How many chambers before the midshop was offered?
#h1-builds-and-combat
lucid oar
Earliest it can be offered in asphodel is after 2 non-midshops
And it’s only offered once total
(Or not at all)
narrow pike
So the position varies? I thought it was fixed like Chamber 10 in Region 1
lucid oar
It’s not fixed
narrow pike
🤯
lucid oar
In Tartarus it can be offered between c6 and 10 i believe
Actually you can get it in c11
narrow pike
Thunder Flourish + Cluster Bomb = can proc multiple bolts per enemy in one salvo, or not due to cooldown?
proper furnace
Cooldown
compact wedge
right know im doing a Chiron dio build and am in Tartarus I have drunk special Artemis cast and tidal dash relentless volley and a 50% special damage from chaos and splitting head ache and exclusive excess so the run is on pace to be my best chiron run
narrow pike
Swift Flourish seems to have no effect on Aspect of Chaos. What a waste of perfectly good Hermes...
narrow pike
- Switch to unranked Infernal Soul
- Demeter → Ravenous Will
- Shoot your Bloodstone in some direction and don't pick it up
- 10-30% general damage bonus profit?
Could work if for some bizarre reason you know you'll be running Demeter and it's not a cast build
vagrant crane
you could also just shoot all 3 casts at once
narrow pike
Technically yes, but if you know you're not going to run a cast build, normally you'd use the Mirror anyway to prepare Stygian Soul. Might as well prepare unranked Infernal Soul for this case. But eh doesn't matter
Not gonna reset your talents between runs
vagrant crane
well infernal has worse rd odds
narrow pike
Anyone knows if Sweet Surrender is additive with other damage %?
Also more generally: is enemy damage vulnerability additive with our damage buff %?
Or multiplicative
vagrant crane
it's additive
round umbra
* Switch to _unranked_ Infernal Soul
* Demeter → Ravenous Will
* Shoot your Bloo...
But lightning rods
narrow pike
Anyone knows what exactly builds the God Gauge? I've noticed that it builds way quicker when using Zeus lightning damage, Hangover damage, or Hunting Blades, which indicates that it builds per damage instance. Does it scale at all with damage inflicted, or only with the number of hits? Is the formula known?
proper furnace
Short version is that is both but dmg has dimishing returns
Hit frequency being better at call
narrow pike
Hmm good to know
vagrant crane
jesus christ strats
proper furnace
So for example charon% speedruns use guan yu to lose so much hp that you get instant max gauge
vagrant crane
at least for some cats
well
its one cat
for some subcats
idk if jesus christ strat goes that far
unmodded unseeded is hestia tho
proper furnace
Was I thinking of a route or just confused the weapon
vagrant crane
route seems to be eris apparently
eager flint
Damn, either Talos aspect sucks or I suck
tight basin
talos does suck
proper furnace
it sucks
eager flint
Tried it with a blizzard shot build, when everything goes right it deals good damage (although not insane build level) but it's so hard to make it works
Yeah, I thought so
Worst part is, I feel like it sucks because the magnetic cutter is so jank. If it worked more comfortably I imagine it wouldn't be that bad
tight basin
it being jank is only part of why it sucks
vagrant crane
it mostly is the fact that it exists
tight basin
lmao kinda true
eager flint
tight basin
stickier special makes it annoying to use
it doing 20 damage ruins fiery presence and can't one shot tart witches and maybe some other stuff
eager flint
It's also dumb to have the special be an initiation move. That thing takes two years to complete its animation
tight basin
and then yeah jank
vagrant crane
you can cancel the special part
and only do pull
much easier than not doing pull and specialing
tight basin
It's also dumb to have the special be an initiation move. That thing takes two y...
dash uppers are way faster which is what you normally do on other fists
except talos adds length to the animation because of the magnetic thingy dealing 20 damage
also that
eager flint
I heard that, but it seems a bit tight, no ? I didn't practice tbh
tight basin
hit special then dash immediately to cancel the upper anim and get the pull
tight basin
I heard that, but it seems a bit tight, no ? I didn't practice tbh
yeah but it's not hard
eager flint
Gotcha
tight basin
there's no unique timing or anything, just be fast with it
if you mash it pretty fast you should get it
eager flint
Still needs a dash though, it's like... just annoying to use
vagrant crane
solution is using dem
eager flint
Like Talos just sucks to use, even power aside. And on top of that it's weak
tight basin
if you want to do a dash attack into a dash upper in the same dash (doesn't work on talos i think) then there's a more specific timing
also yeah just dont use talos
or if you do use talos, just dont use the special
eager flint
Yeah
It's weird that the game is so well made 95% of the time, and then there's some stinky design decisions like Talos
tight basin
dw there's more stinky things
eager flint
Oh yeah I know
tight basin
chaos shield (used to be good in early access tho), all spears, zag sword
tight basin
people (singular)
eager flint
Who are they and how do they do
vagrant crane
it just happens to be ass
vagrant crane
Who are they and how do they do
sleep is the main talos player
ananke by extension
tight basin
Who are they and how do they do
they've said that there's so many techs on talos that make it better but it still underperforms demeter lmao
eager flint
It still kills me that the normal sword combo is so bad
eager flint
Ok, I'll look at some of their runs if they're on youtube or what, I'm curious
tight basin
It still kills me that the normal sword combo is so bad
use dash strikes
special -> dash strikes -> repeat
eager flint
Yeah, but it feels weird that dash strikes are almost necessary on sword
vagrant crane
Ok, I'll look at some of their runs if they're on youtube or what, I'm curious
are you expecting them to be bad lmfao
they're not
vagrant crane
eager flint
Yeah, I have no doubts they're great. Never heard of Sleep, but Ananke is cracked I know that much
tight basin
sleep is the guy who made the speedrunning basics video
eager flint
Although I imagine Talos is the least played fist aspect for Ananke.
warm snow
what does ananke do?
