hestia because you generally want to start with an attack boon, and aphrodite is the safest
bold wadi
but the autoaim attack is pretty decent
i ll try it this run bc its not a good run anyway so im not risking anything lol
and then will see
tight basin
and even if you do get like hella chaos buffs, aphrodite attack is still good lmao
tight basin
i ll try it this run bc its not a good run anyway so im not risking anything lol
well it's more of a rail thing
bold wadi
but yeah in casual runs, you'll almost never take artemis attack on hestia becau...
and so im guessing im starting with aphrodite keepsake?
tight basin
it's good for rails but like not great on anything else lmao
maybe bows but i've never tried
tight basin
and so im guessing im starting with aphrodite keepsake?
yeah
bold wadi
well it's more of a rail thing
yeah or ranged weapons in general like bow
bold wadi
it's good for rails but like not great on anything else lmao
then i ll probably only try on rails
and maybe bow ig
tight basin
yeah its worth a shot on bow tbh i've never tried it lmao
from what i've heard it's pretty cursed tho
since you have to aim with wasd really
lean hornet
The only place you absolutely need it is mirage beo
tight basin
arty attack?
lean hornet
Ye
tight basin
nemesis and zag bow
lean hornet
Nem already has crit
tight basin
yeah and
more crit chance is good lmao
great for heart rend and deadly reversal
ngl i'd say arty attack is necessary for deadly reversal nem
deflecting on the attack is much harder than on the special
bold wadi
since you have to aim with wasd really
oh 💀
tight basin
i mean you aim with wasd but it'll still snap onto targets lmao but yeah it's still cursed
i think some speedrunner tried to do that with hera but idk how well that turned out
vagrant crane
yeah
bold wadi
ngl i'd say arty attack is necessary for deadly reversal nem
well for me at least im going for artemis attack and artemis special for the heart rend but it could also work having deadly reversal without heart rend (aka athena on special and dash and artemis on attack)
tight basin
i mean yeah that's kinda my main point lmao
deadly reversal nem is pretty decent
the fun part about starting with artemis is that you can branch out into either build
which could lead to earlier duos since in tartarus you now have like a 1/4 chance of seeing the god you want lmao
could be 3/8 if you want tidal dash i guess but the point is getting an earlier duo and pos isn't useful for that lmao
bold wadi
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184217348853465139/20231212213626_1.jpg?ex=658b2b59&is=6578b659&hm=bea1b17e2f4a8b855f22b3deb85426fd327b9508dfd45942e30367b214e02fbc& these are the boons i have rn (i have done no chambers in asphodel for now so u can consider this full tarturus) and I still dont have artemis attack 💀
bold wadi
the fun part about starting with artemis is that you can branch out into either ...
but yeah tru
tight basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184217348853465139/20...
ngl that looks fine lmao
although did you keep the artemis keepsake going into asphodel lmao
bold wadi
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184217348853465139/20...
to clear up the rare crop is affecting the call and the chaos boon
bold wadi
although did you keep the artemis keepsake going into asphodel lmao
for incase i get attack to be higher rarity
bold wadi
you also dont have rare crop there
i think i did but maybe im tripping i guess
bold wadi
rare crop can't hit chaos
alr
tight basin
it's definitely not there lmao there's no rare crop icon
bold wadi
it's definitely not there lmao there's no rare crop icon
i guess
i got artemis attack from charon's shop
but its common 💀
tight basin
i mean
you dont take arty attack for the rarity
you take it for the crit lmao
and rarity doesnt change crit rate
bold wadi
tight basin
yeah more damage is nice but that's the least important part of arty attack
bold wadi
yeah more damage is nice but that's the least important part of arty attack
i guess
tight basin
yeah but that's what heart rend is for lmao
bold wadi
and rarity doesnt change crit rate
yeah ik
tight basin
assuming you get it
bold wadi
assuming you get it
i will probably
i only needed the attack which I now have
and from the shop i got hermes's hyper sprint if that matters
tight basin
i only needed the attack which I now have
but also that's not a guarantee lmao i've had a duo not show up despite going through like 7 menus
that's with eury's nectar and gods legacy
tight basin
lmao it do be like that
just take mirage shot
that way the next duo you see will be heart rend at least
or well
might be sweet nectar
but it's out of the pool lmao
bold wadi
just take mirage shot
i have no cast 💀
tight basin
yeah but if you take it you wont see it again
which is the main point of taking it
unless you wanna take tidal dash, which is honestly pretty good lmao
bold wadi
unless you wanna take tidal dash, which is honestly pretty good lmao
yeah but hunter dash >>>
bold wadi
yeah but if you take it you wont see it again
true i guess
tight basin
yeah but hunter dash >>>
ngl tidal dash might be better here
if you get a few more poms at least
bold wadi
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184219811891384340/20...
