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#h1-builds-and-combat
ivory turtle
How does one Poseidon aspect
I know that exit wounds is the play but like... what else
woven nexus
Phalanx
ivory turtle
What do
Ok so phalanx shot and exit wounds?
I'm guessing I should force Athena then
woven nexus
And just try.to make it nuts by trying for prometheus stones, chaos cast stuff, art lego, demeter supporting cast boons
The one thing with Phalanx at least is I feel safe throwing it
Due to deflect
tight basin
Exit wounds is not the play
ivory turtle
Wait what
tight basin
Just build it as bad Achilles
ivory turtle
Ahhhhh
tight basin
Exit wounds should just be bonus boss damage
But don't bother pomming or looking for it
ivory turtle
Ok I'm not used to sword hammers
tight basin
Build for lightning phalanx as you would with Achilles
tight basin
Ok I'm not used to sword hammers
Double edge is the only one worth using
ivory turtle
Flurry, splitter or super nova?
tight basin
Super nova
vagrant crane
thought it was flurry splitter dash nova
tight basin
Flurry is detrimental
vagrant crane
was gonna be like 
tight basin
Splitter is technically neutral but if you do a standing attack on accident it's bad
ivory turtle
Is it recommended to reroll for cast boons at Demeter? RN she's just offering call
YOOOOO I got epic exit wounds literally at my first party thing
*arty
narrow pike
Flurry is detrimental
Sometimes it's great. Just had a run yesterday with Zagsword where Flurry Slash was a good pick. The build involved speed stacking (aspect, Flurry Slash, Swift Strike) and flat damage soup (Piercing Wave, Support Fire, Hangover, etc.), and melted the final boss like you wouldn't believe
wary adder
Sometimes it's great. Just had a run yesterday with Zagsword where Flurry Slash ...
anything can be "great" if you're just casually playing the game but not if you want to be more optimal for speed or heat
narrow pike
The original statement did not qualify itself with "for high heat or speedrunning". It was context-free and thus misleading
Besides, it's more appropriate to say something like "the kinds of builds for which Flurry Slash is good are not optimal for high heat or speedrunning"
wary adder
it is detrimental tho
proper furnace
Tbh I wouldn't call it great even on casual
Dash strikes will always be good no matter what and flurry makes them even more unsafe
You can flat dmg soup dword fine without it
narrow pike
It increases attack speed and allows to spam just by holding the button without requiring a rapid-attack macro (which I recommend having anyway). You can hold attack and tap dash to perform a dash strike, which is very convenient. Flurry Slash can be unsafe with low attack speed because your dash can be delayed due to an ongoing attack animation, but with enough attack speed, this becomes a complete non-issue.
wary adder
you shouldnt really be using standing attacks on sword
narrow pike
Care to provide a reason?
Not every sword is Nemesis with Double Edge, BTW
Rapid attacks are pretty good with various flat damage sources (see above)
proper furnace
Well dash strikes are pretty good
Normal sword combo is just a big eh
Arthur is fun
Tho if you want a but more of sword combo gaming, pretty sure there is a small use on fresh file runs
Push enemies for wall slams/traps
eager flint
Isn't the sword combo bad because of the thrust that takes like ten billion years to start ?
narrow pike
I think a lot of people are overly biased by the "recommended" speedrun config involving Nemesis with Double Edge, which can be your guaranteed first hammer with the speedrun modpack, and forgot about Zagsword and other ways to build
With speed stacking, the thrust is not an issue
proper furnace
Even before modpack people will recommend dedge
eager flint
Zag be roleplaying as an anime samurai preparing his strike in a cutscene, except people still hit him and he doesn't one shot everything
narrow pike
In any case, that's certainly not the only way to make the sword strong
I suggest trying this approach (stacking flat damage and speed)
round umbra
Sounds like a fists build
eager flint
I mean, flurry is kinda malphon at home
languid abyss
Guys is there a way to reset invested Titan blood?
proper furnace
Nope
languid abyss
Which would be a good aspect to max out first
I invested a good amount of blood into chaos aspect
narrow pike
Depends on your preference really
Some aspects are more dependent on getting maxed than others
Among the stronger aspects, Hestia comes to mind, it really wants to be maxed
Same for Eris
Achilles also wants blood
proper furnace
Which would be a good aspect to max out first
#h1-for-new-players message on topic of blood use early game
languid abyss
Thanks
marble ridge
Does Support Fire proc for Zeus Disc?
narrow pike
Pretty sure it procs for each tick of the disc. Basically it's the best case scenario.
