#h1-builds-and-combat

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proper furnace
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Nvm
Well artemis cast is really just kinda there

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Most casts have some sort of auto aim, but if you aren't building entirely on cast their dmg doesn't matter

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You only want them to inflict boiling blood which base cast already does a great job

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Or utility like zeus/pos/athena

eager flint
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arte cast is kinda base cast +

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it's not bad, but really nothing to write home about

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I like it when I don't care about my cast

turbid needle
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I just died again :/ at the first boss

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Weak shield didn’t feel like the move tbh it was kinda just like no damage

proper furnace
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Did you get a hammer?

turbid needle
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No

proper furnace
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Atk shield without at least pulv blow is uhhh

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A bit eh

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Ideally you want charged shot

turbid needle
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I didn’t see a hammer period

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Unlucky I guess?

proper furnace
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Yeah

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There's a late mirror skill that helps with that

turbid needle
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This i what I meant with wasting time tho

proper furnace
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Is on like the 20 or 30 keys batch of skills

turbid needle
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I spent a good chunk of time and effort on a run that didn’t give me anything other than a little bit of darkness

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Which wasn’t even enough to upgrade any skill

proper furnace
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Early game darkness is a pain to anyone

turbid needle
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Im not good enough at video games for this progression to be at a normal pace

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Like I know it’s meant to be slow but im even slower

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And I don’t want to be :/

proper furnace
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For now what I can think of is try to rush getting keys for all the aspects (either pick them up mid run or trade for them at the lounge)

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Once you unlock aspects zeus shield can start doing strong builds really quick

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For mirror don't bother that much for now cuz as you've seen, barely any darkness to use

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At least having 2 dds and second dash is a good compromise

turbid needle
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I need to know what boons to go for

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Some of these feel so useless on some weapons and really good on others

eager flint
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if you want to delve deep into theorycrafting and the likes, there are some guides pinned

turbid needle
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Yo!!!! There’s a gun?!?!?

eager flint
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I like how everyone got the same reaction to exagryph x)

turbid needle
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It’s like bird

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Bird gun

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This feels American

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Bald eagle shaped gun

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8 keys tho?

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Damn they taxin

proper furnace
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Is the best ancient greek weapon

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The gun

south sonnet
eager flint
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I like the fact that your first instinct when getting the rail was to apply the grenade launcher directly to zag's forehead

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good thinking champ bouldy

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now that I think about it, I don't remember any dialogue about the gameplay quirks of aspects, but I feel like someone in game should have pointed out how weird it is for eris rail to ask you to bomb yourself

south sonnet
atomic forge
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what cast should i go for if im doing poseidon sword

proper furnace
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Crush shot or phalanx if you don't want the ultra close range

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And don't mind that missing means your casts go flying

atomic forge
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thanks

turbid needle
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Zag spear build?

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Am lost

eager flint
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merciful end or explosive launcher + charged skewer

turbid needle
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Idk what that means

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Those are hammer upgrades right?

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What about the boons?

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Nvm I’m dumb and new

dapper harness
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if you get explosive launcher aphro works pretty well

dapper harness
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the duo makes it so your doom curse on enemies is instant

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it's pretty common on fists where u take ares attk, athena special and dash then ME and just attack and dash into enemies

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Impending doom also is pretty big dmg bonus

eager flint
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ME can work on basically all melee aspects

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and it's just stupid strong

vagrant crane
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dash can also come before the duo (someone delet above me)

uneven basalt
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Oh alr thank you

vagrant crane
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its notable though that ME is a little wonky on spear (it still works and can still be strong but is also more awkward to use)

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perfectly fine on fists/sword tho

acoustic vale
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The downside to ME is if you don't get me to spawn it's just awful

eager flint
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I'd legit say another downside is that it makes the game too easy if you do get it

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at least if you're not into hard optimisation

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maybe it's fun to try to push it even further beyond

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but if you just want to get the win, GG you're done, start smacking your keyboard and it's a formality

vagrant crane
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thats just general low heat

eager flint
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idk, at my level I clearly see the diff on 32 heat between ME and not ME, and not ME is usually more fun 🤷‍♂️

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but it's all subjective ofc

wintry portal
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I cant believe Im gettin to 900 hours on hades and I didnt knew that...

proper furnace
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Tbf blown kiss doesn't show that much

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Also it can still work assuming you don't have flurry shot

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As you can undershoot (still janky tho)

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If you have flurry, tough luck

azure bloom
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How do u play chiron bow

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lik the special woth dio kinda not fun

vagrant crane
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dont force it

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not fun is not fun and chiron isnt worth getting over not enjoying it for

icy nacelle
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how are you supposed to build Chaos Shield?

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everybody seems to love it and put it on top of viability tier lists, and i have zero idea why

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what am i missing

icy nacelle
potent tree
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Chaos Shield used to be pretty good during early access, supposedly. Now, not so much. Can build it like a weaker Zagshield

icy nacelle
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Zag Shield is better?

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oh boy

proper furnace
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Chaos shield is just lvl 0 zag shield

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The special is ron

lucid oar
tight basin
acoustic vale
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shield is just kinda busted lmao

grand zenith
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Baewulf making me act up.

