oh my god this is SO much better!
#h1-builds-and-combat
proper furnace
Dc0 moment
uneven basalt
I’m convinced that you need nothing more than any attack boon on fists and dem cast to get through asphodel with 0 worries at all
icy nacelle
okkkk this new run is going way more smoothly
i just got 2 Poms, Urge to Kill, and Ravenous Will from 4 consecutive rooms
and i just got Snow Burst lmaooo
- extra Chaos Cast
proper furnace
Gaming
analog mauve
with splitting headache
can your summon crit'?
because it says your foes are more likely to receive crit dmg
analog mauve
proper furnace
It doesn't
analog mauve
oh
proper furnace
analog mauve
i guess that is something dumb
proper furnace
I asked this a long while ago lmao
analog mauve
wow that is long ago
icy nacelle
does bull rush still block attacks when i take this hammer?
proper furnace
No
icy nacelle
thanks
icy nacelle
oh
i see
yeah i was asking about the block
WHY DID I JUST DEAL 660 DMG BEFORE THE CASTS
holy
this is as good as you say it is
proper furnace
tight basin
Eris quite literally got divine protection and I'm pretty sure epic dashes from Hermes lmao
Rama was just kinda a good player and a few lucky boons, also an extra dash from Hermes in c35
Eris is really just get the boons™️
Rama is literally "git gud" lmao
grand zenith
That’s how u get Exclusive Access?
proper furnace
Dio + pos cores yeah
grand zenith
Dio + pos cores yeah
Ahhh, thanks!
proper furnace
Someone hasn't checked the codex 
grand zenith
Someone hasn't checked the codex <:squirtheh:456913427563282433>
:/
proper furnace
Rip
tight basin
you dont need mirage shot for beo to be strong
it's still good damage without it lmao
tight basin
you can quite literally buy your build on beowulf
proper furnace
Double braid kinda mirage
tight basin
for 40 bucks you can have mirage for 6 encounters
proper furnace
Meanwhile both jerkies are more expensive and matter less
frozen latch
I once stack 2 jerky and patty jerky with rama
I think I 3 hit heros, both of them phased
icy nacelle
so i never got mirage shot
but
still
this run was only ~1 minute faster than my average Zeus Shield run
tight basin
big boom moment
icy nacelle
i think i'm doing something wrong
tight basin
are you dash striking into your rushes
icy nacelle
yes ofc
icy nacelle
i didn't have hyper sprint so i had to dash strike
tight basin
pathing
tight basin
i didn't have hyper sprint so i had to dash strike
well its more like
you have to dash strike into the rush because it's faster than just a normal standing strike
also enemy grouping and pathing matter more on beo because you have casts to manage
proper furnace
How was your dmg?
icy nacelle
adjusting charged shots to mobile enemies turned out to be so much harder than unhammered bull rushes
proper furnace
Also rooms
tight basin
with zeus they still matter but cast management is kinda rough at start
proper furnace
Rooms can make any op build take ages
icy nacelle
How was your dmg?
after i got charged shot i started missing casts, a LOT
tight basin
that's kinda just a practice thing lmao
i wouldn't say that's a fault of cshot or beo or whatever
icy nacelle
i blame cshot tbh
tight basin
cshot makes beowulf a whole lot easier to play and use
and a lot stronger
and faster
tight basin
where's the clip with the clown music
proper furnace
icy nacelle
i gott charged shot well into Elysium
tight basin
beo without asphodel moment lmfao
icy nacelle
in Chamber 28, actually
i remember that because i fought the Bull in Chamber 30 right after that
and he kicked my ass for a while
until i remembered how to block his head charges
frozen latch
I blame mod for making me suck at bull
tight basin
well em3 still exists
frozen latch
Solo bull charge is way harder to dodge
tight basin
isn't it like the same
frozen latch
I keep messed up hug the wall strat
analog mauve
i find it harder in the bossfight because i run into theseus bombs
icy nacelle
isn't it like the same
it's way harder because the room is way too small
and he never hits the pillars
tight basin
oh the thing is smaller yeah
icy nacelle
my usual strategy against Solo Bull EM3 is just melt his HP bar before he can decide to charge at me
which works on Hestia and Chiron ofc
dapper harness
for asterius just meg at the start
proper furnace
Other difference is that the pillars in the solo fight fall off
dapper harness
make the fight a lot shorter
proper furnace
Which doesn't matter unless you have stygian shards lol
tight basin
chiron melting sure is something that exists
icy nacelle
for asterius just meg at the start
i forgot i had Meg 
grand zenith
My usual strategy with EM3 is to fight near the pillar so he has no choice but to get trap dmg.
frozen latch
I also blame rama for making me suck at heros, I killed them so fast without using my acorn
icy nacelle
I also blame rama for making me suck at heros, I killed them so fast without usi...