Correct me if I'm wrong
marble ridge
Ok definitely gonna run that when I get home
narrow pike
Consider using Ruthless Reflex. Otherwise, it builds in a fairly similar way to other fists
fallow lantern
(it's not upgraded though
Does it need to be like Hestia does?)
narrow pike
You can kinda use % based attack on Gilgamesh, but it's not incredible because your Dash-Attack is still weak
Un-leveled Gilgamesh doesn't have a strong Special, so it's all about having more dashes and being able to use Ruthless Reflex
Try for ME or pommed Tidal Dash with global damage bonuses like Hyper Delivery
fallow lantern
Remind me what RR is
narrow pike
Never heard of such
Ah, Ruthless Reflex
Dashing "just in time" gives you global +50% damage (also dodge but who cares)
Occasionally more damage if you're dashing a lot
Gilgamesh guarantees at least 3 dashes even if you don't get Greatest Reflex from Hermes
This is an alternative Mirror talent
fallow lantern
Dashing "just in time" gives you global +50% damage (also dodge but who cares)
ah
I never change that mirror so I completely forgot about it. I was looking for which god gives it lol
Zeus has lightning reflex. That can work
narrow pike
Mirror is in your bedchambers. It's not given by Olympians
TBH I'm still not sure what to do about Gilgamesh attacks. They have decent base damage, but attack speed is so slow, and you'll be dashing all the time anyway. Probably just want the same Zeus or Hangover stuff as on other fists. I had some successful runs with % attacks, but it was kinda weak
As far as Dash boons go, Zeus dash is a vehicle for triggering Zeus Legendary and applying Jolted. Its own damage is pathetic. Tidal Dash is consistently strong, get some poms into it. Athena Dash can proc ME, but ME is inconsistent and thus frustrating.
fallow lantern
And I got ME with other fists just a few days ago
I think I'll go zeus attack, poseidon dash
narrow pike
The trouble with ME is how many puzzle pieces have to come together. You want high-rarity Ares attack, and early, to avoid wasting poms. You need Athena Special and Dash, then actual ME. Then you want Impending Doom, ideally also Dire Misfortune at a decent rarity (not pommable), and global damage bonuses. Preferably all before Region 3 if at all possible. Gets frustrating how often it doesn't come together.
Fun when it does, but if you want consistently comfortable runs, you don't count on ME, just let it happen when the game gives you early Ares and Athena
fallow lantern
#h1-victory-boasting message
Didn't get dire misfortune but close enough
But who do I pick for special?
narrow pike
Depends on the other things you have, the gods in your pool, the duos you want to open
proper furnace
The trouble with ME is how many puzzle pieces have to come together. You want hi...
You don't "want" dire misfortune
Is just a cope before getting ME
If you want just a winning run the just ME + good doom poms is enough
fallow lantern
Un-leveled Gilgamesh doesn't have a strong Special, so it's all about having mor...
I decided to level it.
I hope to get thanatos's companion at the end of this run and planned to max it immediately, but 7's enough
proper furnace
If you want it to feel great then yea add hermes/impending
Easier said than done and doesn't make ME less lame
narrow pike
Fair enough, Dire Misfortune barely adds any damage. I'm thinking of it as a non-wasted Ares pick after ME. Being non-pommable is good
fallow lantern
Wait what happens if you try to apply 2 doom effects that have different damages? Does the 2nd one just not happen?
proper furnace
Highest one applies iirc
fallow lantern
good. So picking curse of longing didn't ever reduce my damage
marble ridge
Got stunlocked by spear mfs 
tight basin
it do be like that sometimes
proper furnace
Just skip elysium next time
tight basin
true
marble inlet
Got stunlocked by spear mfs <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
F
marble inlet
Dem aspect time
spark kite
The biggest one that's quite unintuitive I think: The standard sword attack combo is utter garbage. Very low dps, has you standing still and vulnerable, and also very slow. To increase DPS, you'll want to dash-strike instead. Two dash-strikes followed by a special, repeat until everything's dead.
This is true for every sword aspect except hidden.
Although the DPS combo will look slightly different with Poseidon since you'll wanna use your cast, and Zag-sword is really just a worse Nemesis anyway.
proper furnace
Worstlos
marble ridge
Rip
proper furnace
Just run ME
Or be funny and do a yo-yo
Use poseidon special to pull and push
I'll let you figure how to get boss dmg
marble ridge
Use poseidon special to pull and push
Ah yeah I typically do that anyways lol
Actually screw it I'm gonna try Guan Yu
proper furnace
I guess there is some value on running cod/blizzard shot
Just pull enemies into the casts
vagrant crane
Actually screw it I'm gonna try Guan Yu
its fun
marble ridge
What god is best for it?
marble ridge
ME is Ares/Athena right?
vagrant crane
yea
ares attack athena specail
u can start athena if u want
the special on gy is the best part of it
Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.
Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).
For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).
