he pulls the bows the wrong way
#h1-builds-and-combat
rapid sandal
common sense and logic doesnt apply to games like these its the norm
but the fact that the strongest weapon in the game is a towershield still pisses me off
vagrant crane
it is a big ass shield
rapid sandal
welll actually
now that i think about it
in games like league of legends tanks are the meta right now
vagrant crane
league of legends is unfortunately not a video game
rapid sandal
people play heroes like mundo and chogath which can stack full tank items and still outdamage the ADC's anyway
while being unkillable
other games too that i play, characters that are supposed to be damage spunges are dealing way more damage than glass cannons
wait this is off topic lets stop
tight basin
tbf stuff gets meta not by what makes sense but by how the devs balance lmao
does it make sense? nope but oh well
rapid sandal
@tight basin which hammer upgrade was it that makes eris crazy?
tight basin
rocket hammer and cluster bomb
both
they're both good on their own, but together are very strong
rapid sandal
they're both good on their own, but together are very strong
explosive fire is the rockets one?
rapid sandal
i think i tried the build you're talking about
tight basin
nice
rapid sandal
@tight basinwhich gods do you want for eris?
tight basin
zeus attack, artemis/aphrodite special
tidal dash
dem or athena can work on the special, but they'd ideally be epic
rapid sandal
i got epic artemis special
tight basin
that's good
rapid sandal
am i looking for any duo boons?
tight basin
not really
rapid sandal
i got forced to demeter
rapid sandal
not any core boons
ya she offered me epic nourished soul
rapid sandal
all healing effects are 35% more potent now
tight basin
i'm also assuming this is tartarus
rapid sandal
yes
tight basin
if you dont have underworld customs then that's fine
rapid sandal
if you dont have underworld customs then that's fine
tight basin
oh starting arty is certainly a choice lmao
rapid sandal
oh starting arty is certainly a choice lmao
are you saying its bad?
tight basin
i mean you got what you wanted so it's fine
rails prefer zeus attack at the start
because it's effectively a 100% boost at common with aoe
rapid sandal
true i did rely on special for room clears
if i had zeus attack it would be different
ill switch to ring next
rapid sandal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1043953082431709237/1099954076579549285...
@tight basinaphrodite or pom?
tight basin
tbh the pom is useless here but idk if you want to add aphro to the pool lmao
tight basin
take the pom and keep the pool open
you need zeus still and tidal dash is gonna be great if you can get it later
rapid sandal
@tight basindude the cluster bombs clear is INSANE
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043953082431709237/1099955146840080385/Hades_2023.04.24_-_07.37.14.02_-_Trim.mp4
mass genocide
tight basin
small room moment lmao
rapid sandal
i should've maxed out jury summons
rapid sandal
i toned down the difficulty since new weapons need time to master
should've kept jury summons on max
tight basin
also you do realize you just happened to start off with one of the best hammers lmao
no way to guarantee that
rapid sandal
how many hammers are there total?
rapid sandal
HOOO I just got epic hunter's mark
@tight basincan hunter's mark apply to the same target i've hit? if it's the only enemy in the room?
no right? that would be too OP
tight basin
nope
it's useless if there's only 1 enemy in the room
it's great until after the first hero goes down in ely
well maybe the end styx rooms if you dont do the miniboss
you can get it to work in the hades fight, but a lot less likely
tight basin
where's your atk boon lmfao
rapid sandal
where's your atk boon lmfao
i just took zeus ring
tight basin
also deadly flourish rarity doesn't matter too much but marked is huge
oh this is early aspho
like c19
probably
before miniboss
rapid sandal
no, i just entered act 2
tight basin
c18
rapid sandal
first room was hermes and now this
rapid sandal
@tight basinshouldnt i be going for heart rend now?
they offered me tons of aphrodite rooms early and i rejected them all
tight basin
no because you dont have a great way to inflict weak
aphro atk is garbage for rail
passion dash can work but it's kinda eh
rather have tidal for more dps
rapid sandal
@tight basini just got hermes again
he gave me an epic special speed boost
finally a zeus gate showed up
@tight basini got forced into athena gate
and took divine dash
tight basin
welp that works i guess
rapid sandal
i thought it was some duo ability that you wanted me to get
well i dont need more big aoe big dmg you should see the eris special with cluster bombs lol
if i aim the special right on top of myself, all 5 rockets hit the same area doing massive damage to bosses
@tight basinhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1043953082431709237/1099962520694956082/image.png?width=1609&height=905
ah bummer
targeting system right?
rapid sandal
wait where's your zeus attack <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i sold it
i plan on getting at least an epic one
i had a blue one before
rapid sandal
rarity doesnt matter for it
it DOES
tight basin
it literally doesnt when static discharge is more important
and does a lot more damage
rapid sandal
btw im not using attacks at all to fight
tight basin
well there goes like half your dps
rapid sandal
well there goes like half your dps
targeting system + frost strike = over 70% slow
rapid sandal
it's multiplicative
so the first slow from targeting system will be multiplied by the slow from frost strike? (x1.4)
thats STILL really good against bosses they wont be able to move out of my special AOE
tight basin
Something like that I think
rapid sandal
Hades is by no means a main game
you cant play it all day you get burned out in 2 hours
vagrant crane
you cant play it all day you get burned out in 2 hours
vagrant crane
I once played Hades like 8 hours 🗿
yea
plain river
so the first slow from targeting system will be multiplied by the slow from fros...
