#h1-builds-and-combat

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vagrant crane
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flurry second hammer on zagbow is cracked

wanton comet
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The aspect thats just a copy of sword is also very good

vagrant crane
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first hammer is sus tho

wanton comet
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Flurry zagbow?

drowsy saddle
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hi

tight basin
wanton comet
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How much blood do I need to investe into bow before its good?

tight basin
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depends on the bow

wanton comet
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You stand in special you get buff

vagrant crane
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eris

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how is that sword lmfao

tight basin
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prob like nem

wanton comet
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Its the same as the sword where if special you get buff

tight basin
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i mean i guess lmao

tight basin
drowsy saddle
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rama is 3+ i'd say but is viable from 0

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hera is so damn accessible

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i love hera

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chiron needs about 6, maybe 7 on a bad day i'd say, maybe with enough arrows it'll be good who knows

tight basin
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lmfao

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it just needs to remove the internal cooldown

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on thunder flourish

drowsy saddle
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oh my god ICD-less chiron would be a menace

vagrant crane
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someone did that

tight basin
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it'd make it viable lmao

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yeah

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45 extra per arrow with epic thunder flourish is insane

wanton comet
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How do I unlock epilogue achievement?

tight basin
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complete god bonds

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most of them at least

tight basin
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660 with relentless

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not including double strike or jolted ofc

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double strike would kinda be insane considering the bug lmao

wanton comet
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Thats gonna be a ton of nectar

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Ah man

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And the ambrosia is gonna kill me

thorny coral
vagrant crane
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no

thorny coral
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but "copy of a sword" is a bit of an odd name for it

thorny coral
vagrant crane
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it is extremely hard to argue that any aspect other than beowulf is the best aspect in the game unless you mean zeus in which case go for it but still ehhhhh

thorny coral
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since when beowulf is the best

vagrant crane
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what

thorny coral
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i thought it was second best

vagrant crane
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to what

thorny coral
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Eris apparently

vagrant crane
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oh no way

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eris is very good but it is not beowulf

thorny coral
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i didn't say it was

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if it was beowulf it wouldn't be the best

vagrant crane
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how

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beo has like

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the best damage in the game

thorny coral
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so?

vagrant crane
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so what

thorny coral
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highest base damage is not all there is to it

vagrant crane
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where is base

thorny coral
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of your cast i mean with mirage shot

vagrant crane
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like

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cast builds are the best builds in the game

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because they scale rlly well

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and beo just has

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massive aoe

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and immense dmg

thorny coral
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same has Eris

vagrant crane
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eris has less dmg

thorny coral
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massive aoe

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massive dps

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constant damage

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nonstop dagage

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it just never stops

vagrant crane
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do you mean the attack

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the attack stops being the main source of damage on eris in ely

thorny coral
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no i don't mean the attack i mean every source of damage it has

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anyway, with what weapon is your best time?

vagrant crane
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but like

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beo

thorny coral
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unmodded

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i meant

vagrant crane
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i havent played unmodded in ages

thorny coral
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play it then

vagrant crane
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no

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why would i do that

thorny coral
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to finish our discussion

vagrant crane
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what

thorny coral
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i'm ready to make a bet that your best time on unmodded will be with Eris

vagrant crane
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no it won't be lmfao

thorny coral
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it's your bet against mine, that's the point

valid dagger
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how much we betting

vagrant crane
thorny coral
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oh come on

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these guys that on top of the list are just huge nerds

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and on average Eris had better times

tight basin
thorny coral
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well i wasn't betting with you)

vagrant crane
thorny coral
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why

vagrant crane
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hammer

tight basin
vagrant crane
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here

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lets see

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eh

thorny coral
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the only really good hammer on Beo is cshot, while on Eris there's more options to go as your first hammer

vagrant crane
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namely: rocket bomb, cluster bomb

tight basin
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anything other than rocket as first hammer is pretty bad for time tbh

vagrant crane
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first sub6 had cluster start

tight basin
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cluster kinda works for first hammer but feels slower

tight basin
thorny coral
tight basin
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eh

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top eris players go for rocket first hammer for a reason

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if cluster was faster then they'd go for it for first hammer

thorny coral
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what your best unmodded time anyway?

tight basin
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i mean that's fine

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7:53 or 7:58 can't remember exactly

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i didn't really grind for unmodded time that much, just did like 5 runs or so

thorny coral
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see? that's pretty far from top speedrunners

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and it's totally fine

tight basin
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i mean it's best to imitate their strats as best as possible if you wanna go for a low time lmao

thorny coral
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but ultimately you have to either not have a life or just be crazy gifted like duunk0 to get close to their times

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duunk0 did sub6 on Beo just playing casually

vagrant crane
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just had 133 tart exit

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unm beo

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breaching rush

thorny coral
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unmodded?

vagrant crane
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im not playing this trash out tho

tight basin
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just get aspho skip lmao

vagrant crane
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it was 109 entrance

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but

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tis

tight basin
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22 tis moment

vagrant crane
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i literally had lvl4 cast and a 40 shot

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still took like 1/1//1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1 split to kill

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i hate tis

thorny coral
tight basin
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did they remove tis in hypermodded lmao

vagrant crane
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yea

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so nice

proper furnace
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Wait fr

tight basin
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is it 50/50 for meg and alecto

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or is it 2/3 meg 1/3 alecto

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or whatever

vagrant crane
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50/50 it felt like

tight basin
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nice

vagrant crane
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did u see

tight basin
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see what

vagrant crane
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hold on

tight basin
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oh that yeah lmao

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aw man that reminded me of yesterday i got epic rd ap1ed on my 50 run

vagrant crane
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nice

tight basin
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i'm also gonna blame that on why i didn't clear

thorny coral
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so Beo is the best weapon, huh. Come to think of it, you're right, you've convinced me. It's actually so powerful that sgg went and add a little nerf to it (take +10% damage) so that you won't be so confident.