tight basin
fists boy
they play fists very well lmao
he wrote an overall guide for fists
6:11 on gilga, tied with cherry iirc
warm snow
oh now i remember
tight basin
ye
eager flint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HQzn_gUJTM
Imma watch that run, ty
eager flint
Ok yeah it's what I thought, Sleep crushed that run more in spite of Talos than thanks to it
Gonna looks up Ananke's run, but I imagine it's the same. Merciful end is just optimal on fist. Even demeter, despite actually having a good aspect
tight basin
ME is optimal on almost every melee weapon lmao
eager flint
Yeah true
strange lark
ME is optimal on every weapon
tight basin
the ones that dont use ME have some funny gimmick that still make it work
chaos shield funny gimmick is getting epic rd
it was not epic rd
eager flint
chaos shield funny gimmick is going out for a walk while I'm desperately trying to attack
tight basin
wtf
eager flint
damn, sub 6 chaos shield, that's awesome
I don't know really all the times for different aspects
tight basin
somethign something everything has sub6 except arthur, gilga, and chiron
beo, hera, and achilles have a sub5
vagrant crane
614 chiron 611 gilga 603 or something arthur
mystic ananke/cherry bablo
559 zeus shield
545 choas
eager flint
tbh I don't really mind arthur, gilga and chiron not being as good for speedrunning. They're still fun casually. Maybe high heat, haven't really tackled that part of the game yet
vagrant crane
430 beo 439 hera 455 achilles 504 eris 519 hestia 525 zagspear 527 lucifer
what other aspects exist
tight basin
tbh I don't really mind arthur, gilga and chiron not being as good for speedrunn...
none of those are good at high heat either lmao
vagrant crane
chiron is so bad
eager flint
none of those are good at high heat either lmao
Oh well, there's still casual fun I guess then
tight basin
arthur does have a 57 and idk how that happened to be frank
vagrant crane
the issue is that chiron is not fun
warm snow
to you
vagrant crane
its soooooo slooooooow
warm snow
known bug
tight basin
news flash, hardcore speedrunner does not like the slow aspect
vagrant crane
press q -> go for a walk -> climb mount everest -> your first arrow has arrived
eager flint
that's how I feel with chaos shield
strange lark
imagine pressing q for special
warm snow
well nobody likes chaos shield
warm snow
imagine pressing q for special
FRRRR
eager flint
There are only two good things about chaos shield :
- it looks cool
- you get chaos as your couch commentator
vagrant crane
optimal
eager flint
ok, talos feels much better with a little thing like 4 duos and epic rush delivery
Must be a good aspect 
(ice wine + scintillating feast + lightning rod + cold fusion)
tight basin
Just a few things
narrow pike
Only pommable boons are purgeable?
vagrant crane
no
narrow pike
How come Nourished Soul isn't purgeable?
warm snow
c7 sea storm
warm snow
How come Nourished Soul isn't purgeable?
it gives you an 'item' (health)
eager flint
Unless you're on Lasting Consequences 4, in which case tough luck
vagrant crane
beo special only
jesus christ
its so bad
it's like gy if it was super mega ass
tight basin
Well you have no scaling other the cflight lmao
Tempest flourish sure but no shoals
Also nice stone
warm snow
its so bad
i mean at least i have seas storm
vagrant crane
i do too
warm snow
but chaos screwed me
vagrant crane
it doesntt do anytthing
tight basin
Get jolted duh
warm snow
and i'm taking KoSP in the longest time ever
but yeah i got jolted luckily
epic shoals just before heroes
flat bone
Does anyone have a good Cold Embrace Build?
it seems like a very funny boon to experiment with
acoustic skiff
I guess you'd build pretty much the same way as you would for crystal clarity
hope for glacial glare and pom the hell out of it
with stygian soul of course
hope for extra casts from chaos and from wells
maybe take hourglass keepsake in styx
worn solar
flat bone
hope for glacial glare and pom the hell out of it
thanks, what weapon?
I saw that Poseidon gives a straight 50% damage boost to casts
acoustic skiff
For demeter I usually take achilles spear
flat bone
makes sense, it does give a long dash basically
acoustic skiff
yeah and the bonus lasts for the whole crystal duration I believe
runic plinth
How do you build Hades spear? You focus on the spin? Aphro?
wary adder
i think you just do merciful end and only use the spin between waves and stuff
proper furnace
How do you build Hades spear? You focus on the spin? Aphro?
Exploding launcher and hope to the gods you get charged akewer later
woven nexus
Ok yeah I'm digging Poseidon aspect over Nemesis. Just need to max that aspect.
Is Crush shot the best for Pos aspect?
it's one of the best lodging casts
woven nexus
pos shot launches them so far making retrieval hard
random tapir
Well, you launch them into enemies
random tapir
Enemy dies, pick it up
proper furnace
Phalanx and crush shot have the best base dmg yeah
random tapir
Athena is okay but it depends a lot on the duo
random tapir
The aoe is pretty small I think
proper furnace
Main issue is that if you miss phalanx it goes flying off to nowhere
random tapir
Yeah there's that
woven nexus
sheeeesh, Darker Thirst is not hitting Rail for a long time
proper furnace
I still prefer it to crush shot personally tho
random tapir
These things are mostly a headache in asphodel
proper furnace
Can't deal with the short range
random tapir
The short range is a downer
Nice thing with Poseidon cast is that you get a jump start on mirage shot
Which is always a good duo
For cast builds
proper furnace
I like flood shot but not on normal cast weapons
woven nexus
is it even worth going mirage even if it ain't the bugged Beo?
proper furnace
Is a solid duo yeah
proper furnace
But I treat it as more of a "good if i comes up"
random tapir
Almost everything in this game is additive
proper furnace
You don't see people trying to pick it on hera for example
(and if you are taking flood shot to force mirage, then yeah ig you pick it cuz the lower base dmg )
random tapir
On hera I think people just go crush because the base damage is higher, makes picking up easier and there's no downside
Right
proper furnace
But anyways cast weapon + flood shot into mirage is a common build I've seen
random tapir
Yeah
proper furnace
Phalanx achilles is fun
random tapir
Yeah the mobbing is hilarious
woven nexus
I've abandoned any pretense that I'm gonna bother doing spear or sword traditionally
although it is quite fun to get spear boons to make spin attacks faster and stronger
I prefer Cast builds on those 2 weapons
random tapir
Yeah, the actual move sets are eh and depend more on specific hammers
woven nexus
sword is just.....
proper furnace
Spear is always so hammer needy
random tapir
You could try arthur
woven nexus
the best build from observation if we go traditionally is a dash strike spamming crit?
random tapir
If you haven't
random tapir
Yeah I didn't enjoy nemesis
proper furnace
Yeah best build is dash strike
random tapir
The 4 cast aspects are great. For non cast weapons I think the only ones I love are Eris, Hestia, and Rama
proper furnace
If you want to meme there is the usual flurry slash + cursed slash
proper furnace
The 4 cast aspects are great. For non cast weapons I think the only ones I love ...
Eris is a better cast weapon than talos 
woven nexus
so the 4 cast aspects are Beo, Hera, Pos, and Achilles?
proper furnace
Talos also buffs cast dmg
random tapir
Overall feels like sword, spear, fist kinda get the shaft to me. The other 3 weapons are in way better shape
random tapir
so the 4 cast aspects are Beo, Hera, Pos, and Achilles?