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Gotta remind myself to stay loyal to Gilga.

acoustic vale
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good

icy nacelle
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I'm more of a Hestia-Chiron-Poseidon enjoyer

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the aspects that just one shot or deal massive damage from range

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btw Aspect of Poseidon is hella underrated

proper furnace
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Massive dmg>chiron

grand zenith
icy nacelle
grand zenith
icy nacelle
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but true shot is the cast boon, isn't it?

proper furnace
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Is certainly a cast boon

icy nacelle
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i can't think of a better cast boon

uneven basalt
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Flood shot?

icy nacelle
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i take it on everything

grand zenith
grand zenith
proper furnace
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Phalanx/flood/electric are more generally useful

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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If you aren't building cast more dmg doesn't really matter

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And if you focus on cast builds also add hunting blades

uneven basalt
proper furnace
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As a build maybe, if you only need the AoE doesn't matter

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It can scale hard specially with jolted, as always

grand zenith
proper furnace
icy nacelle
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true shot is fast, can crit, almost always backstabs, and is homing

proper furnace
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Phalanx deflect is nice, big hitbox and can get vetter with zeus duo

eager flint
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phalanx is only slow for half a second at start

proper furnace
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Casts don't backstab

eager flint
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after that it starts zooming

proper furnace
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Unless you have athena-aphro duo

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Most casts are also homing

eager flint
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the main issue of phalanx is going into the nether if you miss your target

proper furnace
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Electric falls off on its own yeah, jolted makes up for it

icy nacelle
eager flint
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you rarely need the homing of true shot

proper furnace
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Why are you playing like a sniper dostance away

eager flint
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it's cool but like

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not really that useful

icy nacelle
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so i play poseidon like them

proper furnace
eager flint
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then you're playing poseidon "wrong" zaglol

icy nacelle
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i only go in to special, then dash away

proper furnace
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Hestia plays melee range pretty well lmao

eager flint
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might as well play achilles

proper furnace
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Tidal dash or clockets

icy nacelle
uneven basalt
proper furnace
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Cluster + rocket bomb

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400 base dmg at point blank

eager flint
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also having to use your dash to use special on poseidon sounds risky

icy nacelle
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it is

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but how else are you supposed to play poseidon

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ur attack is useless

proper furnace
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Use it to finish off enemies

icy nacelle
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well yes

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but other than that

proper furnace
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The ideal is that your casts just one shot enemies

proper furnace
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And true shot crits won't help that if rng hates you

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That's the other point of phalanx/crush sjot

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Consistent high dmg

icy nacelle
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phalanx straight up kills?

proper furnace
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They also have AoE

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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one sec

eager flint
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phalanx deals dummy damage

proper furnace
eager flint
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I think even a common lvl1 is 100 ? Or 90 ?

proper furnace
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Then you have better electric shot

uneven basalt
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If you get Demeter cast, mirage shot and the dem boon that gives extra damage, when the enemy reaches 10 freeze (i don’t remember the name) along with the boon that makes your cast freeze enemies, how quick do you load up the aid? Like one max aid every 5 seconds?

eager flint
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got dynoed, RIP zagsad

icy nacelle
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ok blocking the simplest of swears is rough 😦

eager flint
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it is what it is

icy nacelle
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ye

proper furnace
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is not swearing that hard

icy nacelle
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well i need to get used to it

uneven basalt
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swear swearing off

grand zenith
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I feel ya @icy nacelle it's rough out here.

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Trippy shot

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Flare on hera/beo

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Yup

uneven basalt
proper furnace
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Crush shot second

icy nacelle
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then flood shot probably

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oh

proper furnace
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Nah pos is somewhat low

proper furnace
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On beo is broken cuz mirage bug

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On the rest is useful to combine with breaking wave

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Styx begone

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Oh yeah I agree lol

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Flood shot is for if your weapon really doesn't want tidal

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Which is rare

icy nacelle
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also why do people like hera so much over aspect of poseidon/beowulf

proper furnace
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Burst dmg

icy nacelle
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i feel like those two just outclass hera

proper furnace
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Poseidon nah

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Beo they are basically tied

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Both had wrs at some point

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Main difference would be high heat

icy nacelle
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poseidon also has a ton of cast dmg increase tho

grand zenith
proper furnace
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Where hera falls off a cliff

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Also 50%

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Wait not flurry shot

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Flurry cast

icy nacelle
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still, it's a lot

proper furnace
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It is but not anywhere enough to outclass it

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I still love it tho

icy nacelle
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maybe i should use beowulf more

proper furnace
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When I want a sword win but I don't wanna use sword

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Just play pos

icy nacelle
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i just have no idea how to build it

proper furnace
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Flood shot > artemis core (ideally attack) > mirage shot

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Pom flare and gg

icy nacelle
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because unlike true shot, hunter's flare SUCKS

proper furnace
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Reason for mirage is that is bugged

icy nacelle
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what is it

proper furnace
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The 2nd cast on flares doesn't have reduced dmg