same here with Hestia
dapper harness
i forgot i had Meg <:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
happenz, i usually forget to med dad
icy nacelle
if i don't one-shot the heroes, they mow through me
frozen latch
Nah, hestia is pathetic compare to rama
icy nacelle
i swear, i've lost way more Death Defiances on Solo Bull/Heroes than i've lost on Hades
frozen latch
Even you have a heroic lv5 aphro strike, that’s about 150%
dapper harness
for hestia u just keep shooting until the boss dies, kinda boring
icy nacelle
hestia bossing kinda doen't exist
it does with Artemis attack with Hunter's Mark and Clean Kill 🙂
icy nacelle
you don't need crits for solo bull tho
tight basin
hestia is great for normal rooms, which is where marked can work (although arty attack is kinda not great)
frozen latch
Rama boss is so free the only thing you have to learn is em4 dad lmao
icy nacelle
you don't need crits for solo bull tho
just attack-reload-dash-attack-reload-dash
frozen latch
i had a sub1 dad fight on rama on 40 heat lmao
Speedheat stuff indeed
tight basin
just attack-reload-dash-attack-reload-dash
when i said "hestia bossing" i meant like "burning through bosses quickly"
icy nacelle
he dies in like 10 hits, which takes like 8 seconds at most
icy nacelle
when i said "hestia bossing" i meant like "burning through bosses quickly"
is 8 seconds not quick enough?
analog mauve
8 seconds does not happen
tight basin
8 seconds is literally beowulf mirage territory
maybe with a braid or common rd
on heroes
icy nacelle
are we talking with EM or without EM?
frozen latch
Hera can maybe do that with 5-6 cast with snowburst
tight basin
are we talking with EM or without EM?
8 seconds hereoes is without em for beo, but point stil kinda stands
hestia doesn't have that dps on solo bull lmao
also 8 secs includes bubbles
proper furnace
Invincible bubble can totally screw you on heroes
icy nacelle
also 8 secs includes bubbles
ok then no it's not 8 seconds with Hestia
proper furnace
Long bubble moment
icy nacelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6AmMFEEE_w
this happens to me so much that i couldn't ffigure out what's wrong until i read the comments
analog mauve
i should try sub9 40 heat
tight basin
it's anyheat but with ap1
analog mauve
i think i am 30 seconds off
tight basin
and thick skin +lc4 sd
but it's just anyheat lmao
speedrunning 40 heat is rough in general
but like doable
proper furnace
this happens to me so much that i couldn't ffigure out what's wrong until i read...
icy nacelle
YES i finally maxed out Aspect of Nemesis
proper furnace
I love how all the biomes have that one encounter
icy nacelle
now it's time to use it for the first time ever
proper furnace
Ely bridge room with unarmored swordmen
icy nacelle
someone tell me a 32 heat nemesis build please 
i'm kidding, ofc
but i have 5 titan blood and idk what to upgrade
all of the weapons aspects i haven't upgraded yet suck
tight basin
someone tell me a 32 heat nemesis build please <:dusa:522248771409543188>
quite literally a normal nem build lmao
you'd use the same build
except you lean more towards athena than like aphrodite if you start artemis
icy nacelle
nemesis-hades-demeter
proper furnace
Demeter fists is best fists lmao
icy nacelle
Demeter fists is best fists lmao
no way
proper furnace
Yes way
icy nacelle
not that i've actually tried it but
icy nacelle
how is it better than talos
frozen latch
Way better
proper furnace
Talos 
Slower special, atk buff doesn't help
Cast dmg is ok but you need to apply it one enemy at a time
frozen latch
My main files doesn’t even have a talos clear
tight basin
how is it better than talos
talos doesn't add that much extra damage
icy nacelle
Slower special, atk buff doesn't help
can attack from range 😄
proper furnace
Is fists
tight basin
talos is like worse pos sword and pos sword is worse achilles
icy nacelle
i like pos way more than achilles, honestly
tight basin
rip 150% boost
frozen latch
What is the build exclusive to pos sword and not achilles?
proper furnace
Main difference is that achilles would need quick reload lmao
frozen latch
Crush shot pos sword sound dumb lmao
proper furnace
So you aren't stuck as a sitting duck
frozen latch
Extremely risky
icy nacelle
Crush shot pos sword sound dumb lmao
my main build for pos is super nova/dash nova + true shot + Heartbreak/Divine Flourish + as many Artemis boons i can find
oh ofc Divine Dash too
only True Shot is truly necessary tho
frozen latch
You might have better success with phalanx shot
And open lightning phalanx
Like this #h1-victory-boasting message
analog mauve
for my 32 i did flurry slash lightning strike
icy nacelle
Like this https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/116...
wow lucky asf chaos boon
time for 32 heat chiron run!
icy nacelle
failed
tight basin
Rip
uneven basalt
Most important part of any Chiron build is tidal dash, change my mind
grand zenith
Isn’t tdash important for all bow builds?