Yeah, Talos maybe technically but I don't count it
proper furnace
I count it to shame it
random tapir
Lol
woven nexus
I mean it's pretty fun going ME on fist. But not being able to get it is just so....fail-inducing
random tapir
I don't really count eris as a cast aspect personally
woven nexus
I treat Eris more of the true Clocket aspect
random tapir
Since it's a global buff
woven nexus
And Zeus atk is pretty fun
random tapir
Eris for me is the flat damage aspect. Zeus and Poseidon and sea stirm, it gets pretty crazy
That's the damage that gets boosted the least on any other weapon so it's fun on Eris. Dio too I suppose but I don't like dio
proper furnace
Drunk eris my beloved
Specially if you treat it as "how many poms can I fit into this thing"
woven nexus
every run is a Smair build waiting to happen
random tapir
True
woven nexus
unless you have Hades/Aphro Call. That would be rough
random tapir
Not sure why people think that
I've intentionally gone for aphro call and smair
It's great
proper furnace
You technically can do smair dad call
woven nexus
requires so much rarity and poms for the permastun to work
proper furnace
It'll just do nothing
random tapir
For permastun on Hades, sure
woven nexus
i meant Smair Aphro
random tapir
But it's not all or nothing
Like on a recent run I had aphro call with a few poms it had 9 second duration
So against regular enemies you're charming two enemies constantly
Against Hades he's charmed 3/5 of the time
That's a lot. He barely ends up attacking you
Plus he kills the mobs that he summons
woven nexus
that requires planning to increase Aphro Call levels though, right?
it aint' exactly a "winging it" strat
random tapir
Well, I just pommed it a couple times
This wasn't 10 poms or something
The base charm duration is already 5 seconds
Even with just the base one, it's already pretty significant how you can interrupt Hades attack strings
random tapir
Yeah
I got them both once
Even had clouded judgement at epic I think
It was kind of funny. Literally around 3-3.5 seconds per cast
proper furnace
Quick favor 
random sequoia
I've read the guide that's pinned, it gives so many interesting builds for the gauntlets
But how can you make Demeter attack work?
You need as many ways to stack chill right?
And then do the thing where the enemies explode at 10 stacks
valid dagger
But how can you make Demeter attack work?
You rely on another source to deal your damage
woven nexus
what i prefer on Demeter is her HP drain
proper furnace
Yo use it on hestia for it's % bonus
woven nexus
that boon is amazing on bosses
due to how easy it is to apply Chill on "all" enemies
aka....1 boss
proper furnace
killing freeze my beloved
round umbra
And then do the thing where the enemies explode at 10 stacks
Yeah, the % bonus us more significant than chill. Chill is just a nice afterthought, even more so the boon that explodes clearing chill
woven nexus
the apply 10 chill boon for the explosion is something you'd only do for like....Demeter attack fist and demeter dash
that'd make it apply fast
proper furnace
Chiron demeter babyyyyy
woven nexus
but if you're going to go heavy Demeter
round umbra
The the attack and special are better on big slow things. If you get the right hammers for Chiron you can make it work ueah
woven nexus
might as well go Demeter cast builds
round umbra
Beams still only really cares about 2.5 Demeter boons.
Clearing chill might not really be worth it imo. That damage is so insignificant compared to the laser itself, esp with Achilles, and you lose chill time
random sequoia
due to how easy it is to apply Chill on "all" enemies
I have yet to use that one in a build cause I never get it
random sequoia
the apply 10 chill boon for the explosion is something you'd only do for like......
Yeah, I want to use it on the attack
I usually just run Dionysus attack on the fists or the dash
But I want to try a Demeter attack focused build
With the secondary boons from her that make it do good damage
What would work for that?
What 2 gods would be a good mix of boons for that?
proper furnace
If you want to do hangover builds you only really want aphro or ares for their duos
narrow pike
Hangover builds benefit from Pressure Points (ticks can crit) and Support Fire (they're spammy), and aforementioned Duos are great
If you can make a Duo happen, then great, if you can't, at least you can add Artemis to your pool
proper furnace
Support fire is more of a fists things but yeah is always decent
woven nexus
Loving the Eris build on Lucifer
the Zeus atk is chaining multiple hellfires
got the boon that allows for consecutive special firing up to 3 timees
random sequoia
But yeah, can you do some strong damage Demeter builds that are not Cast builds?
And what would be the minimum requirement for one on fists?
The attack for stacking it fast and then the explosion?
Or do you need the killing boon with decay?
woven nexus
possibly ask bananas or someone else about that
I haven't tried Demeter laser builds
vagrant crane
But yeah, can you do some strong damage Demeter builds that are not Cast builds?
demeter is basically always a supporting god
meme beams are a meme
she excels on cast builds because she has ravenous will and snow burst
nonpommable support boons that boost cast damage or aoe
the best builds you find that have a core are basically ones where the specific chill application is not what matters
it’s gonna be on hestia or rama or something where the attack is epic
random tapir
you could still do demeter on attack and it would be "okay", just not amazing. But it's not like you'll have trouble finishing a run.
If you otherwise play well.
it's too bad arctic blast isn't pommable
and killing freeze also can't be pommed
random sequoia
and killing freeze *also* can't be pommed
Oh wow, that sucks that neither of them are yeah
I think the damage runs with her would be good with that ngl
Also, when starting a Merciful End build on the fists, is it common to go for Athena or Ares first?
vagrant crane
ares
every time
on like gy you can start athena
if the special has damage that can carry the run for a while
but that is not fast with fists
and pretty miserable
random tapir
The nice thing about Athena first is usually you want an extra Athena boon; special + dash vs ares just on attack
Tartarus is easy enough that I don't mind starting with Athena if it raises the chance at the final build
proper furnace
You lose out on doom poms
runic plinth
So. I wanna try a ME build with zeus shield. I think I messed up. I got athena attack
Shouldnt I get ares attack and athena special?
runic plinth
in that case, the shield hammer that doubles attacks would work?
runic plinth
yeah but why would I use the block shot anyway
worn solar
because damage
runic plinth
should I spam attack fast to apply it
runic plinth
the doom I mean
vagrant crane
just like
do minimum charge cshot if u get it
idk how play zeus i have like an 820 or something slow
runic plinth
so you are saying I should do minimum charges instead of fast attacking? I am just asking, I dont have experience with zeus shield of doom
valid dagger
so you are saying I should do minimum charges instead of fast attacking? I am ju...
