which one is it?
#h1-builds-and-combat
mental fjord
azure bloom
the one where u hold
uneven basalt
Shotgun! Shotgun! Shotgun!
azure bloom
what heat u on
mental fjord
0
mental fjord
just want a clear with bow it's the last weapon i didnt clear with yet
icy nacelle
oh u won the run basically
nah mate
uneven basalt
What about the dash
azure bloom
art dashg
uneven basalt
Did you clear a dash only yet
azure bloom
whatr
uneven basalt
0 heat is alway free
icy nacelle
i'm kiddng about acorn
uneven basalt
Just take your time
icy nacelle
0 heat is alway free
it is, for us
mental fjord
i rly did take acorn, u guys trolled me? lmao
icy nacelle
i rly did take acorn, u guys trolled me? lmao
no
vagrant crane
u can get consistent at low heat very fast
icy nacelle
acorn is amazing
uneven basalt
Acorn is good
mental fjord
alright
uneven basalt
I mean no td means pretty much shoot once and hide for 10 minutes if you need to
azure bloom
why hide
uneven basalt
Idk
proper furnace
Turtle strats
icy nacelle
I mean no td means pretty much shoot once and hide for 10 minutes if you need to
ok but that's not that easy on Elysium
where Splitters attack f---ing everywhere at once
uneven basalt
I mean
It’s especially easy on Ely to take your time
Way way easier than asphodel
icy nacelle
Way way easier than asphodel
yes
azure bloom
make sure to kill the spaeners
uneven basalt
And 0 heat Tartarus is a joke
azure bloom
before they reach their ghost wepaons
icy nacelle
And 0 heat Tartarus is a joke
it's funny how tartarus can become harder than elysium with the right pact and right rng
uneven basalt
Dash only with no dash
azure bloom
it's funny how tartarus can become harder than elysium with the right pact and r...
HL?
azure bloom
whats that
vagrant crane
how is tart harder than ely on bp2
vagrant crane
benefits package
azure bloom
benefits pacakage and middle management are crazy
max them both
along with jury duty
and HL
icy nacelle
i meant BP2+TD3 btw
azure bloom
and FO3
icy nacelle
fo max is 2
icy nacelle
how is tart harder than ely on bp2
for example, for specifically Hestia, a room with shadow cloning + speedy armored numbskulls is absolute hell
if you have no hammers or good dash boons, that is
mental fjord
ok but keep in mind that I'm not pro 😄
mental fjord
acorn it is then
icy nacelle
how much hp do you have left?
icy nacelle
out of?
mental fjord
out of 285 lmao
icy nacelle
fair enough
mental fjord
im full health
icy nacelle
ok you got this then
mental fjord
yeah
icy nacelle
what boon do you have on special?
icy nacelle
Get the aoe on kill boon
oh that makes sense too, i was thinking of zeus special
mental fjord
arte in shop
icy nacelle
arte can give support fire
proper furnace
Zeus cast would work well too but kinda late for that
icy nacelle
arte can give support fire
uh, they're little homing arrows that deal extra damage every time you hit attack or special
since ur game isn't English
proper furnace
uh, they're little homing arrows that deal extra damage every time you hit attac...
- press cast
icy nacelle
well yeah but against rats that's irrelevant
@vagrant crane i have no idea what any of those bugs are
wait no i know clockets - no dmg reduction on cluster
what are the other two that you mentioned?
proper furnace
Wall bug is shooting crush shot at certain angles and they can collide with a wall or smth like that
So no lodge happens
icy nacelle
but it still deals dmg i assume
proper furnace
Yup
uneven basalt
And beo was mirage shot?
proper furnace
Beo is its entire existence
uneven basalt
True
icy nacelle
assuming NO hera, does crush shot lodge normally?
proper furnace
You can breath on it and it'll probably reveal a new bug
mental fjord
324 health and 3 life whats my odds
uneven basalt
Very good
proper furnace
assuming NO hera, does crush shot lodge normally?
I think you can wall bug with no hera too but not sure
icy nacelle
which hermes boons do you have
proper furnace
Also less of a need for it
icy nacelle
I think you can wall bug with no hera too but not sure
i wasn't talking about wall bug tho
i legit dunno if crush shot lodges or not
i never use it
proper furnace
Yeah it lodges
vagrant crane
I think you can wall bug with no hera too but not sure
you can
proper furnace
Ig you don't notice it on hera cuz you either kill outright or have the hera buff to drop faster lol
icy nacelle
greater recall hera 🤤
eager flint
yeah crush shot lodging is pretty random
sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't
ime
uneven basalt
Is there a way to speed up beo? Like the attack or whatever it is before it charges bull rush throws me off
vagrant crane
dash strike
proper furnace
^
icy nacelle
also
proper furnace
Standing strikes are death
icy nacelle
press cast after you release the bull rush iirc
vagrant crane
dont do that
proper furnace
yay he died and i didnt 😄
Followed hypnos tips I see
vagrant crane
press cast after you release the bull rush iirc
no
there are times to do it but it's not a thing you do every volley
vagrant crane
you don't get the extra aoe
there's no real bonus
you can mess it up
the only time to do it is if you know you'll pick up a stone during the rush
usually pre hammer in early tart
sometimes if u have no hammer at furies for whatever reason
icy nacelle
doesn't the bull rush charge faster when you don't load casts into it?
