you can like spam pause to give yourself more time i guess
#h1-builds-and-combat
eager flint
the red circle appears like 2 frames before the damage I feel like
Also
There's a telegraph for the headslam ???
It feels instant
All other attacks I can see the tell and be ready to avoid, but the headbonk is just "hey I'm gon- oh and you're dead now"
but I guess pausing the game is a good idea though, I'll try
tight basin
It's like a very fast and small telegraph
You can start to see it come up
Which is more or less the telegraph
I generally miss it lmao
eager flint
proven osprey
There's a telegraph for the headslam ???
Lernie's heads won't repeat the same pattern twice in a row.
For example, blue lernie will either lungeor headslam so you can predict rather than react.
It's definitely an underestimated fight that is worth learning, especially if you plan to raise the heat
eager flint
oooh, that's nice to know ! ty
pseudo stream
How the heck do you avoid Asterius’ armoured charge on FO2?
I have 32 heat on all aspects and I have not dodged that a single time
tight basin
Lernie's heads won't repeat the same pattern twice in a row.
For example, blue ...
Oh I didn't know this lmfao
tight basin
How the heck do you avoid Asterius’ armoured charge on FO2?
Dashing through the column or dashing away from the wall at the last second generally works
Or dashing through Theseus works I believe
I generally end up tanking the charge tho but that's how you're supposed to dodge it lmao
pseudo stream
So it’s the same, just harder? He just ended a run (well taking an attack chaos curse on the gun didn’t help much)
The timing seems absurd, and I guess you need to set up the positioning ahead of time
Also FO2 + Hell mode is… not super fun lol
tight basin
Yeah I don't think it being em3 makes the charge any different
pseudo stream
It’s not the EM3 that’s the problem, I usually avoid it easily. It’s the FO2
pseudo stream
Yeah, other than Asterius it feels harder but mostly fair. Random chip damage a ton
But Asterius is ridiculous
halcyon vector
if you have deadly strike on twin shot rama, does each shot roll for crit separately?
lucid oar
Yeah
halcyon vector
900 damage in tartarus is kinda funny
like each shot from this with the shared suffering bonus damage annihilated a meg phase
she didn't even get to attack me
tight basin
classic twin rama furies lmao
the only one you can't instaphase is tis unfortuantely
halcyon vector
which of these goes best with twin shot rama
i can't paste image lmao gimme a sec
point blank, explosive or perfect shot
I'm thinking explosive may not be the best but it'd be funny
vagrant crane
point blank, explosive or perfect shot
perfect
halcyon vector
i took explosive for the funny but that may have been a mistake because god damn they were not kidding when they said it charges slower
I mean at least it hits like a truck when it does
tight basin
explosive is like the biggest cope pick for rama if you want damage lmao
ngl i lowkey think it's worse than repulse shot because it's less consistent damage
perfect or point blank work well, personal preference generally
perfect is generally better if you're better at rama, point blank is nice if you have to release early so you dont get hit because you misjudged the distance
i have to edit my guide now because i'm starting to like perfect a lot more than point blank lmao
lean hornet
Isn’t there a hammer for faster charge on bow
Or is that just flurry
Which isn’t a thing on Rama
proper furnace
That's just flurry
lean hornet
Imagine flurry explosive
tight basin
Just get chaos extension into purple rd
But yeah nothing can really consistently instaphase tis
Unless you like I guess crit every shot on rama
halcyon vector
I'm doing a Nemesis aspect run and just before the end of asphodel I have deadly strike, heartbreak flourish, heart rend, cruel thrust, hunter's mark and divine dash
this run is free
vagrant crane
cruel thrust 
halcyon vector
i have arti on attack, aphro on special, empty cast slot, athena on dash and demeter on call, do I go ares and go for hunting blades or dionysus and go for ice wine
both are good but hunting blades never seem to show up for me
vagrant crane
i have arti on attack, aphro on special, empty cast slot, athena on dash and dem...
none of that
sell dem call
get zeus call
halcyon vector
this run is easy enough and I always use zeus call
I wanna do something different
halcyon vector
you've seen the build I have right?
lodge damage is not gonna make or break this run
halcyon vector
I have a chaos damage boon I'll be fine
tight basin
Lodge damage is just free bonus damage and it's more helpful in this build
halcyon vector
I could do poseidon cast and go for mirage shot
halcyon vector
but i wanna
halcyon vector
eh true
tight basin
Zeus is probably the only useful god here
potent tree
I miss the days when I didn't understand jazz's thought process LOL
tight basin
Lmfao
halcyon vector
i took dio and got purple trippy shot
trippy shot just critted from hunter's mark and dealt over 1000 damage
ah yeah clean kill because this build needed more crit damage
wary adder
isnt clean kill a miniscule amount of extra crit damage
vagrant crane
yea
wary adder
amazing
lean hornet
Wtf
azure bloom
zeus on attack is usual?
lean hornet
Instaphased Theseus
azure bloom
as*
tight basin
My Hera run has instaphased lernie and Alecto
probably a lot of poms
tight basin
zeus on attack is usual?