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my best time is with Eris though but it may change ofc

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but since you know everything, jazz, at least say that Eris is second best

vagrant crane
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not rlly

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hera exists

thorny coral
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so you're just looking up the speedrun records ok i get it

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what are you going to say when Eris takes the second?

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will you admit that Eris is second best then?

vagrant crane
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well first off that's not happening and second that doesnt change that hera is just generally faster

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like

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if we look at

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say

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the famously cracked bablo

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whose pb is 5:25 zagspear

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that doesnt mean zagspear is the best among all aspects bablo played

thorny coral
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zag spear is one of the best though

vagrant crane
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what

thorny coral
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a-tier weapon

vagrant crane
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it's just worse achilles

thorny coral
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that's right

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and Achilles is extremely good

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so worse version of Achilles is good as well

vagrant crane
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well it's that flurry jab is good

thorny coral
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yes

vagrant crane
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but like

thorny coral
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without flurry zag spear is not a lot different from gilgamesh

vagrant crane
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zagspear is not really up there

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it has 2 sub6s

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525 and whatever zyru got like a month ago

thorny coral
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what is your pb with zag spear?

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modded

vagrant crane
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i don't think i've played a single zag spear run

thorny coral
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i accept modded today

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special offer

thorny coral
vagrant crane
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659

thorny coral
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nice

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what is your pb with any weapon?

vagrant crane
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527 beo

tight basin
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Does nem have a faster time than zag spear idrk lmao

thorny coral
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nice you're good

vagrant crane
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nem is 529

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cursed blade dash run

tight basin
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Oh lmao not too far

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Also I wanna say that it's hard to put zag spear A when other aspects exist lmao

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Like it's certainly not bad with flurry tbf

vagrant crane
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like every rail ever

tight basin
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But like yeah every rail lmao

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How's zag spear for heat

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Budget Achilles

vagrant crane
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idek

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it's not a real aspect

tight basin
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Fair

thorny coral
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where do you put zeus shield then?

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has to be an S

vagrant crane
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you can't rank speed and heat at the same time

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and for speed its kinda stinky

thorny coral
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ok let's rank the heat

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32 heat let's say

vagrant crane
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at 32 it's literally the same

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32 heat is spicy 0 heat

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probably 45+ is when zeus starts climbing

thorny coral
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i'll be doing 32 heat soon and i need to pick a good weapon for it

vagrant crane
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do whatever u want to

thorny coral
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no i don't think so

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i'm not that good

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i'm not you

proper furnace
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Doing your most comfortable weapon works

vagrant crane
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yea

thorny coral
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i can't take Gilga or Arthur for my 32 heat run obviously

vagrant crane
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arthur is good for 32

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lol

proper furnace
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^

thorny coral
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i'll die in tart probably

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instantly

proper furnace
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Pact will matter more than aspect

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You can do some nasty 32 heat pacts

thorny coral
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ok let's talk pact

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em4, td3, fo2 for sure

vagrant crane
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hl5 lc4 cf2 js1 em3 bp2 mm uc td3

proper furnace
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Em4 no

tight basin
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Ayo where my 32 guide at

vagrant crane
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I GOT IT

thorny coral
tight basin
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It's less cursed than you think tbf

thorny coral
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half-life 2 and lc4 are you crazy

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is this a no hit run

tight basin
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Kinda yeah

proper furnace
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Cf2 makes it instantly cursed I know i'm just hating

tight basin
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Are you used to fo2

thorny coral
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yes

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i'm playing fo2 all the time

tight basin
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Hl1 fo2 cf0 then

vagrant crane
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oh wait

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you dont need js1

thorny coral
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it's one of the easiest heat options

vagrant crane
proper furnace
tight basin
vagrant crane
thorny coral
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stubborn defiance i guess

tight basin
thorny coral
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but with td3 man

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no way you're gonna be fast

tight basin
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What's your time pb

vagrant crane
thorny coral
vagrant crane
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this build is so good

tight basin
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Td3 is gonna be fine for you

vagrant crane
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LC doesnt affect speed

tight basin
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Sub15 anyHeat is comfy for td3 32 heat imo

thorny coral
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i did so with Eris and 15 heat though that's different

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we're talking about 32 heat now

tight basin
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Well just use eris at 32 heat then

proper furnace
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Use eris then

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Join the Eris first 32 gang

thorny coral
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maybe i will

tight basin
vagrant crane
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em3

tight basin
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Also 15 heat Speedrun isn't optimal heat choices lmao

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Oh em3

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Point still stands tho

vagrant crane
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em3 mm is iirc about 30 seconds of timeloss