grand zenith
Ahhhh
proper furnace
Rama and hera not really
Tidal can mess up your line ups basically
Can steal poms and doesn't offer as nearly much advantage
Rama can take flood shoot to deal with styx instead
south sonnet
aside from heartbreak, what boons do i want on hestia
i do have the bouldy +8% move speed bonus, if that somehow makes rd godly
proper furnace
Not godly but it'll help
Other boons just think of like a good % special, tidal dash for AoE and done
Hestia is very simple
Hammers clockets always good but you benefit from basically most of them
Ricochet/piercing/hazard bomb
proper furnace
Rd good yeah
With just huper sprint and common rd is already a 50% increase
Also move speed is multiplicative
So buy any ichor you can
eager flint
the good thing about hestia is precisely you don't have to worry much about your boons
you can work with almost anything
south sonnet
so that means i need skill
icy nacelle
ok i don't understand this
I first-tried 32 Heat Hestia
now i can't seem to beat 32 Heat with Chiron, whatsoever
they're basically the same, how am i having this much trouble
potent tree
The problem is that Chiron leaves you all squishy and vulnerable while you fire off the slow, slow special
potent tree
Just get Concentrated Volley, then get Relentless, and also get Artemis or Aphrodite Flourish! ezpz
south sonnet
just do rama or delta chamber
proper furnace
I wonder what I did for my chiron 32
south sonnet
you didnt you just modded it in
hasty robin
Hi.
south sonnet
i might eventually do chiron
icy nacelle
Worst bow moment
ok zag bow can't be better than chiron bow cmon
proper furnace
Oh it can
potent tree
Wha- Zagbow is amazing
south sonnet
i dont even know what zagbow does
proper furnace
+15% crit chance
icy nacelle
it crits 15% of the time
potent tree
It's like pew crit pew crit pew crit
south sonnet
idk what a lot of zag aspects do
south sonnet
on attacks only tho
well nobody uses special
proper furnace
Yeah it's not global
analog mauve
Zagbow is the only bow i can use
south sonnet
bow special, outside of rama, is just garbage(unless youre clearing projectiles)
icy nacelle
Wanna guess its best hammers? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
flurry shot?
south sonnet
Wanna guess its best hammers? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
twin triple and something else?
icy nacelle
twin 😭
south sonnet
twin is cool
proper furnace
Or perfect/point blank
analog mauve
I remember using triple/flurry on my45 and killing Hades faster than i have with clockets
icy nacelle
zag bow actually requires you to attempt power shots
proper furnace
Zag bow is a rhytm game
icy nacelle
and power shots may be the worst mechanic in this entire game
eager flint
you're having the wildest hot takes I've seen in a while 
I like it tbh
power shots good
icy nacelle
i like consistency man
proper furnace
eager flint
bruh
proper furnace
Power shots are one of the most consistent things
proper furnace
Specially on zag bow where it charges super fast
eager flint
it's just a timing thing
icy nacelle
wait
analog mauve
Or just reset for flurry like me
proper furnace
Rama is a game of knowing when is worth power shot
eager flint
idk how many frame is the window for powershots, but it's quite generous
hasty robin
I bought Hades a few weeks ago when I was 50% off, I just beat Hades for the first time, it's a good game, it's also interesting how it reflects the ancient culture of my ancestors, I like the lore, animation and dialogue.
Good Night.
icy nacelle
different bows (besides obviously rama) have different drawing times?
eager flint
I bought Hades a few weeks ago when I was 50% off, I just beat Hades for the fir...
based take. Congrats and have fun !
proper furnace
I mean super fast compared to rama
icy nacelle
I mean super fast compared to rama
what about compared to chiron?
proper furnace
Have you been dash striking with bows
eager flint
but you don't really care about power shots on hera
potent tree
Good Night.
What's that symbol by your name?
hasty robin
What's that symbol by your name?
An Orthodox cross.
potent tree
Dash-strike is the key!
Thanks! Gonna go look up how that differs from a regular cross
hasty robin
Thanks! Gonna go look up how that differs from a regular cross
The form is due to the criminal who was with Jesus Christ on the cross, repented of his deeds, and went to Paradise.
potent tree
Oh, interesting! Still not sure exactly how that shape comes about, but bless that guy
Bow with and without dash-strike are like completely different weapons LOL
icy nacelle
Have you been dash striking with bows
i've been trying to
hasty robin
Bow with and without dash-strike are like completely different weapons LOL
My favorite weapon is the shield, it's too powerful.
tight basin
i like consistency
dash strike power shots are consistent lmao
potent tree
The shield category has both the fastest/strongest weapon and the safest weapons
icy nacelle
but js3 and bp2 and fo2 combined make it so hard to even dash-strike
proper furnace
Why are you using js3?
potent tree
If you like to talk about any topic, here I am.
Wikipedia explained the shape pretty thoroughly 👍
icy nacelle
chiron bow doesn't deal enough damage for me to afford thigh deadline
so i have to get my heat somewhere else
potent tree
You should still be fine to run TD2 even on Chiron though
icy nacelle
i cleared 32 heat hestia with TD2
potent tree
7 min is a lot
icy nacelle
but chiron is too slow for it
tight basin
chiron bow doesn't deal enough damage for me to afford thigh deadline
dont use chiron then
chiron isn't that great for dps or time
doable but not consistent
icy nacelle
chiron isn't that great for dps or time
especially when there's also dc2 
tight basin
wait what is your pact anyways
potent tree
Chiron's kinda really fun when you get Concentrated + Relentless + %flourish though
icy nacelle
ugh i cleared it but lemme try to remember
proper furnace
Look at the admin chamber
potent tree
You can look it up in the admin chamber, I think
hasty robin
The shield category has both the fastest/strongest weapon and the safest weapons
I destroyed Άδης/Hades for the first time without taking any of my lives, it was Θησεύς/Theseus who took one from me.
icy nacelle
Look at the admin chamber
i reset both times
proper furnace
As in give up?
icy nacelle
yes
potent tree
I destroyed Άδης/Hades for the first time without taking any of my lives, it was...