yes
rail build doesn't change until like
45+ heat
maybe
tight basin
even then it stays the same until like whatever the world record is
vagrant crane
wr is same
tight basin
Just lightning and tidal dash
more or less
vagrant crane
dio build isnt viable for that high
tight basin
tbf the higher you get, the dash is pretty variable
vagrant crane
lower dps
azure bloom
i find hestia kinda slow and clunky
tight basin
it's just lightning strike -> static discharge
azure bloom
I somehow had merciful end
Cos i want ares attack
And uh my doom was hittinf for 800 ish
azure bloom
no on hestia i go somethign else
I just dont liek the reload mechanic
maybe hestia is a lot morr slowrr plsced
tight basin
it's actually one of the faster aspects in the game lol
tbf it's like
a lot of button pressing
but even at a base reload -> shoot -> repeat, it's still strong
and somewhat fast
lean hornet
I just dont liek the reload mechanic
It will feel far better if you remap the reload button (if it’s on console)
azure bloom
yeah i did
its the play style feels slow and i am too reliant on crots
like yeah 1000 dmg is funny
per shot
tight basin
that should be enough then
vagrant crane
yeah thats the best option
tight basin
considering that youre always dashing in the game, you can dash and reload at the same time to cancel the animation
narrow pike
Or better yet, use a macro: https://mitranim.com/posts/hades
uncut umbra
is keeping arthur at lvl 1 okay
uncut umbra
i see i see
eager flint
I'd say arthur is one of the best lvl1 aspect, all things considered
tight basin
Lvl 1 Achilles is just lvl 5 Poseidon lmfao
lean hornet
But level 1 Achilles only lasts four attacks
tight basin
It's not that difficult to have 100% uptime on it
eager flint
also when do you throw 5 casts at once
hell, it'd probably be easier if it lasted only 3, so you wouldn't need to throw a strike before getting the buff again
tight basin
Ngl no clue lmao maybe use like 2 or 3, attack to finish off the rush, then refresh the boosts then cast
vagrant crane
3 would be bad cause it wouldnt apply to last flurry hit
tight basin
Depends if you get flurry or not
vagrant crane
or not second dash strike in second rotation
eager flint
oh yeah, I was only talking about achilles as a cast weapon, and mostly lvl1
I mean, even just using one attack after your casts before rushing again is not that hard, it's just something to keep in mind
lean hornet
also when do you throw 5 casts at once
Hunting blades with fully loaded
eager flint
my sibling in zeus, if you have hunting blades with fully loaded I swear you don't need the achilles bonus on the fifth cast
not to mention a lvl2 achilles will still have a better bonus than a lvl5 poseidon then
especially since you can't even use the special from poseidon to unlodge casts
potent tree
Zeus and the hidden aspect
turbid needle
how do you get the hidden aspect
potent tree
Don't remember, but the info's pinned in #h1-story-discussion
turbid needle
okay thank you :)
stuck geyser
oh it does?
vagrant crane
0.167s
stuck geyser
dang
vagrant crane
one to three idr
stuck geyser
what should I play then?
vagrant crane
a different aspect
if uw anna play chiron do like
dio special aph attack
low tolerance
tight basin
Aphro atk and Artemis special works well if you get hella chaos buffs and/or concentrated volley hammer
eager flint
dem special + arctic blast is pretty funny
not really optimal, but then again on chiron what is ?
acoustic vale
You'd think that parting shot would require having a feature that benefits from backstab given that that's a critical component of how it works but it doesn't
proper furnace
You'd think that parting shot would require having a feature that benefits from ...
you mean that other backstabs buff should work with it?
proper furnace
or like add, an extra effect on top of backstab
acoustic vale
No, I mean like. You'd think it wouldn't be able to show up as a boon to choose if you didn't have something that applies backstab. Unless I'm just not understanding how it works
south sonnet
You'd think that parting shot would require having a feature that benefits from ...
it give backstab damage, though it is a bit inconsistent
proper furnace
it allows your cast to backstab and it gives a +35% backstab bonus
so even if you didn't have shadow presence you'll get some extra dmg by backstabbing
south sonnet
it give backstab damage, though it is a bit inconsistent
all other other fiery/stygian/shadow boons do require mirrors though
acoustic vale
Oh I completely misunderstood how it works
I thought it gave the cast benefit from OTHER backstab sources.
That makes more sense. And makes me feel very silly for avoiding like 6 times in my last run. Then again with how the game devolved into a slideshow from an OBS memory leak partway through that run I don't think I'd be hitting many backstabs anyways in that run
proper furnace
is not that useful really
but as a funny thing, with hera you can just shot enemies in the face with phalanx shot and it'll backstab
arrow puts cast past the enemy + big hitbox
acoustic vale
is not that useful really
Neither were the other boons I was getting instead tbh. And it would have probably been better to just not have it keep taking the slot away
acoustic vale
but as a funny thing, with hera you can just shot enemies in the face with phala...
Amazing
Also, I wish artemis would stop showing up as a mandatory choice, giving me pressure points as the least conflicting with what I'd like to be doing, and then never showing up again and just inserting duos every so often. It's mildly annoying
acoustic vale
I know logically Artemis's cast isn't bad I just really really don't like it. And since I don't use the special much on arthur, the choices for some reason keep coming out as "artemis cast, pressure points, artemis special" so it ends up a choice between "thing I genuinely have less fun playing the game if I take it" and then two "things that will open crit related duos and do almost nothing" and it's mildy annoying. Until it happens 6 times in a row then it starts being very annoying
tight basin
The game tries to force you to fill your core boons btw
So if your special and/or cast slot is open, every god boon you pick up will offer one or both of those
There's a chance it's none and it'll offer to replace I think
But it's like a passive ap1
acoustic vale
This part I did know. It's just a simple selection process of pressure points being less useless for me personally than the special on Arthur and the fact I usually have an attack boon by then. IDK why her dash never seems to show up in the rerolls or the base. I would avoid it even more than the special probably but like. RNG is funny
eager flint
Arte dash is great with arthur though
For damage ofc, athena is still 100% the best for defensive purpose
also I love True Shot, I'll take yours lol
In fact true shot kinda carried my latest 32 heat run
but that's mostly because I didn't have good attack/special boons in tartarus
acoustic vale
Oh wait her dash is literally just extra damage isn't it?
acoustic vale
I forgot. You can tell how often I see it by the fact I forgot
I say like I remember everything else
I know logically artemis is good I just really don't like crits much. I prefer aphrodite arthur.
eager flint
Now that I think about it, does Arte dash works only on dash strikes themselves, or does it work on say dashing while swinging the attack 3 of the sword?