A min charge with cshot is 80 and a max charge is 80
runic plinth
Not what I am sking. For a ME build, isn;t it better to spam attack?
valid dagger
Not what I am sking. For a ME build, isn;t it better to spam attack?
Nah you’re better off doing a dash strike followed by a min charge cshot and repeat. Cshot is pretty good additional damage even if ME is your main source. Trying to chain dash strikes and standing attacks is pretty janky to do
If you have no cshot then yea, bull rushes are pretty slow comparatively so you’ll just attack and bullrush only for the safety
runic plinth
so I am basically playing like a bow kinda?
valid dagger
Well cshot is essentially a bow projectile but it’s not a rhythm that you perfect in that sense. So ig that’s the similar part, but Zeus has a lot more complexity, especially when you have to remember that you’re doing all that while you manage where your Special is and keep it close to you for maximum maneuverability etc
And it’s more on the melee side because you’re always up close and not afraid to get interrupted because you have your block/bullrush and because you want your dash strikes to connect to maximize ME dmg
runic plinth
Ok another thing about zeus shield, what does swift flourish actually do?
travel speed?
valid dagger
I’m pretty sure it’s just throw speed
runic plinth
do I want it? or will it mess things up?
valid dagger
So if you recall it you can throw it back again quickly
It wont mess with anything but you basically wont notice it, it’s not helpful
runic plinth
greatest reflex it is then
valid dagger
More dash strikes more damage
runic plinth
I am having trouble understanding exactly how to play this build
I am not sure I am doing it right
it;s kinda complicated for me
valid dagger
Just give it a couple tries. Eventually you get more comfortable with it. Zeus is just like that, it’s very unintuitive. Alternatively, you can sub Cshot for Explosive Return.
Might make it easier to work with since it puts the pressure on just managing your Special well
random tapir
You lose out on doom poms
Good point
runic plinth
Dont have ME yet
However I found epic impending doom and that stacking doom boon
lol
valid dagger
Are you using Doom Special or attack
valid dagger
You could swap them
runic plinth
how do I do that
valid dagger
Next run take Ares Special
runic plinth
oh you mean of a different run
valid dagger
Yea
I find it easier with Doom special
And it has better pom scaling and base dmg
And if you do get cshot snd % atk is better
runic plinth
If you have athena attack on shield, will you reflect while blocking?
runic plinth
Dashing Wallop, Breaching Rush, Sudden Rush
wallop worth?
it wont apply doom on the aoe, will it
valid dagger
Nah, it’s between Sudden and Breaching. I’m big on Sudden but both are valid
runic plinth
ok ME acquired
lets see
this damage is pure insanity
also it seems to have some kinda internal cooldown, so spamming attack aint even worth it
random tapir
Yeah me good
And typically you also get significant defensive benefits on top of incredible damage
runic plinth
OK...does ME REQUIRE ares attack/special AND athena attack/Special?
Athena dash is not enough?
vagrant crane
OK...does ME REQUIRE ares attack/special AND athena attack/Special?
yes
wary adder
ddash does not unlock ME
runic plinth
this is why I should check the boon list befre I try something
4 athena boons wasted because I had no flourish and kept rerolling
gg
round umbra
Cold embrace hera we go?
south sonnet
which aspects are best for cast builds?
worn solar
achilles, beo, and hera mainly
south sonnet
no poseidon?
worn solar
poseidon is like achilles if it was worse
tight basin
Poseidon is when you want to play Achilles but sword and worse
woven nexus
Poseidon is when your Darker Thirst is in sword instead of spear
The less I use the sword naturally, the better.
Its not too fun for me to spam dash strike with sword
rapid topaz
no poseidon?
Only take Poseidon when you want to dislodge the pain :)) Otherwise it's meh. It's satisfying though using Arti boon to force those cast stack with Stygian soul out of the target but other than that it won't even as satisfying as Hera
vagrant crane
well i mean if ur comparing damage against hera there is only one good aspect
wild stone
fellas i am trying out fists for the first time and have
-lightning strike
-hunter dash
-urge to kill
these all seem very synergistic with the fists and i have no idea which one to prioritize upgrading at all
also don't have "aspects" yet, killed the boss twice so far though
vagrant crane
fellas i am trying out fists for the first time and have
-lightning strike
-hunt...
urge to kill is basically useless
hdash is not that good on base fists
just pom lightning strike and jolted
sell urge to krill and hdash and get divine or tidal or blade dash
wild stone
yeah they're so fast but low base it makes sense that scaling wouldn't be that great with %s
damn
either +6 lightning bounces
or +88 jolt damage
seems like jolt is probably still better
must take people a long while to feel super sure about whatever they build into for this game i hate how often two options feel compelling at a glance lol
wild stone
sell urge to krill and hdash and get divine or tidal or blade dash
i am not seeing an option to sell them unfortunately
did i pick up too many things since then
vagrant crane
rip
dont need to sell urge to krill
but hdash taking up a slot
worth noting that dash strike bonuses on fists also apply to dash upper
wild stone
hopefully i can swap it out later at least anyway
vagrant crane
so it's not completely useless
you wanna do dash uppers instead of standing specials anyways
wild stone
i could sell swift strike or slicing shot rn
wild stone
you wanna do dash uppers instead of standing specials anyways
i've just been spamming normal attack to proc the lightning tho
tight basin
Boon guide for Zeus is more or less
Lightning strike -> jolted -> Zeus call if you already got your Hermes or don't care about good Hermes -> double strike -> splitting bolt
Important to note that double strike is opened by the call
If none of those options are available you take heavens vengeance
Or storm lightning
tight basin
You cant get double strike from the attack
wild stone
i haven't played this game in at least 2 years and i'm on a new save and have very little basic knowledge probably
tight basin
There's 2 types of Zeus boons
Chain lightning or thunder bolts
Only his attack and cast are chain lightning, everything else is a bolt
Double strike is exclusive to bolts and not chains
wild stone
currently i could go for zeus or athena door and i'm thinking i might go for athena to try to replace my dash with a more useful one
tight basin
Worth a shot but it's a pretty low chance
wild stone
damn
tight basin
On one of the 4 slots lol
You only bank on a replace if you don't have a choice and the run will die without it
You might as well go Zeus tbh
Or take Athena call which is pretty good
wild stone
oh golly gee concentrated knuckle looks Good
does it have a low max stack or something?? that looks potentially overpowered
rapid topaz
fellas i am trying out fists for the first time and have
-lightning strike
-hunt...