There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.
marble ridge
Ok sweet I got Epic Call
vagrant crane
yea zeus call is the best call in the game
just make sure u use it at first bar
dont wait for full
marble ridge
What about Pos
marble ridge
Right now I have Strike, Might, and Bounty
vagrant crane
might
marble ridge
Flame Wheels don't deserve rights
vagrant crane
archers:
marble ridge
Elysium monsters in general
marble inlet
Ely sucks. May it get thrown into the sun
marble ridge
At least it has Pat
marble inlet
Pat and Asterius can stay in the House. Asterius would be a great paper-pusher
proper furnace
Asterius would choose to go with Theseus before staying at the house 
marble ridge
Bro needs new friends
proper furnace
I mean Theseud is most probably playing a persona when fighting anyone
We don't know how he acts normally, maybe he just chills with Asterius
proper furnace
Gamble on plume?
proper furnace
Damn
marble ridge
What god should I use for Rama?
wary adder
aphro attack
zeus on special
in general you want big % boons for large base damage, and flat damage for lower damage but faster firing things
vagrant crane
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
Thanks MiKE
vagrant crane
who pinged me
marble inlet
I hate EM4
Lost all 3 DD to Heroes
tight basin
Sounds like more of an em3 problem lmao
languid abyss
Decimated redacted with Eris and Zeus on attack
pine torrent
noice
fallow lantern
I'm about to go with un-upgraded arthur
What should I do with it? What's fun?
eager flint
big swing goes brr
try to get deadly reversal or pressure points for big crits that fill your monkey brain with joy
aphro attack
eventually athena attack, but y'know... MOAR DAMAGE
fallow lantern
Not artemis attack?
fallow lantern
big swing goes brr
yee
Hestia gave me 2 THOUSAND damage on a crit
wild stone
is it possible to have 100% dodge chance
lucid oar
Yes
echo fjord
Does Eris rail boost hangover damage?
lucid oar
Yes
eager flint
Not artemis attack?
less big damage% bonus, it's better to use aphro/athena and look for crit chance in other places
tbh I never mathed it, but I imagine it's mostly correct
maybe the cracked hades players will correct me
proper furnace
Artemis can work in the chance you get other % buffs from chaos
Otherwise you lack the consistent dmg to kill normally
Cuz you do base dmg most of the time and send the enemy into the sun 15% of the time (aka crits which will be overkill)
marble ridge
Is it rare to get Fixation in Tart?
valid dagger
Is it rare to get Fixation in Tart?
Yea
It’s the same god multiple times
Pretty unlikely
narrow pike
Testing Hoarding Slash and it seems to not benefit from global damage increases. Under Hyper Sprint, standing attack deals 108. Using Zagsword, epic Hyper Delivery, 5 gods, global damage multiplier ((1.15 * 2) - 1) + 0.25 + 1 = 2.55. My gold is 1136. Base attack damage 20. Hoarding Slash should give 1136 * 0.05 = 56.8. 108 - 56.8 = 51.2. Accounting for global damage, 51.2 / 2.55 ≈ 20, which is my base attack. So, no global damage on Hoarding Slash? That's much worse than I expected
vagrant crane
Testing Hoarding Slash and it seems to _not_ benefit from global damage increase...
it doesn’t yup
and it sucks
only take is if other hammers are detrimental
marble inlet
only take is if other hammers are detrimental
"You can't tell me what to do, dad"
Jkjk
narrow pike
Other hammers were Cursed Slash and something for Special which I don't use in this build...
narrow pike
In this build, it's not. I'll post later in #h1-victory-boasting
eager flint
How much money do you need for hoarding slash to even compete with breaching wave ?
marble inlet
At least tree fiddy
narrow pike
Breaching Wave 
vagrant crane
you need to stack up a debilitatively large sum for it to be decent
and dedge is still gonna be better
because sword dash strikes get up what
600 per crit
hoarding is added after crit
so to double that with hoarding slash you’d need
according to my calculations
a lot of money
meanwhile you could just like get dedge
narrow pike
meanwhile you could just like get dedge
That's just false
vagrant crane
?
narrow pike
In seeded runs maybe
Or if you reset 9 times out of 10 and conveniently "forget" the resets
lucid oar
You still could get dedge
vagrant crane
i didn’t say you will
lucid oar
She didn’t say it was guaranteed
narrow pike
Often you just gotta make do with all-trash choices
I don't reset on second hammer, for example
vagrant crane
well a lot of sword hammering is taking one that literally does nothing
over one that is actively detrimental
shadow slash
hoarding
narrow pike
This was exactly my case here. Hoarding Slash over Cursed Slash as second hammer...
vagrant crane
well yea
u don’t take it for the dps increase
just cause u don’t wanna get stuffed
that’s why people dodge sword second hammer on ap2
strange lark
not damue tho
vagrant crane
strange lark
he really wanted that shadow slash on nem
proper furnace
Yeah to both
vagrant crane
funny
proper furnace
I also remember that he thought that zag shield couldn't go past 60 something
With aphro atk
lucid oar
what a noob
vagrant crane
apparently his zagshield tips were actually good
warm snow
such as
proper furnace
Oh yeah corner strats are goated
strange lark
yeah he made corner strats
worn solar
i mean even though he cheated its not like he sucked at the game
proper furnace
If only that was his legacy
strange lark
i mean even though he cheated its not like he sucked at the game <:bouldy:523329...
i think people determined that his beo 60 was legit but everything after was cheated
strange lark
idk
worn solar
anyways he could do high heats without cheats then decided to do the funny
vagrant crane
is the 58 dc2 ri1 or dc0 ri2
narrow pike
?Can get Cursed Slash via Anvil?
vagrant crane
yea
narrow pike
Holy moly
vagrant crane
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/9496290186873...
