Bouncing ball of deflect tend to hit quite easily
#h1-builds-and-combat
icy nacelle
does it bounce off of walls?
frozen latch
Yes
icy nacelle
does regular phalanx do that?
frozen latch
Nope
icy nacelle
alright, i'll give it a shot
like i really hate crush shot and flood shot for their unnecessary drawbacks
frozen latch
Flood shot work on achilles and pos but I don’t really like it either
icy nacelle
i stay off of zeus ever since it let me down while i was a noob
lightning just isn't good unless you mod it in to be good lmao
tight basin
lightning just isn't good unless you mod it in to be good lmao
Jolted literally exists
It just sucks on Chiron lmao
It's good everywhere else
frozen latch
With lightning phalanx, just need one core boon from him so just ignore him after that is fine
icy nacelle
Jolted literally exists
and i really don't get while Jolted - while nice - is regarded SO highly
tight basin
Big damage
vagrant crane
jolted is a build on its own with a few poms
tight basin
It's generally 150-200 free damage with a few poms
potent tree
Hold up. What's wrong with Flood Shot?
icy nacelle
quite literally the best general purpose god in the game
bruv athena gives you divine dash and sure footing and extra DDs and a ton of other stuff
vagrant crane
low base damage but it's nice
vagrant crane
bruv athena gives you divine dash and sure footing and extra DDs and a ton of ot...
athena is not generally applicable
in terms of making you actually kill things
tight basin
bruv athena gives you divine dash and sure footing and extra DDs and a ton of ot...
What you listed is really all what Athena is used for
"A ton of other stuff" isn't really anything lmao
icy nacelle
Hold up. What's wrong with Flood Shot?
the knockback makes you miss
icy nacelle
What you listed is really all what Athena is used for
"A ton of other stuff" isn...
(true)
vagrant crane
that's on you
frozen latch
The thing i hate about floodshot on achilles is it can stuck on a bad bp2 and you kinda helpless for a bit
icy nacelle
that's on you
not when i flurry cast!
potent tree
Flood Shot AOE is huuuuge though. Not sure how you're missing
vagrant crane
yeah that's on you
tight basin
I think they're missing like
Follow up shots with the special
Idk
Knocking them out of range for the next one maybe
vagrant crane
well theres very little reason to take any other core from him
other than flood shot
which still has pretty narrow use case
icy nacelle
other than flood shot
tidal dash isn't core?
vagrant crane
any other core
frozen latch
Tidal dash doesn’t open good duo boons so people take floodshot for that
Even when they don’t use it
icy nacelle
i mean even Tidal Dash isn't good on melee weapons
frozen latch
Namely sea storm
frozen latch
Nemesis dash strike with tdash is a build
icy nacelle
it makes you unnecessarily need to manage your knockback range vs attack range
and i hate when that happens
vagrant crane
still good on fists though
tight basin
Still good but it's more of an adjustment
vagrant crane
my fists pb is tdash start
icy nacelle
oh yeah i sometimes take pos special on talos just for the memes
icy nacelle
it makes you unnecessarily need to manage your knockback range vs attack range
PLUS divine dash outclasses it thanks to deflect
vagrant crane
what
icy nacelle
again, brainless vs using brain
tight basin
They serve different purposes
Tdash is damage ddash is safety
Kinda hard to compare the two tbh
Unless it's like heat
Or speed
vagrant crane
until like 32 or 40 u dont really need ddash for anything
tight basin
Then one is gonna be better than the other
vagrant crane
and even then u can do without
frozen latch
I love how dio dash is also ddash and people just forget about it
tight basin
until like 32 or 40 u dont really need ddash for anything
(assuming non ME build)
vagrant crane
nah dio dash is nasty dash
tight basin
I love how dio dash is also ddash and people just forget about it
That's nasty dash
vagrant crane
but also there is very little reason to ever make reference to nasty dash
so not much of an issue
same with tdash is also thunder dash
fake boon
icy nacelle
wait it's actually Drunken Dash, ha
vagrant crane
nasty dash
proper furnace
Nasty dash is funnier
icy nacelle
i get that
icy nacelle
I love how dio dash is also ddash and people just forget about it
i justt thought that they were calling dio dash "ddash" because dionysus starts with a d
like how we call mistral dash "demdash"
proper furnace
Or "Dem doesn't have a dash"
south sonnet
what should i get for arthur
icy nacelle
people call demeter "dem" bro
vagrant crane
so basically
icy nacelle
smh
vagrant crane
if you want a great arthur build
analog mauve
what should i get for arthur
merciful end
vagrant crane
go to the sixth weapon in the courtyard
select it
press interact
select the third option
now your arthur is very strong
icy nacelle
what should i get for arthur
bronze skin and pray
proper furnace
what should i get for arthur
Brb linking to thegamer post
south sonnet
merciful end
highly doubtful
frozen latch
merciful end
Did you do that for 45
analog mauve
no
frozen latch
Would be based if you did
analog mauve
just aphrodite atack and swing to win
vagrant crane
Brb linking to thegamer post
proper furnace
what should i get for arthur
Stygian Blade: Aspect of Arthur
Poseidon and Zeus
Tempest Strike, Flood Shot, Thunder Dash, Sea Storm
vagrant crane
this is incredible
icy nacelle
https://www.thegamer.com/best-hades-builds-weapons-boons/
is this a reliale source?
proper furnace
As much as lily's rama guide
icy nacelle
i'm sensing sarcasm
analog mauve
that looks as reliable as patty
south sonnet
https://www.thegamer.com/best-hades-builds-weapons-boons/
based on the arthur, it seems interesting
tight basin
is this a reliale source?