Huh that's kinda really thematically appropriate 😮
Well, sorta. They both use spears hm
icy nacelle
Theseus is 100% harder than Hades lmao
hasty robin
Huh that's kinda really thematically appropriate 😮
Instead of a fight of swords, a fight of shields.
hasty robin
Theseus is 100% harder than Hades lmao
Orthós/right.
icy nacelle
wait what is your pact anyways
first attempt was hl1 lc1 cf2 js3 em3 cp0 bp2 mm1 uc1 fo2 hs0 ri0 dc2 ap1 td0
second attempt was hl3 lc1 cf2 js3 em3 cp1 bp2 mm1 uc1 fo1 hs0 ri0 dc2 ap1 td0
(i'm so glad that i was abble to remember lmao)
proper furnace
That js3 ain't helping too
tight basin
yeah i was gonna say
it's not bp2 it's js3 with bp2
and also td0 making you have to take these
what's your pb
icy nacelle
32 Heat
potent tree
JS is a huuuge time loss urgh
tight basin
time wise
proper furnace
Time pb
tight basin
at a minimum, you should be taking td2 imo
3 heat is good enough to work around
td3 is ideal but i understand that not everyone can do it
proper furnace
Lc4 strats also should help
tight basin
with stubborn defiance
budget healing per room
it also makes bp2 a lot more mangeable
icy nacelle
also makes me not use js3
tight basin
yep
icy nacelle
so hl3 lc4?
icy nacelle
i didn't have ap on my hestia 32 heat run, i think
tight basin
do you prefer fo1 or fo2
icy nacelle
fo1, but i can do fo2
tight basin
are you still gonna do chiron
icy nacelle
yes
icy nacelle
i'd prefer not to have it
tight basin
tight basin
i already hhave max cf
i was making a new pact, which was why i was asking
td2, lc4 SD
hl0 fo2
icy nacelle
Also what build are you doing?
i tried Artemis special + Poseidon's Aid + Rip Current + Tidal Dash + Hunter's Mark the first time
i was extremely close to beating Hades
but i tripped at Theseus which cost me a crucial DD
so i reset at like 10 hhealth in Hades in order to not ruin my streak
proper furnace
Artemis special works best if you have concetrated volley or at least some chaos boons
After that get heart rend with aphro on atk and you are set
If you don't wanna wait for hammers can do dio special
icy nacelle
Artemis special works best if you have concetrated volley or at least some chaos...
ap1 stole CV on both hammers
proper furnace
It just needs poms
potent tree
Are Olympians' buffs multiplicative with Chaos's
tight basin
and this is why we dont take ap1 lmao
dio special is just a ton more consistent and still just good
icy nacelle
Do zeus special :croven:
i unironically was thinking of reverting to zeus special
but i know it's terrible
tight basin
"reverting" is not a good idea when internal cooldowns exist
proper furnace
0.2 cooldown moment
icy nacelle
"reverting" is not a good idea when internal cooldowns exist
i meant "return to basics"
tight basin
well the basics suck lol
icy nacelle
my first main was "spam zeus core on everything - zag rail, chiron bow, zeus shield"
proper furnace
Where's the "if zeus didn't have a cooldown" img
tight basin
chiron bow is like good in theory tbf
proper furnace
Glorious
tight basin
but yeah it's good in theory but because of the internal cooldown it's just bad
icy nacelle
like, at all?
tight basin
you get 1 bolt
icy nacelle
WHAT
tight basin
instead of the 8 you expect
tight basin
yeah that's why i said it's bad lol
like i get the theory behind it
but also unfortunately game said no
proper furnace
All zeus boon have an internal cooldown
icy nacelle
bruh my first cclear ever was with chiron on zeus special
potent tree
There there. We've all encountered that sort of thing
proper furnace
Chiron is just fast enough to hit it
tight basin
tbf there's like
good damage scaling options with zeus still
jolted and double strike
but it's just a lot weaker than you expect
proper furnace
Speaking of cooldown
Doesn't zeus shield like barely not run into it lmao
tight basin
yeah lmao
potent tree
Isn't Zeus shield exactly 0.2s per special hit?
icy nacelle
wait, so zeus special on zeus shield isn't terrible?
tight basin
that one is fine yeah
potent tree
It's great! Optimal, even
tight basin
the internal cooldown really only cucks chiron
icy nacelle
what about zag rail with zeus attack?
tight basin
thats fine
proper furnace
Also fine
tight basin
lightning strike has a 0.15 cooldown instead of 0.2
proper furnace
Atk cooldown is 0.15
tight basin
like it literally only cucks chiron
icy nacelle
what about zag rail with zeus attack?