more ancient source
that was still during right
it was like still going on till april 22 right
or was it 21
strange lark
that was after his vods got deleted
and his vods got deleted like a week or two after his zag shield 60
vagrant crane
somewhere between angel 61 and 62 right
strange lark
i think hes still in speedcord
vagrant crane
which were both for the same aotw
vagrant crane
i think hes still in speedcord
yea
strange lark
yeah
proper furnace
It's somewhat funny looking back into when that happened
"I wonder what happened to his runs"
"Oh he cheated
marble inlet
Rama guide?
vagrant crane
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
marble inlet
Oh god
vagrant crane
Thanks MiKE
tight basin
the tldr is aphrodite attack, some flat damage on special
twin>triple -> point blank/perfect shot
chain is cope
marble inlet
Got Epic rarities on Arti Attack and Dio Special. Nextbchamber options is Zeus or Ares. Probably Zeus for Lightning Shot ig?
tight basin
well you already have flat damage special
vagrant crane
electric shot
tight basin
is eshot good
tight basin
oh rod
marble inlet
or zeus call
OHH that too
tight basin
i was gonna say
vagrant crane
you're on infernal soul right
tight basin
get vengeance because you're gonna get hit a lot on rama lmao
honestly epic vengeance on rama if you're not that good on it is pretty based
vagrant crane
epic veng is always cool
marble inlet
you're on infernal soul right
Yea. 3 Casts
vagrant crane
ok
tight basin
rod is pretty good tho
vagrant crane
take electric shot or zeus call and then get artemis/zeus duo lightning rod
and just throw out ur casts wherever
ofc lodge one in bigger enemies/bosses
for boiling blood
tight basin
if you want rod i'd say take call
nice
only reason why i say call is because i dont like eshot bounces lmao
echo fjord
How does Hangover work with shared suffering?
tight basin
but personal preference for that
tight basin
How does Hangover work with shared suffering?
doesn't do anything
hangover is just like
the arrow bounces
echo fjord
doesn't do anything
ic thx
tight basin
shared suffering is bonus damage to your attack number
hangover is an external damage source not a damage modifier
marble inlet
Dash Strike or Pressure Points? Got a trial with Dio and picked Arti
marble inlet
K
tight basin
free 50/60/70% boost
marble inlet
Wait- for future reference, is the 1 Dash + Dodge chance option in the mirror better for Rama then?
marble inlet
Ohp, ok
Also, Low Tolerance (+10% resist) or Epic Strong Drink
(+5% dmg boost)
I think SD but idk
vagrant crane
what is your aphrodite boost
also wdym +10% resist
low tol is 3 more hangover stacks on weak foes
marble inlet
what is your aphrodite boost
N/A right now.. probably gonna have to force?
warm snow
probably meant high tolerance
marble inlet
also wdym +10% resist
Positive Outlook gives +10% dmg resistance when 40% or below
(No rarity)
tight basin
Wait- for future reference, is the 1 Dash + Dodge chance option in the mirror be...
1 dash is pretty bad for rama because of the slow charge time
you need the extra space for your shots
marble inlet
what is your aphrodite boost
Also do I just force Aphro in next biome and take Passion Dash? Crush Shot on non-hera sucks personally
marble inlet
Oh
tight basin
didn't you take hunters dash
marble inlet
didn't you take hunters dash
Yes
Should I pom that actually? Just got a pom
It's that, Arti strikes or Zeus Vengeance
tight basin
yeah probably
tight basin
ignore
marble inlet
Except maybe the Heart for +25 max
floral ledge
is it possible to stack blood frenzies' in one encounter?
tight basin
only useful thing dem has is like rare crop but that's whatever here
marble inlet
Ok
marble inlet
is it possible to stack blood frenzies' in one encounter?
Maybe? Dunno if it stacks tho
tight basin
is it possible to stack blood frenzies' in one encounter?
wdym
oh the ares boon
dying for more damage?
i dont think it stacks
marble inlet
Except maybe the Heart for +25 max
Had like 470 coin so took it lol
tight basin
not worth trying to die for more damage anyways lmao
proper furnace
is it possible to stack blood frenzies' in one encounter?
No
tight basin
just dont have em4 on just learn the fight better i suppose
proper furnace
Get dyno'd
floral ledge
thats kinda stupid but alr
tight basin
if you're using a melee aspect it's a lot more difficult
marble inlet
Tis just melted holy crud
floral ledge
~~just dont have em4 on~~ just learn the fight better i suppose
iv learned the fight, and i do win, just wondering if i can make it easer
floral ledge
if you're using a melee aspect it's a lot more difficult
using a melee aspect makes it more difficult?
tight basin
the fight is just very anti melee
floral ledge
if i was using exagryph or the bow i would have lost in asphodel
tight basin
iv learned the fight, and i do win, just wondering if i can make it easer
learning it better so you lose less defiances lol
floral ledge
learning it better so you lose less defiances lol
well thats what the defiances are for
i dont die anywhere else so i keep them for EM 4
tight basin
if i was using exagryph or the bow i would have lost in asphodel
those are some of the best weapons in the game lol, so you're either not building it or playing it right/good
marble inlet
Taking Zeus Keepsake into Asphodel lol
tight basin
well thats what the defiances are for
i mean yeah but also if you die less the fight is easier no?