The luci build is literally every Athena boon iirc
frozen latch
As much as lily's rama guide
Who is lily?
vagrant crane
Who is lily?
kids these days
frozen latch
I think i’m older than you but fair lmao
south sonnet
The luci build is literally every Athena boon iirc
icy nacelle
The luci build is literally every Athena boon iirc
uh-huh
very reliable
south sonnet
wheres the damage
vagrant crane
it's yoptimal
icy nacelle
south sonnet
i now doubt the arthur even morre
icy nacelle
i mean at least it's not the worst aspect in the game
the damage resistance is unironically great
tight basin
The gamer build website is ass dw about it
icy nacelle
bana where's your guide pinned again?
frozen latch
Is this lily? https://youtu.be/gfebRckMjrk?si=qag2WaX3kswhW0fy
vagrant crane
i mean at least it's not _the_ worst aspect in the game
yeah, there's at least 1 worse aspect
vagrant crane
what
proper furnace
Lmao
tight basin
Eris sucks tbf
proper furnace
Grue
vagrant crane
is this bait
vagrant crane
hades is like 20000x better than arthur
tight basin
hades just has ME lmao
and i guess like range and faster attacks
even tho the atks kinda suck
south sonnet
luci is awesome, from my 1 actual run
vagrant crane
exploding launcher gud
icy nacelle
actually using the spin attack
icy nacelle
exploding launcher gud
bruh just use guan yu
tight basin
i mean yeah you dont use it on hades
vagrant crane
you do
proper furnace
Tfw your aspect isn't at the bottom cuz it can do ME well (sorry gilga)
tight basin
bruh just use guan yu
just because guan yu is better at it doesn't mean you can't do the same with hades spear lmao
vagrant crane
watch alena or something
south sonnet
i mean yeah you dont use it on hades
so the argument has now become a why chaos is good
icy nacelle
just because guan yu is better at it doesn't mean you can't do the same with had...
ok true
icy nacelle
so the argument has now become a why chaos is good
ME chaos
tight basin
i mean yeah ik you use it between waves and whatnot but for the most part you generally just dont in your standard combo
icy nacelle
actually wait is ME chaos feasible?
tight basin
so the argument has now become a why chaos is good
aspect of charged shot
unironicaly
icy nacelle
yea, ffigures
proper furnace
As much as I joke for poor gilga I still wish for a universe where the talos quote didn't apply 
south sonnet
me chaos is just me shield with 0.1 more damage
analog mauve
actually wait is ME chaos feasible?
its how i beat 32 heat with it
vagrant crane
wat
analog mauve
it definitely works why wouldnt it
frozen latch
I mean, anything work at 32 if you are good enough
tight basin
tbf the only reason why chaos took this long to get a sub6 is mostly because non-beo shields just suck for speed
the 15 bonus damage does mean a faster tart for zag shield, but that kinda doesn't change the initial point lmao
tight basin
also chaos was at like a 6:03 so it was definitely in the realm
vagrant crane
clunky attacks and dash strikes
frozen latch
Not if you have pulv blow
icy nacelle
tbf the only reason why chaos took this long to get a sub6 is mostly because non...
wow, zeus has a zub 6 😮
analog mauve
tight basin
wow, zeus has a zub 6 😮
yes and no lmao
vagrant crane
we'll have a recorded one soon
tight basin
it was achieved but baj deleated all his vods so we dont have a recording anymore
vagrant crane
cgull got a 6:03
tight basin
yeah cgull is working on it
icy nacelle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1148397396007600241/...
nice esoul
analog mauve
🙂
frozen latch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1148397396007600241/...
Figured, that’s pulv blow right
tight basin
Not if you have pulv blow
dash strikes still kinda wack on shields
that only fixes one problem and you'd really rather have cshot lmao
frozen latch
You can double proc ME on zeus with pulv blow
icy nacelle
just build true shot on zeus shield, trust
frozen latch
Big damage
analog mauve
Figured, that’s pulv blow right
idk was long ago
i mean probably a month ago
i play this game for like 3-4 month
tight basin
You can double proc ME on zeus with pulv blow
your pace before you get ME will suck
you need cshot for a better early game time
and it's still good after you get ME
vagrant crane
this was my chaos 40 build https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1133878918584205352/IMG_1546.jpg?ex=6542c808&is=65305308&hm=48c79eac715243a5920ff1e38916ef82ae716c01d32ee27333c45c6727b4b399&=&width=935&height=701
analog mauve
i did ME, because i was losing on time without it
icy nacelle
wait WHAT https://imgur.com/hF5FDdp
vagrant crane
yeah?
frozen latch
CF2 is bait
vagrant crane
simple 32 if you can do it is just
south sonnet
this was my chaos 40 build https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506...
excellent build showcasing the benefits of chaos
vagrant crane
hl5 lc4 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 td3
icy nacelle
hl5 lc4 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 td3
that's extreme
frozen latch
Hl5 fo2 💀
vagrant crane
if you already have 32 that's the easiest thing to do
that might be 36 though
idek
same thing
analog mauve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1148397396007600241/...
i mean this should be a reasonable pact
tight basin
to be fair
analog mauve
i think i just use banan guide for m pact
vagrant crane
yeah thats 36
tight basin
you need cf2 for the hl5 pact for 32 heat
so you kinda can't get around it for that
unless you wanna take dc2 or something
south sonnet
i dont follow any pacts because im slow😎
frozen latch
Hl4 fo1 then
vagrant crane
im usually doing hl5 lc4 em3 bp1 uc fo2 hs td3 though
frozen latch
Should be 32
tight basin
cf isn't that bad but like you can lose out on stuff you normally wouldn't have to
tight basin
wait WHAT https://imgur.com/hF5FDdp
tbf i should probably elaborate on this like "you'll be less likelty to be able to afford a core god, pom, or heart"
vagrant crane
what are you not taking td3 for
tight basin
"ddon't take CF2" is only for td3 pacts
if you dont take td3 you have to take cf2 because you need to make up the 3 heat
icy nacelle
what are you not taking td3 for
i'm not tthat good and i get anxiety when tthe timer is low
vagrant crane
timer doesnt need to be low
frozen latch
if you dont take td3 you *have* to take cf2 because you need to make up the 3 he...
