#h1-builds-and-combat

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vagrant crane
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and was it cshot

warm snow
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passion flare is a scam in styx

vagrant crane
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i feel like it was like mid aspho or something

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might just be barged

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but like

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your rotation without cshot is the same

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it's just a bit slower

tight basin
vagrant crane
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you're still dash striking into bull rush

tight basin
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but either way

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the reason you feel like your dps was lacking is most likely the build

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and prob just not being used to beo

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beo takes some time to learn

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it's one of the easier ones to learn, but being a castpect inherently makes it a bit harder

vagrant crane
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i think it'd be the build

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just like

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start poseidon

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take flood flare

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take artemis into asphodel

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take deadly strike

warm snow
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yeah maybe they used thunder flare to start

vagrant crane
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look for their duo

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lmfao

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tbh i'd rather thunder than icy

tight basin
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yeah

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thunder isn't the worst but it's pretty bad

vagrant crane
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it's just thunder dash 2.0

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now with more cshot damage

tight basin
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here's a run with no cshot

vagrant crane
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did u rec

tight basin
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ofc not

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it's unmodded

vagrant crane
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lmfao

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it's an 801

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that's probably like

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9th place unmodded or something

tight basin
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lmfao

vagrant crane
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481

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9

warm snow
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best: flood, passion
usable: phalanx, hunter, trippy
bad: thunder, icy, slice

vagrant crane
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same thing

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hunter usable

warm snow
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well

tight basin
vagrant crane
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trippy should be up there though

warm snow
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last 3 aren't usable yk

warm snow
tight basin
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slicing beo kinda not bad

vagrant crane
tight basin
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that's zag shield

vagrant crane
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yeah

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are you looking at beo boards or something

tight basin
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yeah

vagrant crane
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oh

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all the unmodded runs are probably eris

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lol

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although this is 1.37

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we're enlightened now

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we play hestia

tight basin
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we also just dont play unmodded

vagrant crane
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so yeah uh

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the original thing was essentially

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@glass otter the main reason people find beo underpowered is the build they use, it's a super build dependent aspect

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if you're not using your cast, that's a major cause for not having a lot of dps on it

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to get a good build

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let me see

warm snow
vagrant crane
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this is a speedrun guide

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but also is just generally applicable to normal gameplay

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so you can use that to find dlike

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general gameplay tips

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and build and decision tips

warm snow
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wait so bad news just gives you +50% global damage?

vagrant crane
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yes

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if they don't have a cast lodged

warm snow
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i thought the bug just ignored cast lodging

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oh ok

vagrant crane
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Bad News
The damage buff is global and does not just apply to casts (as long as the enemy doesn’t have a cast lodged in them)

tight basin
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stygian soul only so basically trippy flare only lmao

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or hestia cope hermes pick

vagrant crane
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hyper sprint is better on hestia

tight basin
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yeah ik

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but point still stands

vagrant crane
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it's literally a useless boon against bosses

tight basin
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still a cope pick

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i'm not wrong lmao

vagrant crane
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yeah

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ive rolled over it tbh

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but thats just me

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we should pin the hades bugs document

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for reference

last dirge
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Thunder isnt really unusable on Beo

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It needs cshot which is already like the meta

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Then it's just a weird mega bolt build.

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And you stack Zeus

lucid oar
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Imo its really fun

last dirge
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Yeah for just a bolt build.

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It's not really a great Beo build but it works

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Its Beo and Zeus

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Like you obviously lose the aoe on the cast

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But the bolts are really big

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Cshot makes shooting them where you want easy

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It's like Hera

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Like explosive Hera

vagrant crane
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it's thunder dash 2.0

last dirge
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Yeah

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Double strike really matters

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That kinda stuff.

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And trippy imo is pretty excellent. Just requires a harder build.

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Like even 2 casts gets you into a nice cycle

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3 is very sustainable, and beyond that you can stack multiple casts

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But even just 1 trippy flare hits like a truck already

tight basin
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2 casts needs auto reload to actually feel usable lol

last dirge
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Maybe if you're playing super fast fair

tight basin
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it's more of a pain for like bosses

last dirge
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True

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Then again infernal can be too

tight basin
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because in normal rooms you can clear easily in 2 shots

last dirge
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Cast builds can just struggle on bosses

tight basin
last dirge
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Stygian builds at least get over the hump

tight basin
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i mean i guess it can work

last dirge
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Infernal on lodging casts I mean

tight basin
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but then you're waiting 5 seconds for your casts to come out of the ground

last dirge
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Those just get stuck in bosses

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Same problem

tight basin
last dirge
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Fair

tight basin
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but yeah depending on the cast build infernal can suck

last dirge
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Dont you get some back when you phase a boss?

warm snow
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is Hera usable with electric shot tho

tight basin
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hunting blades or meme beam achilles is chill

last dirge
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Maybe flurry?

warm snow
tight basin
last dirge
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Electric seems more like an Achilles thing

tight basin
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hera reduces drop time, so you can easily get them back while the boss is in their bubble

last dirge
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Or if you specifically build around Beo

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Poseidon I like but only really like playing if I am aiming for a funny exit wounds build.