.6*targetting slow
wary adder
you cant play it all day you get burned out in 2 hours
weak
tight basin
I get frustrated when I play too long lmao
vagrant crane
it depends
if im running i play for shorter
because resetting gets to u
but if im just playing nomrlalay not really
last dirge
I used to play it all day every day for a while
Just do a variety of builds
A variety of weapons and aspects
I generally go for darker thirst for variety
Or have some other goal
It's not that tedious of a game tbh
Different God's mechanics work differently enough to keep stuff interesting.
lucid oar
Longest ive played is like 4 hours
This day i was getting pretty angry and i told myself I wouldn’t stop till i PBed
During beo aotw one time
delicate hatch
I once played Hades like 8 hours 🗿
me when i played 13 hours on the day i bought it
valid dagger
This day i was getting pretty angry and i told myself I wouldn’t stop till i PBe...
Did you pb
lucid oar
Yeah but it was the 5:39 where storage ran out mid recording
ivory turtle
Any good build ideas for lightning phalanx? Trying to get my fated list of prophecy done haha
warm snow
aspect of hera with parting shot
vagrant crane
Any good build ideas for lightning phalanx? Trying to get my fated list of proph...
achilles
warm snow
bleh
ivory turtle
Oooooh a battle
vagrant crane
it's fun on hera for the first 3 seconds of a room
and then your stones go to the farm upstate
vagrant crane
yeah and has an innate dmg bonus
ivory turtle
Is the loop special, cast, dstrike dstrike?
vagrant crane
it's like
your casts will probably kill things
on non speedruns achilles is very flexible in your rotation
you can just chuck your casts out
or you can chuck one or two and then start dash striking
probably depends on how chunky of an enemy you're fighting
ivory turtle
This is a fun build ngl
Got smoldering air too
Also
If I have serrated dash and extending jab, would the anvil be worth the gamble here?
vagrant crane
No
tight basin
anvil scum it so you replace serrated with flurry lmao
ivory turtle
Figured, don't wanna lose serrated lol
ivory turtle
anvil scum it so you replace serrated with flurry lmao
What if lol
vagrant crane
serrated lightning strike 
vagrant crane
yea its fine
plain river
Any good build ideas for lightning phalanx? Trying to get my fated list of proph...
Achilles for big extra damage
hera tends to have the issue with lightning phalanx of casts going byebye
wooden axle
the way i just barely beat hades EM 🥹 does anyone have tips cause i lost like twice before i managed to beat him JSJSJSN
for reference i was at 23 heat i think?
warm snow
bright solar
Best builds for Arthur aspect??
viscid rain
I was getting 1350+ damage per swing with Artemis strike
plain river
Best builds for Arthur aspect??
Aphrodite strike + zeus call -> smouldering air
Sorry I’m like 4 hours late
last dirge
That's good on everything. Not very specific.
plain river
It answered the question
last dirge
Fair
plain river
I could’ve said ME as well
probably should’ve mentioned shadow slash though
Crit Arthur is a type of arthur build that exists.
last dirge
I'm just gonna expand. Deadly strike like red said is good because it has high base damage. For hammers yeah Shadow Slash, Double Edge, Greater Consecration, even the other Special hammers besides Dash Nova are solid. Remember that your standing attack combos can persist between dashes.
Yeah
plain river
Crit Arthur is a type of arthur build that exists.
That’s all that needs to be said about it.
It exists.
last dirge
So you're like strike 1 > dash strike > strike 2 > dash strike > combo finisher
last dirge
Double Nova is good on some Arthur builds
plain river
but bring double nova up to actually useful because it’s harder to disrupt the second pulse
last dirge
Also, Flurry Strike and Flourish are very good
Yeah
With Deadly Flourish it's really solid dmg
But you need Double Nova
Otherwise special builds are meh
plain river
Special builds exist just like crit arthur exists
last dirge
They want to have fun with Arthur. This is the fun stuff.
last dirge
If they just need to get to dad then fair just go for smair
For the prophecy
Arthur has major flaws but if you get Swift Strike/Flourish it's pretty hard to fail with
dense basin
Arthur is good at cleaning multiple trash at the same time
If there's one strong opponent it falls behind
warm shoal
Why is the sword so hard to use?
warm snow
because it forces you into a combo
try this
special into 2 dash-strikes
then repeat
edgy jungle
I feel like I always get stuck doing strike-dashes with sword, it's the only weapon I have that problem with
vagrant crane
I feel like I always get stuck doing strike-dashes with sword, it's the only wea...
you're supposed to dash strike with sword
edgy jungle
yes, I'm saying I get the inputs wrong when I try to dash strike
vagrant crane
o
tight basin
yes, I'm saying I get the inputs wrong when I try to dash strike
lmao same
deft ocean
I straight up cannot do dash strikes. My hands simply won't cooperate. 😅
tight basin
i spam attack too much so i get some standing attacks in there
tight basin
I straight up cannot do dash strikes. My hands simply won't cooperate. 😅
controller or kbm?
deft ocean
Controller
vagrant crane
dash strikes felt so awkward on controller
they definitely arent because people r good with controller
but i tried it and i just couldnt do it
i had to stick my attack on a trigger
tight basin
aren't the defaults for dash and atk awkward for most people
vagrant crane
just futz around with the controls until you find something that works
i hear that people roll their thumb from a to x
tight basin
ah
edgy jungle
played with controller twice now, having attacks and movement aimed from the same stick really threw me off
vagrant crane
yeah thats why i am not going to play the controller gaming
tight basin
putting the dash on a different button would help tho
vagrant crane
but yea playing bow was so annoying on it
i couldnt even do beo
got like 300 tart
mustve been the lack of scoots 
plain river
aren't the defaults for dash and atk awkward for most people
No
Dash striking is ez
Actually
I can’t say anything
I’ve been playing so long
last dirge
dash strikes felt so awkward on controller
It's tough yeah.