Em4 mentality
vagrant crane
timer doesnt need to be low
south sonnet
what are you not taking td3 for
im just too slow
my previous 2 runs have been 17 minutes
frozen latch
im just too slow
my previous 2 runs have been 17 minutes
You can use this
That’s my arthur 32, take em4 then
vagrant crane
?
south sonnet
idk the thumbnail just appeared:widecharon3:
icy nacelle
That’s my arthur 32, take em4 then
no no no
never take em4
it's the second worst thing to take after hs1, isn't it?
vagrant crane
wat
icy nacelle
yes i'm ranking ri and ap below it
vagrant crane
em4 is worse than hs
icy nacelle
em4 is worse than hs
sure, why not
i'm comfortable with putting em4 as the worst thing ever
icy nacelle
you do lose DD and SD yeah
frozen latch
Em4 without fo is not that hard
Since most of the time dad just walking around like an idiot
icy nacelle
holyyyy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
phalanx shot is terrible!
my GOD it's as bad as i remember it
ewwww
i don't care how much more damage it deals, it never hits anything! especially when bp2 & fo2 are active!
asphodel was actual hell, and i'm so scared of Elysium now
icy nacelle
Probably take practice to use it
it's just not fun D:
tight basin
Get closer to them maybe
icy nacelle
my god i just got a room full of armored chariots with that speed buff AND the AoE Damage Control effect from bp2, and armored flame wheels with the same speed buff AND teleportation
it was hell inside another hell to try to hit them with anything
let alone something as slow as phalanx shot
they almost took a dd from me
THIS IS AT FREAKING 16 HEAT!
if i'm struggling this much at 16 heat with phalanx, hell naw i ain't taking it to 32 heat
icy nacelle
my god i just got a room full of armored chariots with that speed buff AND the A...
true shot would've cleared these with little problem
analog mauve
i dont see what true shot can do better than phalanx
icy nacelle
i dont see what true shot can do better than phalanx
it actually homes in on them despite the teleportation
tight basin
Wait after the teleport to cast
Their initial teleport happens near the start of first aggro
Then it'll take a bit before they teleport again
analog mauve
you can point blank the cast since it deflects anyway
vagrant crane
or just be kinda close
tight basin
Also true
icy nacelle
you can point blank the cast since it deflects anyway
not with the chariot speed buff i cannot
analog mauve
why not
vagrant crane
dont double dash to get to them then
icy nacelle
i can't stand close to them, they hit me
analog mauve
they come to you you dont even have to aim
icy nacelle
oh yeah, true shot also curves behind Greatshields and Theseus
makes them easier to deal with
vagrant crane
https://youtu.be/NGNllpxmrpA?t=1053 true shot dad on achilles
https://youtu.be/zZg_EjKr1uE?t=973 phalanx dad on achilles
tight basin
oh yeah, true shot also curves behind Greatshields and Theseus
It pierces shields not go around iirc
But also like
True shot doesn't do nearly enough meaningful damage to them
And you have to get behind them to get your stones back anyways with pos sword
So you're not really getting around the problem you're kinda delaying it tbf
vagrant crane
https://youtu.be/yC6kpCFiodk?t=920 better phalanx example
icy nacelle
And you have to get behind them to get your stones back anyways with pos sword
yeah but getting behind them 1 time is easier than getting there up to 5 (assuming 4 cast stones) times
frozen latch
<https://youtu.be/NGNllpxmrpA?t=1053> true shot dad on achilles
<https://youtu.b...
No rod make me sad
tight basin
yeah but getting behind them 1 time is easier than getting there up to 5 (assumi...
You only have to get there like twice for casts
Greatshield shield slam gives you a lot of time to get behind them
icy nacelle
plus you're killing a greatshield with 4 true shots anyway
tight basin
Their swing gives a bit less time but it's doable
tight basin
plus you're killing a greatshield with 4 true shots anyway
Idk about that without crits tbh
I'm pretty sure true shot pom scaling sucks so it doesn't get to a good damage number
analog mauve
ur killing a greatsheild with 2 phalanx
vagrant crane
yea it does
icy nacelle
Idk about that without crits tbh
well it's very rare to NOT get at least 1 crit
vagrant crane
4 true shots 🗿
tight basin
10% chance on 4 casts isn't that high is it
strange lark
well it's very rare to NOT get at least 1 crit
10% crit chance
vagrant crane
phalanx will 1 hit a greatshield with decent juice
icy nacelle
I'm pretty sure true shot pom scaling sucks so it doesn't get to a good damage n...
its first few poms give it a significant boost tho
also rarity does matter here, i think
tight basin
I mean that's with everything
tight basin
vagrant crane
where is the name lol
icy nacelle
ur killing a greatsheild with 2 phalanx
yeah i just didn't kill one with 3 at lvl 5 pshot
granted it was armored
but still
tight basin
where is the name lol
I had to go back a lot to get the graph so it's probably an older version
Bruh that's because it's armored
vagrant crane
granted it was armored
bro
tight basin
True shot wouldn't do much better unless you get all crits
vagrant crane
is this bait
tight basin
Jazz what's the hp for a greatshield
rustic rune
probably dum beowulf build question but must ask anyways. so im typically running mirage shot on it but i find that i do better with artemis on cast than poseidon. does flood flare really do more damage?
tight basin
I'm on phone so lazy
strange lark
probably dum beowulf build question but must ask anyways. so im typically runnin...
yeah
rustic rune
the flood flare also pushes back enemies so some of the latter pops of damage don't even hit the enemies
strange lark
flood flare doesnt have much knockback
vagrant crane
650
strange lark
does it even proc sea storm
vagrant crane
it doesnt
lol
flood flare knockback only matters if the enemy is realllllly on the edge of the flare
tight basin
the flood flare also pushes back enemies so some of the latter pops of damage do...