tight basin
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i haven't played pos sword in a while lmao

last dirge
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Yeah

warm snow
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Poseidon is crazy to watch

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I've not played it yet

last dirge
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Sometimes I do it if sword is darker thirst

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It's pretty basic

tight basin
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my thought process is just "why play pos when achilles exists" and then i remember i suck at achilles but then i also don't want to play sword

proper furnace
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I play pos sword when I want a sword win but dont wanna play sword

last dirge
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Just have fun with Achilles for practice

tight basin
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when i want a sword win i just close the game lmao

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unironically

warm snow
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nem is bearable

last dirge
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Honestly I sometimes get runs I dont want to win

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Because they're just not good enough

tight basin
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yeah ik i look at nem and i'm just like "well this could be fun but nah"

last dirge
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Arthur special builds are fun

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Arthur in general is fun

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You can aim for a different meta

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Swift strike/flourish instead of hyperrush

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More dashes is still good ofc

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Because you can weave combos between dashes

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Feels much more playable with a good Swift

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Special builds are surprisingly good and make a lot of annoying stuff a little easier.

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Like Witches are just trivial

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I hope Hades 2 inspires a good Hades modpack of sorts.

proper furnace
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Swift arthur is really fun

last dirge
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Something like Black Reliquary or Antibirth if you followed those mods

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But smaller scale

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Like new hammers for existing stuff, new boons, maybe 1 new God and 1 new weapon from Hades 2 potentially

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Like for Hades 2 I'm really imagining something like a melee castspect that imbues your cast into your melee attacks.

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If something like that is possible in 1, then like Sickle and Dirk can be a fun weapon

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Sort of like a more combo based Beowulf

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Auto pstatus

odd trail
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i just beat hades for the 1st time

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but i have a few questions regarding my build

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i used the gauntlet which has the pull enemies thing on the special

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and i usually rush athena dash/special in tartarus(preferably dash)

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then change keepsake to ares in 2nd area to get it on my attack then change to artemis for the rest

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is this good?

warm snow
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yes that's very good

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aim for the duo boon Merciful End

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and swap to the third fist aspect

jagged pawn
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divine dash has to be one of my favourite boons, always a good choice imo. ares doom effects can be super powerful, and while i find some of artemis' boons to sometimes be a mixed bag, an artemis/ares build is great bc their duo is super useful

warm snow
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hunting blades is great on achilles

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i think the fastest build

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but it sucks without ares support

jagged pawn
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i found aspect of talos to be great earlier on for me in the game but i agree with maddie, switching to demeter's aspect maybe once you've beaten hades a few more times and are very used to how it controls. then, in my honest opinion, switch to the secret aspect once you get it, it's my current go-to for malphon. it's kind of a risk/reward thing with an extra ares-ajacent effect

vagrant crane
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you need 0 extra ares boons

warm snow
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t2 blades

vagrant crane
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well

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black metal is actively negative sometimes

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the bigger aoe is like whatever

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and those are the t2 blades

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oh nvm

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i meant engulfing not black metal i think

jagged pawn
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achilles is my favourite spear aspect but the spear is my second least favourite weapon lmao. none of the weapons are bad imo but it doesn't match my playstyle

plain river
novel comet
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does trippy shot/flare work with poseidon aspect like can i just hit them then hit the cloud of smoke and get the casts back

vagrant crane
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it only works with lodging casts

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all casts get the +50% damage buff

novel comet
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alright thanks

vagrant crane
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but you can only dislodge the stones if they're in an enemy

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so not with ares, dio, or dem casts

novel comet
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thanks i’m trying to get him and demeters legendary to finish my last few prophecies, any idea what would be good to use with demeter btw bc i can’t see any use for her at all

last dirge
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Poseidon is still a fine basic castpect because it has no conditions or status effects.

vagrant crane
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if you're using a non lodging cast it is a worse achilles

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by about an epic RD

last dirge
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Do you have Lucifer?

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Demeter might be fine there

vagrant crane
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although

last dirge
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Going cast?

vagrant crane
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does glacial glare not open the thing

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the lego

last dirge
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That seems unlikely to get the lego

vagrant crane
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you need chill t2s only right

last dirge
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It might open the tier 2s

vagrant crane
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rav will arctic blast killing freeze

acoustic skiff
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you can get it with snow burst too

vagrant crane
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i guess i'd go for something like hestia

last dirge
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But that's slower than just doing a demeter attack/special run

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True

acoustic skiff
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or rather snow burst unlocks the t2s

vagrant crane
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luci seems a pretty awful choice

last dirge
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Could just do a cast build

vagrant crane
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unless you mean starting with luci special

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which is weird

last dirge
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Luci attack can take % and is rapid

tight basin
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arthur atk with dem works

novel comet
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i’m just going with whatever build can get me to the legendary tbh like cast bc dionysus legendary is only cast

vagrant crane
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yeah but needs high % to be decent

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not dem 40%

tight basin
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i mean it'll work lmao

last dirge
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Get a better base rarity

vagrant crane
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it only goes up to 80

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aph 100

last dirge
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Good enough for just the prophecy

vagrant crane
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i guess

tight basin
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just get the good number duh

last dirge
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Then tier 2s you are already picking up for support