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on hestia at least

thorny coral
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didn't try to speedrun really

tight basin
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You'll be fine tbh

thorny coral
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i'll try thanks for encouragement and advice

vagrant crane
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use guide btw

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great guide shame the author isn't here

tight basin
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Yeah I wonder where they went

vagrant crane
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think i just aged 10 years

thorny coral
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how old are you

vagrant crane
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57

thorny coral
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no way

vagrant crane
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🤯

thorny coral
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don't be trolling me i see right through you anyway

tight basin
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grandma gamer

thorny coral
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i refuse to believe that

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grandma is faster than me no way

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grandma can't be that fast

ashen shale
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gonna just let this channel choose my gods for my next run

tight basin
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what aspect are you playing atm

vagrant crane
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funny way to spell aphrodite

tight basin
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it'd be funnier if it was aphro atk on fists

round umbra
tight basin
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technically yes, but also 1) have fun getting that 2) you're dealing like no damage and the legendary doesn't supplement damage

round umbra
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Do guan yu spin and rockets hit all projectiles on map?

proper furnace
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?

round umbra
proper furnace
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Well that seems easy to test but I've never heard of it

minor flume
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I definitely saw it happening in my Guan Yu 32 run, but I think I just thought it was a weird interaction with Athena boon

round umbra
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I'm not sure if it's supposed to be when rockets hit or when they're fired for the rockets one one commenter claimed happened

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Definitely will test it out later.

full mauve
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What's a good build for beawolf

vagrant crane
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so essentially

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start poseidon

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take flood flare

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look for artemis attack

full mauve
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may i ask why?

vagrant crane
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if you dont get artemis in tart force into asphodel

full mauve
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poseidon

vagrant crane
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because you want poseidon artemis duo

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and poseidon cast has huge aoe

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and good enough damage

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so you want the duo

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and to pom the cast

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thats about it

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beo is the highest dmg aspect in the game

full mauve
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so good attack boon and thats it

vagrant crane
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no

full mauve
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oh

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:I

vagrant crane
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you dont really need the attack boon

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you need the cast

full mauve
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ok

vagrant crane
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if you dont get arty atk you can settle for special

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because it's mostly to open the duo

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the mirage shot duo doubles damage

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it's bugged on beo

full mauve
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ahhh ok may i ask for the cast why not like zeus and ares?

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i want to know so i can get better

vagrant crane
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because they do way less dmg

full mauve
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ahhh

vagrant crane
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and dont do good aoe

full mauve
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ohhh

vagrant crane
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other flares have higher damage than flood

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but flood has amazing aoe

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goes through walls

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has good enough damage

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and importantly, opens duo with artemis

full mauve
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so flood is the best of both worlds

vagrant crane
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so you dont need to get 2 other gods, just 1

full mauve
lucid oar
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Btw @full mauve you want Poseidon/Artemis duo because on beowulf it’s bugged, the second cast deals 100% damage instead of 30%

dire furnace
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Is Shadow Prescence or Fiery Prescence better for special spam Rama

proper furnace
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doesn't matter

full mauve
full mauve
tight basin
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Yeah

round umbra
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Fiery is for when you have a super strong opener, which Rama attack can be, but special is decidedly not.

vagrant crane
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the rama special is 5 base damage

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if you are doing a budget delta chamber run, you could probably literally just not put any darkness into either and not notice

round umbra
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probs

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Like, fiery might be better on the off chance you're charging up a rama attack while things spawn. Guessing a Rama special spam run is going to have DC, though.

tight basin
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Normal rama runs use DC lmao

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Or at least they can

drowsy saddle
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DC doesn't cancel fiery, does it

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i thought that was a misconception

vagrant crane
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it doesnt

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it still is bad with dc though

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well

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its bad when you take dc for good reasons

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namely high heat

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because atp either u want boss damage

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or ur wep doesnt benefit much from the fiery and might as well take the boss damage

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or on rama

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it shoots 3 arrows

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dc is 1 or 2

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so it still ruins fiery

waxen creek
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Is there a way to consistently dodge Asterius' purple wave attacks?

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Without the use of Dodge or Deflect

jade gale
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somebody might have a more concrete answer for you, but it works good enough for me

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getting hit by individuals waves as well doesn't hurt too much - depending on your pact setup

proper furnace
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Dodging through him is the answer

full mauve
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thesuses its depedns on what your doing but its dodge got behind him shoot/stab/bull rush then hide agiagn repaete

turbid needle
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is aspect of poseidon worth?

proper furnace
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best aspect for when you want a sword win but dont wanna play actual sword

acoustic vale
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Arthur better tbh

vagrant crane
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mneh

turbid needle
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ty all

edgy jungle
round umbra
safe mural
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recommended builds for spear ?

tight basin
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hunting blades or lightning phalanx on achilles

latent grove
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good chaos builds?

vagrant crane
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get cshot

vagrant bluff
# latent grove good chaos builds?

Dionysus on special with another status (for privileged status) / % damage on attack. I prefer Aphrodite on attack but ||Demeter || is fun too. Love that build

turbid needle
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i wanna escape w weapons i can't play good so any recommended fist aspects and builds?

valid dagger
turbid needle
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thank youu! i'll tell you how it goes lol

turbid needle
valid dagger
turbid needle
thorny coral
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why don't speedrunners use godmode btw?