tho the problem with this is actually the fact that I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE BOLTS
tight basin
if it worked on chiron, chiron would actually be a lot better
proper furnace
Charon shield would be a lot better too right
analog mauve
Atk cooldown is 0.15
Does delta chamber shoot faster
tight basin
Charon shield would be a lot better too right
chaos?
icy nacelle
that's legit why i abandoned zag rail
icy nacelle
Does delta chamber shoot faster
it feels faster
proper furnace
Does delta chamber shoot faster
I think that jazz has said something about the cooldown with delta before
But idk if it was referring to zeus or like rocket cooldown
analog mauve
So would Swift strike actually be detrimental ?
hasty robin
Hi gays
icy nacelle
delta chamber is better with poseidon attack anyway
hasty robin
*guys
proper furnace
Sea storm also has cooldown you know
hasty robin
proper furnace
Otherwise chiron could just use that
icy nacelle
god, i once tried poseidon special on chiron bow
hasty robin
@potent tree Hi mate
icy nacelle
have you guys ever witnessed how bad that combo is?
proper furnace
Yeah yeah I know lmao
icy nacelle
the first two bbolts hit, and knock the enemy out of the other bolts' range
tight basin
have you guys ever witnessed how bad that combo is?
unfortunately it's not that bad
proper furnace
I mean in like a replace to zeus special
tight basin
oh true
icy nacelle
so you hit 2 bolts per special
icy nacelle
i shot from point bblank and it still hit only 5 bolts
proper furnace
Bottom aspects are sure a wonder of builds
icy nacelle
poseidon knocks away a LOT
proper furnace
I still remember old arthur runs doing lightning phalanx
Speaking of
Was the sub 6 uploaded
icy nacelle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1163240774465503334/...
how do you save a message on discord?
also any other tips for lc4?
i've never done it
ever
tight basin
how do you save a message on discord?
image link
tight basin
also any other tips for lc4?
before a room ends, if you're less than 30% hp and you haven't used your SD yet, die
proper furnace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUxdO0JWXgM
Time to watch funny heaven's vengeance
tight basin
get your budget healing
proper furnace
Also time to learn of funny athena defiances
tight basin
i wrote a section on it in my 32 heat guide actually
icy nacelle
before a room ends, if you're less than 30% hp and you haven't used your SD yet,...
how am i supposed to know when a room ends?
tight basin
it's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies so you should check that
icy nacelle
i can tell it with hestia
tight basin
how am i supposed to know when a room ends?
idk it's kinda a feeling
it's a bit hard to tell if it's a trickle spawn or something
or how many waves or whatever
tight basin
at least in aspho there's lava so you can just wait until you clear and step in magma
ely has the eggs so that helps
tart is kinda eh but it should be fine
it's tart
proper furnace
Just don't pull off the great clasic trick of sd
tight basin
unless you get bad bp
proper furnace
Haelian_egg.gif
proper furnace
Lmao
tight basin
yep lmao
proper furnace
They were using stubborn to heal
icy nacelle
is that hs1 LMAO
proper furnace
Without noticing they already use it
proper furnace
Yeah that's hs
tight basin
but he's also doing 50 heat so like
you kinda have to take hs lmao
or at least generally
icy nacelle
i would do 63 heat and still not take hs honestly
i hate traps
Sure Footing is my 4th most favorite boon
tight basin
slower sd resets are cringe
proper furnace
Or the worst shame
tight basin
i reset my sd and runs in dad fight pots
proper furnace
100 dmg slow ass arrow in elysium
icy nacelle
100 dmg slow ass arrow in elysium
200 because of hl5
icy nacelle
why not
proper furnace
Description says enemy attacks
analog mauve
100 dmg slow ass arrow in elysium
I've once been knocked into one by an exploding chariot
icy nacelle
i need to practice that again
analog mauve
And ended the run
icy nacelle
Avoid em4 for high heat
oh yes absolutely
i can't get higher than like 13 heat if i take em4
proper furnace
Em4 for 32 heat is another classic
icy nacelle
but i can first try 32 heat without em4
proper furnace
"why is it so hard"
icy nacelle
(on Hestia)
tight basin
hestia moment
hasty robin
hestia moment
Very old, and sexy.
Yes, is the grandmother than Ζαγρεύς.
icy nacelle
@tight basin does running lc4 only for practice runs sound like a good idea?
like, 5 heat
tight basin
yeah
icy nacelle
just lc4 andd td1
tight basin
it'd be good
although it kinda depends how good you are on normal clears
i'd throw in at a minimum fo2 as well
since that's kinda difficult
icy nacelle
also em3 ofc
tight basin
fo0 and fo2 is very different in terms of difficulty
at that point just do 32 heat lmao
i'd hold off on em3 unless you really wanna just do it
icy nacelle
yeah i guess
icy nacelle
em3 isn't that hard for me
it's mainly the normal rooms that trip me up
with bp2
and as you pointed out, js3
icy nacelle
it does 😭
hasty robin
Zagreus is very gay.
icy nacelle
Zagreus is very gay.