My advice since I dash strike a lot on switch: put dash on a bumper or trigger
Mine is on R
Press them together as expected
Aim can still be awkward but that gets down basic execution
Aim is solved by good spawns or grouping them together
For bow obviously hold attack when dash striking
viscid rain
if I was on controller I would make my cast on RT
if I played hades on controller I mean
(I play other games on controller)
acoustic vale
Why play games on controller?
vagrant crane
Why play games on controller?
hades has a lot more controllable movement on controller
2d top down/isometric games in general do
platformers as well often perform better on controller
and fps games are fine so long as you do gyro with funny method
robust anchor
just had a run where i sold stubborn roots 4 times lol
vagrant crane
idk shield builds are 99% boring
before aspects
just start aphrodite and take atk
proud sand
idk shield builds are 99% boring
I like the fact it’s defensive + can be used fairly offensively
If I’m overwhelmed I block
last dirge
Try Splitting Headache idk
It's just a workable bow build on Chaos shield
If you want something super strong try Merciful End on your dash strike
Ares keepsake > epic curse of pain (rarity is essential) > divine flourish > divine dash/merciful end
Rarity is essential on your doom. It couldnt matter less on dash and barely matters on special
Just dash strike. Tap dash + attack through groups of enemies.
vagrant crane
I like the fact it’s defensive + can be used fairly offensively
yeah i mean shield as a weapon is fine
the builds you do are just boring
i guess you could go for smair
last dirge
Yeah thats the least shield shield build
proud sand
I used to do ares on special and Dionysus on attack
vagrant crane
yea dont do that
with shield just like never press the special button
and the attack isn’t fast enough or low damage enough to warrant dio
narrow linden
sheild is loosely the most beginner friendly weapon
chaos sheild might be a bit weak compared to what i heard it used to be
but doing dash attack>bull rush>special over and over is a safe and effective method
tight basin
well using the special isn't safe lol
you could do it like point blank, but it's not that much damage to begin with
narrow linden
true, but you don't HAVE to use it every single bullrush if you're at 0 heat
narrow linden
I mean, we're talking about beginner strats to get a first clear but ye
plain river
chaos sheild might be a bit weak compared to what i heard it used to be
I mean the reason it was used to be good afaik was the actual spray of the shields
It was more of a star shape around you
Then it was changed to cone infront and it lost most of it’s usefulness
It’s about as close as you can get to playing aspectless shield
narrow linden
i've only had the gamer for like 4 days and cleared once
on fists which was a shock to me because i'm usually a master of range lol
I'm trying to find a guide to which weapons are worth upgrades
ofc there's the "the one you like"
but at the same time....i want to know haha
plain river
Chekc pins in #h1-for-new-players
Nyaanyaa isn’t here anymore to answer any questions for reasons I can’t accurately recount but this is a good guide
proper furnace
Well it's pinned in new players for a reason
Its more of a "just got aspects what is the best?"
narrow linden
I'm not saying this isn't helpful and i'm happy for it
just sad it won't tell me which hidden aspects are worth going for
warm snow
all except hidden sword/fists
proper furnace
Hidden sword is so easy to win tho
warm snow
it's SLOW though
proper furnace
Unless your goal is extreme speedruns/heat then yeah
proper furnace
Hidden fists is like the only one that you can keep at lvl 1 and perfom as well as max lol
It's gimmick can be used but eh
You barely use it
tight basin
just sad it won't tell me which hidden aspects are worth going for
shield and bow are considered the strongest, rail and spear close behind, sword and fists are at the bottom
will say that the gap between sword and fists is pretty large tho lmao
hidden spear also kinda funky to use tho
narrow linden
will say that the gap between sword and fists is pretty large tho lmao
guan yu? more like guan poo
plain river
Guan-yu is a good aspect
narrow linden
yeah i wanted to say guan poo
tight basin
if you're doing a spin build you prob need quick spin lmao
could do without it maybe but it's a whole lot more risky
it's hard to treat a guan yu spin build like "weird bow" when it takes much longer to charge for less damage lmao
last dirge
Not really less since you can combo in immediate specials
proud sand
with shield just like never press the special button
yeah
opal tundra
Who's good with Gilgamesh's normal and special?
plain river
Merciful End
glossy arrow
How do people escape sub ten minutes? Best I got with a bow is 13:20...
vagrant crane
practice
glossy arrow
Well, I have 530+ hours... It still can be practise issue, but maybe there is more?
tight basin
How do people escape sub ten minutes? Best I got with a bow is 13:20...
yeah watching sleepsoul's speedrun video helps a lot
a lot of it does come down to practice and mechanical skill, but a part of it also comes from making the right build decisions
for a sub10, you don't need too many skips, you'd need some probably
but with clean mechanics and a good build you can get a sub10
last dirge
Well, I have 530+ hours... It still can be practise issue, but maybe there is mo...