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It will work fine

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Special and even arctic blast provides aoe

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Not saying it's amazing but it's an aspect that can take Demeter attack

vagrant crane
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i would just do hestia

last dirge
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Usually the best candidates for it if you must are weird hybrids like hidden aspects

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Fair

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Like gilga can take demeter. It isnt great tbf

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But like it covers a lot of breakpoints and has some scaling potentially

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That's the best you're getting from Demeter

novel comet
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yeah the demeter on hestia doesn’t seem that bad, never used it before but nearly 400 damage with no poms is pretty nice

vagrant crane
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it would be uh

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not that

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between 210 and 270

novel comet
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i’ve hit 370

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on every enemy so far with it

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so idk

vagrant crane
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are you using fiery presence

novel comet
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yep

wary adder
last dirge
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This is a meme build but Demeter also works pretty well on GY spin builds.

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Because the spin is a hybrid

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You could do it on Zeus tbh. Slightly lower base dmg though (like 10?)

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More reliant on Arctic Blast

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I've done Rama special Demeter

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It's a painful build even with the +4 special hammer and a good well-pommed Arctic Blast.

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Nothing will be worse than Aphro Rama special though

vagrant crane
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gy does 50 a hit

last dirge
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See I got an epic and early-pommed heartbreak flourish, and her legendary in Tart

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Yeah so more significant than I thought

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Same "attack speed" right?

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Tick speed

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Even with Rama special trying to just charm enemies sucks

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Haelian did Aphro call which is cheating

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That's just a smair build

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Demeter really wont come together until you get multiple t2s and/or her legendary.

tight basin
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Frequency of hit?

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For rama and Zeus specials?

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I'm pretty sure rama is a lot faster

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Because rama special hits the internal cooldown with Zeus flourish but I'm fairly certain Zeus doesn't

vagrant crane
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it doesn’t

last dirge
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Zeus special vs GY spin

tight basin
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Oh that

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Yeah those are about the same afaik

vagrant crane
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i mean its roughly similar

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i don’t think u could say exactly

tight basin
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I don't wanna go through the effort to figure out if they're the same but at the very least they're similar lmao

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It probably doesn't actually matter because Zeus strike and flourish have different cooldowns

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Atk is .15 so you're fine lmao

ivory turtle
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hoya

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ok

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I wanna play a jank bow build

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anyone got something spicy?

vagrant crane
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fds zagbow

ivory turtle
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fds? sorry idk what that is lol

vagrant crane
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flat damage soup

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just like

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start tidal dash

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and then take whatever

ivory turtle
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gooootcha

vagrant crane
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like

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zeus atk

ivory turtle
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anything that isn't % right?

vagrant crane
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yeah

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or ares

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prfobably not dio

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or % works too

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just take stuff

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call and cast as well

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make it so you press the buttons a lot

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except special

ivory turtle
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ooooh ok

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also I just got twin shot

vagrant crane
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nice

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i like doing that on achilles

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just taking stuff

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press all the buttons

ivory turtle
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also nice new pfp!

vagrant crane
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thanks

tight basin
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Otherwise your dps kinda sucks

ivory turtle
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I'm so sorry I don't know rd

vagrant crane
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i mean it's still fine

tight basin
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Rush delivery

ivory turtle
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OH

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I see

vagrant crane
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it's not a speedrun or anything low dps is like fine

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more about how fun it is

tight basin
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I mean it'll work but also fds mainly exists because of how strong Rd is

vagrant crane
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but yeah

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hyper sprintreal

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id roll for it

ivory turtle
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aight sg

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trippy shot time

vagrant crane
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nice

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damage

ivory turtle
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Y'ALL

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Got this without rerolling

vagrant crane
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looks money to me

ivory turtle
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And I got epic rarity hyper sprint without rerolling

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RNG gods are loving me today

vagrant crane
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this is bow?

ivory turtle
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yeee

vagrant crane
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id force something into ely

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no atk boon kinda sucks

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given the build u can pick whatever

ivory turtle
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yeah

tight basin
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could honestly take arty

ivory turtle
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I honestly might take arty

tight basin
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what's the god pool rn

ivory turtle
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uhhh rn its pos dio and dem

tight basin
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yeah arty works

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zeus is funny

vagrant crane
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funny mirage shot

tight basin
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but i doubt you'd have the opportunity to get jolted

ivory turtle
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sea storm or something loll

tight basin
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sea storm would mean you'd need pos special

vagrant crane
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tbh the splash dash damage is immense

ivory turtle
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ahhh

vagrant crane
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that stinks

tight basin
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yeah

vagrant crane
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fun hate

tight basin
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a lot of builds like tdash and zeus atk lol

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mainly eris and luci

vagrant crane
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luci = eris

tight basin
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achilles

ivory turtle
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it would be so nice if you could get sea storm from tdash

vagrant crane
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if cluster was obtainable on luci do u think people would take

tight basin
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all of the tdash start aspects like zeus tbh

tight basin
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well

vagrant crane
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but like

tight basin
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maybe as second pick

vagrant crane
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aoe + more dmg than triple

tight basin
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is it more damage than triple

vagrant crane
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3.5

tight basin
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oh i guess if you stack them

vagrant crane
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yeah

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if you shoot right on top of yourself