He is a Greek god, mate.
icy nacelle
Did you check how to gain athena defiances with sd btw
yes
hasty robin
He is a Greek god, mate.
I am Greek, mate.
icy nacelle
Did you check how to gain athena defiances with sd btw
sd triggers first, so athena DDs carry over
you meant that, right?
proper furnace
Yup
hasty robin
I hate the pink crystals.
proper furnace
Do artemis attack so you at least can get their duo if you are going that way
hasty robin
Where is Thánatos?
proper furnace
Or swap and do artemis special/athena atk
He appears at random
The first time is always in elysium tho
And iirc may need to have seen all of meg sisters
hasty robin
He appears at random
I killed Hades and never saw him.
hasty robin
And iirc may need to have seen all of meg sisters
I need to see sister 3° then.
proper furnace
That should work
Wiki also may have the requisites before he spawns?
Been a while since I've done new files so can't remember that
hasty robin
That should work
I just killed the 2°, how does appeare the 3°?
proper furnace
Just keep going through the first boss
She'll appear soon enough if you have already seen Alecto
hasty robin
Just keep going through the first boss
I like to kill them, they give 50 of darkness.
tight basin
is the issue actually playing it or getting the boons
tight basin
okay yeah that makes sense
that's the rng part lmao
you kinda just have to hope you get lucky lmao
ideally you leave tart with the prereqs
eager flint
but really I find it pretty boring once it's assembled too
tight basin
big damage boring
proper furnace
yo how do people play ME builds
Count your stats of how often have you seen Athena/leave with ME/etc
Some fun while an enemy kills you
eager flint
one of my latest runs was trying ME on gilga and getting to Hades without the duo
I swear to god I have NO idea how I managed to get that far
still dadied though
icy nacelle
big damage boring
is it ok if i tagged you for some tips during my run?
tight basin
yeah sure
icy nacelle
someone please tell me what makes demeter so good
because i can't seem to find it on my own
isn't landing 12 strikes too much to ask?
proper furnace
it just happens as you go?
both normal attack and dash strikes count
so you'll get the nuke on a big enemy every so often
icy nacelle
it just happens as you go?
ok but it's 12 of them
proper furnace
so
icy nacelle
every time i ttry to hit an armored enemy, i ffind myself dashhing away after 1 or 2 strikes to avoid dmg
and Elysium has a ton of armored enemies
proper furnace
don't dash away from enemies, abuse your iframes to stay next to them
proper furnace
dodge through the enemy and go back asap, dodge to the side, etc
yup
if you get breaching cross armor is no longer an issue
icy nacelle
eh that's not quite consistent
proper furnace
well yeah luck plays a factor on getting it
but also dem fists nuke is mainly for the start
by ely you prob should have your build online
which should make any armor less of an issue
icy nacelle
man you guys are actually gonna change my mind from OF to DF
proper furnace
they all play the same and dem fists is the one that helps the most pre build
oh yeah ME with OF sounds even worse than usual
also you can build around the special if you want
icy nacelle
ye 12 strikes is def too muchh for that
proper furnace
there's kinetic launcher if you want to spam hadoukens
tight basin
you _don't_ build around the nuke?
you don't because the bulk of your damage is coming from the actual attacks
icy nacelle
i'd rather use hestia
proper furnace
or exploding upper
tight basin
at least generally
icy nacelle
demeter should have a reload button ngl
tight basin
the charged special is for like
deleting an enemy
or at least chuning a lot of it down
icy nacelle
it doesn't even one-shot skelly
potent tree
Does anything one-shot Skelly?
vagrant crane
man you guys are actually gonna change my mind from OF to DF
theres literaly no reasin to use olympian favor
proper furnace
deciding things based on skelly thing isn't the best thing anyways
vagrant crane
based on skelly eris sucks
proper furnace
cuz no boons
icy nacelle
theres literaly no reasin to use olympian favor
my every successful 32 heat run was with OF 😭
vagrant crane
well u can do 32 with anything
u can do 32 with no mirror
doesnt mean its the best option
icy nacelle
u can do 32 with no mirror
waaaat
vagrant crane
i have 33 with no mirror and no boons
icy nacelle
oh god is this community as masochistic as the hollow knight community
vagrant crane
i wasnt even good back then
potent tree
Nobody is as masochistic as the HK community
proper furnace
jazz do you take halting grasp? is tart
vagrant crane
yeah
icy nacelle
64 heat was literally done
62 heat with Eris sounds more painful ngl
tight basin
if you had divine protection and 3 extra dashes it doesn't sound that painful
vagrant crane
i have never considered halting or slothful early bad enough to not take even a common shot over
maybe if it's late aspho or ely i wont take a common shot
but rare+ shot or grasp ill always snatch
icy nacelle
if you had divine protection and 3 extra dashes it doesn't sound that painful
good luck getting that through ri3 and ap2
tho actually
icy nacelle
i just pommed tempest flourish instead of flood flare
is that demeter?