Lighning strike. Usually with fist i would love to get a good Call
Drunk fist also fun to play when your mission from the whole run is to fist them till max stack of Drunkness. And enjoy their HP burn through
tight basin
does it have a low max stack or something?? that looks potentially overpowered
It gets canceled by dash strikes lol
It's pretty useless
I guess it's technically some additional flat damage but it's not a whole lot and not worth building around
wild stone
so far shield seems easiest to win with
tight basin
Infinite block kinda good
rapid topaz
The hidden heat appeared in an ultimate weapon Aspect is Guan Yu :))
Less heal, Less HP by 75% - 50% if maxed is the hidden curse for every run
vagrant crane
just don’t get hit
wild stone
Infinite block kinda good
yeah 3 wins with it already
i guess this is the first thing i'll pick an aspect for
worn solar
zeus stonks
woven nexus
How would you rate GY vs worst sword aspect with Daedalus lifesteal boon?
worn solar
cskewer gy can actually kill things and from far away so
vagrant crane
arthur is really good at being awful
and cursed slash arthur actually sounds horrifying
worn solar
i think someone did cslash arthur as their 32 heat strat
rapid topaz
I always get the wrong weapon boon with GY so yeah, adding misery to the curse
worn solar
it’s always ri3 with these cursed strats
idk it was prob from reddit
woven nexus
Ive used GY only 2 times. Have yet to get skewer
Daed boons cannot be rerolled is cursed
Fates cant control Daedalus
worn solar
#h1-victory-boasting message well i found the routed 58 heat flurry cursed zag sword run instead
rapid topaz
Daedalus escaped the maze on his own so yeah. Fate can go to the chicken coop
Not his son Icarus though
woven nexus
Is Arthur the majority's pick of worst sword?
worn solar
its certainly mine
rapid topaz
Yep, With the slow poke, i always picking the dash damage and call for cheese play
:))
worn solar
think its the slowest for speed runs and lowest for heat out of them
idk tho havent checked
tight basin
I think gilga is slower
Arthur also has unmodded 57 heat
Prob about same for gilga tbh
vagrant crane
Is Arthur the majority's pick of worst sword?
yes
rapid topaz
But with Gilgamesh you still have the dash spam
vagrant crane
arthur is actual garbage
rapid topaz
I love it with Dio dash spam or Demeter
vagrant crane
those are the 2 worst dashes in the game
rapid topaz
If i am slow the room goes slow with me
woven nexus
Gilga has a very dangerous doom debuff that also acts as a damage amplifier on both sides
vagrant crane
yea arthur has 57 and nem has 58
woven nexus
At least Gilga can be used for Dash builds
vagrant crane
i’m sure zagsword and pos could probably do 58 but i’d guess nobody wants to
worn solar
okay i need to see this arthur 57
woven nexus
Gilga rift dashes are fun
tight basin
okay i need to see this arthur 57 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
By nephi
vagrant crane
it’s so obscene
woven nexus
Wonder how much bullying can Tdash Gilga do
tight basin
It's not on the spreadsheet
vagrant crane
nephi too cracked
woven nexus
Ares lego stacking works on multiple rifts?
rapid topaz
Yep
woven nexus
Gilga Ares rift builds indeed
rapid topaz
It sucks in hard
But sadly the duo boon with Grandma and Artemis don't count on dash
rapid topaz
Is fun seeing dancing freeze blade dashing through the room
woven nexus
Its feels like a worse ice wine
rapid topaz
Wish boon of Ice wine
:))
Hope that in Hades 2 they will get the cast having more chance in various type of weapon. The Fist cast type is really MID
woven nexus
All i ask for Hades 2 are.....more boss variety
rapid topaz
Love the yoyo build though but won't get any where near the satisfaction as Achilles
vagrant crane
all weps have a castspect
woven nexus
Like any other roguelite combat
vagrant crane
it’s just that some of them are less good or less castspect than others
poseidon, achilles, beo, hera, talos, eris
rapid topaz
The gun don't have cast spec though
woven nexus
I just realized that Eris or Lucifers can naturally turn into Smair builds
rapid topaz
pretty weird
woven nexus
Eris is universal
vagrant crane
eris
woven nexus
While Achilles are only 3 types
marble inlet
poseidon, achilles, beo, hera, talos, eris
Talos for that? Huh
rapid topaz
I would love to see a loading spell cast on gun where you load the cast you enhance the bullet
woven nexus
You can say Eris can be the cast build
woven nexus
Just that its more versatile but less insane numbers than achilles
marble inlet
talos gives +50% cast damage
How do I not remember this
woven nexus
Oops
rapid topaz
But it can do the yoyo move
marble inlet
I would love to see a loading spell cast on gun where you load the cast you enha...
It'd have to be like a shotgun-y aspect, I think
vagrant crane
i think that’s called bad hestia
woven nexus
I would love to see a loading spell cast on gun where you load the cast you enha...
So youre saying you just want Hera to look like a gun
Correction
FLURRY Hera
marble inlet
Do people rebind the reload button on console? I tried that and it didnt go well
rapid topaz
Nope, it's more like an upgrade for the whole bullet shot until you reload the gun again
Yep
woven nexus
I just let it be on joystick button
rapid topaz
I change the button to LB
vagrant crane
Do people rebind the reload button on console? I tried that and it didnt go well
yes
everyone ever
except 185 for some reason
but that’s like the very first thing most people change on console
fine on kbm tho
marble inlet
Noted
rapid topaz
The L3 and R3 i don't want to use that much since the controller could slip into oblivion
woven nexus
My controller aint bad so pressing that button doesnt feel like a hassle
worn solar
my reload is on y
marble inlet
Where's your special then
worn solar
rt
marble inlet
Then where's the God guage
woven nexus
He doesnt use it
worn solar
l3
woven nexus
worn solar
marble inlet
I seee
woven nexus
So anyways last time i used Eris was back in Normal Mode
Before i deleted it to be perma hell
Cant wait to Smair build
worn solar
perma cp1 my beloved
woven nexus
Jury summons is more annoying
vagrant crane
eris is so bad doesn’t even have a good bullet like lucifer does
woven nexus
Imo
vagrant crane
only 10 damage
even with heroic aphrodite attack it doesn’t work
eris is trash
worst gun ever
woven nexus
rapid topaz
Well you can turn Eris into a BDSM build with Hammer 300% damage though
:))
The more pain the more damage
rapid topaz
woven nexus
Eris is the best clocket medium
marble inlet
I found the other day that the whole "absorb the special blast for temp bonus damage" actually does work with Rocket Bomb from the hammer. Very neat
vagrant crane
it’s still best first hammer
worn solar
not having to wait for the special to land is really convenient
vagrant crane
that’s why hazard is annoying
every so often i try out hazard start hestia in anyheat
rapid topaz
it's the underworld in Greek and somehow Hades son got a Bazooka
vagrant crane
and remember they don’t use it for a reason
rapid topaz
Daedalus at his finest creation meant for Zag to become Rambo
marble inlet
not having to wait for the special to land is really convenient
Yea. It's quicker than the special normally lmao
marble inlet
it's the underworld in Greek and somehow Hades son got a Bazooka
Yeah and?