vagrant crane
no?
proper furnace
No
proper furnace
Is like when someone says twin shot makes the charge slower
icy nacelle
Is like when someone says twin shot makes the charge slower
it doesn't?
proper furnace
No 
proper furnace
Yup
icy nacelle
why do we consider ME a melee build?
proper furnace
Nem better but arthur works fine
icy nacelle
or nemesis better
both are bad tho, but you can clear with them on 0 heat
proper furnace
What
vagrant crane
why do we consider ME a melee build?
because it is???
acoustic skiff
you can clear with arthur even 20 heat
eager flint
why do we consider ME a melee build?
you proc with divine dash, so melee range
icy nacelle
arthur is easier on low heat, nen is better on higher heat
vagrant crane
idk man
eager flint
you can clear arthur on 32 heat somewhat easily
vagrant crane
nem is a lot easier to clear with
icy nacelle
you proc with divine dash, so melee range
wait, do you need to hit divine dash
eager flint
yeah
proper furnace
Yes
icy nacelle
oh s---
vagrant crane
As someone
with around 3 deaths at dad in anyheat on arthur
proper furnace
wait, do you need to _hit_ divine dash
Did you think it was deflect something?
icy nacelle
Did you think it was deflect something?
no i thought it was "just dash and the doom will insta drop"
acoustic skiff
no you have to hit with something that has deflect
proper furnace
That sounds fun
icy nacelle
bruh bruh bruh bruh bruh bruh
proper furnace
Tactical doom deployed
acoustic skiff
imagine hestia if ME worked like that
acoustic skiff
just dash after every attack and do 800 dmg per dash
mental fjord
I always read you guys talk about ME but what is it 😄
proper furnace
THAT's why i died on my ME attempt
Yeah that makes more sense lol
acoustic skiff
Merciful end
proper furnace
I always read you guys talk about ME but what is it 😄
Merciful end
acoustic skiff
athena + ares duo boon
mental fjord
okkk
proper furnace
For duos I think smair is better
icy nacelle
but now i gotta give ME another shot
mental fjord
ohh I've used it once I think, randomly, it's good
icy nacelle
For duos I think smair is better
ye but smair doesn't "feel" OP, if that makes sense
proper furnace
Fair
acoustic skiff
ME gives big number, big number good
vagrant crane
crystal clarity sux
acoustic skiff
slander
icy nacelle
bulls---
acoustic skiff
lies, deception
vagrant crane
like actually
proper furnace
Blame stygian soul
tight basin
Yeah
acoustic skiff
I agree with that, takes a lot of RNG to get perfect crystal build
but one of my favorite builds
icy nacelle
two things:
- people really underrate how good infernal soul + NO glacial glare crystal clarity is
acoustic skiff
Also Artemis will refuse to give lego when you go for crystal
icy nacelle
lego?
tight basin
two things:
1. people really underrate how good infernal soul + NO glacial glare...
I mean it works but that's not like the best it can be
icy nacelle
meh, 3 crystal clarity shots is more than good enough
acoustic skiff
stygian or nothing
mental fjord
what use do you have of arthur's special? I'm too mobile to stand on that spot
acoustic skiff
disable lava
icy nacelle
I mean it works but that's not like the best it can be
no i mean like, stygian + glacial glare > infernal + no glacial glare > stygian + no glacial glare > infernal + glacial glare
proper furnace
If you are using infernal just go blades tbh
icy nacelle
blades isn't braindead tho 😛
acoustic skiff
with hunting it kinda is
tight basin
no i mean like, stygian + glacial glare > infernal + no glacial glare > stygian ...
Tbh glacial glare doesn't really matter if you're on infernal
You'll always have 3 up anyways
icy nacelle
sometimes you fire them at a bad spot
and you need to wait a looooong time to fix them
if you have IS + GG
icy nacelle
oh btw
completely different question that i wanted to ask specifically you for a long time:
what do you think of Support Fire on Zeus Shield?
icy nacelle
wha-
tight basin
attack or cast to open rod (assuming zeus^2), pressure points -> marked
icy nacelle
ofc i'm assuming zeus special on zeus shield
tight basin
like it's not bad if the options are like idk
icy nacelle
attack or cast to open rod (assuming zeus^2), pressure points -> marked
remind me what rod is again pls?
tight basin
lightning rod
proper furnace
Cast on ground > bolts around it
icy nacelle
what
tight basin
yea
icy nacelle
ye ik what lrod is but don't you take stygian soul?
vagrant crane
support fire is a last ditch from arty on zeus
tight basin
40 or 70 damage per bolt, i dont remember
but it's great for aoe and just damage in general, esp since you're already scaling bolt damage from zeus^2
proper furnace
70
tight basin
ye ik what lrod is but don't you take stygian soul?
you take infernal
or like you can if you want
proper furnace
40 is splitting bolt dmg
tight basin
if you take stygian then you cant get rod
tight basin
it doesnt
mental fjord
I did a money run earlier, I stacked like 3500 gold damage was hiiigh
vagrant crane
and no you never use stygian on zeus^2
proper furnace
It doesn't
vagrant crane
very poor idea
tight basin
support fire is like what 10-14 damage or something?