floral ledge
those are some of the best weapons in the game lol, so you're either not buildin...
im sure they are, not my play style
floral ledge
i mean yeah but also if you die less the fight is easier no?
ig? but again thats what the defiances are for,
tight basin
i mean if you're content with how you're clearing em4 then there's not much else to make it easier lmao
you clear it consistently so that's fine
better builds is the only other way to make it easier
marble inlet
Hermes or Zeus? Have latter's Keepsake atm
floral ledge
hey is it actually possible to get chaos legendary defiance?
tight basin
Hermes or Zeus? Have latter's Keepsake atm
hermes
marble inlet
hey is it actually possible to get chaos legendary defiance?
Yes! 
tight basin
hey is it actually possible to get chaos legendary defiance?
yeah
only possible on 2nd chaos boon of the run
one run i got 2 of them lmao
marble inlet
hermes
Flurry Cast or Epic Greatest Reflex (+3) (I do NOT need +30% special speed lmfao)
tight basin
i think you know the answer to that one lmao
floral ledge
i thought it said you needed every other chaos boon, like, every single one
tight basin
why do you need flurry cast on rama
tight basin
i thought it said you needed every other chaos boon, like, every single one
oh god no lmao that's impossible
floral ledge
i see the "one of the following" now
floral ledge
oh god no lmao that's impossible
pfft yeah i thought so
tight basin
yeah just grab any chaos boon and pray you see another
and actually get the legendary boon
tight basin
take gods' legacy in the mirror and try to take a yarn of ariadne or refreshing nectar into the second chaos gate if you can
floral ledge
5 DASHES FEELS LIKE IM FLYING
i wonder what gilgamesh, 2 dash, plus an epic/ heroic dash add on from hermes feels like
tight basin
you'd fly but still deal mediocre damage unless you're playing ME
tight basin
gaming
tight basin
miniboss
marble inlet
That
tight basin
very low chance you're gonna see a zeus door after this unless it's like final door before boss
marble inlet
Wasn't too bad. Have MM on so it spawns the giant immortality crystal, which I instantly Meg lol
tight basin
oh mm barge kinda pog but still kinda sucks lol
marble inlet
Also, Rare Jolted or Epic Call or Epic Eshot
tight basin
this is vengeance right
marble inlet
oh mm barge kinda pog but still kinda sucks lol
Fr
marble inlet
this is vengeance right
^^
marble inlet
K
Greater Evasion is good right
Either that or Quick Reload
Tho I could reroll, haven't at all yet this run
tight basin
greater evasion isn't the worst in the world imo but yeah what's third
i'd reroll if 3rd sucks
marble inlet
+30% speed on Special
tight basin
yeah kinda bad but not the worst on rama
if you wanna cope either evasion if it's epic or swift flourish
or reroll
marble inlet
Reroll it is
Epic Special speed AGAIN, Side Hustle (I have 500 coins right now, no xD), or Hyper Sprint (no rarity)
tight basin
sprint
marble inlet
K
tight basin
just get styx rd
marble inlet
Always Sprint?
marble inlet
Ok
tight basin
more mobility and sturdy not bad
marble inlet
That was a Fountain chamber too, +5% dmg from Dio
Do I buy a pom or Arti from Endshop? Or just ignore
tight basin
pom for vengeance/jolted pom
marble inlet
Ok
tight basin
since you do have money you could buy arty for marked
marble inlet
Vengeance it is
tight basin
marked on arty attack is strong
tight basin
yeah
marble inlet
K
marble inlet
common is what 30%?
Yea
tight basin
acorn
marble inlet
Oh
tight basin
what was your first hammer anyways
marble inlet
what was your first hammer anyways
Triple
tight basin
the tldr is aphrodite attack, some flat damage on special
twin>triple -> point b...
.
yeah def take point blank
marble inlet
K
Now Coin or Demeter (I have 285c)
I think coin?