acoustic vale
It's a sword, it's only gonna work on dash strikes
vagrant crane
only dash strikes
eager flint
bummer
acoustic vale
half the thing specifically designed for swords don't work on dash strikes I don't see why something not designed for them would
acoustic vale
theres only 1 use for arthur standing strike combo
It's really really funny when it deletes something from full health
vagrant crane
but theyre all pretty niche optimizations
eager flint
Rushing dopamine to my brain by seeing big number is not niche
... it's also not optimal
acoustic vale
There was this one time I got +4 zeus aid, epic greatest reflex and smoldering air on arthur and it was my PB but I don't think the weapon I had really mattered very much at that point
vagrant crane
unfortunately arthur and big number are mutually exclusive
eager flint
ok fair enough 
unborn hamlet
Just joined this server to say that I got Merciful End (with the fists) without using the instant boon keepsakes, first try. I GOT IT ON THE FIRST MINIBOSS IN TARTARUS TOO
unborn hamlet
Yep, plus the hyper delivery combo 
I’m never usually this lucky w runs
Edit: literally just got Deadly reversal wtf
Anyways I’ll stop bragging, sorry 🫠
lean hornet
Damn
eager flint
you ascended beyond modded, you reached supermodded territory
Second person after angel1c
unborn hamlet
I hath reached beyond chaos itself 😈
ALSO I GOT DIRE MISFORTUNE SO LIKE- RIP HADES
I hope you all reach the same ascendance as this run
ONE LAST THING—
LAMBENT PLUME WITH 32% DODGE & MOVE SPEED + EPIC GREATER EV + HYPER DELIVERY COMBO
I’m bragging too much so I’ll stop this time
BUT THE BUILD THO 
unborn hamlet
Did you get impending?
Actually yeah 
proper furnace
Gaming
eager flint
With charged skewer and exploding launcher/guan yu, should I spam low range throws or charge them to the max ?
vagrant crane
lowest possible range that 1 shots if you can 1 shot
otherwise do as much as possible
eager flint
gotcha. Given I have no idea when I get a kill, I'll charge as much as I can without getting hit
stiff lotus
hi just asking for any quick tips for [redacted]? I’m pretty sure I can win the fight since I have all three death defies plus lucky tooth and god mode but I just wanna get it over with as fast as possible
potent tree
Fight next to the big old rocks. Time your dodges to dodge the big old attacks
eager flint
hug your dad
when he does the big laser thingy, there's no hitboxes right next to him so you can just stay there
acoustic vale
don't get hit by 3 skulls when he summons 5 at once like I usually do
sharp swan
hi just asking for any quick tips for [redacted]? I’m pretty sure I can win the ...
You don't really need any skill if you have good boons and weapon try getting all gods keepsakes and testing what build you like most
pearl sky
Hey there everyone, i started dooing heat lvl 7+ with the bow but the rest weapons kinda lack behind. I was wondering if you could suggest me some sort of builds, maybe your fav ones so i can have more fun while getting send down the river of Styx.
pearl sky
thanks a lot
wintry portal
what would you do in this situation? 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877038707583107092/1157767672482775040/image.png?ex=6519ceab&is=65187d2b&hm=201b4bca09ca8f56f1e2cd94a473788985ae7d45272fdab36cd051f221d1d742&
eager flint
What cast should I get with poseidon sword ? I was thinking phalanx, assuming you can connect with it instead of sending it to motherf*cking oblivion in asphodel
but zeus/arte are good with the aspect and their cast is pretty nice as well
vagrant crane
What cast should I get with poseidon sword ? I was thinking phalanx, assuming yo...
phalanx
eager flint
gotcha
vagrant crane
can do other stuff but it’s not as pertinent
like hunting blades is fine but atp play achilles
eager flint
... any advice to which god should I pray to avoid the phalanx shot going to get milk and never coming back again ?
vagrant crane
the god of being closer to your enemies
tight basin
... any advice to which god should I pray to avoid the phalanx shot going to get...
hermes and get auto reload lmfao
just get auto reload in the first chamber of asphodel duh
acoustic vale
How does hera play without much blood in it?
proper furnace
The same as max lvl really
May wanna grab quick reload with more priority for bossea
soft shoal
Or use Stygian soul
proper furnace
Good luck if you don't find any extra casts
brazen nebula
whats the best advice for defeating hades, i cant get past his revive
eager flint
I'd recommend looking at some runs to see how others deal with it. Though the fight is obviously pretty different on higher heat
Other than that, learn his patterns, take your time to play relatively safe, use a long distance weapon, take some athena boons to deflect (divine dash my beloved) and remember to hug your dad in second phase when he does his laser
azure bloom
You can hug or hide behind the pillar
Hug when you can use a very good call
Like zeus call
worn solar
best way early on is honestly better build planning
south sonnet
wallhug+RUN
or just zeus shield
fickle palm
Hey so I'm doing a second playthrough of the game and thought I would actually take a stab at dark reflections. As such I basically have my mirror pretty much entirely flipped which means I'm not going to be playing/performing very well.
I'm planning on doing this with the zagreus aspect of aegis, on 0 heat since my usual pattern with that is dash attack into bullrush (means I won't miss the lack of a second dash that comes from ditching greater reflex and also high confidence has a shot in hell at working) but then realize I basically have never used this thing in my previous playthrough.
What's a coherent setup for the base shield since I don't actually want to use blood on this thing just for this challenge
vagrant crane
Hey so I'm doing a second playthrough of the game and thought I would actually t...
you dont need to do them all at oncd
if u wanna do zagshield you can just start aph and thatll be fine
take atk
see if u can get charged shot hammer
if u can it's easy
if not
it's still easy
just takes ages
fickle palm
you dont need to do them all at oncd
on the one hand yes of course, on the other hand f*** it we ball
tight basin
Ngl if you're gonna use no aspect shield then might as well use Zeus shield if you have it
That way you'll have coherent dps without being hammer reliant
It's also just a good aspect in general so you could just unlock it if you want
fickle palm
I guess spending 2 blood to get 8 isn't so bad
tight basin
Could grind heat with Zeus shield too for bounties
fickle palm
yeah sod it I'll do it. Havne't played with the thing before so might as well try the aspect out given its earning me a lot of blood. Plus there are tons of builds online for that aspect so makes my life easier
tight basin
You don't have to level it up to get damage out of it btw
fickle palm
yeah but you still have to spend 2 blood to unlock it the first time was my point
south sonnet
You don't have to level it up to get damage out of it btw
however, it becomes reliant on me/zeus
atomic forge
im trying to do my first sub 10, any aspect/build recs?