Flood flare only makes you miss the next casts if the enemy was at the very very edge of the first radius
rustic rune
must experiment further. artie on cast carried me to my first 32 heat so a bit biased there
vagrant crane
true shot is so bad lol
tight basin
and hunters flare is tiny and worse base damage
Isn't the damage difference between flood and hunter flare like 1 rarity or something
vagrant crane
it's 5 base damage at common but that affects pom scaling a lot
tight basin
It's pretty similar but flood is just better to use in general
vagrant crane
rare lvl5 flood is 164 while hunter is 147
tight basin
it's 5 base damage at common but that affects pom scaling a lot
Wasn't there that screenshot of like lvl 5 cast or something and they had similar damage numbers on replace
rustic rune
duly noted. i'll do a couple runs with flood
analog mauve
i think hunter flare means u put pos on something dumb like speical
tight basin
Yeah
analog mauve
with flood flare u can use artemis on atakc
tight basin
That's another downside
Pos cores suck for beo other than cast
Everything is a dud for pos
Or harmful
rustic rune
wow it dawns on me that i've been rather terrible at utilizing beo lol
tight basin
Beo can be a bit tough at first
rustic rune
i think hunter flare means u put pos on something dumb like speical
so what i did is do this, hopefully have razor shoals on spec and something on attack to trigger privileged status
that and praying to rngesus for crits
proper furnace
priv status with artemis 
tight basin
And that's why we don't use pstatus lol
Beo special should not be touched after Tartarus
Or just not used at all
Also flood with shoals would've worked better for pstatus lmfao
rustic rune
forgive the humble lizard brain for being tickled by beeg number haha
proper furnace
just use fam favs
analog mauve
with hunter mark on attack you can still get crits
proper furnace
the 15% dmg loss won't be noticed
tight basin
If you really wanted big beo numbers use trippy flare and get mirage shot
And like at least 2 more casts with stygian soul
rustic rune
i like going for trippy occasionally, but i find it's a bit slower than pos or artie
analog mauve
what weapo
icy nacelle
pos sword
analog mauve
i will try
rustic rune
that doesn't sound TOO bad
icy nacelle
i will try
to be fair i didn't get lightning phalanx
analog mauve
dont need it really
frozen latch
Looking back, his pact is really hard
Healing is so little for the amount of obols you spent
Kinda like American healthcare
icy nacelle
i'm going to give phalanx shot one more try at 17 heat
maybe this time i'll get LPhalanx
tight basin
i like going for trippy occasionally, but i find it's a bit slower than pos or a...
It's just very rng dependent
It's a slow early game until you get more casts from chaos, if you even get that option
If you get more casts and mirage shot, your late game can be hella fast
Also considering pom bug stacking with mirage shot lol
vagrant crane
just did one (1) phalanx run
each cast did about 900 damage
i'd like to see that on true shot
tight basin
Sounds like Rd damage
tight basin
Wait I forgot pos has a 50% boost lmao
vagrant crane
so basically
from the very start
phalanx clears rooms with ultimate ease
now true shot here is miserable
tight basin
Chaos then?
vagrant crane
one common shot
vagrant crane
it was mirage
tight basin
Oh bruh lmao
vagrant crane
and also 2 braids lol
but it still did 740 per after they wore off
yea no true shot sucks
eager flint
each true shot can also do 900 damage in late game if you just roll the crit every time
tight basin
True
tight basin
not on cast builds
It's fine for filler but not like an overall build yeah
eager flint
but on any build that isn't "flood flare/lightning phalanx/crush hera goes brrr" I'm always happy to get it
proper furnace
tbh I do quite like true shot
yeah zag cast is good
tight basin
big boom
eager flint
what's the true shot equivalent of this
greater recall, flurry cast, OS every foe by just getting crits 100% of the time, ez
vagrant crane
eager flint
I feel like there has to be a way to bully A&T with true shot too
tight basin
true shot isn't aoe
vagrant crane
one at a time 🗿
tight basin
so you quite physically cannot do that lmao
eager flint
they're just "show of your build being dumb" couple
tight basin
lightning phalanx and beo are the big "kill the heroes" builds lmao
yes beo is a build
eager flint
anywho I like true shot and y'all will never be able to take it away from me è_é
still not gonna build it on a cast aspect
well, actually I'll try just for science
emphasis on "try"
vagrant crane
eager flint
y'know at that point you have to wonder if meg isn't just losing time because of the animation
vagrant crane
animation is rta only
tight basin
meg is 2500 damage on each i'd say that it's pretty important lmao
eager flint
also RTA is an unethical category because you don't greet the good shade
vagrant crane
but its a habit and doesnt hurt
tight basin
~~also RTA is an unethical category because you don't greet the good shade~~
if you end a close enough to the red shade you can get the quote before you leave lmao
icy nacelle
ok phalanx shot might be bad
tight basin
lmao
vagrant crane
dawg
tight basin
sounds like lack of practice
vagrant crane
phalanx is still really good without lp
icy nacelle
definitely
LPhalanx makes up for it
jesus
it's so good
my god
yup yup yup
LPhalanx is such an upgrade
tight basin
good duo boon is good
icy nacelle
it's as much of an upgrade as from Crystal Beam to Crystal Clarity
icy nacelle
good duo boon is good
like for all the times i've defended the True Shot build
this starts off way worse but ends up being better
i'm still scared of Asphodel tho
tight basin
i think it starting off way worse is a user thing lmao
icy nacelle