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get hit, play absolutely reckless without a care in the world

vagrant crane
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because that's leaderboard illegal

thorny coral
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ah

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would they use it, if it wasnt' illegal though?

vagrant crane
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probably

thorny coral
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do you use it?

tight basin
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there's no reason not to use it if it was leaderboard legal lmao

vagrant crane
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why would i use it

tight basin
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makes playing reckless a whole lot easier, especially on the high heat speedrun cats

thorny coral
tight basin
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well that doesn't really matter if it's leaderboard legal

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just using available tools

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that's still healthy for the gameplay at least

thorny coral
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shouldn't it be like unwritten rule

tight basin
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codex tech falls under "available tools" but no one wants to use it or verify a run with that

tight basin
vagrant crane
tight basin
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there's literally nothing wrong with using god mode

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i mean yeah but point still stands

thorny coral
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but it feels wrong

tight basin
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yeah so why would it be an unwritten rule

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well that's just you then lmao

vagrant crane
tight basin
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if it was leaderboard legal i'd use it tbh

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like i said, there's literally no reason not to use it because it's more effective hp

thorny coral
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i'm sure I'm not the only one

tight basin
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can keep high confidence up easier

tight basin
turbid needle
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so you don't use it and that's it lol

tight basin
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also most speedrunners dont even die lmao

thorny coral
tight basin
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at that point god mode is just for keeping up high confidence

tight basin
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i said i'd use it if it was

thorny coral
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why do you care about leaderboard?

tight basin
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because i submit stuff to it?

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i have runs up there lmao

turbid needle
tight basin
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if i ever feel like recording a run, i dont want to accidentally have it on

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and if i'm not recording and want to practice an aspect, it's better to practice it without god mode because i can't use that for recording

vagrant crane
tight basin
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jokes on you i'm too bad at non-beo aspects to get chained

thorny coral
tight basin
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it'll be bananas7890

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43rd modded anyHeat

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and somewhere on modded 40 heat

thorny coral
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i figured it'd be bananas

tight basin
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true i'm the only bananas there afaik lmao

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42nd modded 40 heat

thorny coral
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oh, modded

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not interested in that section

tight basin
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yeah unmodded is kinda just pain for speedrunning

thorny coral
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no wonder your name doesn't ring out

tight basin
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i've been grinding unmodded recently and it's just pain lmao

thorny coral
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to me that is

vagrant crane
tight basin
thorny coral
tight basin
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afaik there might be only 1 person grinding unmodded lmao

vagrant crane
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who

thorny coral
tight basin
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the speedrun community doesnt really care for unmodded at this point

vagrant crane
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sending thoughts and prayers

tight basin
vagrant crane
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REALLY

tight basin
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but that might be old news

vagrant crane
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godspeed

tight basin
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or i'm just really wrong

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i thought i heard that but i might be misremembering lmao

vagrant crane
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hasnt drk been posting multiwep times

tight basin
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apart from drk the most recent unmodded was rt95 lmao

vagrant crane
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maybe that was just for cotw

tight basin
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no clue

vagrant crane
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yeah rt was just grinding for sub6 i think

tight basin
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he did get it yeah

vagrant crane
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yea

tight basin
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no cshot until like heroes

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iirc

vagrant crane
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LMFAO

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soldier

thorny coral
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where's jazz btw?

vagrant crane
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here

tight basin
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but yeah no one in the speedrun community really does unmodded

tight basin
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or 32

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something like that

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34

vagrant crane
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34/25

tight basin
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25?

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oh 25th for beo?

vagrant crane
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25 excluding people who have multiple aspects below me

tight basin
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oh right yeah

thorny coral
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i don't see any jazz, maybe way below where i'm looking at

vagrant crane
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vetbaitednv

tight basin
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oh right yeah diff name lmao

vagrant crane
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also 20th for nem

thorny coral
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what's with the different nicknames jeez

vagrant crane
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its literally on my discord

tight basin
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well vetbaitnv is their actual discord username lmao

thorny coral
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who's their, why their

tight basin
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her

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mb

vagrant crane
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also 22 hestia 🗿

tight basin
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i've only submitted like 3 beo runs to the leaderboard lmao

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2 of them were 40 heat

vagrant crane
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ive submitted 3 runs totasl

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actually ive submitted 4

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one got rejected

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the 611

tight basin
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i dont have any good runs lmao

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beo one trick moment

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maybe i'll just grind 40 heat

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at least that's modded

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maybe i'll be put higher in the ocke/zyruvias pool

thorny coral
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so you're 34 jazz good for you

vagrant crane
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40 leaderboards are so funny

thorny coral
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didn't expect you to be faster than this guy right here Bananas

vagrant crane
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it's a sea of zyru

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and ocke

tight basin
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lmao yeah it's hiliarous

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it's all aspects for each

thorny coral
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where's your country though jazz?

tight basin
vagrant crane
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you have to get an 858

thorny coral
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where's your flag

vagrant crane
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i dont know

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why r u investigating my src profile

tight basin
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well it's just not there on the leaderboard

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everyone else has a flag but you

vagrant crane
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zyru doesnt

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mike doesnt

thorny coral
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don't you want to represent your country?

vagrant crane
#

not really

tight basin
#

well for anyheat modded it's a sea of flags lmao

vagrant crane
#

now if it were a STATE flag

thorny coral
#

what state

vagrant crane
#

SILVER STATE 4EVER BATTLE BORN BABY

tight basin
#

nevada?