lucid oar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI have you watched this video?
vagrant crane
triple
eager flint
speaking of spear hammer, I imagine the extended jab hammer kinda sucks because the bonus damage is hard to proc ? Following the trend of most "deal more damage at a distance" effects being bad
lucid oar
Nah it’s pretty good
Since it also adds range to the strike
Sniper shot is bad because there are far better secondary hammers and it locks out twin shot
vagrant crane
yea meanwhile on achilles second hammer is like the least thing thing ever
so extending fine
south sonnet
i have zeus shield, should i anvil with explosive and sudden?
strange lark
no
south sonnet
any tips on em4 with zeus shield? the summons on phase 1 always get me
tight basin
Part of it is unironically getting better summons lmao
Certain summons just suck
Mainly butterfly ball
south sonnet
so far ball and sneak=die
stone=manageable, might lose some health
bombers=free
lusty valve
Is there a general rule for how many times I should level up each boon rarity so I don't waste poms? (ex. Epic +2, Rare +4, etc.)
proper furnace
Most boons pom scaling falls off after lvl lvl4-5
proper furnace
Maybe a bit less of fall off but is still noticeable
But if you don't have anything else to pom 
dapper harness
you can also pom calls or smth like static discharge or hunter's mark
tight basin
Is there a general rule for how many times I should level up each boon rarity so...
tbh you should generally only have like 2 boons worth pomming, maybe 3
and generally 3-4 poms work fine for most stuff
like in a good eris build, your main focus should be static discharge and tidal dash
some stuff is worth putting in like 1 pom but not much after that like razor shoals
but there's nothing else that's that important for you to pom
indigo notch
Part of it is unironically getting better summons lmao
the way the text got split made me think you were saying:
"unironically get better"
"imagine dying to summons lol"
tight basin
lmfao thanks discord
south sonnet
the way the text got split made me think you were saying:
"unironically get bett...
true
tight basin
Only if it isn't arty
south sonnet
what should i go for with gilg
potent tree
Could do ME with its dash spam or take advantage of its high base damages with Artemis or Aphrodite
I'm so sad we don't get character chibi sprites as emotes
south sonnet
this is my second heat 32 weapon attempt
potent tree
jazz the hedgehog back again to espouse everything speed
errant narwhal
polar python
flying, colossus, or kick on gilg me
Not the kick. None are great tbh. Probably collosal.
half oasis
can some1 recommend me an achilles spear build?
vagrant crane
hunting blades
half oasis
sorry, could i get a different build? i just did one
vagrant crane
lightning phalanx
half oasis
thanks
normal vigil
whats the best builds for insane crits for nemesis
potent tree
Probably Heart Rend Duo with Aphrodite on attack
normal vigil
ive alr done a couple clears with that build before
the best one ive tried is double edge with artemis special/attack
proper furnace
If you are doing artemis attack you just want like a bunch of chaos boons
south sonnet
what should i do with hestia
south sonnet
anything else?
south sonnet
just more damage/debuffs?
vagrant crane
tidal dash if u want
proper furnace
Get clockets or hazard
eager flint
Use shackles and do a boonless run
south sonnet
ah yes, boonless heat 32
proper furnace
Not the most insane thing
south sonnet
mirrorless heat 64
sub 20
grand zenith
what should i do with hestia
Do u want difficulty? Or Chaos?
south sonnet
win
proper furnace
Just don't take any chaos gate
eager flint
mirrorless heat 64<:shadethumbsup:1150926794187354162> sub 20
I think doing a mirrorless 64heat run is easier than a mirrorfull 64heat run
Like not even winning
just attempting it
starting it
vagrant crane
how are you going to have a mirror in 64 heat
proper furnace
Use fated authority for the extra nerf
acoustic current
I finally unlocked the Gilgamesh Aspect on my second file!
Any tips for a Gilgamesh build? I usually go a simple Ares on attack and cram as much Artemis and Dio as I can, but what's an optimal build for it?
tight basin
merciful end lmao
i dont want to type it all out so here's a link to a merciful end section of a giant build guide lmao
acoustic current
Merciful End...always eludes me
tight basin
it's a needy build tbf
but considering gilga's uh
"state" i guess lmao
ME or dash only are lowkey the only viable builds on it
vagrant crane
did u see the new wr
tight basin
standard zap fists work well i suppose but it's a lot weaker
tight basin
did u see the new wr
yeah that's just dumb
styx hermes killed the run
bablo is a god tho lmfao
tbf i dont think it's necesarrily a "good build" it's kinda just like "tdash and purple rd good" lmao
shoals, sea storm, purple ambush
or assault idk the names
rending as well
okay i guess that is a lot so it is kinda a good build but also purple rd lmfao
grand zenith
36s on fists
Nice.
valid dagger
What wr
tight basin
Yeah so close
tacit hound
@grand zenith I understand the behavior of the final boss pretty well and all. It's trying to hold back the reckless aggro, especially when taking Athena/Hermes/RReflex for granted that makes me struggle tbh.
I've been sweeping up Styx for so long I fail to realize that boss hits like a truck
acoustic vale
Clearly I gotta go back to gilga. I'm sure I'll be thr first to sub6 any day now. I'll obviously instantly more than halve my pb to get there. Clearly.
tight basin
<@487088178616860692> I understand the behavior of the final boss pretty well an...
Ruthless reflex isn't safe for one
A second dash will let you consistently avoid more hits than ruthless
Also depends on your build, whether or not you have good enough dps so that the fight doesn't take ages
acoustic vale
A second dash will let you consistently avoid more hits than ruthless
Unless you're on gilga
tacit hound
Also depends on your build, whether or not you have good enough dps so that the ...