typhon's fury sounds the most useless of the 3
tight basin
yeah def
bold wadi
ngl tidal dash might be better here
yeah but i wont use it as much as hunter s dash
alr the duo boon it is
tight basin
you literally dash strike, and tidal dash damages them lmao
it will get use out of it whether you want to or not
it's probably more damage than hunters dash tbh
bold wadi
you literally dash strike, and tidal dash damages them lmao
yeah im thinking that since it gives 70% more dmg to the dash strike (the hunter's dash)
but maybe
tho in this case it seems pretty strong so if it ain't broke dont fix it
tight basin
a lot of speedruns (including nemesis runs) start tidal dash for a reason lmao
fair
hunters dash is still good
but tidal dash is just better generally lmao
bold wadi
abt to fight lernie pog
bold wadi
but tidal dash is just better generally lmao
yeah ofc
as an overall dash yes
i got heart rend
ez
ivory turtle
I'm shocked at how good tempest flourish is on Zeus
tight basin
i mean that run had countless other things that made it strong
ivory turtle
I thought it would be trash bc it knocks enemies out of it and it's a percentage boon on a special that likes flat damage
But it... kinda works
ivory turtle
i mean that run had countless other things that made it strong
Yeah granted
tight basin
rd, sea storm, jolted, splitting
that's where the dps is coming from not the raw % of tempest flourish lmao
ivory turtle
Funnily enough I got like 90% of that in styx
Except for splitting
Performed MUCH better than expected tho even without a lot of the combo pieces
I will admit that it was primarily just really really good RNG and synergy but
(also Poseidon call with sea storm is broken lol)
It's also REALLY good at getting slam damage consistently; if you throw it just right enemies get stuck between the special and the wall and they pinball to death
It's honestly a really funny build
shrewd isle
general question but how do yall hit hades consistently with meg
i haven't been able to do that at all in my past few runs 💀
ive been dropping it at the very start of the second phase but it just pops over zag for some reason
potent tree
Speedrunners pop the call the moment they get inputs back at the start of the fight
shrewd isle
like when the fight first starts?
ive tried that sometimes he just darknesses first thing
vagrant crane
ive tried that sometimes he just darknesses first thing
he cannot darkness fast enough to dodge meg
vagrant crane
you cant go wrong by spamming 1 going into the arena
vagrant crane
or use this setup https://youtu.be/_a_n1mV7J1o?si=eEjYA5mpMhApXZ4Z&t=945
shrewd isle
he cannot darkness fast enough to dodge meg
oh
lmao i guess i wasnt spamming fast enough
lasers/pot summon is nice idea too
thanks 🙏
analog mauve
or use this setup https://youtu.be/_a_n1mV7J1o?si=eEjYA5mpMhApXZ4Z&t=945
i would have taken 30 seconds ffor those last 5 seconds
vagrant crane
idk man
tight basin
Why use it there
because for speed, the hard part is all of phase 1
because of the potential for darkness
but in like normal or heat runs i'd still do it off the start because it's more consistent and easier to hit
analog mauve
i dont think theyre doing speed
bold wadi
so I was thinking of trying a cast run
but I only have a good level on the spear
soo is the hera bow any good on lvl 1 (since i could unlock it if i want) or should I jsut save up and use the hera bow after i upgrade it to some lvl?
also I could go for a shield of chaos since I have it at lvl 3 run but i have no idea what I should go for tbh
potent tree
You can use Hera without upgrading it very much, especially if you get good at nuking targets or if you get Quick Reload from Hermes
bold wadi
You can use Hera without upgrading it very much, especially if you get good at n...
I see
and should I go for poseidon cast or which cast?
potent tree
Poseidon is okay, but a lot of the better Hera users go for Aphrodite's or Athena's and Pom them like heck
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Poseidon is okay, but a lot of the better Hera users go for Aphrodite's or Athen...
alright, i guess i ll try aphrodite's
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soo
i got aphrodite's cast and all but what keepsake should I have now 🤔
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929050912968831097/1184581732876435561/20231213214348_1.jpg?ex=658c7eb5&is=657a09b5&hm=967574ed970f3ee5a948baf078e60fde8e6c23a9a6c01a786f79df78e4cc5c28& my current boons (pog)
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im amazed i can tell what these are
cant tell cast lvl tho
why are you on olympian favor and legacy
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cant tell cast lvl tho
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im amazed i can tell what these are
sorry, idk why its so small
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lemme retake it
vagrant crane
i mean with that info its easy to tell
if i knew bow hammer icons i would know the hammer but i dont
and the rest should be dark thirst and a chaos shot and the hera icon and aph atk/cast
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for some reason it got smaller if I copy the path for convenience rather than copy image (aka now that I copied image its normal size)\
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also why poseidon force
I was thinking poseidon dash and maybe more resources
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the other i was thinking would be athena but im goog with poseidon dash
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tdash is generally kinda annoying on hera
y?
vagrant crane
messes with grouping
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i never played hera until now so idk
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messes with grouping
oh then makes sense
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typical asphodel keepsake is demeter
oh ok
well its fine i ll just get maybe poseidon call and resources
vagrant crane
you ccan use it to push dad next to a wall while hes bubbled
to wallbug
wallbug with hera crush shot is where the cast still hits the enemy but doesnt lodge
if they are near a wall and you have the proper angle
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wallbug with hera crush shot is where the cast still hits the enemy but doesnt l...
so jsut attack or wat..?
vagrant crane
hold on
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okay i ll wait
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