i think it starting off way worse is a user thing lmao
look, fair enough
icy nacelle
i did clear 8 minutes faster this time tho
icy nacelle
it can't just be me
tight basin
true shot's only benefit is that it homes and can crit
it's pretty eh damage unless you get the 10% chance to crit
but it's like
big main thing is that you can kinda just let it do whatever and you dont care how much damage it does because it shouldn't be your main source of damage
the best use case for true shot is an easier time to apply boiling blood
icy nacelle
the best use case for true shot is an easier time to apply boiling blood
with Stygian Soul, yes
it's unmatched for that, on non-cast builds
tight basin
it doesnt matter if you have stygian or not for boiling blood
if you have infernal soul it's the same thing
analog mauve
i like it on guns because aiming cast is hurd
tight basin
a cast build around true shot is going to be inherently weak because true shot is weak
analog mauve
tell to haeliena
icy nacelle
look, my brain equates "infernal soul = cast build" and "stygian soul = not cast build"
so i use them interchangably, which might be confusing
tight basin
i use infernal soul on everything because i'm too lazy to change it lmao
south sonnet
i only use infernal because my brain cant keep track of stygian
icy nacelle
but we all know who the most useless god is
tight basin
dem
icy nacelle
Hypnos
icy nacelle
me too but he's literally useless lmao
vagrant crane
most useless god is actually dem
south sonnet
i used to love nourished, then i experienced lc4 and now i never take it
icy nacelle
i used to love nourished, then i experienced lc4 and now i never take it<:bouldy...
i mean
anyway, now it's time to try Merciful End pos sword
tight basin
ME and cod on pos sword would go hard tbf
that sounds mega based i should do that instead of practicing beo
icy nacelle
what's cod again?
Curse of D-
oh Drowning
ew
why
you can't retrieve them, can you?
vagrant crane
it’s decent supplemental damage on Me
tight basin
it's decent for a supplemental duo after you get ME tho yeah
icy nacelle
hmmm
tight basin
on pos sword it'd better because of the 50% cast damage
icy nacelle
i just upgraded nemesis to max level actually
i could try it with that
or zag sword
tight basin
and cod scales better if you get rd instead of + dashes from hermes so that's neat
it's still eh but like
it exists lmao
analog mauve
zagsword flurry for max gameing
icy nacelle
LMAO
3rd boon
i have ME
3rd boon
now watch me never get divine dash
nvm 5th boon is divine dash
4th boon is GoatReflex
icy nacelle
ok i knew this was too good to bbe true
my controller isn't accepting inputs
massive input delay
i've already lost two DDs
ugh
i beat him but i have a question
does the sword attack have a -uh- cooldown or something for dashing afterwards?
like i dash strike, and try to dash away again
and it doesn't happen
tight basin
if you have an extra dash then it should be fine
tight basin
actually there might be like a slight delay for like the dash strike animation to actually go through but it should be relatively short
it should still happen if that makes sense
icy nacelle
actually there might be like a slight delay for like the dash strike animation t...
well however short it is, it's enough to throw me off
nothing a little practice can't fix
icy nacelle
i'm too used to dashing with Hestia
because Hestia does nothing of the sort
you can spam attack-reload-dash
in a single moment
tight basin
yeah im pretty sure it's just straight up like
getting the dash strike out if anything that has a delay
"delay"
it's basically instantly back
hybrid pivot
so i have this question, which fists aspect should i get talos or demeter?
vagrant crane
assuming you're going by aspect strength
hybrid pivot
the better one
also i am planning to get rama/chiron bow, zeus shield and lucifer rail
hybrid pivot
i played mostly with sword so i am changing a bit
and later i may get gilgamesh fists
unreal merlin
also i am planning to get rama/chiron bow, zeus shield and lucifer rail
Chiron is a favourite among a lot of people
The special is really good at applying intox, so that’s the general build strategy
Some don’t like it, but it definitely carried me in my first playthrough of the game
south sonnet
"carry" is a massive overstatement
tight basin
i mean it works fine for early game and like casual play
it's still good and it works
easy to build and you can get results
just because it sucks meta wise and is the worst bow doesn't mean it's unusable at every level of the game
any aspect can carry early game wins
and like clear 32 heat pretty easily
waxen dragon
I tried Demeter aspect fist and got through but was torn between using lightning + static discharge or hangover attack + nausea. Which is better? I got through with the latter but unsure if the lightning one could have been better
Good build for the hidden fist aspect?
eager flint
I'd say Zeus attack is probably better but honestly both are really good
waxen dragon
I was trying to figure out how to play Demeter aspect, sounds like dashing in and out to build the special attack and then trying to special without getting interrupted is tricky
Maybe I needed trippy shot to stun before I can do the special
vagrant crane
I tried Demeter aspect fist and got through but was torn between using lightning...
zeus attack
dio attack is not very nice to use on fists
it’ll work at high heat if u need consistency but it’s just not as good damage and scales much more poorly
with other boons
eager flint
I was trying to figure out how to play Demeter aspect, sounds like dashing in an...
Remember the dash special is much faster than standing special, for only a slight decrease in damage. Still does more damage overall since, y'know, you can actually hit with it.