I usually integrate Artemis into a lot of my builds almost regardless; I try to pick up PP-HM crit switching which usually works well
tight basin
Unless gilga I suppose yeah
tacit hound
AAA or AtArD is one I go for too
tight basin
I usually integrate Artemis into a lot of my builds almost regardless; I try to ...
Marked isn't good in dad fight
It's not as useful
tacit hound
yeah
tacit hound
Aph Art Ath
tight basin
Builds generally focus around 2 different gods
You don't need 3
2 gods and their duo for like 98% of builds
acoustic vale
No. Get 4 gods in tart and force a fifth trust me it just works (lying)
tight basin
A good third can help boost damage a lot but it's not essential
tight basin
No. Get 4 gods in tart and force a fifth trust me it just works (lying)
thats what Chiron needs for dps
grand zenith
<@487088178616860692> I understand the behavior of the final boss pretty well an...
Lmao, fair.
grand zenith
Unless you're on gilga
Gilga Supramcy!
acoustic vale
A good third can help boost damage a lot but it's not essential
If your third is Athena she can make up for getting a bad duo by giving you up to 5 lives! Optimal use clearly
acoustic vale
Gilga Supramcy!
True! It's clearly the best weapon in the game
Chiron is the second best, obviously.
Followed by Arthur and then chaos
tacit hound
If your third is Athena she can make up for getting a bad duo by giving you up t...
I thought her defiance only "replenished" lost ones
acoustic vale
Yes
grand zenith
Followed by Arthur and then chaos
Truuuue.
potent tree
What is it about Gilgamesh that makes it weak? Is it its weak dash strikes?
acoustic vale
It's a lot of small things that add up
grand zenith
What is it about Gilgamesh that makes it weak? Is it its weak dash strikes?
Weak dps and also having far bigger risk than reward.
I just build to compensate.
acoustic vale
Weak dash strikes, dash cooldown, maim boosting enemy damage
potent tree
Thanks!
acoustic vale
I feel like it'd be pretty okay if it had only one of those problems. If it only had the maim thing it might even be good
tight basin
Long dash strike animation/delay sorta thing
grand zenith
I feel like it'd be pretty okay if it had only one of those problems. If it only...
It's pretty okay now tbh, it's just sub-optimal.
tacit hound
Idk tho maim might be able to function like a hit-and-run sorta thing
grand zenith
You can definitely win with it, it's just harder.
grand zenith
Idk tho maim might be able to function like a hit-and-run sorta thing
That's what I do.
tight basin
It has chunky standing strikes but very weak dash strikes
acoustic vale
I wish we lived in the world where gilga had no dash cooldown, strong dash strike, and rending claws hammer as default behavior
worn solar
maim takes too long to proc you can usually just kill everything
tight basin
Idk tho maim might be able to function like a hit-and-run sorta thing
That's not really a selling point on gilga tbh lmao like yeah you can hit and run but also you can do the same with doom and not take more damage
And yeah you're better off killing stuff yourself
worn solar
it can do funny things against furies tho
acoustic vale
I wish we lived in the world where gilga had no dash cooldown, strong dash strik...
If I learn modding I could make this timeline
grand zenith
I wish we lived in the world where gilga had no dash cooldown, strong dash strik...
I wish we lived in a world where it just chose to be a fast hidden aspect.
tight basin
Unfortunately beo took the fast hidden aspect area
acoustic vale
I wish we lived in world where gilga best aspect
potent tree
Same. The chunky standing attacks feel kinda cool
grand zenith
I wish we lived in world where gilga best aspect
Indeed.
tight basin
unfortunately get beoed once again
grand zenith
Beo'd Moment.
acoustic vale
Clearly what we need is no dash strike no shield charge percent
Shield rush is basically just a big dash strike tbh
It's like a big dash strike where you keep regular dash invincibility. You go really fast in one direction and usually do big damage without getting hurt. It's basically the same thing
Standing strike percent I'm sure people other than me want to run that
You can just only use standing strikes for damage. It's like dash percent but worse
Finally, Arthur good meta
eager flint
You don't need 3
Yes, but have you considered: heart rend + deadly reversal goes brrr
Then just get Dio for splitting headache and low tolerance
What ? AP ? Unseeded ? I don't know what are those
grand zenith
Yeah, DR does seem to go hard on at least Gilga
uncut umbra
baewolf
normal vigil
whats the nemesis tidal build
tight basin
It's just tidal dash + chunky attack lmao
Artemis, Aphrodite, shackle
Supporting pos boons like shoals and breaking wave
south sonnet
what to use for pos dash build
dapper harness
gilga
normal vigil
Nemesis
tight basin
what to use for pos dash build
gilga for more dashes or zag sword for stronger rd
analog mauve
i think theyre talking about dash only
eager flint
oh yeah, eris do be much worse if you can't use the special
tight basin
no, just wanted to do a dash build
If you mean like "a build that uses tdash" then that's basically nearly every aspect lmao
Except like Beowulf and Hera
And ME builds
frozen latch
I find zeus with tdash frustrating
Keep knocking away enemy before you even special
tight basin
Oh yeah that's probably not great
normal vigil
Domt do eris with tdash if you want to damage enemies
proper furnace
What
normal vigil
With your special
tight basin
Domt do eris with tdash if you want to damage enemies
You can still deal damage with both
When done correctly
Tdash is the best dash to take on eris
eager flint
why wouldn't you take it on super high heat ? a single tdash doesn't seem too hard to come by even with RI and Approval
tight basin
Safety
eager flint
Oh, yeah
tight basin
Eris is lowkey melee lmao
eager flint
I forget sometimes that dashes are meant to be used to avoid things
tight basin
Lmfao
eager flint
Ok, I mostly forget when people talk about TDash
tight basin
Fair
eager flint
otherwise I manage to keep it in mind
normal vigil
You can still deal damage with both
Everytime I try it I get no daedalus special and tdash just knocks enemies away
So they take no special damage
eager flint
I mean
tight basin
Takes practice
eager flint
special damage is good, but I'm not sure it's definitely better than tdash damage if you don't have clockets or so
proper furnace
If you don't have any special hammer then dash would still do more dmg I think
frozen latch
Tdash at high heat is ptsd inducing material
Knock a 🐀 into styx trap and you dead
Dash behind pillar to dodge dad laser and hit a pot
tight basin
Oh yeah I should watch the new wr rama run lmao
tight basin
Yeah 62 modded
frozen latch
ykc stopped playing right?