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Lmao

icy nacelle
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wtf

proper furnace
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Is a straight up double dmg

icy nacelle
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that

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wow

grand zenith
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Indeed

proper furnace
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You want to use flood cuz AoE mainly

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Oh you need to know about trippy flare

icy nacelle
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AND it drops your casts into ground to be instantly recollected

proper furnace
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Is even more funny

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Trippy flare only crits x2 dmg for whatever reason buuuut

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Poms give double of what is shown

icy nacelle
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still, it requires dionysus

proper furnace
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First pom is a +120 dmg increase

icy nacelle
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i ain't touching dionysus boons with a ten fo-

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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The reason for not being better is that you need to use stygian soul

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So on top of getting the pre requisites for mirage, you want extra casts from chaos

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But is a super fun thing if you get it going

icy nacelle
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mmm

icy nacelle
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that's funny but i'm still not touching a dionysus build with a 10-foot pole

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too many requirements

proper furnace
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Fair

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But yeah for beo just go flood

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Or you can go passion flare + snow burst for solid dmg

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Also a good use of priv status too

icy nacelle
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i swear, the only good dionysus boon is Strong Drink

proper furnace
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Hangover is ok

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Only need the boon + poms

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Call is pretty good

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Just don't get more than 1 source of hangover

icy nacelle
proper furnace
icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Heart + random pom with the upgrade

icy nacelle
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hold on a second

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someone mentioned hunting blades

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why

proper furnace
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I did

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Is great

icy nacelle
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why bother

proper furnace
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Slicing shot alone is bad

icy nacelle
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wait

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that's the duo boon

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isn't it?

proper furnace
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Hunting blades is the duo yeah

icy nacelle
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is it just crystal clarity but ares?

proper furnace
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Homes in on enemies

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Basically but much better than beams assuming infernal soul

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Achilles speedruns use blades regularly

icy nacelle
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stygian soul + beams is hella underrated tho 😄

proper furnace
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More like overrated tbh

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People love meme beams

icy nacelle
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i mean

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crystal clarity is an auto win

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and that + glacial glare is an auto-er win

proper furnace
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Stygian soul are a pain by default

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I may get the duo + glare at least but if rng says no to at least 1 extra cast

icy nacelle
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i mean, on cast builds infernal soul is obviously better

proper furnace
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Oh yeah speaking of stygian

icy nacelle
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yes that includes crystal clarity

proper furnace
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Hermes legendary when using stygian soul is also bugged

icy nacelle
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but stygian soul crystal clarity is still nice

proper furnace
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Is not a 50% cast dmg increase

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Is a 50% global bonus

icy nacelle
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global as in

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you deal and take more dmg?

proper furnace
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Buffs any dmg that is from zag

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Calls/dash/flat dmg stuff like zeus-dio boons

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And your normal attacks and what not

icy nacelle
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that sounds insane but probably not that good in practice

proper furnace
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Is solid

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Basically hyper sprint + common rd

icy nacelle
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since you need to unlock hermes legendary in the first place

proper furnace
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But no ways to escale it

proper furnace
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Also rarer to get if you aren't using legacy

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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1% vase chance moment

proper furnace
icy nacelle
icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Hermes has lower chances for rarity

proper furnace
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Bad news is basically hyper delivery

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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i do not remember what bad news is

proper furnace
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The legendary I was talking about dusa

icy nacelle
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i've only gotten cast-related hermes legendaries before

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actually nvm i got every boon at least once

proper furnace
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He has 2 legendaries depending on your mirror

icy nacelle
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including the flares

icy nacelle
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i just don't remember the names

proper furnace
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Stygian also has better odds for hermes than infernal

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Cuz you can't get flurry cast

grand zenith
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But Ig u're more of an active guy/

icy nacelle
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ye i basically spam artemis on everything

grand zenith
proper furnace
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Ig you get more value of it lmao

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Olympian favor moment

icy nacelle
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i'm probably one of the only players out there who actually enjoys artemis's aid

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unlessi'm on hestia

proper furnace
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In this server maybe

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Artemis/aphro are really liked for the greater call nuke in other places

icy nacelle
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nah i just use the regular call

proper furnace
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Wuh

icy nacelle
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for example

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think of Zeus Shield

proper furnace
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Artemis aid is one of the only ones you want to use greater calls lmao

icy nacelle
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or non-Hestia rail

proper furnace
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Cuz otherwise is basically just true shot on a timer

grand zenith
icy nacelle
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because common Artemis Aid does suck

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but Rare+ Artemis Aid is quite good in dmg imo

proper furnace
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What's the dmg difference again

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Isn't epic like 110

icy nacelle
# icy nacelle think of Zeus Shield

anyway, this + generic special core boon + support fire fills up the god gauge really quickly

so i just spam click call with my ring finger while playing

frozen latch
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if you're already playing zeus shield, maybe go zeus call as well

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better for single use

proper furnace
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10 higher than epic crush shot dusa

icy nacelle
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long range + homing once again tho

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plus it can crit

frozen latch
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call doesn't care about rarity

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at all

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20 damage for each arrow is not significant

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maybe athena and poseidon call care about rarity

proper furnace
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I think this is more on how you play at far range tbh

icy nacelle
icy nacelle
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i have 0 idea how to deal with armored enemies in close range