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they all go in the same place

tight basin
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more maneuvering wheeee

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also if that's the case

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then that's less spread damage right

vagrant crane
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well

tight basin
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3 full value vs 5 less value

vagrant crane
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each one does 0.7

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so yeah technically

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but also it covers mroe area

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and the explosion radius is pretty big

tight basin
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is it

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i thought it was like

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average lmao

vagrant crane
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i mean

tight basin
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smaller than normal rail

vagrant crane
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it's not like standard cluster

vagrant crane
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that's smaller

tight basin
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cluster luci yeah?

vagrant crane
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huh

tight basin
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hellfire is the special isnt it

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idk the specific name

vagrant crane
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yeah

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but like

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the range of the stupid pulse thing

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is a lot less than explosion range

tight basin
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oh no i was talking about the explosion range

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i thought it was smaller than normal rail

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idc about the pulse

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forgot it existed tbh

ivory turtle
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ok. does twin explosive shot murder as much as I think it would?

tight basin
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it's pretty good

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what are the other options

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flurry is gonna be better

vagrant crane
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flurry is better

ivory turtle
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Perfect and relentless

vagrant crane
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perfect

tight basin
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perfect is better here

ivory turtle
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Gotcha

tight basin
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explosive is like the least good one

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but it's still pretty good

drowsy saddle
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its the funniest tho

ivory turtle
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shoot

vagrant crane
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on rama does hyper sprint rarity matter

ivory turtle
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do I value the funny or the good

tight basin
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unless you're doing it a like max range shot then it shouldn't matter

tight basin
vagrant crane
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isn't every shot max range

ivory turtle
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I think i value

drowsy saddle
tight basin
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i mean like without twin shot lol

tight basin
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explosive on non-rama is fine

drowsy saddle
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really

vagrant crane
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ERIS GUIDE 2 DROP

ivory turtle
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I have arty attack on zag lol

vagrant crane
drowsy saddle
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i never liked it on hera

drowsy saddle
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I NEED THIS

ivory turtle
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WOOT WOOT

drowsy saddle
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I AM SO BAD AT THIS ASPECT

tight basin
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for unmodded first hammer

vagrant crane
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i mean

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it barely matters right

drowsy saddle
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i also transitioned to flurry almost immediately

tight basin
drowsy saddle
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so i dont have much experience with it

vagrant crane
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a min charge explosive probably does similar to a flurry shot

tight basin
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but explosive on zag bow is fine tbh

ivory turtle
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FUNNY NUMBER TIME

tight basin
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it's good damage regardless

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anyways

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hyper sprint rarity on rama doesn't matter

vagrant crane
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the worst part about explosive is that it is not twin

tight basin
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ofc sprint rarity is nice but it's whatever

drowsy saddle
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they should let you do twin + triple for QUADRA SHOT

vagrant crane
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twinple

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i have advocated this

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wow

drowsy saddle
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woah howd you make the link embed

vagrant crane
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the discussion there was topical

vagrant crane
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pasted that

drowsy saddle
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damn they made it

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actually intuitive now

tight basin
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huh is that how that works now

vagrant crane
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discord has been doing a lot of stuff

tight basin
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oh that's based

vagrant crane
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cant wait for them to release Nitro Premium and Nitro Premium+ to access the full feature set

ivory turtle
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oh my gosh lol

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anyway explosive is silly for big number, also shooting behind achilles' shield is hilarious

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also i got cyclops jerky and cyclops jerky select

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this is gonna be silly

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wait so rd is global right?

vagrant crane
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yeah

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applies to all damage

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except damage frolm other sources

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like meg

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but there are very few of those

last dirge
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Maim applies to dmg from other sources bouldy

vagrant crane
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well yeah

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but maim is not rd

tight basin
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i'm assuming the maim drop damage gets buffed by rd right

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it's honestly kinda sad how bad gilga is compared to the other fists, i think it's got really good damage potential but the kit as a whole kinda just

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sucks lol

valid dagger
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Just any global damage

vagrant crane
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im convinced bp2 is the worst pact in the game

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also im literally getting better chaos on these ri ap2 things than usual rn

warm snow
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rix ap2

vagrant crane
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i had blue flourish and now i just got epic strike

tight basin
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god i love when i double roll arty and mirage shot gets ap1ed on the first screen but doesn't even show up on the next 2 rolls

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with nectar too bouldy

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would've been sub8 40 heat run

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died to heroes because played it dumb but also had no damage

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i had tons of skips too

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bouldy, eury, patty, aspho and ely fountains

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decent-ish rooms

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would've been a decent seed for an anyheat run tbh

plain river
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Js3

warm snow
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calisthenics is that bad?

proper furnace
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Doesnt help its only 2 heat

plain river
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It absolutely sucks

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Even if you aren’t going for time it’s giving every enemy more hits to live through and potential chances to damage you

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damage control bad for the same reason, giving acorn to every enemy = bad

warm snow
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aha

tight basin
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it's not that big of a problem in normal rooms unless you're playing an aspect with specific breakpoints, although it will take more time

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it becomes more of an issue for bosses, mainly because they have a large hp pool

serene rain
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nemesis best blade ?
shield best is beo

vagrant crane
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yes

plain river
novel comet
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is it possible to get curse of drowning on hera bow?

acoustic skiff
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No

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Cannot be combined with Mirage Shot, Blizzard Shot, or Aspect of Hera.

tight basin
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Oh funky didn't know that

rapid sandal
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guys does every single arrow the aspect of Chiron special shoots trigger Zeus lightning with Zeus's special boon?