#

based tbh

neat yacht
vagrant crane
#

THAT'S NEVADA BABY

neat yacht
vagrant crane
#

WRONG

neat yacht
#

I am correct

#

I'm always correct

vagrant crane
#

no i am always correct

thorny coral
vagrant crane
#

yea

neat yacht
#

what's KBM and hades monthly challenge

thorny coral
#

i've never been there

turbid needle
#

KBM is keyboard and mouse

vagrant crane
#

hades monthly challenge was something nyaanyaa did till she was banned for no good reason

thorny coral
#

oh i remember nyaanyaa

#

why was she banned?

vagrant crane
#

joined jun 4 2023

thorny coral
#

she had an Aerith on her profile pic am i correct?

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just to prove that i'm not lying

vagrant crane
#

true

#

yea now its 2b

thorny coral
#

so why they did ban her?

vagrant crane
#

because of 1 person complaining

thorny coral
#

thanks, i didn't read all of it, but i can agree on some of the arguments made by anemone

#

not sure if it was justified to ban for this though

#

but overall yes, Hades community is pretty toxic

#

but it's something to get used to

#

if we were to ban every individual that has shown "toxic" attitude, we'd have to ban 50% of this server maybe if not more

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any game that requires skill to play well has somewhat toxic community, it came to be normal way of things, so i really don't see reasons to complain

vagrant crane
#

i mean

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if someone is repeatedly toxic and doesnt stop when asked

#

that would probably be banworthy

turbid needle
#

it's still toxicity even if you're good at something

thorny coral
vagrant crane
#

no

#

from all the time ive been here at least

thorny coral
#

and top speedrunners are modest

#

it's those who are not at the top are toxic...

#

i miss duunk0

proven osprey
proven osprey
tight basin
#

Yeah it kinda was lmao she's made someone leave the server before

thorny coral
#

all in all she was an asset, whereas those who might have left the sever because of her i'm not so sure...

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@vagrant crane no way Hestia is better than Eris

#

don't tell me again that you think this way only because it's higher on the leaderboard

proper furnace
#

From what is worth I think they are about the same

thorny coral
#

when i was coming up Eris used to be not just the best Rail, but the best the fastest weapon overall

#

and now it's not even the best Rail???

proper furnace
#

150 dmg shots gud what can I say

#

Eris has the funniest routed run tho

#

Eris is still one of the top weapons for speedruns anyways

#

Specially for like getting into speedruns

thorny coral
proper furnace
#

It's enough to carry you for the first 2 biomes and then you do boss dmg/styx by getting clockets

#

Or tidal dash breaking wave clears styx but lack of clockets is noticed a lot in hestia

full mauve
#

What's the build for Arthur

thorny coral
#

just put crit on it it's pretty straightforward

proper furnace
#

Or aphro attack for more consistent dmg

vagrant crane
#

get rod

thorny coral
#

really?

#

is rod meta?

vagrant crane
#

on arthur it is

#

literally rodspect

thorny coral
#

hm i should try that

#

maybe for once it won't be pain to play arthur

tight basin
#

So like they're kinda even surprisingly lol

#

It's just that eris is easier to get into than hestia for speed

vagrant crane
#

eris is more consistent probably

#

or maybe hestia is just harder

tight basin
#

Eris is basically button mashing, hestia is more calculated button mashing

vagrant crane
#

because everybody runs eris in 3weps who is not named zyruvias

tight basin
#

Eris is prob more consistent because of the 75% boost tbh

#

Second hammer doesn't matter too much

vagrant crane
#

and u dont need rd

#

because it gives u rd

tight basin
#

Yeah

#

Ely is a massive time loss and eris is just more consistent at it than hestia

thorny coral
#

pretty dumb tactic

#

Beo and Hera are more strategic

proper furnace
#

I love me some oonga boonga weapons

#

says as once again I die on achilles

thorny coral
#

i died on Achilles too

vagrant crane
thorny coral
#

when you don't have enough dps you don't have a luxury of being reckless

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and that's the mistake i've done one and again with Achilles

proper furnace
#

My first modded run was achilles

thorny coral
proper furnace
#

Died to dad

thorny coral
#

died on modded? damn boy

vagrant crane
#

what does modded have to do with dying

thorny coral
#

well what's the point of playing modded if you don't get the right stuff

vagrant crane
#

what

thorny coral
#

and when you do get the right stuff why would you die

tight basin
#

You can still not get the right stuff lmao

#

Or just play bad

#

Modded doesn't give free wins or skills lmfao

proper furnace
#

It was a pretty decent run lol

thorny coral
#

it is easier though, admit that at least

proper furnace
#

Mainly skill issue

tight basin
#

The closest thing to a free win it gives you is first hammer and 2 sack Styx if you're on td

tight basin
thorny coral
#

2 sack, no Than, no barge of death

tight basin
#

I suck ass at Hera and Achilles and die like half the time even on modded

vagrant crane
#

than is on

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and than is good

#

lmao

tight basin
#

Barge is easy as hell

thorny coral
tight basin
#

And also Styx is pretty easy tbh 2 sack only matters for td

vagrant crane
proper furnace
#

Is rta preset still on by default btw?

tight basin
#

So he's good

thorny coral
#

no he doesn't

vagrant crane
#

??????