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feels impossible

proper furnace
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Funny enough we have the joke that every weapon is a melee weapon bouldy

frozen latch
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the only range weapon is hestia

proper furnace
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Most of the time is just have the dmg to burst down their armor

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Or learn patterns to dash through attacks

proper furnace
icy nacelle
frozen latch
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funny enough, most of the bow are optimal at playing at spear range

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except chiron

eager flint
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hestia uses clockets. It's the meleeiest weapon

proper furnace
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Chiron is crying for other reasons squirtnya

frozen latch
icy nacelle
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oh yeah speaking of the Rail

grand zenith
frozen latch
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backstab only mean something if you have concentrated volley + multiplier speical

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maybe heart rend build

icy nacelle
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people also seem to love Eris Rail

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and i don't understand that either

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it SUCKS

eager flint
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bruh what

proper furnace
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+75% global dmg pretty good

eager flint
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what game you playing

grand zenith
frozen latch
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Eris is like the easiest rail to play

icy nacelle
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or i'm playing it wrong

proper furnace
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Out of curiosity

eager flint
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def playing it wrong lol

grand zenith
proper furnace
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What atk boon did you use

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Lmao

eager flint
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whut

frozen latch
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oh my

eager flint
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but why

icy nacelle
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Pos is much etter on Zag Rail tho

proper furnace
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Rail atk has 10 base dmg

eager flint
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whut

icy nacelle
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with Rupture

eager flint
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whut

analog mauve
proper furnace
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Any % boon will suck on it

grand zenith
# icy nacelle wdym

I usually play with hypermobility and combos which doesn't work with a weapon that focuses aim, patience and strategy.

frozen latch
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we have a super soaker enjoyer

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Just force zeus atk and is already way better

grand zenith
eager flint
icy nacelle
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you dash-attack-reload-dash-attack-reload

grand zenith
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In what world? You have to aim, you know that rii?

eager flint
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meh

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"aiming" is a lie

proper furnace
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Auto aim moment

icy nacelle
grand zenith
icy nacelle
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what is, then?

grand zenith
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Especially with Hazrd Bomb.

grand zenith
icy nacelle
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don't use Hazard Bomb lmao

grand zenith
proper furnace
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Hypermobility will always be good if you have rush delivery shadesmile

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Stack a million ichors

eager flint
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damage goes brr

icy nacelle
grand zenith
icy nacelle
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plus is Targeting System + Hazard Bomb bugged?

proper furnace
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Hestia good thing is that basically any hammer works with it

eager flint
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speaking of

proper furnace
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Eris you just clockes or delta basically

eager flint
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consider : if HS increased damage from hazard bomb

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would be so funny

icy nacelle
eager flint
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hell, let's it increase damage from chaos too

grand zenith
icy nacelle
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you want otther hammers, mostly

proper furnace
grand zenith
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Crazy, how?

eager flint
proper furnace
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Delta at least offers iframes on dash strikes

icy nacelle
frozen latch
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you can reload with delta chamber hestia

proper furnace
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(which I still don't know if they work with hestia reload shot tbh)

grand zenith
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wait... it reloads for u?

frozen latch
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you have to manually reload

icy nacelle
frozen latch
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as usual

grand zenith
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ah

proper furnace
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Delta on hestia doesn't disable the manual reload like usual

icy nacelle
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other rail aspect remove the opttion to reload with delta chamber

grand zenith
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that'd be too awesome

icy nacelle
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not hestia

eager flint
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delta and spread are basically nothing on hestia

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but nothing is not a negative so 🤷‍♂️

proper furnace
eager flint
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heightened security

icy nacelle
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what's the hammer that shortens rail range again?

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spreading fire?

eager flint
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spread fire

proper furnace
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Spread fire

grand zenith
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Oh, thought u meant HC

frozen latch
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hazard bomb deal 1% damage to you

icy nacelle
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ye Spread Fire is terrible

eager flint
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wrong

proper furnace
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Is good on zag rail

eager flint
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spread fire is terrible except on zag rail

icy nacelle
frozen latch
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Spread Fire zag rail is the old speedrun meta

eager flint
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zag rail spread fire is amazing

grand zenith
icy nacelle
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wot

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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i know but

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the range 😦

eager flint
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who cares about the range

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dead enemies can't hurt you

icy nacelle
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i do!

icy nacelle
icy nacelle
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anyway, i cannot believe i'm asking this with 200+ hours under my belt but
how tf do you play Eris Rail

eager flint
frozen latch
# icy nacelle anyway, i cannot believe i'm asking this with 200+ hours under my belt but how t...