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or is there some sort of internal cooldown to it on each enemy or smth like that?

tight basin
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there's an internal cooldown

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0.2 seconds, so you'll only get like 1-2 bolts

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if there wasn't an internal cooldown for thunder flourish, it'd be a lot better on chiron lol

last dirge
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If there wasnt an internal cd on bolts, I think Zeus call would just summon nigh-infinite bolts in its area and break the game

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Unsure but it would seem it just does what it says, which is make an aoe field of bolts.

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If there was no limiter then it would be like that 5x heroic flurry strike video

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So the cd is pretty important for how they function

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Zeus is honestly the best designed boss

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Aphrodite has good core stuff but her tier 2s just arent that great always. Some are sure, and the heart boost is great ofc

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Zeus is just really good scaling design

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Not a flawless boon kit but very nice

tight basin
last dirge
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How do you think it works?

tight basin
#

do the bolts come down ever 0.2 secs

last dirge
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Curious. I'm just going off of game/coding knowledge and how it seems to work

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Yeah it seems to spawn a few bolts every 0.2 seconds in some random locations

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Okay I think I have a clearer idea when I put it that way. It might be like, bolts that dont expire

tight basin
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i mean even if there were no internal cooldowns, i dont think it's too hard to determine "hey maybe the call shouldn't blast the screen with infinite bolts" lmao

last dirge
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True

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But sometimes stuff is designed janky like that, not even bad code-wise.

tight basin
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"we removed the internal cooldown of thunder bolts. to balance this out, we made zeus call summon a single big ass thunder bolt from the sky so you dont get infinite bolts"

last dirge
#

I more think it's like, Zeus call is designed in mind of the cd

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Which specifically prevents this

tight basin
#

yeah probably now that you mention it

last dirge
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And is core to how bolts work and are balanced

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So without the CD, it would act weird

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Because it's just a bolt field, same with Scintilating Feast

tight basin
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i'm no code expert, but wouldn't it be possible to only have the CD be on the call

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or would it just be easier to globalize it

last dirge
#

Yeah if Hades is made well it is

tight basin
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lmao fair i guess

rapid sandal
#

where can i check the latest patchnotes?

last dirge
#

Globally is probably easier, and for overall balance to equalize how bolts work

tight basin
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the game hasn't been updated in years tho

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so dont expect new content other than the sequel

last dirge
#

So you can easily compare all his bolt-based boons, including static discharge which is just a special strong bolt that cant apply Jolted itself, I imagine.

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Visually it's just a bolt

tight basin
last dirge
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Same with chain lightning. So stuff like splitting bolt has a very clear powerlevel

rapid sandal
last dirge
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The internal CD ironically is the one thing making Zeus confusing

tight basin
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i feel like the CD mainly only hurts chiron

last dirge
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Otherwise he is such a direct god

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Yeah true

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And doesnt double strike kinda bypass it

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I forget. We've had this convo before.

tight basin
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i could be wrong on this, but that could not work as you think lmao

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like

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you do get the 2nd bolt

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but it doesn't damage the same target twice

rapid sandal
last dirge
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Ah yeah

tight basin
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but if the 2nd bolt hits another enemy, it'll damage them

last dirge
#

Okay so that fits my experience

tight basin
last dirge
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Its nuts on champs

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Really high lvl double strike

tight basin
#

zeus attack also has an internal cooldown

last dirge
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Because the bolts are constantly able to alternate between targets

rapid sandal
#

do you guys know any viable tierlists for weapon aspects and boons and stuff?

tight basin
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nope because none exist lmao

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well hammers are a bit more subjective

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so are aspects

last dirge
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Yeah but basically Beo is best

tight basin
#

but boon wise, it's hella dependent

last dirge
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Yeah

rapid sandal
tight basin
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lemme bs an aspect tier list real quick actually lmao

last dirge
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Beo is a very easy, strong, defensive aspect that can be ranged

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Yeah the hidden shield

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Also has glitches that make it even stronger

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Like automatic ones

rapid sandal
last dirge
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It has ones that make it worse too

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Trippy flare has hidden pom scaling on it

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It's already the strongest cast dmg wise and scales well

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On Beo if you pom it lots its nuts

tight basin
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i spent less than a minute on this

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so take it with a large grain of salt

last dirge
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Literally all of these can be very strong though

rapid sandal
last dirge
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I play all of them basically besides the base aspects

rapid sandal
#

C for Chiron

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:'')

last dirge
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And those I still play occasionally

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Chiron is just meh

tight basin
last dirge
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Easy to use but doesnt scale well

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Doesn't build well

tight basin
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ik not everyone cares about heat and speed, but it just falls off on those extremes
and it's very boon/hammer specific

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and needs a lot

rapid sandal
last dirge
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You can just use random stuff if you're early but then you arent building the best stuff