valid dagger
pretty sure yea
valid dagger
do you use ddasyh the
If you can yea
Tidal Dash is great but you'll likely die more often
Also you cant really guarantee getting either dash at very high heat
gotta roll with it
vagrant crane
just get DP
frozen latch
Seem like all the world previous record holder have stopped playing
vagrant crane
well
mild lotus
Every time I use him it just feels like I do no damage at all lol
mild lotus
I had a rail run with dio
mild lotus
And it took like a solid 3 minutes to kill dad
vagrant crane
you only need poms to scale
while zeus attack you need jolted or else its rlly sad
mild lotus
Not really
Zeus special on chiron or zeus shield is just good
And fists and rail too lmao
It's just good overall
And it scales nicely with poms too
vagrant crane
nothing is good on chiron
zeus special sounds miserable on fists and rail
the only situations where you want zeus special are on zeus shield or rama
maybe achilles if ur feeling spicy and are using controller
or want rod or something
south sonnet
Zeus special on chiron or zeus shield is just good
thunder flourish has an internal cooldown
vagrant crane
0.2s
south sonnet
on paper it sounds nice because +30 damage to all of those arrows, but in practice only a couple of them actually get the effect.
zeus shield doesnt tick that fast, so all of its hits do proc thunder flourish
tight basin
Not really
I mean it's doable but damage is just sad when you're missing out on at least (generally) 150+ extra damage for free
mild lotus
zeus special sounds miserable on fists and rail
It's actually decent
mild lotus
Try it
vagrant crane
tfw 45 extra damage on your 80 base damage special
mild lotus
Try zag fist or demeter fist with zeus attack
mild lotus
bruh you get what I mean
vagrant crane
no i do not
mild lotus
Why would I put zeus special on fist
vagrant crane
if you say zeus special i think of zeus special
tight basin
Why would I put zeus special on fist
We've seen a lot of build ideas it wouldn't be the first time I've seen that
vagrant crane
and best in slot on rail
vagrant crane
aphrodite:
mild lotus
She's alright
tight basin
Aphrodite is cringe
tawny knoll
https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg
Now that’s an image I haven’t seen ‘round here in a hot minute
grand zenith
Give me context
Old mod, used to hard simp for Aphro.
vagrant crane
not mod
potent tree
Pff of course there was such a thing 😂
grand zenith
not mod
Really? Well she used to organise a bunch of stuff and advice for the server.
vagrant crane
yea
potent tree
So much history 👀
grand zenith
Indeed
frozen latch
is that the one responsible for the fishing guide I've seen around here?
acoustic vale
Old mod, used to hard simp for Aphro.
Wait they got banned???
I wonder what happened
frozen latch
even tho aphro have only like 3-4 useful boons, it would be a crime to not simp her
I'm becoming an aphro believer
unkempt scroll
Hmm, which boon is good to go after for basic shield against FO1?
proper furnace
Hmm, which boon is good to go after for basic shield against FO1?
The same builds that you use for fo0 really
Adapting to that pact is just practice
unkempt scroll
Well, I only took the shield for the mission to complete a run with every weapon. Haven't played for a while, so, not quite sure what I'd need to make FO1 easier :p
unkempt scroll
I see
Also, my last run with the fists, it was basically easy mode. My dps wasn't all that great, but I had the boon that slowed enemy movement by 30% if they had poison on them, and then the duo that outright slowed their attacks by 50% xP
I have the hammer boon on shield that makes it special hit up to 4 enemies, is there a special I should go after? I'm considering doom, but Idk if it's that useful of a combo
unkempt scroll
It's basic shield
unkempt scroll
ME?
frozen latch
Merciful End
unkempt scroll
I see
unkempt scroll
Right now I just need to pick a keepsake, and since I have dread flight, I was thinking of picking a special boon to boost it a bit
And since special isn't a whole lot of dmg, I was thinking maybe doom for the extra burst
frozen latch
if you wanna have fun, zeus speical with dread flight
or dio special
might as well do chaos shield with that build
unkempt scroll
Is that an aspect?
frozen latch
not gonna be fast, but fun neverthless
unkempt scroll
Haven't gotten aspects
frozen latch
yeah, chaos is an aspect for the shield
unkempt scroll
I see
frozen latch
for zag shield, i recommend charged shot
and go for aphro, arty attack
even athena can work on the attack
pulverizing blow is a decent option if you don't get charged shot
or dashing wallop
proper furnace
if you wanna have fun, zeus speical with dread flight
Dread flight bad
Not even for dmg but not having block for even longer times hurts
unkempt scroll
I don't usually block, though?
proper furnace
but they've already got it
Ah
Block is super good
And bullrush just adds even more safety
Also when I mean no block is also no attack at all
unkempt scroll
Is God's pride worth using?
proper furnace
You use pride like 90% of the time
But just for winning runs you can use either, it's preference
unkempt scroll
I don't think I've ever really used it. I imagine it'd be great maxed along with keepsake, then you'd be pretty likely to get a high quality boon, no?
Also, aren't I supposed to beat the run with 8 heat to unlock the statue?
proper furnace
It does help for that but mainly hermes and chais rarity are huge
Specially hermes who has 3% base chance for epic booms
proper furnace
Also, aren't I supposed to beat the run with 8 heat to unlock the statue?