vagrant crane
yeah
tight basin
that's not that spectacular frankly
acoustic skiff
what is zeus^2?
tight basin
zeus special on zeus shield
icy nacelle
support fire is like what 10-14 damage or something?
yeah it's for killing stragglers like those Elysium souls
icy nacelle
plus it does deal decent damage alongside zeus boons
tight basin
yeah it's for killing stragglers like those Elysium souls
that would mean you're missing a breakpoint of like 10-14 damage lmao
those things have like about 200 hp i think? so you'd have to hit something roughly 20 times
for support fire to kill an eyeball
icy nacelle
ye but that damage stacks since zeus shield generates a ton of support fire arrows
but lrod does make more sense ngl
tight basin
i mean yeah it is more damage but it's not necessary for it to be a good build
icy nacelle
i'll try that next time
proper furnace
Just wack them with your attack or recall the shield
tight basin
like technically speaking, any boon you pick up can increase your damage
but the issue is like
is it worth hunting down or rolling
and for support fire the answer is like always no lmao
icy nacelle
if i already have pp, which unlocks sf in the first place, i usually sac 1 roll for support fire
but again i never tried lrod on zeus
tight basin
i wouldn't roll at all lmao it's pretty pitiful damage overall
the cast is more consistent damage tbh lmfao
vagrant crane
support fire is not what you would roll for on zeus
you have many other things to go for
you need dash and beaver
you want arty attack and marked
you want jolted
good hermes
icy nacelle
marked?
vagrant crane
hunters mark
icy nacelle
arty attack?
vagrant crane
yesa
icy nacelle
oh arty attack to proc hunter's mark
icy nacelle
ok what
tight basin
also support fire might mess with marked targets
icy nacelle
hold on, how is arty attack good?
proper furnace
Is just decent dmg on its own
tight basin
even ignoring rod and marked, just criting is good for something that you use a lot lmao
icy nacelle
aren't there better ways to crit?
proper furnace
Cast has lower crit chance also
tight basin
unless athena attack, arty cast, athena dash
vagrant crane
it is the best attack
period
arty attack is better than high %
it scales with additive
vagrant crane
why would you do that
icy nacelle
the call fills up so fast
tight basin
arty call only does like good damage at full call
icy nacelle
ye i use regular call to proc billowing strength
tight basin
also like just because it does more burst damage than the attack doesn't make it the best way lmao
you're attacking more often than using a call
tight basin
and even if you use small calls on arty, that's still not as consistent as smacking stuff with the attack a lot lmao
proper furnace
If you charging call fast you can also just spam something like zeus lesser call
Or at least use aphro call so its a consistent nuke
icy nacelle
you're attacking more often than using a call
ok that was what i was going to mention: i think you guys are attacking way more than i am
i just don't use attack
and spam special recall
and dashes
tight basin
well that's one way to use zeus lmao
vagrant crane
ok so you're playing suboptimally
that's fine
but like
that playstyle has no bearing on a good build
tight basin
ideally you'd use the attack for more damage lmao
icy nacelle
that playstyle has no bearing on a good build
yeah apparently people are actually smacking enemies into the spinning disc
tight basin
that just takes like practice and learning tbh
icy nacelle
which i only recently discovered
tight basin
zeus shield is kinda difficult to play at a high level
proper furnace
Yeah how often you attack also means you prob have cshot
Such a dumb hammer (positive)
tight basin
you can easily get results by half assing it and good game mechanics, but if you're trying to play as best as you can, then you def need to atk lmao
tight basin
both for zeus i believe
icy nacelle
yeah apparently people are actually smacking enemies into the spinning disc
is this not a thing?
vagrant crane
you literally have to
proper furnace
I try 
tight basin
it is for like super high heat imo
because all your damage is in the special and you dont have cshot
vagrant crane
yeah idk heat zeus
tight basin
and exploding return kinda does big damage
you can bull rush into the shield when recalling it
icy nacelle
oh yeah your guide doesn't mention the good hammers on zeus
unless i missed it lmao
vagrant crane
The best hammer by far is Charged Shot. This includes Chaos (ignore the special) and kind of Zeus. Pierces shields and incredibly high base damage. You won’t get iframes during your Bull Rush anymore, but the damage is worth it. Zeus wants Explosive Return mainly, but Charged Shot is still a very good hammer.
it is right there
icy nacelle
i missed it then
icy nacelle
The best hammer by far is Charged Shot. This includes Chaos (ignore the special)...
oh that's in the general shield section tho
that's why i missed it
happens
tight basin
oh yeah it's a big disorganized in that sense
but like cshot kinda just goes for all shields
and on the topic of hammers i might as well mention the exception for zeus lmao
tight basin
sudden rush
it's pretty good in general
good on zeus
not bad on beo if you dont have cshot
works fine if you do have cshot but you have to make the adjustment
icy nacelle
what adjustment?