icy nacelle
probs not but
vagrant crane
no its poseidon
proper furnace
is that demeter?
pos special
vagrant crane
i would never take dem flare
tight basin
lmao
proper furnace
attack and special are tempest yeah
vagrant crane
it definitely has a seaward connotation
icy nacelle
ok rate my new non lc4 high heat setup imo
hl3 lc1 cf2 js3 em3 cp1 bp0 mm1 uc1 fo1 hs0 ri0 dc2 ap1 td0 tf2
icy nacelle
what is tf2
icy nacelle
mate i'm joking
vagrant crane
idk man
icy nacelle
it's a tf2 joke
vagrant crane
i have literally no knowledge of you and people have suggested worse
icy nacelle
i have literally no knowledge of you and people have suggested worse
though i did complete my first 32 heat run similar to that pact lel https://imgur.com/pCk9kpv
it's apparenly the most suboptimal stufff ever
vagrant crane
yeah that sucks
icy nacelle
but it was decently easy thanks to Hestia being OP
potent tree
'splosive
south sonnet
and for the build?
icy nacelle
just spam artemis
south sonnet
i do already know of a bit of zap fists
icy nacelle
i'm kidding, i actually have no idea
south sonnet
still require aid
acoustic vale
https://imgur.com/a/UvQ9bP0 gee, I wonder what weapons I've used a lot
south sonnet
no clears on chaos
grand zenith
https://imgur.com/a/UvQ9bP0 gee, I wonder what weapons I've used a lot
Zagreus Gaming.
acoustic vale
Zagreus Gaming.
TBF probably most of those outside of fists were made before I even unlocked aspects
turbid needle
Hey is there a website that shows builds and stuff?
turbid needle
Ooo thanks a lot man
acoustic vale
Oh you already found it
icy nacelle
finally succeeded in a 32 Heat Chiron run!
apparently level 18 common dio special is really f'ing good lmao
proper furnace
Gg
icy nacelle
oh i meant to post this in victory boasting LMAO
didn't even realize i posted the same image 3 times
eager flint
just tried an attack damage focused build on luci rail
with dem attack
it didn't go well
(well, I died to dad, so I guess I can't complain too much. Especially since I got skill issued a whole lot)
BUT
now I'm wanting to cook
tight basin
Bros about to burn down the kitchen
eager flint
my kitchen has been ashes for a long time already
tight basin
Based
eager flint
how do you think it fares when I'm going "ok, dem attakc on luci rail, go"
anyway
athena attack, aphro special, arte cast, divine dash, zeus call, and then the small detail of smair + deadly reversal + heart rend
sounds ez
copium
tight basin
Only the tip of luci beam deflects
tight basin
Lmao rip
eager flint
A shame that luci main attack is so sad
but I guess you can't be ballin' on special and have a nice attack
tight basin
It's like good supplemental damage
eager flint
(except if you're hestia)
tight basin
Good enough that you don't take eternal chamber generally
vagrant crane
and also eternal chamber upside is useless
eager flint
well, damage is kinda ok tbh (nothing big, but definitely viable)
tight basin
and also eternal chamber upside is useless
The upside is that it increases triple bomb rates on next hammer lmao
vagrant crane
pog
eager flint
but it sucks to have to keep the beam to ramp + the little charging time for the first shot
tight basin
It locks out some other atk hammer
vagrant crane
concentrated beam maybe
tight basin
Conc beam probably yeah
eager flint
honestly the damage is kinda fine in a vacuum, but it's so clunky
vagrant crane
bablo is testing MEiron on stream rn
eager flint
... that sounds painful
tight basin
I'm unfortunately in class
vagrant crane
in hyper
eager flint
Link tho ?
tight basin
Tbf like
vagrant crane
eager flint
I think I haven't followed bablo's twitch yet
vagrant crane
i try and follow every speedrunner on twitch
tight basin
Special is cursed
vagrant crane
for hades
tight basin
I don't use twitch enough to actually follow people lmao
vagrant crane
cause then my following page is basically the hades twitch page but for speedrunners
eager flint
I wish some clunky attacks let you move a bit during it, kinda like fist does
eager flint
you need to dash
tight basin
Well that is moving
eager flint
but yeah, just let zag do some sidesteps while using shield special/arthur swings/gilga/luci atk and it would be more fun, I think ?
I ain't exactly a genius game designer, but I guess it would make it less painful
tight basin
Tbh I don't think it'd matter that much lmao
Like it'd be fun but in the grand scheme of the gameplay it's just like
There
eager flint
fair enough
tight basin
The time and effort to add that is probably not worth the reward lmao
vagrant crane
its actually noticeable that you cant move during spread fire
when u do spread ME
it makes it a lot harder to proc
at least on kbm
dapper harness
hellow
south sonnet
how 2 charged beo
dapper harness
?
vagrant crane
how 2 charged beo
wdym
south sonnet
charged shot beo*
vagrant crane
like how to use it?
south sonnet
i find the no movement and no knockback to be incredibly annoying
south sonnet
like how to use it?