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eager flint
proper furnace
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Take zeus attack, static discharge and pom the later

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Also grab tidal dash

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It goes stupid with eris buff

grand zenith
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Rail is just fists with bigger range, Bow is just spear with bigger range (and more awk)

eager flint
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get clockets if you can

uneven basalt
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We all know the best melee weapon, the rail gun, forged in the depths of hell (America) it can shoot almost infinite distance, yet, it’s most effective if you stand right in front of it

analog mauve
proper furnace
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For hammers you want rocket bomb and cluster, cope with triple

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Cluster

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Grab rocket first if both show up

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Also on mirror swap to fiery presence if you haven't already

frozen latch
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clockets for speed, delta chamber for heat

proper furnace
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Backstabs on rail atk are lmao

grand zenith
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U can near miss and still absorb Eris special rii?

proper furnace
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And special can't backstab

icy nacelle
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isn't it?

proper furnace
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Is for the special

grand zenith
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Depends on aspect.

icy nacelle
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EXCEPT hestia

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ofc

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hestia is a shotgun

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not a rail

frozen latch
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the dash oneshot the witch with fiery

grand zenith
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Nah, Hestia is a sniper rifle.

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Spread Fire is a Shotgun.

proper furnace
frozen latch
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oh man

proper furnace
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Is only atk/special

icy nacelle
uneven basalt
grand zenith
icy nacelle
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and when reloading it

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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hold on

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clockets on Eris, you guys said

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how do you absorb your own special

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with rocket

proper furnace
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Hug the enemy and shoot

analog mauve
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the rocket explodes

proper furnace
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Or a wall

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If you are in the AoE of the special you get the buff

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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A lot faster

uneven basalt
proper furnace
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Cuz you don't have to wait for the arc of normal special

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Also rocket + fiery + eris one shots pretty much anything in tart

icy nacelle
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it limits your mobility

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so much

proper furnace
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So that's funny

icy nacelle
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without any hammer or boons

proper furnace
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Fair

lucid oar
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Eris rocket has aoe

proper furnace
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Good thing that all rails are great

lucid oar
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But yeah hestia is very good at Tartarus

icy nacelle
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wait a second

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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i think i now realize why i'm so bad at Eris rail

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i have aim assist on

lucid oar
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Aim assist can be really annoying lol

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But its generally recommended

icy nacelle
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do yyou guys play Eris Rail without Aim Assist?

proper furnace
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Aim assist is recommended yeah

frozen latch
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on kbm, you just turn off aim and solely rely on aim assist

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doesn't matter if you just play it like a melee weapon

grand zenith
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I uise precision gaming tho.

icy nacelle
# proper furnace Also how

you shoot special at a place, a Splitter shoots a big orb into the same place, you get hit for like 30-50 dmg

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or you dash away and lose the special

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special animation is so long too and locks you into place, unlike reloading

proper furnace
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Just dash through the orb honestly

icy nacelle
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ye but then you miss the special

proper furnace
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The AoE is pretty big

icy nacelle
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not big enough imo

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but i'll try clockets

proper furnace
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Then that comes with practice

frozen latch
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buff is optional, but keeping it up all the time is prefered

proper furnace
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Keeping eris buff online is important basically

icy nacelle
frozen latch
proper furnace
icy nacelle
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no

proper furnace
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No way a splitting witch is doing that much dmg without triggering the shield

frozen latch
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maybe you can try aim it to where you try to push it with tidal dash

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aiming it directly at the enemies does not always work

icy nacelle
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btw

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is "divine dash > tidal dash" a hot take?

grand zenith
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Yes.

proper furnace
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Coldest take I've seen

icy nacelle
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you guys mentioned tdash so many times that i'm starting to feel like it is

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like i LOVE tidal dash

proper furnace
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Tidal dash is best for offense

grand zenith
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Divine Dash is really, really good but people ride it way too hard.

proper furnace
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Divine ofc will be better for defense

frozen latch
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hunter dash for the bow enjoyer

proper furnace
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Both also work in pretty much anything

frozen latch
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especially rama

grand zenith
proper furnace
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Mainly referring to projectiles

grand zenith
uneven basalt
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It’s for those witches in elysium

grand zenith
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I use those to farm NM anyway.

uneven basalt
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Some of their own medicine

proper furnace
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Other dashes like hunter have their place like nora mentioned

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Zeus can be a fun gimmick with gilga

uneven basalt
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Asphodel isn’t that bad, but in Ely you just one shot them

proper furnace
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dem doesn't have a dash

grand zenith
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Divine Addiction is a real problem because u end up being dependent on it.

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Other dashes are good for other reasons it's good to experiment.

icy nacelle
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I've selected Hunter's Dash exactly once before
and that was back when i was maining Zeus Shield Death

proper furnace
uneven basalt
icy nacelle
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gotta fulfill thatt prophecy

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lol

proper furnace
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Is fun for bows/hestia

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Sword if you really want to focus on atk

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But guess what

icy nacelle
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hold on

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hold on hold on hold on

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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Hunter's Dash increases the Hestia-boosted attack's damage?