You have the practice. You can probably do it with some more specific practice.
It's not like you're starting from scratch. Just learning some basics will cut off a minute
Potentially
I dont go for time but lots of people here do. My pb is like exactly under 14 mins
For one speedruns use em2 and td2 iirc
Or was it fo2?
I know it's a measly 9 heat
last dirge
That stuff allows for a Lernie skip and much faster spawns and combat
Not a full skip iirc right?
wary adder
em2 fo2
last dirge
I've seen some videos of the old skip
tight basin
there's no full skip bugs
last dirge
You also use the Meg summon for this stuff
tight basin
in modern speedrunning
tight basin
em2 and fo2 just makes dealing with things faster yeah
last dirge
Also, knowing and taking free rooms
Like basically never skipping shops iirc
Idk I've just seen some haelian videos. There are others who are better and better at teaching it.
tight basin
Like basically never skipping shops iirc
there's like 1 niche use case but yeah lmao
last dirge
But you got 500 hours so you got the knowledge base
tight basin
Idk I've just seen some haelian videos. There are others who are better and bet...
sleepsoul's video is better than haelian imo
last dirge
Yeah probably I was just following his funny build videos
tight basin
haelian is good mechanically and is good at heat and speed and like basic info, but sleepsoul's video is more in depth while maintaining simplicity
last dirge
One of the best speed runners didnt know that Hades has set phase shifts
tight basin
also has a better voice lmao
last dirge
Yeah
Shows it's pretty accessible
I assume he has speedrunning experience but you have more Hades experience
tight basin
at the point where bigp started speedrunning yeah probably
last dirge
Yeah thats what I mean
glossy arrow
td bad because removes survival rooms
Wait, are survival rooms good? They are so long
glossy arrow
Even when playing for fun, I always turn td on just to not get survival rooms, I really don't like them
tight basin
@last dirge the only "decent" meme beam hera build i can think of is cold embrace but that's just really weird lmao
last dirge
Yeah
tight basin
would still require a bunch of weird maneuvering tho
tight basin
and also you'd want glacial glare, so now you're stuck with bad zag bow lol
tight basin
at that point just use zag bow because it's functionally the same thing
last dirge
I mean you're basically using bad zag bow to stack the casts
The casts are doing serious damage
tight basin
i mean yeah, on hera the dps is all coming from your cast
but with beams, your loaded shots don't deal bonus damage
last dirge
True
tight basin
you're just shooting beams out to a different place you could've dashed to lmao
last dirge
It's just about placement
Yeah I prefer talos
Dash upper around with explosive upper
tight basin
also like zag bow would have a naturally better start with meme beams than hera lol
tight basin
start artemis or aphro, whichever duo you want
and you'd actually have dps while getting the duo
tight basin
yeah could work
last dirge
Best castpect for it too by bar
tight basin
but idk if i'd take cold embrace over crystal clarity
tight basin
achilles by itself is already pretty involved lol
last dirge
But it can probably out damage clarity
tight basin
but how frequent would they be hitting tho
clarity would hit a lot more often i'd assume
last dirge
The duration means more value out of the Achilles boost though
tight basin
does embrace last longer than clarity?
last dirge
Glare might make that less important though
tight basin
i thought it was just a larger % buff
tight basin
wait what
last dirge
Pretty sure its +4 seconds which is really long
tight basin
i thought embrace did 30% and clarity did 10% more
last dirge
Maybe embrace does both idk
tight basin
oh dang yeah it does
last dirge
Secretly op??? (Real)
tight basin
funky
yeah i'd still use clarity lmao
let it do its own thing rather than have me force it to work
last dirge
I guess
Clarity is also better with glare probably
And even better with blast
Because the beams will hunt down enemies and burst them
last dirge
Yeah
vagrant crane
critting for 30 
tight basin
on the other hand, a crit on meme beam would mean like
last dirge
It would be the good crit cast
tight basin
yeah lmao 3 extra ticks from the beam
last dirge
Critting for 30 every few seconds
tight basin
that'd have to be a pretty substantial crit chance no?
last dirge
Faster even
tight basin
how often does it hit
tight basin
idk how to do math, but assuming like
last dirge
So with 10% every 2s
tight basin
a crit every 10th hit
would that be better than the 10% buff
well tbf you get clarity for the tracking not the damage
last dirge
It would trigger HM
Yeah
It's just better flavor for dmg
And can be built around more than just dmg
Which makes more sense on Aphro because she has the highest dmg
Weird identity conflict
The only big dmg boosting boon Artemis really has is hdash
tight basin
arty's whole thing is kinda just critting tho
last dirge
Yeah but hdash is better all in 1
CRIT builds take more boons
2 at least to not suck
The core ofc and HM
tight basin
yeah fair
last dirge
Hdash is her only real damage buff
tight basin
crit builds tend to rely more on mark or a duo
last dirge
Otherwise her kit isnt about immediate damage like that, it's about setup
Though tbf hdash fits that too
Since it does no direct damage
Also, Hide Breaker is pretty decent with something like a 10% crit clarity
You're actually critting enough but small enough to not overkill, and just quickly break armor
Maybe not worth the boon slot but eh
That's its use
Also like hdash + dstrike is a wonderful combo on GY or something
Artemis works like that. Needs other boons for a boost somewhere or other.
Hdash fills in the low dstrike damage
wooden axle
what build is good with rama? 🥹
tight basin
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
Thanks MiKE
wooden axle
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Art...