tight basin
well the cshot charges faster
vagrant crane
i dont take sudden
tight basin
and you dont want to miss your cast lmao
vagrant crane
its weird
proper furnace
Sudden kills my muscle memory of the rush
icy nacelle
sudden makes the shield easier to play for me
it may be a placebo effect though
feels really useful for blocking minotaur head charges
tight basin
you put the shield down at the same speed
how long you charge it doesnt effect how you block lmao
icy nacelle
so it is indeed a placebo effect
meh
still, i like having my bull rushes charge faster lel
mobility is good
tight basin
simply do not move and spam cshot in the same spot
icy nacelle
~~simply do not move and spam cshot in the same spot~~
and get obliterated by theseus 😭
tight basin
block the spear throw lmao
but fair
that one you have to move a bit
but like in dad fight
you can kinda just stand in the same spot and block smart
icy nacelle
i meant the theseus god call
proper furnace
Yeah
icy nacelle
O_O
tight basin
good hammer is good
tight basin
The best hammer by far is Charged Shot. This includes Chaos (ignore the special)...
it's the start of the 2nd sentence here lmao
icy nacelle
is it a pierce like non-hammered bow attack pierce or is it a pierce like hestia hammer pierce?
tight basin
hestia hammer
icy nacelle
O_O
tight basin
goes through everything except walls
icy nacelle
wow that's good
tight basin
good hammer is good lmao
vagrant crane
it kinda goes through walls
icy nacelle
i never get it offered sadly
vagrant crane
you can shoot stuff through thin walls
tight basin
oh yeah i guess
vagrant crane
if they're close
tight basin
but like for the most part
cshot goes through everything except walls (mostly) lmao
you sacrfice a bit of safety for a whole lot of damage
it's just like weird bow at that point
icy nacelle
you sacrfice a bit of safety for a whole lot of damage
and it's not even that much safety sacrificed, apparently
icy nacelle
the first time i saw that hammer i thought the charging doesn't even block attacks
but it DOES
tight basin
losing the bull rush iframes generally isn't that big of a deal most of the time
icy nacelle
when are the iframes anyway? during the dash part, right?
tight basin
i think it's more of a problem with 1 dash lmao
tight basin
when are the iframes anyway? during the dash part, right?
yeah
proper furnace
Yeah even if you miss the rush frames I also mainly played zag shield
I don't have other options
icy nacelle
it's better than being melee on em4 (nightmare)
tight basin
lmao yeah
proper furnace
im pretty sure ive only cleared em4 with dem and zagshield
Em4 fists? Gaming
tight basin
My first em4 clear was long knuckle fists lmao
proper furnace
My first was chiron pretty sure
icy nacelle
same
tight basin
My second and I think third were big damage beo builds so like it kinda didn't exist lmao
tight basin
And then the cursed chaos 33 heat idk how that happened
icy nacelle
also idk why i can't clear em4 with hestia
icy nacelle
it should be very easy based on how good i am with hestia in every other part of the game
vagrant crane
the issue is simply that hestia sucks
icy nacelle
but he just heals past my damage
analog mauve
the issue is pot
vagrant crane
have u tried not getting potted
icy nacelle
the issue is pot
yes
proper furnace
Have those runs been non clockets?
icy nacelle
Have those runs been non clockets?
i STILL haven't been able to get clockets, not even once
analog mauve
🛌 no
icy nacelle
i hate eris because i can't use it
icy nacelle
too much stuff to keep track of for my ADHD-riddled brain
you need to constantly hit urself with specials, attack enemies, reload before you run out of bullets, only 12 bullets
AAAAA
icy nacelle
actually running out of bullets sucks because of the "click-click-click" part where you sit like a sitting duck for some time
plus it wastes precious Eris buff time
vagrant crane
reload
icy nacelle
that's what i said
acoustic skiff
if you let go of attack and then attack again it will do a reload
frozen latch
The funny thing about eris ime, you play better if you stop being so paranoid about the buff
Might be suboptimal but it work
Much easier at normal dad compared to hestia but safety is a huge problem at em4
icy nacelle
The funny thing about eris ime, you play better if you stop being so paranoid ab...
ok but why not just use zag rail then?
vagrant crane
🗿
it lasts 4 seconds
if you are in one of every 3 specials that means you have 89% uptime
is that not good enough for you
icy nacelle
i just accidentally took crystal beam on hera
and it's hilarious
bad, but hilarious
oh god i have thunder dash on hera
do i take zeus special or jolted
hmmm
icy nacelle
oh god
you can apparently wallbug crystal beam
and it becomes useless
stuck inside a wall
hitting nothing even with crystal clarity
this is absolutely hilarious
south sonnet
for dem, you want to just use zap fists right
vagrant crane
that or ME
uneven basalt
Those are pretty much the only options for fists in general no?
uneven basalt
I vaguely remember how that ended up for me
south sonnet
kick, launcher, or rolling for zap fists
first hammer, only have attack boon so far
vagrant crane
kin launcher
dem hammers are
breaching cross > explosive upper = kin launcher > long knuckle > weird trash
south sonnet
"weird trash"
but rolling knuckle is so good
icy nacelle
WHY DID I JUST INSTAPHASE TISIPHONE WITH (zeused up) RAMA SPECIAL
tight basin
That doesn't sound like instaphase lmao we probably have different definitions for time
If 3 stone cshot beo mirage doesn't instaphase then rama special only shouldn't
acoustic skiff
time is an illusion
eager flint
bro used calisthenic programs -5, unlocked the bespoken ultra hidden negative heat
proven osprey
it's called coolness
polar flint
One of my favorite Zeus boon builds is
Aspect of Poseidon on sword
And then zeus cast
Then a bunch of Artemis boons (like exit wounds, and crit boons that Artemis has)
Not the best build but a fun one I enjoy! 😁
narrow crag
Any Zeus boon builds
zeus^2 is solid
zap fists is fists(non gilg) with lightning strike, and then add on stuff like splitting and support fire
zealous solar
zeus^2 is solid
zap fists is fists(non gilg) with lightning strike, and then add...