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i tthought it didn't

proper furnace
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If you dash strike yeah

frozen latch
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the only aspect that prefer hunter dash is rama

icy nacelle
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but i thought you couldn't dash strike if you reload with hestia

frozen latch
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the build in aoe of rama is just nut

eager flint
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I love rama

eager flint
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Not sure if my fav aspect is rama or hestia

proper furnace
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Rail dash strike doesn't have any difference visually

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So kinda understandable to think that

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Special only rama is unarguably...

frozen latch
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that's budget eris lmao

icy nacelle
frozen latch
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delta chamber eris?

proper furnace
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So it can't get hunter dash or chaos lunge boons

icy nacelle
#

anyway i still don't like hunter's dash (though i kinda wanna try it out now that i know hestia can dash strike)
because of the vermin rooms in Styx

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not having Tidal/Divine Dash in a vermin-filled room is zagmad

proper furnace
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The dash argument always ends up coming back to divine and tidal lmao

frozen latch
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that's dash strike hestia for you

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just nut

proper furnace
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The thing with hunter is that hestia already has pretty good single target dmg

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Not like rama where shared suffering is a thing

icy nacelle
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meh i already have 17 minutes with just Sisyphus keepsake Hestia

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that's only one minute shorter

icy nacelle
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main problem of rama is the slow-ass attack animation

proper furnace
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Didn't explain myself
I mean rama can benefit more cuz you already have AoE dmg

icy nacelle
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wait i can say ass but not simpler swear wordds?

proper furnace
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Hunter dash hestia doesn't have that luxury unless you run into clockets

icy nacelle
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tf

proper furnace
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You could've said ricochet at least

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Or piercing

icy nacelle
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saying the worst one is funnier tho

proper furnace
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Lmao you got me

icy nacelle
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ignoring Styx vermin, Hestia mows through everything so fast that you don't need AoE

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just dash-attack-reload-dash-attack-reload and you win

proper furnace
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Most of my build path comes through speedrunning

icy nacelle
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wait a second

proper furnace
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Hestia is so sad if you don't have at minimum breaking wave for styx

icy nacelle
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i just realized

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how do cl and ockets interact with each other in the first place?

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i've never taken them together

proper furnace
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Shoot five rockets shotgun style

icy nacelle
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close range?

proper furnace
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Yeah

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They spread out the farther they go

icy nacelle
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ok cool

proper furnace
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Also on an unintended interaction

icy nacelle
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i thought they stoppedd at close range

proper furnace
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Rocket bomb deletes the -30% dmg from cluster

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So each rocket does the full 80 base dmg

icy nacelle
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ofc it does

frozen latch
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you can theoretically use the anvil to get 3 hammer for the ultimate hazard clockets

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instaphase everything

proper furnace
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hazard

icy nacelle
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you can't speedrun with that 😭

proper furnace
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You can't get hazard with either rockets or cluster

frozen latch
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oh yeah, that's a modded run

proper furnace
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Taking any of those deletes hazard from the pool

frozen latch
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oh well

proper furnace
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At most what you could gain would be targetting clockets

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But that means taking anvil in first place lmao

icy nacelle
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how does targeting + rocket work?

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i never take rocket

proper furnace
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If you aim to an enemy they get the targetting debuff

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Also targetting is different from other global dmg buffs (which doesn't matter that much but is funny)

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As the text specifically says "enemy takes more dmg" it also buffs things like summons or traps

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Where something like eris buff doesn't

icy nacelle
#

ddo you guys count keepsakes as boons?

proper furnace
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For what purpose?

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I think the answer for everything would be nah tho

analog mauve
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i think they have exactly 1 hp

icy nacelle
analog mauve
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not really

icy nacelle
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plus you run out of bullets before you can kill all vermin

analog mauve
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the reload lasts like half a second i think

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Lmao

icy nacelle
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seriously though

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What are you guys' top 5 boons in general?

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like, the boons that you can never go wrong with

analog mauve
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do we consider duo boons

icy nacelle
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yes

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all boons

proper furnace
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Zeus call, tidal and divine, smair, greatest reflex

icy nacelle
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smair?

analog mauve
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and while considering duo ,legendary or any 2nd tier boons we assume we have the prereq boons as well

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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i know how good that can be, but top 5?

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interesting

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tho smair with aphro call is SO funny

proper furnace
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Smair with most calls is just really good

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Zeus/dio top examples athena if you like really want defense

icy nacelle
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except Artemis Call, ironically

proper furnace
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Smair athena is fun for rama

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A free powershot basically

icy nacelle
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why do people like Zeus/Dio call so much

proper furnace
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Dps go brrrr

icy nacelle
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i find both very inconsistent

proper furnace
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Zeus call specially if you find any other zeus boon

icy nacelle
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i prefer pos call for close-range call

proper furnace
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Dio call scales off really well with poms

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My first 32 heat with sword was a phalanx shot bud carried by smair zeus call lmao

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Got double strike + splitting bolt + purple rd

proper furnace
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Pos sword ofc

icy nacelle
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true, foolish of me to ask

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lel

proper furnace
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I could've probably won anyways without smair but the build just appeared itself

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Even with a call like zeus smair provides some extra safety

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Due to iframes on activation

icy nacelle
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i currently only have 32 heat runs on hestia and chiron

grand zenith
icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Can't really go wrong with those either

icy nacelle
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mm-hmm

proper furnace
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I was thinking more on the "can win with just those" on my side

proper furnace
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And tbh I don't mind most boons thanks to underworld customs lmao

grand zenith
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What’re y’all’s favourite combo of boons tho, cuz that makes a big difference.