woven nexus
it's the underworld in Greek and somehow Hades son got a Bazooka
Lucifer is a goddamn laser
Supergiant just wants to implement The Calamity from Bastion in here
rapid topaz
Well Daedalus just got an A team idea in his mind
where Hades has his son missile him till death
I see you at home
marble inlet
Lol
woven nexus
Plume
vagrant crane
use max level plume
marble inlet
Magic
woven nexus
3 star
vagrant crane
and talk to him
rapid topaz
After so many runs, the dialog stop even with max plume
😐
I already maxed the plum but somehow the dialog won't running in both of the saves.
woven nexus
You sure he's max nectar and exhausted dialogue too?
rapid topaz
yes, i already complete it, weird bugs, do i have to wear the plum for the dialog to open?
vagrant crane
yes, i already complete it, weird bugs, do i have to wear the plum for the dialo...
yes
rapid topaz
that explains why,... i haven't worn it.
😐
Imagine going through the Onion challenge and the room toss at you mini carts wheel of misery
or Butterfly hellish
woven nexus
As much fun as Hunting Blades are, what other cast builds should I go for with Achilles?
Mirage Shot?
vagrant crane
lightning phalanx
woven nexus
just recently with pos aspect with that
any other mixes?
go simple with Crush Shot Smair?
lucid oar
Crush shot has range issues when not used on hera
Curse of drowning and blizzard shot with flood shot are both pretty fun
Also meme beams
woven nexus
and here i am going crush shot on Pos aspect because you're goddamn near anyways
but yeah i forgot one thing
crush shot is lodging
so that's a minor con for Achilles
unless I get Hermes cast boons
lucid oar
Yeah Poseidon has that advantage
Although with Achilles’ high raw damage you’ll often one shot enemies with casts and the drop time doesn’t really matter
rapid topaz
As much fun as Hunting Blades are, what other cast builds should I go for with A...
Mirage Shot Laser Artemis. If you want misery try Aphro Laser :))
rapid topaz
thats a LOT of duos.
You can try Purple Stygian bomb on Achilles. The requirement only needs Zeus or Demeter duo boon to make it good. If you wants to run for a perfect run. Ice wine + Thunder duo + Chaos giving more Cast slots. (Mirage optional) The satisfaction goes highest.
woven nexus
Raw Flood Shot is so bad without any form of dislodging or retrieval
should've gone for Dio
rapid topaz
Raw flood shot only good with Duo Zeus and Mirage + Stygian Soul. :))
proper furnace
Flood shot good for breaking wave
random tapir
hunting blades, beams, phalanx, and curse of drowning I've all tried, they're all quite strong and fun.
beams, IMHO, is by far the most annoying to go for out of all of those though
Does blizzard shot lodge or not? I got it once by accident on some build but don't remember. I should try that.
(seems like it doesn't lodge)
I wonder if it still triggers sea storm
proper furnace
Doesn't lodge, prob procs it?
rapid topaz
(seems like it doesn't lodge)
Blizzard shot won't lodge, the most simple use is to release the arrow as close at possible so that the boon crush the target the most. And it does trigger Sea Storm perfectly. Not in range throw though.
random tapir
do the shards trigger sea storm, or just the main shot?
also this is pretty neat stuff
I will definitely try this next
rapid topaz
The main shot triggers sea storm the blizzard behind won't. But it could do insane damage if release correctly, 2 casts for 2k damage (I prefer Achilles + Stygian Soul)
If you get lucky PP also make this slow poke crit :))
random tapir
does stygian really make sense with this though? I guess in asphodel it will be a bit annoying because itw ill pierce everything and go to the lava, but other than that it should be easy to pick up instantly
I've done 2-3 attempts at stygian cast builds and I really didn't enjoy it
so much pressure to get extra casts from chaos
rapid topaz
does stygian really make sense with this though? I guess in asphodel it will be ...
the Hades daddy boss room if you release the cast into the deep pond of water on the top right, bottom mid and bottom right; you can't collect the cast because it falls out of the screen, so yeah, if you want to do Blizzard shot becareful with the angle you are releasing
The most obnoxious about Stygian is getting Hermes blessing or Chaos Blessing
Otherwise you could buy at the last moment in the Charon Shop for +1 cast item
random tapir
The most obnoxious about Stygian is getting Hermes blessing or Chaos Blessing
yeah, pretty much. Also it puts a lot of pressure to use rerolls at chaos, I find
fallow lantern
I'm going to do a Hera run
What should I do with it?
random tapir
that means using fewer rerolls to actually get your duos etc
random tapir
I'm going to do a Hera run
What should I do with it?
crush shot is a pretty common choice
it has really high base damage, reduces damage to you, and iirc a lot of other casts will "keep going" where the arrow ends, so if you miss it's harder to retrive your stone
whereas crush shot has little range so it doesn't have that issue
just avoid the boon that increases crush shot's range
rapid topaz
I'm going to do a Hera run
What should I do with it?
For fun you can choose Phalanx duo. (Athena Zeus), for insane damage Aphro cast with Artemis on Attack.
proper furnace
just avoid the boon that increases crush shot's range
Blown kiss is fine if you don't have flurry shoot
proper furnace
Just gotta remember to undershoot
random tapir
Blown kiss is fine if you don't have flurry shoot
i got it recently and it caused me to miss a lot of shots
Sure, you can undershoot but that sucks
fallow lantern
I've already done beam points at you once. Was fun
random tapir
you're losing the arrow damage, it's more effort, and sometimes a new taret moves into range or something and it's too late to undershoot
it's better just to avoid it
proper furnace
Oh I don't mean is ideal yeah
random tapir
yeah I mean unless you're at really high heat and have approval process you'll always have a choice of two other boons and those will probably not have negative value so I'd pick them 🙂
rapid topaz
Or you can do Crush shot + Eternal doom
Pretty fun maintaining the doom striking, lazy build most of the time
random tapir
Also, always a good combo when you start with Aphro, you can get Zeus on dash, or call, and pick up smoldering Air
Since Hera has a small number of big hits, it generates god gauge slowly, so smoldering air adds a lot of value
proper furnace
Back to hera for a moment
The only thing you really want outside of crush shot is snow burst
And killing freeze good as an extra
random tapir
I feel like (and I'm sure this isn't optimal for speed running) i'm usually far from enemies when I load casts
Snow burst goes off when you load I would assume?