yes
south sonnet
so basically dont use the whole block mechanic
vagrant crane
i mean if u need to block u need to block
but dont have stones loaded until you are already charging and can guarantee that you want to release the charge
because if you're forced to block while you have stones loaded those stones are gonna end up in no mans land way far off
south sonnet
does charging and then loading work?
south sonnet
need help with em2 blue lernie
blue lernie feels like pure rrng to me
eager flint
Mood
frozen latch
Blue lernie does head slam, purple make waves, orange spew lava, green spawn egg and another orange for firing small projectiles
proper furnace
And small heads can't share the main head color
eager flint
basically their color are "idc, idc, idc, idc, OH GOD NO IT'S THE HEAD BONK AAAH, idc"
grand zenith
What’s so bad about head bonk?
eager flint
it kills me 
the tells for other attacks are pretty easy to spot, for headbonk it's more "blink and take 22 damage"
it also makes lernie invulnerable for a while (because I guess zagreus can't aim up)
acoustic vale
Lava can be really annoying depending on where it spawns
uneven basalt
Or if you have hs
mild lotus
Green is easiest imo
south sonnet
lava is annoying on em2, green/blue minis are free, blue is pure rng
now how should i handle shades with beo
my current strat is to hope for a good attack/special, and then oneshot/twoshot them with fiery
vagrant crane
now how should i handle shades with beo
my current strat is to hope for a good a...
shades?
south sonnet
yes the blue guys
vagrant crane
oh
it's usually a loaded cshot with 2 stones to kill them
1 stone if you're juiced
3 if you're broke
south sonnet
my current problem is:
i suck with cshot
they have a short timeframe before i can hit the balls, so i cant kill them in one charge
dusty solar
what are good spear builds, hunting blades damn hard to get usually
i have everything unlocked including the hidden
tight basin
getting one duo in a run generally isn't too difficult as long as you use dark foresight and fated persuasion in the mirror
hunting blades or lightning phalanx on achilles is the strongest spear build
and also generally one of the strongest builds in the game
dusty solar
i'll try lightning phalanx
rn going with chiron bow and dionysus on Q
works amazing but i do not like the weapon itself
also i have put in 5 blood in non zagreus aspects of sword to unlock the aspect of ||arthur|| but do i have to do runs with sword only if i have to get that dialogue from nyx?
or any weapon works?
tight basin
i think any weapon works
tight basin
works amazing but i do not like the weapon itself
chiron meta wise isn't great but it's fine for casual playing lmao
past raptor
People I wonder, is there any good build implying Aphrodite's Boons?
Because I can't seem to find one
proper furnace
Her boons have the highest % modifier
So big base dmg weapons just take her boons
See Rama/Hestia/Arthur for example
Her cast works the best for hera aspect of the bow
Her duo with zeus can win runs on its own with a good call
eager flint
and coincidentally, zeus call is a good call
and a prerequisite for the duo
also don't sleep on weak, it's not much but it can save your life still
past raptor
Thanks, so some Aphrodite/Zeus build
proper furnace
Yup that works
A funny thing too is that most weapons that prefer something like zeus atk still have a strong special
Which justs leads to aphro and their duo again 
past raptor
I see
proper furnace
Can also use her as support for hangover and crit builds bc of the duos
+3 max hangover stacks if enemy has weak/+150% crit dmg if enemy has weak
eager flint
and then you keep cooking with splitting headache to get a global +12% crit chance
azure bloom
what cast to use on poseidon balde
vagrant crane
what cast to use on poseidon balde
a lot of them work
basically just avoid demeter
but electric and phalanx both rlly gooed
electric is good early while phalanx scales better into late
icy nacelle
what cast to use on poseidon balde
others will object to this but i highly recommend True Shot
icy nacelle
even its non-crit damage is pretty decent, and it opens up Mirage Shot and Exit Wounds
vagrant crane
and exit wounds sucks
icy nacelle
and exit wounds sucks
let's agree to disagree there
vagrant crane
it literally only affects bosses
as patchwork damage
unless ur cast is so weak that it cant kill anything
icy nacelle
regular rooms aren't threatening when you play enough of this game anyway
vagrant crane
well yeah
so the goal is to clear them quickly
bosses are also not threatening on low heat
tight basin
True shot on pos sword is like a Chiron build lmao
It'll work for casual play but don't expect it to be amazing for anything else
It'll work
icy nacelle
and it's so satisfying man
tight basin
Kinda relies on exit wounds for consistent damage tho
icy nacelle
sadly that's true
but going Artemis gives you Fully Loaded
and for Fully Loaded you need at least 4 Artemis boons iirc
proper furnace
Fully loaded is a myth
icy nacelle
like what? only thing it truly "needs" is exit wounds
tight basin
You need more casts for more exit wounds damage lmfao
vagrant crane
electric shot
and some poms
phalanx
which needs
phalanx
and some poms
and maybe LP
true shot sux
icy nacelle
like what? only thing it truly "needs" is exit wounds
(divine/heartbreak/poseidon flourish is still nice to have tho)
anyway, the main draw of true shot is how brainless it is
and in this game, brainless = consistent, somehow
frozen latch
Lightning phalanx is brainless