Cus besides ravenous will i dont think she'd do much for me
tight basin
yeah
marble inlet
Aphro or Charon shop
I presume Aphro
Took Different League for dmg resist
Zeus or Dio for next chamber
Dio it is
Epic Dio call? Or After Party (Ignoring Trippy Shot, hate it so much)
marble inlet
Ohp
K
Aphro or Pom
I think I've only buffed Vengence and Dash-Strike once lol
Ppm it is
Another Dash-Strike buff, Hunter Mark buff, or Vengence again
(For pom)
tight basin
what chamber is this
vagrant crane
marked probably
tight basin
and what level mark
marble inlet
C32, level 1 mark
tight basin
yeah marked
marble inlet
K
tight basin
based
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Heart again or Pom
tight basin
how much hp do you have
marble inlet
265
tight basin
pom
tight basin
what level vengeance and special do you have
warm snow
what are you playing
tight basin
rama
marble inlet
what level vengeance and special do you have
Lvl 1 Speciall, Level 2 Veng
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K
11:38 into end shop, holy crud
Arti and reg Pom offered, also darkness
Pressure Points, True Shot, or Hide Breaker
tight basin
arty isn't giving anythere here at this point, pom is kinda eh at this point
oh i would've just saved gold lmao
marble inlet
arty isn't giving anythere here at this point, pom is kinda eh at this point
Oh- too late xD)
marble inlet
After buying it I still have 485
tight basin
oh nice
marble inlet
Time to shut Theseus up
Nuked the acorn and took ONE hit
Dang
Keep acorn for Dad right
marble inlet
Yup
tight basin
and just get the rd lol
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K
Hermes is for 500, I got 467
Guess I shouldn't of bought Darkness n Gems from the well
😭
marble inlet
LOL I'm already at 508
tight basin
those tend to have a lot of gold pots
marble inlet
Ez
tight basin
yeah lmao
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Ok
NOO
quick recovery, 30% special AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME, and Side Hustle
Im out of rerolls (well I have one but it'd cost 3 to do it again)
tight basin
yeah
tight basin
there's no point in keeping the aid open at this point
whiffed on hermes so just take a call lmao
marble inlet
There's 3 Poms and a Heart in the shop. Take any of em?
marble inlet
whiffed on hermes so just take a call lmao
He whiffed on me, thank you very much 
tight basin
is this a double or single pom
marble inlet
Double
tight basin
reroll
tight basin
yeah
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K
Have 290 Health, can buy Heart or a single pom
I presume Pom given I'm at max health on 3DD's
tight basin
yeah
wary adder
discharge
wary adder
i probably shouldve asked what the build is rn
marble inlet
Here we goooo
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~~i probably shouldve asked what the build is rn~~
Zeus Veng, Arti Dash-Strike & Attack, Dio Spec, and a handful of other ones. Also got JEBAITED by Hermes, no RD
wary adder
what aspect
vagrant crane
rama
weak zodiac
RD insto arti aid would be insane damage
wary adder
arte aid
tight basin
tbf full arti aid is a bigger burst than like zeus/dio small call lol
would be fun to see
vagrant crane
les than aph
wary adder
it is but it happens like twice every run
wary adder
thats fine you have like 4 million health
tight basin
les than aph
just crit duh
vagrant crane
true
marble inlet
ANOTHER DUB LETS GO
marble inlet
I tanked so many hits, like 3 full spins
weak zodiac
poseidon aid can insta kill dad, if you are lucky
tight basin
yeah just crit every hit on a full call lmao
marble inlet
Different League ftw
weak zodiac
you have bow, just stay away 😛
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I COMPLETELY FORGOT TO MEG
tight basin
time record?
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^
tight basin
what time
weak zodiac
hug dad for big boom
is it really that big? wiki says rama spec is 5dmg per arrow, and you have only 3
marble inlet
Lol
wary adder
does anyone have a video of rama instaphasing dad or something
tight basin
ocaml prob does in his 5:26
tight basin
well his last hit did 1/3 of the hp lmao
vagrant crane
o damn
tight basin
big crit
but he did have damage
bad spawns and a darkness or something
epic lunge, epic strike, rare lunge
perfect twin
2 darkness
also mistimed a shot entering phase 2
tight basin
/ what goes where
ares attack, has to be rare or epic
marble inlet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1145154316219465820/...
WOAH
tight basin
you start ares attack because you want early poms
get athena special next, hope you get ME on the next ares/athena boon
get divine dash
hope you get impending doom
then win
weak zodiac
so like any other ME fist run
tight basin
yeah
not exlusive to fist btw
it's just any melee aspect lmao
only exception is zeus shield
wary adder
MEris
tight basin
doesn't need dash and atk/special placement doesnt matter
MEris is based
still melee aspect
wary adder
dont you dare
strange lark
MEstia
tight basin
neMEsis is right there
marble inlet
Or that
strange lark
MErthur
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raME
marble inlet
ares attack, has to be rare or epic
Got it but no rarity. Do I reroll already
MEus lol
warm snow
sMEar
tight basin
reroll and pray and if you dont get good rarity just die and reset the seed
split rapids
Meus sounds like a cat version of zeus
marble inlet
Ok
tight basin
or give up and pick a different aspect to play
warm snow
wait a minute
marble inlet
Meus sounds like a cat version of zeus
Furry Zeus
warm snow
guan yu vs guan ME
tight basin
mean yu
marble inlet
or give up and pick a different aspect to play
Lol this route
I could do another Plume run but ehhh
Will do something different
warm snow
ares attack, has to be rare or epic
wait really
marble inlet
Oof
warm snow
i see
tight basin
it's actually horrendous
tight basin
that's like the worst castpect but sure lmao
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Unironically my fave Fist aspect but aight
split rapids
lvl 7 common doom is lvl 3 epic doom
isn't that the case for any common vs epic comparison
tight basin
some stuff rarity doesn't really matter
like zeus attack
yeah the damage difference is there but that's not the main damage source (ideally)
vagrant crane
185 rarity resets zeus attack on eris
marble inlet
185 rarity resets zeus attack on eris
Wha
tight basin
for a casual run common doom is fine but also it's just less fun
tight basin
Wha
185 is a player name lmao
no one resets 185 times for a rarity for a speedrun lol
tight basin
the last character is wrong isn't it
or does it get the radical because it's refering to a person name lmao
tight basin
lmfao
tight basin
if it's strictly numbers then you have to get rid of the radical in front of the 5
wary adder
ive just seen 185's name written like that before
tight basin
oh really
warm snow
lmao
wary adder
somewhere
vagrant crane
asphodel is actually the worst biome ever
vagrant crane
125 tart exit and im gonna be here with a 30x aspho exit
maybe 31x if i suck ass
240 lernie entrance
oh
i have no damage
315 
im resetting
wary adder
wary adder
a turbulent run we're having here
warm snow
asphodel is actually the worst biome ever
i was about to say
tight basin
did u guys know that ely exists
no
coral kayak
any good tips for Zeus shield? i haven’t figured out how to use it well.