Zeus ^2 what’s that
Also could you elaborate on zap fists?
proper furnace
Zeus ^2 what’s that
Zeus shield, zeus special
Zeus^2
Easy to use, just add static discharge and pom it for dmg
For zap fists you do the same but with lightning strike instead
Anything from zeus after that is a good bonus
Zeus call/double strike into splitting bolt/
For duos you can use an aphro core boon to unlock smoldering air if you have zeus call
Or take something like artemis cast to unlock lightning rod
zealous solar
Zeus shield, zeus special
Thank you
polar flint
What does “Zeus^2 “mean?
proper furnace
Zeus shield, zeus special
@polar flint
errant narwhal
it means using the aspect of zeus for the shield, with a zeus boon on the special
polar flint
But if that person said that already why put “Zeus^2” ?
I’m not trying to be un-cooperative I’m really trying to understand.
vagrant crane
that’s what the build is called
errant narwhal
its the same thing, a lot of people in this server use a lot of shorthands and names for boons and builds, like ME meaning merciful end for one example
potent tree
Think of it as an appositive 😛
polar flint
Okay! That’s neat. Thanks for explaining. I’m not super duper new to the game but definitely new to the community so I’m a little slow to these shorthand names so thanks y’all for helping!
eager flint
math 
wind glen
anyone has tips for guan yu?
wintry portal
proper furnace
anyone has tips for guan yu?
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viscid bolt
Just finished spear - moving onto fists. Any tips on build/aspect ?
south sonnet
Just finished spear - moving onto fists. Any tips on build/aspect ?
zap fists is pretty good
basically you do this:
lightning strike(thats it)
jolted+splitting are both good support. if youre using dem fists, aph on special or merciful end build work
south sonnet
ah
viscid bolt
is artemis for a spcific duo or just for big dmg on dem fists combo
vagrant crane
well
south sonnet
big damg, and maybe lightning rod
south sonnet
well ive got this run thats trying to go for ares legendary, hunting blades, and mirage shot but i have none of those in styx.
how should i attempt to salvage this run
vagrant crane
hunting blades > mirage shot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scam cycle
south sonnet
but the dash damage
eager flint
anyone else addicted to putting AAAZ on literally everything ?
(aphro-arte-athena-zeus)
my monkey brain will always think "smair deadly reversal heart rend more DD big crits zeusss BRRRR"
south sonnet
never used athena before
eager flint
then I die in aspho because my build sucks at that point (I didn't get 50 boons in 12 rooms)
eager flint
never used athena before<:shadethumbsup:1150926794187354162>
blasphemy
south sonnet
and i never use aph and zeus together besides zeus shield and zap fists
or being forced
south sonnet
and then arte...
never used with zeus before
eager flint
zeus is more because smoldering air is dummy stupid than because of arte
lightning rod cool though
south sonnet
too much effort
eager flint
and, like, support fire + zeus bolts = fast weapons go brrr
which, with billowing or that one boon I never take that gives more gauge charge, means calls go brrr
can either spam zeus for big damage or hoard arte for big damage
long story short, big damage
me like big damage
icy nacelle
Friendship ended with Chiron
now Rama is my best friend
i can't believe Rama Special actually outclasses Chiron Special
but it does
neon linden
Real
icy nacelle
Special-only Rama runs are soooo much faster and more intuitive and more braindead than Chiron runs
icy nacelle
when you have enough boons & relentless volley you can literally hold Y on the controller and clear an entire room
neon linden
i would think ares is best on rama no?
icy nacelle
i would think ares is best on rama no?
not if you're going special-only like me
tight basin
Special-only Rama runs are soooo much faster and more intuitive and more brainde...
budget delta chamber poggers
icy nacelle
budget delta chamber poggers
with Relentless Volley it becomes way better than Delta Chamber imo
tight basin
you dont get iframes on dashes
neon linden
not if you're going special-only like me
Then what is🤨
tight basin
and you dont get a bomb lmao
icy nacelle
Then what is🤨
Zeus
icy nacelle
way, way stronger yeah
neon linden
I dont like zeus
tight basin
also why aren't we using the atk on rama
icy nacelle
budget delta chamber poggers
have you seen my modded footage on chiron where zeus lightning cooldown is minimal?
tight basin
yeah
tight basin
not surprised lmao
lucid oar
It’s not, it opens rod and since its flat damage, it double dips with global % damage
Jolted and double strike are always good
icy nacelle
not surprised lmao
i've been saving some footage with rama, i'm gonna post them soon
tight basin
wr has Zeus special so therefore it's good
icy nacelle
like i legit cleared (em3 fo2) Asterius in like 10 seconds or smth, forgetting to Meg
tho i dunno if i recorded that
lucid oar
Imo most fun special for Chiron is poseidon
icy nacelle
mm doesn't afffect the solo bull fight, right?