THANK U 🫂
plain river
Wait, are survival rooms good? They are so long
Yes, for in game time save. also fo2 will make your runs faster as enemies will spawn faster (and walk to you faster and attack faster to trigger jolted more often). Em2 will also make if faster because having all lernies heads scrunched up together makes it way easier to kill multiple at the same time and reduces travel time.
warm snow
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Art...
idk man
viscid rain
what build is good with rama? 🥹
I love Zeus special with high voltage, double strike, 4 special arrows instead of 3, and faster special Hermes boon
vagrant crane
relentless gives you +4
but im pretty sure that shouldnt affect how mnay bolts you get
rama is still all in cooldown right
valid dagger
It should be the same number of bolts
steady vine
Good guan yu build
tight basin
Or just a high % modifier on the special lmao
raw peak
Haven't beat Hades yet but I've made it to the final phase of the final boss a couple of times now and was curious about something. Is Ares and curse of Agony + Dire Misfortune as good as I think it is? Its basically the only build I aim for
vagrant crane
Haven't beat Hades yet but I've made it to the final phase of the final boss a c...
no
that's pretty bad
doesnt do much damage
raw peak
So what is the go to builds then?
vagrant crane
well there are a lot
for doom you essentially need ME for it to do any damage whatsoever
vagrant crane
merciful end
duo between ares and athena
ares attack -> athena special and dash
without that doom is just bad
raw peak
So then what do I go for? because the builds have basically been doom stacking plus deflect dash
glossy arrow
Which cast is best for beo?
vagrant crane
Which cast is best for beo?
depends
well
just in general
take flood flare
but the cast on its own with nothing else passion flare
maybe trippy flare
but flood flare is better
for heats less than like 45
when you dont need AP or RI
because just get mirage lol
glossy arrow
take flood flare
Doesnt it knockback enemies? Will they get hit with next charges?
vagrant crane
flood flare knockback is basically nonexistent
absolutely miniscule im pretty sure it doesnt even proc sea storm
glossy arrow
Is it? When I used it without beo it did quite well
vagrant crane
flood shot =/= flood flare
glossy arrow
flood shot =/= flood flare
Wow, I havent seen this non equal sign in ages
Anyway, thanks, I will try flood :3
vagrant crane
Anyway, thanks, I will try flood :3
you nmejed mirage shot
need
so force artemis into asphodel
and take strike
and then look for duo
tight basin
Which cast is best for beo?
flood flare
mirage shot is bugged on beo to deal 100% damage instead of 30%, and flood flare will give you half of the reqs
it still has respectable damage and is good enough for the first 2 biomes, but later you'll want mirage. the run's doable without it, but it's much easier with mirage shot
if you dont wanna rely on a duo, go for passion flare
take pstatus and look for snow burst, frost strike, or mistral dash
snow burst is gonna be the best, mistral dash worst
you can have some other status curse on the attack so you can get pstatus before you have snurst, but dio and ares atk on beo kinda bad lol
ideally you'd have snowburst inflict the first status, and then have heart break strike to inflict the second so that all of your flares benefit from the 40% bonus
could substitute heartbreak strike with dio/ares, but again, those suck
will work in a pinch tho
ruby siren
sooo, im between tartar n aspho on a run rn, n this has the potential to be a crazyyy hunting blades build. the glaring problem is i dont have ares cast yet hahahaha so my question is should i put the Artemis keepsake on now to get her core boon out of the way & then put Ares' on in Elysium since it has more rooms and i technically only need one Artemis boon, or do i put ares on first to make sure i end up with his cast asap? theres a very slim to none chance ill get arty randomly in aspho bc i already have pos, zeus, & ares boons so either way im not gonna be eligible for the duo til my 2nd ely boon #h1-victory-boasting message
vagrant crane
Sell the call for one
and engulfing if you can
eh i guess engulfings fine
but yeah just take arty
if you don't get the cast in aspho force ares into ely
and then pray
ruby siren
i was planning on keeping the call bc billowing strength=extra hunting blades dmg plus itll get buffed by engulfing & ares legendary if i get it
even tho it's objectively the worst call lol
vagrant crane
yeah but ares call sucks
and will be detrimental to your dps
and also 150 gold
cause you're broke
tight basin
take arty because she isn't in the god pool yet yeah
ruby siren
take arty because she isn't in the god pool yet yeah
yea thats what i was thinking as well
tight basin
stygian soul is an interesting choice tho
ruby siren
i use it like once in a blue moon hoping ill get an xtra bloodstone from chaos n i did this time on the first room 🙂
tight basin
also btw you can post images by using the image link
vagrant crane
2 stones is not enough for an achilles hb build
ruby siren
xtra bloodstone and auto reload. it's gonna be wayyy more blades than if i had the regular one
vagrant crane
no because you'd have 4 out at once
tight basin
vagrant crane
rather than like
3 out
and the auto reload is like 2.75s
which is 0.25s faster
tight basin
slicing shot doesn't last long enough such that it's worth using stygian over infernal
vagrant crane
hb literally lasts for 3.3 seconds
so you have an extra cast out with like .3 second advantage
but also
2 less of them
which just negates that entirely
stiff stone
Not having to pick them up from all over the place compensates for that
vagrant crane
not really
ruby siren
Not having to pick them up from all over the place compensates for that
2 regenerating every 2.5 seconds is about as fast as 4 n then going in getting them unless u end up w flurry
yea exactly
vagrant crane
2/2.5 is not as fast as 4
tight basin
if you instaphase the boss then you'll have plenty of time to pick them up 😎
vagrant crane
given the overlap there is only for 0.8 seconds
tight basin
infernal allows for more consistent burst damage compared to stygian
vagrant crane
and with this build actually is 0.55 seconds
you use stygian in non cast builds which want hermes and for trippy
thats about it
meme beams r fake
tight basin
if you dont get another cast by the time you reach say dad fight, you'll have a lot less burst damage than infernal
ruby siren
i use infernal like 99% of runs, but i like experimenting w being able to justify a use case for stygian
tight basin
trippy shot/flare is a justified use case
ruby siren
i tried doing the same thing w stubborn defiance but there is literally no justification for that xD
tight basin
i tried doing the same thing w stubborn defiance but there is literally no justi...