tight basin
#

And also free centaur heart

thorny coral
#

maybe on modded he does

vagrant crane
#

he does

proper furnace
#

He does

vagrant crane
#

no

#

he does in the normal game

#

unmodded

thorny coral
#

wait what

tight basin
#

Bruh unmodded and modded are literally the same game mechanics

#

The only thing that changes is rng

#

Not game mechanics

thorny coral
#

survival rooms stop timer that's for sure but Than? no way

tight basin
#

He does

#

Than encounters are longer than normal encounters

proper furnace
#

Is gonna sound rude but just check next time he appears

tight basin
#

And if td kept counting down then than would shaft you

thorny coral
#

why do i have over 100 hours and do not know that Than stops the timer

#

that's crazy

vagrant crane
#

timestamped

thorny coral
tight basin
#

No they love him

#

Free room

#

We only hate him when he decides to go on a 5 mile stroll before he drops the heart

thorny coral
tight basin
#

Or non menu than but that's just inconvenient

tight basin
proper furnace
thorny coral
#

i get it now why i got mixed up

#

but i am def gonna check the timer next time Than appears

thorny coral
vagrant crane
#

idrc

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they let me do it

#

not like i got ads

thorny coral
#

not like you got views either)

#

but i get it ok

errant narwhal
thorny coral
#

didn't read them in the first place

#

i mean it's not that i don't respect the rules, but they are kinda the same everywhere so no point in reading same stuff every time

turbid needle
#

being kind doesn't have to be written in the rules lol

obtuse summit
proper furnace
#

There are tricks for that

vagrant crane
#

just get menu imo

proper furnace
#

If the reward is one that makes a menu appear you can wait at where Than drops the heart and just chill there till he leaves

tight basin
#

I mean than is still better than a normal encounter anyways

#

Majority of the time

#

Especially c22 and c30-34

vagrant crane
#

my pb had c12 than lmfao

tight basin
#

C12 is not bad tbh but you'd obv want it later

vagrant crane
#

c12 armored louts zagluv

tight basin
#

True

ruby siren
#

hey, so for the dashing flight shield daedalus upgrade, does it apply to the shield wen it makes contact w an enemy during your dash, or if thrown during a dash? i always assumed the former & bc of this it always felt kind of awkward, even w epic greatest reflex, it always felt weird trying to throw the shield & immediately initiate a dash so that it makes contact during the dash, esp bc i usually throw it point blank after bull rushing (chaos aspect) to maximize multiple impacts but if it means that the increase applies if the shield is thrown whilst dashing, that would feel a bit less strange lol

#

ah, i just googled it & apparently u throw it during a dash. the wording is very deceiving '200% dmg and travels faster during your dash'

#

wow this is so good esp w the 80% chaos special buff n epic aphro. ive been missing out. wish it applied to all the shields n not just the main one tho lol.

thorny coral
#

the thing is though is that +200% damage buff applies only to your main shield, not on those additional 5 shields on Chaos, so that alone makes it hammer dud on any shield aspect

limpid latch
#

Alright, I’m a million runs in. Still looking for a fun Demeter build. Seeking Bow seems easy to stack chill but that easy mode weapon is so boring. Any good builds?

proper furnace
#

Meme beams is like the only other real dem build

#

She works more as support

inner crater
#

What's the fastest hitting weapon in the game?

#

Without boons, can include hammers

turbid needle
#

any build recs for eris shadesmile

inner crater
#

Iirc I had it once but with poseidon special instead, along with legendary. Styx tunnels was the funniest crap ever

turbid needle
#

will try that one rn

proper furnace
#

Tidal dash is huge on eris

#

Without cluster + rockets combo you mainly want tidal dash and static discharge

#

Pom both of those

turbid needle
#

oki oki i'll start w tidal then

proper furnace
#

Start zeus attack

#

Force poseidon into aspho if you don't find it naturally

turbid needle
#

rocket or cluster nko_dumbthink

proper furnace
#

Rocket easier to use

#

Cluster has slighty better odds for cluster + rockets

turbid needle
#

thank youu

#

got the rocket

inner crater
#

Last time I did eris I didn't get cluster but I got triple shot rockets instead which is also super good

proper furnace
#

Also reason for cluster rockets being stupid good

#

The -30% from cluster isn't applied on rocket bomb

limpid latch
turbid needle
turbid needle
#

i just need to get used to reload lmao

inner crater
#

Yeah I've lost runs before because I was holding left click on empty mag and didn't reload

#

And had no clue because visual pollution

thorny coral
tight basin
#

Prob too many things happening on screen and can't see the gun shooting blanks

thorny coral
#

tha's why you should play with headphones

#

not like they're gonna save you from dying though

#

and it's not for me to hand out advices anyway, I'm so noob i die with Achilles

#

died again today, twice, both times had flurry jab

#

and the funny thing is that i don't die so many with Zag spear for some reason

inner crater
#

I mean keep playing and you'll get better

thorny coral
#

you're telling me this?