proper furnace
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A million zeus boons + rod

grand zenith
icy nacelle
grand zenith
proper furnace
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UC is chill

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Until ap/ri comes into play

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The it'll screw you up every once in a while

icy nacelle
#

anyway, my top 5 are, in order:

#1: Greatest Reflex
#2: Divine Dash
#3: Crystal Clarity
#4: Sure Footing
#5: Strong Drink
Honorable Mentions: Tidal Dash and True Shot

grand zenith
icy nacelle
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Sure Footing is SO good

proper furnace
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I'm sure it may have saved me once or twice on heightened sense but is an aight boon

icy nacelle
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all of my 32 heat runs have Sure Footing in them

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funnily enough, none of them have Greatest Reflex or Divine Dash

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ugh i gotta attempt a Tidal Dash-only run some time

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actually nvm Tidal Dash is bad against bosses

uneven basalt
proper furnace
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Wanna guess which dash is used

uneven basalt
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Tidal or divine probably

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Tidal is the meta yeah

uneven basalt
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Nah nah it’s hunters dash

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Hunters dash only

proper furnace
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Divine dash only is uhhh

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Actually let me find a run lmao

icy nacelle
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unless u deflect

uneven basalt
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It deals 10

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Please

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Show some respect

icy nacelle
icy nacelle
proper furnace
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:boulyai:

icy nacelle
#

what

icy nacelle
icy nacelle
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i was stacked up on Zeus and Poseidon boons

analog mauve
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i saw a 50 heat zeus dash only run i think it was done by and linked in the guide lniekd in pins right

icy nacelle
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i broke my controller's Y button (assigned to Specials) during ExM Champions fight

proper furnace
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Damn

icy nacelle
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i had to clear all of Styx using Tidal Dash, with Tight Deadline 1 on

grand zenith
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Crazy

icy nacelle
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i lost to ExM Hades, but still i made it to him

grand zenith
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Based.

proper furnace
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Nice

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Zeus shield fun but I suck at it

grand zenith
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I had a similar moment where my left click (atk) broke in the middle of the Hades fight, I pulled through but I had to turn on God Mode.

icy nacelle
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what does God Mode do again? i've never used it

proper furnace
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Dmg reduction

icy nacelle
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how much

proper furnace
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Starts at 20%, goes up by 2% each death

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Capts at 80%

icy nacelle
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oh, i guess that's the only way you can complete a high-heat Arthur Sword run

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so good of the devs to think of that detail

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@proper furnace what was the busted Beowulf build again? i wanna try it out

proper furnace
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Flood flare > artemis atk (cope with other cores if it refuses to shwo up) > mirage shot

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Pom flare and get your usual extra casts/cast dmg from chaos

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If possible get rush delivery

icy nacelle
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why that

proper furnace
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Global dmg good

icy nacelle
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isn't greater recall better?

proper furnace
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Can't get it on beo unless you use plume

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Oh yeah
Remap cast so you can load casts while in the middle of a rush

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And don't load 3 casts

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Either load as many it takes to kill/phase or do like 2 casts > rush, 1 cast > rush

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That way you aren't stuck losing time when they are dropping

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And best hammer is charged shot

icy nacelle
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thanks btw

proper furnace
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Your mobility is mainly dashes

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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You don't want to charge a rush all the way to to reach an enemy

proper furnace
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My remap is weird for beo lmal

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Zl attack cast on Y (switch controller)

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Also never do standing attacks

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Dash strike into bullrush

icy nacelle
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YOU CAN LOAD CASTS DURING THE RUSH WTF

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not even while charging

proper furnace
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Yup

icy nacelle
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the one time training with Skelly has actually taught me something

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lmao

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so, i assume i get fiery presence btw

proper furnace
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Yup

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Helps one shotting some stuff in tart

icy nacelle
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i'll try Dark Foresight this time

proper furnace
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Mainly witches with high confidence and fiery

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Otherwise you are short like one hit

icy nacelle
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i don't want high confidence on shield

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especially since beowulf makes you take +10% dmg already

proper furnace
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+10% is not even a point of hard labor

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Also is a shield

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Meanwhile gilga gives +50% dmg to enemies bouldy

icy nacelle
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ye but i'm actually terrible at blocking

proper furnace
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The downsides are so funny

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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just spam Tidal Dash + attack clueful

proper furnace
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Doesn't make it less funny

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Beo upsides are like super stupid and the downside is just +10% dmg taken

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They really were some of the latest aspects to be added

icy nacelle
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true, i once got actually one shot straight out of a Death Defiance by EM Hades tthanks to f'ing Maim

proper furnace
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Spin ain't even that good and it cuts your health in half

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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70%

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At that point you are dying anyways

icy nacelle
proper furnace
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You can go down to 1 hp

icy nacelle
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wait

grand zenith
icy nacelle
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i assume the former

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but gotta ask

proper furnace
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Fam fav on flood

grand zenith
proper furnace
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Both artemis and pos need an extra boon for their curse

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And hunter's mark as priv status applier is ron

grand zenith
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Listen, I get that you’re prolly joking but so many people treat God Mode as an acceptance of skill issue when it’s just something to help your run, you can turn it off anytime you find it too easy.