proper furnace
Yup
random tapir
yeah wouldn't be great for me
proper furnace
It helps finishing the elysium enemies and use your cast for other enemies for example
random tapir
right, makes sense
i prefer to stay far away so it wouldn't be my first choice but I can see why it's good
proper furnace
Beo uses the same build for heat too
(once "just get mirage shot" is out of the window)
random tapir
yeah, on beo I know you're supposed to do dash attack -> start charging short bull rush -> load casts -> release
and then snow burst is a bunch of extra free damage
I need toremap my keys so I can actually do that reasonably
right now I'm loading beforehand
random tapir
yeah, it doesn't make a huge differece generally, but if you do have snowburst
then obviously that's a significant benefit
tight basin
Oh true yeah
narrow pike
Question about how Curse of Longing works. It's difficult to tell ingame because of many damage numbers. From my understanding, when Doom procs, Curse of Longing applies an additional DoT that deals 1/2, then 1/4, then 1/8, and so on? Does it only stop when the number reaches 0 (or when the target loses Weak)? How does it interact with successive applications of Doom?
tight basin
Prob when it looses weak
narrow pike
Alright, the first part of my question is answered with "yes". I've used slowhacks and found a lone enemy to test, and while maintaining Weak, ticks went down to 1 and then stopped
The second part is still open
tight basin
If you reapply doom it'll reset to the highest value probably
It's a bad duo lmao
You'd only ever go for it if you do some sort of hit and run strategy
narrow pike
If the ticks are dealt simultaneously with other Doom, then at least it's some additional damage, but I want to understand how much
Doesn't seem like much though
tight basin
It gets overwritten by the new doom value
narrow pike
In the absolute best case scenario, it would always tick for 50% of your Doom
narrow pike
Increasing your Doom by 50% (with a delay) is still something
I'm doing a Lambent Plume run, wanted ME, but this was basically forced on me
proper furnace
Best use for CoL is if your doom source is like curse of vengeance
valid dagger
An enemy can only have 1 Doom stack at a time. Curse of Longing with ME is mostly useless and sometimes you'll get a low value tick to proc.
narrow pike
Further testing with slowhacks, it appears that CoL gets refreshed by another Doom application, so basically as long as you're hitting the enemy with Doom and Weak, it always performs an additional delayed Doom tick for 1/2 of the original value
Doesn't stack with itself, nor was it expected to
Nevermind, it's worse than I thought. When you continuously apply Doom without delays, Curse of Longing doesn't seem to proc at all?
wary adder
yeah so it's functioning just as bananas said
narrow pike
Basically it's not a separate debuff, it's part of your Doom, so refreshing Doom kills it
Not the greatest Duo I've ever seen
narrow pike
At least it's good for selling, if nothing else. Sold it once in that run and found again, probably could have sold twice
flat bone
good Guan Yu build?
valid dagger
good Guan Yu build?
Merciful End
flat bone
Merciful End
on the Spin I take
marble inlet
Currently in a run, have Aphro attack with Talos fists. Is Pos. Special a good idea, or should I take flood shot or Call (epic; both previous are rare)
valid dagger
on the Spin I take
You'll want to take Doom attack but you dont use the spin often on gy, it's mostly in between waves. If you're not on very high heat it's more usable I suppose. Your rotation is generally Special -> Dash strike x2 -> repeat
wary adder
Currently in a run, have Aphro attack with Talos fists. Is Pos. Special a good i...
pos special is probably not a good idea and aphro attack definitely isnt
flat bone
You'll want to take Doom attack but you dont use the spin often on gy, it's most...
yeah I'm at like 9, not that far ahead with the Spear yet
every run I just pick the weapon that gives the most gems and Darkness
valid dagger
It's usable but dont rely on it too much. If you want a build fully focused on spin start with Tempest Strike and look for Zeus + Sea Storm asap
But it's so rng heavy
but the dmg is good if it gets going and it's fun to play
marble inlet
pos special is probably not a good idea and aphro attack definitely isnt
Noted
flat bone
but the dmg is good if it gets going and it's fun to play
let's give it a whirl then lol
wary adder
Noted
you want flat damage (zeus or dio) on the attack or you could go for merciful end
valid dagger
Look for Quick Spin and Massive spin
flat bone
Ye I do that every time with Guan Yu already anyway
valid dagger
If you do end up trying that ME build or pushing heat you'll want Charged Skewet. It is by far the strongest Guan Yu hammer
marble inlet
you want flat damage (zeus or dio) on the attack or you could go for merciful en...
Decided to go to Flood Shot because of Talos boosting bloodstone damage. Plus it hits like a truck anyway
Barge of Death whyyyy
marble inlet
you want flat damage (zeus or dio) on the attack or you could go for merciful en...
Ended up getting Epic Dio attack :D
marble inlet
AAA
Okay so I took a Hammer that buffs my dash-attack dmg by +60% and adds it to the attack sequence. Then got a chaos boon that buffed said dash-strike by +72%
I have Artemis offering me support fire or ANOTHER +70% dmg for Dash-strike. Should I triple down on Dash strike?
marble inlet
tbh talos is a pretty bad aspect but just play whatever you find fun
I personally enjoy the fists the most, and don't find any of em bad. The Special on this aspect is slow tho
wary adder
dem is the best fists and the most fun to me
marble inlet
Understandable. Still need to max em out with Titan Blood
wary adder
AAA
Okay so I took a Hammer that buffs my dash-attack dmg by +60% and adds it to...
probably support fire because the base damage on attack is low so % buffs dont do a huge amount
tight basin
Dash strikes on fists don't deal that much damage
It's off of a what 15 or so base damage?