Yup
unkempt scroll
Oh, I might already have completed a 8 heat run, now that I think about it. I was doing some of the heat challenges for the mission, might have pushed it to 8 heat that way. Though does that count toward the statue when the statue weren't there?
unkempt scroll
Either that or the satue is bugged, which is probably unlikely
unkempt scroll
FFS, I hate FO...
unkempt scroll
Yay, managed to beat it
grand zenith
Yay, managed to beat it
Based.
unkempt scroll
Took a shortcut, though (10th Hades run)
The song, on the way back after the 10th successful run, is a great song
proper furnace
In the blood is great
acoustic current
Do you guys ever use Demeter Fists instead of Gilgamesh? I feel maybe with all the downsides of Gliga, Demeter might be better
Hit fast, bigger dash, and no extra damage taken from Maim
proper furnace
Do you guys ever use Demeter Fists instead of Gilgamesh? I feel maybe with all t...
gilga is one of the worst aspects
and yeah dem aspect is the best
tight basin
Do you guys ever use Demeter Fists instead of Gilgamesh? I feel maybe with all t...
Demeter is just strictly better than gilga lmao
grand zenith
Do you guys ever use Demeter Fists instead of Gilgamesh? I feel maybe with all t...
I just use Gilga cuz I prefer the three short ruthless dashes and that I don't have to focus on maim.
south sonnet
i use gilg for dashes
acoustic current
Noted. I would run Gilga for fun bc of the massive damage it put out, but I want to get fists to higher heats and I didn't think Gilga was the way to go
frozen latch
You can consistently win 40 with every aspect if you are dedicated enough
Not recommending gilga for first 32 heat tho
vagrant crane
Noted. I would run Gilga for fun bc of the massive damage it put out, but I want...
gilga is actually the worst damage fist aspect
vagrant crane
no
grand zenith
i use gilg for dashes
Same.
acoustic vale
Imagine gilga but the dash strike wasn't weakened
tight basin
Maim does not compensate for the akward attack?
i think even tho it is a multiplier, it's just too awkward in general, especially how slow/weird the dash strikes are
you get more damage out of it, but you deal more damage slower
and i guess it's a net loss? although gilga is close to a sub6 and i think it's mostly because not enough people are attempting it lmao
vagrant crane
the new wr is cursed
tight basin
lmao yeah i should watch that
vagrant crane
grand zenith
Imagine gilga but the dash strike wasn't weakened
How is it weakened? U mean shorter?
grand zenith
10 vs 15 I think ? idk
Ah, didn’t even notice.
spare flare
If using Aspect of Zeus, would you prefer Charged Shot or Empowering Flight?
proper furnace
10 vs 15 I think ? idk
Gilga is 20, rest is 25
Reason for the "gilga dash strike can't kill a numbskull" joke
unkempt scroll
Which weapon is Artemis best on?
unkempt scroll
Artemis is only good when stacking with other crits?
proper furnace
It can work on weapons like rama/hestia but you want other extra % buffs
eager flint
but it's better if you have other crit chances, or a big damage modifier
unkempt scroll
Most of my weapons are base form
eager flint
oh, if base form you can go whatever
proper furnace
For consistency instead of overkilling 15% and paper cut dmg the rest of nom crits
unkempt scroll
I have nemesis on sword and the bow chiron
eager flint
nemesis probably then
iirc the crit% is still pretty ok even at lvl1
but really it can work on basically any weapon/aspect
unkempt scroll
My nemeis is lvl 5
unkempt scroll
Hmm, isn't nemesis better with a boon that has higher dmg %, though?
eager flint
kinda sorta
both works pretty damn well
tbh it's pretty much preference
I even used artemis special on chiron and got a banger run lol
unkempt scroll
I see
eager flint
so there's no need to think too hard about it, it's unlikely you'll make an error
proper furnace
Chiron with arte can work too yeah
unkempt scroll
You'd need a good quality and then the one that sends out an arrow when you hit, no?
unkempt scroll
Haven't been too lucky with getting Chaos since I made this save
proper furnace
Nor poms for that matter
eager flint
chaos can be fickle, but honestly you can do well even without them
proper furnace
Most of your scaling is through other buffs and hunter's mark
Outside of chaos the other big source is hermes rush delivery
And charon well items
unkempt scroll
Hunter's mark? Is that the Chiron effect, or the one that gives crit chance to nearby affected enemies?
unkempt scroll
I see. But isn't that kinda bad against Hades?
unkempt scroll
Heroes?
unkempt scroll
Ah, those
unkempt scroll
I usually just kill one at a time, so, Idk how effective it'd be there
unkempt scroll
Sure, but kinda useless if all my specials goes onto just one, no?
proper furnace
If you are confident on your dmg can try to just rush them at the same time
Was thinking more of nem
But yeah on Chiron that's gonna be
unkempt scroll
It's not often I get to do enough dmg so I can just kill them both at the same time, I think
Hmm, I guess I might try out Artemis on Chiron aspect, thanks for the tips
normal vigil
whats a good arthur sword buil;d
proper furnace
Aphro atk
normal vigil
👍
unkempt scroll
My Chiron is lvl 5
Not a whole lot of aspects I'm interested in, and I got a decent chunk of titan blood by completing some prophecies and doing a run with each weapon 0 heat
Right now I have Chiron and Nemesis maxed, and currently 18 titan blood left
unkempt scroll
They kinda suck though, no?
proper furnace
No??
Bow/shield/rail are pretty great
Spear is conditional, sword and fists are good for casual runs mostly
unkempt scroll
I don't like the side effect of the spear, and I really dislike the sword's speed
proper furnace
Gy's downside gets easier the more blood you use
Still pretty fragile but that comes with practice
It also seems harder if you try to use the spin
You only wanna grab charged skewer and use that
unkempt scroll
Aren't you supposed to use the spin, though?
proper furnace
Yeah
But it sucks so we don't
It gets somewhat vetter with quick soin but outside of that you mainly use it jefore any enemy spawns
Otherwise is super easy to get hit
unkempt scroll
Okay
proper furnace
For hidden sword main thing to help is dash between attacks
You'll keep the combo with some mobility
unkempt scroll
Yeah, I think I remember trying that, never got the hang of it, and the speed is just, meh
proper furnace
Understandable
vagrant crane
Yeah, I think I remember trying that, never got the hang of it, and the speed is...