can't rememberr
https://imgur.com/C3rPxJO https://imgur.com/8eZqEAx https://imgur.com/zxvGqzq https://imgur.com/P2zkW5x
so here's my (modded) Zeus'ed up rama footage
it's completely and utterly broken when the cooldown from Zeus Lightning is removed
i know this is normally posted to #h1-victory-boasting but here's my build & pact & mirror in that footage: https://imgur.com/wd8Y9HT https://imgur.com/FSdr7pi
i got legit every damage boon i needed
i even got Epic Athena attack like the Guide suggests lol
the only thing i was missing was concentrated volley
oh also
Rama special doesn't have any cooldown related to Support Fire
A Chiron special fires only 2-3 SF arrows even with RVolley
A Rama special fires 7 with RVolley
icy nacelle
https://imgur.com/C3rPxJO https://imgur.com/8eZqEAx https://imgur.com/zxvGqzq ht...
plus look at how fast the god gauge fills up
frozen latch
rama special only wr is 53 by schad
he has a pinned guide in #h1-high-heat-strategies
icy nacelle
rama special only wr is 53 by schad
not surprised honestly, rama special makes you quite vulnerable to taking damage
so not having Thick Skin would hhurt a lot at lc4
tight basin
Ngl special only rama is being held back by lack of damage lmao
Also that run has thick skin
Oh you mean higher
Tbh losing fam favs is the bigger issue
frozen latch
I never notice how influential boiling blood and fam favs after trying ri3
definitely where you damage moment
icy nacelle
literally every mirror ability slot is incredibly influential honestly
unless you're doing lc4, that is, because then the second mirror slot becomes useless
south sonnet
budget delta chamber poggers
yooooo budget delta chamber
icy nacelle
you dont get iframes on dashes
wait a second, what
isn't "iframes on dash" a thing regardless of your weapon??
proper furnace
isn't "iframes on dash" a thing regardless of your weapon??
Attacking removes iframes
Except for delta chamber as mentioned
neon linden
Does ares urge to kill remove the effects of shattered shackle or is it just on the core boons that effect it?
neon linden
Ok thanks
dire furnace
Does anyone have a link to a zeus guide?
south sonnet
shield or god
dire furnace
shield
south sonnet
note: i do not have guides, but the 64+ heat runs are decent
proper furnace
do you mean guide as in only build or how to actually play it
dire furnace
uhh both ig
sry I just heard it was really good and I wanna know how to make it work
icy nacelle
someone, i think mysterra, has done heat 64 but with cp3
b-but cp2 is max
proper furnace
for build is basically zeus special and a million zeus boons
south sonnet
b-but cp2 is max
modded, but only for heat
icy nacelle
uh
south sonnet
pom the later
proper furnace
any other zeus boon is amazing
vagrant crane
modded, but only for heat
well also speedrun modpack
icy nacelle
double strike is just as essential as static discharge
vagrant crane
double strike is just as essential as static discharge
no
south sonnet
i love pomming "the" later
vagrant crane
it is not
proper furnace
double strike is just as essential as static discharge
nah
vagrant crane
i love pomming "the" later
the latter
south sonnet
i know how to english, it was a joke
icy nacelle
well also speedrun modpack
oh yeah speaking of which
what is that modpack? what is the name? what does it do? etc
vagrant crane
double strike doesn’t work for single target
tight basin
someone, i think mysterra, has done heat 64 but with cp3
mysterra did 82
frozen latch
Does anyone have a link to a zeus guide?
Mysterra has a guide video but it’s in chinese
vagrant crane
because the cooldown is too long
vagrant crane
oh yeah speaking of which
what _is_ that modpack? what is the name? what does it...
it is called the speedrun modpack
it removes some rng
guaranteed 2sack
and first hammer and core
no bull or tony or barge
fountain indicators
quick reset
that’s about it
icy nacelle
is all of this customizable?
vagrant crane
also qol like showing chamber number
tight basin
you can turn them off and on
vagrant crane
is all of this customizable?
yeah
icy nacelle
you can turn them off and on
that's what i meant
vagrant crane
there are presets though
standard for igt or rta
for rta it removes than as well
icy nacelle
frankly i just want guaranteed core and guaranteed hammer
tight basin
you can change the amount of tunnels you need for the sack tho it doesn't always have to be a 2 sack
frozen latch
Apparently, you can also turn off than 
tight basin
i remember a clip of someone making it 0 sack lmfao
south sonnet
sry I just heard it was really good and I wanna know how to make it work
for casual play, use the special as your main damage, and try to keep the shield on enemies as much as possible. you can do this by either knocking enemies into a stationary shield, or constantly throwing out/retrieving your shield while trying to hit the most possible enemies.
get thunder flourish and static discharge. for other gods, you can get aph for smoldering air, and thats about it
icy nacelle
because the cooldown is too long
(btw, oh that makes sense)
tight basin
Apparently, you can also turn off than <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
rta preset
than shafts rta
frozen latch
Yeah i’ve seen rta run unmodded and that looks sweaty
tight basin
anyway is there a pin in here that links to it?
under resources on speedrun.com
should be at the bottom or something
vagrant crane
icy nacelle
sry I just heard it was really good and I wanna know how to make it work
what @south sonnet just said but i also really really REALLY like support fire and pressure points
the zeus boons (thunder flourish and static discharge edit: and double strike) are way more important though
tight basin
support fire and pressure points are just something if you happen to see you take but you'd rather take the atk
south sonnet
what <@858094377585999922> just said but i also really really REALLY like suppor...
you forgot double strike
frozen latch
what <@858094377585999922> just said but i also really really REALLY like suppor...