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Yeah fair

rapid sandal
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it felt like every single bolt procced zeus lightning

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because the damage was so high

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but yeah internal cooldowns ruin everything

last dirge
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If you do want that, use hidden bow

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Its legit

tight basin
#

you know what
i'm surprised at how accurate the tier list is imo considering i spent less than a minute on it

last dirge
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Yeah its fine

tight basin
last dirge
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Gilgamesh is still my favorite even if it's the "worst"

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I've had some really fast Tiny Vermin kills with it idk

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I feel like the math might not quite add up to the reality

tight basin
#

tbh i'd switch arthur and guan yu and i think it'd be better

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i'd like to mention the tier list isn't in any specific order within the tiers

last dirge
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That's odd to say about a game but I'm unsure how else just bolts and Rama special would melt Tiny Vermin faster than literally any other run I've done.

rapid sandal
tight basin
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luci kinda based

last dirge
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Like it wasnt always with ricochet

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Because I killed it before it spawned adds

tight basin
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prob jolted

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splitting if you got it

last dirge
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True yeah

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That's still bolt dmg

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Jolted

tight basin
#

well you still get that damage

last dirge
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Yeah

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I just think that despite you getting shafted a bit, it's still very good

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Its just not as good as you want.

tight basin
#

ah true

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i mean it'll work lmao

#

it's like just bad eris

last dirge
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Idk I've never seen that boss die that fast

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Except with yeah Eris

rapid sandal
last dirge
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But that was a perfect clockets splitting bolt build

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Yes because casts are kinda OP

tight basin
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tbh i'm considering moving hera down

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i was a bit biased because speedrunner brain

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but hera is still def strong

last dirge
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Yeah Hera isnt as good as Beo

tight basin
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but cast builds are very strong

last dirge
#

Cshot beo is better than Hera by far

rapid sandal
#

Beo is the best because it's bugged?

tight basin
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beo, hera, achilles, and eris are all top tier

tight basin
last dirge
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That helps with Mirage Shot

tight basin
#

even without the mirage bug it's still hella strong

last dirge
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It's just inherently very very strong

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It even has a wider block

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But a weird angle

tight basin
#

lemme grab a screenie of a trash build

last dirge
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Even its unique hammer is pretty good. Usually they suck.

tight basin
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oh wait i had 3 jerkies lmfao

rapid sandal
#

alright i've officially decided not to fallow the meta because I hate shields

last dirge
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Maybe not with hypersprint

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Fair

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I like Beo because it's an aggressive cast build

tight basin
#

lmao 3/4 of the shields want charged shot

last dirge
#

It being a shield just comes in handy

tight basin
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technically 4/4 but zeus doesnt really need it

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zag wants it, chaos needs it, beo kinda needs/wants it

last dirge
#

Isnt it still Zeus's best hammer

tight basin
#

yes and no

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for heat it's not preferred

last dirge
#

Return?

tight basin
#

yeah

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Makes sense

tight basin
#

exploding return is actually so strong

#

unironically

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it also gets the flourish modifier on it

#

so catching it will summon down a bolt

last dirge
#

What about shield dont you like? Blocking?

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Otherwise it's basically bow lol

tight basin
#

shield without cshot has lack luster dps

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or pulv blow for that matter

last dirge
#

Fair but I think they meant design wise

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Like preferences

tight basin
#

i mean you can also hate the shield because it has bad damage lol

last dirge
#

And they clearly like bow

#

Fair

#

I'm just curious

#

Most like shield because its easy

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And cshot carries are memorable.

tight basin
#

yeah it's pretty easy but it also takes forever to kill things, and i'm speedrunner brained
they need to get one shotted lmao

rapid sandal
last dirge
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Fair yeah

rapid sandal
#

i like bows not only because they feel satisfying to use but also because bows are generally really cool and meta weapons in all the fantasy RPG games i know

last dirge
#

Yeah fair

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I like them a lot in curse of the dead gods. Its inspired a lot by Hades.

tight basin
last dirge
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Here too ofc they're the same feel

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There though there is one boss weapon bow that is just my favorite weapon

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A cursed lightning bow that summons really damaging bolts, and I think shoots homing arrows on dash strikes or something.

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

In cotdg iirc its stamina. You dont lose stamina on perfect shots.

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Which is just op

#

Because it uses a dark souls sort of stamina system where your attacks and dashes cost the same limited resource

rapid sandal
#

i need to give that game a try i've only ever heard good things about it

last dirge
#

I should play that game more tbh

#

It's just really hardcore

#

Much much steeper learning curve than Hades. I struggled despite having 500 hours in Hades.

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A lot.

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But very very fun. They just released a new game the other day.

tight basin
#

yeah ravenswatch looks really fun

last dirge
#

Doesnt look as interesting aesthetically imo (they did Aztec mythology) but I imagine the mechanics are great.

tight basin
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im just waiting for both of them to go on sale so i can buy them lmao

last dirge
#

Yeah its it's worth it

#

I'll play Ravenswatch when it comes to Switch

tight basin
last dirge
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Cotdg

tight basin
#

ah makes sense then

last dirge
#

Ravenswatch just isnt as unique

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Probably. Its brand new.

tight basin
#

i mean it is in early access

#

but it kinda looks like a demo lmao

last dirge
#

Yeah

rapid sandal
#

there's little to no content in it
it's best to wait a while before giving it a go

tight basin
#

but then again, im pretty sure hades ea also looked like a demo

last dirge
#

Yeah but cotdg has lots of content

tight basin
#

and idk the design path of RW so maybe they'll add more content in the next few weeks

last dirge
#

Based on DD2 ea, maybe every few months?