#

well i do need to get better, but it's just that i'm particularly unlucky with Achilles

#

there's always something wrong with my build on Achilles and i just don't do enough damage and get owned by Dad

#

for one, i almost never die on Eris, it just deals too much damage for anyone to be able to kill you

turbid needle
tight basin
thorny coral
#

really? why?

tight basin
#

You get the dps and it's less clunky but you kinda just die faster

#

It's a weird thing with flurry

#

Part of it is always wanting to hold down the attack

#

The other thing is that if you want to empty dash right after holding down attack, the next dash comes out as a dash attack

#

So if you want to attack into 2 empty dashes, you'll get like a dash strike and a dash instead

#

I'm pretty sure that's a big reason why you don't want serrated point and flurry

#

Iframes begone

vagrant crane
#

serrated is a lot less safe than flurry tho

#

if u have serrated and ur kinda bad with it u just die

tight basin
#

I mean yeah but you don't want to take both is the point I'm making

vagrant crane
#

yea

tight basin
#

Even tho Achilles is dash strike centric with flurry jab, you don't want serrated because you'll straight up just die lmao

#

You could technically say the same thing about zag spear but Achilles is a lot more fluid in the sense there's no down time between button presses. Zag spear needs a pause with flurry jab because you don't cycle raging rush

#

Zag spear just holds down the attack and dashes I guess but it's a lot less risky when you're not flying over the map and have to stand still briefly to throw the special after attacking

vagrant crane
#

and achilles spec has no iframes

tight basin
#

Oh does it not

#

I thought it did

vagrant crane
#

no

#

you can give it a dashs worth tho

proper furnace
#

I swear I've dodged dad shockwaves with it

vagrant crane
#

if u press spec and dash simultaneously

tight basin
#

That's kinda bad lmao

#

Funky

thorny coral
tight basin
#

Yeah you dying on Achilles with flurry is a very common thing lmao

#

Even in speedrunning

#

In a relay race a bit ago one of the runners lost all DDs before making it to heroes iirc lmao

thorny coral
tight basin
#

Invincibility

#

Dashes have full iframes

#

Until you attack cast or special

#

Hitting the call button also gives you some iframes

thorny coral
thorny coral
#

well today i lost 2 dds before heroes

tight basin
#

You just unga bunga a bit too hard sometimes lmao

#

I mean I'm pretty sure they hardly picked up any hearts

proper furnace
#

Lernie tax real also

vagrant crane
#

ngl lernie tax biggest on sword

#

u spend less time in lava on fists

#

assuming u have build up

thorny coral
tight basin
#

Both probably

#

I don't really play Achilles so I can't say too much on that lmao

vagrant crane
#

just like

#

don’t take damage

#

idk i used to die on achilles now i don’t

#

just practice

tight basin
#

It's more of an ely problem generally

vagrant crane
#

and don’t get shields

#

yea

tight basin
#

By that point you want to get your cast build online

#

If you don't well

#

Good luck lmao

thorny coral
proper furnace
#

Can you cope through ely with beaver?

tight basin
#

Whatever cast you have should be dealing good damage without a duo probably so you can use it a bit like pos sword lmao

tight basin
thorny coral
tight basin
#

And also you generally don't pom beaver I think so it's gonna be like 200 damage max

thorny coral
#

but i expected to hear this holier than thou stuff so i'm not really surprised

proper furnace
#

Just skip ely tbh

vagrant crane
tight basin
vagrant crane
#

but like

#

just get rd

tight basin
vagrant crane
#

nah it’s like a rare

#

i think it’s 140

#

rare 150

tight basin
#

Well that's even worse lmao

vagrant crane
#

5 poms lmfao

tight basin
#

That's kinda sad lmao

thorny coral
# vagrant crane what

you forget that i'm playing unmodded, first, and second you're just being cute saying "just don't get hit" as if anyone does so willingly

vagrant crane
#

artemis scaling type beat

thorny coral
#

well maybe someone does if they have revenge boon

proper furnace
#

Heaven's vengeance on furies energy

vagrant crane
#

heavens vengeance in general energy

thorny coral
#

sometimes i really find myself wanting to get hit just to proc heaven's vengeance

vagrant crane
#

zyru apparently had it proccing for 1k once

thorny coral
#

also what's beaver

vagrant crane
#

breaking wave

thorny coral
#

second time i almost guessed damn i'm bright

inner crater
#

What benefits from poms the most

#

?

vagrant crane
#

jolted

proper furnace
#

Hangover

vagrant crane
#

hangover

thorny coral
#

heaven's vengeance

ruby siren
# inner crater What benefits from poms the most

Hangover's pom benefit rly cant be overstated... the +2 & additional +1s are always multiplied by up to 5 stacks, so a single pom is actually adding +5 dmg per .2 seconds or +25 damage per second (or 50 persecond if ur talkin about the 1st pom which i believe is a +2 buff in some cases, correct me if im wrong). if u add in aphro's duo boon, the potential dmg per pom per second ballons to 40 or 80 for the 1st pom, assuming u can keep the target inflicted w Weak. n unlike literally any other boon, hngver dmg increase cant drop below 1dmg, therefore no diminishing returns, so every single pom u sink into a hangover boon will continue scaling up at the same rate, theoretically infinitely lol or as many poms as u can get ur hands on

inner crater
#

Yeah iirc my first clear ever was with Zeus shield and I think my hangover flourish was level 17

dusty ore
#

Is stubborn defiance better than death defiance?

tight basin
#

depends on what you want to do, but for most players no

#

stubborn defiance is only used at high heat (32+) when you're running lasting consequences 4

dusty ore
#

Thx

dire furnace
#

Does anyone have a link to a Zeus guide for heat

tight basin
#

then i can't really help you there, it's kinda complicated lmao

wintry portal
#

Hey, what would be the highest level you can make firesupport without modding the game?

tight basin
#

there's no level cap so technically infinite lmao

#

realistically, probably like idk

#

30-40?

wintry portal
#

40?!