This dad fight have everything you want https://youtu.be/_zp7Us5cJBg
icy nacelle
This dad fight have everything you want https://youtu.be/_zp7Us5cJBg
no athena's aid ;;
frozen latch
Just don’t get killed like she did
south sonnet
hey it opens the legendary lmao
free shield bug
icy nacelle
hey it opens the legendary lmao
speaking of which, going artemis means that you unlock lightning rod
proper furnace
Rod my beloved
icy nacelle
which is something i still haven't tried
vagrant crane
rodge
tight basin
~~free shield bug~~
shield bug is worth it for the amount of damage you get out of it generally
you just have to be mindful of it
icy nacelle
shield bug is worth it for the amount of damage you get out of it generally
what's le bug
south sonnet
something related to being unable to block
vagrant crane
it makes ur shield block not so worky
tight basin
when splitting bolt is doing damage, sometimes the block doesn't work
tight basin
what's le bug
icy nacelle
you don't NEED to block
tight basin
i mean you dont have to but you can
vagrant crane
yeah u kinda do
icy nacelle
yeah u kinda do
mate, not on casual play
vagrant crane
many people have said that monodash em4 at those heats isn’t really doable on non shields
vagrant crane
mate, not on casual play
these are like 60 heat runs
tight basin
tbf splitting bolt block bug is mainly a problem with high heat zeus unless you play a turtle strat
which is boring
icy nacelle
these are like 60 heat runs
look, what you've said is right but the original asker is asking for casual runs
that's all i'm saying
icy nacelle
oh btw
lately Snakestones (and their Tartarus counterparts) have started doing massive damage to me
tight basin
Stop standing still idk lmao
icy nacelle
the other day i took 150 DMG from them before i could blink, in a big Styx room
tight basin
Sounds like you ate a saw blade on his or something idk
What level hard labor did you take
150 is literally like
Standing still for many seconds type of damage
icy nacelle
Sounds like you ate a saw blade on his or something idk
no it was in the room with this giant chasm in the middle
tight basin
Did you have personal liability on and hl5
icy nacelle
What level hard labor did you take
4, with fo2
tight basin
And just didn't move
icy nacelle
Did you have personal liability on and hl5
no i don't have hell mode on
tight basin
Fo2 might effect hit rate for that but 150 is gratuitous
frozen latch
Shouldn’t happen without hellmode
icy nacelle
Fo2 might effect hit rate for that but 150 is gratuitous
well it was 3 different snakestones
forgot to mention that
tight basin
Ah
You'd have to have staggered their laser hits so the bubble doesn't proc then
The bubble procs on hit frequency too so there's no way you took that much
icy nacelle
i'm starting to believe that me removing "the thunder flourish cooldown" somehow affected snakestone dmg
frozen latch
Probably not
tight basin
Are you sure you actually took 150
tight basin
Welp idk then 100 damage happening quickly would proc the bubble before then unless it was like 2 hits
icy nacelle
but i started the room at over 200, and positive outlook triggered before i could blink
frozen latch
I recall doomstone fast reset is a skill for unmodded speedrunner
icy nacelle
wish i recorded it yeah
i'll try to record my Styx runs lest i encounter smth like this again
plucky oasis
lucifer rail + ares attack (i forgor name) + dire misfortune + eternal chamber = cool (if it works the way i think it will)
can someone approve or deny this pls
tight basin
it will work the way you think it will if you want a funny doom number
luci meme build
plucky oasis
it will work the way you think it will if you want a funny doom number
🤑
ok so blood vial, lucifer, and a lot a bit of luck and i’ll get this silly build i hope
mystic jay
Why is Hades spear considered worse than zag spear?
mystic jay
spin is too slow?
tight basin
yeah pretty much
its only effective between waves/phases
or like good to use
you can ofc use it mid fights but it's less safe
mystic jay
what if you get quick spin?
tight basin
it's more manageable but also the debuff doesn't make the spin deal more damage
so you generally just like spin once and then do your normal attacks
mystic jay
i see
tight basin
with flurry jab on zag spear you'll generally outpace hades spear in terms of dps
mystic jay
so apparently chaos shield is also not good?
mystic jay
is it not effective for applying hangover stacks?
tight basin
that's all it's good for tbh
but like
you're better off getting charged shot
and ignoring the attack
if you can't get a good attack hammer then you could do that
but it's pretty slow
considering hangover isn't fast to begin with and base shield atk kinda sucks
mystic jay
Zag shield is more effective? How do you generally build around that?
tight basin
aphrodite attack
get a good attack hammer
win
build for whatever duo you find first if it's good generally
mainly smair or rod
it's the same concept as chaos shield except you dont get the base damage buff
mystic jay
lightning rod?
tight basin
heart rend isn't worth it since your main attack damage isn't naturally critting
you dont really need duos
mystic jay
yeah true
tight basin
in general or on zag shield
mystic jay
zag shield
tight basin
if you have arty attack and get too many athena boons then i guess
mystic jay
wb athena attack + artemis special?