Also there are plenty of hammers that make special stronger/easier to use
south sonnet
aph attack on nem right?
tight basin
aphro atk is nice for like one shotting tart witches
without double edge
but yeah arty can work too
south sonnet
cope wave
opaque mason
ok so i was just working on getting all the duo boons when i realized i came across something super good
basically, dionysus cast, zeus dash, demeter call
dionysus+demeter duo
zeus+dionysus duo
double strike
zeus+demeter duo
killing freeze
greatest reflex
vagrant crane
hmmmmmm
opaque mason
i was at 0 death defiance uses left by ASPHODEL and didn't buy a kiss of styx for the entire run, and i still got to the end
i would send footage but my recording is over 500 mb in its current state
south sonnet
ok so i was just working on getting all the duo boons when i realized i came acr...
missing the trippy related boons
it wouldve been funnier with artic blast as well
eager flint
Common mistake (that I made a lot) but Dem/Zeus duo is really not that impactful when you're blasting five thousands bolts per second. Jolted will be reapplied continually anyway.
But yeah ice wine + scintillating feast is awesome
south sonnet
just have budget feast(luci thunder flourish but the balls dont break from the boon)
eager flint
It does get better with black out or splitting bolt or other boons
eager flint
just have budget feast(luci thunder flourish but the balls dont break from the b...
How do you make the balls not break out ?
south sonnet
- mods
- i think the balls dont break if the enemies are really far away
south sonnet
the reason the balls break is because thunder flourish triggers from a normal pulse, then hits an enemy and the ball, resulting in the ball getting destroyed
eager flint
I mean, the pulses are not that big, right ? I'm not sure you can consistently hit enemies without hitting the ball
south sonnet
i think the pulse radius is slightly larger than the thunder flourish radius, though that usually only results in 1 more activation of thunder flourish because enemies just run into the balls when there arent enough
vagrant crane
yes
mild lark
what are some spear builds that i can use to farm titen bloods by playing each heat?
i only have the spear left and my heat is at 1. what are the builds that i can use to farm up titan blood by slowly increasing my heats
real ledge
When would you want ||Demeter|| as core boons? Normally I just pick cast if I don't know what else I want for it. Other than that, I don't really know when to utilize ||her|| boons
potent tree
Almost never ever, at least from what I've seen from speed and heat runners
That said, it probably isn't too bad to take her boons in casual play while using moderately slow, hard-hitting weapons
The dash though...bleh
real ledge
I'm not speed runner. Never into that thing
eager flint
Dem is mostly a cope pick for when you don't get aphro or athena
Or if you want ice wine I guess
real ledge
Feel like she just had to be in cause she's Zagrius' grandma while the dev having no idea what to do with her
tight basin
It's kinda hard to justify using her cores when Aphrodite exists lmao
Demeter has better support boons tho
eager flint
I mean, the whole cold and harvest thing makes sense thematically and gameplay wise too
tight basin
Nourished soul, rav will, snow burst
eager flint
I do wish chill and maybe the damage % were a bit better
It's the same as Athena iirc, but deflect is so much stronger than chill
Also her duos suck
Crystal clarity is strong but needs you to get into a bad build, there's really only ice wine I would qualify as good
frozen latch
Nourished soul, rav will, snow burst for LC4 enjoyer 💀
eager flint
Speaking of
Small rant
But I dislike how LC4 invalidates so many things
It almost forces stubborn defiance, makes nourished soul and the healing well items useless, and makes second mirror talent useless
frozen latch
when you're good enough, you don't need SD too
not sure LC4 and SD interaction was intentional
eager flint
when you're good enough, you don't need SD too<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
when you're
goodheat is low enough, you don't need SD too
ftfy (but with bonus grammatical error)
vagrant crane
they mean ri4
carmine stag
Hey: For the railgun, is it possible to have both the upgrade that increases ammo by 6 and firing rate goes up by like: 50%, AND also Spread fire? Or are those 2 incompatible?
Nevermind, looked on the wiki.
eager flint
Pretty sure they are incompatible, but the zag aspect does give you 12 ammo, making spread fire incredible
carmine stag
Yea.
I like Zag aspect of Rail the most ofr that reason.
I don't use 4th aspect.
Go rapid fire and get flat damage like Zeus, or go for Scatter with something like Arty or Aphrodite.
Also: By not constantly reloading, my DPS is higher overall.
uncut sparrow
haven’t played in a while, what’s the best aspects for all the weapons?
i’m running nemesis on sword and hades on spear
vagrant crane
nemesis, achilles, beowulf, hera/rama, demeter, eris/hestia
hades is the worst aspect of spear
uncut sparrow
dang really?
uncut sparrow
now i need to remember how to unlock the secret aspects
loud crystal
any fun builds i can try out?
dapper harness
meme beam on Achilles
loud crystal
meme beam on Achilles
MEME BEAM???
dapper harness
dem cast + glacial glare + crystal clarity(dem+arti duo boon)
with stygian soul(mirror)
and hope your chaos rng is good
loud crystal
k thanks
is this the build? https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/lhnkp7/the_meme_beam_dream/
azure bloom
dang really?
Whilst u spend hours winding up the spin thry cab hit u
and your spin is interrupted if u take dmg
And the dmg is abysmal
polar python
is this the build? https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/lhnkp7/the_mem...
I just noticed the 7 casts 😁
Only missing Mirage Shot.
analog mauve
polar python
Haha. Perfect then.
normal vigil
what good rama build
polar python
Big crits.
normal vigil
ok
polar python
Personally I go Aphrodite attach and Artemis special and look for Hunters Mark.
vagrant crane
dont do that
polar python
Or Pressure Points
polar python
I like big crits and I cannot lie.
tight basin
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
Thanks MiKE
carmine stag
So; 4th aspect Bow.
proper furnace
Read 2 messages above you
vagrant crane
4 actually
carmine stag
oh huh, how conveinent.
vagrant crane
no i'm gonna paste it again
uneven basalt
I looked at its description once, decided that it’s too confusing and returned to zag fists plume…
vagrant crane
new person new paste
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
vagrant crane
I looked at its description once, decided that it’s too confusing and returned t...
its pretty shrimple
proper furnace
I looked at its description once, decided that it’s too confusing and returned t...