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Depends on team size.

#

You might not like cotdg then

tight basin
#

i'll figure it out at some point lmao

#

prob wait until summer sale

last dirge
#

It actually has a great story. It's just like DS in that way.Its It's basically totally dialogue free but has a massive bestiary/journal portraying the PC's descent.

#

So if you play, actually read the journal. It's great.

#

Only story you're getting directly.

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Otherwise it's very combat focused

#

But I dont think it betrays story or "npcs"

#

Hard to explain without spoiling. Again, amazing game I wish I were good at.

#

I play Hades because its easy

#

Imo

rapid sandal
#

the chats are a bit stale it's only the 3 of us active right now.
When hades 2 drops the server will get flooded with returners and new people

last dirge
#

Yeah

rapid sandal
#

anyway thanks for all the info guys imma go do a hera run now (not bye, im still here ill just talk less xD)

last dirge
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Np. Enjoy!

rapid sandal
#

@last dirgeis there a way to upgrade trinkets such as pom blossom over 3*?

rapid sandal
plain river
plain river
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I’m only a little late

rapid sandal
#

it relies mostly on Dionysus special

plain river
#

if it’s chiron it’s not broken

#

Dio special chiron is a regular chiron build

rapid sandal
#

aw man :(

plain river
#

I mean

rapid sandal
#

nah i get it

plain river
#

It’s good in terms of chiron

rapid sandal
#

nothing about my favorite weapon is poggers i get it

plain river
#

But in the grand scheme of things it isn’t broken

#

aspect*

#

bow is very good

#

chiron is just the 4th best bow aspect

rapid sandal
#

everyone i've met in the server so far seems to worship beo

plain river
#

Bugowulf is bugowulf

#

but

rapid sandal
#

xD

plain river
#

Hera is like

#

Contesting it

#

for speed

rapid sandal
#

I c

plain river
#

Rama is very good for heat

#

Zag is good in both speed and heat to an extent

#

Chiron is chiron

rapid sandal
#

if only zeus special lightning didnt have a cooldown... chiron would be able to trigger it 8 times per special when fully upgraded... 12 with hammer upgrade

plain river
#

That’s why zeus has internal cooldowns

#

For specials like chiron and demeter

rapid sandal
plain river
#

no

#

so you can’t just destroy everything with multihit specials and 1 boon

#

like

#

A common zeus flourish

#

Would multiply your special damage on chiron 4 times

#

A single boon

#

with no poms

#

At common

rapid sandal
#

that doesnt sound very broken (compared to what beo can do)

plain river
#

it is huge scaling

#

For a single common pomless boon

rapid sandal
#

it'll just make chiron and demeter good zagpls

plain river
#

demeter is already best fists anyways

#

Like

#

At least for bugowulf you still have an element of rng

#

for chiron it would literally be a single boon you can find in chamber 1 at common

rapid sandal
#

yeah i get it

#

this is a waste of time anyway, it's not like supergiant will do anymore balance changes to this game anymore, the last update was almost 2 years ago and it's all just bug fixes

#

@plain riverwhat is better? dark foresight or olympian favor?

plain river
#

Dark foresight

valid dagger
plain river
#

by a mile

rapid sandal
#

what does it do exactly? i dont get it

valid dagger
#

It increases the number of gold laurels you get

plain river
#

You find more boons/hammers/obols/hearts/poms

#

instead of the currencies

rapid sandal
#

Gods legacy or gods pride?

plain river
#

Pride

rapid sandal
#

duo boons have a very high chance to show up anyway, right?

plain river
#

The rarity on hermes and chaos boons alone makes it worth

plain river
#

but

#

pride is just better

rapid sandal
#

privileged status or family favorite?

plain river
#

FF unless you’re focusing on hangover

#

or another build that takes 2 statuses on purpise

rapid sandal
#

Hoo

plain river
#

It’s just that

#

if your build isn’t already including the statuses

#

It’s hard to guarantee the usefulness

rapid sandal
#

@plain riverhell mode makes it so that dark regeneration is better than chthonic vitality right?

plain river
#

so for hangover builds since you end up going aphrodite for low tolerance

#

no

#

Nothing makes dark regen better then cthonic

rapid sandal
#

but it only heals for 2 instead of 3

#

okay :(

plain river
rapid sandal
#

greater reflex over rutheless reflex always right?

plain river
#

👍

#

Unless you’re using gilgamesh

#

since it has the +2 built in dashes

rapid sandal
plain river
#

golden touch -> deep pockets

#

that’s it

#

Unless you’re trying to save obols for styx endshop titans blood/diamonds

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Do you have summons yet?