marble inlet
Ohh true
runic plinth
What attack for Gilgamesh? I feel like it is too slow for zeus
runic plinth
I chose ares special for the memes
runic plinth
why would I do that
proper furnace
Gilga gives you +2 dashes
runic plinth
I know but the chances I will do a perfect dodge are slim to none
might as well have 3 dashes
proper furnace
Don't need to focus on it
Just spam dashes when enemy attacks and it usually procs
Same as lightning reflex
marble inlet
I hate Extreme Measures Theseus. Screw that chariot
tight basin
Funny gun go brrrr
runic plinth
Wait until you fight EM Hades
runic plinth
For me the worst EM is Hydra
proper furnace
Lernie tax is real
random tapir
I know but the chances I will do a perfect dodge are slim to none
afaict "perfect dodge" just means "you avoided damage via i-frames"
runic plinth
Because I dash like a spaz and that means 80% of the damage I take is from lava
analog mauve
For me the worst EM is Hydra
🙏
proper furnace
Window for ruthless is super lenient yeah
random tapir
yeah. ruthless is like.. the best part of going gilgamesh I think
the dodge bonus in particular is massive
runic plinth
The best part of going gilgamesh is how much it sucks, giving an even bigger appreciation for dem
proper furnace
Also true
random tapir
honestly all fists kind of suck
tight basin
Ruthless is better on gilga not because you already get more dashes but because gilga really needs more damage lmao
random tapir
with my fists? 😛
tight basin
Dem fists just suck less
runic plinth
I thought all fists suck????
random tapir
I mean yeah dem fists best aspect, fists are fun, I think they have a good moveset
but none of the aspects is great
proper furnace
Is the best fist aspect but that's not a high bar to pass
random tapir
I meant best aspect on the fists of course
runic plinth
until you take the bule armor pact
random tapir
best aspect generally, idk, hestia, is very good but it's arguably beowulf
runic plinth
then hestia is unusable
runic plinth
best aspect generally, idk, hestia, is very good but it's arguably beowulf
Bugwolf should not be mentioned
proper furnace
Beo is so funny
random tapir
hestia, eris, beowulf, zeus, rama, hera, achilles
proper furnace
Gets crippled as soon as you reach ri3 but that's still most weapons anyways
random tapir
without getting it more fine grained, for me all of those are the top tier
random tapir
lucifer is not even close to worst
runic plinth
No wait, worst is Chiron
proper furnace
Gilga and chiron yeah
random tapir
i don't think it's chiron (for me)
it's not a great gimick but at least it has something
probably stuff like zag sword
proper furnace
Can run ME
runic plinth
TO clarify, I play with TD3 only because I am training myself, so chiron is just almost impossible for me
random tapir
I guess, I'm not judging aspects best/worst based on being able to make a particular build work though
marble inlet
No wait, worst is Chiron
How wha
proper furnace
More like ME os it's saving grace
random tapir
yeah.
proper furnace
ME is just that good sadly
runic plinth
Swords, barring arthur are comfortable to use
simple and fast
Arthur is awesome in a different way, but TD3 cripples it
random tapir
Sword and spear IMHO have the worst base movesets of the 6 weapons.
runic plinth
Spear dash though
random tapir
but sword/spear have at least more interesting/better aspects than fists.
proper furnace
All things can handle td3 fine
random tapir
I mean none of the fist aspects even change the gameplay that much, which is a bit sad.
runic plinth
All things can handle td3 fine
Sure, super gamers can use anything. I can't
proper furnace
Fair
random tapir
It's slow but it's pretty safe and reliable
like you'll kill one enemy at a time but you will kill them. and from a distance.
proper furnace
Play it like budget zag bow
random tapir
well, it's more like zag bow with a non-useless special tbh
runic plinth
I mean at this point I can finish a run with any weapon, will all pacts except TD3, the mirror pact and approval process
but when I add TD3...
random tapir
all pacts except that, so you're at like 40 heat or something like that?
random tapir
if you can get to 40 heat on every weapon then you are kind of a super gamer. Like, semi super at the least.
proper furnace
Yeah that's always a thing to remember lol
This server/Speedrun has all the super gamers
random tapir
that's surely in like the 99th percentile of hades players, even those who beat the game (i.e. escaped 10 times)
runic plinth
I mean, is 40smth heat that high?
proper furnace
Most people prob don't even touch heat
runic plinth
I though 51+ is high
tight basin
How wha
Slow and bad for heat climbing
Special is kinda mediocre most of the time lmao
proper furnace
Or high enough for 32 even
random tapir
I think most people play with heat for a bit because it's clear that there's more game to play after your first escape
and the heat system opens up immediatley
and you can finally get more titan blood, and explore the aspects
runic plinth
which is all pacts except approval process and uhh the mirror pact. Always forget the name
runic plinth
This save I cheated and got all the resources. I aint grinding again
random tapir
Like i'm at around 10 heat right now. Granted, the runs at 10 heat are barely more difficult than 0 heat so I'm not really challenged right now.
tight basin
Based
proper furnace
I though 51+ is high
Depends a bit by person but leaderboards start at 32
Cuz of skelly statue
runic plinth
Well, if you are a newish player 32 is hell
random tapir
I mean even if you aren't "newish"
runic plinth
I remember on my orevious save, and even this one before I got the rust off how hard it was
random tapir
people beating 32 consistently almost certainly have hundreds of hours
tight basin
thats why I wrote a guide lmao
random tapir
heck it probably takes well over 100 hours to get to 32 heat on each weapon even if you are a god gamer and beeline it
runic plinth
btw guys
tight basin
heck it probably *takes* well over 100 hours to get to 32 heat on each weapon ev...
I don't think it'd take that long on a new save tbh
proper furnace
Yeah I was gonna ask that
runic plinth
was hell, never gonna try again
tight basin
The hard part is getting keys for weapons and mirror tbh lmao
random tapir
A lot of people probably move on from the game at pretty low heat (that's probably what I'll do), some people probably stop at heat 20 (since bounties stop then), some people want to do 32 heat (and iirc there's one achievement for that?)
runic plinth
ok, I am gonna try 51 heat one more time
random tapir
my point was more that "completionists" are more likely to go 32 heat
I guess only a tiny fraction push past that point
tight basin
True
lucid oar
ok, I am gonna try 51 heat one more time
Are you going straight from 32?
tight basin
Most don't bother going past 32 or even doing 32 again
runic plinth
Are you going straight from 32?
no
random tapir
I really doubt I'll even make it to 20
proper furnace
Steam achievements may be a bit skewed but I don't remember the achievement for 16 heat being too high in completion either
lucid oar
A big chunk of players just have it sitting in the “to be played” list tbf
random tapir
you can look at steam achievements but what you have to do typically is divide one percentage by another
like, look at the percentage of people who escaped once
then divide the percentage for 16 heat by that
otherwise yeah it' smeaningless, too many people who never played it, or played for 5 minutes, etc
proper furnace
now that angel completed hades sgg should release the data for people who completed 32
lucid oar
and 64
marble inlet
It's crazy that after all this time only ONE person has truly bested the game.
tight basin
Most of the time rng isn't nice lmao