high heat, becomes your budget form of healing when you take lasting consequences 4
vagrant crane
is trippy beo pride or legacy angle
tight basin
same beo rules probably apply
vagrant crane
im going legacy
tight basin
meaning, pick whatever
ruby siren
high heat, becomes your budget form of healing when you take lasting consequence...
i had the same thought actually, i turned lasting consequences up to 75% wen i was messing w it
tight basin
both are justified lol
vagrant crane
to get the bad duos out of the way?
lucid oar
Just to get the duo
vagrant crane
what even is pos/dio duo
lucid oar
Ea
lucid oar
Trippy beo doesn’t even need Hermes
tight basin
Trippy beo doesn’t even need Hermes
epic auto reload based tho
lucid oar
I’d rather have common + mirage 
lucid oar
What number even is that
tight basin
2 sec i think?
tight basin
vagrant crane
tight basin
oh it was 40 heat lmao
vagrant crane
whar do i do
tight basin
that's so based
tight basin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1103140987175436288/i...
my brother in christ what happened to your rerolls already
lucid oar
Attack
plain river
i tried doing the same thing w stubborn defiance but there is literally no justi...
Uh lc4 is 100% justification
vagrant crane
do i just reseet for c2 grasp or something
plain river
So practically any time you’re playing 32+ heat
vagrant crane
playing one stone sucks
tight basin
that sucks
considering without it is 3 seconds, a whole 1 sec is pretty good
2.25 to 2 is kinda eh
but also like the time adds up lol
tight basin
i feel like a 1 second common auto reload would be broken
vagrant crane
well yeah
2 sec common
1.5 sec blue
1 sec purple
0.5 sec red
sounds funny
insta regen red
lucid oar
Is common 2.75
tight basin
yeah
vagrant crane
whats athena dio duo
vagrant crane
does trippy/ddash open
tight basin
probably
vagrant crane
pushing that midboss ig
vagrant crane
tart has 3 miniboss doors right
tight basin
yeah
vagrant crane
1 stone is literally so bad
ruby siren
high heat, becomes your budget form of healing when you take lasting consequence...
WOOOO i took arty's keepsake, immediately got refreshing nectar n got epic arty special followed by epic slicing shot, thanks guys :3 would be amazing if the 3rd RN got me the dup
duo*
that would free me up to put the hourglass on for ely n possible score xtra bloodstones from the welllllp
warm snow
ruby siren
true, but sometimes i wish they were a little bit more efficient. like i dont like that gods get added to the pool when u get extraneous non atk/dash/spcl/cast/call boons. but other than that small detail, 90% of the time being likely to get the same god multiple times is... a boon lol, rather than a detriment
tight basin
WOOOO i took arty's keepsake, immediately got refreshing nectar n got epic arty ...
the special damage on Achilles didn't matter much but that's solid lmao
Just get the duo and then it'll be usable
also you probably have mirage shot open
so have fun with that lmao
ruby siren
im maintaining that the stygian soul setup i have rn is working wayyy better than infernal would. 2.5 seconds is plenty of time for me to cast cast, special, dash, & then immediately cast again. even before hunting blades one or two blade rift casts is plenty to take out pretty much all the enemies in elysium, esp w blk metal and engulfing vortex. infernal would be better on the boss fights for sure, but only if i had flurry cast
tight basin
on the other hand, you just send all your casts, reapply raging rush, and then do your own thing while the casts are going
boss fights dont need flurry either
ruby siren
~~the special damage on Achilles didn't matter much~~ but that's solid lmao
obv not haha but it was basically the most ideal situation i could have gotten out of it. & those crits do be crittin haha esp bc i have the special recovery crit hammer as well
tight basin
between waves you can easily pick up casts because of achilles movement
tight basin
obv not haha but it was basically the most ideal situation i could have gotten o...
special recovery should not be used on achilles at all
that doesn't apply raging rush so you're not getting the boost out of it
ruby siren
special recovery should not be used on achilles at all
i applies to the raging rush too i think ? isnt that technically recovery as well?