plain river
#

Yeah then deep pockets is going to be purely better for you

last dirge
#

Yeah

plain river
#

Having the money to use in tartarus

#

Getting an extra boon early or whatever

last dirge
#

There is a summon that also helps with having enough obols for shops in tart

plain river
#

Is just better

last dirge
#

And in general

plain river
#

And you should be using obols as you get them

last dirge
#

Also healing

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Yeah only save if you have a plan for them

#

No Bouldy then

plain river
#

Bouldy is certainly one of the companions

last dirge
#

Bouldy isnt a damage summon

#

It's for obols

plain river
#

It’s less than 200 obols total though without extra bonuses iirc

last dirge
#

Irrelevant

plain river
#

over your 5 summons

last dirge
#

It's to have enough obols for certain shops

#

Its not about amount its timing

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Excellent casual run summon

plain river
#

fair enough

last dirge
#

The summon is from helping Sisyphus

#

It just summons Bouldy + obols food and darkness

#

Clutch heals are valuable too

#

With DD

rapid sandal
#

bouldy sounds like a useful summon because i always forget to ever use the summons ever xD

plain river
#

Yeah

#

He’s literally just free resources

last dirge
#

Yeah with Bouldy you use him once or twice early for the first midshop

plain river
#

So you can just spam him our early in tart

last dirge
#

Depends but always helpful

plain river
#

Get all the obols

#

Use them

#

And not have to worry about forgetting him for damage

#

Since you’ve used him to buy damage

last dirge
#

Also, extra summons are basically free combat healing

#

From the well

#

Since the obols even out

#

And some okay damage

#

Its mainly that it's a tiny area

#

And has bad aim

rapid sandal
#

i like that

last dirge
#

Auto aim

rapid sandal
#

i like that a lot xD

last dirge
#

Yeah its convenient for casual runs

rapid sandal
#

i like the idea of boulds being just an extra resources

#

you can abuse it for infinite resources no?

last dirge
#

Its 1000 dmg

#

No summons are limited

#

5 per run but you can sometimes buy more from wells

#

Well 5 max

#

The more ambrosia the more uses

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Oh. Yes.

rapid sandal
#

start another run, summon bouldy 5 times again etc...

last dirge
#

But that's very slow

plain river
#

It’s not worth it

#

Compared to just darkness farming

last dirge
#

I've gotten like 900 darkness from Hades

plain river
#

you can use them in tandem

last dirge
#

You get like 25

plain river
last dirge
#

Yeah it's a little extra

rapid sandal
#

is darkness worth anything at the exchange shop?

last dirge
#

Boons effect the resources too

plain river
#

no

last dirge
#

It has some flavor uses

plain river
#

Darkness is worth for resource director though

last dirge
#

Like ranks and UIs

plain river
#

But it seems like you don’t need any of that

last dirge
#

Resource director isnt really worth it

#

It's just a sink

plain river
#

Since you already have all the resources

last dirge
#

An extra game when you have no use for the resources

#

Literally you just get a little insignia thing below your health bar

plain river
#

Like

last dirge
#

But it's a huge sink

plain river
#

The amount of darkness in the photo is enough to pay for everything in the game

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

Like dozens of ranks

plain river
last dirge
#

Yeah that's a lot

#

Then again who cares

#

More freedom in a maxed save

#

If you want to replay then sure

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

I hate how slow resource exchange is

#

Do funny builds

rapid sandal
#

no goal to aim for outside of higher punishment difficulties

plain river
last dirge
#

Funny builds

plain river
#

and

#

Aim for faster

last dirge
#

Do a few Curse of Drowning or Cold Embrace runs

plain river
#

like

#

My goal for a while

#

Was just getting my 1 sub10 run

rapid sandal
#

aight

#

my goal is to make Chiron seem hyper meta OP

#

maybe even invent a build for it that makes it hypermeta OP (impossible i know but let me dream)

plain river
#

Good luck

#

Look for inspiration on reddit

#

They try

#

(Don’t use Hades reddit I’m joking)

rapid sandal
#

there's gotta be something broken about it, everything about the homing special just screams im OP

plain river
#

And

#

It hasn’t worked out

last dirge
#

Yeah. It just doesnt build well

#

At best you can do like Low Tolerance

rapid sandal
plain river
#

Yeah no

last dirge
#

Nah bow special is just low dmg and it cant get the hammers that would fix that, logically.

plain river
#

It’s just math

#

and

rapid sandal
last dirge
#

It can get better with the perfect hammers but thats rare

plain river
#

The 1 thing that can be broken about it relies on you getting concentrated volley and purple swift flourish

#

Which is kind of too rng reliant to be broken like beo

last dirge
#

Yeah

plain river
last dirge
#

That makes the consecutive stacking go on inbetween specials right?

rapid sandal
#

what are the best boons for rama

#

?

last dirge
#

Zeus special Aphro attack

plain river
last dirge
#

Probably aim for smouldering air

plain river
last dirge
#

Ideally hunter's dash but tidal dash is okay

#

Doom gets shared?

#

If so...

plain river
#

But the bolts ricochet around

rapid sandal
#

isnt athena special really good on all bows? because it cleans the entire screan from all projectiles

last dirge
#

I know

plain river
#

And the rama bolt is huge