warm snow
Are you building it right
thunder flourish, static discharge, Zeus' aid
really all you need
oh and explosive return
split rapids
you can make the shield return during any other attack so you can use that to control the position of the shield with some practice
solid wren
guan yu or sheilf of chaos build pls help
dapper harness
guan yu or sheilf of chaos build pls help
Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Charged Skewer > Quick Spin > Massive Spin > Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer and Serpent Wing also alright. And Breaching Skewer becomes top priority for the second hammer if you have Charged Skewer already.
Charged Skewer shortens the startup of Guan Yu's Special a whole lot and lets you hold your Special for up to triple base damage.
You'll want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish ideally, anyway, for the high % damage. Guan Yu's Special has 45 base damage, piercing, and wide AOE. Anything with % damage is good on Attack except Tempest Strike is unorthodox and requires fully leaning into Poseidon to make it work (though it can be effective and fun).
For optimal DPS, you're either doing Special > Dash-Strike x2 or Cast > Dash-Strike x2 with Guan Yu. Cast for single-target, Special when you can hit multiple enemies with it (or if you have Charged Skewer). And just your Special and reposition if it's enough to one-shot things (which it often is if you have Charged Skewer).
There are two ways to charge the spin: from a normal Attack and from a Dash-Attack. 99% of the time you want to charge from a Dash-Attack. And there are three ways to release a spin: let go of Attack, Dash, and Dash-Attack. Letting go of Attack is the safest method and how you want to release it most of the time. It's also usually the best method for keeping the spin on your enemy. Releasing with a dash gives you i-frames and a lot more range for the spin, but it travels faster. You mainly use that to quickly escape a situation or to throw your spin at very far-away enemies. And releasing with a Dash-Attack gives you the extra range that a Dash gives but without any of the i-frames, but the benefit is that you can immediately charge a new spin. This method is the most aggressive and best for DPS, and it can keep you within the Deflect spin if you happen to use Divine Strike.
solid wren
**Nyaanyaa's Guan Yu Guide**
Generally on Guan Yu, the hammers you want are Char...
Oh my goodness wow Tysm! 
lean hornet
Advice on keepsakes please.
General choices are
1- god
2-god
3- hourglass/egg(if item in shop) or collar if health under 200
4- acorn
Mostly looking for Elysium keepsake advice
lucid oar
Tooth/acorn are generally better defensive keepsakes than collar for elysium
Hourglass is very good though
lean hornet
I’m using collar for the normal rooms instead of the bosses and would rather not lose my DDs on the way to the boss
But I will take hourglass if my health isn’t low
eager flint
Sometimes it's also worth to get the coin purse to be able to buy one more boon or somesuch
I usually go for that if I don't need defense and don't have much coins
Oh, or sigil of the dead
lean hornet
Sometimes it's also worth to get the coin purse to be able to buy one more boon ...
Oh yeah forgot that existed
eager flint
Understandable, it's not the most flashy keepsake
quiet rain
does the spear's dash attack have enough range to proc Extending Jab?
valid dagger
does the spear's dash attack have enough range to proc Extending Jab?
Extending Jab only applies to Standing attacks
quiet rain
aight thanks
floral ledge
hey whats the world record for most health in 1 hades run?
i wanna try and go for it soon
arthur and the mirror +50 are obv
and then spiked collar
for a start of 200
but i wanna know what i have to beat
marble ridge
Not my silly ass choosing Hazard Bomb with Eris
vagrant crane
hey whats the world record for most health in 1 hades run?
some haelian vid
probably
he got like 900 something
920
acoustic skiff
hey whats the world record for most health in 1 hades run?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFw9QgeTys this one has 948 from 1 year ago
floral ledge
ty guys
marble ridge
What god should I use for Luci hellfire?
marble ridge
And Zeus for the beam right
proper furnace
Ye
marble ridge
I'm going for Arty so I can maybe get Support Fire
eager flint
you can also go supersoaker once. It's funny
Or go look a vid about it, it's probably less frustrating
marble ridge
Is Triple Beam good?