#

WOW, igotta do then

tight basin
#

idk it's a rough range lmao

#

the hard part is the fact that you need sweet nectar

#

and artemis isn't needed for that

#

and you might get support fire too late

#

so actually realistically prob like 20-30 lmao

wintry portal
#

30 still a funny number for me
so, with enough tries I could do that
well, guess I will need to play more 700h zaggrin

#

thank you

tight basin
#

yeah just gotta hope for an early sweet nectar and support fire

flint flame
#

What's better on chiron special dio or artemis

obtuse summit
#

dio i think

#

im so cracked today 740 elyssium rn with me

#

surely first sub10 fists

#

didnt get patty

flint flame
#

What's better on chiron special dio or artemis

obtuse summit
#

dio

flint flame
#

@obtuse summit

obtuse summit
#

idrk im not an expert

#

i dont think for chiron many matter that much

tight basin
#

you just take your standard mirror but take privileged status intead of family favorites

#

go for aphrodite attack

full mauve
#

90% of the time you will get it

#

but if you dont youll get it later on

#

the build is aphro on the attack and dio in the special then your set

#

but also try to get the dio boon for those two

#

you get so muhc more dmg

ivory turtle
#

Hello, it's me again!! I've returned from the grave lol. Anyone got a fun build for me to try out?

#

I'm doing Hestia, maybe putting arty strike

tight basin
#

ps

tight basin
flint flame
tight basin
#

for that build?

#

fiery

flint flame
#

For hera ans chiron

tight basin
#

fiery presence for pretty much every build

flint flame
#

What about chiron

tight basin
#

chiron doesn't matter

flint flame
#

I'm guessing no

#

Oh

tight basin
#

i guess fiery but eh

flint flame
#

Why does hat say to go sp

tight basin
#

the special arrows can backstab i suppose but that's important

#

idk

#

his preference

flint flame
#

What's the benefits of each

tight basin
#

oh his reasoning is in the picture lol

#

well fiery gives more value on normal enemies

flint flame
#

Sp helps with boss

tight basin
#

especially if your initial hit is pretty chunky

flint flame
#

?

tight basin
#

yeah

#

you generally dont need the damage bonus from shadow presence against bosses to save time

#

you'll probably save more time with fiery presence in the normal rooms

#

doesn't matter too much for sp vs fp tbh

#

for the most part

flint flame
#

Hey when I play chiron do I go gp or gl

#

Because you try to go for low tolerance or curse of nausea

#

@tight basin

tight basin
#

what's gp

#

and gl

#

oh pride legacy

#

uh

#

pride

#

you dont really need the duos tbh

flint flame
#

Ok

tight basin
#

you just try to get the duos but it's not the end of the world if you dont get them

flint flame
#

Ok

tight basin
#

getting 1 duo generally isn't too difficult

ivory turtle
#

Heyyy question

#

Is Hestia rail a good anvil weapon??

#

I have good hammers but maybe we could be doing better lol

#

I have hazard and explosive shot

tight basin
#

hazard is good on hestia

#

i wouldn't risk anvil

#

unless you wanna like

ivory turtle
#

I also have aphro on special lol

tight basin
#

anvil away hazard for clockets

#

but there's no point in using anvil here

#

hazard is fine as is

ivory turtle
#

That's kinda the hope but like what are the chances

tight basin
#

well 50/50 to remove hazard at least

#

and then uh

#

idk whatever the rate is to get specifically clockets

#

there's a ton of other hammers tho

#

so i wouldn't

ivory turtle
#

Yeah lol

#

I have a very weirdly cast oriented build

#

I got Demeter beams, cold embrace and parting shot ???

tight basin
#

well they all kinda suck so have fun with that lmao

#

it's gonna be difficult to always have casts behind hades

ivory turtle
#

At least I have snow burst, ravenous will and glacial glare LOL

#

So it still sucks

#

But ✨ less ✨

#

NOOOO

#

I was SO close

#

This was my first game in like a month and a half?

#

And I was literally like 2 or 3 hits away

#

Then I got hit by 3 of the hand capsule things and 2 of the rings, and just BARELY died

wintry portal
#

Is talos fist just.. bad?

round umbra
#

Imo yeah

#

Seems to kinda be the consensus from what I can tell

#

The one castpect I don't go for

#

Should Achilles and talos have swapped percentages? Idk

tight basin
#

it makes the special longer/stickier

#

there are some techs you can do but they're kinda eh

#

easier to just use demeter fists

#

and you'll get better results anyways lmao

drowsy saddle
#

yoyo sounds fun tho

thorny coral
tight basin
#

well zag fists doesn't necessarily add any damage

#

they're fine and better than talos because it doesn't make the special sticky

thorny coral
#

dodge chance is what they add you have to consider that

vagrant crane
#

me getting that crispy 7 attack damage added on

tight basin
#

and frankly if you play clean enough the dodge doesn't matter

#

the only damage dodge gives is keeping up high confidence lmao

vagrant crane
#

and talos is apparently good for something at heat

thorny coral