Tl;dr is grab good % attack, flat dmg special, take twin/triple shot and perfect/point blank
uneven basalt
What would q be (I play on console)
vagrant crane
q
uneven basalt
Q?
analog mauve
special
uneven basalt
Thank you
eager flint
It's a pretty annoying placement, speaking of. Putting it on a 3rd mouse button was one of the best thing I ever did
Same with reload
It's on E or R normally
vagrant crane
default binds r fine
eager flint
Nah they ain't
potent tree
R is kinda far for such a fast-paced game tbf
vagrant crane
works fine for me
hollow pier
had delta chamber on eris for the first time, it's good
eager flint
Jazz built different
She has like 8 fingers in each hand
Now that I think about it I wonder if there are cases of polydactyly that helps with gaming or other somewhat dexterous activities
carmine stag
Hades is so fast-paced for me I can't play it on a KB+M Compared to Bastion]
potent tree
She has like 8 fingers in each hand
Good ol' jazz "squidhands"
south sonnet
Hades is so fast-paced for me I can't play it on a KB+M Compared to Bastion]
i find it to be a little slow as opposed to other games i play(deltarune, hollow knight[with pale court mod], dead cells)
until i bring in the fo2+em4
strange lark
here how i do it https://youtu.be/-Iaqa-2zSLw?si=JcfHVPpn5Abzee9Q
imagine not doing mouse only
vagrant crane
Grue
south sonnet
epic space dash(i dont use space at all)
strange lark
🗿
tight basin
I don't dash at all
steady forge
im glad im not the only one that uses space for dash
south sonnet
I don't dash at all
new strat for avoiding dad and crusher waves:
spearpoint and base iframes
steady forge
has anyone else tried to 100% hades?
strange lark
ive done it
steady forge
when i say 100% i mean unlock everything including all ranks maxing everything from aspects to keepstakes to buyin everything from the contractor to everything
doin all bounties to 20
strange lark
yeah ive done it
steady forge
oh nice
im workin on it rn myself
just mainly need the ranks and a couple other things then ill be finished
vagrant crane
yeah ive done it
do u have unseen one
strange lark
yeah
vagrant crane
why do u hate itself
vagrant crane
i wonder if i’ve gotten enough for it in total
i don’t think speedrunning is very efficient resource gathering
steady forge
im about 600 hrs into it rn
potent tree
Don't forget about finding out who ||hired Skelly||!
steady forge
i don’t think speedrunning is very efficient resource gathering
just grind chaos for gem/darkness mult and then go after the gem/darkness rooms
buy chaos gates at the well of charon whenever possible
vagrant crane
i am not gonna take eclipse and the bad blue laurels on purpose
i will however be buying the ix
steady forge
the best ive gotten in one run was like 391% mult
which id say is pretty good ngl
was like 4 diff eclipse boons
south sonnet
i have yet to care much for darkness
i might eventually when i start finally gifting to hypnos
steady forge
nice
tight basin
i don’t think speedrunning is very efficient resource gathering
You are forced to pick up darkness from bosses lmao
So like that's something at least
But yeah darkness grinding is a slog and I don't plan on ever doing it
eager flint
I still don't understand why heat doesn't give a darkness multiplier
polar python
There's a mod for that if you're on pc
It's not a bad idea tbh. A few percent more per heat level.
eager flint
Oh yeah, I've seen this mod. Not sure if I'll install it because I don't really mind not getting unseen one/that one custodian theme
But it just seems obvious to me, so I'm surprised why the devs didn't put it in
wintry portal
is possible for chaos to not show up at all in a run?
lucid oar
Yeah
wintry portal
thx
I got alot of big rooms and didnt hear their sound, hapens quite often.
started to doubt my ears 😅
eager flint
Chaos does a little bit of trolling
eager flint
Poseidon cast, Arte attack or special, mirage shot
Done
And then you just spam chaos and wells to get bonus cast damage and bloodstones
normal vigil
ok
icy nacelle
i didn't know rama can get rvolley
surreal stratus
Today, I decided to pick up Lucifer Rail and take Dio into Tartarus instead of Zeus, try to consciously play something other than a Sea Storm build
Ended up finding Poseidon and Zeus and getting Sea Storm before hitting Asphodel
🤷🏾♀️
viscid bolt
I haven’t found a sword build that’s fun.
I read online that heart rend is the way to go, but it doesn’t feel like it’s chunking or clearing as fast as I wanted
potent tree
Are ya dash-striking, son?
viscid bolt
I’m bringing all the weapons from 10->20 heat. Bow and shield are done and they both felt fun
Yeah I’ve been dashing and I’ve tried Artemis on attack and aphro on attack and neither felt as good
I tried chaos boons to increase dmg and getting Artemis dash too. It just feels like a low ceiling
viscid bolt
It’s working, don’t get me wrong. But feels slow and steady and not flashy
viscid bolt
u need double edge for damage
I guess I’m 0/8 on being offered that ☠️
potent tree
That's despite the dash-strike*2 + special rotation?
Double Edge does literally double your damage, but it still shouldn't feel too bad without
lucid oar
Nah its pretty bad without it
vagrant crane
i think though our standards are higher for damage
potent tree
Oh jazz, you never fail to make me laugh LOL
lucid oar
ME with no hammer is magnitudes better
viscid bolt
What’s ME?