worn solar
its like fine, not superb or anything but helps in rooms
worn solar
pretty sure beams dont stack damage on the same target unlike bow triple shot
tight basin
You're also likely to get hit stunned out of it anyways lmao
marble ridge
Well I have SFire too so everything just kind of dies
warm snow
you can get seeking on Lucifer?
proper furnace
Support fire
warm snow
ok
marble inlet
OWWWW
I died to the stupid rat floor acid
marble ridge
Alright. Do I get Concentrated Beam, Targeting System, or Flash Fire?
vagrant crane
targ
vagrant crane
not really
marble ridge
Welp
Oh my god this dumbass butterfly ball spawned in the path of one of those arrow traps lol
floral ledge
whats the max ammount of casts someone has gotten in a run?
fickle igloo
whats the max ammount of casts someone has gotten in a run?
Like the highest level or just straight amount of casts
floral ledge
Like the highest level or just straight amount of casts
ammount
fickle igloo
No idea
floral ledge
Like the highest level or just straight amount of casts
i think highest level is by haelien at 51
fickle igloo
Yeah
warm snow
whats the max ammount of casts someone has gotten in a run?
someone got 9 in this server recently
echo fjord
Best shield aspect?
warm snow
Beowulf
marble ridge
Beo, but Zeus is better for beginners
Beo takes some building and knowledge of the game
warm snow
i would say zagshield is the easiest
proper furnace
Zeus shield hard yeah
marble ridge
I love giving Zeus shield the Zeus flourish and Support Fire and just watching stuff die
proper furnace
Support fire is surely doing something there
Anyways if it's just for wins I think just saying zeus/beowulf both work
floral ledge
Zeus shield hard yeah
zeus shield isnt hard what?
proper furnace
You just need to be told "get mirage shot through flood flare* for it to work
floral ledge
that was the first aspect i started using on aegis and i started melting
proper furnace
Sorry, high heat brainrot speakinh
echo fjord
What's the best weapon in the game?
proper furnace
Hard to use efficiently
floral ledge
What's the best weapon in the game?
uhhh idk
floral ledge
Hard to use *efficiently*
again idk what you mean im efficent with it to
proper furnace
What's the best weapon in the game?
Beo for zooming, zeus for absolute extreme heat (think 60+)
floral ledge
What's the best weapon in the game?
like, aspect? or weapon then aspect
echo fjord
like, aspect? or weapon then aspect
the latter
floral ledge
here hold on
proper furnace
again idk what you mean im efficent with it to
Manage the shield well enough to not lose dps, having it chase you around works just fine but when time is needed/what not learning to handle it is great
echo fjord
I want to optimize for high heat
floral ledge
Stygius: arthur/nemesis
Varatha: guan yu/achilles
aegis: Beowulf/zeus
Choronact: Rama/chiron
the fists: gilgamesh/Zag aspect
Exagryph: Eris
floral ledge
Stygius: arthur/nemesis
Varatha: guan yu/achilles
aegis: Beowulf/zeus
Choronact...
@echo fjord
wary adder
yeah
floral ledge
Best fists is demeter
what does demeter do?
wary adder
definitely not gilga
proper furnace
3/4 rails also work great
floral ledge
definitely not gilga <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
def gilga
proper furnace
Chiron is worse than hera
wary adder
I want to optimize for high heat
also how high are we talking
echo fjord
also how high are we talking
third skelly statue
proper furnace
what does demeter do?
Hit 12 times>uppercut does +5 hits
wary adder
the easiest 32 is probably with eris or beo
proper furnace
And fwiw 32 can be done with pretty much anything
echo fjord
also with beo what soul do I take?
vagrant crane
What's the best weapon in the game?
beowulf
wary adder
is there a beo guide for us to copy and paste
vagrant crane
Beo for zooming, zeus for absolute extreme heat (think 60+)
beo becomes hell past 55
floral ledge
also with beo what soul do I take?
soul?
proper furnace
also heat slots
For heat guide check #h1-high-heat-strategies pins
floral ledge
gimmie the beo mirror build
oh infernal
right right
yeah go infernal
cuz the timer for stypigan starts after you hit with beo
it sucks
infernal is the way to go fs
wary adder
id say eris is easier than beo if you just want to do one 32 heat
it can be hard to juggle casts at first
proper furnace
Only use for stygian in beo is memeing with trippy flare
Which is fun to get at least one good build with it
wary adder
unnecessarily large numbers
proper furnace
They are very necessary
floral ledge
WHAT LMAO
wary adder
bro nothing in the game needs like 6k damage
floral ledge
I POSTED A GIF? TF???
echo fjord
mirage or festive beowuolf?
floral ledge
get agrip
warm snow
bro nothing in the game needs like 6k damage
Gilgamesh does
wary adder
still would be a bottom 4 aspect
proper furnace
bro nothing in the game needs like 6k damage
If your hyper specific goal is to skip the dog summon then yeah it is
warm snow
i think 6k maim would be balanced though