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It makes so many builds so much more viable.

icy nacelle
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i am joking

proper furnace
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Honestly most people don't mind god mode

grand zenith
icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Maybe you'll get some comments if you try to do 32+ heat but chances are they are gonna be told "why do you care"

icy nacelle
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i am skillful enough, especially on Chiron and Hestia, that i don't need God Mode

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but i'm TERRIBLE on any Malphon aspect

proper furnace
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My god mode was left at like 36% iirc

icy nacelle
#

so maybe i'll try that out

proper furnace
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Last time I used it was to do gy prophecy lmao

grand zenith
proper furnace
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Cuz I didn't level it up

icy nacelle
grand zenith
grand zenith
grand zenith
icy nacelle
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otherwise i've also completed no hit runs before (Hestia OP)

proper furnace
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Just route enough chaos boons that they last to dad lmao

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Joking ofc cuz they last like 4 chambers max

grand zenith
#

^

proper furnace
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Last chamber you could take a chaos curse would be like ch34 and you already use an encounter on champions

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Won't even last a tunnel

icy nacelle
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wait i apparently have never completed a 32 heat run with Chiron

grand zenith
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Now’s the time?

icy nacelle
#

i know i can tho, so i'll ddo it after this Beowulf run

grand zenith
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Bet.

icy nacelle
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i got up to 18 Heat on Shield with Zeus so far

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but Zeus is so boring

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and slow

proper furnace
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The 64 heat clear in question:

icy nacelle
#

well yes Zeus is ultra-reliable

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but it's also no challenge

proper furnace
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I mean it for the slow part lol

icy nacelle
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i mean Chiron and Hestia are also no challenge but at least they have a Serotonin button

proper furnace
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Zeos shield gives me serotonin cuz zeus boons are funny

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I love not being able to see

icy nacelle
#

are zeus boons indeed the best on zzeus shield?

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Zeus boons on anything else feels underwhelming

proper furnace
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Zeus^2 is best yeah

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Unless you want like pure speed where merciful end is your choice

icy nacelle
icy nacelle
proper furnace
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Athena-Ares

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Doom is proc instantly by deflect

icy nacelle
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and Dionysus Special

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and goddamn Hangover sucks so much even on Zeus Shield

proper furnace
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Zeus boons just get better the more boons you have from him

frozen latch
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the thing about zeus is you can half ass it all the way to 32, maybe even 40

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after that, it's a problem to go fast

proper furnace
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Static discharge will solve your dmg, but if you like a lot of numbers on screen add dou le strike + splitting bolt

acoustic vale
icy nacelle
analog mauve
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twice is all you need

proper furnace
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I mean if is still boring to you that's fair

frozen latch
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yeah, but ap2 make twice a high roll

analog mauve
proper furnace
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But there is a reason is an amazing weapon for heat

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(hestia prob falls on the, can clear 64 but have fun rolling for hermes)

frozen latch
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rama is much more consistent, one boon and you're good to go

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can deal with dc2

proper furnace
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Rama 1 dash is also ugh

icy nacelle
#

does Abyssal/Boiling Blood do anything with Beowulf?

proper furnace
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Nah

frozen latch
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one dash em4 is almost impossible

icy nacelle
frozen latch
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anything before that is doable but very hard

icy nacelle
#

wait

frozen latch
icy nacelle
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why take ruthless reflex at all LMAO

analog mauve
#

uhh

icy nacelle
#

what's that

frozen latch
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damage control

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pact

proper furnace
icy nacelle
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ye but why would you take damage control on 32 Heat

acoustic vale
proper furnace
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I've seen some shield players do ruthless for 50+

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Just swap the dash for your bulleush

icy nacelle
frozen latch
icy nacelle
#

just take greater reflex

proper furnace
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That was in context of 64 heat

icy nacelle
#

oh

proper furnace
#

Ap2/Ri are in play

acoustic vale
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Just win

proper furnace
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Have fun getting good hermes stuff

frozen latch
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zyruvias, who cleared 60 hestia only manage to get to heros with dc2

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60 + 2 heat from dc

icy nacelle
#

ye 64 heat hestia is 100% impossible

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dc2 is terrible

frozen latch
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only non shield 62 is eris and rama

icy nacelle
#

to both

proper furnace
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Good aspects

frozen latch
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the eris run is just straight up luckiest run I've seen

proper furnace
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Also luck on the boons

frozen latch
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even more than 64

analog mauve
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63 with lc3 ri4 when

frozen latch
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I don't think people will play that with non shield

frozen latch
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plus 1 hermes dash

analog mauve
#

dc 2 hestia with zeus atk and hunter dash 👍

icy nacelle
#

dammit WHY did i take dmg control on beowulf?!

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i'm hard struggling

proper furnace
#

Rip

#

Find snow burst shadesmile

icy nacelle
#

i just got to Asphodel but i have 3 Dio boons already

proper furnace
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Pfff

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If one of those is a core try to be funny and get exclusive access dusa

icy nacelle
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but even those weren't enough

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i just reset the run

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will turn off damage control and tight deadline

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f---ing Alecto was kicking my behind