yeah its very bad
unkempt scroll
Back then I used to main fists, the Zag aspect, but Idk, I think I might be a bit too slow to get good with them again 😅
Chiron aspect is relatively chill, though, got some distanse to it
Distance*
Though, on 0 heat just about every weapon is a bit chill, as long as you don't do spend a minute/1k dmg 😅
It feels like I can almost always rely on Poseidon to give me a 50% boost in darkness, lol
normal vigil
whats good for chiron special
unkempt scroll
Crit is probably one of the simplest
Doom needs a bit of stacking to make it working
Poison is quick to stack up
tight basin
whats good for chiron special
if you can guarantee concentrated volley on it, artemis for heart rend works well
otherwise, dionysis special for low tolerance is most consistent and is still somewhat strong with a lot of poms
curse of nausea also works but low tolerance is just better
you can get curse of vengeance from ares to open up the duo but still keep low tolerance open with the attack tho
normal vigil
How to guarantee tho
tight basin
seeded run or using a mod
if you have a hammer start you can switch aspects to see what the hammer choices are
normal vigil
Alr
polar python
yeah its very bad
If you dash at the same time you'd expect to parry an attack (i.e. when the swing is fully wound up) it will dash and swing together. I found it quite easy to get used to.
(obviously I know Hades does not have parries, but just imagine you were in a different game and Zag was swinging at you)
vagrant crane
sure but its still bad
polar python
I like it. Covers a lot of ground and does good damage
vagrant crane
id disagree with that notion of good
azure bloom
uh
Whats good for rama bow
itz my favourite
i used aprho + ares duo
And basically melted hades
frozen latch
you realistically only need an attack boon
a big modifier is prefered
aphro, athena
or arty if you have twin shot
a flat damage for special
zeus, ares, dio all can work
and if you get lucky, hunter dash and some lunge and attack boon from chaos
turbid needle
Im a few runs into the game I have no clue what I’m doing, it’s so frickin hard
What do y’all suggest I go for on the shield
So far it’s my favorite
grand zenith
So far it’s my favorite
Which aspect?
Also go here #h1-for-new-players for no spoilers.
turbid needle
What’s an aspect?
dapper harness
a weapon
well each weapon has 4 aspects
for example, shield weapon which has 4 aspects zag, chaos, Zeus, hidden
turbid needle
I don’t think I’m there yet
I haven’t unlocked the gloves yet and the extra weapon they haven’t shown me yet
dapper harness
how many runs did you do?
dapper harness
yeah just keep playing the game until you get the hang of it
turbid needle
There’s so much tho and I feel like I’m wasting time on failed attempts
dapper harness
every failed attempt is step closer getting better
proper furnace
The game is built on dying
dapper harness
it's a rogue like after all
proper furnace
Is a chance to talk with everyone at the house, nectar, mirror, work orders and what not
You aren't "wasting" time
dapper harness
yeah you're not
turbid needle
I feel like I am cause I’m not collecting enough stuff to do anything
proper furnace
That said a few things
Your dashes have iframes, but those iframes are removed if you do any other action
So if you wanna dodge just press dash alone
How is your mirror going?
turbid needle
Like I wanna upgrade the mirror and get new work orders but it takes so much stuff to do it
I feel like I’m wasting my time when I try to do a run and come out of it with like 10 darkness and nothing else
I feel like people better at video games than me are doing runs and getting like 500 darkness each time
proper furnace
A clear can get you like 300 darkness
But also
You are in your 6th run
Relax
Took me 20+ runs just to kill the first boss
turbid needle
Oh actually how many bosses is there?
proper furnace
4 bosses
turbid needle
I was so excited about beating the boss for the first time and then surprise surprise there’s a whole other area
proper furnace
With them gaining some sort of variation after so many wins against them
turbid needle
Oh ok
Only 4
Ngl I thought I beat the first boss on my 5th attempt and I thought that was the game like I thought it was just that starting area and it only gets harder with the modifiers or whatever
eager flint
speedrunners be like "yo this game is fire, I'll try to avoid playing it as much as possible"
turbid needle
So like for the normal shield what build should I try for to make my time easier for like bosses
dapper harness
zag shield?
turbid needle
Cause I know you can do it with literally any random combo of boons or no boons at all
Yeah pretend you just unlocked the shield for the first time
Like I did
dapper harness
aphro attack is good on it
you u shouldn't really care much for builds at this point
just keep trying everything
turbid needle
But im bad at the game and I wanna make it easier for me
grand zenith
Put cc on special, high percent on attack and something u like on cast.
dapper harness
well you need keepsakes to start builds but you don't have those now
turbid needle
I have the fancy little trinkets for some of the gods that let you like summon their bubbles
I wanna use em
grand zenith
I have the fancy little trinkets for some of the gods that let you like summon t...
Which ones?
turbid needle
I liked the red war dude and the purple party dude
Also the green gal with the arrows
dapper harness
if you have aphro(rose) keepsake you can take attack
dapper harness
I liked the red war dude and the purple party dude
there's a cool build with Ares attack and athena
turbid needle
Im not sure what weak means
dapper harness
enemies who are weakened deal less damage to you
turbid needle
So they hit less hard cool
dapper harness
keep giving nectar to all the gods for keepsakes so you can start with boon you want
turbid needle
Yeah I’ve been doing that
Nectar is rare :/
I like that the purple dude has a thing a that just gives you one for free
And it makes your health bar bigger too
turbid needle
I think that’s my favorite ability so far I just think it’s funny that nectar makes you healthier somehow
Here kid take a shot of sugar it gives you more health!
analog mauve
i apply that in real life
turbid needle
Ok so Imma try my 7th run with the shield and Imma use the eternal rose :)
grand zenith
Also the green gal with the arrows
Try to get purple on dash, special or cast,
red on attack, special or cast
and green on attack or special.
turbid needle
I thought she was pretty so I gave her nectar
Oh
Is the green cast bad?
I liked it cause homing arrows
proper furnace
I think they are talking mirror