Is dash dash special just the rotation because that’s how long the buff lasts or is there a difference in damage from some combo ?
lucid oar
You special inbetween dashes because its something to do while your dashes are on cooldown
You could also cast, but specialling has aoe and keeps the buff up
ME is merciful end, ares athena duo boon
surreal stratus
Honestly the sword gameplay being so linear while being very middling in damage makes it the most boring weapon by far 😭
I ended up playing Arthur for my sword bounties.
analog mauve
me too
vagrant crane
tfw arthur is the most boring one
analog mauve
no you
tight basin
tmw fun is subjective
vagrant crane
https://youtu.be/42tINkBImrc new alecto zeus record
surreal stratus
tfw arthur is the most boring one
How? You can do more than dashspam lmao
vagrant crane
thats literally what arthur is
tight basin
jazz is a hardcore speedrunner and does not consider other people's perception of the game
so to maximize speed and damage, best arthur gameplay is basically only dash striking
surreal stratus
ahhh gotcha
tight basin
with double edge
surreal stratus
ty ty
potent tree
jazz is that one sad sonic meme LOL
surreal stratus
helpful context
analog mauve
i will do arthur for sword 50
surreal stratus
Yeah I don't go above 25 heat and I like Arthur because it lets me cosplay Ike from SSB
analog mauve
ri2 fre
vagrant crane
have u considered instead not doing sword 50
tight basin
true
vagrant crane
sword sux
analog mauve
yea but i have to
tight basin
all aspects 50 when
surreal stratus
Is Zag spear 50 even possible or would you break your controller from sheer rage halfway through Tartarus 🤔
tight basin
it's been done
vagrant crane
unmodded zagspear 50 is easy after u get the hammer lol
analog mauve
it is just achilles iwthout cast right
tight basin
yeah more or less
vagrant crane
no
tight basin
except you dont get the special either
vagrant crane
it's achilles without 150% additive on attack
tight basin
so you can't zoom around rooms and you dont have the 150% additive
vagrant crane
u cant rlly get a good cast at high heat
analog mauve
any cast pommed is okayish
analog mauve
em4 50 with crystal clarity 👍 👍
tight basin
just get it tbh
surreal stratus
Is Demeter or Zag considered the best fist aspect?
potent tree
Demeter is the best DPS
surreal stratus
I suspected, but wondered if I was undervaluing the dodge chance
tight basin
It's not bad, but it just doesn't provide any dps
Plume zag fist is a thing if you're okay not using other keepsakes
surreal stratus
Anyone have any tips on how best to get used to Gilgamesh dash timings?
I feel like even with an extra dash, I find myself stuck with dashes on cooldown or trapped in attack animation
proper furnace
I just mash and pray
gilga higher cooldown is pain
also most of us aren't gilga experts 
surreal stratus
Do I just give up Ruthless and work with four dashes
proper furnace
so is that answer or not play gilga
surreal stratus
also most of us aren't gilga experts <:dusa:522248771409543188>
No one's a Gilga expert 😭
proper furnace
ruthless works great
surreal stratus
Most hated least-covered aspect for real
proper furnace
best option would be look at cherry's runs in speedrun.com
they are like the gilga player
surreal stratus
thanks!
biggest thing I'm getting from this is to stop spamming the dash-special as much as I do LMAO
potent tree
Definitely. Standing strikes are so much stronger on Gilgamesh 😦
Unless maybe ME, of course
south sonnet
i just hold attack and dash
tight basin
thanks!
cherry also has a gilga tech playlist if you wanna look into that, although it might be geared towards speedrunning
surreal stratus
Good RR tips tbh
raw field
For a merciful end build, do I use the athena or the ares keepsake?
proper furnace
anything that can dash strike fast really
fists being the most obvious one
sword can use it/somewhat spear/rail
zeus shield works
raw field
thanks
vagrant crane
basically
oh if you have blood
level up zeus once or twice
start with zeus keepsake
take the special
boom
good build
mental fjord
and like 2-3 nectars I can get some keepsakes
lean hornet
I found chaos fun but it’s not too good
vagrant crane
and then just search for more zeus boons
static discharge, double strike, aid, etc
mental fjord
I'd like to clear the game once with that build. Got to || hades second form 15%Hp|| with random rng build lol
noted, will go Zeus way 😄
ty
vagrant crane
zeus^2
round umbra
are triple shot and chain shot decent together? Like, can you hit two targets and have those two arrows bounce to the other? Chain seems to pair with most okay.
tight basin
i mean it's certainly not bad lmao
it's not like you're trying to line up enemies with triple shot so it's not bad
it's more of an "issue" with twin, especially on rama, but it's still like fine
frozen latch
What the problem with twin chain rama, I’ve just instaphased normal theseus without even trying with it
tight basin
on rama you're more likely to line up shots than on zag bow
vagrant crane
the issue with twin chain is that it makes ur arrow look weird
tight basin
but like it's not that big of a problem it's just like you could get more value out of twin by itself but it's not like chain is that harmful
the charging thingy does get a bit weird tho
since you can't judge a power shot by length anymore, you have to go more by sound/feeling
frozen latch
since you can't judge a power shot by length anymore, you have to go more by sou...
I’ve already done that anyway, explain why I kinda like it
Melt elysium so fast but useless at dad
tight basin
tbf if you are power shotting by muscle memory, the charge length thingy doesn't really matter that much
it is great in ely tho
loud crystal
any fun builds?
loud crystal
whats a good crystal beam build?
vagrant crane
using a different cast
if ur set on it do achilles
and get artemis/demeter duo
and use stygian soul in mirror
with demeter t2 glacial glare
loud crystal
ive done the hunting blades and i just wanna try something new