tight basin
no
proper furnace
Nope
tight basin
because that does 0 damage lol
ruby siren
that doesn't apply raging rush so you're not getting the boost out of it
ohhh. thats layyyyyyummmmm
proper furnace
Recovery is like the normal spear special
ruby siren
because that does 0 damage lol
not truuuu
ruby siren
i took meg out w it, it literally freeze framed on my rushing into her as the final hit of the match
proper furnace
15 dmg is basically 0 dmg at the speed you use it
ruby siren
15 dmg is basically 0 dmg at the speed you use it
i didnt kno it was that low, fair enough
vagrant crane
because that does 0 damage lol
ni
it’s kinda something uf u have thunder flourish a bit
but not rlly
proper furnace
i didnt kno it was that low, fair enough
Makes the +25% dmg bonus from zag spear even more funny
ruby siren
OKAY I KNEW IT im rushing into mad brightswords n it's critting like crazy doing 190-210 dmg on average (wen it crits which is a LOT like half so i can imagine the hammer is contributing))
vagrant crane
flurry jab gud
ruby siren
it might still be 15 base dmg i do have a lot of buffs but i doubt it's enough to bring it from 15 base dmg to 210
proper furnace
Do you have hunter's mark by chance
ruby siren
flurry jab gud
flurry jab + thunder strike 😍⚡️⛈
ruby siren
Do you have hunter's mark by chance
negative just the one arty boon
tight basin
well that's certainly interesting
i dont think it makes it good but it's certainly a thing lmao
ruby siren
just crit 4 rushes in a row, the last one did 229 :)))
proper furnace
Im still not touching that hammer but funny
tight basin
best 2nd hammer
proper furnace
How much is doing no crit anyways
ruby siren
it's good in the sense that it gives the 75% rush & allows for crazy mobility, the fact that the dmg is actually decent is surprising & def just icing on the cake
75% buff*
ruby siren
How much is doing no crit anyways
ill check hang on
tight basin
i feel like you shouldn't be relying on the rush itself for damage lmao
proper furnace
isn't it 150
Low lvl achilles
tight basin
oh true
nah her screen shot has maxed achilles
viscous skewer is prob the 75% special boost
and then the increased crit chance right
70% total prob
ruby siren
89 i think, hard to see cuz the # is smaller
tight basin
but also relying on the rush damage is extremely cursed lmao
proper furnace
Not the first time I've seen it
ruby siren
i *feel* like you shouldn't be relying on the rush itself for damage lmao
im not relying on it hahaha it's a hb build, icinggggg
proper furnace
But also i've mainly seen it on reddit so lol
tight basin
yeah that makes sense
proper furnace
Backstab and everything
tight basin
i was talking specifically achilles tho
proper furnace
Oh 
vagrant crane
if you want to see some cool gameplay from someone not good at achilles you should check out my shiny new achilles vod https://youtu.be/PWDPqNcX8lg
ruby siren
ugh just got to T&A & still no HB. 😢 i even had a yarn & bought a arty from the shop. fingers crossed hardddd for their boons being in the temple. even without HB this build freaked it in elysium, but dad moves around wayyyy too much to not have it
tight basin
i generally reset achilles runs if i'm leaving tart without a core for the duo lol
ruby siren
if you want to see some cool gameplay from someone not good at achilles you shou...
aw ill check it out after this run fs. i posted this ice wine run earlier that boon is sickkkk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiE-97GjJ1Q
also not good lol
vagrant crane
i haven’t tried ice wine i heard it pops up without needing to be lobbed?
tight basin
oh that's how ice wine works lmao
vagrant crane
idek
tight basin
go to 32:51 in her vid
i just skipped forward to see how it works because i haven't used it in ages
it's horizontal launch instead of an overhead arch it seems like
tight basin
ice wine achilles is fine tbh
tbf like
the lob wasn't that great lmao
takes too much time
ruby siren
i haven’t tried ice wine i heard it pops up without needing to be lobbed?
yes! i talked about that a lot in that video, it's amazing bc of that glitch where lobbing can cause u to perma-lose ur bloodstones for the match, but for some reason structures tend to block ice wine so thats the one downside
shell mortar
does rare crop work retroactively? Like, if you got epic but only had one boon, would boons you got later be affected?
proper furnace
Nope
vagrant crane
naur
stiff stone
Would be cool if it had charges like that tho
vagrant crane
crop also is buggy
tight basin
is it beo exclusive or like everywhere
tight basin
yes! i talked about that a lot in that video, it's amazing bc of that glitch whe...
what glitch is that?
tight basin
oh cshot i have proof
vagrant crane
and probably other stuff
proper furnace
Wait what is wrong with cshot lmao
tight basin
hold on
vagrant crane
if you take crop after cshot the cshot damage reverts to pre hammer
proper furnace
Why it is always shield
vagrant crane
it's always bugowolf
proper furnace
if you take crop after cshot the cshot damage reverts to pre hammer
???????
proper furnace
Yeah yeah
ruby siren
what glitch is that?
idk if it's only on computer or sumthin, but pretty much any fight if u lob before moving at all, u go thru the motion but lob nothing, still lose the bloodstone, & if u have infernal u never get it back. if u have flurry u usually end up losing all of them. it also happens wen u try to lob it over a structure. also applies to rail special
proper furnace
Same thing basically?
vagrant crane
incredible
tight basin
proper furnace
I hate this game
tight basin
yeah lol
vagrant crane
also nice thumbnail
tight basin
i spent 2 minutes on it
vagrant crane
that's cgull tier
proper furnace
Can we go back to when we only worried about tiny flare sometimes
tight basin
i wanted to deep fry the eyes but oh well
tight basin
Can we go back to when we only worried about tiny flare sometimes
haha no
proper furnace
Why does this stupid shield refuses to work
vagrant crane
crop may or may not also do rng damage just in general?