tight basin
i mean sure but you'll have pretty eh damage until you're able to proc it
mystic jay
so you just need aphrodite attaack?
tight basin
epic athena attack is like barely better than rare aphrodite except aphrodite can outpace it with better pom scaling i believe
tight basin
so you just need aphrodite attaack?
yeah lmao
mystic jay
and what combo do you use? Dash strikes into bull rush?
tight basin
generally depends on what hammer you have
if you have pulv blow then you don't really bull rush since the bulk of your damage is standing attacks
if you have charged shot then you dash strike into the charged shot
or standing strike into the charged shot
mystic jay
Are you pretty much guaranteed to get at least one attack hammer?
tight basin
nope
zag and chaos shield both kinda suck without a good attack hammer
since the bulk of their damage is from their attack since the special sucks
but shield attack kinda just sucks
mystic jay
seems like it
tight basin
yeah zeus and beo don't really have that problem since their damage comes from other stuff
mystic jay
those two are nuts
tight basin
those two dont really need a hammer to have good damage but with a good hammer they're a lot better
mystic jay
I once got charge shot on Beo, it was pretty funny
tight basin
cshot beo kinda insane
proper furnace
chunky and buggy hera moment
mystic jay
so what's the deal with zag sword? Seems very underwhelming, and i see no reason to use it over nemesis
tight basin
sounds about right
the only niche zag sword has is that it has the movement speed bonus and you can get a stronger rush delivery
better flat damage soup
mystic jay
Ah, so your dash strikes would do a lot?
tight basin
zag sword plume builds are always fun to see lmao
tight basin
Ah, so your dash strikes would do a lot?
yes and no lol
the bulk of a flat damage soup build isn't the weapon's base damage
it's like
everything else lmao
tidal dash, lightning strike, jolted, etc
blade dash even
mystic jay
@tight basin I guess you coould do merciful end on zagt sword?
tight basin
you can always do ME on sword
nem still does it better regardless
although like the movement speed bonus might make zag sword better than nem in terms of damage but idk
crits kinda good
assuming both get rd
nem still has a better early game because of the crits tho
vagrant crane
although like the movement speed bonus might make zag sword better than nem in t...
shouldnt
in a regular environment the zagsword bonus is at most like
30% additive
nem is 60% multiplicative attack damage
tight basin
yeah that tracks
if zag sword gets a good amount of ichors then maybe lmao
but also with enough ichors and hyper sprint, rd will make anything busted
"how many ichors to make chiron good?"
"yes"
plucky oasis
tmrw ima do meme lucifer run (curse of agony + dire misfortune + eternal chamber)
wish me luck 🔥
south sonnet
no delta chamber eris?
tired niche
is aspect of arthur good?
vagrant crane
no
tired niche
damn
potent tree
It's fun at least. Big ol' numbers
tired niche
ive only maxed out aspect of zagreus, people say nemesis is good but i just dont use my nova smash much
mystic jay
What makes Chiron bad, and why is it so popular among beginners?
mystic jay
ive only maxed out aspect of zagreus, people say nemesis is good but i just dont...
Nemesis best sword aspect for sure
vagrant crane
What makes Chiron bad, and why is it so popular among beginners?
it is bad cause it has slow animations no aoe poor damage and a lot of endlag
tight basin
What makes Chiron bad, and why is it so popular among beginners?
slow special animation, no aoe, and middling damage for how long it takes to deal damage
vagrant crane
it's popular cause it's easy to use i guess
tight basin
early game it's kinda like "if i hit them a lot of times that means i'm doing a lot of damage" and chiron kinda fills that capacity lmao
and they dont really have a good metric of "a lot of damage" so they just stick with chiron
mystic jay
I wonder why Haelian loves it so much
tight basin
Does he really lmao
vagrant crane
im pretty sure he loves everything
mystic jay
Does he really lmao
Yeah, he did a tier list and rated it S rank aspect. Granted that was 2 years ago, but still
mystic jay
im pretty sure he loves everything
fair point
tight basin
Yeah, he did a tier list and rated it S rank aspect. Granted that was 2 years ag...
Of how much he likes it or how good it is
I don't remember him making a tier list for his fav aspects
vagrant crane
he also made a video not long ago where he said eris is the best aspect in the game
south sonnet
chiron is the best aspect for 32 heat, according to haelian
mystic jay
Of how much he likes it or how good it is
Seems like he was emphasizing the fact that it's safe for new players
tight basin
~~chiron is the best aspect for 32 heat, according to haelian~~
That was from data from posts not from himself
mystic jay
he also made a video not long ago where he said eris is the best aspect in the g...
Is Eris not good?
mystic jay
lemme guess, Beowulf is best?
vagrant crane
yeah
mystic jay
lol of course
south sonnet
zeus is also top 5, id say top 3 even
vagrant crane
meh
south sonnet
imagine its the worst aspect
mystic jay
I got my first 32 with eris
vagrant crane
it's only really good for heat
if you want your tier list to consider everything zeus is only really good at one thing
mystic jay
what other factors to consider, speed and what else?
vagrant crane
speed
tight basin
Heat
tight basin
Heat and speed are kinda the only good metrics to use
mystic jay
zeus seems like a pretty safe aspect, but kinda slow