tight basin
did you crop in your pb?
how else did you think i get a red flare at the end lmao
tight basin
also crop is like there in the boon page
vagrant crane
idk i just look at top right corner
tight basin
my choices for dem was like
dash, call, or something else
oh crop duh
i didn't want to waste a reroll
vagrant crane
call bc beo has sprint+RD built in
tight basin
tbf the run didn't need rd
i got a late rd
but like
how was i supposed to know lmao
vagrant crane
did you instaphase dad
tight basin
for the most part yeah
tight basin
i think i was like 1 loaded cast off or something idk
lemme check
i ended with 7 casts so it's hard to judge lmao
tight basin
literally just "aight split 4 and 3 and then just juggle the casts wherever i pick them up"
tight basin
i literally cannot tell how many casts i needed for p1p1 instaphase lmao
i wanna say like 4 maybe lmao
or 5
idk man
vagrant crane
did you p1 meg???
vagrant crane
nice
tight basin
man it's hard to tell
there's too many numbers
5 or 6 casts killed p2p2
how much juice is a braid, hyper sprint + 3 ichors on common rd, and mirage
and 40% common shot lol
vagrant crane
dad has 3 p1 phases and 2 p2 phases
ruby siren
i did get epic razor shoals & rare wave pounding so i might just win by dashing into him xD
ruby siren
dad has 3 p1 phases and 2 p2 phases
ohhh yea phase one of p2 is the easiest imo
p1p1 the hardest for me
assuming it's full EM which is always lol
ooo 'i send you home now with nothing to show for it.' it always amazing me wen after almost 500 runs i still hear unfamiliar dialogue
jade gale
phase 3 is harder because of the mental pressure of actually almost winning and sick music transition
doomstone bug seriously helps so much for phase 1 it's silly
now that I'm abusing it, 20% of the time the fight is like 50% easier
warm snow
doomstone bug?
jade gale
leaving doomstone alive if summoned on the first round and till the second wave of spawns
makes no enemies spawn on the second wave
because too many entities or something like that
vagrant crane
doomstone is invuln guy right
jade gale
nah, it's the rock lazers
vagrant crane
whar
annyoing
i think that guy should be executed
for existing
and being slower than sneak on achilles
warm snow
yep
ruby siren
because of the summons
exactlyyyy. the positions & variety of enemies make it kind of impossible to predict no matter how long u spend learning atk patterns. everything after that is super hard at first but the learning curve is much more forgiving
tight basin
sneak and butterfly ball suck
em4 takes too much effort to learn and be good at so i opt to just not
vagrant crane
57 ri3 cp1 em3
ruby siren
sneak and butterfly ball suck
esp butterfly ball. sneak at least has a rhythm. soul catcher is vomit inducing
vagrant crane
the solution: HESTIA
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ruby siren
🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 🇦🇱 ...
i need to take hestia for a spin ive been messing w eris so much lately after finally growing an appreciation for her. i finally got quintuple rocket bombs last time tho so i feel like it's a good note to switch things up on
do u mean take out the soul catcher w hestia tho?
vagrant crane
yea teleporting isnt much of an issue with hestia because hte projectile is super fast and it deals burst damage rather than eris atk
tight basin
it's more like, hestia can deal with the ball a lot easier than other aspects
there's no wind up time on hestia
and that yeah
ruby siren
i feel like another good solution is AOE attacks like triple jab for instance is coming to mind, just for swatting them away while u focus on the big man
vagrant crane
on like beo you can get stuck there charging a cshot at the sneak and then it teleports away
o yea apparently triple jab all three prongs can hit dad
tight basin
rails suffer less from em4 summons, mostly because the damage is instantaneous
tight basin
o yea apparently triple jab all three prongs can hit dad
serrated at home?
ruby siren
on like beo you can get stuck there charging a cshot at the sneak and then it te...
also trying to charge up bull rush or bow atk n the butterflies keep stunlocking u. literally infuriating lol
am i missing a step for learning the lyre or have a i just not practiced enough? it's been the only prophecy i have left to fulfill for a longgggg time
vagrant crane
just keep pressin it
takes like 210 of them
and you have to do runs in between
do it 10 or 20 times between runs ig
ruby siren
it started sounding melodic rather than disgusting wen i interact w it a while ago, i guess that was the halfway point. i feel like ive been doing it foreverrr tho haha i must be close
thanks for subbing btw im watching ur run now
u go fastttt haha i just attemped a lambent plume run but normally i go so much slower than u haha
it also prob looks way faster bc im watching it on a small window haha
vagrant crane
o yea i did
im gonna waatch that in like
an hour and a half
i have an exam tho
lol
ruby siren
oh nice what class? im so happy to have not had to think about an exam of any kind for ten years haha
also u didnt gift boldy 💔
yayyy the rail is purple i literally told myself i would only do another run if it was. i literally pick the darker thirst weapon every single run lol
i always crack up from the rly intense way zag says 'hestia'
tight basin
it started sounding melodic rather than disgusting wen i interact w it a while a...
i think that's close to like 3/4
i finished that prophecy somewhat shortly after iirc
tight basin
u go fastttt haha i just attemped a lambent plume run but normally i go so much ...
what speedrunning does to a mf
jazz has a sub6 lmao
5:27 or something? idk
ruby siren
whats a sub6?
warm snow
beating the game in under 6 minutes
ruby siren
WHAT howwwwww xD